Caray, Caray!

Gracias, Vivi. This was a hell of an episode.

Does Hosefa possess a gun? Is there any way she could be the shooter? We all know she would have loved to mastermind this situation. There's no way to determine when she escaped.

BTW, Orlando and Fermin grabbing her out of the church and locking her up in the tailler was hysterical.

Of course all this could have been avoided if Max and MD had gotten married while Danny-Boy was still in the slammer.

More tomorrow. Does anyone know if our novelas are airing tomorrow and Friday?
 

Urban- According to my dvr, the evening shows are on both Thursday and Friday.
 

Don't really think there's any chance of anyone other than the people in that room shooting the gun that killed Julian. The only other suspect would be Ivana, who was at the window, but she clearly was just a horrified witness to it all.
 

And I hope she comes to her senses, but I'm not counting on it.

Honoria is off the deep end, but I was expecting that. This will certainly not help the situation.
 

What a fantastic recap for such an intense episode Vivi!

I remember when this epsidode aired and then a couple of weeks later the episode with Manolo's murder in La Malquerida came and it was crazy how we got two bloody brides so close together.

Julián's death was so sad but he kept protecting MD even as he left his world. Honoria is not able to think logically right now but it's understandable that she has all that anger for MD at the moment.

Ivana needs to go to the police right away and accuse Daniel, he is a danger to anyone on his path.

Poor Clara, all alone after Esperanza's scary fainting. Poor MD not being able to do anything when she saw her mother faint.

The last scene with Max and MD was sweet and sad.

Jarocha


 

I remember it being MD who shot the gun. I may have to go back and rewatch.


Jarocha
 

Thanks Jarocha. OMG! I can only imagine what a gut punch it must have been for Mexican viewers to have Manolo's death (and Acacia cradling his blood corps in her wedding dress) in La Malquerida, so close to THIS episode. Just thinking back to that LM episode makes me sad all over again.
 

Jarocha- Yes, MD shot the gun. Dan had hold of her hand as they struggled, but it was HER hand directly on the gun and on the trigger. I don't even think she intended to squeeze the trigger. It happened because of the struggle.
 

Mahadsanid, Vivi! (Thank You in Somali.)

What a recap oh so vivid of a capitulo that could drive anyone just plain livid.

"Julian has taken Ivana to the Santibanez."

All I gotta say is that this could have been prevented had MD pulled the SHEER LACE curtain away from the GLASS door. I mean, if Ivana was able to see how things went down through the miniscule space that allowed her to, MD could have seen Daniel from the short distance she stood at.

That red-lit closet Orly and Fer locked Ho in looked like a fiery-hot hell.

I want someone to punch Uglie Satan out. The smack to Maleny + "IF WE LIVE WITH THIS LUXURY, IT'S THANKS TO THE DEATH OF YOUR FATHER THAT YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT SO MUCH!" pushed the envelope off the desk. "I REGRET NOT HAVING ABORTED YOU WHEN I COULD'VE!!" should have but Maleny pretty much asked for it with openly ratting out Daniel to the fuzz.

Corina's prison friend portrayed by Violet Isfel is named Nayeli and the charismatic guys who say Basicamente a lot are El Barras y El Parejita.

Oy vey.

-Encaje Rojo
 

Yes Vivi, it was so sad, considering La Malquerida used to air right after YNCELH here. It was one meltdown after the other. I actually knew this episode was coming but I didn't know when. I know it was never her intenton to hurt Julián, or, as you said, to even shoot the gun but I was floored that the writers let her be the one to do it.

Manolo's death was so sad for me because he was my favorite if the young galanes. He wasn't much likeable due to his actions but I found Brandon to be the better actor of the young galanes and I liked him better for Acacia (who was not that likeable herself so I didn't mind his character failures once he apologized to Luisa, they didn't deserve better than each other anyway). I held out hope for some galan switching and then he was killed.

Jarocha
 

Maria Dolores shouldn't have been left alone as long as Daniel was on the loose, and they didn't need to have a church ceremony now, they could've had a civil ceremony in the Bustamante back yard and then had the church ceremony later. I realize Alma is short on time but they could've had a church ceremony a week or two later.

Ivana won't say a word. She talks rough and tough but she'll keep her mouth shut in the end. She's a cowardly little girl, trying to play grown folks games but loses every time. If she was really serious about telling the po po what really happened shed drive straight to the police station and tell what happened but she won't.

I think Maria Dolores will be spending the rest of the show in jail. They didn't bring on that prison administrator for nothing. Jail is probably the safest place for her right now...yes the Santibanez' can send goons to jail to harm MD but they themselves can't harm MD. Daniel cannot manhandle or force himself on her anymore if she's behind bars.

If Daniel's smart, he will leave Maria Dolores in jail to rot while he snatches her baby. That way he takes her baby and she can't be with Max.

This will also be the reason why Ivana will not say anything. At the end of the day, she can kill two birds with one stone: snatch Maria Dolores' baby and make sure Maria Dolores is put away, never to bother her, Daniel or Max ever again.

I wonder if Max' forgiveness will hold re: Claudio. Because if Claudio hadnt busted Daniel & Pal out of jail, Daniel wouldn't have been on the loose & Maria Dolores wouldn't be in jail for accidentally killing Julian.

I think Honoria will let Maria Dolores rot in jail too, as punishment.for taking Julian away from her permanently. She won't fess up about the gun, Fermin probably will.

For all of the Max/Maria Dolores intrigues, this show is really about the sad downfall of Claudio Bustamante. There's a reason why Alejandro Camacho is listed first in the credits and is the only male cast member besides Max to be in the opening credits. The majority of the situations on the show are either directly or indirectly related to Claudio. The killing of Rudolfo, Doris' origins and the Jenny/Fermin alcohol saga has nothing to do with Claudio but most of the other situations do,


 

I also think MD won't get out of jail until the next to last episode. There will probably still be gunshot residue on her hands non matter what Max did and if Ivana won't talk because she is still being a selfish cow about the baby she doesn't have much chance of getting out. Fermin's testimony about Julian's dying declaration won't mean squat because he's likely to fall off the wagon.

And if it's the same police who accused MD and Julian of Rudolfo's murder in the opening episode handling the case she's dead meat and we could have a downbeat ending.

Honoria has never been reasonable about MD with regard to Julian. This could permanently end relations between her and the Morales'.

Ivana will also have to watch her own back.

What will be interesting is what will happen to the Santibanez clan now that both of Mama Bear's cubs know what she did. Both of them are worthless as people but too much of what's happened wouldn't have if they knew she had lied about them being broke. What is getting me is why they fell for it when she failed to sell either piece of their real estate and when she kept bailing him out of his messes.
 

Thank you Vivi. This was the hardest episode to watch so far, but you captured it beautifully. I was so struck, I couldn't even check Caray last night, I was too drained and shocked to say anything at all.

Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong last night. Aon207, I think you're spot on about Dan, Ivana and Honoria letting MD rot in jail. Josefa will back them up too, of course, worming her way back into Hon's good graces as she reels in grief.

I think Claudio would try to help, but he can't. He's up in this mess up to his neck and his mess will hit the fan, smear the whole family's name, prestige and influence, including Max's, making it harder to fight for MD. Even the fact that they were held up at gunpoint won't help since they didn't file a police report, so Dan (and by Dan, I mean Ursula) will just claim they're making it up.

Well, I thought Corrina would be a prob for MD, but I didn't think it would be in prison. Whatever she's been suffering, I don't doubt she'll want MD to suffer too. Now I wonder if the baby will survive a prison beating.

Poor Julian. Poor Jenny. Just when he indicated that finally seeing MD marry someone else was inspiring to try for the same himself. This show is SO DIFFICULT!!!! They really never give us the TN version where things work out. There are no miracles, there is no happy ending. They wouldn't even give us the Dan pulling the trigger, or a non-fatal shot or a coma. No, it had to kill Julian and it had to be MD. Always MD. They're really making it hard for the audience. With her not shooting Dan, shaking and scared, and then not calling an ambulance right away, I honestly felt like whoever wrote this TN was deliberately trying to head off the likable moments for her. I almost expected her to shoot herself last night or to shoot off to the side, trying to scare Dan, and end up shooting Max/Orlando/Fermin/Ivana or any of the other innocents that could be coming to see what's up. If the Santibanez are going to accuse her of lying about the rape (with their damming evidence and the multitude of people who will back them up), on top of a murder/manslaughter charge (of shooting her best friend with a stolen gun), and she's about to be tortured in prison, I think she should be on suicide watch.

Nothing will happen with Dan and Mal. Well, def not Dan. He'll play right into his mom's smug wishes. Mal doesn't care about any of this anymore, so she's a real wild card imo.

Max is the sweetest galan ever. And last night, it looked like MD, backed up against every wall, finally realized that she's supposed to be on a team and right now, he's the one that needs to take the lead.
 

Seriously though: Alma having terminal cancer, Gerry having HIV, Julian dying?! It's not enough for Ivana, the orphan with the emotionally abusive aunt to lose a baby, she has to lose all hope of ever having one herself.(Although, uterus transplants are happening! http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1883501/woman-china-undergoes-countrys-first-successful-womb-transplant. Probably wouldn't work for Ivana though because she had the full hysterectomy...actually, I'm surprised the show hasn't addressed the consequences of that for her body.) It's not enough for Alma to have cancer, it has to be terminal and it has to have spread so that we can't even hope for a transplant or something. It's not enough for Gerry just to be gay so that there's no possibility of he and Ivana being a couple, not he has to have a ultimately fatal and contractable disease. WTH SHOW?!!!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?!!! GIVE US A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yo no creo en justicia on this show anymore.
 

Good morning, and Happy Thanksgiving!

Thanks for the great comments everyone. When this episode ended last night, I think I stared at the tv for a full two minutes before I snapped out of it and opened up my laptop to start typing. I would have gladly just gone to sleep and tried to forget the whole thing, if I didn't have to recap it. :)

I think this is what must have also made this tn so appealing. First off, it's well written and taught. But it defies telenovela tropes and conventions, and therefore never falls into cliche-- which is what we complain about all the time with tns. So here we have it. An example of a tn that thinks outside the box. Which means that not everyone good ends up happy; not everyone ends up matched up; really horrible irreversible things happen; not everything gets tied up in a neat bow; and some characters are grey, not black or white.
 

I fully agree, Vivi. For me, this is definitely a case of be careful what you wish for because while I love that this TN has gone to so many unexpected places, one thing that I really appreciate about TNs is that belief that "the good" will be rewarded and "the bad" will be punished. Here, I'm not sure the punishments or rewards will overcome the bitter taste of reality in the end.
 

Thanks, Vivi. A terrific recap of such a sad episode. You really took one for the team, covering such a horrible event on a holiday.

Julian's death is just too sad. I was looking forward to his triumph driving that special car.

Even though MD didn't kill Julian, her part in the struggle with the gun and foolishness answering the door must be tearing her apart.

One upbeat (though fleeting) moment: Orly and Fermin locking up Josefa.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
 

ivana needs to think. If Susana knew the whole story, she would make Ivana THINK: why do the Santibanez' want you to have MARIA DOLORES' baby so bad?

Ivana has convinced herself that she needs Maria's baby because it's the half sibling to the baby she should've had with Daniel. Ok, fine. But why do the Santibanez' want you to have this baby so bad?

Ivana knows they tried to kill her once before. Think, Ivana! The moment you become that baby's legal mother, you are dead! The Duval fortune passes to the baby and you're no longer needed. It's a wonder Susana hasn't brought that up to Ivana...once Ivana is dead and the fortune passes to the baby, Susana is off the gravy train. It's a wonder Gerry has t brought that up as well.

Maria Dolores' baby means the death of Ivana. To save her life she needs to give up the baby.

Will common sense and decency win out for Ivana? Or will she stay in the grips of greed, cowardice & coveting what Maria Dolores has?

If Ivana still thinks after witnessing what happened that Maria Dolores was a co-conspirator of Daniel's instead of a victim, she deserves whatever anvil she gets.

 

Thank you Vivi, such a difficult episode to have to recap, and you did it great justice. It's so sad that the only good part was how pretty the women looked at the church.

So everyone is figuring that MD will meet up with Corina in jail. I can't see how MD will survive in that environment. She'll be so damaged once she gets out, so sad.

Claudio again holds the fault for everything that has happened today. I hope everyone puts 2 and 2 together with that.
Anon207 said: For all of the Max/Maria Dolores intrigues, this show is really about the sad downfall of Claudio Bustamante. That's what I was trying to say yesterday. His story is what this TN is really about.

Ivana needs to do the right thing. But that baby dangling in front of her will be enough to sway her.

 

I'm just waiting now for everyone who hates MD to come out of the woodwork.

As for los Santibanez it still blows my mind that Ursula is so up-front with her hatred of Maleny and that Arango is so blase about it. Since we know nothing else about him beyond his association with that nest of vipers we can only assume that he is just as greedy as they are.

Ivana threatening them was so profoundly foolish I have no words. She could end up dead because of this threat and Mama Bear will just hunt fresh game.

If I don't get another chance to post to this page, everyone have a Happy Turkey Day!
 

Vivi, you said it best about what is so great about this show. It doesn't fit the mold and I love that. I've gotten so tired of the same old predictable shows. There have been so few shows that are different. I can add Que Pobres, Tan Ricos to the list of comedies that didn't fit the mold.
Right now, I'm trying to keep up with Pasion y Poder, but it is one cliche after another that I don't know how long I can hang onto it.
 

Vivi, a wonderful recap. A tragedy all around !!

What amazes me is how MD has still maintained her pregnancy after all the awful things have been happening.

If I were Ivana I would be thinking very hard why Ursula is so agreeable to giving Ivana horrible Dan's baby. She is so smart in her work but so dumb about her personal life.

Will Josefa be pissed, she can't be the one to upset MD's wedding!!

Happy Thanksgiving to all!!

Ann-NYC


 

Thank you Vivi and Happy Thanksgiving

"Let’s start with the only good from this episode"

"the great Josefa Houdini has escaped"

Cecilia Toussaint was incredible. I felt her pain

I wonder if Max and/or Claudio will put two and two together and realize the robbery was no robbery but a foiled attempt to kill Max, coinciding with Dan's attack of MD.

I hate Ivana what a worthless excuse for a human.

Dan did have a point, had Usurla not insisted Dan marry Ivana, Dan and MD would be together right now unless he abandoned her.

For the first time the whole show it appeared MD loves Max but then it could be shock.

As much as I hate the death of Julian I spent all day yesterday wondering if they would really kill Max and was shocked. Even if Max had been killed or MD spends the rest of her life in prison, I'm ok with it, and glad this show leaves all possibilities open. So much has happened to MD and those around her a happy white wedding at the end would be like a bandaid on a beheading.

 

Oh, I saw Isela double up in pain and grab her abdomen, she couldn't be TN preggers could she?
 

I think the doubling over in pain was just to slow Jo down until Orly pulled up with the car to stuff her inside. Isela was in on it.
 

I wouldn't rule out an Isela pregnancy. She freaked about it that first time, but we haven't heard anything about it since. MD commented that she was only just showing and Claudio and Isela have been sleeping together long after Dan raped MD.

If MD spends the rest of her life in prison, I think it would be too much for me. I need the Santibanez to stop getting away with things. They dip their toe in the punishment pool and then keep skating along while everyone else is tossed in with a deflating life raft if anything. This show is amazing and fresh, but d*** they've twisted people up in knots!
 

I don't rule out a pregnancy either, especially not after that conversation Leo had with his parents when he asked Claudio if he'd ever do such a thing as dump his love child on his spouse. But the stomach holding thing this episode was just a ruse to delay Jo.
 

Hope everyone had blessed Thanksgiving!

In my area they showed the same episode tonight (thursday) as they did last night.


Grrrr not happy, first the latin grammies then they repeat the same episode two nites in a row. I feel telenovela road rage. It was horrible chain off events and I couldnt wait to see continuation. So I get all comfy before long I notice its the same dern epi I already saw until thevery end. Ba wa wa!!!&));)!' Did they think nobody would notice?? Was it just my local area?
Eva
 

rerun in my area in South Florida too Eva
 

Yes, just checked and I also got a rerun. Cathyx says it looks like the next episode is posted on Hulu though. Odd.
 

Shocked and still sadden by Julian's death.

The only people who doesn't seem to be paying a steep price are the Santibanez clan. Dan went to jail for a hot minute, is hooked on drugs but what real pain have they suffered?

Honoria is partly responsible for Julian's death. Will Claudio even recognize his cowardly actions put this whole tragedia in motion.

Ugh.....yo no creo en this telenovela... I love that it's different but my heart needs a break