Thursday, February 04, 2016
El Hotel de los Secretos #8, 2/3/16 Wednesday: Teresa Schools Felipe in Tough Love
Garrido is just about to plunge his blade into Julio’s neck,
when suddenly Julio hears Pascual being hailed in the hallway and turns back to
go after him. Garrido escapes unseen, while Julio shoves Pascaul into his room,
and threatens him with his own blade, if Pascual doesn’t immediately spill what
he knows about Cristina Olmedo and the cufflink. He was her boyfriend, right?!
Pascual puts up a struggle, and Julio then accuses him of being the one who
blackmailed Diego. Don Benjamin barges in, wanting to know what’s going on with
all the ruckus. With Julio’s knife to his back, Pascual goes along with the
ruse that they were just being friendly. Ben doesn’t care. He wants Julio back
to work polishing shoes, so that they’ll be ready bright and early tomorrow
morning! Julio obeys, and leaves a very stirred and shaken Pascual.
Early the next morning, Julio delivers the shined shoes of
the guests to their doors, while Pascual, still in his skivvies in his room,
jumps at every sound, worried Julio is back to finish him off. He makes a
decision, and packs one small case…with the money he blackmailed out of Diego.
Outside, the morning is still foggy. Teresa is walking with
Felipe, who I’m shocked managed to get up at this hour. She tells him she is
perhaps at fault for him turning out to be a lazy good-for-nothing. She should
have made him work. Felipe doesn’t get it. “Isn’t
that the point? For the parents to work, so that the children want for nothing?”
Teresa thinks that if he had actually worked for something, he would know the
difference between the cost of something versus the value of something. “Not all problems can be solved with a
check, Felipe.” The cops drive up, with Andres. Teresa tells Felipe he
shouldn’t have hidden that knife in Andres’ things. He put her in a difficult
situation. Now it’s time to assume the consequences of his actions. Felipe
starts to realize that his own mother sold him out! He begs and pleads and
accuses her of betrayal. The cops release Andres to the happy arms of Belen, as
they pull a very reluctant Felipe into the car to take Andres’ place in jail
for the murder of Ximena. Isabel sadly watches the scene from the balcony
above.
Andres is greeted like the favorite son he is, as he walks
through the halls of the servants’ quarters, with hugs and kisses. He asks
Natalia if she was the one who told the cops the truth. She simply welcomes him
and goes along her way. Next, Lupe greets him, and gives him a cup of spiked
tea to give his mother, Angela—the only person who didn’t spring up and greet
Andres effusively. She remains seated, cool as a cucumber, while her son serves
her tea and takes her hand. He tells her she can lower her guard a bit. She
tells him she was never scared for him. “I
told you that I would never let anything happen to you.” Andres realizes
that it was his mother who was somehow behind his release. Angela remains mum
about her methods, and sends everyone back to work. “The best way to celebrate is with honest work.” She and Lupe flirt
in their own bizarre way, when she wonders when he’s getting back to work, and
he tells her he’s cooking up a soup with an “old hen.” (One day, these two are
going to share a passionate kiss in that kitchen.)
Garrido reports his failure to find the money in the
servants’ quarters to Diego. Diego isn’t a happy camper. Each passing moment
gives time to the blackmailer to escape with the money! And he’s totally right,
because that’s exactly what Pascual is attempting to do. He puts on his street
clothes, and tries to sneak out of the hotel. Unfortunately for him, Diego
doesn’t care that it’s his day off, and orders him to attend to some recently checked
in guests. And doubly unfortunate for him, Elisa’s assistant Victoria has
noticed his nervousness and preoccupation with the case. As soon as he leaves
to attend the guests, she opens the case and then takes it to her mistress.
Elisa realizes she can use this discovery as leverage to get the info she wants
and needs.
Andres’ arrival in the dining room causes happy Julio to
drop his serving tray. The two bro-hug, and promise to celebrate later after
work. Isabel arrives in the dining room and also greets Andres happily. She
declares him the most honest man she knows. If the police knew him like she
does, they would have never arrested him. Isa admits that she does feel sad
about her bother, but everyone has to pay for their crimes and face justice.
Andres goes to attend a table, and Julio sidles up to Isa to offer words of
sympathy over her brother, and to thank her for her gracious attitude towards
Andres. She asks him what price he would pay to get to the truth (about
Cristina). “Even your happiness?”
Julio says he would even sacrifice his happiness. “Then we’ll both pay the same price.”
In the ironing room, we know that Angela is happy because
she’s humming to herself. Teresa makes an unexpected visit, with a bundle of
blankets and clothes, prepared for Felipe. Teresa graciously congratulates
Angela on having her son back, and Angela gives her condolences for Teresa’s
son’s plight. Teresa notes how it seems their sons are on opposite sides of the
scale of fortune—when one is up, the other is down. Angela says that this isn’t
a game. If Andres were still in jail, she wouldn’t have the resources to help
him or get him out. Teresa doesn’t think it’s so easy for her or Felipe either.
His last name will only earn him enemies in jail. Angela points out that if
Felipe had even once in his life noticed and understood the poor folk around
him, he wouldn’t feel so surrounded by enemies now. Teresa seems to accept the
truth of this. She asks Angela to please have someone deliver the blankets to
Felipe. She doesn’t want him to be cold at night. Angela promises to do so.
Felipe gets taunted in prison, but he’s in a cell by
himself, so he’s safe enough.
Angela goes searching for Jacinto to give him the parcel for
Felipe, and ends up overhearing Andres and Belen between the sheets (the ones
drying on the line, dirty minds!) speaking happily about the baby. Belen doesn’t
want him spending all his money on the baby. Andres knows the baby isn’t his,
but he considers it his. He bounces off happily. Angela has heard all.
Dagoberto is having a good laugh about Felipe, and Ayala tells
him to cut it out. Their domain is the law, not divine justice. Then he has to
school Dago about treating their dead victim with respect, despite the fact
that she was a prostitute. They head to the cantina to pay their respects at
Ximena’s wake, and to get to know the local riffraff, who are always a good
source of information, according to Ayala. “The
law doesn’t function without the criminals.”
Jacinto gets the parcel from a very distracted Angela and
heads to the prison in town. The cop on duty doesn’t look trustworthy, and won’t
let Jacinto pass to see Felipe and hand the parcel to him personally, without
Ayala’s permission. He leaves and hears two of the cops mention that Ayala is
in the cantina.
Pascual comes back to the front desk to find the case of
money gone. While he panics, he has to suffer through the prattling of one of
the old female guests, and tries to figure out who took his ill-gotten gains.
He looks like he’s about to jump over the desk and strangle the old, gabby biddy.
Angela corners Natalia in the ironing room, and questions
her about her friendship with Belen. “Do
you know if Belen has been with another man in the hotel, before my son,
Andres?” Poor Natalia tries to avoid Angela’s probing gaze.
Upstairs, Elisa has summoned Diego for tea, some major shade
throwing, and to make a deal. She knows from his letters that her son hasn’t
been happy there, especially after Diego was named Director right out from
under poor little Freddy. “He’s descended
from one of the most important families in the country. Whereas you…honestly,
we don’t know anything about you. Alfredo might not know much about numbers, accounts,
or MAIDS…matters in which you are an expert. But he’s an influential man, and
that makes him into a dangerous rival.” Diego flexes his jaw and sips his
tea.
Elisa tells Diego what she wants—for her son to be far away
from this hotel and the Alarcon family. She proposes a pact. She wants Diego to
be her eyes and ears for anything that happens between Sofia and Alfredo. She
knows Sofia is hiding something, and it will be the key to getting her son out
of there. Diego wants to know what she can do for him. She hands him the case,
and tells him Victoria discovered the receptionist trying to take it. Diego
takes the case and agrees to the pact.
In the cantina, Ximena’s corpse is on display in a simple
coffin, and some of the other working girls weep over her body, including
Melibea and Violeta. Musicians play a mournful tune in the background. Genaro
is business as usual. He offers Dago and Ayala mugs of pulque, tells the band
to strike up the kind of happy tune Ximena enjoyed dancing to, and orders
Violeta up on stage to sing. She sings very well, and seems to come alive on
stage. Ayala admires Violeta’s performance
and points out to Dago that beauty pops up where you least expect it. Later,
Jacinto finally arrives at the cantina, and sees Violeta fighting off a horny
customer. He seems about to intervene, but Gernaro steps in to make it clear to
Violeta that it’s her job. He placates the customer, and sends Violeta off to
wait for her punishment. Jacinto stumbles out of the cantina and into the light
off day, shocked to learn just what/who his fair amor is.
Don Ben finds Julio and Andres ironing the newspapers. He gives
Julio his usual daily scold and scowl, and actually breaks into a smile to
praise Andres and tell him how good it is to have him back. Julio tells Andres
that Ben has been particularly hard on him ever since he found him with Isabel.
Andres tells him he’s playing with fire. “I’m
not playing. Not with her….The eyes of Isabel…the goodness in her glance. I don’t
know how she does it, but she soothes my anger. Her eyes take away my
exhaustion. They make me think that perhaps there’s a better way to live in this
world.”
Meanwhile, Isabel is in her room and writes a letter to her friend
Matilde (who shocks men on the street with her trousers). Isa tells her how
much she misses her advice and friendship. She tells her she’s met a man. “He’s not like any other man I’ve known. For
him, justice isn’t just an idea—it’s his life. It’s in everything he does….His
eyes show me what I am. All the things I don’t want to see. The little that I
really know about the world, how selfish I can be. But he also makes me feel
brave. When he looks at me, I feel like the world can change, beginning with
him, and me.” Isa asks Matilde to come see her as soon as possible.
Diego and Garrido rush with the case in hand to the
reception desk. Diego bumps into Julio, and is short with him. When Diego asks Pascual
what he was doing with the case of money at reception, Pascual says that one of
the waiters gave it to him to guard. Who? The waiter you just ran into- Julio
Espinoza. Diego stupidly hands over the case of money to Pascual for
safekeeping, then he and Garrido go searching for Julio. Pascual is ready to
make his escape, when Isabel unluckily chooses that moment to ask Pascual for a
stamp for her letter. Instead, he takes the letter opener, and holds it to her
back as he takes her hostage. He makes her carry the case of money, then he marches
her down the steps, over the path, and through the woods. Julio sees them and
follows. Diego sees Julio and follows.
Pascual promises Isabel he won’t hurt her—just keep her
until he can make a clean getaway. He takes her to the creek crossing where the
money drop took place. Julio intercepts them and tells Pascual to release Isa.
Pascual wants to know who Julio is, and why he keeps popping up everywhere.
Julio says he wants to know about Cristina Olmedo. He admits he’s Julio Olmedo—Cristina’s
brother. He lets Pascual know he knows he blackmailed Diego, because he knows
what happened to Cristina. Pascual is shocked by Julio’s admission and refuses
to believe it. Isabel chimes in and says it’s true. Julio tells him about the
significance of the cufflinks Cristina gave him, giving him the detail of Cris
always putting them under her pillow, like a talisman. Pascual finally believes
him.
P: You’re Julio? Her
twin? (Julio nods.)
J: Did you do
something to Cristina?
P: (crying) I fell in
love with her from the first moment I saw her. I would never, NEVER do anything
to her, NEVER!
J: Then, who was it?
Was it Felipe Alarcon?
P: Don Felipe has
nothing to do with this.
J: Then, who killed
her, Pascual?!
A shot suddenly rings out. We don’t see who ends up hit
(although we can guess), but we do see the shooter—Diego!
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Now, I am wondering about this plot, having reviewed cap 1:
Please correct me if I have the facts wrong or you have a better explanation:
1.) At the start Mother Teresa accused Cristina of having "something" that belonged to MT. Cristina did not deny it. Cristina threatened MT that she knew something or had something which would cause MT to lose the hotel. What could that be?
Dialogue:
"teresa: estas mintiendo de nuevo, cristina,
tu y yo sabemos que tienes algo que me pertenece,
y no te vas a ir de aqui hasta que me lo devuelvas.
cristina: si usted me hace algo, todo el mundo va a saber la verdad, y usted va a perder el hotel."
What is this "verdad"? Is it a lost will leaving the hotel to someone other than MT, other than to Isabel? A month later, Julio discovered the cache of Cristina with a key in it. Did he also discover Cristina's diary. What does that key open? Is it a box that has the will? Can we assume that whatever alleged property of MT that Cristina stole, that is the thing which could make MT lose the hotel? Is the stolen thing that will take the hotel from MT the key or the ledger?
2.) Felipe was disinherited. Isabel inherited the hotel (or part of it) instead of him. I am not sure if Isabel is the sole legal owner now or not. To be disinherited is a big deal.
3) Mother Teresa insists that Sophia have a son, even by faking it & taking Belen's son whenever Belen gives birth. Does the Old Goat's will require it?
4) MT insists that Isabel marry Diego. Apparently MT lied about the hotel being broke & needing Diego's money. Is that another plan to get a grandson, or secure the inheritance to Isabel?
Possible explanation: The Old Goat (defunct now) Sr. Alcance found out that Felipe was not his son & thus disinherited him. He stated in his will that his bienes should go to the first son that either of his daughters would have, or that for a daughter to inherit, she must have a son. Then the will of the old goat cud be the thing that Cristina stole from Mother Teresa. And cud it be that the sins of the old goat compromised the inheritance? Teresa said, "tu padre era un buen hombre, hija, pero cometio muchos pecados."
Now if MT fails to get a grandson, does that somehow make her lose the hotel??? Would it then go to Angela & Andres, Andres being the Old Goat's son? Imagine an ending with Angela & Andres owning the hotel, while Mother Teresa is a maid! We cud see her emptying chamber pots.
Or cud Julio turn out to be the son of the Old Goat ? If so, Isabel will not be his daughter. Will the core of this telenovela turn out to be mistaken/unknown parentage?
Incidentally, my theory is that the great love of Teresa's life is Teresa -- she always looks out for #1. I think she wanted Felipe to go to prison and framed him to protect herself. Cud it be that he is the true heir, but not MT's son? - Enoch
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Great recap Vivi!! Love all your details and insight.
Had such a headache after work last night and thought maybe I would just turn in instead of watch, and then the first few minutes came on as I was straightening up, and forget it. I was hooked. This show....
So Angela knows the baby isn't Belen's, so I expect out mama tiger is going to get to the dirty facts about her and Diego. Then what she does with that will be interesting.
Can I just say everything about Daniela Romo in this TN is awesome. There have been TN's I wasn't so crazy about her characters, but she is amazing here. It's acting class watching her. And I agree, if she and Lupe don't have that downstairs secret attraction thing going on, I'll eat my beanie. (After I scrape it off the wall watching PyP last night. )
And meanwhile, we have the two vipers teaming up. You have to wonder how Alfredo and Sophia got together and why his mother is so opposed to the marriage. Are they true society and so a marriage to a business owner's daughter, no matter how rich, is deemed beneath him? To go to the lengths she is just is nuts.
I rather like the slow burn of Isa and Julio as they work on this together. So more true to the characters.
Wanna bet Pascual doesn't know who killed Cristina?
Daisynjay
Had such a headache after work last night and thought maybe I would just turn in instead of watch, and then the first few minutes came on as I was straightening up, and forget it. I was hooked. This show....
So Angela knows the baby isn't Belen's, so I expect out mama tiger is going to get to the dirty facts about her and Diego. Then what she does with that will be interesting.
Can I just say everything about Daniela Romo in this TN is awesome. There have been TN's I wasn't so crazy about her characters, but she is amazing here. It's acting class watching her. And I agree, if she and Lupe don't have that downstairs secret attraction thing going on, I'll eat my beanie. (After I scrape it off the wall watching PyP last night. )
And meanwhile, we have the two vipers teaming up. You have to wonder how Alfredo and Sophia got together and why his mother is so opposed to the marriage. Are they true society and so a marriage to a business owner's daughter, no matter how rich, is deemed beneath him? To go to the lengths she is just is nuts.
I rather like the slow burn of Isa and Julio as they work on this together. So more true to the characters.
Wanna bet Pascual doesn't know who killed Cristina?
Daisynjay
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: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 6:57:00 AM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 6:57:00 AM EST
Morning, Daisynajay! I totally get why you couldn't turn this off last night. The opening scenes were quite gripping.
I don't think Pascual is going to get the chance to say what he does or doesn't know, since I'm pretty sure Diego's shot will silence him. Not a spoiler, just the way it looks to me.
I don't think Pascual is going to get the chance to say what he does or doesn't know, since I'm pretty sure Diego's shot will silence him. Not a spoiler, just the way it looks to me.
Thank you, Vivi. I missed this last night but not really with your wonderfully detailed recap. "A shaken and stirred Pascual" well put!
This is so fast moving with one secret just leading to another. I will be watching tonight to see who gets the bullet.
This is so fast moving with one secret just leading to another. I will be watching tonight to see who gets the bullet.
Thanks, Jarifa. Yes, each day some new secret is revealed.
Pascual seemed to be very genuine in his declaration of his feelings for Cris. I wonder why she never told Julio in her letters?
I believe this is also the first time we're learning that Julio and Cris are twins (mellizos). It explains why they are so close and bonded.
Pascual seemed to be very genuine in his declaration of his feelings for Cris. I wonder why she never told Julio in her letters?
I believe this is also the first time we're learning that Julio and Cris are twins (mellizos). It explains why they are so close and bonded.
Thank you Vivi, you always do a great job.
So Julio and Cristina are twins, that's interesting. Yes, I think Pascual will be shot and unable to tell what he knows. There is so many more shows to come before that's revealed.
More when I get home from work.
So Julio and Cristina are twins, that's interesting. Yes, I think Pascual will be shot and unable to tell what he knows. There is so many more shows to come before that's revealed.
More when I get home from work.
Thank you, Vivi! Like Daisynjay, I thought I was going to turn in early last night... but I was wrong. But as excited as I was, I still couldn't follow everything. It just goes too fast. I'm grateful I only need to recap once a week. Again, thank you, thank you.
Elisa continues to astonish. She and Victoria should be working for UNCLE or some other international espionage outfit. Yes, her motivation level seems over-the-top. The Alarcons seem well enough regarded within the local community and among the clientele, but Elisa seems to think they (except for maybe the late Romulo) are garbage.
Ironing newspapers?? I saw it, but I don't understand it. That's not really a thing, is it? Were they perhaps using the newspaper to protect some more delicate item underneath? (No, you'd use something less inky, like a towel, for a presscloth, right?) Very odd.
If Diego did shoot and even kill Pascual, he will come off as a big hero for "saving" Isabel from that fearsome letter-opener. (Even if Julio and Isabel know better.) Unbelievable.
Belen really does seem to be trying her best with Andres. However, I thought I saw sparks from Natalia around Andres and she seems a more realistic match for him in the long term, unless Belen is going to teach Andres how to spank. Alas, I don't have a good feeling about the long-term prospects of Andres and Belen. In fact, I don't have a good feeling about Belen's long-term survival either. Playing with Diego is playing with fire, and you know what they say about that. Plus, she could die in childbirth. Yes, I'm getting way ahead of myself, but it's hard not to!
Elisa continues to astonish. She and Victoria should be working for UNCLE or some other international espionage outfit. Yes, her motivation level seems over-the-top. The Alarcons seem well enough regarded within the local community and among the clientele, but Elisa seems to think they (except for maybe the late Romulo) are garbage.
Ironing newspapers?? I saw it, but I don't understand it. That's not really a thing, is it? Were they perhaps using the newspaper to protect some more delicate item underneath? (No, you'd use something less inky, like a towel, for a presscloth, right?) Very odd.
If Diego did shoot and even kill Pascual, he will come off as a big hero for "saving" Isabel from that fearsome letter-opener. (Even if Julio and Isabel know better.) Unbelievable.
Belen really does seem to be trying her best with Andres. However, I thought I saw sparks from Natalia around Andres and she seems a more realistic match for him in the long term, unless Belen is going to teach Andres how to spank. Alas, I don't have a good feeling about the long-term prospects of Andres and Belen. In fact, I don't have a good feeling about Belen's long-term survival either. Playing with Diego is playing with fire, and you know what they say about that. Plus, she could die in childbirth. Yes, I'm getting way ahead of myself, but it's hard not to!
FELIPE IS NOT THE SON OF MOTHER TERESA!
IMHO:
That is my guess; but last night there was more support for the guess; what mother wud put her own son in jail? Generally, the (in)justice system of telenovelas is annoying (but so is that of the USA!). Is there anyone who had a motive for killing Felipe's playmate besides Mother Teresa? My guess is that Felipe is the son of Angela by Teresa's defunct husband.
Now what other mistaken, unknown parentages are there?
Does anyone else with me find the maid of the old suegra of Sophia annoying? Both the suegra & her maid are insufferable metiches. What business does that maid have of getting into Pascual's suitcase? The quantity of money in the suitcase, did not require a suitcase anyway. And Pascual is chubby enough to conceal it on his body.
That Cristiana did not tell Julio about her having a novio is quite understandable, given the telenovela convention whereby the father or brother of a girl has a conniption fit at the thought of someone smooching the girl -- tho both father & brother be whore-mongers.
IMHO:
That is my guess; but last night there was more support for the guess; what mother wud put her own son in jail? Generally, the (in)justice system of telenovelas is annoying (but so is that of the USA!). Is there anyone who had a motive for killing Felipe's playmate besides Mother Teresa? My guess is that Felipe is the son of Angela by Teresa's defunct husband.
Now what other mistaken, unknown parentages are there?
Does anyone else with me find the maid of the old suegra of Sophia annoying? Both the suegra & her maid are insufferable metiches. What business does that maid have of getting into Pascual's suitcase? The quantity of money in the suitcase, did not require a suitcase anyway. And Pascual is chubby enough to conceal it on his body.
That Cristiana did not tell Julio about her having a novio is quite understandable, given the telenovela convention whereby the father or brother of a girl has a conniption fit at the thought of someone smooching the girl -- tho both father & brother be whore-mongers.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:32:00 AM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:32:00 AM EST
You're welcome, Julie!
They were ironing the newspapers so that the ink doesn't come off and stain the guests' hands and clothes. The heat helps the ink hold fast. Don Ben told Julio that if he heard one guest complain about a stain (from the paper), Julio would be in trouble.
They were ironing the newspapers so that the ink doesn't come off and stain the guests' hands and clothes. The heat helps the ink hold fast. Don Ben told Julio that if he heard one guest complain about a stain (from the paper), Julio would be in trouble.
ANON 11:32- By your same theory, then Angela wouldn't want Felipe in jail either, if he were her son. Not quite seeing that work out, but it's early days and any theory is valid!
Thank you so much Vivi. Missed last three nights and only caught the end of this one. Awesome.
I love everything about this one except when someone if following someone they are breathing down their neck. Little more distance
Don't quite see how Isabel knows Julio is a bastion of justice (in everything he does) when all he's trying to do is find his twin sister.
I love everything about this one except when someone if following someone they are breathing down their neck. Little more distance
Don't quite see how Isabel knows Julio is a bastion of justice (in everything he does) when all he's trying to do is find his twin sister.
Could Andres be the actual son of Mother Teresa? Could it be that her defunct husband impotent at the time Mother Teresa got pregnant by some other man? So she concealed the pregnancy & gave Andres to the ama de las llaves???
Can anyone think of a scenario in which Isabel has unknown/mistaken parentage? We don't want her to be the twin of Julio, switched with Cristina at birth.
What is the average number of unknown/mistaken parentages per telenovela? I saw one in which there were quite a number, Amarte Asi:
Frijolito's father (male protagonist Nacho) was unknown.
Nacho's father was unknown.
The female protagonists's "sister" (Rosita) turned out not to be her half-sister (wrong father).
Rosita's novio had unknown father.
The evil novia (Chantal)'s mother turned out to be a witch who had sold her to her supposed mother (for 2 televisors, never paid!)
The "heavy" brother of Nacho's father was unknown.
Nacho's sister had an unknown father.
Frijolito's friend, Antonio, probably was not the villains's son, but the son of the "heavy" brother.
Is there any way that an unknown/mistaken parentage would account for 2 men after one woman? Both Julio & Diego are after Isabel. That suggests that they are brothers in Telenovela convention. If we get 2 women after 1 man, that suggests that the women are sisters.
Please share any unknown/mistaken parentage speculations. This telenovela is very likely to have this theme.
Can anyone think of a scenario in which Isabel has unknown/mistaken parentage? We don't want her to be the twin of Julio, switched with Cristina at birth.
What is the average number of unknown/mistaken parentages per telenovela? I saw one in which there were quite a number, Amarte Asi:
Frijolito's father (male protagonist Nacho) was unknown.
Nacho's father was unknown.
The female protagonists's "sister" (Rosita) turned out not to be her half-sister (wrong father).
Rosita's novio had unknown father.
The evil novia (Chantal)'s mother turned out to be a witch who had sold her to her supposed mother (for 2 televisors, never paid!)
The "heavy" brother of Nacho's father was unknown.
Nacho's sister had an unknown father.
Frijolito's friend, Antonio, probably was not the villains's son, but the son of the "heavy" brother.
Is there any way that an unknown/mistaken parentage would account for 2 men after one woman? Both Julio & Diego are after Isabel. That suggests that they are brothers in Telenovela convention. If we get 2 women after 1 man, that suggests that the women are sisters.
Please share any unknown/mistaken parentage speculations. This telenovela is very likely to have this theme.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:49:00 AM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:49:00 AM EST
Agree Vivi, yes, Julie, for those times in an upper-class establishment, they woud iron the newspapers. Some of the all-men's clubs in England and NY use to do the same thing before putting them out. They would initially be laid out in full on a table so as not to crease either. heaven forbid there was that initial fold!!
I have a tendency to agree that something is up with Felipe's parentage. Angela looked genuinely surprised to see tears starting in Teresa's eyes before she walked out. There is also a regalness ( sorry, always making up words) to Angela that Teresa tries to have, but really doesn't. I soooo want to know Angela's background.
Daisynjay
I have a tendency to agree that something is up with Felipe's parentage. Angela looked genuinely surprised to see tears starting in Teresa's eyes before she walked out. There is also a regalness ( sorry, always making up words) to Angela that Teresa tries to have, but really doesn't. I soooo want to know Angela's background.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:51:00 AM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:51:00 AM EST
Vivi said: "ANON 11:32- By your same theory, then Angela wouldn't want Felipe in jail either, if he were her son. Not quite seeing that work out, but it's early days and any theory is valid!"
Did we see that Angela wanted Felipe in jail? Is my memory wrong? It seems to me that Angela threatened Teresa not with outing Felipe, but outing the Sophia false pregnancy. Was there any indication that Angela wanted Felipe in jail? -- Enoch
Did we see that Angela wanted Felipe in jail? Is my memory wrong? It seems to me that Angela threatened Teresa not with outing Felipe, but outing the Sophia false pregnancy. Was there any indication that Angela wanted Felipe in jail? -- Enoch
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:54:00 AM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:54:00 AM EST
Daisynjay- Yes, in addition to helping the ink hold fast, the ironing also just made the papers look nice and crisp, and un-creased. The rich were so picky!
I agree that Angela does carry herself regally, but I don't think this was unusual for the ama de llaves, just as the butler was a perfect reflection of the manners and mannerisms of the master of the house.
I agree that Angela does carry herself regally, but I don't think this was unusual for the ama de llaves, just as the butler was a perfect reflection of the manners and mannerisms of the master of the house.
Enoch- By freeing Andres, Felipe was jailed. Angela did not express any emotion over this, other than feeling sorry for Teresa. If Felipe were Angela's son, I think we would see some display of concern from her, even a private one like she did with Andres.
Vivi, thanks for explaining about the newspaper ink. That whole conversation went right over my head, obviously!
I'd like to go a step further on Anon 11:32's musings and suggest that Felipe and Andres are twins. Tere lost a baby at the same time, and Angela was obliged to hand over one of hers. Of course, as others have pointed out, it's a little odd that Angela wouldn't be more upset about him (not just that he's going to jail, but that he turned out to be a bum in general).
The idea of Tere having to hand off her own son for Angela to raise is even more intriguing, but equally harder to swallow as well. Still, I agree that there's got to be something very weird going on in the Alarcon bloodline.
Here's another idea: Angela and Teresa are half-sisters. That would explain A LOT.
I'd like to go a step further on Anon 11:32's musings and suggest that Felipe and Andres are twins. Tere lost a baby at the same time, and Angela was obliged to hand over one of hers. Of course, as others have pointed out, it's a little odd that Angela wouldn't be more upset about him (not just that he's going to jail, but that he turned out to be a bum in general).
The idea of Tere having to hand off her own son for Angela to raise is even more intriguing, but equally harder to swallow as well. Still, I agree that there's got to be something very weird going on in the Alarcon bloodline.
Here's another idea: Angela and Teresa are half-sisters. That would explain A LOT.
Vivi said: "ANON 11:32- By your same theory, then Angela wouldn't want Felipe in jail either, if he were her son. Not quite seeing that work out, but it's early days and any theory is valid!"
Did we see that Angela wanted Felipe in jail? Is my memory wrong? It seems to me that Angela threatened Teresa not with outing Felipe, but outing the Sophia false pregnancy. Was there any indication that Angela wanted Felipe in jail?
As to unknown/mistaken parentage, we already have it (a bit) with Belen's brat. The parentage seems known to the audience (but with Belen, kemo sabe?), but the characters think the unborn baby is of Andres.
(I hope this is not a duplicate post; the system seems to have me confused)
-- Enoch
Did we see that Angela wanted Felipe in jail? Is my memory wrong? It seems to me that Angela threatened Teresa not with outing Felipe, but outing the Sophia false pregnancy. Was there any indication that Angela wanted Felipe in jail?
As to unknown/mistaken parentage, we already have it (a bit) with Belen's brat. The parentage seems known to the audience (but with Belen, kemo sabe?), but the characters think the unborn baby is of Andres.
(I hope this is not a duplicate post; the system seems to have me confused)
-- Enoch
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 12:19:00 PM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 12:19:00 PM EST
There's no indication that Angela wanted Felipe in jail, but clearly she was okay with him going to jail - because in order to get Andres out, Tere would have to tell the truth about where the knife was found. Too many people already knew the truth at that point, so she had little choice.
Enoch:
I suppose it never occurred to Ayala that finding the murder weapon knife under someone's mattress, proves nothing about who killed the girl, except that someone who lives at the hotel, probably a servant or staff member, done it. I think they could have milked the knife more & had it passed around in turn as each person found it under his bed! I can't think of any reason why Felipe wud do such a murder. Mother Teresa is the only one who had a motive (bringing that tart disgraced her business). Mother Teresa, IMHO, does not love Felipe at all; she had rather put the blame on his than have her own motives questioned. Of course Mother Teresa wud not do the murder herself; she would have used an accomplice. The sending of clothes to Felipe was probably done to make it look like she cares for her supposed son.
Now Detective Ayala (shud we call him Columbo for his table manners?)
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I suppose it never occurred to Ayala that finding the murder weapon knife under someone's mattress, proves nothing about who killed the girl, except that someone who lives at the hotel, probably a servant or staff member, done it. I think they could have milked the knife more & had it passed around in turn as each person found it under his bed! I can't think of any reason why Felipe wud do such a murder. Mother Teresa is the only one who had a motive (bringing that tart disgraced her business). Mother Teresa, IMHO, does not love Felipe at all; she had rather put the blame on his than have her own motives questioned. Of course Mother Teresa wud not do the murder herself; she would have used an accomplice. The sending of clothes to Felipe was probably done to make it look like she cares for her supposed son.
Now Detective Ayala (shud we call him Columbo for his table manners?)
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Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 12:53:00 PM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 12:53:00 PM EST
Sorry, I got it cut off:
Now Detective Ayala, doesn't he with his great science consider motive?
Now Detective Ayala, doesn't he with his great science consider motive?
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 12:54:00 PM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 12:54:00 PM EST
I don't think Ayala is all that convinced that Felipe did it. He went to the cantina precisely because he wants to learn more about all the players. He wouldn't have bothered if he felt the Ximena murder case was open and shut with Felipe in prison.
Vivi--This was a delight on an otherwise gloomy, dreary and soggy day (well, the snow is almost gone and the hyacinths and miniature iris are poking up again).
In the Angela-Lupe zinger, it was even funnier when she walked in and he was declaring that he was going to prepare ox-tail soup (cola de buey). Her comment was that he wouldn't have to go far to find it. That's when he came back with the someday I'll make soup with an old hen.
What an unfortunate moment for someone to get shot. I wonder if Diego wasn't really aiming for Julio. Pascual had led him to believe that it was Julio that gave him the money. He sees Julio, Pascual and his beloved Isabel standing by the water arguing. He probably believes Isabel is in danger. Of the three Julio seems the most likely blackmailer, but Diego saw Julio following Pascual and Isabel, so we hope he re-thought his target.
I think he knows it wasn't Julio. Julio hasn't been there long enough to know what happened to Cristina and I don't think he overheard Julio saying he was Cristina's twin. That statement really threw me a curve. Julio always called her his sister. Fruthermore, traditionally, twins are named closely--like Cristian and Cristina. (I just took a tuck in my Emilia-made beanie.)
In the Angela-Lupe zinger, it was even funnier when she walked in and he was declaring that he was going to prepare ox-tail soup (cola de buey). Her comment was that he wouldn't have to go far to find it. That's when he came back with the someday I'll make soup with an old hen.
What an unfortunate moment for someone to get shot. I wonder if Diego wasn't really aiming for Julio. Pascual had led him to believe that it was Julio that gave him the money. He sees Julio, Pascual and his beloved Isabel standing by the water arguing. He probably believes Isabel is in danger. Of the three Julio seems the most likely blackmailer, but Diego saw Julio following Pascual and Isabel, so we hope he re-thought his target.
I think he knows it wasn't Julio. Julio hasn't been there long enough to know what happened to Cristina and I don't think he overheard Julio saying he was Cristina's twin. That statement really threw me a curve. Julio always called her his sister. Fruthermore, traditionally, twins are named closely--like Cristian and Cristina. (I just took a tuck in my Emilia-made beanie.)
Anita- Thank you for adding some more of that exchange between Lupe and Angela. The whole thing was funny.
Perhaps Cristina and Julio were simply given family names-- e.g., named after their parents or grandparents.
But the fact that Pascual knew that tidbit was to show us that indeed, he and Cris had a close enough relationship for her to speak about her twin.
Perhaps Cristina and Julio were simply given family names-- e.g., named after their parents or grandparents.
But the fact that Pascual knew that tidbit was to show us that indeed, he and Cris had a close enough relationship for her to speak about her twin.
Great work, Vivi. I am so loving this series!
Put me down as thinking that Angela and Teresa are half-sisters. Do we know how long Teresa's (or her late husband's) family has owned this hotel?
I've seen newspapers being ironed in Masterpiece Theatre period pieces and I have to say that one reason I hate newspapers is the ink rubbing off my hands, clothes, etc. Not to mention being clumsy to turn the pages when seated. Ironing the pages makes them easier to turn as well, although it would be cruel and unusual punishment to expect a butler today to iron a Sunday Times.
Elise and her maid probably are the sort of snob set that looks down on people "in trade." I'm sure Victoria considers herself above even the highest employee of the hotel.
I'm sure Ximena's corpse wasm't embalmed. Its presence in the bar/brothel would be a major board of health violation today.
Love how Ayala and his sidekick are checking out the demi-monde. Hate hoe Gennaro is so willing to pimp out his own niece.
Put me down as thinking that Angela and Teresa are half-sisters. Do we know how long Teresa's (or her late husband's) family has owned this hotel?
I've seen newspapers being ironed in Masterpiece Theatre period pieces and I have to say that one reason I hate newspapers is the ink rubbing off my hands, clothes, etc. Not to mention being clumsy to turn the pages when seated. Ironing the pages makes them easier to turn as well, although it would be cruel and unusual punishment to expect a butler today to iron a Sunday Times.
Elise and her maid probably are the sort of snob set that looks down on people "in trade." I'm sure Victoria considers herself above even the highest employee of the hotel.
I'm sure Ximena's corpse wasm't embalmed. Its presence in the bar/brothel would be a major board of health violation today.
Love how Ayala and his sidekick are checking out the demi-monde. Hate hoe Gennaro is so willing to pimp out his own niece.
Vivi: loved your recap. Especially the "between the sheets" line!
I think Pascual is sincere and we can rule out Felipe as a suspect.
I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the world there's a butler ironing a newspaper.
Perhaps one or both of the twins is using a middle name.
Nanette
I think Pascual is sincere and we can rule out Felipe as a suspect.
I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the world there's a butler ironing a newspaper.
Perhaps one or both of the twins is using a middle name.
Nanette
I'll buy into maybe Tere and Angela being half-sisters...there seems to be something more there than employer/employee. Either that, as I had guessed once, Terese may have started below stairs herself and over compensates in her actions to justify she is now above stairs.
My thinking is not so much that Felippe would be Angie's because I think we would see more of a tenderness in her watching him, but I will put it out there that maybe Isabel and Andres are either twins or brother/sister or half-brother sister. Angela seems to have genuine fondness for her, watches out for her, and Isabel seems very comfortable with her. Isa's face just lit up seeing him yesterday, and yes, they grew up in the same household but what if they share common parentage or at least fathers? Just a thought.
Daisynjay
My thinking is not so much that Felippe would be Angie's because I think we would see more of a tenderness in her watching him, but I will put it out there that maybe Isabel and Andres are either twins or brother/sister or half-brother sister. Angela seems to have genuine fondness for her, watches out for her, and Isabel seems very comfortable with her. Isa's face just lit up seeing him yesterday, and yes, they grew up in the same household but what if they share common parentage or at least fathers? Just a thought.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 2:53:00 PM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 2:53:00 PM EST
Since we've never heard of the man who fathered Andres, I definitely feel there's a great possibility that Don Romulo Alarcon could be his daddy. Add to that the fact that there is no romantic interest/tension between Isabel and Andres at all, and there is a strange tension between Teresa/Angela and Felipe/Andres.
Bloomers! That's exactly the word I was searching through my brain for to describe Matilde's trousers. Urban, I'm sure Matilde is all about women's rights and freedoms. Wait till Teresa sees her bloomers.
Fancy-pants Matilde will make their heads explode.
Say, did the piano man leave? I haven't seen his dogs lately.
Say, did the piano man leave? I haven't seen his dogs lately.
I'm looking forward to that!
As to Teresa's speech to Felipe, this suggests to me that this family hasn't been rich for more than two generations. Kind of like the Gomez-Lunas and the Montenegros in Poder. I think that Teresa is a control-freak who will do things herself rather than have the patience to see Felipe make mistakes she has to correct because she is too insecure to not think that there is no recovery from mistakes. Isabel is into her own thing (which Teresa fails to understand) and Sofia has complied with Teresa's (or society's) dictate that a woman is nothing without a man. This all says that the Alarcons were on their way up but haven't gotten far enough to be bulletproof.
As to Teresa's speech to Felipe, this suggests to me that this family hasn't been rich for more than two generations. Kind of like the Gomez-Lunas and the Montenegros in Poder. I think that Teresa is a control-freak who will do things herself rather than have the patience to see Felipe make mistakes she has to correct because she is too insecure to not think that there is no recovery from mistakes. Isabel is into her own thing (which Teresa fails to understand) and Sofia has complied with Teresa's (or society's) dictate that a woman is nothing without a man. This all says that the Alarcons were on their way up but haven't gotten far enough to be bulletproof.
UA, that makes a lot of sense and it would explain why Elisa looks down her nose at the Alarcons. Teresa certainly does not have the same kind of mentality as old-money Elisa, either. I have noticed that old-money families are more likely to scoff at the threat of scandal; Teresa is terrified of the slightest whiff. Of course, running a service business contributes legitimately to that fear, but it also locks the Alarcons into a different class than the Vergaras.
But Teresa's fear is exactly why I started to think that she and Angela must be half-sisters (at least). On Angela's side, I see deep, long-simmering resentment. On Teresa's side I see only fear. It seems to me that the resentment and fear are too profound and too personal to be about their children or their man/men. It has to be something about the women themselves, their very identities. And in many ways, they are more alike than different, and many of their differences can be accounted for by their particular situations.
(The robot-checker is making enter house numbers again instead of identifying photos of cookies. I'm so confused.)
But Teresa's fear is exactly why I started to think that she and Angela must be half-sisters (at least). On Angela's side, I see deep, long-simmering resentment. On Teresa's side I see only fear. It seems to me that the resentment and fear are too profound and too personal to be about their children or their man/men. It has to be something about the women themselves, their very identities. And in many ways, they are more alike than different, and many of their differences can be accounted for by their particular situations.
(The robot-checker is making enter house numbers again instead of identifying photos of cookies. I'm so confused.)
Thanks so much, Vivi! Very entertaining account, and I too loved your description of the shenanigans between the sheets.
So now Angela knows Andres isn't really the father of Belen's baby. I wonder if that improves or worsens her opinion of her son. On the one hand, he apparently wasn't hitting the sack with her, in violation of Angela's apparent moral code which she's taught him. On the other, he's still willing to take up with Belen. And Angela seems to loathe Belen.
Elisa's sleuthy sidekick is an entertaining piece of work. Also I can hardly wait for Matilde and her trousers and her progressive views to show up and shake things up.
Someone needs to save that poor girl from the brothel. The musical scene the other night was a little odd. I wonder where they're going with that bit. This character didn't exist in the original Gran Hotel, so I have no idea. Can she escape to a better job at the hotel? Maybe not, if she's pregnant and her horrid mother and uncle are too close by and can haul her back and pimp her out. I can't imagine Teresa would want her baby, because it's unlikely they could pass it off as a child of Sobfia and Afraido.
So now Angela knows Andres isn't really the father of Belen's baby. I wonder if that improves or worsens her opinion of her son. On the one hand, he apparently wasn't hitting the sack with her, in violation of Angela's apparent moral code which she's taught him. On the other, he's still willing to take up with Belen. And Angela seems to loathe Belen.
Elisa's sleuthy sidekick is an entertaining piece of work. Also I can hardly wait for Matilde and her trousers and her progressive views to show up and shake things up.
Someone needs to save that poor girl from the brothel. The musical scene the other night was a little odd. I wonder where they're going with that bit. This character didn't exist in the original Gran Hotel, so I have no idea. Can she escape to a better job at the hotel? Maybe not, if she's pregnant and her horrid mother and uncle are too close by and can haul her back and pimp her out. I can't imagine Teresa would want her baby, because it's unlikely they could pass it off as a child of Sobfia and Afraido.
I meant to add, Alfraido is a new one for me - and I really like it. If we are creating goals for each of these characters, my goal for Alfredo would be to stand up to his mother and defend his wife.
Elisa should really be nicer to him because it seems to me as though she's as hot for him to inherit as he is. Maybe Elisa's own money is about to dry up and she needs him to inherit and share with her? If so, then if she finds out Sobfia's secret, she may be forced to join the fake-pregnancy conspiracy. Either that or convince Fraido to quickly divorce Sobfia and marry some other fertile woman in a hurry.
Or maybe I am reading her completely wrong, and she doesn't need the inheritance at all and doesn't care whether he gets it or not, as long as he gets away from those awful Alarcons.
(Dammit, I am not a robot! Just ask my doctor!!)
Elisa should really be nicer to him because it seems to me as though she's as hot for him to inherit as he is. Maybe Elisa's own money is about to dry up and she needs him to inherit and share with her? If so, then if she finds out Sobfia's secret, she may be forced to join the fake-pregnancy conspiracy. Either that or convince Fraido to quickly divorce Sobfia and marry some other fertile woman in a hurry.
Or maybe I am reading her completely wrong, and she doesn't need the inheritance at all and doesn't care whether he gets it or not, as long as he gets away from those awful Alarcons.
(Dammit, I am not a robot! Just ask my doctor!!)
Julia, it's Belen's baby that's meant to be passed off as Sobfia's and Afraido's. Diego is likely to be the father, but neither Teresa nor Angela knows this yet.
I was just wondering what is the point of the brothel girl also being pregnant. Where is that going, story-wise? Has it been established that she is actually pregnant? Wasn't someone speculating that she was just saying that, maybe to try to get out of whorehouse duties or be treated more gently or something? Or will her story maybe just be a counterpoint to Belen's?
Violeta is for sure pregnant, or she's somehow getting fat on purpose. How she and her mother plan to keep hiding this from Genaro is a mystery.
It's established that Violeta has a sweet tooth, so perhaps she's only gained a little weight. Her mother certainly seems to think she's pregnant, though, and the uncle is suspicious. Their judgment is probably reliable.
I still think Violeta's baby will be needed as an emergency substitute if there's a problem with Belen's - like if it turns out to be a girl. (Elisa pretty much said that a baby girl is worthless to them. Not merely a disappointment, but a total waste of time!)
I still think Violeta's baby will be needed as an emergency substitute if there's a problem with Belen's - like if it turns out to be a girl. (Elisa pretty much said that a baby girl is worthless to them. Not merely a disappointment, but a total waste of time!)
GAH I cannot stand the internalized misogyny of women like Elisa. It's bad enough coming from men, but really intolerable when women have learned to devalue themselves. Seriously, woman, do you think YOU are a waste? (Okay, maybe there are some who would question her particular value...) What total crap. And the baby doesn't need to be a boy for Fraidy to inherit, does it? He was celebrating all "we're having a baby; we're rich" without any "if it's a boy" qualifications.
I cannot wait for Matilde and her trousers to show up and I am hoping she takes Elisa down a notch or ten.
I cannot wait for Matilde and her trousers to show up and I am hoping she takes Elisa down a notch or ten.
Well in Downton Abbey (the extent of my research into the subject), they needed a male heir to inherit the title, so maybe something similar is going on here with the money. Boys get the money and position and girls get pawned off in marriage. Or become old maids at 25 to be a burden on the family. I missed seeing Matilde's shocking slacks and look forward to it. Certainly a more practical sleuthing outfit.
Kelly
Kelly
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 7:05:00 PM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 7:05:00 PM EST
Why is Teresa so intent on Sofia having a baby, even one not her own? I could see if it was Alfredo, so he could get his inheritance. Does Tere have an eye on Freddies inheritance?
I had never heard of ironing newspapers, but in talking with a friend, she said her grandmother from England was a maid in the Taft household in Ohio & they ironed the newspapers.
until about 20 years ago, you were in need of a bath after reading the Sun Paper, maybe they starting ironing them. I think they changed the ink.
Who says you can't learn anything from novelas???
This is a good one & on Uni!!
I had never heard of ironing newspapers, but in talking with a friend, she said her grandmother from England was a maid in the Taft household in Ohio & they ironed the newspapers.
until about 20 years ago, you were in need of a bath after reading the Sun Paper, maybe they starting ironing them. I think they changed the ink.
Who says you can't learn anything from novelas???
This is a good one & on Uni!!
But Alfredo could still inherit, even if he had no heir himself, right? So maybe when he died the family estate would have to go to a distant cousin or something, but he's presumably healthy and expected to live for decades more, and anything could happen in all that time, even if he had a son.
It's somewhere in Puebla? The state, I assume? So maybe Matilde is coming from the city of Puebla, or from Mexico City? The population of the city of Puebla was around 100,000 at that time.
Julia commented:
"But Alfredo could still inherit, even if he had no heir himself, right? "
Enoch replies:
I take it that per the argument of this story, Alfredo's father depreciated his son as not man enough to sire a son. Then his father put a requirement in his will that Alfredo would not inherit his estate until he sired a son. Correct me if I am wrong.
"But Alfredo could still inherit, even if he had no heir himself, right? "
Enoch replies:
I take it that per the argument of this story, Alfredo's father depreciated his son as not man enough to sire a son. Then his father put a requirement in his will that Alfredo would not inherit his estate until he sired a son. Correct me if I am wrong.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:59:00 PM EST
: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 11:59:00 PM EST
Fraidy definitely needs to have a kid (and I think specifically a boy) in order to inherit. Or else the kid inherits directly and Fraidy benefits as the child's whatchamacallit. But no kid=no money. And yeah it looks like Teresa is counting on that inheritance, if not for her own sake then for Sofia's so that Tere doesn't have to support them any more.
Matilde is coming from "the capital city." I assume that's Mexico City, but they never mention it by name. I hope the mail in 1905 Mexico is faster than I think, because Isabel desperately needs a sanity check against all the negativity around her.
Matilde is coming from "the capital city." I assume that's Mexico City, but they never mention it by name. I hope the mail in 1905 Mexico is faster than I think, because Isabel desperately needs a sanity check against all the negativity around her.
I don't think I said that right. I meant to say, I'm not sure whether Fraidy gets the inheritance or the kid does, but either way Fraidy benefits - or ends up with nothing if there is no kid. (The convolution of my statement was further convoluted by my inability to remember what they call the person who controls and has access to the inheritance of a minor.)
I hope to see NO SPOILERS from those who saw the Gran Hotel. I noticed something (above) about a pants wearing woman & her future arrival at the hotel. I hope that is just speculation (which is fine). It is hard to participate in any forum on a telenovela with those who saw the original, as one is likely to see spoilers posted.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 5, 2016 at 2:29:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 5, 2016 at 2:29:00 PM EST
Thank you for a stellar recap, Vivi! You didn't miss a beat of this action-packed episode :) I'm finally caught up on this week's episodes and I'd like to thank Julie and Jardinera for the great recaps they churned out for Monday and Tuesday respectively.
I'm loving the brisk narrative pace and the excellent cast of this novela, though I confess that I'm not particularly taken with the Julio-Isabel burgeoning romance. I'm more excited about the Ayala-Dagoberto and the Angela-Teresa pairs. My favorite scenes of this episode were the velorio scene at the cantina and the conversation between Teresa and Angela in the ironing room. The latter was an absolutely mesmerizing scene, an acting duel between wonderful actresses. It's such a delight for me to see both Daniela Romo and Diana Bracho in the same TN!
I know there have been many speculations about parentage so far but I for one don't think that the secret that chains Angela to Teresa is related to mixed-at-birth children. Teresa looked heartbroken that her son was spending the night in prison, she tried to hide it behind her usual cold facade but during that scene in the ironing room, she cracked. In my humble opinion, Felipe is indeed Teresa's son and Andrés is indeed Angela's son. However, what I do suspect is that whatever secret Angela and Teresa know about one another could either be:
a) Andrés is the son of Teresa's husband; or
b) Angela and Teresa are accomplices in some terrible crime and that's the secret that's making them reluctant partners for life; or
c) as UA suggested before, Teresa and Angela are half-sisters. I'm watching "Lazos de Amor" right now (it's the Carla Estrada TN from 1996 where Lucero plays triplets) and in that TN, the lady of the house and the head servant are half-sisters.
I'm loving the brisk narrative pace and the excellent cast of this novela, though I confess that I'm not particularly taken with the Julio-Isabel burgeoning romance. I'm more excited about the Ayala-Dagoberto and the Angela-Teresa pairs. My favorite scenes of this episode were the velorio scene at the cantina and the conversation between Teresa and Angela in the ironing room. The latter was an absolutely mesmerizing scene, an acting duel between wonderful actresses. It's such a delight for me to see both Daniela Romo and Diana Bracho in the same TN!
I know there have been many speculations about parentage so far but I for one don't think that the secret that chains Angela to Teresa is related to mixed-at-birth children. Teresa looked heartbroken that her son was spending the night in prison, she tried to hide it behind her usual cold facade but during that scene in the ironing room, she cracked. In my humble opinion, Felipe is indeed Teresa's son and Andrés is indeed Angela's son. However, what I do suspect is that whatever secret Angela and Teresa know about one another could either be:
a) Andrés is the son of Teresa's husband; or
b) Angela and Teresa are accomplices in some terrible crime and that's the secret that's making them reluctant partners for life; or
c) as UA suggested before, Teresa and Angela are half-sisters. I'm watching "Lazos de Amor" right now (it's the Carla Estrada TN from 1996 where Lucero plays triplets) and in that TN, the lady of the house and the head servant are half-sisters.
-- Anon @ 2:29 pm: Isabel asked her friend Matilde in the letter to come visit her at the Gran Hotel. I believe this is the reason why some speculated about Matilde's upcoming arrival to the Gran Hotel.
ANON 2:29- Matilde (wearing her pants) was shown reading Isabel's letter. It's pretty much a sure bet that if a character is shown, AND she's been invited to visit, that character will show up-- wearing her crazy pants.
Nandicta- I agree with your whole comment, and your speculations about the secrets that Teresa and Angela might actually share. I too believe both women are mothers to men who are actually their bio-kids, and that they love them (in their own ways).
Now, I am wondering about this plot, having reviewed cap 1:
Please correct me if I have the facts wrong or you have a better explanation:
1.) At the start Mother Teresa accused Cristina of having "something" that belonged to MT. Cristina did not deny it. Cristina threatened MT that she knew something or had something which would cause MT to lose the hotel. What could that be?
Dialogue:
"teresa: estas mintiendo de nuevo, cristina,
tu y yo sabemos que tienes algo que me pertenece,
y no te vas a ir de aqui hasta que me lo devuelvas.
cristina: si usted me hace algo, todo el mundo va a saber la verdad, y usted va a perder el hotel."
What is this "verdad"? Is it a lost will leaving the hotel to someone other than MT, other than to Isabel? A month later, Julio discovered the cache of Cristina with a key in it. Did he also discover Cristina's diary. What does that key open? Is it a box that has the will? Can we assume that whatever alleged property of MT that Cristina stole, that is the thing which could make MT lose the hotel? Is the stolen thing that will take the hotel from MT the key or the ledger?
2.) Felipe was disinherited. Isabel inherited the hotel (or part of it) instead of him. I am not sure if Isabel is the sole legal owner now or not. To be disinherited is a big deal.
3) Mother Teresa insists that Sophia have a son, even by faking it & taking Belen's son whenever Belen gives birth. Does the Old Goat's will require it?
4) MT insists that Isabel marry Diego. Apparently MT lied about the hotel being broke & needing Diego's money. Is that another plan to get a grandson, or secure the inheritance to Isabel?
Possible explanation: The Old Goat (defunct now) Sr. Alcance found out that Felipe was not his son & thus disinherited him. He stated in his will that his bienes should go to the first son that either of his daughters would have, or that for a daughter to inherit, she must have a son. Then the will of the old goat cud be the thing that Cristina stole from Mother Teresa. And cud it be that the sins of the old goat compromised the inheritance? Teresa said, "tu padre era un buen hombre, hija, pero cometio muchos pecados."
Now if MT fails to get a grandson, does that somehow make her lose the hotel??? Would it then go to Angela & Andres, Andres being the Old Goat's son? Imagine an ending with Angela & Andres owning the hotel, while Mother Teresa is a maid! We cud see her emptying chamber pots.
Or cud Julio turn out to be the son of the Old Goat ? If so, Isabel will not be his daughter. Will the core of this telenovela turn out to be mistaken/unknown parentage?
Incidentally, my theory is that the great love of Teresa's life is Teresa -- she always looks out for #1. I think she wanted Felipe to go to prison and framed him to protect herself. Cud it be that he is the true heir, but not MT's son? - Enoch
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