Friday, October 02, 2015
Yo No Creo En Los Hombres, Capitulo 58 Thu 10-01-15: Rats! Rats, everywhere!
Scenes merged and whatnot.
The Old: Isela drops a super-confusing
truth bomb on Orly, in the middle of her web of lies: she’s with Claudio not
because she loves him, not because she likes sleeping with him, but because she
must have revenge! Orly looks at her like “whaaaa…?”
The New: No time to figure it out because
the cops are there to arrest Orly for violating the restraining order (even
though Isela admits that she came looking for
him. Doris gets Max who explains that the first two times
the restraining order is violated, it means bail. The third time is jail.
Everyone watches the police drive Orlando away, including Alma and Claudio.
They’re there because Josefa called and spun some lies about Isela leaving in
the middle of church and she was so worried and what might Orlando do to her
poor baby blah, blah, blah. Anyway, Claudio snaps at the boys, who snap back.
Same old, same old. Later, back at the mansion, Claudio is pissed with Isela. They’re arguing in her/Leo’s room when Alma’s comes in. She wants to know why Claudio is in Isela’s room; why didn’t he say whatever he
wanted to say on the way home or something? Claudio evades and throws off
suspicion by saying that if Isela’s going to keep running back to the vecindad,
maybe she should just move home. Alma goes all Mama Bear (not the evil Ursula
kind) and says no way.
Doris and Ari bail Orlando out. Ari (rightfully) chews Orly
out because he doesn’t get it: WHY is he still letting Issssela (emphasis on
the hissing) ruin his life? Orly thinks Ari doesn’t get it because he’s never
loved anyone as much as Orly loves Isela. (Listen to Bell Biv Davoe, Orlando: That girl is POISON!) Doris and Ari leave and Orlando wonders WTH Isela meant
about revenge.
Doris admits to Ari that she doesn’t want to go with him. He
seems to have an inkling that that maybe he’s losing/lost her. She goes to MD’s
to have a sleepover. Clara sleeps in Espy’s room (after giving MD a significant
look that says “I know you need to talk and normally it would be a sister talk,
but you don’t want to tell me, so I’ll give you a chance to talk to a friend.”…Yep,
she said all that with a look. She’s a very good actress.) MD guesses that
Doris has lost that loving feelin’ for Ari and is now all about Orly. Doris
admits it and cries because he’s still hung up on Isela.
In other news, Julian and Jenny are checking his public
transportation route to work. Mini-PSA:
A lot of stations aren’t equipped to deal with people with physical
disabilities. Oh well, they’ll figure it out. Plus, there’s an Accessible
Shuttle Bus system too, it’s just not cheap. But whatevs, Jenny will go with him
a few times to help. Honoria’s more concerned with singing Jenny’s praises
after she leaves anyhow. Julian smiles knowingly at her 180 degree shift. The next day, Julian’s a total
champ and goes to work as usual. Claudio sees him and offers to help. He heard
Mal’s version of the Stairway Incident, but he also knows both Dan and Julian,
so he’s got his own thoughts on the matter. Julian says he only cares about Dan
paying for what he did to MD.
Max takes MD and Espy to the neighborhood doctor. She’s got
a heart problem and it will get worse with stress. Great. We all know what that
means…Later, Max and MD are exiting the police station. MD’s so angry and
worried, she doesn’t even flinch when Max tries to calm her down. In fact, at
one point he has to hold her back from clawing Baldomero’s eyes out when he and
his/Dan’s OTHER sleazy lawyer friend point out all the circumstantial evidence
they have against MD (door wasn’t forced, she was the only one there when the
blaze broke out, the solvents used to start it can easily be bought in their
neighborhood). MD and Max return that she had no motive and, hello, it was her
business. Baldy and Sleazy return that they have witnesses! (Lord, who have they bought now?!) MD’s so worried about how this will affect Espy that Max offers -
against every instinct within him,
and even though he thinks it’s the definition of injustice - to settle
with the sleazeballs outside of court.
Later, Claudio tells Max his side of how the Clara-Jewel
fiasco went down. When he gets to the part where Alma blackmailed the girls,
Max is furious. Then Claudio suggests MD’s sleeping with Max, Dan AND Julian, Max
grabs him like he wants to break his dad’s face, but he just tells him,
through clenched teeth, that if he wants Max to speak to him with respect, he’d
better not EVER talk about the woman he loves like that again.
Mal is having the time of her life on top of this King’s Heap of Rats. In the morning, while Dan hunches in his chair, looking like a sweaty gargoyle and asking Isidro to replace his fresh fruit breakfast with vodka, she waltzes into the dining room with her phone on speaker. It’s Isela. Without giving away their secrets, she gets Isela to update her, Ursula and Dan: First off, Isela knows Dan raped MD. Mal protests this, but even Isela’s not twisted enough to believe it. She knows MD wouldn’t lie about that. Anyway, MD didn’t take the morning after pill. That’s enough for Mal to claim a victory. She reminds Isela that she’s the one in charge before hanging up and repeating the message to her mom and bro: she’s the player with the best cards in this game and they’d better not forget it! She flounces off and Ursula and Dan wonder what she’s got on Isela to make her so sure of herself.
Mal is having the time of her life on top of this King’s Heap of Rats. In the morning, while Dan hunches in his chair, looking like a sweaty gargoyle and asking Isidro to replace his fresh fruit breakfast with vodka, she waltzes into the dining room with her phone on speaker. It’s Isela. Without giving away their secrets, she gets Isela to update her, Ursula and Dan: First off, Isela knows Dan raped MD. Mal protests this, but even Isela’s not twisted enough to believe it. She knows MD wouldn’t lie about that. Anyway, MD didn’t take the morning after pill. That’s enough for Mal to claim a victory. She reminds Isela that she’s the one in charge before hanging up and repeating the message to her mom and bro: she’s the player with the best cards in this game and they’d better not forget it! She flounces off and Ursula and Dan wonder what she’s got on Isela to make her so sure of herself.
Naleny’s power trip continues to Claudio’s office where she’s
ready to snatch Isela’s Morticia-like locks out of her pale head. Claudio
must’ve said something because she demands to know what Isela told him about
Dan and MD! Claudio interrupts, Isela leaves, and he asks Mal directly what Dan
did to MD. We never get her answer because the next time we see Mal, she’s
intimidating Isela in the bathroom. She grabs her head and almost dunks her in
the toilet before Isela explains that she didn’t say anything to Claudio about
MD, Julian did. She shares her plan about going to the archives and Mal,
remembering what she overhead between Ursula and Arango, tells her to look up a
Dr. Medina in Claudio’s contacts.
Clara’s about to tell Leo what she suspects/knows Dan did to
MD when MD calls her to tell her that the hearing didn’t go well and their
mom’s in danger of having a heart attack. Clara’s distraught and the
white-knight-in-training Leo is ready to ride to the rescue if she’ll just tell
him what the heck is up. Ugh! She can’t because he’ll tell Max and things will
just get worse! She has an adorable run of dialogue about how Leo acts before he
thinks…but she wouldn’t want him to change. It’s one of the things she loves
most about him: he acts on what he believes in. It’s a trait they have in
common. And now, they just have to sit and twiddle their fingers…?! She’s all
worried and they’re so cute and in love. She never tells him her suspicions,
but he holds her and they hug it out.
Isela is trying to get into the judicial archives to get the
dirt on Mal’s dad’s death, but according to everyone she asks, you can’t just
waltz in just cuz you have great gams and a short skirt. She makes up a story
about needing to do some assignment for her (long-forgotten) classes and asks
first the other secretary for help and then finally Claudio. He promises to get
one of his research assistant’s to help her. The hug he gives her is weirdly
paternal…especially because, in a previous scene, he was going on and on about
how they have to get her into an apartment because he can’t control himself
around and then they slobbered all over each other. (To quote my nephew: it was
The Grossness.)
Ursula invites Josefa over to her house. (Yeah, she
really doesn’t like that Mal’s running the show.) She offers
Josefa an alliance: their girls are screw-ups, so they should take the reins.
Josefa, in a move I weirdly like, says Mal might be a screw
up, but her Isela’s not. And unlike with unstable Mal, Isela gets back in line
with a couple of slaps. In any case, Jojo doesn’t think Ursula or Mal have much
to offer her or Isela, so she takes her leave (and a couple handfuls of
cookies, stuffed into her pockets. Cuz Jojo’s classy like that.) Arango and
Ursula call her back, but she doesn’t stop until Ursula offers her money. Alma,
with that perfect timing of hers, arrives for a visit just then. And that, mis
amigos, was the beginning of the Red Headed Mama-Witch Convention of 2015.
Ivana overhears MD’s convo with Clara, so now she knows MD’s
worried about her mom and the arson charge etc. Later, Ivana shows up instead
of Gerry, as was promised, to discuss the microcredit sponsorship with MD and
Doris. MD’s ready to bail; she wouldn’t accept a glass of water from people
like Ivana and Dan and if that causes her another prob, well it’s just one of
many, so put it on her tab, Karma! Ivana says MD’s got something she wants and
if she stays Ivana will sweeten the deal by telling her who set the fire. She
takes MD and Doris to a corner of the offices were seamstresses are working
with none other than Jacinto the Lech. MD is shocked and appalled! How could
Ivana rehire him (to work with laides!) knowing what she does?! Ivana admits,
it’s not what she wants. But this whole set up with Jacinto, it’s a trap! And
traps are good for rats…especially when they’re still recovering from -dun, dun, dun!- burns.
Lightbulbs go on and MD and Doris realize Jacinto’s the arsonist! Doris is
ready to rip his head off, but Ivana holds her back.
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Comments:
I am wondering whether Orlando calling the police would have done any good in that situation, especially since Claudio took out the restraining order.
He's not looking squeaky clean anymore and his entire family is going to really lose it over this.
We haven't heard anything about how Jenny pays her bills, but I'm sure it's nothing anyone she knows wants to know. I think she has a track record of getting money from men.
Julian would never allow anyone to call MD a slut nor would he claim to have boinked her. I don't think he can lie effectively.
Honoria is certainly a helicopter mother, but out of guilt. In contrast to Hosefa and Ursula, who are all about control. Neither Alma nor Esperanza did this in the past, hence their mentally healthier children.
So do I.
I love that Doris doesn't take any BS and that she is a loyal friend. She is due for a big reward at the end of this tale. I also hope she can somehow turn Ivana around.
Now, if there is anyone out there who can answer a legal question: If all the Santibanez end up dead and there are no relatives, what happens to their estate?
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Early morning meeting, and I can't sleep. No point trying to catch a few more minutes of sleep. Thank goodness I have your thoroughly awesome recap to keep me entertained, Hellashelle.
Two good cliffhangers. Can't wait to see what Ursula and Josefa come up with to explain why Jo is there to Alma. Less hopeful for whether Ivana will be truly helpful to MD, and just cause her more problems (especially with her crazy buy your baby talk).
Someone mentioned yesterday that they didn't like that Leo assumed MD May be a liar because she isn't sharing everything with Max. The conversation between him and Clara was a perfect explanation of how he sees the world. You either tell the whole truth, or you're a liar. You're either good or bad. Things are either black or white. He doesn't recognize that things are not always that simple, and that the world is most often many shades of gray.
Clara, as she admits, is the same, but she's starting to learn things can't so easily be classified or solved. What's great about them both is that they take action, they speak up. But sometimes you do need to take a moment to think and reason before you act.
Orly getting arrested, and one step closer to real jail time, because of Isela...I just can't even go there. Rarely would I say this, but he needs to listen to Ari.
Two good cliffhangers. Can't wait to see what Ursula and Josefa come up with to explain why Jo is there to Alma. Less hopeful for whether Ivana will be truly helpful to MD, and just cause her more problems (especially with her crazy buy your baby talk).
Someone mentioned yesterday that they didn't like that Leo assumed MD May be a liar because she isn't sharing everything with Max. The conversation between him and Clara was a perfect explanation of how he sees the world. You either tell the whole truth, or you're a liar. You're either good or bad. Things are either black or white. He doesn't recognize that things are not always that simple, and that the world is most often many shades of gray.
Clara, as she admits, is the same, but she's starting to learn things can't so easily be classified or solved. What's great about them both is that they take action, they speak up. But sometimes you do need to take a moment to think and reason before you act.
Orly getting arrested, and one step closer to real jail time, because of Isela...I just can't even go there. Rarely would I say this, but he needs to listen to Ari.
Vivi, I cant sleep either. So I just finished reading Helleshell's great recap. Thank you Hellashell, it hit the spot for this insomniac.. I will comment more later, dont feel so great. Vivi have a good meeting, hope you get a chance for little nap at lunch.
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: Friday, October 2, 2015 at 6:16:00 AM EDT
: Friday, October 2, 2015 at 6:16:00 AM EDT
Thank you Hellashele. I am still watching Episode 56 but all I have to say is that these rats even make the Lannisters look good ( Even if they are just cupcakes compared to the other creeps) ! Yes I would rather have Tywin rule over Westeros and the Seven Kingdoms than GrrrUrsula.
"No time to figure it out" Want to thank you Hellashelle, things happen back to back and I'm struggling to keep up with everything and this is laid out perfectly.
"Issssela (emphasis on the hissing)"
"Mal is having the time of her life on top of this King’s Heap of Rats"
"The Grossness"
"Red Headed Mama-Witch Convention of 2015"
Vivi, I agree Leo sees things in black and white, good and bad but the real world is clouded gray with intent, motivation, and just surviving. I think Leo is a product of Claudio's mindset and young and naive and hasn't realized. The difference, Claudio knows it's gray, yet judges in terms of black and white, good and bad, rich and poor.
I know why Ivana is offering up Jacinto but how in the world can he be used? Don't see him waltzing right in court and fingering Dan.
Yep, Josefa got the better of the exchange and Ursula didn't even realize until Josefa was almost out the door.
Maybe I give Isela too much credit, all she told Orlando is what he wanted to hear.
Doris is my hero.
Respect for Claudio, from his sons, should totally leave the building. He's not meddling he's attacking them to destroy.
"Issssela (emphasis on the hissing)"
"Mal is having the time of her life on top of this King’s Heap of Rats"
"The Grossness"
"Red Headed Mama-Witch Convention of 2015"
Vivi, I agree Leo sees things in black and white, good and bad but the real world is clouded gray with intent, motivation, and just surviving. I think Leo is a product of Claudio's mindset and young and naive and hasn't realized. The difference, Claudio knows it's gray, yet judges in terms of black and white, good and bad, rich and poor.
I know why Ivana is offering up Jacinto but how in the world can he be used? Don't see him waltzing right in court and fingering Dan.
Yep, Josefa got the better of the exchange and Ursula didn't even realize until Josefa was almost out the door.
Maybe I give Isela too much credit, all she told Orlando is what he wanted to hear.
Doris is my hero.
Respect for Claudio, from his sons, should totally leave the building. He's not meddling he's attacking them to destroy.
Gracias, Hellashelle. Great lines and descriptions.
Leo and Clara are still young enough to not quite understand shades of grey. Time takes care of that. At least they have older sibs who can help them.
When the hell is MD going to tell Max about the rape? Both he and Esperanza are going to find out in the worst possible way at this rate, but I'm guessing that this is one cliche nobody gives up.
Orlando needs to get over Isela. She is no longer the girl he fell in love with.
Leo and Clara are still young enough to not quite understand shades of grey. Time takes care of that. At least they have older sibs who can help them.
When the hell is MD going to tell Max about the rape? Both he and Esperanza are going to find out in the worst possible way at this rate, but I'm guessing that this is one cliche nobody gives up.
Orlando needs to get over Isela. She is no longer the girl he fell in love with.
Good morning all!
Thanks Vivi - Glad I got the cap up early then! Nothing like a little condensed TN mayhem to get your day started off right ;) Ditto on Anon 6:16's wishes to you for a great meeting and a possible nap. As for the show, one great thing about this TN is that everyone intertwined on so many layers, but in such believable ways. On the downside, it means Ursula might just say that Mal introduced Isela and Josefa and, sweet people that they are, the Santibanez are trying to see what they can do to help...Gag me.
Also, I was annoyed with Leo yesterday, but mostly I was annoyed because he's right: MD is lying. Max has asked her point blank: Is something wrong? YES! Is Dan bothering her? YES! The crazy thing is, I get it. I don't think I'd want my ex-boyfriend, to know if I was raped either (especially if I still had feelings for him), not to mention my family, all of my neighbors, etc.
Thanks Anon 6:16! - By all means, please do come back and comment! This TN inspires such great forum conversation that I can't wait for the chances I get to participate.
Thanks CountX! - Ursula would totally have married Tywin...and then poisoned him. And possibly eaten him (she's got that Black Widow vibe about her).
Thanks Tofie! - My hope is that Ivana will be able to get him on tape harassing someone or admitting to something. Can someone besides Sour-Faced Susana have the brains to get these people recorded?!
Thanks UA! - I don't know, but I have a sick feeling that by the time she does all of the comments about her being a gold-digging man, eater, plus her lies, plus the insinuation that she slept with consentually Dan (and Julian) plus the fact that she keeps meeting with him ALONE will just stack up against her and his lawyer mind will overrule his galan heart.
Thanks Vivi - Glad I got the cap up early then! Nothing like a little condensed TN mayhem to get your day started off right ;) Ditto on Anon 6:16's wishes to you for a great meeting and a possible nap. As for the show, one great thing about this TN is that everyone intertwined on so many layers, but in such believable ways. On the downside, it means Ursula might just say that Mal introduced Isela and Josefa and, sweet people that they are, the Santibanez are trying to see what they can do to help...Gag me.
Also, I was annoyed with Leo yesterday, but mostly I was annoyed because he's right: MD is lying. Max has asked her point blank: Is something wrong? YES! Is Dan bothering her? YES! The crazy thing is, I get it. I don't think I'd want my ex-boyfriend, to know if I was raped either (especially if I still had feelings for him), not to mention my family, all of my neighbors, etc.
Thanks Anon 6:16! - By all means, please do come back and comment! This TN inspires such great forum conversation that I can't wait for the chances I get to participate.
Thanks CountX! - Ursula would totally have married Tywin...and then poisoned him. And possibly eaten him (she's got that Black Widow vibe about her).
Thanks Tofie! - My hope is that Ivana will be able to get him on tape harassing someone or admitting to something. Can someone besides Sour-Faced Susana have the brains to get these people recorded?!
Thanks UA! - I don't know, but I have a sick feeling that by the time she does all of the comments about her being a gold-digging man, eater, plus her lies, plus the insinuation that she slept with consentually Dan (and Julian) plus the fact that she keeps meeting with him ALONE will just stack up against her and his lawyer mind will overrule his galan heart.
Hellashelle the operative word here is ex boyfriend and I agree as an ex Max is just meddling and kinda creepy he is hovering around all the time. He must be dumber than Orlando because MD isn't leading him on, in fact she shows no romantic inclination toward him at all and always really awkward when he gets her alone. Max needs to read the memo, it's over. Now, as her attorney, if she really trusted him, (wouldn't react emotionally as Julian did) she would disclose all. It is sad though that Max really believed the "break" was not a break up.
I give up trying to figure out why MD continues to call or take Dan's calls and ok with meeting him alone. Heck, she was ready to leave the room when she saw Ivana (and Doris was with her). She will never win a he said, she said exchange with Dan.
I give up trying to figure out why MD continues to call or take Dan's calls and ok with meeting him alone. Heck, she was ready to leave the room when she saw Ivana (and Doris was with her). She will never win a he said, she said exchange with Dan.
Thank you Hellashelle, great job.
2 things,
Ursula should be allowed to answer Alma's question as to what Josefa is doing there by saying it's personal, none of your business. But we all know that won't happen.
The other, If Isela is in Orlando's apartment, how could that prove that he broke the restraining order? How can he avoid being near her if she can just come to him any old time she wants and still get arrested for his proximity to her?
2 things,
Ursula should be allowed to answer Alma's question as to what Josefa is doing there by saying it's personal, none of your business. But we all know that won't happen.
The other, If Isela is in Orlando's apartment, how could that prove that he broke the restraining order? How can he avoid being near her if she can just come to him any old time she wants and still get arrested for his proximity to her?
Uffff Hellashelle! Congratulations on a pivotal recap and many thanks. I just can't keep up anymore and I thought my Spanish was pretty good.
There are just too many people telling too many lies: lies on purpose, lies to cover up truths, lies to cover up misdeeds, crimes and adultery, lies to seduce, lies by omission, lies to deceive, lies passed on as truth, truths to sound like lies (so poor Orly will believe it)...my head is spinning. I think I need a lie down.
Best line of the day: "Red Headed Mama-Witch Convention of 2015"
There are just too many people telling too many lies: lies on purpose, lies to cover up truths, lies to cover up misdeeds, crimes and adultery, lies to seduce, lies by omission, lies to deceive, lies passed on as truth, truths to sound like lies (so poor Orly will believe it)...my head is spinning. I think I need a lie down.
Best line of the day: "Red Headed Mama-Witch Convention of 2015"
He cannot always avoid her approach and thankfully he had witnesses but he took her hand pulled her inside, shut that door so they would be alone and knew better. Earlier the same day they passed on the street and Orlando kept walking. Not sure about Mexican law but in the US many restraining orders have specific stipulations that take proximity or setting into account depending on the request. Orlando should have gone inside alone and locked her out and if she persisted call the police.
Orlando should lock the doors down only allowing trusted personnel (Doris, MD ,Max , Leo) in . Or move to Mars since it's not like Isela won't stop hunting him and they also found fresh water on Mars.
Ursula and Josefa are certainly a pair, it's hard to guess which one is worse. Both of them orchestrated many of the crucial events . Ursula with her cunning skills & Josefa as the Minister of Public Relations and Propaganda
Ursula and Josefa are certainly a pair, it's hard to guess which one is worse. Both of them orchestrated many of the crucial events . Ursula with her cunning skills & Josefa as the Minister of Public Relations and Propaganda
No, I don't agree about him taking her into his apartment. Yes he did, but first of all, the police didn't know that, and secondly, she sought him out and was right there wanting to talk to him. He shouldn't have to go to jail for that.
We can certainly see how well the ADA has worked in the US when a country that doesn't have it makes it very difficult for a handicapped person to get around. Julian will have to pay extra money to be able to get to work because they don't have laws protecting their right to accessibility.
I have seen many comments speculate that Claudio may have messed up the case of Josefa's daughter and that is why Josefa and Isela are currently taking their revenge. But in my opinion Josefa may be chasing geese looking for faults where there aren't any. But I don't believe that Josefa would give it all a second thought if she judged the wrong person because she is there for blood and attention. Her daughter might have brought the situation on herself.
It's true, the police don't know how Isela got into Orlando's apt, but they were responding to a call from Josefa, so we all know what spin was on the story. What's more, no matter how she got into his apartment, he knows there's a restraining order on him, so unless he's being restrained, he should call the cops and say "there's a restraining order on me and the person who I'm supposed to stay away from won't leave me alone." In effect, he'd need to say Isela was harassing him.
Speculation on Claudio's role in Josefa's daughter's case is all over the place. It could be that he knowingly sentenced her to jail for something she didn't do, but when he started this TN he seemed like an upstanding judge (too upstanding maybe. Uptight, in fact.) It could be that she did do something wrong, but his sentence was especially harsh. It could be that he's sentencing was fine, but she committed suicide or was killed in prison. He could be that Josefa's just crazy and bitter and Claudio didn't do anything wrong. For a second, I speculated that Josefa was so physically abusive in response to her daughter's sentencing that she accidentally killed her daughter and then blamed Claudio for sentencing her in the first place. That's what's so great about this TN! Mysteries are actually mysterious and secrets don't all come out in the last week, but good ones just keep growing in intensity.
Anita - IKR!!! So many lies!
Tofie - I'll agree, MD is selling the "stay away" much better than the "I'm in love with you." But this TN is untraditional, so maybe we don't end with the main characters in a wedding, but rather the main characters truly in love and starting over. Others have mentioned that this wouldn't be a bad option in other TNs (most recently for me, Sombra). I chalk it up to not enough build-up time. As good a TN as this is (and it may be the best I've ever seen , in terms of complexity and plot), it's not doing a good job of selling the main characters' love.
Why do TNs insist on doing that? They have enough time to may me physically ill, but not enough time to give me a cumulative 5 minutes of adorableness to convince me the main couple should be together?
Speculation on Claudio's role in Josefa's daughter's case is all over the place. It could be that he knowingly sentenced her to jail for something she didn't do, but when he started this TN he seemed like an upstanding judge (too upstanding maybe. Uptight, in fact.) It could be that she did do something wrong, but his sentence was especially harsh. It could be that he's sentencing was fine, but she committed suicide or was killed in prison. He could be that Josefa's just crazy and bitter and Claudio didn't do anything wrong. For a second, I speculated that Josefa was so physically abusive in response to her daughter's sentencing that she accidentally killed her daughter and then blamed Claudio for sentencing her in the first place. That's what's so great about this TN! Mysteries are actually mysterious and secrets don't all come out in the last week, but good ones just keep growing in intensity.
Anita - IKR!!! So many lies!
Tofie - I'll agree, MD is selling the "stay away" much better than the "I'm in love with you." But this TN is untraditional, so maybe we don't end with the main characters in a wedding, but rather the main characters truly in love and starting over. Others have mentioned that this wouldn't be a bad option in other TNs (most recently for me, Sombra). I chalk it up to not enough build-up time. As good a TN as this is (and it may be the best I've ever seen , in terms of complexity and plot), it's not doing a good job of selling the main characters' love.
Why do TNs insist on doing that? They have enough time to may me physically ill, but not enough time to give me a cumulative 5 minutes of adorableness to convince me the main couple should be together?
Agree Cathyx, but the police were told they were together and the court said Orlando had to stay away from her so they removed him. I acknowledge your point but recall right out of law school (long ago), when I worked in the DA's office of a major city, there were police officers that interpreted the law as they saw it (rightly or wrongly) and those that went by the letter of the law expecting the courts to sort out the details. I've seen both approaches be right and both turn out horribly wrong even when the intent benign.
I don't know what Max was speaking of with his 3 strikes you're out thing and why he easily bailed out, perhaps that is Mexican law or TN law.
I don't know what Max was speaking of with his 3 strikes you're out thing and why he easily bailed out, perhaps that is Mexican law or TN law.
Tofie--Max was referring to violating the restraining order. The first two times, Orly would need to pay a fine. The third time it means jail time.
Thanks, Hellashelle. Perfect title, terrific recap. My favorite line: Mal is having the time of her life on top of this King’s Heap of Rats.
Nice to see MD display much visible anger. She’s suppressed a lot that she needs to get off her chest. I like that persistent but not pushy thing Max has going. He knows MD broke up with him only because of his family, and it's only a matter of time before she gives up on putting distance between the two of them.
Glad Doris kind of let Ari know she’s done with him. I’m beginning to wonder if Ari will be the “inconvenient person” in this TN, since Orlando is the type of guy who wouldn’t move on his best friend’s girl.
Do we know how Jenny pays her bills? She seems to have unlimited time to be with Julian.
Nice to see MD display much visible anger. She’s suppressed a lot that she needs to get off her chest. I like that persistent but not pushy thing Max has going. He knows MD broke up with him only because of his family, and it's only a matter of time before she gives up on putting distance between the two of them.
Glad Doris kind of let Ari know she’s done with him. I’m beginning to wonder if Ari will be the “inconvenient person” in this TN, since Orlando is the type of guy who wouldn’t move on his best friend’s girl.
Do we know how Jenny pays her bills? She seems to have unlimited time to be with Julian.
I am wondering whether Orlando calling the police would have done any good in that situation, especially since Claudio took out the restraining order.
He's not looking squeaky clean anymore and his entire family is going to really lose it over this.
We haven't heard anything about how Jenny pays her bills, but I'm sure it's nothing anyone she knows wants to know. I think she has a track record of getting money from men.
Julian would never allow anyone to call MD a slut nor would he claim to have boinked her. I don't think he can lie effectively.
UA, Hellashelle, Vivi, thanks for the info on Jenny. Honoria's turnaround on Jenny is something to see. I hope mom shushes, so Julian can make up his own mind.
I'm really, really annoyed that MD wasn't pregnant when this baby plot started, but she might be now. I really wanted Ivana to find out that MD wasn't pregnant to begin with.
Looks like I was way off with Doris and Ari breaking up because of him hypothetically hitting on Alma. I don't think I'd blame Alma for taking a lover, esp when she finds out about Isela, and if it were Ari, who could tell her the truth about Mal, Isela and the Morales girls, hey, why not?
Looks like I was way off with Doris and Ari breaking up because of him hypothetically hitting on Alma. I don't think I'd blame Alma for taking a lover, esp when she finds out about Isela, and if it were Ari, who could tell her the truth about Mal, Isela and the Morales girls, hey, why not?
Honoria is certainly a helicopter mother, but out of guilt. In contrast to Hosefa and Ursula, who are all about control. Neither Alma nor Esperanza did this in the past, hence their mentally healthier children.
Yes, at least Honoria isn't saying "you must pursue this girl!" or "you must never date that girl!" She's more "leave that chick alone; she's not into you!"
Ok, anyone else wondering if the power of adorable, adoptable babies will cool Ivana's fevered mind?
Ok, anyone else wondering if the power of adorable, adoptable babies will cool Ivana's fevered mind?
I had that brief flash hope when Ivana picked the child up at the orphanage but it was gone as she listened to MD speaking with Clara and immediately wanted to make a deal to keep MD close so the game is still on.
Ugh! I know! I still hold out hope that hanging out with the kids wins her over, but this thing with MD is beyond just wanting children; the crazy "your child is the only link to my child" thing is too out there.
However, I hope Ivana keeps eavesdropping. I want her to figure out that MD's not the villain here. MD needs more allies and one with some ready cash wouldn't hurt.
However, I hope Ivana keeps eavesdropping. I want her to figure out that MD's not the villain here. MD needs more allies and one with some ready cash wouldn't hurt.
I'm hoping, as Ivana works with MD and Doris, she realizes these are bright creative young women and it is in her interest to partner with them than to compete. MD and Doris have a start up that will challenge the typical business model and it takes guts and brains and commitment. Not at all the idea Ivana holds of poor girls looking for some rich guy to trap.
Good point, Tofie. Way back when this started I thought they'd bond over Dan's ass-ness and create an amazing line together. Since Ivy's been acting crazy, I forgot that it's still possible. And now, there's the added bonus of Doris showing them both what kick ass woman who take control of their lives can do! Ivy could use a full figured role model to snap her out of this crazy belief that no man will love her because she's bigger than average and MD needs someone who knows the truth and is willing to b**** slap Dan when he comes sniffing around.
Ivana has always known that MD is hard working, honorable, and talented. Her jealousy of MD is what's driving her to create a different narrative about who MD is. The very fact that she thinks MD would even consider selling her (hypothetical) baby, shows how delusional she is.
Can I just say that I love that there are two plus sized women, who are main characters, in a tn, whose narratives aren't driven by their weight!
So do I.
I love that Doris doesn't take any BS and that she is a loyal friend. She is due for a big reward at the end of this tale. I also hope she can somehow turn Ivana around.
Now, if there is anyone out there who can answer a legal question: If all the Santibanez end up dead and there are no relatives, what happens to their estate?
Here here!
I was just excited to see then at all! I was super happy to see that their weight isn't a constant schtick in a slapstick comedy and that they're both successful women whose lives don't revolve around weight loss. Doris has proven to be the most awesome on all fronts, but I appreciate Ivana's struggle to love herself because of body image issues.
I was just excited to see then at all! I was super happy to see that their weight isn't a constant schtick in a slapstick comedy and that they're both successful women whose lives don't revolve around weight loss. Doris has proven to be the most awesome on all fronts, but I appreciate Ivana's struggle to love herself because of body image issues.
Uhm...if MD is pregnant by Dan, her kid could inherit if (hopefully) that whole horrible family is killed off by the end.
But I'm hoping the baby is Max's. If Dan claims the baby and then dies and then it's revealed to be Max's, would the baby still inherit?
Oh, who knows? Knowing MD she would refuse it and give it all away.
I'd like to see MD and Ivana each get half to do with as she pleases. They can invest in a joint business, MD can take care of Esperanza and Clara, and Ivana can get rid of her aunt.
I'd like to see MD and Ivana each get half to do with as she pleases. They can invest in a joint business, MD can take care of Esperanza and Clara, and Ivana can get rid of her aunt.
Speaking of Susana, what's her deal? I don't want to believe she's so cruel that she just wants to torture Ivana. I want to believe she's mostly indifferent, like Ivana's a rich roommate/landlady she has to keep happy.
Even if MD ends up pregnant by Dan, I can't see her giving the baby over to Ivana to take care of. No way in the world.
Which begs the question: how does Ivana think she's getting this baby? Does she really think MD would sell the child or is she planning to put both of them in jail and then buy the baby from Ursula or something? (I imagine she figures Espy's not even a threat.)
I always figured that Ivana thinks that MD wouldn't want the baby if it's Dan's, and with all the problems that MD is having right now, i.e. money problems, threat of going to jail, and stress on her mother, that MD would give it to her with a huge check in return.
Ivana has never met Esperanza, who is the sort of mother Ivana needed and never had. Esperanza would want to help rescue the infant from the Santibanez clan.
Ivana hasn't even stopped to think about what a full-term pregnancy means in terms of emotional attachment to the infant. She has had no good example of it in her life. I am guessing her own mother went from indifferent to critical of her and her aunt might be the same or worse. She therefore would seriously envy anyone who had a loving and supportive mother even without experiencing that.
If she does ultimately adopt she should get therapy first in order to understand her motivations and what she is really getting into. The DNA connexion to her lost baby is not adequate motive for wanting MD's hypothetical baby; her envy of MD is at the core of this. Her motive is to take something away from someone, MD is a convenient victim, and to Ivana a baby is a jackpot prize.
Ivana hasn't even stopped to think about what a full-term pregnancy means in terms of emotional attachment to the infant. She has had no good example of it in her life. I am guessing her own mother went from indifferent to critical of her and her aunt might be the same or worse. She therefore would seriously envy anyone who had a loving and supportive mother even without experiencing that.
If she does ultimately adopt she should get therapy first in order to understand her motivations and what she is really getting into. The DNA connexion to her lost baby is not adequate motive for wanting MD's hypothetical baby; her envy of MD is at the core of this. Her motive is to take something away from someone, MD is a convenient victim, and to Ivana a baby is a jackpot prize.
UA - You're right, the DNA connection is kind of insane and she doesn't care about the 9 months. She wants to believe MD doesn't value any of the things Ivana envies of her.
It would be very interesting if Ivana met Espy, especially if she didn't know who she was.
It would be very interesting if Ivana met Espy, especially if she didn't know who she was.
Hellashelle, very imformative recap. this seems to be a nite for making alliances with the devil. Only its satans daughters thats
Doing the plottin. Poor MD, its a wonder this
Poot girl hasn't dropped dead with all these hatred daggers coming at her. And from these heffas that don't even know her. She has got to have a happy ending because as long as I've been watching tns, I've never seen anybody hated as much as this young woman is hated. Ok gotta go my show is on 9:00 show.
Doing the plottin. Poor MD, its a wonder this
Poot girl hasn't dropped dead with all these hatred daggers coming at her. And from these heffas that don't even know her. She has got to have a happy ending because as long as I've been watching tns, I've never seen anybody hated as much as this young woman is hated. Ok gotta go my show is on 9:00 show.
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Hello all I have had some fun and made a meme picture. It includes Dan, Ursula and Tywin Lannister :) . I could have made it better in Photoshop but my computer is not strong enough to use it. Have fun!
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