Wednesday, August 05, 2015
La Sombra del Pasado #120 (Mx 123) - Tue 8/4 - Red dress blues
And a little bit of recapper blues! I think your team is running ragged, but we are nothing if not dedicated. Here's a quick and dirty rundown of last night, condensed for space…
Pru is frantically searching for the cell phone, which Juana obligingly hands over. Thanks, Juana
Silvia is still recovering, and very well, and she's allowed to go home. Renato gets an eye- and ear-full of her giddily hugging Tomas, kissing him, and telling him that YES, she wants him to stay with her night and day, forever and ever. She also makes him promise not to go after Pru.
Sev comes to El Santuario to tell Aldonza what happened "that night"--that it was Roberta who shot Raymundo. Adelina's tired of Sev's BS and wants to go to the cops, but he says she'll be throwing the rope around her own neck and sullying her sister's memory. Aldonza finally hears the rest of the rest of the story--Ray knew Roberta was cheating, he went to the barn with his machete, he hacked at Sev, Roberta shot him with Sev's gun. Adelina blamed herself for inadvertently telling Ray where Roberta was. And really, now, that's the whole story. For real this time, not like the last fifty times.
Glum-faced Mari visits Lola at the store to tell her she saw Lola with that guy, and don't play around with Pato like that. He doesn't deserve it. Whatever, Mari, I still don't trust you.
Em and Cris talk. Em's being eaten up by jealousy, thinking of how Cris grew up, compared to him. And also, he got Val, even though Em was in love with her. Cris feels bad, but he doesn't think it's his fault. Em wants OUT of this town. He has Don Ant and Vero. Cris tells him to get over his anger or it will follow him around forever. Also everybody here loves him. Em reminds him two of the people who "love" him (Lola and Mari) were the ones whose actions contributed to him leaving in the first place.
General rant about Em: he's entitled to his feelings, whatever they are. People need to quit telling him, implicitly or explicitly, that he has to get over it. It's slowing up the process. When he's done feeling the feels, he'll feel his way right on out of them. Just because it's uncomfortable NOW for the people who have been quite comfortable for YEARS they want him to cut it out. Well, people, Em has been the kicked puppy of this show since birth. You might want to give him more than a couple of days to process.
Sev knows Humberto is signing over El Santuario. Valeria is pissed. So is Sev--and Val had better get Humberto to sign it over to her. Or else, he's spilling the beans about Babylardo.
Humberto asked Renato to keep quiet about the transfer and hurry up the process. It takes a month to get the paperwork ready, and then Aldonza and Emmanuel have to sign. But Humberto can also will the property to them, in case he dies.
Adelina goes to the church to cry to Padre J that Aldonza knows all.
Valeria goes to yell at Humberto, because that's always so effective. He says their deal is off. He'll make sure her child is taken care of, and she'll get the house in town one way or the other.
Padre J finds Aldonza by the waterfall. He tells her Roberta wasn't a monster, just a woman who made mistakes and paid dearly. She loved Aldonza. Yes, he's angry at her for killing his brother, but they need to forgive. He champions Adelina. Would Aldonza have turned a sister of hers over to the police? He says Adelina is strong because living like this for years didn't drive her crazy. She spent her life taking care of Aldonza instead.
Back in the church, Adelina is still self-flagellating, but Aldonza forgives her. She wants to leave it behind and move forward, but Adelina is tired of lies and pain and can't go on. Aldonza sends her home to rest.
Pru and Cande. Shut up Pru, Em's getting nothing. And get Val to get that damn ultrasound already! Cande needs a due date.
Aldonza goes to the Ministerio Publico to tell him to call off the investigation into the bullets. It's old news. Too late. He already requested the test.
Don Camilo leaves Adelina alone in the house while he goes to make his rounds and pick up some supplies. Before he goes, Adelina is waxing rhapsodic about death.
Mini PSA: the way Adelina's talking is a red flag. It's not overreacting to just ask someone what's going on, and if they are thinking of suicide, asking isn't going to push them to do it. But don't just take my word for it.
Cris is hurt by Em's resentment and anger. Dude, it's not about you! Mel reminds him Em is noble and his nobility will win out.
Adelina writes what sounds suspiciously like a suicide letter, apologizing to Aldonza for all the harm her secrets and lies caused. She can't forgive herself. She claims she couldn't fully love Aldonza because you can't love someone when you're lying to them. She's sorry her silence screwed up Aldonza and Emmanuel's lives. Her life would have had no meaning without Aldonza. A shadow falls over the page and as she turns, Sev plunges a needle into her neck and injects her with something presumably fatal. "The truth can't come to light!" He watches her gasp and choke in his usual disgusting Sev-like manner. He plants a bottle and some spilled pills on the nightstand, marvels at his luck with the letter, and picks up the knocked-over chair before leaving.
Em says goodbye to Padre J. He's off to Querétaro with Vero and Don Ant. Well, damn, Padre J was feeling better about leaving, thinking that Em would be around after he left Santa Lucia. No pressure or anything, and Em's got his blessing if he leaves. Em asks him to say goodbye to Lola and tell her to take care of Solitario for him. Em leaves Padre J's at least.
Cris and Aldonza meet for coffee to talk about Em. They don't want to let him leave, but they can't keep him from leaving. And they're both convinced if he leaves, he'll never come back. Aldonza gets a bad feeling.
Which corresponds with Adelina having a momentary return to consciousness(?), briefly gasping for air, and finally dying. For real this time. Aldonza, Cris, and Don Camilo all get home at the same time. Aldonza runs upstairs and finds Adelina. Don Camilo, bless him, grabs the phone. Cris tries looking for a pulse and listening for breathing, and when he sees the pills, he tells Aldonza it's too late.
Pru is frantically searching for the cell phone, which Juana obligingly hands over. Thanks, Juana
Silvia is still recovering, and very well, and she's allowed to go home. Renato gets an eye- and ear-full of her giddily hugging Tomas, kissing him, and telling him that YES, she wants him to stay with her night and day, forever and ever. She also makes him promise not to go after Pru.
Sev comes to El Santuario to tell Aldonza what happened "that night"--that it was Roberta who shot Raymundo. Adelina's tired of Sev's BS and wants to go to the cops, but he says she'll be throwing the rope around her own neck and sullying her sister's memory. Aldonza finally hears the rest of the rest of the story--Ray knew Roberta was cheating, he went to the barn with his machete, he hacked at Sev, Roberta shot him with Sev's gun. Adelina blamed herself for inadvertently telling Ray where Roberta was. And really, now, that's the whole story. For real this time, not like the last fifty times.
Glum-faced Mari visits Lola at the store to tell her she saw Lola with that guy, and don't play around with Pato like that. He doesn't deserve it. Whatever, Mari, I still don't trust you.
Em and Cris talk. Em's being eaten up by jealousy, thinking of how Cris grew up, compared to him. And also, he got Val, even though Em was in love with her. Cris feels bad, but he doesn't think it's his fault. Em wants OUT of this town. He has Don Ant and Vero. Cris tells him to get over his anger or it will follow him around forever. Also everybody here loves him. Em reminds him two of the people who "love" him (Lola and Mari) were the ones whose actions contributed to him leaving in the first place.
General rant about Em: he's entitled to his feelings, whatever they are. People need to quit telling him, implicitly or explicitly, that he has to get over it. It's slowing up the process. When he's done feeling the feels, he'll feel his way right on out of them. Just because it's uncomfortable NOW for the people who have been quite comfortable for YEARS they want him to cut it out. Well, people, Em has been the kicked puppy of this show since birth. You might want to give him more than a couple of days to process.
Sev knows Humberto is signing over El Santuario. Valeria is pissed. So is Sev--and Val had better get Humberto to sign it over to her. Or else, he's spilling the beans about Babylardo.
Humberto asked Renato to keep quiet about the transfer and hurry up the process. It takes a month to get the paperwork ready, and then Aldonza and Emmanuel have to sign. But Humberto can also will the property to them, in case he dies.
Adelina goes to the church to cry to Padre J that Aldonza knows all.
Valeria goes to yell at Humberto, because that's always so effective. He says their deal is off. He'll make sure her child is taken care of, and she'll get the house in town one way or the other.
Padre J finds Aldonza by the waterfall. He tells her Roberta wasn't a monster, just a woman who made mistakes and paid dearly. She loved Aldonza. Yes, he's angry at her for killing his brother, but they need to forgive. He champions Adelina. Would Aldonza have turned a sister of hers over to the police? He says Adelina is strong because living like this for years didn't drive her crazy. She spent her life taking care of Aldonza instead.
Back in the church, Adelina is still self-flagellating, but Aldonza forgives her. She wants to leave it behind and move forward, but Adelina is tired of lies and pain and can't go on. Aldonza sends her home to rest.
Pru and Cande. Shut up Pru, Em's getting nothing. And get Val to get that damn ultrasound already! Cande needs a due date.
Aldonza goes to the Ministerio Publico to tell him to call off the investigation into the bullets. It's old news. Too late. He already requested the test.
Don Camilo leaves Adelina alone in the house while he goes to make his rounds and pick up some supplies. Before he goes, Adelina is waxing rhapsodic about death.
Mini PSA: the way Adelina's talking is a red flag. It's not overreacting to just ask someone what's going on, and if they are thinking of suicide, asking isn't going to push them to do it. But don't just take my word for it.
Cris is hurt by Em's resentment and anger. Dude, it's not about you! Mel reminds him Em is noble and his nobility will win out.
Adelina writes what sounds suspiciously like a suicide letter, apologizing to Aldonza for all the harm her secrets and lies caused. She can't forgive herself. She claims she couldn't fully love Aldonza because you can't love someone when you're lying to them. She's sorry her silence screwed up Aldonza and Emmanuel's lives. Her life would have had no meaning without Aldonza. A shadow falls over the page and as she turns, Sev plunges a needle into her neck and injects her with something presumably fatal. "The truth can't come to light!" He watches her gasp and choke in his usual disgusting Sev-like manner. He plants a bottle and some spilled pills on the nightstand, marvels at his luck with the letter, and picks up the knocked-over chair before leaving.
Em says goodbye to Padre J. He's off to Querétaro with Vero and Don Ant. Well, damn, Padre J was feeling better about leaving, thinking that Em would be around after he left Santa Lucia. No pressure or anything, and Em's got his blessing if he leaves. Em asks him to say goodbye to Lola and tell her to take care of Solitario for him. Em leaves Padre J's at least.
Cris and Aldonza meet for coffee to talk about Em. They don't want to let him leave, but they can't keep him from leaving. And they're both convinced if he leaves, he'll never come back. Aldonza gets a bad feeling.
Which corresponds with Adelina having a momentary return to consciousness(?), briefly gasping for air, and finally dying. For real this time. Aldonza, Cris, and Don Camilo all get home at the same time. Aldonza runs upstairs and finds Adelina. Don Camilo, bless him, grabs the phone. Cris tries looking for a pulse and listening for breathing, and when he sees the pills, he tells Aldonza it's too late.
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Just to clarify--I did NOT see anything on the nightstand either while Adelina was writing her letter, or dying the first time. It would appear Sev brought the pills with him. Neither can I confirm that Adelina DID plan to commit suicide or see any evidence of how she planned to do it, though the letter points in that direction. And she was alone while writing the letter, she definitely wasn't pressured/threatened into doing it by Sev. He apparently entered as she was finishing up, through the conveniently open bedroom door. And as for the glove, I'm guessing he pulled that on with his teeth. I have no explanation for how he got the liquid into the syringe or how he obtained it or what it was. Something for the horses, maybe? And he got one of the ranch hands to fill it for him?
Thank you Kat and no apologies needed, you guys suck it up and help us out everyday and for that I'm grateful. Liking you is a major win.
Oh, agree with your rant about Emanuel
Simply not liking Adelina doesn't mean she had to die. What, Severiano gets to run through town with a scythe?
Nope Cris, Emanuel did forget all about Dysfunction Junction when he was on the circuit and will again
Oh, agree with your rant about Emanuel
Simply not liking Adelina doesn't mean she had to die. What, Severiano gets to run through town with a scythe?
Nope Cris, Emanuel did forget all about Dysfunction Junction when he was on the circuit and will again
Thanks so much, Kat! We all knew that the sexy red dress spelled doom for Tia Adelina. Since most here were mad at her, and dreading that she would get a happy ending with Joaquin, well there you go. Not what the writers had in mind at all.
Poor Aldonza gets to find yet another of her mothers as she's dying, supposedly from suicide-- just like she found Rob bleeding out in the bathtub. This is just horrible! And now her only living relatives, her uncle and brother, are leaving town. Girl can't catch a break.
Poor Aldonza gets to find yet another of her mothers as she's dying, supposedly from suicide-- just like she found Rob bleeding out in the bathtub. This is just horrible! And now her only living relatives, her uncle and brother, are leaving town. Girl can't catch a break.
Gracias, tofie! And gracias on behalf of the team.
Good thing the MP already went ahead with the bullet testing. Might as well nail Sev for SOMETHING.
That's true, I don't know if Em would have come back home at all if he hadn't been arrested. I mean, why bother? There was nothing for him there.
Good thing the MP already went ahead with the bullet testing. Might as well nail Sev for SOMETHING.
That's true, I don't know if Em would have come back home at all if he hadn't been arrested. I mean, why bother? There was nothing for him there.
Gracias, Vivi! Mr. 5ft's comment was "So, she put on the red dress just to die in it?!" Can't say I'm happy with this ending for her. It would have sucked if she committed suicide, it sucks to have her murdered. And yes, it sucks for Aldonza. There's just nothing good about any part of this situation. It's leaving me very disgruntled.
I think sometimes the writers overlook that having to live with what you've done is a terrible enough punishment for some characters. It's just not very dramatic. And with so many on this show in the "grey" area...they can't just kill off everyone! Well, I guess empirically, they can if they want to, but...if death at Sev's hands is Adelina's "punishment" then there had better be something truly spectacular waiting for him!
What do you think, was Adelina's death a punishment for her crimes? Was she just another victim of Sev's? A little of both?
What do you think, was Adelina's death a punishment for her crimes? Was she just another victim of Sev's? A little of both?
WOW .......I didn't see Adelina's death coming. That snapped me out of the tedium of another of Aldonza's snits. THANK YOU Diva!!!
Unforunately, I don't see EM "getting over it". If I relate a very personal experience, the woman who gave birth to my father ( I refuse to acknowledge her as either a mother or grandmother) was a 15 year old, unmarried girl. Her parents took both her and my father in after he was born. When he was 8 years old she married. My dad was so excited to have his very own father. When she left she told him he was "an ugly SOB, he looked just like his father, and she didn't want any thing to do with him". He was left with his grand parents.
He drank heavily, never was able to function as an adult. When he got drunk, he could cry and call out for "my little mommy". He NEVER "got over it". A badly damaged human. I simpathize with EM on a very personal level.
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Unforunately, I don't see EM "getting over it". If I relate a very personal experience, the woman who gave birth to my father ( I refuse to acknowledge her as either a mother or grandmother) was a 15 year old, unmarried girl. Her parents took both her and my father in after he was born. When he was 8 years old she married. My dad was so excited to have his very own father. When she left she told him he was "an ugly SOB, he looked just like his father, and she didn't want any thing to do with him". He was left with his grand parents.
He drank heavily, never was able to function as an adult. When he got drunk, he could cry and call out for "my little mommy". He NEVER "got over it". A badly damaged human. I simpathize with EM on a very personal level.
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: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:06:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:06:00 PM EDT
I'm already at the point nothing that happens to Severiano will satisfy my blood lust. He can die but once and the people he attacks have made it easy on him. Like, Adelina was all ready and all he had to do is pop her in the microwave.
Thanks, Emeraldrose! And thanks for the perspective. Some things mark one for life, especially when they happen early on. We can no more tell someone to "get over it" than we can tell someone who doesn't feel hurt to start feeling hurt. It doesn't work that way.
Tofie, right? And now that you mention it, it's almost as if Adelina DID die twice! I don't know what that was with the seeming to die and then reviving spontaneously and then dying again. Forget revenge, I just want Sev stopped.
Hey, maybe that's their brilliant plan...just get me to hate Sev so much, I'll be happy with whatever else they do as long as he's off my screen for good!
Hey, maybe that's their brilliant plan...just get me to hate Sev so much, I'll be happy with whatever else they do as long as he's off my screen for good!
Great job 5Ft, I never saw Adelina's demise coming. What a shock.
How can someone just call off an investigation? That would never happen in the US. If the police thought there was sufficient evidence to start one, they would never end one because someone asked them to stop.
I've always thought that Emmanuel should leave this sick and twisted town and go back with Don Antonio and Veronica.
How can someone just call off an investigation? That would never happen in the US. If the police thought there was sufficient evidence to start one, they would never end one because someone asked them to stop.
I've always thought that Emmanuel should leave this sick and twisted town and go back with Don Antonio and Veronica.
Other than Abelardo's feeble attempt to defend himself and Ray's attack, when Severiano decides to strike no one puts up a fight. Like they are all pet rabbits in a cage but are raised for the table. Gosh.
Gracias, cathyx! I don't know if he's even doing an investigation yet, or if he was just going to run the test and see if there was anything to start an investigation with. Seems like a waste of resources, but between being tired of getting accused of letting Sev get away with everything and Sev behaving suspiciously, maybe he wants to know for himself and not just on Aldonza's behalf.
Yeah, Em needs some time with people he doesn't have all that shared history and baggage with. I'm just sad he's leaving Solitario behind.
Yeah, Em needs some time with people he doesn't have all that shared history and baggage with. I'm just sad he's leaving Solitario behind.
tofie, it's Sev's world, and they're just living in it. That's all starting to break down, but just barely, and not very quickly.
What's our countdown? 14 episodes to go?
What's our countdown? 14 episodes to go?
I'm guessing that Sev's ultimate undoing will be the surfacing of the coffee table casket. There is no way he can worm out of being involved in that one.
LaDiva, thanks, your recapping was good, this episode was just a bit depressing.
I didn't see this coming. I know she lied about some things kept secrets, but she didn't deserve this at the hand of this demon.
And I do mean demon, I watched his face while he sat on the bed, and any humanity was gone, just pure evil black darkness, like it was when he strangled simonetta.
Theres only one ending for this person, death. And he'll deserve every excruciating painful bit of it. I guess yall know by now I can't stand this creature.
ITA, THEY need to let Em's pain run it's course and stop telling him to get over it, his life was trashed not theirs. Its like they expect him to be all happy about truth being
Out. Truth is good, but in this case its painful.
They need to let him deal with it, and be there for him when hes done with it. All the crap from the pass has fallen on these children. People have no idea the bad decisions they make have bad consequences in the future.
Ok, thats my spin on stuff.
I didn't see this coming. I know she lied about some things kept secrets, but she didn't deserve this at the hand of this demon.
And I do mean demon, I watched his face while he sat on the bed, and any humanity was gone, just pure evil black darkness, like it was when he strangled simonetta.
Theres only one ending for this person, death. And he'll deserve every excruciating painful bit of it. I guess yall know by now I can't stand this creature.
ITA, THEY need to let Em's pain run it's course and stop telling him to get over it, his life was trashed not theirs. Its like they expect him to be all happy about truth being
Out. Truth is good, but in this case its painful.
They need to let him deal with it, and be there for him when hes done with it. All the crap from the pass has fallen on these children. People have no idea the bad decisions they make have bad consequences in the future.
Ok, thats my spin on stuff.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:29:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:29:00 PM EDT
Ah, Kat you took one for the team last night. That was just...whatever. Thank you so much!!
Now, I'll say this, please don't beat me up, but I was absolutely unemotional over the whole Ade writing the "please forgive me note" (which I agree SOUNDED like a suicide note) and her subsequent demise. The Red Dress to me yesterday was like a shining beacon stating she was about to go the way of her fellow red dress wearers. Maybe seeing that just set me up so well, I wasn't shocked. But the fact the woman has unnerved me no matter how they tried to paint her didn't help.
I could hug you for the E-man rant. Honestly, this whole stupid story is based on people who couldn't get over whatever it is that is bugging them...but oh no, E-man just needs to park it and move on like two days after getting hit upside the head by a two-by-four of news. Mainly because it will make them all feel better for themselves and they don't like to have a gloomy gus around when they need to be focusing on their own "can't give it up" problems. I wish he would just move on with Vero and Don A, but doubt that will be the resolution. At this point, as tired as I am of all this land feud stuff, it would give me giggles to have E-man take both ES and Cande's place as rightful heritance, and tell his siblings to go get jobs and earn a real living.
Looking at Val last night, can we calculate exactly how much time has passed because that girl sure isn't showing yet. Has this all been like in 3-4 months? Lord...
Are they really going to make Ren out man out? 'Cus Silvia and Tomas are growing on me. But I kinda want Ren to get a happy ending for all he's endured too.
Daisynjay
Now, I'll say this, please don't beat me up, but I was absolutely unemotional over the whole Ade writing the "please forgive me note" (which I agree SOUNDED like a suicide note) and her subsequent demise. The Red Dress to me yesterday was like a shining beacon stating she was about to go the way of her fellow red dress wearers. Maybe seeing that just set me up so well, I wasn't shocked. But the fact the woman has unnerved me no matter how they tried to paint her didn't help.
I could hug you for the E-man rant. Honestly, this whole stupid story is based on people who couldn't get over whatever it is that is bugging them...but oh no, E-man just needs to park it and move on like two days after getting hit upside the head by a two-by-four of news. Mainly because it will make them all feel better for themselves and they don't like to have a gloomy gus around when they need to be focusing on their own "can't give it up" problems. I wish he would just move on with Vero and Don A, but doubt that will be the resolution. At this point, as tired as I am of all this land feud stuff, it would give me giggles to have E-man take both ES and Cande's place as rightful heritance, and tell his siblings to go get jobs and earn a real living.
Looking at Val last night, can we calculate exactly how much time has passed because that girl sure isn't showing yet. Has this all been like in 3-4 months? Lord...
Are they really going to make Ren out man out? 'Cus Silvia and Tomas are growing on me. But I kinda want Ren to get a happy ending for all he's endured too.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:36:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:36:00 PM EDT
DnJ I'm with you on the note penned by Adelina. Nothing, felt nothing and while Adelina didn't need to die I also didn't scream, no. I also think it would be fitting for Emanuel to have both places and his half brother and sister earn their keep for once. "And the youngest of the family is moving with authority" Ian Anderson from Thick as a brick
Thank you, Diva! Sorry for the hit and run comment, be back later to read others!
I'm sure many of my friends are saying they knew something was up with the red dress. We were right. Red for women who fall victim to Sev the Dev, unfortunately it was fatally for Adelina. Of course they won't do an autopsy or they would find there are none of what ever is in those pills in her system. UNLESS that is what Sev injected into her along with some potassium chloride to kill her heart, which will NOT show up in the pathology report. Frickin' dog sh*t-miserable bastard, that Sev. Oh, let's just leave him as a head and torso inflicted with phantom pain from all four limbs and let him exist like that for another 40 years.
Diva, thank you for that so very thoughtful gesture of the link to the article! That is touching, smart and classy! You rule, Girl!
Back later!
Lila
I'm sure many of my friends are saying they knew something was up with the red dress. We were right. Red for women who fall victim to Sev the Dev, unfortunately it was fatally for Adelina. Of course they won't do an autopsy or they would find there are none of what ever is in those pills in her system. UNLESS that is what Sev injected into her along with some potassium chloride to kill her heart, which will NOT show up in the pathology report. Frickin' dog sh*t-miserable bastard, that Sev. Oh, let's just leave him as a head and torso inflicted with phantom pain from all four limbs and let him exist like that for another 40 years.
Diva, thank you for that so very thoughtful gesture of the link to the article! That is touching, smart and classy! You rule, Girl!
Back later!
Lila
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:58:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:58:00 PM EDT
Love the title Diva. "Red Dress Blues" Would make a wonderful song, and you're the gal who can sweetly sing it as well.
I've never cared for Adelina but felt an immense sorrow seeing her die that way. All that loveliness and caring gone to waste was my reaction. There was still so much potential life for her, once she got over her discouragement and cansancio. Those are feelings. And feelings pass. And often change for the better.
But not always. EmeraldRose, thank you for sharing a very personal and poignant story. Hard to understand how anyone could choose to wound a child that way...one's own or any child.
And I agree, Diva, forgiveness is also very personal and there's no timetable. I remember reading once that marital counselors said people get over their spouses's infidelity "in 6 months". My reaction? that counselor never had an unfaithful spouse.
And thanks, not just for the recap but for the link to that helpful information on potential suicides. Something we all need to know, but hopefully will never have to use.
Not much joy in this at the moment. Was even disconcerted at the casual unemotional way Aldonza answered Cristobal's phone call...totally neutral and then that "Qué?" on what he was calling about. These two are supposed to be in love? Sounded more like she was talking to a telemarketer.
Color me Glum right now! But very grateful for the recap and discussion board. Thanks again.
I've never cared for Adelina but felt an immense sorrow seeing her die that way. All that loveliness and caring gone to waste was my reaction. There was still so much potential life for her, once she got over her discouragement and cansancio. Those are feelings. And feelings pass. And often change for the better.
But not always. EmeraldRose, thank you for sharing a very personal and poignant story. Hard to understand how anyone could choose to wound a child that way...one's own or any child.
And I agree, Diva, forgiveness is also very personal and there's no timetable. I remember reading once that marital counselors said people get over their spouses's infidelity "in 6 months". My reaction? that counselor never had an unfaithful spouse.
And thanks, not just for the recap but for the link to that helpful information on potential suicides. Something we all need to know, but hopefully will never have to use.
Not much joy in this at the moment. Was even disconcerted at the casual unemotional way Aldonza answered Cristobal's phone call...totally neutral and then that "Qué?" on what he was calling about. These two are supposed to be in love? Sounded more like she was talking to a telemarketer.
Color me Glum right now! But very grateful for the recap and discussion board. Thanks again.
" Frickin' dog sh*t-miserable bastard, that Sev. "
delightful Lila. Don't hold back!!
I'm at the point that with everything this classic villian has done, his demise more then likely will be a let-down. We all want the biggest anvil and having him somehow bumped off, or someone kills him, or whatever just won't seem to be enough. Now, if we could get a look-see at the little corner of a certain Dante's Inferno piece of real estate he'll be inhabiting and how he has to endure there for all eternity, we might be satisfied.
I guess what I don't see on killing off Ade is what Sev gains by it. Everything is out: his affair with Roberta, Ray being killed by Roberta and how that night went down, E-man's true parentage. What's he going to do, starting killing everyone who knows anything? That's a heapin' bunch of people by now, including his own son (well the one he cares about). I think the man is losing it. Or maybe it's "If I go down, you all go with me"?
Daisynjay
delightful Lila. Don't hold back!!
I'm at the point that with everything this classic villian has done, his demise more then likely will be a let-down. We all want the biggest anvil and having him somehow bumped off, or someone kills him, or whatever just won't seem to be enough. Now, if we could get a look-see at the little corner of a certain Dante's Inferno piece of real estate he'll be inhabiting and how he has to endure there for all eternity, we might be satisfied.
I guess what I don't see on killing off Ade is what Sev gains by it. Everything is out: his affair with Roberta, Ray being killed by Roberta and how that night went down, E-man's true parentage. What's he going to do, starting killing everyone who knows anything? That's a heapin' bunch of people by now, including his own son (well the one he cares about). I think the man is losing it. Or maybe it's "If I go down, you all go with me"?
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 1:11:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 1:11:00 PM EDT
Much talk about Eman getting the space he needs to get through his feelings without people asking him to snap out of it. But twice now Aldonza has been hit over the head with startling revelations about major stuff Adelina was hiding from her, and Padre J immediately asks he to get over it ans forgive Adelina-- and she did.
Daisynjay- Aldonza might now know from Adelina what happened that night, but she wasn't there and was a baby. Aldonza can't go to the police and give a firsthand account. Adelina could.
Diva – Thank you for the recap!!! And the link to the Suicide page at Mayo’s site.
Wow. I figured Adelina was toast because she had on a red dress. But I never would have guessed that Sev would be the one to take her out. I never thought she deserved to die; just go to a convent. And we just know they will not do an autopsy. In fact, I would be surprised if they did.
That syringe looked horse-size, and Sev probably got it from his stables. Not quite as fashionable as Victor’s InjectoDeath 3000 in Reina de Corazones, but Sev used what was handy. And cheap.
Sev is 150% sociopath. No conscience whatsoever.
Emeraldrose – I hurt for what your father suffered and, consequently, you suffered. The amount of pain humans can inflict on others is just mind-boggling. (((Hugs)))
Even though I totally agree with the comments here re: Emanuel, for his sake, I hope he leaves town and never ever looks back. I also hope HE gets some counseling or therapy for this big shockeroo, after all he has suffered, all his life.
The scene with Pru & Cande was interesting by way of the mirror-angle camera shot. In the mirror, Cande looked like a queen sitting at her red throne.
When Ade & Aldo were talking, in their house, behind them I saw a print of Van Gogh’s “Starry Night over the Rhone”. Creeped me out, as does all Van Gogh’s work, because it expresses his own personal mental health problems he suffered. The art on the walls in telenovelas always says something about the character it surrounds. Los Alcocer definitely have their own mountain of mental health issues.
Has Ms. Fatal Attraction (Pru) ever worn a red dress? We can only hope!
Wow. I figured Adelina was toast because she had on a red dress. But I never would have guessed that Sev would be the one to take her out. I never thought she deserved to die; just go to a convent. And we just know they will not do an autopsy. In fact, I would be surprised if they did.
That syringe looked horse-size, and Sev probably got it from his stables. Not quite as fashionable as Victor’s InjectoDeath 3000 in Reina de Corazones, but Sev used what was handy. And cheap.
Sev is 150% sociopath. No conscience whatsoever.
Emeraldrose – I hurt for what your father suffered and, consequently, you suffered. The amount of pain humans can inflict on others is just mind-boggling. (((Hugs)))
Even though I totally agree with the comments here re: Emanuel, for his sake, I hope he leaves town and never ever looks back. I also hope HE gets some counseling or therapy for this big shockeroo, after all he has suffered, all his life.
The scene with Pru & Cande was interesting by way of the mirror-angle camera shot. In the mirror, Cande looked like a queen sitting at her red throne.
When Ade & Aldo were talking, in their house, behind them I saw a print of Van Gogh’s “Starry Night over the Rhone”. Creeped me out, as does all Van Gogh’s work, because it expresses his own personal mental health problems he suffered. The art on the walls in telenovelas always says something about the character it surrounds. Los Alcocer definitely have their own mountain of mental health issues.
Has Ms. Fatal Attraction (Pru) ever worn a red dress? We can only hope!
I would suspect Hum would be the other person on his list since he was witness and accomplice to Sixto's murder and Eman's kidnapping. Only problem is he has to ensure he can get his hands on Santuario before he kills Hum. Now that Hum is turning over El Santuario to Al and Em, he has no more reasons to keep Hum alive.
Glad that Em will have half of El Santuario, but don't see why he would have any part of Las Animas. That's Cande's land, not Sever's. He would only get a part of it is Cris generously decided to give him a part of it.
Glad that Em will have half of El Santuario, but don't see why he would have any part of Las Animas. That's Cande's land, not Sever's. He would only get a part of it is Cris generously decided to give him a part of it.
Tofie- ITA. He totally would have killed her a long time ago if it meant her land would go to him. Her will must indicate that everything goes to Cris.
thanks so much, Kat.
Yikes, company arrived just as Sev was being the bearer of bad news.
What was up with Ade's new look...the tight, lowcut red dress ..with the orthpedic shoes? I guess ADe was our token tragic figure???..her own worst enemy. Does her death mean that Hum is not going to get killed by Sev ? I hope that he told Sev about his will Bering changed .
Yikes, company arrived just as Sev was being the bearer of bad news.
What was up with Ade's new look...the tight, lowcut red dress ..with the orthpedic shoes? I guess ADe was our token tragic figure???..her own worst enemy. Does her death mean that Hum is not going to get killed by Sev ? I hope that he told Sev about his will Bering changed .
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 1:37:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 1:37:00 PM EDT
I figure Hum is dead meat, now that Sev knows he is going to do something with ES.
Sev does not know (yet) that Hum wants to change his will, only title of ES. Hopeful that Sev will not find out, either, about the change of will. I would love to see Pru left penniless and having to (gasp!) get a job.
Sev does not know (yet) that Hum wants to change his will, only title of ES. Hopeful that Sev will not find out, either, about the change of will. I would love to see Pru left penniless and having to (gasp!) get a job.
Emeraldrose..That is such a sad story about your dad. I always felt sad for my dad, but his case was not as bad as your dad's. His parents divorced when he was only one, and he went to live with his maternal grandmother who had remarried . She then had teo boys , and she never treated my dad well. My dad never had a good relationship with his real dad or step dad even though his real dad reached out to him.Despite that, he was a very good Dad, and my sister and I adored him. Sometimes life is stranger than fiction.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 1:48:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 1:48:00 PM EDT
"I'm guessing that Sev's ultimate undoing will be the surfacing of the coffee table casket. There is no way he can worm out of being involved in that one."
When Aldonza and PadJer were talking near the water, I was so hoping that thing would pop up and be found! These writers know how to tease us.
When Aldonza and PadJer were talking near the water, I was so hoping that thing would pop up and be found! These writers know how to tease us.
Reminder: no avances talk. Don't be like that person in the movie theater who has already seen the movie and keeps elbowing their neighbor in the ribs saying "watch this!" We'll get to it when we get to it.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Thank you LaDiva, my bad, everybody needs to be reminded every now and again. My apologies to all. :-)
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 2:44:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 2:44:00 PM EDT
Thanks so much for your recap, Diva! I assumed that the pills were put there by Adelina for her to use to commit suicide once she was done with her letter and it was just Sev's luck that she basically set up her own suicide scene to cover his murder. ...but maybe he brought the pills as a cover? I don't know. What I do know, however, is that Humberto is no longer under Sev's thumb so I am hoping that this doctor of all trades can insist on examining the body or doing an autopsy or something which will of course uncover that she didn't die from an overdose of pills and maybe he'll even find the needle mark in her neck? Who knows.
Wow! What an episode. If you had told me 2 weeks into this TN that we weren't going to end up with Flavia either dead or in jail and Adelina/Joaquin/Ray as a happy little family where she finally learns to let love in and live her OWN life and that instead, Adelina was going to try to possibly commit suicide but get murdered before she could and that Joaquin/Ray were really mostly for Flavia's journey and everything that occurred between them was just there to facilitate her growth? I would have thought you were CRAZY. I kind of like the fact that they didn't go with the cookie cutter TN route with these particular characters..and are doing something different even if I may not care one iota about Flavia or be happy with what Sev did to Adelina.
Adelina's weirdo obsession with Ray took a new low during this capitulo when she was actually fantasizing about killing herself so she could be reunited with his ghost in heaven. Umm.. girl? Your entire love affair with this man has taken place inside of your own mind. He didn't even know that you liked him let alone loved him until Roberta blurted it out and you freaked out and ran away in shame, he certainly didn't declare some secret love for you back and he was killed like 2 seconds later. She comes across like a total nut in regards to her Ray love..it has literally put her in a state of arrested development when it comes to anything emotional or physical with another man. It's kind of sad...but it doesn't even matter anymore since she will never learn to truly love someone and experience them loving her back because she's obviously gone now and her story is over. Oh well...
Aldonza doesn't know that Sev fired the first shot into her Father and that Roberta only shot the fatal one, correct? From the truth bomb she was getting, it seemed like she walked away from it thinking that her Mother shot both bullets and Sev was merely attacked by her Father with the machete and subsequently lost his arm. It's not really important but it seemed like that was how it it sounded as it all came out...and I still truly believe that Sev was going to shoot and try to kill Roberta that night to shut her up and get rid of the problems she was causing him and it was Ray driving his truck into the barn at the exact second Sev picked up the gun, was hiding it and was getting ready to shoot her that saved her life. Maybe I'm the only one who read the scene that way but I'm sticking to it! ;)
Wow! What an episode. If you had told me 2 weeks into this TN that we weren't going to end up with Flavia either dead or in jail and Adelina/Joaquin/Ray as a happy little family where she finally learns to let love in and live her OWN life and that instead, Adelina was going to try to possibly commit suicide but get murdered before she could and that Joaquin/Ray were really mostly for Flavia's journey and everything that occurred between them was just there to facilitate her growth? I would have thought you were CRAZY. I kind of like the fact that they didn't go with the cookie cutter TN route with these particular characters..and are doing something different even if I may not care one iota about Flavia or be happy with what Sev did to Adelina.
Adelina's weirdo obsession with Ray took a new low during this capitulo when she was actually fantasizing about killing herself so she could be reunited with his ghost in heaven. Umm.. girl? Your entire love affair with this man has taken place inside of your own mind. He didn't even know that you liked him let alone loved him until Roberta blurted it out and you freaked out and ran away in shame, he certainly didn't declare some secret love for you back and he was killed like 2 seconds later. She comes across like a total nut in regards to her Ray love..it has literally put her in a state of arrested development when it comes to anything emotional or physical with another man. It's kind of sad...but it doesn't even matter anymore since she will never learn to truly love someone and experience them loving her back because she's obviously gone now and her story is over. Oh well...
Aldonza doesn't know that Sev fired the first shot into her Father and that Roberta only shot the fatal one, correct? From the truth bomb she was getting, it seemed like she walked away from it thinking that her Mother shot both bullets and Sev was merely attacked by her Father with the machete and subsequently lost his arm. It's not really important but it seemed like that was how it it sounded as it all came out...and I still truly believe that Sev was going to shoot and try to kill Roberta that night to shut her up and get rid of the problems she was causing him and it was Ray driving his truck into the barn at the exact second Sev picked up the gun, was hiding it and was getting ready to shoot her that saved her life. Maybe I'm the only one who read the scene that way but I'm sticking to it! ;)
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 2:44:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 2:44:00 PM EDT
Starting to read comments, Vivi's comment at 11:53 nailed it in terms of Aldonza not catching a break. This is beyond dark, this is sadist's delight!
Diva re is this punishment for Adelina's crimes. I don't think Adelina committed any crime. She made a horrible decision to honor the oath she took with her sister, the person partly responsible for all the hell they've been going through and refused to break that oath even upon realizing it would hurt Aldonza more to learn the truth in a cruel, harsh way from the lips of the devil who raped her than from "her second" and maybe real mother, Adelina. For me that's the worse thing she did. I can't blame her for being afraid of Sev and afraid that if she let on to Roberta that maybe the baby wasn't dead she would keep dogging Sev's heels and maybe they would all end up dead. Once Padre gave voice to the suspicion that the baby never died instead of feeling relief that maybe the truth was coming out, she hunkered down and circled her wagons around the truths she was hiding thinking it was keeping Aldonza safe and protecting Roberta's image in Aldonza's eyes. Well, she was wrong. Roberta shot Ray in the back and killed him, accident or not, that was the crime, the sin and the shame. Roberta had no right to shift, nor Adelina to assume the burden of protecting Aldonza from the crimes Roberta herself committed and was too much of a coward to face. Yes, she was a coward. She probably would have survived the cancer but she didn't want to fight: she wanted an out and left Adelina holding the bag.
Maybe Adelina was going to take herself out to get away from the burden of secrets, half truths and lies and to be with Ray but Sev didn't give her a chance. He killed her. She was his victim literally and on many other levels.
Diva re is this punishment for Adelina's crimes. I don't think Adelina committed any crime. She made a horrible decision to honor the oath she took with her sister, the person partly responsible for all the hell they've been going through and refused to break that oath even upon realizing it would hurt Aldonza more to learn the truth in a cruel, harsh way from the lips of the devil who raped her than from "her second" and maybe real mother, Adelina. For me that's the worse thing she did. I can't blame her for being afraid of Sev and afraid that if she let on to Roberta that maybe the baby wasn't dead she would keep dogging Sev's heels and maybe they would all end up dead. Once Padre gave voice to the suspicion that the baby never died instead of feeling relief that maybe the truth was coming out, she hunkered down and circled her wagons around the truths she was hiding thinking it was keeping Aldonza safe and protecting Roberta's image in Aldonza's eyes. Well, she was wrong. Roberta shot Ray in the back and killed him, accident or not, that was the crime, the sin and the shame. Roberta had no right to shift, nor Adelina to assume the burden of protecting Aldonza from the crimes Roberta herself committed and was too much of a coward to face. Yes, she was a coward. She probably would have survived the cancer but she didn't want to fight: she wanted an out and left Adelina holding the bag.
Maybe Adelina was going to take herself out to get away from the burden of secrets, half truths and lies and to be with Ray but Sev didn't give her a chance. He killed her. She was his victim literally and on many other levels.
Linda- You are not the only one. I think most of us at the time were sure that Sever intended to kill Roberta in the barn, after he got some nookie. Ray did indeed save Rob's life. As for the two shots-- Rob never went into that much detail when she confessed to Adelina, so for all Adelina knew both shots were fired by Rob. In any case, the kill shot came from her, so it doesn't really matter. But what Sever would get in trouble for, at the least, is being an accessory to Ray's murder and the coverup. He accused Adelina of the same, but she seemed willing to take that on and admit to it to the police, and that's why he felt he needed to get rid of her.
There were no pills in that room when Sever arrived. He put them there. The pills weren't a happy coincidence. The letter was. I don't think a good Catholic like Adelina would commit suicide. I think she would have packed a bag and left town as her self punishment before she would do that.
There were no pills in that room when Sever arrived. He put them there. The pills weren't a happy coincidence. The letter was. I don't think a good Catholic like Adelina would commit suicide. I think she would have packed a bag and left town as her self punishment before she would do that.
Another reason I don't think Adelina would have ever committed suicide is because she would have never wanted to subject Aldonza to going through that a SECOND time.
Emeraldrose thank you for sharing that very personal story. That is so sad and true that early wounds can cut deep and scar forever!
Clearly Ray liked bad girls. He never would have gone for Adelina.
If Sev came into my room to kill me and decided he would make it look like I killed myself, he wouldn't be able to find any pills in my medicine cabinet that would kill me if I overdosed on them. Adelina was healthy and so was Aldonza, I can't imagine what they had on hand to use to fake the suicide.
If Sev came into my room to kill me and decided he would make it look like I killed myself, he wouldn't be able to find any pills in my medicine cabinet that would kill me if I overdosed on them. Adelina was healthy and so was Aldonza, I can't imagine what they had on hand to use to fake the suicide.
If you happened to have Tylenol in your medicine cabinet,cathyx, and many people do, that definitely can kill you. Once the liver shuts down, there's no going back.
I think he brought the pills. Clearly he came to kill, and "natural" death of a young healthy woman wasn't ever going to fly, so I'm sure he always intended to stage the suicide.
Ok true, JudyB, but this clearly wasn't tylenol. It looks like it came in a prescription bottle. And if it were sleeping pills, those take a lot longer to kill you than the time that passed here.
Then if he brought them from his house, an autopsy could reveal what the pills were. But then again, I'm sure they won't even question this.
Great work, Kat.
No way was Adelina going to off herself. Not only would that have forced Aldonza to another suicide loss it would have left her to fight Sev alone with Padre Jeronimo being shipped out of SL in a matter of days. Aldonza would be too stubborn not to stay.
BTW I must warn all of you that if you don't want to run into any spoilers don't google-search for photos. I found out about Adelina's death when I searched for the Karmageddon mug shots and the red dress freaked me out. I don't like to use the actors' resume photos for this because of any special makeup or facial expression that identifies the character so that is the risk I take for that.
As for Prudencia getting a job? She belongs in prison for inciting the riot and for paying those thugs to attack Silvia. She should not be allowed to get away with those crimes. Here's hoping someone sees her laughing over the video of the attack.
No argument over Emanuel's situation. He needs to process this in his own time and his own way. And he doesn't have to forgive, either.
I would love for us to get a shot of Severiano writhing in agony in the 9th circle of Hell, but I somehow doubt we'll get that. But he has to die in the name of public safety and so that Cristobal, Emanuel, and Aldonza will be safe.
No way was Adelina going to off herself. Not only would that have forced Aldonza to another suicide loss it would have left her to fight Sev alone with Padre Jeronimo being shipped out of SL in a matter of days. Aldonza would be too stubborn not to stay.
BTW I must warn all of you that if you don't want to run into any spoilers don't google-search for photos. I found out about Adelina's death when I searched for the Karmageddon mug shots and the red dress freaked me out. I don't like to use the actors' resume photos for this because of any special makeup or facial expression that identifies the character so that is the risk I take for that.
As for Prudencia getting a job? She belongs in prison for inciting the riot and for paying those thugs to attack Silvia. She should not be allowed to get away with those crimes. Here's hoping someone sees her laughing over the video of the attack.
No argument over Emanuel's situation. He needs to process this in his own time and his own way. And he doesn't have to forgive, either.
I would love for us to get a shot of Severiano writhing in agony in the 9th circle of Hell, but I somehow doubt we'll get that. But he has to die in the name of public safety and so that Cristobal, Emanuel, and Aldonza will be safe.
Diva--You had to deal with Addie's final scenes for us. Your rant was timely and thank you for the link to the Mayo Clinic.
Thank you for your diligence in having to relive it by retelling it for us. Yes, that red dress should have been a signal, but they still could have chosen an appropriately frumpy red dress for her. And, Sev should have straightened her out on the bed. Don't most people who take pills to commit suicide get into bed the right way and lie down? (Remember the Heaven's Gate cult mass suicide and the Hale-Bopp comet?)
How tragic for Aldonza. I wasn't thinking of her at all while Addie was sitting at the table writing her swan song. QQW? She and Al had already made up in the church. She didn't need to restate everything in a letter to Al. Was she just going to hand it to her and smile? Have we ever seen her sit down to write a letter--even her shopping list is spoken? Nor have we ever seen her feed the bird Irma gave her (not that this has anything to do with the price of eggs, but details matter in this case). Geesh.
(BTW--did anyone do a double-take besides me when I saw Addie stroking the box of Ray's ashes BACK on the shelf while she was talking to Camilo? I could have sworn she had given the ashes to PJ earlier and put up a picture of Ray in place of the box.)
PJ, Al, Cris and all the Patio Peeps could just as easily believed it was suicide (or murder) without the note. The writers are just making it too easy for Sev to deflect blame--AGAIN. Well, PJ not so much. Devout Catholics, especially priests do not look on suicide kindly. He would know, after all he and Addie shared, this was not in her to do, especially since it was the way Roberta chose to end her life. (Is it still true suicides cannot be buried in sanctified ground?)
Aldonza will probably not want an autopsy, as that will just expose her to more public humiliation. Interesting that it was Cris with her and not Renato. I hope Cris steps up to the plate with a full grown set of cojones and a strong spine. It's a toss up, though. He might crumple again if Al starts in blaming Sev--a likely case, even if Al could admit he didn't have anything directly to do with the suicide, he could still be blamed for driving her to it. Even though Cris' eyes are opening to Sev's crimes against humanity, can he still take yet another one being blamed on his dad?
Naah, PJ won't believe it was suicide. He just finished telling Al how strong Addie was all these years. Too bad she ended her conversation with Al saying she was tired of all this. There are two interpretations here--tired of all the lies or tired of life.
I sure hope someone has the bottle of pills analyzed. I hope Renato and Hum talk Al into an autopsy.
YAY for Tomas and Silvia, even if they do not end up together forevva.
YAY for Eman, choosing to spend his healing time with people who had nothing to do with his childhood or young manhood. Cris may be right and he's only going to take his depression with him, but Eman has done quite a bit of self-examination already and being around Aldonza and Cris at this time in his life, just won't work.
Not a SPOILER, but I'm willing to bet this novella is going to have a time jump of several years before El Fin. Too much to do before it ends.
Has anyone ever seen the movie El Secreto de Sus Ojos? Now THAT'S a punishment for Sev I could live with......
Thank you for your diligence in having to relive it by retelling it for us. Yes, that red dress should have been a signal, but they still could have chosen an appropriately frumpy red dress for her. And, Sev should have straightened her out on the bed. Don't most people who take pills to commit suicide get into bed the right way and lie down? (Remember the Heaven's Gate cult mass suicide and the Hale-Bopp comet?)
How tragic for Aldonza. I wasn't thinking of her at all while Addie was sitting at the table writing her swan song. QQW? She and Al had already made up in the church. She didn't need to restate everything in a letter to Al. Was she just going to hand it to her and smile? Have we ever seen her sit down to write a letter--even her shopping list is spoken? Nor have we ever seen her feed the bird Irma gave her (not that this has anything to do with the price of eggs, but details matter in this case). Geesh.
(BTW--did anyone do a double-take besides me when I saw Addie stroking the box of Ray's ashes BACK on the shelf while she was talking to Camilo? I could have sworn she had given the ashes to PJ earlier and put up a picture of Ray in place of the box.)
PJ, Al, Cris and all the Patio Peeps could just as easily believed it was suicide (or murder) without the note. The writers are just making it too easy for Sev to deflect blame--AGAIN. Well, PJ not so much. Devout Catholics, especially priests do not look on suicide kindly. He would know, after all he and Addie shared, this was not in her to do, especially since it was the way Roberta chose to end her life. (Is it still true suicides cannot be buried in sanctified ground?)
Aldonza will probably not want an autopsy, as that will just expose her to more public humiliation. Interesting that it was Cris with her and not Renato. I hope Cris steps up to the plate with a full grown set of cojones and a strong spine. It's a toss up, though. He might crumple again if Al starts in blaming Sev--a likely case, even if Al could admit he didn't have anything directly to do with the suicide, he could still be blamed for driving her to it. Even though Cris' eyes are opening to Sev's crimes against humanity, can he still take yet another one being blamed on his dad?
Naah, PJ won't believe it was suicide. He just finished telling Al how strong Addie was all these years. Too bad she ended her conversation with Al saying she was tired of all this. There are two interpretations here--tired of all the lies or tired of life.
I sure hope someone has the bottle of pills analyzed. I hope Renato and Hum talk Al into an autopsy.
YAY for Tomas and Silvia, even if they do not end up together forevva.
YAY for Eman, choosing to spend his healing time with people who had nothing to do with his childhood or young manhood. Cris may be right and he's only going to take his depression with him, but Eman has done quite a bit of self-examination already and being around Aldonza and Cris at this time in his life, just won't work.
Not a SPOILER, but I'm willing to bet this novella is going to have a time jump of several years before El Fin. Too much to do before it ends.
Has anyone ever seen the movie El Secreto de Sus Ojos? Now THAT'S a punishment for Sev I could live with......
Kat, thank you for the great, GREAT recap, and for taking time to put in the link to identifying suicidal tendencies in loved ones. It was a somber reminder.
Adelina: Wow, I really did NOT see that coming. I was more along the lines of: "Will they give her a new hairdo in the Gran Finale". And, after she apparently died and Sev was sitting there admiring his handiwork, I had a horrible flash that he was going to desecrate her body somehow...you know. Ugh. No self-respecting anvil would want to be tainted with his sorry self.
Thanks again Kat!
J in Oregon
Adelina: Wow, I really did NOT see that coming. I was more along the lines of: "Will they give her a new hairdo in the Gran Finale". And, after she apparently died and Sev was sitting there admiring his handiwork, I had a horrible flash that he was going to desecrate her body somehow...you know. Ugh. No self-respecting anvil would want to be tainted with his sorry self.
Thanks again Kat!
J in Oregon
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:34:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:34:00 PM EDT
JinO- Sever was totally giving Adelina a lascivious look as she lay dying. I had the same fear. *shudder*
Anita--yah, Ade did take Ray's ashes and handed them over to Padre at the church, to rest beside Roberta's temporarily until they were scattered at El Santuario. I thought that was odd too that they were back at Ade's house.
J in O
J in O
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:37:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:37:00 PM EDT
J in Oregon, I thought the same thing. He definitely looked like he was going to desecrate the body of our story's Virgin Martyr.
We've had past discussions about the escalating perversity of novela villains. This one makes me wonder if Alexis Ayala asked the writers to make his villain even more perverse than Pedro of LQLVMR and they said "Hey, why not?"
We've had past discussions about the escalating perversity of novela villains. This one makes me wonder if Alexis Ayala asked the writers to make his villain even more perverse than Pedro of LQLVMR and they said "Hey, why not?"
UA - While Adelina finally showed some fire and fight in her to Sev threatening to no longer stay silent and scared (which scared him enough to kill her), afterwards we saw her completely broken, talking about death, being tired of all the secrets and drama and just wanting to give up....and then she wrote that letter which read like a goodbye letter whether a permanent goodbye from the world or just leaving town but either way, wasn't she going to leave Aldonza alone to fight by herself? The way that letter read, I just can't believe all Adelina intended to do was hand it to her and stay in SL and support her with PJ soon leaving town. In spite of the spark we saw at the start of the show, by the end she was a wreck and definitely thinking about suicide and either planning to go through with it OR running away from it all. It's completely out of character for her to abandon Aldonza especially during such a heated time but I can't get past the letter...it had such pain and came across as a goodbye, even Sev agreed.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 4:03:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 4:03:00 PM EDT
It's up to just interpretation if Adelina meant that letter as a goodbye. She did not say goodbye in the letter (surely she would have if she really intended to die or leave). She did not speak of death in the letter. The letter was an apology for being weak and causing Al and Eman pain. We'll never know how she planned on delivering the letter to Al. If she planned to just go on a retreat for a while, just move out of the house, or whatever. Maybe she just felt like she would better be able to share her feelings in written form than she had been able to verbally. Maybe she just planned to take to her bed for a while, sort of like Eman has these last few episodes. But what I'm sure of is that devout Catholic Adelina, who watched her niece/daughter suffer through her mother's suicide, would never have committed suicide.
Sev saw what he wanted to see, as he has a lot of the time.
If we buy into a lot of the cliches of TNs he had to have known that Aldonza was a virgin when he raped her. His constant ranting about her being a slut is just as much a wish that it were true as it is an attempt at creating a bad rep for her because he wants her to be someone he can dismiss as easily as he tried to dismiss Roberta back in the day. Except that that attempt backfired. He's angry that Aldonza is more stubborn than Roberta was and that Aldonza had the guts to face him down.
Which actually doesn't jive with her failure to get psyche help for the rape, but we've all been around that block a number of times.
This leads me to another thought: Could Adelina have been responsible for Aldonza's failure to do that? Could she have been the one to tell her to forget it all when they got to DF? Knowing how Adelina was incapable of facing a lot of truths could she have been at fault over this?
If we buy into a lot of the cliches of TNs he had to have known that Aldonza was a virgin when he raped her. His constant ranting about her being a slut is just as much a wish that it were true as it is an attempt at creating a bad rep for her because he wants her to be someone he can dismiss as easily as he tried to dismiss Roberta back in the day. Except that that attempt backfired. He's angry that Aldonza is more stubborn than Roberta was and that Aldonza had the guts to face him down.
Which actually doesn't jive with her failure to get psyche help for the rape, but we've all been around that block a number of times.
This leads me to another thought: Could Adelina have been responsible for Aldonza's failure to do that? Could she have been the one to tell her to forget it all when they got to DF? Knowing how Adelina was incapable of facing a lot of truths could she have been at fault over this?
Both Roberta and Adelina decided the way to deal with Sever was to flee after the rape. They are both responsible for Al not getting any help after it happened.
Could Adelina have been writing that letter because she intended to go to the police, therefor admitting she was also an accessory (after the fact) to Ray's murder? She seemed prepared to sink if it also meant she could sink Sever.
Here is what the letter said:
Dear Aldonza,
I can’t find the words to ask your forgiveness for all the harm my secrets and lies have caused you. My entire life has been lived in silence, and now it’s time for me to pay the price. I have written this letter from my soul, because I know you have a huge and generous heart. That’s why you have forgiven me. You’re an angel. You always were and you always will be. But I, however, can’t forgive myself, because I didn’t know how to love you. Because one can’t love when hiding the truth. My silence is not even forgivable by God, because that silence was the ruin of you and Emanuel. I want you to know that in spite of my mistakes, I have loved you more than anything else in the world. And my life would have not have had meaning had you not been by my side, mi niña Hermosa.
Could Adelina have been writing that letter because she intended to go to the police, therefor admitting she was also an accessory (after the fact) to Ray's murder? She seemed prepared to sink if it also meant she could sink Sever.
Here is what the letter said:
Dear Aldonza,
I can’t find the words to ask your forgiveness for all the harm my secrets and lies have caused you. My entire life has been lived in silence, and now it’s time for me to pay the price. I have written this letter from my soul, because I know you have a huge and generous heart. That’s why you have forgiven me. You’re an angel. You always were and you always will be. But I, however, can’t forgive myself, because I didn’t know how to love you. Because one can’t love when hiding the truth. My silence is not even forgivable by God, because that silence was the ruin of you and Emanuel. I want you to know that in spite of my mistakes, I have loved you more than anything else in the world. And my life would have not have had meaning had you not been by my side, mi niña Hermosa.
Tofie, I don't think so. Adelina had no concept of Emanuel's suffering. She had no clue that men can suffer to the same degree as women. The only person in any position to understand Emanuel's suffering is Cristobal, who knows deep down that his parents, Vile, and Pru are monsters.
Well, they've really stirred the pot with this letter. Makes me feel more that she was going to commit suicide. When you're about to commit suicide you've given up on everything, even your faith, even God so I don't see where being a good Catholic would save her from her own hand. She was tired of of the lies and deceit which were the center of her life for the past twenty years. She broke her oath to Roberta so she'd let everybody down and she was ready to go to Ray. How could she think she would go to Ray when she committed suicide and doesn't get to go to heaven where Ray is? People who commit suicide don't think rationally.
i have been thoroughly enjoying all the recaps. i began watching "la sombra" at the suggestion of one of my hispanic co-workers, who is helping me learn spanish. i have really gotten into the storyline and i am SOOO grateful i found these english recaps! i can follow a lot of it, but someone like Lola, who speaks so fast, i have a difficult time catching much of what she says. So THANK YOU RECAPPERS,!!
i suppose i am the only one maybe who was saddened (and surprised) by Sev killing Adalina? i know from reading the comments after the recaps that many do not care for Adelina, but i actually liked her. I can't imagine what it would be like to live with those secrets for so long. i think that regardless of how she handled (or failed to handle, as the case may be) things, she did not deserve to die at Sev's hand. American soap opera villans got NOTHIN' on Severiano!
thank you all again for the recaps and comments that further explain things. i always look forward to reading them after an episode to see if i am understanding the spanish and i think my friend at work was right- my spanish is definitely improving, slowly but surely! :)
i suppose i am the only one maybe who was saddened (and surprised) by Sev killing Adalina? i know from reading the comments after the recaps that many do not care for Adelina, but i actually liked her. I can't imagine what it would be like to live with those secrets for so long. i think that regardless of how she handled (or failed to handle, as the case may be) things, she did not deserve to die at Sev's hand. American soap opera villans got NOTHIN' on Severiano!
thank you all again for the recaps and comments that further explain things. i always look forward to reading them after an episode to see if i am understanding the spanish and i think my friend at work was right- my spanish is definitely improving, slowly but surely! :)
I saw this episode a while ago and really thought that Ade was going to commit suicide and was surprised when Sev came out of the shadows and killed her, having said that, I started to get a bad feeling about her out some when she rejected Joaquin, I knew then that she would not have a happy ending.
Diva, thank you for the recap! I should not have laughed but your line about her dying for real had me in tears!
Diva, thank you for the recap! I should not have laughed but your line about her dying for real had me in tears!
Hi, all! The day got away from me, so lemme make a quick round of thank yous and then, wow it'll be practically time for me to start on the next one!
Thank you, Nina! Aw, hell no, Adelina didn't deserve this and Sev didn't deserve to get another "win," the creep.
Thank you, Daisynjay! I think you hit the nail on the head with "they don't like to have a gloomy gus around when they need to be focusing on their own 'can't give it up' problems."
Thank you, Lila! I'm a classy broad...sometimes :D
Thank you, JudyB! Awwwww, you're so right. Feelings do pass, and they change, and it's sad to see someone fall into the trap of thinking right now's bad feelings are going to last forever. And when it comes to sadness and grief and forgiveness, they're on their own timetable and they just can't be rushed.
Vivi, this is true, Padre J gave Aldonza the same advice/pep talk/directive and she got from point A to point B very quickly. Everyone's different. Em seems to have inherited his aunt's tendency to wallow in his feelings. And she held on to her soul-eating guilt for a good 20 years.
Thank you, Doris! An autopsy, in this town? Not a chance!
Thank you, Susanlynn! I can still see Sev going after Humberto, but it's risky if he does. Everything would end up going to Pru, as far as he knows. Though I think there's debate as to whether Pru would be easier or more difficult to deal with.
Thank you, Linda! Like Vivi said, there were no pills when Sev arrived. I rewound and watched in slo-mo multiple times, and I didn't see the red pill bottle or the scattered pills while she was writing the letter. There was a glass that might or might not have had water in it, and the lamp, but definitely nothing red, and no little white pills.
Lila, I agree, what Adelina did wasn't something that warranted death.
Thank you, Urban Anthropologist! Thank you for the warning. As freaked out as I was seeing the red dress the first time, I can just imagine seeing that pop up on Google search!
Thank you, Anita! That confused me, as well...they had already talked, Aldonza wanted to move on and put everything behind them...so she goes home and writes a suicide note? Or an I'm-running-away note? Hey, maybe it was an I'm-joining-a-convent note, for all we know. Too bad she wrote it before she packed or there would have been a clue. And more work to slow Sev down.
Thank you, J! I had the same thought about Sev and the body. How sad is it that that's something to be grateful for, because knowing Sev, it was a real possibility?! I see Vivi and Urban Anthropologist had the same fear...score one for Ayala.
Thank you, TgiM! It's amazing how much you can pick up by watching and listening, isn't it! You're not alone in your feelings about Adelina's death--JudyB is right there with you.
Thank you, Eli! Oh, I almost made a joke about her dying for real, but I just didn't have the heart to do it in the midst of all my "Whaaaaaaaaat?!"
Thank you, Nina! Aw, hell no, Adelina didn't deserve this and Sev didn't deserve to get another "win," the creep.
Thank you, Daisynjay! I think you hit the nail on the head with "they don't like to have a gloomy gus around when they need to be focusing on their own 'can't give it up' problems."
Thank you, Lila! I'm a classy broad...sometimes :D
Thank you, JudyB! Awwwww, you're so right. Feelings do pass, and they change, and it's sad to see someone fall into the trap of thinking right now's bad feelings are going to last forever. And when it comes to sadness and grief and forgiveness, they're on their own timetable and they just can't be rushed.
Vivi, this is true, Padre J gave Aldonza the same advice/pep talk/directive and she got from point A to point B very quickly. Everyone's different. Em seems to have inherited his aunt's tendency to wallow in his feelings. And she held on to her soul-eating guilt for a good 20 years.
Thank you, Doris! An autopsy, in this town? Not a chance!
Thank you, Susanlynn! I can still see Sev going after Humberto, but it's risky if he does. Everything would end up going to Pru, as far as he knows. Though I think there's debate as to whether Pru would be easier or more difficult to deal with.
Thank you, Linda! Like Vivi said, there were no pills when Sev arrived. I rewound and watched in slo-mo multiple times, and I didn't see the red pill bottle or the scattered pills while she was writing the letter. There was a glass that might or might not have had water in it, and the lamp, but definitely nothing red, and no little white pills.
Lila, I agree, what Adelina did wasn't something that warranted death.
Thank you, Urban Anthropologist! Thank you for the warning. As freaked out as I was seeing the red dress the first time, I can just imagine seeing that pop up on Google search!
Thank you, Anita! That confused me, as well...they had already talked, Aldonza wanted to move on and put everything behind them...so she goes home and writes a suicide note? Or an I'm-running-away note? Hey, maybe it was an I'm-joining-a-convent note, for all we know. Too bad she wrote it before she packed or there would have been a clue. And more work to slow Sev down.
Thank you, J! I had the same thought about Sev and the body. How sad is it that that's something to be grateful for, because knowing Sev, it was a real possibility?! I see Vivi and Urban Anthropologist had the same fear...score one for Ayala.
Thank you, TgiM! It's amazing how much you can pick up by watching and listening, isn't it! You're not alone in your feelings about Adelina's death--JudyB is right there with you.
Thank you, Eli! Oh, I almost made a joke about her dying for real, but I just didn't have the heart to do it in the midst of all my "Whaaaaaaaaat?!"
Ewww! I nominate Joaquin and Flavia for "Happily Divorced Co-Parents" pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease....
Hum should let Sev know that ES goes to Em and Al if he dies. That would make it useless to kill Hum..except out of frustration.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 6:45:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 6:45:00 PM EDT
I really don't see why it would take a month to put Em and Aldonza as beneficiaries to the estate. You just go to the title company and fill out some paperwork. It's really that simple.
flavia does not deserve Joaquin, but Ray deserves a mom and dad. Let's hope that she has really changed due to her time with Adriano and her illness and is no longer the bitter pill she was. If she ends up being rewarded with a happy family, I guess we can chalk it up to good things happening to not so good people which happens in real life when karma gets confused.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 6:53:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 6:53:00 PM EDT
I just figured out why it would take a month. Because it will take that long for Sylvia to get her bandages off to do it, lol.
Susanlynn, I don't think they have to be married to raise Ray. Flavia and Joaquin have just lost that lovin' feeling, and I don't know how he's supposed to get it back when he thinks about her cheating on him for so long, running off with Adriano, basically kidnapping Ray.
cathyx, you may be right about that. She is the one working lawyer in all the city. Hey, shouldn't she be summoning Ren or Pato to give them detailed notes about how to handle all her cases?
cathyx, you may be right about that. She is the one working lawyer in all the city. Hey, shouldn't she be summoning Ren or Pato to give them detailed notes about how to handle all her cases?
Cathyx, lol, yep poor Silvia is the only one that works in that law firm!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 7:04:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 7:04:00 PM EDT
Not to make too light of Addie's checking out, but that WOULD "release" Joaquin from his unrequited love for her. OTOH, he might, in parallel, turn into an "Addie" who could never ever get over her love for the unattainable Ray--Naah, that's too deep for these writers. Guess we have to stick to Happily Divorced Co-Parents, even though that doesn't make me too happy, along with like-minded Patio folks.
Ok, about 45 min. to go before I settle down to a commercial-free (>>FF) episode.
See you all manana.
Ok, about 45 min. to go before I settle down to a commercial-free (>>FF) episode.
See you all manana.
Muchas gracias, Diva!
I didn't see the episode, but the recap was just right. I LOVED your PSA about Em and his feelings. Amen, sister.
I am so sorry to hear of Adelina's demise. QEPD.
I have sorely missed hanging out on the patio today, but I was tearing stuff down (with hammers!) at school...and it was kind of cool.
I didn't see the episode, but the recap was just right. I LOVED your PSA about Em and his feelings. Amen, sister.
I am so sorry to hear of Adelina's demise. QEPD.
I have sorely missed hanging out on the patio today, but I was tearing stuff down (with hammers!) at school...and it was kind of cool.
I beg everyone's pardon for not being able to recap last night's episode.
And Diva - Mil, mil gracias amiga. You are the best team leader ever!
And Diva - Mil, mil gracias amiga. You are the best team leader ever!
I love reading all this pill bottle super sleuth analysis and how people rewatched the scenes in slow mo to investigate and survey the room but here's an idea, maybe it was simply an editing goof and the people who stage the sets prior to shooting a scene didn't think to add the pill bottle and pills until they needed the close up shot of them for when Aldonza ran in and found her to imply to Aldonza and crew that Adelina had committed suicide? It's quite possible that this isn't meant to be ambiguous at all...I mean, if they wanted to, they could have shown a quick 10 second scene of Severiano staging the pills but they didn't - they just showed them when she was found and it is very possible that Adelina put them there with the intention of using them or at least was thinking about using them. I obviously don't know and unless Sev says he put them there or there is an actor interview somewhere that specifies what happened, I won't know.. but I just wanted to point out that editing goofs and mishaps happen all the time and the pill bottle not being there when she is writing the letter may mean nothing more than the set people didn't think to add it yet and no one caught it.
Speaking of editing goofs, just last week, when Eman got out of jail and had the celebratory party at ES, there was a shot of Adelina and others over by the food/beverage table and there was an empty soda bottle. 2 seconds later and there is a shot of Adelina reaching for that same soda bottle in the same exact spot only now it is magically full so she can pour a drink. ;) They don't necessarily shoot the scenes in the order we seem them, they do more than 1 take a lot and the set can be altered in doing scenes multiple times and there are inevitably oversights.
I am not saying that is what happened with the pill bottle BUT it's a possibility that it was just an oversight not to have added it when Adelina was writing the letter, nothing more.
Speaking of editing goofs, just last week, when Eman got out of jail and had the celebratory party at ES, there was a shot of Adelina and others over by the food/beverage table and there was an empty soda bottle. 2 seconds later and there is a shot of Adelina reaching for that same soda bottle in the same exact spot only now it is magically full so she can pour a drink. ;) They don't necessarily shoot the scenes in the order we seem them, they do more than 1 take a lot and the set can be altered in doing scenes multiple times and there are inevitably oversights.
I am not saying that is what happened with the pill bottle BUT it's a possibility that it was just an oversight not to have added it when Adelina was writing the letter, nothing more.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 9:22:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 9:22:00 PM EDT
Linda- I just went back and looked at the scene and actually Sever can clearly be seen placing the pill bottle on the table. Check min 34:56: https://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=1n8s0j568#/watch?v=Go1sGOGXLHI
I'm not even kidding, Mr. 5ft swore he saw Sev set down the pill bottle, so I'm over here rolling my eyes and watching it again on slow-mo. We're watching from after Sev injects whatever. Definitely no pill bottle or spilled pills before that, and so far, none when he threw her on the bed and went to close the door. He sits on the bed, still no pills. The syringe is on his left side on the bed. He's doing his gross Sev stare while she's gasping. Wide shot, still no pills, nothing in his hand, syringe still on the bed, he's just staring.
Shift to the scene where Cris calls Aldonza.
Shift back and the focus is on Adelina's face/head in the foreground. In the background, there are now loose pills on the nightstand and Sev's gloved hand places the bottle and then adjusts it. No syringe on the bed.
These are the facts as uncovered by 1/6 speed slow-motion. Ok, fine, Mr. 5ft was right. This time.
And five minutes from now this may all very well be explained definitively, but first I gotta go watch tonight's episode to find out!
Shift to the scene where Cris calls Aldonza.
Shift back and the focus is on Adelina's face/head in the foreground. In the background, there are now loose pills on the nightstand and Sev's gloved hand places the bottle and then adjusts it. No syringe on the bed.
These are the facts as uncovered by 1/6 speed slow-motion. Ok, fine, Mr. 5ft was right. This time.
And five minutes from now this may all very well be explained definitively, but first I gotta go watch tonight's episode to find out!
That's what I get for insisting that they weren't there before, but they were there after, but we didn't actually see him put them there. And sure enough, the one time my notoriously not-detail-oriented (except when it comes to his job) husband notices a detail...that's the one he notices. *sigh*
Thank you for the great recap 5ft!
I saw this episode a while ago but I somehow remember Severiano putting the pills on the nightstand. This was a big scene.
And I'm firmly in the Adelina was not planning to take her own life camp. No way would she do that to Aldonza after seeing her suffer through Roberta's death. I think writing letters can be a way to let go of the burden of your feelings and Adelina was certainly carrying a heavy burden for too long.
About Emanuel, I think everybody mostly just wants him to feel better but the lines with Cristobal sounded selfish because, to me, he's always sounded like that when it comes to Emanuel.
Jarocha
I saw this episode a while ago but I somehow remember Severiano putting the pills on the nightstand. This was a big scene.
And I'm firmly in the Adelina was not planning to take her own life camp. No way would she do that to Aldonza after seeing her suffer through Roberta's death. I think writing letters can be a way to let go of the burden of your feelings and Adelina was certainly carrying a heavy burden for too long.
About Emanuel, I think everybody mostly just wants him to feel better but the lines with Cristobal sounded selfish because, to me, he's always sounded like that when it comes to Emanuel.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 10:04:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 10:04:00 PM EDT
Diva- I saw the Mexican broadcast and swear that I saw Sev put down, or pick up a pill bottle, I swear I saw it.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 10:28:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 10:28:00 PM EDT
Vivi - We'll, that clears it all up and the mystery of the pill bottle is solved! ..so now we know for sure that he staged it to imply suicide and her letter only helped sell the scene. I had only watched the show once, live, and relived it with the great recap but didn't spot that blink and you missed it scene of him setting up the pills as others also didn't so.. a big thank you.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 10:31:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 10:31:00 PM EDT
This is hilarious! I usually think I'm catching every little detail...I'm going to use the excuse that I was focused on her face in the foreground and just missed it.
And hey, what an unusual bottle...RED glass? Now I want some pretty red glass bottles. Would that be weird?
And hey, what an unusual bottle...RED glass? Now I want some pretty red glass bottles. Would that be weird?
Does that mean you saw the bottle?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 10:38:00 PM EDT
: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 10:38:00 PM EDT
Red glass bottles are common here. Not as much as in the past but some companies still use them.
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