Monday, October 05, 2015
Muchacha Italiana Viene a Casarse #30 Mon 10/5/15 (Mex 40) Roxi needs her throat punched, NOW!!
Ciao, Ragazza Italiana Peeps. Let's jump right in! Fiorella says NO to the long-haired, baggy-suited, ancient Mack Daddy, Vittorio Dragone, and we all heave a sigh of relief! Nope! She will stay at El Rancho de Los Angeles; she wants to clear her name and besides, she likes her work and is not just going to leave Sra. Eloisa alone suddenly. She will come to his home only after the wedding. Very well. Vitto has two conditions: She must tutear him (use the familiar form of address) and they must spend as much time together as possible! Fiorella's eyes are NOT burning with anticipation.
Gigi runs into the kitchen to continue working with Gael on her college registration stuff. The rabid racoon, Roxi, enters the kitchen hissing and spitting and tries to pick a fight about Gigi having been in the car the night Benito took her and drunk Aitana to the club. Since this doesn't get Gigi's goat, she grabs the folders with the college papers, pretends to read them, inserting her own childish venom and eventually rips the whole folder in two. Gianna screams and cries and runs to retrieve them, Gael right behind her.
Here's the other big sigh of relief. Pedro turns down Aitana's proposition to give their lurve another go. She thinks that after all they've been through, they've remade themselves and deserve to try again. Nope! Pedro doesn't have a head for "us", just for himself and the business. Sorry Charlie, only good tuna get to be Star-kissed! Pedro's outta there!
Sonia does a mini freak out over being pregnant and wonders who planted the spawn: Osvaldo or Fabio. Osvaldo enters the bedroom, she lies about being upset and proposes they make a little great grand for Granny. Ooops, coulda really used the tuna line for Sonia! Osvaldo has seen her use her feminine wiles too many times and they don't turn him on. Osvaldo's outta there! Sonia puts the pregnancy test stick under her pillow and texts Fabio: she's got to see him ASAP!
Back in the kitchen the hateful Roxi says all kinds of hateful things summed up by this phrase which really sticks out and makes me wish Sara could appear in the kitchen: "People like you don't have the right to dream. No university will accept an ignorant peasant like you!" Gael reassures Gianna he will get copies of the documents and escorts her from the kitchen. Roxi is just warming up. He's trying to make himself feel like a king by going for a sick servant girl. He's such a little man, a drug addict. All he's got going for him is his last name. Without that, he's nothing!
In Eloisa's bedroom, Freddie the loathsome leech latches onto Eloisa to make sure Ramiro as the mastermind behind the acidic eye drops story sticks. Freddie claims to have always gotten a bad vibe from him. Hmmm, Eloisa thinks that's curious as Ramiro really was kind of invisible and she never expressed such feelings before. Well, there's a lot she thinks that she doesn't say. There's a knock on the door. Dante enters to announce that charges have been pressed against Ramiro. Another knock. It's Aitana so Freddie and Dante leave. Outside Freddie expresses glee that Ramiro is taking the fall. Dante is not so sure. What if Ramiro can prove he's innocent? Freddie is NOT worried. Ramiro is a nobody. It's him against the whole might Angeles clan. Her phone announces a text. It's her lawyer. He's analyzed the documents she sent (which purport to show that her father, Gabriel, was swindled) and he's got news. We are saved from seeing the conclusion of a playful wrestling over the phone between Dante and Freddie, though Dante was not smiling.
Julieta is still in bandages. The Dr. says despite the decrease in pain, he still can't tell how much damage was done to her eyes. They have to wait until morning. Sergio and Anibal are there and argue over who will stay. The Dr. asks them to chill or get out. Sergio suggests Julieta choose. She chooses Anibal only because they have to talk "very seriously" about their marriage. Sergio leaves and promises to come back later. Anibal smarms over Julieta's hand that he's sure they'll settle things.
Back to the Eloisa/Aitana conversation. Aitana doesn't know what to do. Granny Eloisa is frustrated: she has told Aitana she will help her to conquer Pedro but Aitana must do her part. Okay friends, I've been pretty tolerant of Granny but, I'm sorry, an old woman trying to advise a young woman on how to touch the "intimate fibers" of her grandson, to soften and romance him, THAT'S the limit, disgusting and icky! I'm embarrassed to have heard the whole conversation. Granny is like "DO something or I'm going to think I was wrong about you!"
Fiorella calms Gianna down about the rabid Roxi. There are copies, relax, the hate is not good for her heart. She reminds her Gael is going to help her and the only thing that matters is that she is going to study. fiorella tells Gianna she is SO proud of her and gives her a motherly kiss on the forehead. Gianna does calm but then notes that Fiorella seems worried. Fifi tells her about Vitto's proposition. Fiorella admits she is falling more and more in love with Pedro each day. "Then why don't you risk everything for him and forget this foolish and absurd promise you made to Sr. Vitto!" Preach, Gianna!
Fidel, our Fairy Godfather, is with Pedro and notes that HE is down in the mouth as well and he ain't going to buy that it's about the business. It's about that muchacha Italiana, isn't it? Pedro admits it is. Fidel asks if he's really in love with her. Yes, Pedro is. Fidel asks Pedro to recall what his Abuelo Maximo said to him when they were playing (the magical, paranormal, ghostly) chest game. Pedro recalls, "He said the most important piece is the Queen." There's his answer, he has to risk it all for the Queen. But this is not a game, Pedro protests. Fidel agrees. It's more important than that; it's love. "Risk it all, go all in for the love you feel for Fiorella. . .it's that, or give up!"
People. The next scene at the dinner table was so horrible, I have to RPC it. Everyone is at the table except Sonia and Roxi tears into Gael again, mocking him for his interest in Gianna. Freddie started it by accusing Pedro of not having the energy to remember some supposed fantastic gesture Aitana made at a suprise birthday party for him because he was so exhausted from helping Fiorella. Anyway, between Roxi and Osvaldo they call him a retard, a masochist who is skilled at self-sabotage and destruction, a loser that no normal woman would want. Pedro makes a feeble attempt to defend him and Granny an even feebler one but mainly she warns him to obey the social rules that they didn't invent but must follow: An Angeles must aspire to much more than a mere servant. Gael finally gets enough of being bullied and runs from the table. Pedro follows suit. He's had enough of their idiotic comments and exits in a different direction than Gael. Granny wonders aloud where Sonia is. She's having dinner with a friend. Freddie and Roxie snicker.
Sonia is with Fabio and she's trying to touch his intimate fibers as well. She wonders if they can have something more stable: she's soooo tired of Osvaldo. Oooops. Fabio's phone rings. He's all brilliant smiles and Ti amos. Sonia is like what the . . . It's the little woman from Italy, she calls like eight times a day! Sonia is shocked! Yes, he's married, didn't he tell her? and she's expecting their THIRD child! Hey, what, Sonia!? Fabio stands and stammers at her back. Sonia's outta there!
Diana re-offers herself to Vitto who is taking out his frustration over Fiorella on the Dolce Vita staff.
Benito, Gianna, Fiorella and Fidel eat in the kitchen. Gianna and Benito get into it over the lamprey eel-like lip lock Roxi had on him at the club. Simoneta comes in with a message from Pedro for Fifi. Simoneta and Fidel look at the bickering Gigi and Benny and cluck that they think something is starting there. NO! I don't want Gigi with Benny!
Back at the hospital Anibal thinks they can save the marriage. Julieta thinks its too late. The serious marriage talk devolves in about ten seconds flat to his blaming her for his infidelities, she being shocked and hurt by his accusation, his dissing her quality as a wife because she's barren and her putting him out and never wanting to see him, no, really NEVER wanting to SEE him again and Julieta dissolving in tears. On his way out he accuses her of just wanting that stupid Sergio!
Meanwhile, at what should be El Rancho de los Diablos, Gael runs out into the darkness, the cruel words of the "family" echoing in his head. Gael falls to his knees and takes out his tube of dope. Gigi runs to him. Gael says he can't take it anymore. Gigi pleads that she's not sure all he means but it's not going to help and then he will feel worse! "All my life, since I was a child, they have dedicated themselves to making me feel useless, good for nothing, not important, not enough, like trash!" Giana grabs Gael and holds him, cradling his head against her breast. "Taking drugs will only turn you into what they say you are!" Gianna takes the tube and hurls it as hard as she can, into the night and then kneels and takes Gael into her arms again.
Sonia arrives back home, gets in a pissy fight with Osvaldo. She is maybe about to tell him about the pregnancy but she faints and we get about a ten second display of what looks like genuine concern on Osvaldo's part before we're whisked away to see what Pedro wanted with Fiorella.
Fiorella enters the darkened stable with a lantern. Pedro asks her to follow his voice. He is there with a beautiful horse, Albano, and tells the story of how, with mutual faith between him and the horse they were able to heal his fractured foot when the vet had advised that Albano should be put down. Okay, it's not very romantic. Or, well, maybe it is if you're a real horse lover, but anyway Pedro says, "The relationship between us is broken, like Albano's foot. We will have a thousand obstacles between us; people who will tell us we have no future together, that we're doomed to fail but it doesn't matter because I have faith in us. Together we can fight for this love because we love each other and nobody can tell us that we can't fight for a life together. What do you say? Will you fight with me?
And we are made to wait for tomorrow for the (hopefully uninterrupted) kiss!
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Next: Episode 31
Gigi runs into the kitchen to continue working with Gael on her college registration stuff. The rabid racoon, Roxi, enters the kitchen hissing and spitting and tries to pick a fight about Gigi having been in the car the night Benito took her and drunk Aitana to the club. Since this doesn't get Gigi's goat, she grabs the folders with the college papers, pretends to read them, inserting her own childish venom and eventually rips the whole folder in two. Gianna screams and cries and runs to retrieve them, Gael right behind her.
Here's the other big sigh of relief. Pedro turns down Aitana's proposition to give their lurve another go. She thinks that after all they've been through, they've remade themselves and deserve to try again. Nope! Pedro doesn't have a head for "us", just for himself and the business. Sorry Charlie, only good tuna get to be Star-kissed! Pedro's outta there!
Sonia does a mini freak out over being pregnant and wonders who planted the spawn: Osvaldo or Fabio. Osvaldo enters the bedroom, she lies about being upset and proposes they make a little great grand for Granny. Ooops, coulda really used the tuna line for Sonia! Osvaldo has seen her use her feminine wiles too many times and they don't turn him on. Osvaldo's outta there! Sonia puts the pregnancy test stick under her pillow and texts Fabio: she's got to see him ASAP!
Back in the kitchen the hateful Roxi says all kinds of hateful things summed up by this phrase which really sticks out and makes me wish Sara could appear in the kitchen: "People like you don't have the right to dream. No university will accept an ignorant peasant like you!" Gael reassures Gianna he will get copies of the documents and escorts her from the kitchen. Roxi is just warming up. He's trying to make himself feel like a king by going for a sick servant girl. He's such a little man, a drug addict. All he's got going for him is his last name. Without that, he's nothing!
In Eloisa's bedroom, Freddie the loathsome leech latches onto Eloisa to make sure Ramiro as the mastermind behind the acidic eye drops story sticks. Freddie claims to have always gotten a bad vibe from him. Hmmm, Eloisa thinks that's curious as Ramiro really was kind of invisible and she never expressed such feelings before. Well, there's a lot she thinks that she doesn't say. There's a knock on the door. Dante enters to announce that charges have been pressed against Ramiro. Another knock. It's Aitana so Freddie and Dante leave. Outside Freddie expresses glee that Ramiro is taking the fall. Dante is not so sure. What if Ramiro can prove he's innocent? Freddie is NOT worried. Ramiro is a nobody. It's him against the whole might Angeles clan. Her phone announces a text. It's her lawyer. He's analyzed the documents she sent (which purport to show that her father, Gabriel, was swindled) and he's got news. We are saved from seeing the conclusion of a playful wrestling over the phone between Dante and Freddie, though Dante was not smiling.
Julieta is still in bandages. The Dr. says despite the decrease in pain, he still can't tell how much damage was done to her eyes. They have to wait until morning. Sergio and Anibal are there and argue over who will stay. The Dr. asks them to chill or get out. Sergio suggests Julieta choose. She chooses Anibal only because they have to talk "very seriously" about their marriage. Sergio leaves and promises to come back later. Anibal smarms over Julieta's hand that he's sure they'll settle things.
Back to the Eloisa/Aitana conversation. Aitana doesn't know what to do. Granny Eloisa is frustrated: she has told Aitana she will help her to conquer Pedro but Aitana must do her part. Okay friends, I've been pretty tolerant of Granny but, I'm sorry, an old woman trying to advise a young woman on how to touch the "intimate fibers" of her grandson, to soften and romance him, THAT'S the limit, disgusting and icky! I'm embarrassed to have heard the whole conversation. Granny is like "DO something or I'm going to think I was wrong about you!"
Fiorella calms Gianna down about the rabid Roxi. There are copies, relax, the hate is not good for her heart. She reminds her Gael is going to help her and the only thing that matters is that she is going to study. fiorella tells Gianna she is SO proud of her and gives her a motherly kiss on the forehead. Gianna does calm but then notes that Fiorella seems worried. Fifi tells her about Vitto's proposition. Fiorella admits she is falling more and more in love with Pedro each day. "Then why don't you risk everything for him and forget this foolish and absurd promise you made to Sr. Vitto!" Preach, Gianna!
Fidel, our Fairy Godfather, is with Pedro and notes that HE is down in the mouth as well and he ain't going to buy that it's about the business. It's about that muchacha Italiana, isn't it? Pedro admits it is. Fidel asks if he's really in love with her. Yes, Pedro is. Fidel asks Pedro to recall what his Abuelo Maximo said to him when they were playing (the magical, paranormal, ghostly) chest game. Pedro recalls, "He said the most important piece is the Queen." There's his answer, he has to risk it all for the Queen. But this is not a game, Pedro protests. Fidel agrees. It's more important than that; it's love. "Risk it all, go all in for the love you feel for Fiorella. . .it's that, or give up!"
People. The next scene at the dinner table was so horrible, I have to RPC it. Everyone is at the table except Sonia and Roxi tears into Gael again, mocking him for his interest in Gianna. Freddie started it by accusing Pedro of not having the energy to remember some supposed fantastic gesture Aitana made at a suprise birthday party for him because he was so exhausted from helping Fiorella. Anyway, between Roxi and Osvaldo they call him a retard, a masochist who is skilled at self-sabotage and destruction, a loser that no normal woman would want. Pedro makes a feeble attempt to defend him and Granny an even feebler one but mainly she warns him to obey the social rules that they didn't invent but must follow: An Angeles must aspire to much more than a mere servant. Gael finally gets enough of being bullied and runs from the table. Pedro follows suit. He's had enough of their idiotic comments and exits in a different direction than Gael. Granny wonders aloud where Sonia is. She's having dinner with a friend. Freddie and Roxie snicker.
Sonia is with Fabio and she's trying to touch his intimate fibers as well. She wonders if they can have something more stable: she's soooo tired of Osvaldo. Oooops. Fabio's phone rings. He's all brilliant smiles and Ti amos. Sonia is like what the . . . It's the little woman from Italy, she calls like eight times a day! Sonia is shocked! Yes, he's married, didn't he tell her? and she's expecting their THIRD child! Hey, what, Sonia!? Fabio stands and stammers at her back. Sonia's outta there!
Diana re-offers herself to Vitto who is taking out his frustration over Fiorella on the Dolce Vita staff.
Benito, Gianna, Fiorella and Fidel eat in the kitchen. Gianna and Benito get into it over the lamprey eel-like lip lock Roxi had on him at the club. Simoneta comes in with a message from Pedro for Fifi. Simoneta and Fidel look at the bickering Gigi and Benny and cluck that they think something is starting there. NO! I don't want Gigi with Benny!
Back at the hospital Anibal thinks they can save the marriage. Julieta thinks its too late. The serious marriage talk devolves in about ten seconds flat to his blaming her for his infidelities, she being shocked and hurt by his accusation, his dissing her quality as a wife because she's barren and her putting him out and never wanting to see him, no, really NEVER wanting to SEE him again and Julieta dissolving in tears. On his way out he accuses her of just wanting that stupid Sergio!
Meanwhile, at what should be El Rancho de los Diablos, Gael runs out into the darkness, the cruel words of the "family" echoing in his head. Gael falls to his knees and takes out his tube of dope. Gigi runs to him. Gael says he can't take it anymore. Gigi pleads that she's not sure all he means but it's not going to help and then he will feel worse! "All my life, since I was a child, they have dedicated themselves to making me feel useless, good for nothing, not important, not enough, like trash!" Giana grabs Gael and holds him, cradling his head against her breast. "Taking drugs will only turn you into what they say you are!" Gianna takes the tube and hurls it as hard as she can, into the night and then kneels and takes Gael into her arms again.
Sonia arrives back home, gets in a pissy fight with Osvaldo. She is maybe about to tell him about the pregnancy but she faints and we get about a ten second display of what looks like genuine concern on Osvaldo's part before we're whisked away to see what Pedro wanted with Fiorella.
Fiorella enters the darkened stable with a lantern. Pedro asks her to follow his voice. He is there with a beautiful horse, Albano, and tells the story of how, with mutual faith between him and the horse they were able to heal his fractured foot when the vet had advised that Albano should be put down. Okay, it's not very romantic. Or, well, maybe it is if you're a real horse lover, but anyway Pedro says, "The relationship between us is broken, like Albano's foot. We will have a thousand obstacles between us; people who will tell us we have no future together, that we're doomed to fail but it doesn't matter because I have faith in us. Together we can fight for this love because we love each other and nobody can tell us that we can't fight for a life together. What do you say? Will you fight with me?
And we are made to wait for tomorrow for the (hopefully uninterrupted) kiss!
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Lila, sometimes it feels like by the time I finish viewing the episode, the rest of you Easties are all fast asleep! So it's always a thrill to find a recap posted for me to read before I retire. Thanks for a stirring and fabulous recap Lila!!!
"... I'm sorry, an old woman trying to advise a young woman on how to touch the intimate fibers of her grandson, to soften and romance him, THAT'S the limit..." I agree 100%, it felt icky having Eloisa advising Aitana about stirring Pedro's romantic fibers or whatever the heck that was. Sheesh, Grandma, is nothing sacred?
The family dinner was so uncomfortable to watch, with everyone beating up on poor Gael. It was a lesson in classism, led by Eloisa, although she was trying to be more humane than the others.
Loved the nosey horse! Great scene in the stable, however, will it be enough to sway Fifi? (Anyone know if horse's broken feet heal spontaneously?)
Okay to bed, thanks again Lila,
J in Oregon
"... I'm sorry, an old woman trying to advise a young woman on how to touch the intimate fibers of her grandson, to soften and romance him, THAT'S the limit..." I agree 100%, it felt icky having Eloisa advising Aitana about stirring Pedro's romantic fibers or whatever the heck that was. Sheesh, Grandma, is nothing sacred?
The family dinner was so uncomfortable to watch, with everyone beating up on poor Gael. It was a lesson in classism, led by Eloisa, although she was trying to be more humane than the others.
Loved the nosey horse! Great scene in the stable, however, will it be enough to sway Fifi? (Anyone know if horse's broken feet heal spontaneously?)
Okay to bed, thanks again Lila,
J in Oregon
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: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 12:21:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 12:21:00 AM EDT
Good work, Lila.
I think the horse is healed or Pedro was making the whole thing up. But who knows more about the coming uphill battle than Pedro?
Rox sank to a new low this time and took most of the family with her. Even Anibal who wasn't even there. And while I think Julieta is a world-class bitch, even she doesn't deserve what he dishes out.
I think the horse is healed or Pedro was making the whole thing up. But who knows more about the coming uphill battle than Pedro?
Rox sank to a new low this time and took most of the family with her. Even Anibal who wasn't even there. And while I think Julieta is a world-class bitch, even she doesn't deserve what he dishes out.
thanks, Lila, for yet another rocking report on the madness.
yikes...abuela tutoring Aitana on Pedro's "romantic fibers'...wait...what..no...just no.
Rotten Roxy is on my last nerve. She reminds me of catty girks I have had in detention hall. She is insufferable.Cue the rabid raccoon.
yikes...abuela tutoring Aitana on Pedro's "romantic fibers'...wait...what..no...just no.
Rotten Roxy is on my last nerve. She reminds me of catty girks I have had in detention hall. She is insufferable.Cue the rabid raccoon.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 5:55:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 5:55:00 AM EDT
Lila- I don't know how you had the patience and stamina to recap the scenes with Roxy the Rabid Racoon, and the dinner table scene when everyone beat up on Gael and Granny gave a lesson in classism. Blech! And amen about the creepiness in her giving lessons to Aitana about seducing Pedro.
I really wish Pedro were more forceful about calling out Eloisa and the family at the table. It does not leave me confident that if Fi did throw herself into his arms and accepted his love, that we'd actually see him lay it all on the line and publicly defy Eloisa. If I were Fi, I wouldn't be able to forget how he hid and denied Tania.
I really wish Pedro were more forceful about calling out Eloisa and the family at the table. It does not leave me confident that if Fi did throw herself into his arms and accepted his love, that we'd actually see him lay it all on the line and publicly defy Eloisa. If I were Fi, I wouldn't be able to forget how he hid and denied Tania.
Pedro is still young enough to learn. His position as CEO of the family business (which I think is the Herdez company, after having seen their posters in the office) hinges on his sense of responsibility and his competence. No other member of this family appears to have either trait.
He could do what Alejandro in Ramona did, which would be to threaten resignation if Eloisa refused to accept Fiorella as his bride. She is the only one whose opinion matters. Sergio would back him and I'm sure Gael would, too.
More on the subject of Rox: If Eloisa could have witnessed what went on in the kitchen I think she would have thrown her out. This was beyond disrespectful; it was cruel beyond belief. It makes me wonder why she wasn't shipped off to a convent school years ago.
He could do what Alejandro in Ramona did, which would be to threaten resignation if Eloisa refused to accept Fiorella as his bride. She is the only one whose opinion matters. Sergio would back him and I'm sure Gael would, too.
More on the subject of Rox: If Eloisa could have witnessed what went on in the kitchen I think she would have thrown her out. This was beyond disrespectful; it was cruel beyond belief. It makes me wonder why she wasn't shipped off to a convent school years ago.
Urban- Because, according to what we learned early on, Max coddled and spoiled her. I'm sire Eloisa would have shipped her off otherwise.
Thank you, Lila. I'm with Vivi, I don't know how you recapped all of Rox's ranting without lacing the recap with profanities. I'm trying not to lace my comment with them!
A pox on Rox!
A pox on Rox!
Hi, Lila. Well, I'm finally back up to speed on this, and really appreciate your recap.
Boy, they're really setting Roxy up for a precipitous fall from "grace." At some point her crass, unclassy behavior is going to finally get Eloisa's goat, and her haughty days will be over.
When Sonia was considering who could be her baby's father, she did not mention Pedro - ergo, they did not do the deed.
I wonder if Gigi will be able to save Gael from himself. He seemed to be open to this, but a relationship with her, by definition within the family, will underscore his worthlessness.
I was not as offended by Eloisa coaching Aitana as the rest of you, and anyway, I didn't understand it as coaching so much as a frustrated Eloisa telling Aitana to use her feminine wiles to get Pedro's interest. AND I was encouraged to hear her say that if she couldn't do even that, then maybe Eloisa's confidence in her was misplaced.
Very happy that Fi isn't going to live with Vito "until the day of the wedding" which I hope means "never."
Thanks again, Lila.
David
Boy, they're really setting Roxy up for a precipitous fall from "grace." At some point her crass, unclassy behavior is going to finally get Eloisa's goat, and her haughty days will be over.
When Sonia was considering who could be her baby's father, she did not mention Pedro - ergo, they did not do the deed.
I wonder if Gigi will be able to save Gael from himself. He seemed to be open to this, but a relationship with her, by definition within the family, will underscore his worthlessness.
I was not as offended by Eloisa coaching Aitana as the rest of you, and anyway, I didn't understand it as coaching so much as a frustrated Eloisa telling Aitana to use her feminine wiles to get Pedro's interest. AND I was encouraged to hear her say that if she couldn't do even that, then maybe Eloisa's confidence in her was misplaced.
Very happy that Fi isn't going to live with Vito "until the day of the wedding" which I hope means "never."
Thanks again, Lila.
David
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 7:32:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 7:32:00 AM EDT
Buongiorno e mille grazie mia sorella dell'Occidente, J in O Yes, my dear, you are right! With today being a weekday, I had to scurry off to bed. So glad to oblige by having the recap hot off the press for ya, J!
J. I felt so sorry for Gael! He looked as if he wanted the earth to open up and swallow him! Thank goodness Gigi found out about the bullying and ran to him! Gosh, I love those two together.
Oh, poopy cakes! I gotta go do stuff to get ready to go to work. Sometimes the cat's away so hopefully I can play on the patio!
Ci vediamo tutti più tardi! See you all later!
J. I felt so sorry for Gael! He looked as if he wanted the earth to open up and swallow him! Thank goodness Gigi found out about the bullying and ran to him! Gosh, I love those two together.
Oh, poopy cakes! I gotta go do stuff to get ready to go to work. Sometimes the cat's away so hopefully I can play on the patio!
Ci vediamo tutti più tardi! See you all later!
Lila - thank you for the recap!
This was another one that I mostly FFWD--> thru the crying and screaming.
I hated that narcissistic vulture family dinner scene. Poor Gael .... his drug use is a symptom of deeper problems, like poor self worth/esteem and an awful family.
Noticed last night that Fedor-ica had a red Kabbalah string on her wrist. I thought Maximo's memorial service was in a Catholic church. What-evs.
Roxi Raccoon needs a massive anvil to hit her. Her biggest problem is that nobody ever gave her a parent figure, so she has no authority figure in her life and thus, has no respect for anyone or anything.
Anibal is a complete jerk. Promising to go to marriage therapy but the minute Julieta points a finger at him, he turns the tables and .... it's all HER fault. This guy needs an even larger anvil. Or better yet, a train locomotive to hit him.
Fidel is our only "voice of reason" in this telenovela. Bless his heart! Goodness knows, there's no priest anywhere on the scene within miles of this pack of jackals. If they had a priest, he would need to be a specialist in exorcisms.
Eh, yeah, Pedro, I'll believe you're going to "luchar" for your love when you actually DO IT. Dude, actions speak louder than words. Ya basta! Announce it to your family already.
I'm so sick of Seaweed Hair girl and her hair. WHO walks around the house all day in a cocktail dress with bling on it?
How long til Sonia tries to pin her pregnancy on Pedro? Didn't she and Assvaldo do-the-deed a few episodes before she kicked boots with Fabio?
This was another one that I mostly FFWD--> thru the crying and screaming.
I hated that narcissistic vulture family dinner scene. Poor Gael .... his drug use is a symptom of deeper problems, like poor self worth/esteem and an awful family.
Noticed last night that Fedor-ica had a red Kabbalah string on her wrist. I thought Maximo's memorial service was in a Catholic church. What-evs.
Roxi Raccoon needs a massive anvil to hit her. Her biggest problem is that nobody ever gave her a parent figure, so she has no authority figure in her life and thus, has no respect for anyone or anything.
Anibal is a complete jerk. Promising to go to marriage therapy but the minute Julieta points a finger at him, he turns the tables and .... it's all HER fault. This guy needs an even larger anvil. Or better yet, a train locomotive to hit him.
Fidel is our only "voice of reason" in this telenovela. Bless his heart! Goodness knows, there's no priest anywhere on the scene within miles of this pack of jackals. If they had a priest, he would need to be a specialist in exorcisms.
Eh, yeah, Pedro, I'll believe you're going to "luchar" for your love when you actually DO IT. Dude, actions speak louder than words. Ya basta! Announce it to your family already.
I'm so sick of Seaweed Hair girl and her hair. WHO walks around the house all day in a cocktail dress with bling on it?
How long til Sonia tries to pin her pregnancy on Pedro? Didn't she and Assvaldo do-the-deed a few episodes before she kicked boots with Fabio?
Lila, there was so much to savor in your delicious recap.
"Fiorella says NO to the long-haired, baggy-suited, ancient Mack Daddy, Vittorio Dragon", "Anibal smarms over Julieta's hand" and "Fidel, our Fairy Godfather
Diana re-offers herself to Vitto" were a few of my favorites.
"An Angeles must aspire to much more than a mere servant". Eloisa, you matter not a whit to me now. Now, get on your broom and fly off. You have a huge holiday coming up at the end of this month.
I loved the Albano story and “Together we can fight for this love because we love each other and nobody can tell us that we can't fight for a life together” touched me. Another highly hoped for promise of romance.
Gael's storyline is so very sad. He has been driven to the depths of despair. I'm happy that Gi is there for him and if they end up in love or as dear friends, her hope and kindness will guide him and hopefully, give him courage. I agree David that Granny's declaration will certainly not fan the flames of romance and Gael will have a long road before he can build up any confidence, let alone defy his grandmother and her elitism.
Vivi, I am also disappointed in Pedro. I believe his respect for his grandmother is clouding his judgement. He needs to show and tell that he is in love for Fiorella. It is not a secret for her ears only.
Roxy is horrific. Her poor mother's heart must break a little more at each successive tirade. You're right UA "Rox sank to a new low this time and took most of the family with her". Ack.
Thank you Lila!
Diana
"Fiorella says NO to the long-haired, baggy-suited, ancient Mack Daddy, Vittorio Dragon", "Anibal smarms over Julieta's hand" and "Fidel, our Fairy Godfather
Diana re-offers herself to Vitto" were a few of my favorites.
"An Angeles must aspire to much more than a mere servant". Eloisa, you matter not a whit to me now. Now, get on your broom and fly off. You have a huge holiday coming up at the end of this month.
I loved the Albano story and “Together we can fight for this love because we love each other and nobody can tell us that we can't fight for a life together” touched me. Another highly hoped for promise of romance.
Gael's storyline is so very sad. He has been driven to the depths of despair. I'm happy that Gi is there for him and if they end up in love or as dear friends, her hope and kindness will guide him and hopefully, give him courage. I agree David that Granny's declaration will certainly not fan the flames of romance and Gael will have a long road before he can build up any confidence, let alone defy his grandmother and her elitism.
Vivi, I am also disappointed in Pedro. I believe his respect for his grandmother is clouding his judgement. He needs to show and tell that he is in love for Fiorella. It is not a secret for her ears only.
Roxy is horrific. Her poor mother's heart must break a little more at each successive tirade. You're right UA "Rox sank to a new low this time and took most of the family with her". Ack.
Thank you Lila!
Diana
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 8:11:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 8:11:00 AM EDT
Buongiorno a tutti! Grazie, Urban, Sara, Susanlynn, Vivi, e David!
Yes, good name for an alternate title, Sara, A Pox on Rox! What a miserable smear of a human being. David, you are right, she IS getting set up for a BIG fall from grace and I can't wait to see it! She will die of mortification to learn that her mother is a "mere servant!"
As for Granny's advice to Aitana. Granny should know, what with them almost being at the altar, that Aitana has been all UP in Pedro's "intimate fibers," and apparently Pedro is not interested in having her there again. Where is that Almighty Angeles Pride that they were beating the crap out of Gael with? Is that not "outside the range" of an Angeles to have that furry heffa dump Pedro, the CEO and Beloved of Maximo, as they're about to tie the knot?
Naw, Granny needs to back off and let Pedro decide what inflames his fibers and if he would, as Vivi said, be more forceful with Granny, she wouldn't be running around trying to tell this loser chick how to turn him on but be trying to help Fiorella fit into Pedro's world!
Yes, good name for an alternate title, Sara, A Pox on Rox! What a miserable smear of a human being. David, you are right, she IS getting set up for a BIG fall from grace and I can't wait to see it! She will die of mortification to learn that her mother is a "mere servant!"
As for Granny's advice to Aitana. Granny should know, what with them almost being at the altar, that Aitana has been all UP in Pedro's "intimate fibers," and apparently Pedro is not interested in having her there again. Where is that Almighty Angeles Pride that they were beating the crap out of Gael with? Is that not "outside the range" of an Angeles to have that furry heffa dump Pedro, the CEO and Beloved of Maximo, as they're about to tie the knot?
Naw, Granny needs to back off and let Pedro decide what inflames his fibers and if he would, as Vivi said, be more forceful with Granny, she wouldn't be running around trying to tell this loser chick how to turn him on but be trying to help Fiorella fit into Pedro's world!
Doris! Sorella mia! Gael needs us! Your diagnosis is right on! They've been abusing this poor guy since he was a child! How loathesome is Granny to let that happen and all of them for continuing it! Even his own brother!
Yes, Fidel is our voice of reason and secular priest!
Seaweed Hair girl Ha hahahha! What else we got, someone named her Cousin It! Love it!
Diana! Love this: Eloisa, you matter not a whit to me now. Now, get on your broom and fly off. You have a huge holiday coming up at the end of this month. HA!
Yes, Fidel is our voice of reason and secular priest!
Seaweed Hair girl Ha hahahha! What else we got, someone named her Cousin It! Love it!
Diana! Love this: Eloisa, you matter not a whit to me now. Now, get on your broom and fly off. You have a huge holiday coming up at the end of this month. HA!
These people are the WORST!!! Poor Gael. Even I feel abused after listening to their hateful words at dinner.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 10:32:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 10:32:00 AM EDT
The only mentor Fiorella is likely to find would be Joaquina. She has a lot of maternal frustration that could be worked out that way. She's been with this family forever and didn't get to raise her own daughter. She knows the surface and undercurrent of this world. I'm sure she wouldn't mind helping Fiorella since Rox doesn't appreciate her.
Lila, bless you for this recap. What a trying episode. I started thinking it was dull and then all h*** broke loose. Such a trooper taking the hit to get this all down in detail for us.
All I can say is this place is a den of vipers and both our male galans should get the hell out of there. There was not a sorry look by any of them when Pedro called them out...and worst of all was Eloisa. I'm sorry, as the Matriarch, she rules that roost, and there should have been a fist down on the table shouting "Enough" as the insults were hurled. Instead she looks at a broken Gael and mutters her absurdities about status and whatevers. About made me physically sick.
And when Gael reached for the drugs, my heart sank until Super Gia showed up. Bless her, hope these two can weather this together. Ok, I'm still shaking just thinking about that whole fiasco.
Sure Roxy was disgusting, but they all are and she just feeds off the hatred and sense of entitlement they all possess. It will be with the utmost pleasure to watch when she learns she is has that "peasant" blood running through her veins as well.
And as for Cousin It and Eloisa...again, that old bat is a meddlesome snob and is the root cause for all the mess in this family. Any shred of understanding we were led to have for her went right out the window last night. (Oh, and add to that her sitting with Freddie Frankenstein and laughing away...those two deserve each other.)
I would love to say don't care about Sonia, but somehow this is going to come back to haunt Pedro.
If Fifi comes back to Pedro tonight with the "Oh, I have to honor my promise", maybe we can hope the horse gives her a good swift kick to knock some sense into her.
Daisynjay
All I can say is this place is a den of vipers and both our male galans should get the hell out of there. There was not a sorry look by any of them when Pedro called them out...and worst of all was Eloisa. I'm sorry, as the Matriarch, she rules that roost, and there should have been a fist down on the table shouting "Enough" as the insults were hurled. Instead she looks at a broken Gael and mutters her absurdities about status and whatevers. About made me physically sick.
And when Gael reached for the drugs, my heart sank until Super Gia showed up. Bless her, hope these two can weather this together. Ok, I'm still shaking just thinking about that whole fiasco.
Sure Roxy was disgusting, but they all are and she just feeds off the hatred and sense of entitlement they all possess. It will be with the utmost pleasure to watch when she learns she is has that "peasant" blood running through her veins as well.
And as for Cousin It and Eloisa...again, that old bat is a meddlesome snob and is the root cause for all the mess in this family. Any shred of understanding we were led to have for her went right out the window last night. (Oh, and add to that her sitting with Freddie Frankenstein and laughing away...those two deserve each other.)
I would love to say don't care about Sonia, but somehow this is going to come back to haunt Pedro.
If Fifi comes back to Pedro tonight with the "Oh, I have to honor my promise", maybe we can hope the horse gives her a good swift kick to knock some sense into her.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 10:50:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 10:50:00 AM EDT
Awesome Lila
"Sorry Charlie, only good tuna get to be Star-kissed!"
"NO! I don't want Gigi with Benny!"
With Fio's imminent departure why isn't Eloise interviewing for a replacement assistant. Why hasn't Freddie offered someone up?
What a lame excuse, not living with Vitto before marriage. Wasn't the assumption she would when Fio got to Mexico?
Pedro, Pedro, Pedro, dude a horses broke leg and love between you and Fio, the horse should have kicked you. TLC and a good vet can fix that leg but nooobody can fix stupid.
Eloise loves the nastiness at table. They say what she wants to.
"Sorry Charlie, only good tuna get to be Star-kissed!"
"NO! I don't want Gigi with Benny!"
With Fio's imminent departure why isn't Eloise interviewing for a replacement assistant. Why hasn't Freddie offered someone up?
What a lame excuse, not living with Vitto before marriage. Wasn't the assumption she would when Fio got to Mexico?
Pedro, Pedro, Pedro, dude a horses broke leg and love between you and Fio, the horse should have kicked you. TLC and a good vet can fix that leg but nooobody can fix stupid.
Eloise loves the nastiness at table. They say what she wants to.
It's not like Fiorella is some kind of uncouth country bumpkin. She speaks two languages, is smart, has more manners, is harder working, and has more class than we have seen in anyone in that family. What exactly would she need to learn to be "acceptable" to their class? Her Spanish just needs to become a bit more fluent, but that comes with time.
I agree Vivi, but we've seen with Fifi even in her Italy wedding shoppe job, she lacks confidence. She doesn't see her skill sets and survival abilities as something to be proud of. In work, she feels inferior because her work has been of the assistant or lower ranking kind and she can't disassociate that with her interactions in everything. If she could just maybe take some classes herself, or do something that would boost her confidence, we would see her be stronger in how she handles thing. Only when it comes to Gianna, then her mother hen takes over.
I hope Gianna isn't the only one we see grow and be able to look these people in the eye and tell them to take a hike as we move along. I will be disappointed if they keep playing Fifi as the milquetoast and easily frightened through most of this. It's one thing to be an assistant/step up from a servant, and be treated like garbage. Or be manipulated like Vitto is doing. Sorry, he knows he's playing with someone who is innocent and too trusting. He's not stupid and he is taking advantage of that...makes it all the more lecherous on his part.
Daisynjay
I hope Gianna isn't the only one we see grow and be able to look these people in the eye and tell them to take a hike as we move along. I will be disappointed if they keep playing Fifi as the milquetoast and easily frightened through most of this. It's one thing to be an assistant/step up from a servant, and be treated like garbage. Or be manipulated like Vitto is doing. Sorry, he knows he's playing with someone who is innocent and too trusting. He's not stupid and he is taking advantage of that...makes it all the more lecherous on his part.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 11:32:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 11:32:00 AM EDT
Too many moneyed people -- if the money is old enough -- don't want to believe that anyone can come up to join their world and compete for its glittering prizes. That idea scares the living daylights out of them and they hide their fear behind snobbery. This is one of the reasons that free public education is going to hell in so many places in the US.
Fiorella is no country bumpkin but she is also not a sophisticated city slicker. She is a sheltered young woman with the equivalent of a high school education. She's worked at comparatively menial jobs since her mother's death and been a maternal influence on Gianna, who is even more sheltered.
The ironically-named Angeles family hasn't forgiven Sonia for being an outsider. While Gia and Fiorella have far better manners they are not perceived as coming from anything better because of how they got there in the first place.
Now that it's known that Fiorella is to marry Vittorio, they will see her as a gold-digger with a far stronger stomach than Sonia's. That's not working in her favor.
Fiorella is no country bumpkin but she is also not a sophisticated city slicker. She is a sheltered young woman with the equivalent of a high school education. She's worked at comparatively menial jobs since her mother's death and been a maternal influence on Gianna, who is even more sheltered.
The ironically-named Angeles family hasn't forgiven Sonia for being an outsider. While Gia and Fiorella have far better manners they are not perceived as coming from anything better because of how they got there in the first place.
Now that it's known that Fiorella is to marry Vittorio, they will see her as a gold-digger with a far stronger stomach than Sonia's. That's not working in her favor.
Urban, I've counted Fifi's allies several times and had a question mark for Quina. She could be helpful to Fiorella, as long as she doesn't breathe a word against that raging harpy, Roxi!
Ciao, Daisynjay! Mille grazie. I seem to have a talent for getting smack downs and mack downs, it's okay! It's all for the team and my Patio Peeps!
Shame on Granny for letting them bully Gael like that. Does she have to find him hanging to know how hurt he is!
Amen: If Fifi comes back to Pedro tonight with the "Oh, I have to honor my promise", maybe we can hope the horse gives her a good swift kick to knock some sense into her.
Okay, back to work stuff. later!
Ciao, Daisynjay! Mille grazie. I seem to have a talent for getting smack downs and mack downs, it's okay! It's all for the team and my Patio Peeps!
Shame on Granny for letting them bully Gael like that. Does she have to find him hanging to know how hurt he is!
Amen: If Fifi comes back to Pedro tonight with the "Oh, I have to honor my promise", maybe we can hope the horse gives her a good swift kick to knock some sense into her.
Okay, back to work stuff. later!
I'll second that one. It will take more than just Gia to tell her she doesn't need to honor a promise made as the result of a lie.
Tofie! Grazie! You speak TRUTH:
Pedro, Pedro, Pedro, dude a horses broke leg and love between you and Fio, the horse should have kicked you. TLC and a good vet can fix that leg but nooobody can fix stupid.
Vivi at 11:05, your question is Right On! She DOESN'T need to be hosed down and tamed! She is NOT feral! THEY are just hopeless snobs!
Love your comment at 11:39, Urban!
Pedro, Pedro, Pedro, dude a horses broke leg and love between you and Fio, the horse should have kicked you. TLC and a good vet can fix that leg but nooobody can fix stupid.
Vivi at 11:05, your question is Right On! She DOESN'T need to be hosed down and tamed! She is NOT feral! THEY are just hopeless snobs!
Love your comment at 11:39, Urban!
Ok, so a comment I THOUGHT went through went into the black hole, but in thinking of Vivi's comment, I agree that everyone reacts to Fi as a bumpkin or "servant". Part of their snobbery.
But I also think, Fifi has a poor sense of self in regards to her own skills and how she has had to be mother, nursemaid, wage-earner, in the past. Most likely because her work has been more what could be thought of as menial, unfairly, she seems to translate that to how she deals with people in general. We saw that back in Italy. She is easily made fearful by anyone she feels is "better" or more in authority than she is, whether they are or not. Has a lot to do with how she is handling Vitto too...and the schmuck that he is, I think he knows that full well and is playing on that innocence. Lecherous old coot.
I want to see Fifi get more confidence...somehow through taking classes herself, something. I don't want her left to be browbeat through this whole thing. Wonderful to see Gia growing, but let's bring Fi along with that too. Hey Pedro, maybe get her out of the house and into a job at the business? He sees the vipers first hand... do something about taking the women you claim to love out of that.
Daisynjay
But I also think, Fifi has a poor sense of self in regards to her own skills and how she has had to be mother, nursemaid, wage-earner, in the past. Most likely because her work has been more what could be thought of as menial, unfairly, she seems to translate that to how she deals with people in general. We saw that back in Italy. She is easily made fearful by anyone she feels is "better" or more in authority than she is, whether they are or not. Has a lot to do with how she is handling Vitto too...and the schmuck that he is, I think he knows that full well and is playing on that innocence. Lecherous old coot.
I want to see Fifi get more confidence...somehow through taking classes herself, something. I don't want her left to be browbeat through this whole thing. Wonderful to see Gia growing, but let's bring Fi along with that too. Hey Pedro, maybe get her out of the house and into a job at the business? He sees the vipers first hand... do something about taking the women you claim to love out of that.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 12:53:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 12:53:00 PM EDT
Daisynjay- Problem is that Fi has put herself in the "mother" role. In her mind, her main job is to make sure Gi gets an education, healthcare, and housing. There was talk back in Italy about how she dropped out of college to support the family, after mom died and dad got sick, on top of an already sick Gi. I think it will take a while for Fi to stop seeing herself as mother/provider, and sees that she also needs to take advantage of opportunities to move herself forward and fulfill her dreams.
Daisy, I like what you say as well. When I say that if Pedro owned up to his love for Fiorella that Granny could better spend her time helping Fiorella fit into Pedro's world, I am looking through the Angeles lens at those aspects of her character that they think are lacking in Fiorella to allow her to blend in with them.
Now, in reality, I do think THEY could learn some things from her. Agree with Daisy that she needs some more self confidence; confidence in the assertiveness and feistiness we've seen; in her deep sense of integrity, her penchant for seeing and telling it like it is. Fiorella is in a maternal sacrificial role. When she was comforting Gianna she was telling her very clearly that Gianna DOES have a right to dream but she doesn't believe that about herself.
The first time outside the employee quarters when Pedro declared his love and asked her to fight with him she even said it was a nice dream that could never come true!
I don't know if the horse analogy or the horsie's kick will do it but she needs to grow into a firm sense of herself as a capable woman worthy of having and pursuing dreams of her own and not just being the wind beneath Gianna's wings or the fulfillment of what she thinks is a promise to her Father.
Now, in reality, I do think THEY could learn some things from her. Agree with Daisy that she needs some more self confidence; confidence in the assertiveness and feistiness we've seen; in her deep sense of integrity, her penchant for seeing and telling it like it is. Fiorella is in a maternal sacrificial role. When she was comforting Gianna she was telling her very clearly that Gianna DOES have a right to dream but she doesn't believe that about herself.
The first time outside the employee quarters when Pedro declared his love and asked her to fight with him she even said it was a nice dream that could never come true!
I don't know if the horse analogy or the horsie's kick will do it but she needs to grow into a firm sense of herself as a capable woman worthy of having and pursuing dreams of her own and not just being the wind beneath Gianna's wings or the fulfillment of what she thinks is a promise to her Father.
Wow, Vivi! I was composing while you were posting and we're on the same wavelength! Fiorella is every bit Gianna's mother and the scenes with them are really sweet. Gianna is telling Fiorella what we are telling her and what Fidel is telling Pedro: Live your own life, fight for your right to Love, Live the Dream!
I wish Mario would appear to her in a dream and tell her she doesn't have to marry Vittorio. There's no way he could have imagined it would go like this. He must have thought that Vittorio would assume a paternal role for the two girls. He has to have hoped that both girls would have the chance to marry por amore.
Agree, Urban! If Pedro can play chess with Maximo! why can't Fiorella have a heart to heart with Mario! where he tells her exactly what you just said above! Apparently Maximo! can speak to Pedro's current situation, so Mario! should be able to speak to Fiorella's!
Ghost Equality!
Ghost Equality!
Fio had that dream of a wedding but Mario was the priest and did not answer her clearly when she posed that question.
I call Fio stupid because unlike Pedro, whom I believe will do what ever is necessary including telling Eloise to accept or he's gone, she uses idiotic reasoning not to make a definitive decision. When she speaks about love with Pedro, she frustrates him with the idiotic promise, yet when Vitto speaks to her of the marriage plans she puts him off with a job she's had for 3 days, one of which she was in jail. If she is going to honor the promise, honor the promise, sit with Vitto, make plans and be done with it. If she wants Pedro then tell Vitto it ain't gonna happen. Is she trying to people please here, is she really that confused (stupid) by this life choice or does she not believe she's worthy and deserves pain?
I don't think Fio is ignorant, simple minded but not ignorant. She has sacrificed for Gianna but Gianna is preparing for university and Fio will have an empty nest. It's time for Fio to think about Fio.
I call Fio stupid because unlike Pedro, whom I believe will do what ever is necessary including telling Eloise to accept or he's gone, she uses idiotic reasoning not to make a definitive decision. When she speaks about love with Pedro, she frustrates him with the idiotic promise, yet when Vitto speaks to her of the marriage plans she puts him off with a job she's had for 3 days, one of which she was in jail. If she is going to honor the promise, honor the promise, sit with Vitto, make plans and be done with it. If she wants Pedro then tell Vitto it ain't gonna happen. Is she trying to people please here, is she really that confused (stupid) by this life choice or does she not believe she's worthy and deserves pain?
I don't think Fio is ignorant, simple minded but not ignorant. She has sacrificed for Gianna but Gianna is preparing for university and Fio will have an empty nest. It's time for Fio to think about Fio.
Fiorella doesn't know anything else anymore beyond sacrificing for Gianna. That is her problem. She was also poorly treated by everyone except Mario and Gianna while still in Italy. She may not think she has choices or much power over her own life.
It shouldn't even be legal for a man to marry a girl young enough to be his grand-daughter.
It shouldn't even be legal for a man to marry a girl young enough to be his grand-daughter.
Yep, Tofie, Fifi's "child" is grown and about to fly the coop. You've got a point: Despite the sterling qualities I mentioned abov e, Fifi is not being straight with Pedro or Vitto. I think Fiorella may just be waiting for Mario! to tell her what to do! Either he will make a ghostly appearance and tell her what to do or maybe Diana may produce the actual letter Mario wrote and show her. In one flashback they showed Vitto reading the letter and that wasn't necessary to say that Vitto thinks he's doing what his friend asks. Maybe the actual letter is somewhere and Diana will find it and come out of bitch mode long enough to show Fiorella that her Dad did not expect nor ask him to marry Fiorella but rather play the paternal role that someone mentioned above.
All that said, I cut her slack. It's not so long since their Dad died, leaving them penniless and the whole whirlwind trip to Mexico and Gianna fainting at every turn around. Besides, I like Fifi. I have no reason to dislike her. She's just being herself, the Cinderella in this story and I feel comforted knowing she does not face some dark fate like Aldonza did and that she WILL get her man in the end.
I reserve the right to yell at her from time to time, though!
;D
All that said, I cut her slack. It's not so long since their Dad died, leaving them penniless and the whole whirlwind trip to Mexico and Gianna fainting at every turn around. Besides, I like Fifi. I have no reason to dislike her. She's just being herself, the Cinderella in this story and I feel comforted knowing she does not face some dark fate like Aldonza did and that she WILL get her man in the end.
I reserve the right to yell at her from time to time, though!
;D
Not saying much for Mario if he intended Fio to marry Vitto, but I don't think he did. Even Fio should know her father better than that. We're not talking 20 years here nor an honest gentleman but a old fart that catfished her. Following her line of reason had Vitto turned out to be Mr. Ed she'd still be bound to the promise. I'm gonna stick with she doesn't believe she deserves a nice guy, prefers to shoot her self in the foot and then mope for the rest of her life.
Gonna be mighty lonely in Vitto's house with Gianna away at school and playing asleep at 6 pm every night to keep the old coot off her.
Gonna be mighty lonely in Vitto's house with Gianna away at school and playing asleep at 6 pm every night to keep the old coot off her.
Sorry Charlie, only good tuna get to be Star-kissed! Laughing my head off. So funny for you to bring back that old ad line, Lila. It was a gem.
And loved the alliteration on this one: Freddie the Loathsome Leech Latches onto Eloisa. "F" is a slimy, oily blood-sucking creature, insinuating her evil influence wherever she can. Continue to hate her.
Which evidently is not good for me! In every telenovela, characters continually counsel others not to harbor anger and resentment in their hearts. Even if the hurt and humiliation happened 2 seconds ago. I agree that holding onto anger and resentment FOR YEARS is toxic, but one can hardly manufacture instant forgiveness. The human heart doesn't work that way. In a recent conversation with a friend, she was so mad at two family members, she said "I WANT TO HURT SOMEONE!" And sure enough, the next day...she, not the others, was experiencing angina and chest pain. So yes, clear the negative feelings as quickly as you can, but at first, what you need most is patience and to stop rehearsing all the anger. And maybe a little nitroglycerin.
Glad you didn't dwell on the dinner table beat-down. Left me feeling a little nauseous. Truly ugly.
As always, you're the Queen of Transitions, Lila, with your "Sonia is with Fabio, and she's trying to touch his intimate fibers as well." Never thought of fibers as X-rated, but they sure came off like that in this one.
Lastly...right with you on "Okay. It's not very romantic." So not. Lantern light and Pedro's muscles aside, talking about horse injuries isn't the best way to soften a woman's heart. But whatever.
Oh, and another painful scene: the Julietta/Anibal confrontation. True, it's classic that the unfaithful spouse will put all the blame on the victim. We're all committed to seeing ourselves as good, reasonable people--so if we behave shamefully, well "Look what you made me do!" But to throw a wife's infertility in her face at a moment like that...truly dirty pool.
Quite an episode. Mostly unpleasant. But you made it fun with your lively re-telling, Lila. Thanks.
And loved the alliteration on this one: Freddie the Loathsome Leech Latches onto Eloisa. "F" is a slimy, oily blood-sucking creature, insinuating her evil influence wherever she can. Continue to hate her.
Which evidently is not good for me! In every telenovela, characters continually counsel others not to harbor anger and resentment in their hearts. Even if the hurt and humiliation happened 2 seconds ago. I agree that holding onto anger and resentment FOR YEARS is toxic, but one can hardly manufacture instant forgiveness. The human heart doesn't work that way. In a recent conversation with a friend, she was so mad at two family members, she said "I WANT TO HURT SOMEONE!" And sure enough, the next day...she, not the others, was experiencing angina and chest pain. So yes, clear the negative feelings as quickly as you can, but at first, what you need most is patience and to stop rehearsing all the anger. And maybe a little nitroglycerin.
Glad you didn't dwell on the dinner table beat-down. Left me feeling a little nauseous. Truly ugly.
As always, you're the Queen of Transitions, Lila, with your "Sonia is with Fabio, and she's trying to touch his intimate fibers as well." Never thought of fibers as X-rated, but they sure came off like that in this one.
Lastly...right with you on "Okay. It's not very romantic." So not. Lantern light and Pedro's muscles aside, talking about horse injuries isn't the best way to soften a woman's heart. But whatever.
Oh, and another painful scene: the Julietta/Anibal confrontation. True, it's classic that the unfaithful spouse will put all the blame on the victim. We're all committed to seeing ourselves as good, reasonable people--so if we behave shamefully, well "Look what you made me do!" But to throw a wife's infertility in her face at a moment like that...truly dirty pool.
Quite an episode. Mostly unpleasant. But you made it fun with your lively re-telling, Lila. Thanks.
Oh and UA, I know you don't like Julietta, but I think the writers want us to sympathize with her...and interpret her instant dislike of Fiorella as a defense mechanism to protect her from the pain of being spurned and forced to give up her baby so many years ago. Her marrying and staying with scumbag Anibal is further proof that she's now punishing herself through marriage to a man who treats her like dirt. Something she truly believes she is. And her infertility?...just further proof in HER mind that God has turned his back on her now.
All quite sad. And many people do beat themselves up eternally for mistakes made early on. When clearly, all of us, had we seen a better way, would have made wiser choices.
It will be interesting to see how and why she and Fiorella eventually come to realize that they are mother and child. (Not a spoiler..just guessing this will take place.
All quite sad. And many people do beat themselves up eternally for mistakes made early on. When clearly, all of us, had we seen a better way, would have made wiser choices.
It will be interesting to see how and why she and Fiorella eventually come to realize that they are mother and child. (Not a spoiler..just guessing this will take place.
Lila, I like your recap, girl you got story tellin in your heart and soul.
Now what pisses me off about this episode:
These dumb ignorant supposedly intellegent
People who seem to think that they are better
Than the people that serve them. NOT!!!!
THAT OLD WOMAN, that old HEFFA, I don't
Care what century she was born in, you do not you don't put yourself above someone
Else cause you"ve been blessed to have alot
Of money, have a house with over five rooms,
Wear exspensive close, and have no money worries. She basically said that" our servents
Are beneath us, don't marry them, we are deserving of a better class of people than they. Maybe not those words, but thats what
She meant. And what Maximo didn't work for he stole from somebody else and she's reaping the benefits of it sitting her gray behind up in that house looking down on her crooket family like shes better than they are and she's no better than they are. And nasty
Skinny a$$ roxy, I would love to see doris on
From "YNEH" Yall know, the one thats on at
10:00, beat her nasty but all over that kitchen. The only part of this episode I like
Was when pedro sent for fifi, and the talk he
Had with her about fighting for their love. And she better not drop the ball.
Now what pisses me off about this episode:
These dumb ignorant supposedly intellegent
People who seem to think that they are better
Than the people that serve them. NOT!!!!
THAT OLD WOMAN, that old HEFFA, I don't
Care what century she was born in, you do not you don't put yourself above someone
Else cause you"ve been blessed to have alot
Of money, have a house with over five rooms,
Wear exspensive close, and have no money worries. She basically said that" our servents
Are beneath us, don't marry them, we are deserving of a better class of people than they. Maybe not those words, but thats what
She meant. And what Maximo didn't work for he stole from somebody else and she's reaping the benefits of it sitting her gray behind up in that house looking down on her crooket family like shes better than they are and she's no better than they are. And nasty
Skinny a$$ roxy, I would love to see doris on
From "YNEH" Yall know, the one thats on at
10:00, beat her nasty but all over that kitchen. The only part of this episode I like
Was when pedro sent for fifi, and the talk he
Had with her about fighting for their love. And she better not drop the ball.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 3:52:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 3:52:00 PM EDT
Poor gael, he deserves a better family than
These vultures. Is he a bio child or adopted?
I don't think it matters with this bunch.}:-|
These vultures. Is he a bio child or adopted?
I don't think it matters with this bunch.}:-|
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 4:02:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 4:02:00 PM EDT
"What exactly would she need to learn to be "acceptable" to their class? "
The right pedigree. Seriously. LATAM lives for and by their "class" system, AFAIK. This is why so many telenovelas have the heroine as a poor little girl who, it is discovered, was sired or birthed by a rich person. The joke is on the upperclass.
The right pedigree. Seriously. LATAM lives for and by their "class" system, AFAIK. This is why so many telenovelas have the heroine as a poor little girl who, it is discovered, was sired or birthed by a rich person. The joke is on the upperclass.
Actually, unless Julieta cheated on Anibal how do we know their lack of a child isn't HIS problem?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think she ever told him about the baby she gave up.
And there are people in El Norte who prove that we have a class system, too. We're just in denial about it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think she ever told him about the baby she gave up.
And there are people in El Norte who prove that we have a class system, too. We're just in denial about it.
Gonna be mighty lonely in Vitto's house with Gianna away at school and playing asleep at 6 pm every night to keep the old coot off her.
HEE HEE! You said it, Tofie. I just hope it doesn't happen!
JudyB! Grazie, amica mia! What you say is so true about holding on to anger and resentments. It's easy to make the mistake that somehow anger is empowering: it's so hard and full of razor sharp spines, surely it must be a weapon! It is, but it only hurts the holder of it. Takes a while to learn that, though, a long while and a lot of deep cuts.
JudyB, I don't know, I just resented Granny's interference with Aitana and Pedro. Her little pep talk just felt slimy. And that also describes Anibal. Whoever named him Animal sure nailed it.
Let's hope we get some kissy face tonight!
Hey, Nina! Bring the righteous anger, girl! Grazie!
hat Maximo didn't work for he stole from somebody else and she's reaping the benefits of it sitting her gray behind up in that house looking down on her crooket family like shes better than they are and she's no better than they are.
Yah, "sitting her gray behind" at the head of the table holding court and tolerating the mental and emotional homicide of her own grandson. That's sadder than her classism.
We'll see if Fifi is ready to fight tonight, Nina! Thank you, hon!
Hi, Doris. What is LATAM and AFAIK. Having a DUH moment!
Actually, unless Julieta cheated on Anibal how do we know their lack of a child isn't HIS problem?
Urban, I think Anibal is just as deluded as Roxi. HE is probably the one shooting blanks!
HEE HEE! You said it, Tofie. I just hope it doesn't happen!
JudyB! Grazie, amica mia! What you say is so true about holding on to anger and resentments. It's easy to make the mistake that somehow anger is empowering: it's so hard and full of razor sharp spines, surely it must be a weapon! It is, but it only hurts the holder of it. Takes a while to learn that, though, a long while and a lot of deep cuts.
JudyB, I don't know, I just resented Granny's interference with Aitana and Pedro. Her little pep talk just felt slimy. And that also describes Anibal. Whoever named him Animal sure nailed it.
Let's hope we get some kissy face tonight!
Hey, Nina! Bring the righteous anger, girl! Grazie!
hat Maximo didn't work for he stole from somebody else and she's reaping the benefits of it sitting her gray behind up in that house looking down on her crooket family like shes better than they are and she's no better than they are.
Yah, "sitting her gray behind" at the head of the table holding court and tolerating the mental and emotional homicide of her own grandson. That's sadder than her classism.
We'll see if Fifi is ready to fight tonight, Nina! Thank you, hon!
Hi, Doris. What is LATAM and AFAIK. Having a DUH moment!
Actually, unless Julieta cheated on Anibal how do we know their lack of a child isn't HIS problem?
Urban, I think Anibal is just as deluded as Roxi. HE is probably the one shooting blanks!
I know, I'm an aguafiestas, but this novela is losing me (ok, probably not)
My favorite characters are turning stupid, Eloisa, QTF??
Maybe the reason is that I don't much like Jose Ron, but he is ridiculous.
BUT ,I must say the recaps are stupendous!!!! Gracias, thank you,merci, grazie!!
My favorite characters are turning stupid, Eloisa, QTF??
Maybe the reason is that I don't much like Jose Ron, but he is ridiculous.
BUT ,I must say the recaps are stupendous!!!! Gracias, thank you,merci, grazie!!
Grazcie, Variopinta! Mille Grazie! I know how it is. Some of these stories drive you crazy! Please stop in from time to time! :D
Thanks, Doris!
Thanks, Doris!
Gracias tanto, Lila! You always paint such a picture with your words :D
I was picturing a show called "Vittorio Dragone: Mack Daddy" and I think that's a show I'd make sure my DVR permanently forgets to record. Seeing him with Fi grosses me out. Just...stop already, skeevy old dude! And I hate thinking that way because hey, love knows no age. And if Fi even liked him as a person, this would be easier to stomach, but she doesn't even like spending time with him, much less...er...anything else. And he knows it!
Oh dear, so Fabio is an option for sperm donor? Greeeeat.
There are so many people to whom the tuna line applies.
I can't decide what the worst part of the Eloisa/Aitana conversation was. The fact that Eloisa doesn't seem to care that Pedro doesn't love Aitana? The fact that Aitana doesn't have a clue what to do about it? The fact that I was afraid Eloisa was going to give her some hints, in graphic detail?
"The next scene at the dinner table was so horrible, I have to RPC it." And if I'd read the recap first, I could have VPCd it. Yuck. Just yuck.
"NO! I don't want Gigi with Benny!" Right there with you!
I just can't even with Anibal.
OK, Sonia, you're pregnant. We get it. Enough with the fainting already!
The whole last scene would have been much better if Pedro had just not been talking. A horse, a stable, a hot guy...just hush, Pedro.
I was picturing a show called "Vittorio Dragone: Mack Daddy" and I think that's a show I'd make sure my DVR permanently forgets to record. Seeing him with Fi grosses me out. Just...stop already, skeevy old dude! And I hate thinking that way because hey, love knows no age. And if Fi even liked him as a person, this would be easier to stomach, but she doesn't even like spending time with him, much less...er...anything else. And he knows it!
Oh dear, so Fabio is an option for sperm donor? Greeeeat.
There are so many people to whom the tuna line applies.
I can't decide what the worst part of the Eloisa/Aitana conversation was. The fact that Eloisa doesn't seem to care that Pedro doesn't love Aitana? The fact that Aitana doesn't have a clue what to do about it? The fact that I was afraid Eloisa was going to give her some hints, in graphic detail?
"The next scene at the dinner table was so horrible, I have to RPC it." And if I'd read the recap first, I could have VPCd it. Yuck. Just yuck.
"NO! I don't want Gigi with Benny!" Right there with you!
I just can't even with Anibal.
OK, Sonia, you're pregnant. We get it. Enough with the fainting already!
The whole last scene would have been much better if Pedro had just not been talking. A horse, a stable, a hot guy...just hush, Pedro.
Diva! Hey, girl! Grazie! Mille grazie!
So Sonia could be having Fabio's FOURTH child for him!
Do you get my disgust with Granny!? It felt like she DID get graphic with her advice to Aitana and that's what made me call time out. Sheesh!
What they did to Gael was HORrible and it seemed to go on forEVER!
HEE HEE:
The whole last scene would have been much better if Pedro had just not been talking. A horse, a stable, a hot guy...just hush, Pedro.
Grazie, sorellina mia!
So Sonia could be having Fabio's FOURTH child for him!
Do you get my disgust with Granny!? It felt like she DID get graphic with her advice to Aitana and that's what made me call time out. Sheesh!
What they did to Gael was HORrible and it seemed to go on forEVER!
HEE HEE:
The whole last scene would have been much better if Pedro had just not been talking. A horse, a stable, a hot guy...just hush, Pedro.
Grazie, sorellina mia!
I'm just glad she stopped before she started drawing diagrams or something *shudder* I don't know how I'm going to handle tonight, but I've got 20 minutes to figure it out. Maybe I'll just mute everyone and make up my own dialogue :p It can't be any worse than what they're actually saying!
Thank you Lila,
I really hope Gael gets better and gets away from those vultures.Looks like Sonia is doing damage control about her pregnancy. Fiorella should actually listen to the people around her, if brash Gigi is saying something logical, she should be listening
Elorej
I really hope Gael gets better and gets away from those vultures.Looks like Sonia is doing damage control about her pregnancy. Fiorella should actually listen to the people around her, if brash Gigi is saying something logical, she should be listening
Elorej
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 11:13:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 11:13:00 PM EDT
Benvenuto e grazie, Elorej! Sorry, I'm just seeing your comment! Yes, Gael needs a lot of strength to build up his self esteem, understand that altering his consciousness is NOT the answer and somehow get out of the toxic "family" environment!
Everything you say is just simply RIGHT ON!
I hope you join the chatter on the Patio again, Elorej! Mille grazie!
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Everything you say is just simply RIGHT ON!
I hope you join the chatter on the Patio again, Elorej! Mille grazie!
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