Caray, Caray!

Silvana

Earlier today, I announced that my captions on Telemundo have returned, and that I therefore felt I could try to fill in tonight for novelera, who usually recaps the Monday episode of Silvana. A few hours after I posted that message, the Monday Telemundo y Más page appeared, and of course it has none of the previous messages. So I thought it might be a good idea to post the message again.

I might also point out that we still have no recapper for Wednesday.
 

Juanita - thank you for getting this week's topic started.

SILVANA

Monday episode - Is the refrigerator in Silvana's house the same one she has always had? I don't know why it looked different to me tonight. Probably my imagination, and AT&T UVerse doesn't have by episodes on demand so I can't go back a week or two and look.No biggie.

Oh my. Papichulo actually said those magic words that guys can never say! Well, if Chivis doesn't want you, I'm raising my hand over here in Viewerville ! Just sayin'.....
 

SILVANA

Doris.... I have SUCH a crush on Mañuel!
 

Silvana

I just got a new indoor antenna and now can pick up Telemundo locally. The broadcast last night came in clearly with both Spanish and English closed captions available.

Thanks to all those who contribute recaps and discussions.

I've been frustrated because I like the show and the principal characters, but until last night, couldn't see the entire show with English captions. The Telemundo Now app doesn't have the latest episodes, YouTube of the Telemundo in English only shows the first twenty minutes of each episodes, and the Telemundo web site doesn't offer English captions.

We just returned to Ohio from a vacation in California and Maine. Needless to say, there were no local Univision or Telemundo stations in the Portland or Bar Harbor Maine regions, but there were plenty in the Sacramento/Davis/San Francisco regions.
 

SILVANA SIN LANA - LUNES - Parte 1 de 3

We get another look at Manuel's discovering blue paint on Dominique's hand, the same color blue that was used to paint ROBA NOVIOS on Chivis' van. Dominique first offers several ludicrous explanations. One was that he was painting his eyebrows blue, and he reminds Manuel that Picasso had his blue period. Manuel isn't buying any of this, and finally Dominique admits that he did it, but says it wasn't his idea. The discussion is interrupted by Chivis's arrival. She asks whether she can use Manuel's computer. Poncho and Dominique leave. Manuel and Chivis talk. She mentions how angry she is at Margarita. Manuel says nothing about what he now knows about the van painting.

The scene shifts to the grounds of the university. Majo arrives and very sarcastically thanks Andrés for leaving the way free for Vicente to be with her. As her anger grows, her voice gets louder and louder. Andrés asks her to leave with him to talk elsewhere, but she refuses. He tells her to please lower her voice, he works at the university and is concerned about his image. Majo replies that if he's so worried about his image, he should stop becoming involved with his students.[Yup] They go on like this for a while, until Andrés asks the question that's been troubling him most: "Did you cheat on me with Vicente, yes or no? (Me pusiste el cuerno con Vicente, ¿sí o no?) She tells him he left the way free, and he can keep wondering.

Trini tells Angie that Juanito has decided that the man who was with Trini when she fainted looked very much like the man whose photo Angie showed him. Angie and Trini are unsure what to do. Trini doesn't want to discuss the matter with Chivis, since Chivis thinks she's senile, and Angie doesn't want to talk about it with her sisters. They decide it will be just between the two of them.

Don Benito believes Margarita was responsible for painting the sign on Chivis' van. She denies it very strongly, but he still insists on punishing her. She can't go out on weekends for two months. She protests, and he agrees to one month. He also wants her to help Juanito with the baking at 4 a.m. on Saturdays. She protests that she'll be exhausted from all she has to do at school, so he changes the punishment to sweeping the bakery at 6 a.m. She says she can't do it, and once again he caves. She'll have to make his bed every day (me tiendes mi cama todos los días). Don Benito also insists that Margarita go to Chivis and tell her the truth.

Jorge comes over to Angie's. Angie confesses that she's very unhappy. She tried to adapt to their new life, and she tried to help her mother, but nothing seems to be working out. She wants to leave the house. Jorge tries to comfort her, but he makes the mistake of saying he talked to Margarita and she adamantly insists that she had nothing to do with the van painting. Angie doesn't want to hear that he's been talking to Margarita, and she asks him to leave.

After making a scene with Andrés at the university, Majo storms off. Lucha, who was nearby when Majo was yelling at Andrés, comes over and talks with him. She tells him that he should completely end things with Majo. He tells her that's not so easy, he's been with Majo for a long time. He then says that what's really bugging him is not knowing whether she cheated on him with Vicente. "I need to know in order to be able to get her out of my mind." He asks Lucha to tell him. She protests that she doesn't want to get in the middle of their problems. He pleads with her, and finally she says, "Yes, I saw them kiss. More than once."
 

SILVANA SIN LANA - LUNES - Parte 2 de 3

Vicente is at the bakery when in walks Majo. They go through their usual bantering. She asks whether he had a good time last night. He tells her it was terrific (padrísimo), with great women. He then asks if she wants to go out with him tonight. No, she says, if she wants to go out, she'll let him know. She also tells him that if he's going to play the alpha male with her, he'll lose (si tú vas a jugar al machito alfa conmigo, vas a salir perdiendo). Vicente leaves, and while filling Majo's order, Juanito warns her to be careful: Vicente is known as the playboy of the neighborhood, and so far there's been no one who can tame him. (The expression Juanito uses is ponga el cascabel a ese felino, which means to bell the cat, to put a bell on the cat's neck to warn others that he's coming. I think in essence here it means to tame him.)

There then occurs one of those cutesy scenes between Pedrito and Lupita. They're on their respective balconies, a la Manuel and Chivis. Lupita tells him that she thinks they should end their relationship, because it has no future. Pedrito points out that they've only been together two days. Yes, but I'm thinking about the future, says Lupita with a grand sweep of her hand. She says she wants to have a family, and for that they have to be married. "So we'll get married," replies Pedrito. "I don't have a problem with that." Lupita says he'd first have to have his First Communion. Pedrito asks whether there are marriages where that's not necessary. Yes, replies Lupita, a civil ceremony, but that doesn't count, it's not really getting married (eso no es casarse). Pedrito asks what the difference is between being novios and being married. Lupita tells him he'd have to give her a ring. Pedrito asks why Margarita painted those words on Chivis' van, since Jorge didn't give Margarita a ring. Lupita replies, "because Margarita is a fool, she's a pain."

Margarita goes to see Chivis, as her grandfather insisted. Margarita admits that she has done some nasty things, but she swears that she had nothing to do with painting the van and has no idea who did it. Angie comes downstairs as her mother and Margarita are talking, and Angie tells Margarita to leave. After Margarita has gone, Chivis says she feels Margarita was telling the truth. Angie tells her mother not to be so naive (ingenua).

Jorge and Vicente are talking in their bedroom. Jorge is depressed. Now that his job of painting the girls' bedroom is finished, he has no excuse to see Angie. Vicente points out that Jorge got Angie a job at the salsadromo, and that perhaps Jorge should get work there, too. That way he'd get work, and money, and a way to see Angie. Jorge is thrilled with the idea.

At Chivis' house, everyone is sitting at the dinner table looking glum. Angie is in an especially bad mood. She says she's tired of the house, tired of the neighborhood, tired of everything. This precipitates a discussion about moving. Angie and Majo want to move, while Lupita and Trini want to stay. Lupita makes it clear that she doesn't want to leave Pedrito. Trini says something about "better the naco you know," which I assume refers to Don Benito. She also they're not gypsies, and she's too old for continual changes. With the family evenly divided, the deciding vote may come from Chivis. She says she wants to think more about it.

Jorge tells his father he wants to get a job so he'll earn some money. Manuel thinks it's more important that he does well in school and not have distractions. Jorge pleads for a chance. He promises that he'll work very hard at school and raise his grades if Manuel lets him get a job. Manuel somewhat hesitantly agrees.
 

SILVANA SIN LANA - LUNES - Parte 3 de 3

Stella is angry that Manuel has discovered who painted the words on Chivis' van. She finally tells Poncho and Dominique that it's OK, Chivis needs to know who she's dealing with. This is just the beginning.

Stella calls Lucha. She tells Lucha that Manuel has broken up with her. Lucha expresses her surprise and her sympathy. Stella changes the subject to talk about how things are going between Lucha and el doctorcito. Lucha tells her that yesterday he came to see her, he gave her a gift, he got her hopes up, but he keeps thinking about that airhead (cabeza hueca) next door. Stella gives Lucha two pieces of advice. One is to be more forward. If he doesn't kiss her, she should kiss him. The other is to invite him to dinner. "They say the way to a man's heart is through his stomach." As soon as the phone call ends, Lucha sends Andrés a text inviting him to a BBQ dinner at her house that evening.

Angie goes to work at the salsadromo and is suprised to see Jorge behind the bar. He tells her "We're neighbors, classmates, and now workmates. It's destiny, no?" She asks why he wants to work there, rather than somewhere else. He says there are lots of reasons, but you only work here. [Their theme music plays]

Stella comes downstairs in a striking yellow dress. She and Poncho are going to go dancing. Dominique's job is to stay home and call Manuel at 3 a.m. saying that he's worried about Stella, he doesn't know where she is.

Andrés comes to Lucha's for the BBQ. He brings some beer, they get a bit drunk. They sing a song that I probably should know but don't. Lucha says it's part of their culture. Andrés says he knows where he's from, but he feels a part of la cultura norteamericana. Lucha says, in English, "Excuse me, Mr. Blake Mount." (Andrés' last name is Montenegro, and I think she's mispronouncing Black Mountain). He calls her Lucy Brave (Gallardo). They seem to be enjoying themselves, but when she moves in for a kiss, he pulls back. He likes her as a friend, but he continues to be in love with Majo. Lucha tells him to leave.

Majo keeps calling Vicente and keeps getting his answering machine message. She finally calls Angie at the salsadromo and asks whether Vicente is there. Yes. Is he with a woman? Yes, he's dancing with a woman. Is she goodlooking? Angie replies,"You know Vicente better than I do. Bye."

Manuel comes to Chivis' house at her request. She tells him that she's making a very important decision, and she wants him to know. "I'm thinking about the possibility of moving. My daughters want to go, and I think it's for the best." "And you?" he asks. "Do you want to leave? If your daughters were happy here, would you want to move?" She tells him she doesn't know. She'd hate to leave everything she's managed to do here, but OTOH she'd feel relief in being far from him. They talk about why she would feel relief, and I think he tells her that he's cleared the way (for their relationship). He says Yo ya di un paso, Señora Chivis. He tells her he has ended things with Stella. She's stunned. He asks, "did you think it was wholly by chance that I confused names the other day? Not at all!" It's as clear as water, he tells her: Yo la quiero a Usted, Señora Chivis. [Hmm...perhaps it's time to switch to tú, Manuel.]
 

Silvana. Excellent recap, Juanita! I liked your "yup" about Majo's advice to Andrés that if he's so concerned about his image that he should stop dating his students, and I loved it when you said that perhaps it's time for Manuel to switch to "tú." It strikes me as kind of dumb that Andrés claims to still be in love with Majo, but I suppose the writers have to create conflict. That whole theme of possibly moving also seems very contrived and just to create conflict in a novela in which there really isn't much. Do Chivis et al actually think they can improve their situation by moving to a similarly small place in another working class neighborhood? Además, leaving their neighboring benefactors Manuel, don Benito, and, yes, even Jorge, does not strike me as a particularly good idea. Margarita is now definitely the boy who cried wolf--she's done so many nasty things that when she's blamed for something she didn't do, no one will believe her. Don Benito is such a softy! I liked Majo's alpha male comment--wow! 2 things from her that made sense in 1 episode. Juanito's analysis of Vicente was fun too--"taming one's outlaw" is a very satisfying theme. Cervantes even uses it in the Dorotea-don Fernando episode of Don Quijote.
 

Silvana

Many thanks, SpanProf, for your gratifying and very interesting comments. I have to say, when Manuel said Yo la quiero a Usted, Señora Chivis, it sounded very odd to me. I understand that there are some places where even husbands and wives use Usted to each other, but would someone really make a declaration like Manuel's using Usted in a society where intimacy usually involves tú?

I found Angie's foul mood and desire to leave somewhat strange, but I don't think the theme of moving is completely contrived. It's not that they'd find better people in a different working class neighborhood but rather that they'd be rid of some of the irritations they're currently experiencing. Although I don't believe in Angie's unhappiness, I think part of that unhappiness stems from her feelings for Jorge and her misguided belief that he cares more for Margarita. And, as Chivis admitted to Manuel, she'd feel relief at being far from him (and Stella). That, too, I can believe. It will be interesting to see whether/how Manuel's letting her know that he's broken up with Stella and his declaration at the episode's end will change things. I guess the complication then has to come from Antonio José's reappearance.
 

Silvana

Has Chivis ever said anything to Manuel to encourage his declaration of love? I know she has given him soulful looks and leaned close to him, but I can only remember her verbally thanking him for his help.
 

SILVANA





Andres has been leading L on, now he gets an attack of conscience re a) his job and b) his long term girlfriend. Hmm, if I was L I'd have been even more ticked off than she was!
I must be in a snarky mood today because Chivis's appearance was bugging me. I know it's a tn and that she has to look gorgeous with a professional blow-out and manicure all the time, but it doesn't exactly add any authenticity to this story that a privileged lady now has to live in the barrio and work in a fish market. Also...if your hairstyle demands that you are continually having to push your long side-bangs behind your ear to get them out of your face, maybe it's not a great hairstyle...? But...of course, I know it's tv! Telemundo land where women always make love with their lingerie on haha !

 

Juanita - thank you for the recap! I agree that Papichulo might want to start using tú instead of usted, now that he has declared himself. Did he ever say which country he came from? The Ud. might be old family habit from childhood. My neighbors from Colombia use Ud. with each other and they've been married 40-50 years. She told me it is a way to give respect to each other in their country.


 

Silvana

Doris, you raise an interesting point. I have no idea where Manuel's family came from, nor how long ago. But I'm almost positive that, unlike the married couple you've mentioned, he doesn't use Usted with people he's close to (e.g., Stella). That might suggest that he's using Usted with Chivis (in spite of her using tú with him) out of politeness to someone he doesn't know well or out of deference to her supposedly higher social status. If that's the case, I think his declaration to her warrants a change to tú.
 

SILVANA

That's really interesting re the tu versus usted. At my US Citizenship ceremony, there was an old Latino man sitting n st to me, and when his wife came up to talk to him, she used usted to tell him he was going to miss his doctor's appointment because the ceremony ran late! I did think it was odd.
 

Silvana

"Has Chivis ever said anything to Manuel to encourage his declaration of love?"
GoBlueFanOH -Chivis has been nice to him because she is just a very nice person. But flirting? No. I cannot recall her ever encouraging Manuel.

JudeGray - That couple may have been from Colombia. I have no clue about other countries, as they each have their own quirks with formal and informal "you" usage.

The cutest pairing, IMHO, is Lulu and Pedro. I just love their scenes, both together and apart.
 

SILVANA SIN LANA - MARTES - Parte 1 de 3

The episode opens with the scene where Manuel declares his feelings for Chivis. She asks him why he's telling her this. He replies that it's the truth and it's what he feels. Chivis tells him that she feels very flattered (halagada), but also very confused. She thinks it's best if she goes away from here. Manuel tells her that if she goes, he'll follow her. She says she has nothing to offer him, she's a married woman. "My husband is the father of my children, and I cared for him" (yo lo quise). "Yes," says Manuel, "but did you love him? There's an enormous difference between those two verbs." He says that that difference is why he broke up with Stella. "Until you appeared, I thought it was enough to care for someone." He says that he's willing to wait. He talks about waiting being a prime virtue for a fisherman, who can wait for days, weeks, months. [Somehow, I wouldn't find it all that appealing to be spoken of as a fish to be caught, but never mind.] She tells him he should leave. He does so, but he tells her that if she needs him, he'll be on the balcony, until late.

Stella, in her striking yellow dress, comes to the salsadromo with Poncho. She catches sight of Vicente on the dance floor, and she immediately grabs Poncho and starts dancing. She wants Vicente to report back to Manuel that she was dancing and having a great time.

Manuel goes outside onto the patio and sees Lucha looking very unhappy. She tells him that things didn't go well with Andrés and she asked him to leave. "He told me he likes me as a friend, but nothing more." Manuel tries to cheer her up. He tells her that she's wonderful and not like other girls, who are empty and frivolous. Lucha, by contrast, is different and authentic. "But what good does it do to be different and authentic, if nobody wants me?" Manuel assures her that there are lots of good men out there, and she'll find one. It's just that Andrés isn't the one. "But I thought he was," she says wistfully.

Stella has had a lot to drink and is dancing wildly. She goes to the bar to get another margarita. She sees Angie and freaks out, probably for no other reason than that Angie is Chivis' daughter.

Benjamin, a waiter at salsadromo, sees Angie talking to Jorge. When Angie goes away, Benjamin comes up to Jorge, comments that Angie is preciosa, and asks whether Jorge knows her. "Yes, she's my neighbor," Jorge replies. Benjamin asks whether Jorge has a relationship with her. "No," Jorge stupidly replies, "she my neighbor, that's all." Well, says Benji, in that case, leave her to me, compadre.

Chivis is awakened from sleep at 2 a.m. by the phone ringing. It's a drunken Stella, who tells her that she was the one who painted ROBA NOVIOS on her van. And if Chivis continues with Manuel, Stella will paint her house, her clothes, her face.

A bit later, as planned, Dominique calls Manuel and says that he's terribly worried about Stella. He doesn't know where she is. He's been trying to reach her but she's not answering her phone. He's afraid she may do something foolish. He asks Manuel to try to call her. Manuel does so, and of course Stella answers the phone. He asks where she is. She tells him that she's having the time of her life dancing at the salsadromo, and she's enjoying her liberty. She thinks Manuel is jealous [in your dreams, Stella].
 

SILVANA SIN LANA - MARTES - Parte 2 de 3

Chivis comes out on the balcony looking for Manuel. At first, he's not there. She throws a stone at the balcony's sliding door but it hits Manuel in the face as he comes out onto the balcony. She tells him that Stella called at 2 a.m. and said it was she who painted the van. Moreover, she threatened to do more. It soon becomes obvious that Manuel already knew about Stella and the van. Chivis is unhappy that he didn't tell her.

The next morning, Chivis confronts Stella outside the fish market. They exchange threats and insults. Several times, Chivis says Ubícate, which, according to the discussions in WordReference.com, means something like "Behave yourself" or "Get control of yourself." [It's been used quite a bit in this novela.] Manuel comes along. Chivis tells him that Stella is una grosera maleducada - i.e., crude, crass, coarse, vulgar, ill-bred, and bad-mannered (any or all of the above). She tells Manuel that "it's best if you not accompany me, because if Stella sees us together, she may burn down my house." However, she also says that "Stella isn't going to get away with this, no one threatens me" (Ella no se va a salir con la suya, a mi nadie me amenaza).

At the dining table, Lupita asks Chivis whether she has decided what her vote will be on the issue of whether or not they will move away. Chivis says she hasn't decided, but she also says that although she wants everyone to have a say, she's the mother, and ultimately the decision is hers.

Manuel too talks to his family at the dining table. He tells them that he has broken up with Stella. No one seems all that surprised.

Now that Chivis knows that Margarita wasn't the one who painted the sign on the van, she tells Angie that she should go see Margarita and apologize for the nasty things she said to her. Angie does so. Margarita isn't all that friendly. She finally tells Angie that if she really wants to be forgiven, she should talk to Jorge and tell him that you want me to go back to him. Angie refuses to do this, and Margarita tells her that therefore she won't forgive her. .

Meanwhile, Lucha is advising Jorge to go back to Margarita. "I'm not saying that the neighbors are bad people," she tells him, "but they're eventually going to leave and go back to their old life. You should go with Margarita."

Pedrito has talked with Manuel about wanting to make his First Communion (so he can marry Lupita in the church). Padre Sanchez comes to the house to give Pedrito a book about the First Communion. He also asks Pedrito why he wants to do this. Pedrito tells him it's a personal matter (asuntos personales).

Lucha goes to the university for an immigration rights meeting on Saturday. She encounters Andrés, who asks to speak to her for just a few minutes before her meeting. He tells her that she's very important to him, and he wishes he had met her before he met Majo. He then blurts out that if he had met her before, he would have been in love with her. As it is, he wants to be sure that they remain friends. Lucha tells him that she doesn't want to be his friend. He's the professor and she's the student, and that's all there is, nothing more. [Brava! But does anyone really think that this will be the end of the relationship?]

Lupita comes to Majo and, after making her swear that she won't cry, tells her that Pedrito saw Andrés at Lucha's last night. They were eating and drinking and singing. As soon as Lupita leaves, Majo texts Vicente, saying she'd love to go dancing. He replies that he's not sure he can. Lupita returns to find Majo crying.
 

SILVANA SIN LANA - MARTES - Parte 3 de 3

Stella, Poncho, and Dominique are talking about the failure of Stella's plan to make Manuel jealous. Poncho says that no one is made jealous because of dancing. Something stronger is needed. He suggests a passionate kiss (un beso apasionado). Stella asks Dominique to take photos while she and Poncho try out this strategy. After they're done, she looks over the photos and picks one she likes. She wants Dominique to send it to Manuel with a note saying, "Manuel, there are strange things going on in this house" (en la casa están pasando cosas raras). Dominique is afraid to send the photo and message. Manuel's already not pleased that Dominique woke him up at 3 a.m. Stella calls Dominique a coward, grabs the phone, and sends the message herself.

Angie and Chivis are talking in Chivis' bedroom. Angie asks why Stella wrote "roba novios" on Chivis' van. Chivis replies that Stella is crazy, and she's also unhappy that Chivis is a friend of Manuel. "Friend?" Angie asks. She tells her mother, "I'm not stupid. You've never had a friend as close as Manuel, and I see that you're very comfortable and happy when you're with him." Chivis at first makes some lame explanations, but she soon admits that it's true, without Manuel she couldn't have done any of this. Angie then asks her, "If you decide not to go back to papa, would it be mostly because of what he did...or because of Manuel?" [Tune in tomorrow, same time, same station, for the answer. Maybe.]
 

Silvana

Juanita - Thank you for another great recap!

When Silvana told Manuel she married for life, I wonder if this is a sign that AJ will have to die somehow, before our protags can officially get together.

One of our Patio Peeps said, a week or two ago, that they wonder if Trini sort of pushed Silvana toward marrying AJ. I’m starting to think that might have been the case. AJ looks almost old enough to be Silvana’s father.

I'm loving the irony of Trini not wanting to move away now.

It sure would be nice if the font size on Majo's text messages was a LOT bigger! Even on our big 42" screen TV, they are too small to read. Other telenovelas make a larger txt msg font for the audience to read. Why can't this one? ~sigh~

Stella dancing .... well at least she is better than Elaine Benes.

 

Silvana. Excellent recap, Juanita, with your usual great comments! I particularly liked "In your dreams, Stella." doris: I'm kind of hoping for Antonio José's turning out to be a bigamist. Not likely, but it would certainly solve everything. :) Lucha is kind of a reverse snob, who seems to think that people should stay with their own social class. Margarita overdoes it as usual when Angie comes to apologize. She really is very presumptuous about her chances with Jorge. Andrés is dumb to still prefer MJ, with whom he has nothing in common, but then we knew this. I was amazed at how fuerte Chivis was with Stella. She can certainly hold her own with a naca! There was a very cute "bro" handshake between Padre Sánchez and Pedrito. Pedrito is funny but also extremely sensible and appealing. If a first communion is what it takes to be able to marry Lupita one day, well, a first communion it is! I suspect many a man has been converted to a religion that way. (I'm thinking particularly of New England seamen/smugglers who had to stay in California because of illness when their ship left. Some of these congregationalists/puritan descendants converted to Catholicism, married Hispanic women and became pillars of the local community. One of them, the uncle of the author Richard Henry Dana, founded the first public school in Los Angeles).
 

SILVANA

Thanks for the recap!
I wonder if the reason AJ was cast as so completely unsuitable for Chivis may be so that we don't feel too bad about a marriage breaking up...?
 

Silvana

doris, I too find it wonderfully ironic that snobby Trini doesn't want to move. I also STRONGLY agree with your point about the font size of the text messages.

SpanProf, I like your bigamist suggestion, but I agree it seems unlikely. Here's an even more unlikely resolution: AJ is shot and killed by one of the people he has defrauded. Or perhaps he ran afoul of the Mafia, and they arrange for him to sleep with the fishes (to quote Tony Soprano). Hmmm...he sleeps with the fishes, and Chivis marries her fisherman.

Jude Gray, You may be right, but I can easily imagine a younger, better-looking guy who is nonetheless a nasty piece of work (there are zillions of them in telenovelas). He'd seem a more likely partner for Chivis to have chosen, and we'd all cheer when marriage with such a guy breaks up.
 

SILVANA

If Antonio Jose does die (either naturally- guy looks like a heart attack candidate to me!- or otherwise) his daughters would still be upset, I'm sure, especially the wee one. Would be a tad insensitive of Chivis to more or less say, 'Yeah, that's too bad about your dad, but he was a fraudster, oh well, I'm going on a date with the sexy fishmonger next door! Toodles!' I m hoping for bigamy (although in reality, obviously his daughters would still be traumatized by that!)

 

SILVANA

"Hmmm...he sleeps with the fishes, and Chivis marries her fisherman.". Something fishy about that!

Pedro seems a bit old for not having made his First Holy Communion. I was seven years old and in second grade. Pedro seems a few years older than that. Plot-wise, I guess wear our telenovela beanie hats and presume that maybe it got lost in the shuffle while his mother was ill and dying. Life happens.l
 

I loved it when at the dinner table, one of the younger kids-either Luptia or Pedrito-said that the reason Stella wrote "Boyfriend stealer" on Chivis' van was because Chivis had "stolen" Stella's boyfriend.
 

Silvana. I'm still thinking that the actor playing Antonio José may have been chosen because he looks a little bit like Bernie Madoff. Also he has played evil roles in other telenovelas--like Alan Leoni in Bajo el mismo cielo, the serial killer. Maybe he'll die doing something nice that makes everyone feel better about him. Nah!
 

Silvana

SpanProf - Maybe Stella will run over Bernie Madoff with her car, if she owns one.
 

General

Just a reminder that none of the three evening telenovelas will be shown tomorrow (Thursday). They're being pre-empted by the Telemundo awards ceremony, Premios Tu Mundo.
 

Silvana

One more, um, reminder. No one has offered to do a recap of tonight's (Wednesday's) episode.
 

Silvana. doris: tee hee. :)
 

Juanita - I will be able to watch tonight and maybe everyone can put together something as a joint effort?
 

Silvana

I'll do a recap tonight.
 

TELEMUNDO..

"La querida del Centauro" second seaso,n soon to begin recording in Mexico, will include Sandra Echeverría.

http://www.peopleenespanol.com/article/sandra-echeverria-se-enfrentara-humberto-zurita-en-la-querida-del-centauro

 

SILVANA SIN LANA – MIÉRCOLES – Parte 1 de 2

Angie and Silvana talk. Angie wants to know, if her mother didn’t return to her father, would it be because of what he did to the family or because of Manuel. Silvana tells her that, if she didn’t return to Antonio José, it would be because of what happens between the two of them. Angie tells her that whatever she decides, she’ll be there for her mother.

Jorge comes also to apologize to Margarita for having accused her of painting something on the Chivis Fish van. Margarita says that she feels sorry for him for being so blind about Angie. She tells him [as a friend, of course!] that he needs to stop pursuing Angie. Angie doesn’t go for him. Margarita tells him that Angie herself told her she feels sorry for him. [Wow!]

Jorge, of course, goes right over to see Angie. He tells her straight out that Margarita told him Angie said she wasn’t interested. Angie says that she didn’t say that. He gets very sincere with her. He tells her that he needs to know if he’s wasting his time or if he has a chance with her. She gets snippy and tells him she needs time. Jorge: "I wrote you letters; I seek you out over and over again; I even got a job in the same place to see you every day, y nada."

Angie says she has forgiven him but doesn’t want to rush things. He gives up in frustration and starts to walk out. She starts saying that they can work together as friends. He comes back inside and kisses her. I’m pretty sure she liked it a lot! But she sings the same song to him about needing time. He says he won’t be bothering her any more and is leaving, but not before telling her he loved the kiss.

Speaking of two people playing games, María José makes sure Vicente is coming out before pretending to walk by. They talk. She tells him she can’t stand it when he doesn’t pick up when she calls. She mentions knowing he had a great time at the salsadromo the night before. He mischievously accuses her of being jealous. MJ: ¡Ubícate! [I’ve always mentally translated this as Get Real! I looked it up and some people said something like come down out of the clouds or get over yourself.]

After playing around some more MJ agrees to go with Vicente wherever he wants to go.

The Three Stooges are quite anxious to know if Manuel has seen the kissing photos Dominique sent to Manuel. Stella insists on Dominique calling him.

Pedrito is on his father’s bed reading the book Padre Sánchez gave him, specifically the concept of transubstantiation during communion. He’s excited about the wine! When his father’s phone rings, he answers it and sees the pictures of Stella and Poncho.

Vicente has brought Majo to a motel. It looks like a nice place, even though he calls it a “Temple of Passion” [sounds better than No-Tell Motel].

Chivis comes to tell Manuel she’s decided not to move from next door. She’s very happy. He tells her she looks like a kid with a new bike. He hugs her as their theme music plays. Of course Sourpuss Lucha comes downstairs just then, making a crack about not knowing it was New Years. Chivis is mortified.

She tells him that she’s going to the wedding of her wealthy friend. I didn’t think the wedding was going to be at night. He tells her not to dance with all those rich guys. She says she won’t be at the party; she’ll be in the kitchen. He tells her Lucha will have to get used to her father falling in love. When Chivis is shocked, he changes esta enamorando to enamorandito demonstrating a little bit with his hands. Chivis leaves.
 

SILVANA SIN LANA – MIÉRCOLES – Parte 2 de 2

In the motel MJ moves around the room nervously, trying to not be too close to Vicente. She finally tells him that she’s a virgin. Vicente is quite the gentleman. He gently says that they should stop right here. She tells him she came to the room because she was dying of shame to tell him the truth. He tactfully says that he thought [like Viewerville until a week or so ago] that she and Andrés… She says that she always wanted to be a virgin until she was married and Andrés agreed. Vicente tells her he doesn’t think less of her as a woman and, in fact, everything about her enchants him.

Manuel tells Pedrito that the photos in his phone were photo shopped.

Juanito is about to close up the bakery when some masked guys come in and, when he isn’t shutting up, hit him over the head. [At first I thought they were guys sent by Antonio José because Juanito had seen him, but it was just a robbery.] Juanito then stumbles into Don Benito’s house, feet tied up. He tells him about the robbery and DB calls Margarita down.

Manuel goes to Stella’s house. When she hears it’s him at the door she’s overjoyed, thinking he’s come because he’s jealous. He rushes past her and drags Poncho and Dominique downstairs. He calls them a trio and asks: ¿No tienen ni dos dedos de frente? [I love this one. He’s asking if they’re stupid. To not have two fingers space between your eyebrows and your hairline, in this expression, means being of low intelligence.]

Margarita, of course, comes running to Jorge about the robbery. Lucha says she knows a doctor [one guess].

Stella pretends outrage at Dominique. She tells Manuel that this is a scene of jealousy. Manuel ¡Qué celos, ni que ocho cuartos! [I’ve wondered about this one for years. I finally looked it up. It comes from long ago in Spain and referred to a coin that was eight parts of a peseta and because of its low value, came to be a metaphor for something worthless.] He tells her she’s becoming pathetic. As he storms out he says: ¡Me tienes hasta la madre! [Another one! Manuel is a wealth of useful dichos tonight! This means I’m fed up.]

After Manuel leaves Stella insists to Dominique and Poncho that Manuel is sick with jealousy!

Vicente and Majo arrive back on their street and see the police cars. Andrés sees them together hand in hand. Even Trini is at the bakery. The whole neighborhood is tramping all over the crime scene. When the media show up Trini tries to hide her face behind a loaf of bread.

Juanito has a cut on his head. Andrés gives him a prescription for an antibiotic and something for pain. He recommends a cat scan at the hospital in the morning.

Trini asks Manuel to come over until her daughter gets home. She’s afraid because of the robbery. When Chivis comes home, Manuel is asleep on the sofa and she tenderly covers him.

Margarita asks Jorge to spend the night, also afraid of thieves.

At the fish market Vicente is joking with Stella about his father not having come to work yet. He says something about his dad having to organize his walker, his depends, his cane. Stella says he’s pretty well preserved. Vicente tells her about the robbery. He also says that Jorge stayed over with Margarita to protect her and his father stayed with the vecina!
 

Silvana

Welcome back, novelera! And thanks so much for this wonderful recap. And special thanks for including so many Spanish phrases. I was familiar with some of them, but I wasn't sure about ¿No tienen ni dos dedos de frente? Your explanation was very helpful!

I've been struck by how often Ubícate has been used in this novela. It's got lots of meanings. In fact, I talked about it in the previous recap. In Tuesday's episode, it seemed best translated as "behave yourself" or "get control of yourself," while last night, as you point out, it's used to mean "Get Real." And these are only some of the ways it's used. As for ni que ocho cuartos, it too has several uses. I've always thought of it primarily as a statement of negation or disbelief, such as "no way," "in your dreams," "my foot."

So what is it with the dark-haired women? There's Sourpuss Lucha and Sourpuss Angie (with Jorge) and Loca Stella. [I ask as a dark-haired woman myself (with a little help these days from my hairdresser :-) ).]

I'm not planning to watch the Premios Tu Mundo tonight, but I don't mind having a short break from the novelas.
 

Silvana

novelera --- thank you for the recap!!! The entire first half of our transmission had all sorts of pixellated video and audio, so we lost a fair amount. And thank you for the "dichos"!!! The actors speak so fast in this telenovela that I'm often watch with (gasp!)English CCs, so I miss a fair amount of those sayings.

Just when I thought there was hope for Marga to become a decent person, she is back up to her old tricks.

Stella gives new flavor to the term "fishwife." I wonder if there is a Spanish equivalent? Verdulera maybe?

It was nice that Vicente reacted to Majo's truth in a nice way. That poor boy, bless his heart, he is just a horndog opportunist but not mean. There might be hope for him.

The TV news reporter telling Don Benito to respond to the questions with more emotion and drama just rang so true for today's TV news reporting. ;-) Trini hiding behind the bread was sort of funny.
Other than filler drama, I wonder if this robbery served any other purpose for our story?


 

Silvana

Juanita - the only other telenovela where I heard ubícate used often was Besame Tonto from Peru, so I always thought it was mostly used down there. In that context, I think the person was telling the other to remember their place in the social classes or level of society or terms of showing respect, when it was yelled at the other person. I've noticed it used a lot in Silvana. Sometimes I think it also means "get a grip!".
 

Silvana

That whole motel sequence when Vicente brought Majo to the motel made me feel uncomfortable. It was if Vicente was enjoying the discomfort that Majo felt in the motel room. I wonder if Vicente himself was a virgin?

Also, when Chivis returned from the wedding, and took off her coat to cover the sleeping Manuel, it looked like she was already wearing her nightgown underneath the coat. Did anyone else notice this?
 

Silvana. Excellent recap as usual, novelera. I liked your analysis of the Jorge-Margarita conversation, especially "as a friend of course." Margarita never knows when to shut up and always oversteps her bounds, making it even less likely that Jorge will go back to her. And was she actually lying about Angie feeling sorry for Jorge? It wouldn't surprise me. I too appreciated your explanation of the often-used colloquial expressions in this novela. Other observations: Angie is an incredibly wonderful daughter. She did have at least a little smile on her face when Jorge left. I agree that the motel scene shows Vicente's basic decency. He may act like a playboy at times, but he truly is Manuel's son. The robbery was kind of odd. For a while there I thought I was in another kind of telenovela. Though I didn't think of the possibility that the robbers were sent by Antonio José, I wonder if he'll see the news story about it and notice Trini lurking in the background. I'm surprised that AJ has been absent for the last few episodes. Are the writers building suspense about what he's been up to? When will he turn himself in?
 

Silvana

doris, I think I've heard ubícate in other novelas, but more often in Silvana than in any other. A few weeks ago, I did some searching for what it means, and I found it also means what you've said, as well as the meanings novelera and I have offered, and perhaps several more meanings as well.
 

Silvana

Thanks for the kind words, all.

Doris, I like "get a grip" for ubícate. The novelas in which I've heard that phrase tend to feature younger cast members. It sort of reminds me of no manches, another teenage or young adult expression that the adult cast members don't seem to use.

Go Blue Fan, I also thought what Chivis had on underneath her jacket was odd. But I think some women do wear those sort of lacy camisole type garments under a more formal jacket.
 

Silvana

GoBlueFan - I noticed Silvana's "top" also and thought it was nightwear. However, like novelera said, some women wear those things as real clothing. I saw a young lady (late teens) in church this past Sunday (early service, too! LOL) with a one-piece black lacy off-the-shoulder number, spaghetti straps, and the bottom barely reached past her underpants line. yikes.....I had to tell myself that at least she was in church and maybe it was her first time, so perhaps did not know what to wear. Oh, and she was with a boy, kind of all over him, so ......

novelera - One of the younger characters (Jorge maybe?) said no manches just last night or the night before, because I remember looking it up.
 

Thanks for the recaps Juanita and novelera!

Benji seemed to come out of nowhere this week. I guess he's just another plot device to keep Angie and Jorge apart longer.

Vicente taking Majo to a motel? Way too fast, dude. I wasn't expecting that. At least he's a decent guy in the end.

Trini hiding behind the bread had me cracking up. lol