Thursday, October 29, 2015

Lo Imperdonable #117 Wed 10/28/15

AP tells Pablo that the truth is out. She is heir to half of OG's money and the only heir to the house where Manny is living. But the worst part for Manny is that Pablo gets some of the inheritance too because he is now AP's husband, and that is the only reason Manny went to visit AP.

Vero breaks away from Marty's loving embrace. She does not know him and wants to be left alone. He calls her mi amor; she runs away and Marty goes after her.

Some of Pablo's brain cells start functioning as he realizes the reason Manny was after him and AP after Pablo had taken AP from her almost marriage to Julio. AP also confesses that Manny tried to kill her in front of OG's casket. Blanquita's screams interrupt the conversation. AP asks Pablo to help her cousin. Manny takes advantage and locks himself and AP in the room.


Marty catches up to Vero, but they also hear Blanquita's cry for help. She tells Marty to go help her friend. She will talk with him and trust him if he goes to help Blanquita. Marty runs to the rescue and Vero runs to the street.

Chelas has taken Blanquita to his room. Muscular Marty comes in and shoves Chelas to the ground. While he checks on Blanquita Pablo comes in and punches Chelas. While Marty and Pablo ask Blanquita if she's ok Chelas takes off. Marty worries about Vero and takes off after him. Pablo and Blanca hear AP's cries for help. Manny has AP tied to a chair and the door blocked.

Marty finds Vero in the street and she wants nothing to do with him. She tells him that her name is Victoria and that he (Marty) got her hooked on drugs. She tells him that Dr. Dante Jimenez told her that. She gets a flashback of a fire when she sees a flame thrower in the street. Marty realizes that she is thinking about the fire in Mina Escondida where he rescued her.

Manny decides to high tail it out of there when he hears sirens getting closer. He warns AP that he'll be back. He clears the door and hits Pablo on the head when he comes in. Manny makes a run for it.

Back in the street, there happen to be some swords across the street. Marty tries to jog Vero's memory with a fencing match telling her that was the way they used to settle their differences. Vero has a memory of that first match with Marty. You know, the one where it looked like he wanted to kill her. Vero faints; Marty catches her.

Rebeca has a talk with her assistant. She realizes that Marty still has Vero on the brain and it's better that she find love somewhere else. After all, she's not going to beg for it. Besides, she's very busy with work. This does not make up for wanting to go after Marty so soon.

Marty is carrying Vero and runs into Demetrio. Marty tells him to go see him tomorrow at the corporativo.

Ginny sees that Rita is back at work and tries to run her off. Jorge comes in and defends Rita. Jorge asks Ginny if she has any idea who stole the check.

Manny sees Marty carrying Vero back to the vecindad.

In Jorge's office Ginny pleads her case to Jorge. He thought bubbles that she is very cynical. He tells her she will have to testify that she did not steal the check. She reluctantly agrees.


Note: Lucia was a witness to the scene with Ginny and Rita and Ginny and Jorge in the office.
Aaron recognizes Vero when Marty carries her into the vecindad. Aaron is disguised as a burned-faced pirate. Some cops come in to "look" for Aaron because of the anonymous tip. They walk right past him. Aaron knows it was Chelas that gave him up. He will deal with him later. But first he needs to know why they thought Vero was dead. Ginny has some explaining to do, and she better have some cash too.

Manny visits Ginny at the office. He tells her that he saw Vero. And that Marty knows she's alive too. Ginny is not happy. Manny tells her that Vero is living with his sister and cousin and that Pablo was there too. Ginny comments that Mariana told her Pablo was going to marry her. Manny is not happy. WTH?

Marty is upset (and rightfully so) that AP and Blanquita didn't tell him that Vero is alive. While Vero is still passed out they explain that they took her to a doctor and wanted to avoid getting her upset, so they had to keep her away from Marty until she regained more of her memory back. Marty will go talk to the doctor. Pablo tells him that Manny was there trying to hurt AP.

Marty has a lengthy conversation with Vero's doctor. He explains that there is an illness, which was named in 1992, called False Memory Syndrome. Where a person believes false memories. Seems that not many people believe that this can happen, but it does and he mentions that it was named after a person was convinced by their psychologist that they had been sexually abused by a priest. Marty wants to know if Vero will regain her memories. The doctor says yes, but that Vero's case is very delicate. She has irreversible damage to the left side of her brain and the doctor that was attending her before was giving her a medicine that weakened her power of will (voluntad). With that he could have given her some false memories. Marty wants to know how to help her. The doctor says to slowly help her remember her past, but that something like the encounter they just had could provoke and strengthen those false memories. Marty didn't want that. But the doctor also says that a strong and hard event can cause Vero's unconsciousness to relive a memory that may force her to regain her memory. He says it will be a long process. Then he asks Marty if there was ever any pain or hard times in their marriage. If Vero conserves painful memories, it will strengthen her rejection of him. Marty confirms that the beginning of their marriage was very complicated. He made a lot of mistakes and made her suffer. The doctor recommends that Marty be very cautious with Vero. He needs to get close to her very slowly to regain her trust. Apparently the doctor doesn't know that we only have 3 episodes left for Vero to trust Marty again.

Vero is having a nightmare. She dreams that she and Marty are sparing and that he tells her that since he met her he had dreamed about the moment he would kill her and complete his vengeance. Then she sees Dr. Dan showing her a pic of Marty. She wakes up screaming that he wants to kill her. Blanquita tries to calm her down. Vero wants to know why Marty says he loves her when she feels the opposite. Blanca tells her because they made her think that.

Pablo tells Vero that Marty loves her more than life. He cried with desperation at her funeral. Blanca, AP and Pablo try to convince her. AP says that the doctor told her a bunch of lies and that she will know why when she gets her memory back. Vero tells them about her dream. Pablo says that she dreamt that because she is confused, but that they will all help her. He asks her to trust them.

Marty gets home with the doctor and tells Maggie and Botel that Vero is alive. Caras de impactados. Maggie wants to bring Vero home.

Vero tells the gang that she feels anxious and insecure around Marty. She also tells them that the doctor told her that Virginia was her guardian angel. They remember that Vero has a cousin named Virginia.

Ginny calls Dr. Dan. She knows where Vero is.

The doctor and Marty explain why Vero can't come home. They don't know what, if anything, was said about Maggie to Vero. It might make things worse if Vero sees Maggie. Usually these symptoms go away a few hours after a head injury, but Vero is different because of the medicine they gave her which enabled them to give her a new identity. Marty thinks that Ginny and Dr. Dan are behind it all.

Ginny and Aaron are threatening each other over the phone. Claudia overhears the convo and wants to know who is blackmailing Ginny.

Aaron sends the video of Ginny and Dr. Dan (that Vero recorded) to Salma, via Vero's phone. Salma gets the video message while she is receiving a massage. Salma wonders where she went wrong with Ginny.

Claudia wants to know who is blackmailing Ginny. Emi comes into the conversation and Ginny learns that Emi and Claudia are now novios. Emi asks Ginny who she was talking to on the phone and she says to butt out of her business. He says fine, but that the truth comes out sooner or later. Emi and Claudia leave to talk to Jorge.

At the only market in Mexico (thanks Mauricio) Pablo and AP have a romantic moment in front of Dona Prudencia. Pablo tells AP that soon they will have the home she always dreamed of. Julio walks up and sees them together. Julio is not happy.

Salma goes to confront Ginny about the video she received. How could she receive that video from Vero's phone if she is dead. Does Ginny have anything to do with Vero's death? Salma wants answers. Ginny denies any involvement in Vero's death. Salma now has evidence to turn Ginny into the authorities. Ginny calls her a hypocrite and a liar. Now she knows why she wants to put her in jail. Salma has never loved her, she has always hated Ginny.

Marty is getting ready for the Vero Jewelry Collection presentation for that evening. He wants everything perfect in case a special person is there. Rebeca is there and wants to know who that special person is. Marty tells her that it's Vero!

Vero is walking down a sidewalk, alone. Why would they leave her alone when Aaron and Ginny are on the loose? Anyway, thank goodness she is there because Maggie is also walking on that same sidewalk when she is attacked by Aaron. Vero comes to her rescue and Aaron runs away. Vero immediately recognizes Maggie as her mother. It's a miracle! Vero is still a bit confused by everything that has been told to her, and wants to know what happened to her and why she is where she is. Maggie is just happy that she is alive. Vero states that she clearly knows for sure that she IS Veronica and that Maggie is her mother.

Rebeca is confused. If Vero is alive, why isn't she there getting ready for the presentation? Marty explains that she lost her memory, and thinks that Marty wants to harm her.

Maggie tries to explain to Vero that Marty does not want to harm her. That he loves her. Vero can't remember and is stressing out over the memories she does have. Vero tells Maggie that the doctor told her that Virginia saved her from abusing drugs. Maggie tells her that those are all lies. That Virginia did not save her.

Ginny lays the guilt trip on Salma. She says she wanted to get rid of Mati because she was jealous that Vero had a mother figure. If Salma had really wanted and loved Ginny, she never would have sold her.

Jorge, Emi and Claudia talk about Ginny and wonder who and why she is being blackmailed.

Ginny and Salma are hugging and Ginny asks Salma not to turn her in. To give her a chance to show she has changed. Salma says ok, and that if she sees that Ginny has changed she will get rid of the video herself. Ginny calls Salma mama and says that she has her life in her hands and hopes that this time she doesn't betray her.

Emi and Claudia tell Jorge that they are engaged. They will get to know each other better and take it slow. Jorge is happy and congratulates them.

Julio has a talk with AP. He finally understands that he will always be like a brother for AP. Pablo is the love of her life and he will step aside so they can be happy. AP thanks him for always being there for her and for taking care of her.

Rebeca tells Marty that he deserves to be happy and that life is giving him a second chance. She tells him he is very lucky and he agrees. He also tells her that there is a reason for Vero's rejection and frightfullness. He sits her down and I guess we are to assume that he tells Rebeca his back story with Vero. Either the writers or Uni cut that part out.

Maggie and Vero go back to Blanca's room. Vero remembers an explosion. Maggie thinks it's a memory of the accident. Maggie says someone was with her when she had the accident because there was a burned body in the truck. They figure that the person that saved her must have put her belongings in the truck to make it look like she had died. Only a mean and twisted person would do that.

Salma and Ginny reconcile. Salma knows she was never a good example for Ginny. Ginny says she learned everything from Salma and that she created a monster. Salma will not turn her in to the authorities. Ginny says that she is a lost cause and walks away. Now alone, Ginny blames all of her recent misfortunes on Aaron. She turns to walk away and runs into a disguised Aaron in the hallway.

Manny buys a silencer for his gun.

Ginny finally recognizes Aaron and wants to know why he sent that video to Salma. Chucho happens to walk by (behind Ginny, so she does not see him) and hears Ginny call out Aaron's full name and Chucho recognizes it as Vero's father's name. He walks away wondering why Ginny is talking to him. This recapper is hoping that Chucho has the brain cells to tell Jorge about the encounter he just witnessed. Aaron threatens Ginny and tells her that she has til that night to come up with the money he wants or he will send the video to Marty.

Maggie vows that she and Marty will protect Vero against anyone. Vero is happy that she is not a drug addict. She wouldn't want to embarrass her mother. They talk about how they admire each other.

Emi and Claudia make love while we are forced to listen to her singing in the background. Where's Nanciyaga? She needs to come for her hombre!

Blanca and AP and talking about how bad they feel for Vero as they stupidly walk through the market when it's closed and dark and when they know Chelas and Manny are freely walking the streets of the city. Manny comes from behind and ggrabs both of them.

Maggie gives Vero her medication. Vero says she remembers some stuff, but not everything. She remembers a bad fight she had with Marty. She gets frustrated saying that everytime she remembers Marty it's full of bitterness and of him accusing her like he hates her. And no matter how much they tell her that Marty loves her, she doesn't remember that. Maggie tells her it will take time. Vero says she doesn't want to see him because she feels something strange when she sees him. Maggie says ok, but she asks if she can take Vero to a special place that evening. Vero asks where? Maggie says it's important for Vero. Maggie asks her to trust her. Vero agrees to go. Maggie asks her to accompany her without asking any questions. Vero agrees saying that she trusts Maggie.

Manny is dragging AP and Blanca through a market aisle. Where are Arturo and Julio? Anyways, he plops them in front of a statue of the Virgencita. The girls tell Manny that he can have all of the inheritance. He brings out his gun and tells them to pray one last time.

End of Episode.

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Hey Folks!
This was my last recap for Lo Imperdonable. Even though I wasn't on the team from the beginning it was a fun ride. There was some monkey business with the writing sometimes but overall I did enjoy the actors' portrayals. I would watch Ivan and AnaBrenda again. I really liked them as a couple. Thanks to everyone for their questions and comments, and a Special THANK YOU to the rest of the Lo Imperdonable team. Gracias amigos!

I will be recapping on Wednesday's for Pasion y Poder. Hope to see you guys there.

Hasta Pronto!
 

Thanks for the recap AuntyAnn!

I'm a bit confused as to why the final episode on Monday isn't two hours long. There are two normal one hour episodes left plus the 2 hour gran final, but Univision only has three more hours scheduled for this TN. Are they planning a major hack job for the final? Honestly I don't care if they do; this TN has gotten so bad that I can't wait for it to end... I will miss seeing AB and IV together on my screen though.
 

Thanks AuntyAnn for the recap.

There were a few funny moments for me:

1. It was funny to see the swords on the road for Martin and Vero to use. It was just there just like that.

2. When Manuel told Virginia that Martin has found Vero, I loved the look on her face.

3. Most importantly the look on Rebecca's face when Martin told her the Vero is alive. Hahahaha!

It was nice to see Martin continuing to call Vero 'mi amor' after she told him not to. Is Vero pregnant because she fainted? I don't think she would because she would have lost the baby if she was pregnant at the accident.

AuntyAnn I agree with you why would they leave Vero to walk alone! Not only is there a danger of Aaron but also Vero is still fragile and doesn't know herself.

I am so surprised that Martin left Vero alone for what seems to be a long time (seeing the doctor, then seeing Botel and Magdalena and then Rebecca). I understand him going to see the doctor to know more about Vero's condition but he could have phoned Magdalena and Rebecca. He didn't need to go there so soon. The Martin I know would have stayed with Vero till she woke up. He was by her side when her nanny was in hospital and when she was unconscious after the fire. He has just found out that she is alive after believing she was dead. I would have thought he wouldn't want to leave her side after not seeing her for so long. Oh well I blame the writers!

Did anyone notice that Martin was wearing a different black shirt when he went to see the doctor and then a black t shirt when he came back to his apartment? I guess the director didn't pay attention to that detail.

Did anyone also notice Vero smiling while unconscious when Martin kissed her on the bed?

Thanks again for the recap.
 

AuntyAnn, it has been a joy having you on this team over the last several weeks. We really lucked out! Thank you so much!

And thank you for today's excellent recap. I liked hearing you voice the questions that most of us probably had in mind as one improbable scene followed another.

"Vero has a memory of that first match with Marty. You know, the one where it looked like he wanted to kill her."

Hah! This is actually an interesting twist – NOW the venganza-related abuse is coming back to roost.

Confession: I was touched by the Vero/Magdalena encounter. [sniff sniff].

Duchess: Good eye for detail! They could have used you on the continuity crew. :-)

Fleeting anvil thoughts:

-I'm not convinced by the Claudia/Emi thing (I think I saw less than you did, thank the lord). I mean, the spirits can't be wrong, right? Maybe Claudia is going to be an 11th hour victim so that Emi can follow his destiny...

-Let's check out the dresses that Rebeca and Vero are wearing at the show tonight. If they are the same color and roughly the same style, that bodes ill for Rebeca...
 

"Hah! This is actually an interesting twist – NOW the venganza-related abuse is coming back to roost."

Right. I think all of Veronica's gut feelings that she ignored and suppressed are bubbling back up.

She knew subconciously from the beginning of their courtship that Martin hated her.
 

Thank you AuntyAnn for a wonderful recap. I want to echo NovelaMaven and say that it has been a joy to have you on the team. Thank you so much for joining us.

Wow, that was certainly a lot of action in the first few minutes. There was a lot of commotion with so much going on. Vero running away, Blanquita being kidnapped, and Ana Perla being kidnapped and tied up to a chair. Marty and Pablo saved the day for sure. Even Chelas did unknowingly since he led the cops over there.

That was funny how Marty challenged Vero to a fencing match right then and there in the middle of the street. And yes, where did those swords come from?

I liked how Marty was rightfully upset with Blanquita and Ana Perla for keeping the truth from him. I'm glad he didn't let that one pass.

Also, liked how Rita was given her job back, though I don't know why she would go back to work for someone who mistrusted her and treated her like a thief.

Not sure what to think of Virginia in dark green.

I was liking Salma, but then she goes and gets back on Virginia's side and falls for her guilt trap. Oh Salma. Here we go again with you blindly being on her side.

Hated the ending with Manny trapping Ana Perla and Blanquita. Actually, the whole thing felt like we were back in the beginning of the episode, with both girls kidnapped.

At this point, they should all just stay at home with all those bad guys running around terrorizing everyone.
 

"Hah! This is actually an interesting twist – NOW the venganza-related abuse is coming back to roost."

Yes, it comes back to bite Marty in the butt. It is an interesting twist.
 

Loved the recap!

Yeah I think there were more bad times in there marriage than good times. With only 3 episodes left I'm angry that Vero isn't getting her full memory back. I want her to be the one to take down Ginny. Also, why hasn't Marty called Jorge or Emi to let them know Vero is alive. What? is he going to surprise them at the show?

Agree Emi and Claudia are boring, seemingly desperate, and wish Nanci would arrive to show him passion.

Where is Manny staying? We only ever seem him prowling the streets. I can't believe he thinks he can kill his whole family and no one would be the wiser.

Salma's guilt continues to blind her to her daughter's crocodile tears.

Does Aaron have free range at the local Halloween shop?
 

I think the swords were part of the act of the guy with the flame throwing things that were scaring Vero. Looks like circus act in the street.
 

Carvivlie,

"Does Aaron have free range at the local Halloween shop?"

Ha! Sort of – Chelas offered him the use of his personal collection of disguises.

Yeah, I think street performers are pretty common in Mexico.
 

AuntyAnn---Thank you, it's been a blast. I'm glad that you became a full fledged member of the "A" Team. You have been a treat for sleepy mornings centered around the computer, coffee and Caray recaps.

I did chuckle a little when I read that the doctor doesn't know that we only have three episodes left. And I was perplexed when I read Ginny's thoughts that Salma never loved her. She has always hated Ginny. What? I can't remember one time where Salma took Veronica's side on anything when it concerned the two of them. It was always Ginny over Veronica in Salma's eyes.

Some may talk about the silliness of the bad writing but I was cheering when our still wounded warrior goddess sprang into action to help a lady in the process of being mugged by a purse snatcher. (Aaron in disguise) What a stroke of fate that the woman being robbed turned out to be Maggie, Veronica's mother. Bad writing? Hey, I'll take that scene any day with cheers and shouts of victory along the way.

Right AuntyAnn---Where is Nanciyaga?
NovelaMaven---Yes right. There is going to be some gunplay. Could it be that Claw-dia goes down in the final/closing chapter leaving the door open for Nanci? The snails are never wrong.

Duchess---You caught 'em, I didn't. Black shirt and black t shirt. Vero's unconscious smile. Good catch.

NM---Deep seated venganza related abuse coming back in Vero's mind. Now that's a twist that the writers got right. Yes, an interesting twist it is.

LOL Mongoose---Nurse Pigtails.

Who will rescue Ana Paula and Blanquita tonight?

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I actually don't see Salma blindly being on Virginia's side in this case. I see Salma as knowing she's going to lose Virginia either to Virginia never speaking to her again, jail or death. She's trying to hold on to her dream of her & Virginia being a loving mother and daughter.

Right now the only 2 functioning people who know exactly how treacherous Virginia is are Jorge & Marty. They know/suspect:

Virginia sent the emails from Cepeda from Veronica's computer

Virginia & Manny conspired to rob the gold from Marty (only Virginia had nothing to do with this)

Virginia & Manny tried to kill them at the mine

Virginia killed Matilde

Virginia is working with Aaron

Virginia embezzled from Prado Castelo

Virginia & Daniel are behind Veronica's accident

Emi suspects Virginia is shady and hasn't really rocked with her since the wedding but he doesn't know all of what Jorge & Marty suspect she's done. With his hot temper it's probably best he doesn't know b/c he'd spill the beans. One hothead (Marty) is enough.

 

Thank you, AuntyAnn, for another fabulous recap!

Have to run because of work, but just want to say so glad our warrioress was in action saving Maggie last night!

Hasta pronto, and thanks to all the recappers and patio friends for a glorious ride!
 

Aunty Ann, thanks for this solid recap and all your contributions.

This episode had a Keystone Cops feel to it. Lots of aimless rushing around, still too much to wrap up in too short a time. (Although I wouldn't want to drag on any longer, either.)

At least Vero has someone she trusts in Maggie. If she goes to the jewelry show, I can see her regaining her memory and leaping onto the runway to explain/proclaim/denounce what's going on. That would set off some final action.
 

AuntyAnn, thanks for a lovely intense recap.
The funny part: blanquita screamin for help,
AP screamin for help, vero runnin for help from marty, and then aaron walkin around
Lookin like the living dead. It's like watching comedy capers meeting with zombie nation.
Im so glad marteen and veeeronica ran into
Each other, now maybe beca can give it a rest.

"Ginny says she learned everything from salma. You created a monster". And she still hasn't Learned from her mistakes, she still believes That liar, all she has to do is turn on the ol crocodile tears and she's got her. Annnnd speakin of stupid, AP & blanquita, they could Have double teamed that jackass, he didn't Even have his gun out yet. But this is tv, so I'm going to enjoy this silly fun filled drama because there's only three nights left. Aaron Is going to run out of costumes, he keeps running into people with the different ugly costume on, the next time somebody sees him they're going to know it's him.


 

Thanks Carvivlie. That must have been were the swords came from.

About Salma and Virginia, I had not thought about it like that. Good point Anon207.

I forgot to mention that I thought it was funny when Virginia said "El Niño Emi has a girlfriend" after she finds out that Emi and Claudia are a couple. It's so funny every time they refer to Emi as "El Niño".
 

About Chucho, I hope he does tell Jorge that he saw Virginia and Aaron talking. It would help Jorge link Virginia and Aaron together.

It was so random how Virginia just said Aaron's full name right there at the offices where anyone could have heard her or seen her.
 

AuntyAnn, I want you to know how much I've appreciated and enjoyed your terrific recaps these past weeks. You have a natural talent and ability that you've generously shared with us. It has also given us the opportunity to get to know much better AuntyAnn whose comments and clever quips we've already enjoyed for quite some time. Well done (and of course, thank you.).

This episode was actually rather amusing and entertaining for me. Someone was always disappearing or mysteriously reappearing, a lot like I remember from those old Marx Brothers movies.

It's somewhat satisfying to see Martín being punished for his sins although I'd really like to see him more directly confront, admit, and repent his past awfulness.

I'm eager to see how Pablo's revenge works out. I simply can't imagine a good outcome for him with the predicate he has laid down.

And finally some good preparation. Emiliano had roses, Champagne, strawberries dipped in chocolate (Although I think that the lit candles were missing). Good work young fellow.

Carlos
 

So, Carlos, did I miss something? I believe Martín has confronted, admitted, and repented his idiotic venganza several times already. Is it not enough? What more can he say? It was dumb, he admitted it, he's sorry. What more?


 

Good Evening/Afternoon,
Thank you to everyone for stopping by today. The comments, as always, were entertaining and delightful. So much so say, but alas I am at work and swamped. I envy all of you that have had the time to comment. I wish I could join in the conversation.

I was glad that at least Vero recognized Maggie. It just sucks that it is so late in the story and she can't remember loving her husband. Maybe another traumatic moment will help her remember more. Or maybe she will have to fall for Marty again. Who knows what those monkey writers will throw at us tonight. Either way, I can't wait to see what happens next. Oh, and can we please have the anvils start tonight. Even if its a small one. I need a bad guy to go down. And another thing, something needs to happen so that Emi ends up with Nanciyaga. Any suggestions?

Again thank you J, Duchess, NovelaMaven, Anon207, Mauricio, Carvivlie, Gringo, Mari, LaPaloma, Nina and Carlos. Having all of you here makes recapping worth it.

Hasta Pronto.

p.s. Carlos, do you know if that False Memory Syndrome really exists? And if that case study the doctor talked about is real. I am just curious.
 

Mari,

I don't think I've ever seen Martín willingly admit fully the extent of his plan for vengeance and the lengths to which he pursued it. I think that rather than repenting, he has regretted having been discovered. Recall the extremes he went to in trying to hush up those who were aware of his perfidy? Also I think that most of us feel that even though his plan was directed at the wrong person, that it was a bad idea to begin with. As far as I'm concerned, he hasn't truly repented and hasn't suffered enough for having done this in the first place. Of course... opinions differ.

AuntyAnn, the short answer is yes, but it is a subject that is highly controversial, especially among experts who are usually representing one side or another of a dispute. I recognize that the condition but admit to having no expertise.

Carlos
 

Carlos -

While I understand what you're saying about the lengths Martín went to in setting up this venganza scheme and how he tried to hush it up, this is all in the past in my opinion, and for me he's made up for it. Yet, I do understand why you feel the way you do.
As you say, opinions differ. What's fascinating to me is that you're so hard on Martín and so forgiving of Virginia. Well, that's what makes it all fun, doesn't it?

So is it gin and tonics all around at the end of this? Looking forward:)
 





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