Monday, October 03, 2016
Tres Veces Ana, #107, Monday Oct 3, 2016: The One and Only
I missed the first half-minute or so of this, so please let me know if I missed anything during that brief but potentially crucial window!
Tin gloats that AnaLet knows she can't win without him on her side. He warns her not to judge him by his appearance. He can be more dangerous than she. She can't control her impulses, but he's the lord of patience. "The last chesspiece is in place to kill the king," he says. AnaLet retorts, "with me or against me, I can make you into pieces."
Tin says he can destroy AnaLet. "I know you were at Gina's place when she died."
Marcelo rummages through the contents of the safe deposit box. There are several black folders. Marcelo peers wide-eyed at one particular piece of paper that we don't get to see, and intones with amazement: "Rodrigo Casasola!"
In the hospital, seeing a doctor look at a clipboard triggers a memory for Remedios. She came to visit Santi in the hospital after his first accident. She found a man looking at Santi's chart... she realizes that's where she'd seen Rodrigo before.
In the present, the doctor tells Remedios that all is looking well.
AnaLet says she'll deny having anything to do with Gina's death. Tin says Gina was alive when AnaLet arrived, and dead when she left. How did he know that? AnaLet realizes that Tin must have talked to Martinez, the guy who worked for Marcelo. Yes, Tin spoke to him a few hours before Marcelo killed him.
AnaLet thinks Martinez killed Gina. AnaLet admits that she had some things to discuss with Gina. "I hired her to seduce Ramiro, but she never mentioned she was the lover of - oh, er..." AnaLet gets up to leave. Tin guesses that she's referring to her uncle Mariano. He grabs her arm and won't let her leave. She sits. He says, "I want you to beg me for my help. I can make your dream come true."
AnaLet says he can't know what she dreams of, but Valentin says he can guess. "You want to be unique in every sense, but there are two others just like you, no, much better. Both great artists. What's your great talent? Your beauty is all you have, but you have to share it with them." This really gets under her skin. "All your heavy makeup and provocative outfits don't set you apart. Ramiro likes Ana Laura and not you, and your husband took one look at Ana Lucia and fell crazy in love. You know why? Because they're much better than you, because they have something you don't. But you can have all the admiration and the attention for yourself, not to mention the inheritance. But first you have to beg me."
At home, Leonor gives Mariano a status report on Grandma. Ana Laura and Ramiro are taking the first flight out, but AnaLet's phone is turned off.
Viridiana goes to the jail to see Soledad, and is frustrated to hear that she's in the penalty box.
AnaLet says she won't beg. Tin says the one thing that does set her apart from her sisters is her hatred. AnaLet spits that Ana Laura doesn't deserve to have the love of her life reciprocated when she, AnaLet, can't kiss or even touch the one man she's ever loved. If she can't have that, then neither can they! AnaLu took the love of her husband, and she'll never share anything else with her, or either of them. "They've taken so much from me, my uncle is mine, and if I'm condemned not to be loved as a woman the way I want, then neither can they. Satisfied?" It looks like Tin is very satisfied.
Marcelo puts the folders in his briefcase and leaves the bank vault, the emptied lockbox still open on the table.
Ratmundo and Facundo are outside Ratmundo's house. Evaristo can be seen pacing around within. Ratty tells Facky that last night, Ev had his guys take him someplace to meet with Marcelo. He sent the thugs away. When they came back for him, he was disoriented and wandering around aimlessly. Also, he previously had shot his grandson dead by mistake, and the thugs thought Ev didn't recognize him.
Ernestina scolds Mariano from her bed for not letting her know about Ana Lucia right away. He says he wanted a chance to prepare her first, precisely so that she wouldn't become overwrought as she is now. (So by neglecting to tell her in the comfort of her own home, he allowed her to hear it from a stranger in prison. Nice planning, Tio!) Ern thinks this experience has strengthened her heart. She wants to meet AnaLu right away. Mariano wants her to rest.
AnaLu tells Chana she's worried about the grandmother she's never (well not in 20 years) met, and asks - begs - Chana to tell her where Soledad went. She's in jail, for kidnapping.
Soledad peers through the barred window of her cell and remembers Margarita, her mother, bald, dying of cancer, calling young Soledad to her side. (Despite this scene taking place a good 30+ years ago, the hospital looks and sounds exactly like the one that Remedios is in.) Young Soledad asks when Mommy will be cured.
Soledad's flashback skips ahead a few decades to when Soledad told AnaLu of her make-believe illness. In the present, Soledad expresses remorse (to herself) for causing AnaLu the same fear that Soledad felt for her own mother.
Evaristo waits patiently at Ratmundo's desk. Finally, Facundo arrives. Evaristo stares at him curiously, confused. Ev has a flashback to Margarita in the hospital, perhaps the very same day as Soledad's flashback. Ev tells her not to worry. He'll take care of Soledad as if she were his own. Margarita asks Ev not to let Soledad's real father know about her. He promises that Rodrigo Casasola will never know about Soledad. He's left the country, but if he ever comes near Soledad, Ev will kill him!
But Margarita says that she lied. Her patrón made her tell everyone that Rodrigo was the father in order to keep Rod away from Ernestina. In fact, it was the patrón who raped her and almost killed her. Ev vows to take it out on that family - until every last drop of that family's blood is wiped off the face of the earth, and Ernestina will pay for her father's sin.
In the present, Evaristo sadly tells Facundo that he still hasn't made good on his promise to Margarita. Apparently, he and Facundo originally teamed up over their mutual hatred of that family, although Facundo's hatred doesn't go back as far as Ernestina's father. Facundo is aware, though, that Ern's father made her marry the heir to his business. As for Facundo, Ern's husband broke his word to Facundo in some way. Ev killed the guy, but that didn't help Facundo, because the business then fell into the hands of the son-in-law, the triplets' father. "We've come so far! We're about to get it!" Evaristo exclaims happily.
But Facundo does not seem so optimistic. He says he has a serious problem - Ev.
In jail, Soledad has another flashback. Ev takes her to visit Margarita again. Margarita tells Soledad she loves her, and then draws her last breath. "You'll always have me," Ev promises. He takes Soledad home to his wife, who doesn't want to take this little brat in. Ev claims Soledad as his own and tells his wife that she can either take Soledad in, or move out herself. The little girl clutches a wooden box - THE wooden box - as Ev's wife bitterly accepts the child, tosses a mop at her, and tells her to get to work.
In the present, in her cell, Soledad mourns her own child, Sofia, and reflects that she's completely alone.
Ernestina is sad that she and the family are all strangers to AnaLu, the girl they've loved and cried for all of these years. Mariano says it's a good idea to get all their paperwork in order; he's revised his will to leave 50% to AnaLu and split the rest between the other two. Ernestina thinks this is fair (I think it's wrong) and says she'll work it out with Edmundo (that's Ratmundo) tomorrow.
Iñaki is in a restaurant with Ghoulieta, telling her about his college years when some people didn't like him because he didn't come from a background of privilege. Someday he will be rich and respected, and they'll all be sorry. Ghoul thinks he shouldn't be that way. She will never leave him again, and she will help him out and open doors for him. Her stuff is his stuff. In fact, she has a gift for him. Iñaki opens a box, revealing car keys. Not for Daniel's car, but for a brand new car, even better than Daniel's. She says he's worth it. Iñaki is so pleased, he even offers to pay the lunch bill - except he forgot his wallet, LOL. We saw that coming.
Facundo gives Evaristo a drink, just what he needs. He's unhappy that Ev never mentioned that he had one of the keys. And that Alfredo was the husband of Remedios, the godparents of Ev's only daughter. (If Soledad grew up in Ev's house, how would she not know the godparents of Ev's only daughter? For that matter, do we know Ev's only daughter?) In his own defense, Ev says he didn't know that Remedios happened to be taking care of Facundo's son after the accident. But Facundo doesn't forgive mistakes. He made an exception because Ev spared Marcelo's life.
"You were a good friend," Fac tells Ev. "I still am," Ev protests. But Fac doesn't think so. "Last night you met with my son and gave him that key, so now Marcelo is finding out many things that don't suit me. Why did you give me a second chance with my son, only to take it away from me?"
Tio Mariano meets with AnaLet outside the house. She says that her phone was off because the battery ran down. He tells her about Ernestina recovering from hearing about AnaLu being alive. She hasn't seen AnaLu yet, but he's bringing her tomorrow. AnaLet doesn't think this is a good idea. She tries to talk him out of it, unsuccessfully. She looks even more disappointed to hear that Ana Laura is on the way as well.
Miranda gets Ernestina all psyched up to meet AnaLu. After Miranda leaves, Leonor addresses Ernestina as "tú," which delights Ernestina. Leonor promises to do that for now on - at least in private. AnaLet passes outside the door just in time to hear them say "I'm your sister and I love you more than anything!" She is impactada. She pokes her head in (discreetly) for a better listen, and Ernestina tells Leonor, "they're your nieces." In fact, Ernestina says, now that the family is to be reunited, it's high time they reveal Leonor as her sister. (Now it is AnaLet who looks like she's having a heart attack!)
But Leonor doesn't want that. Ernestina agrees, but says that all will be revealed when she dies anyway, because Leonor is in her will. AnaLet looks like she's having kittens.
Evaristo tells Facundo about his illness. He always thought there would be more time, but it's getting worse every day. He didn't tell, because he didn't want to be seen as a useless old man. Facundo points out that Evaristo has made too many errors that can't be repaired. But Ev is sure he can fix everything. Facundo taunts him that he can't bring back his grandson. Ev says he didn't do that - Marcelo did it. "Or was it Ramiro?" he asks, confused. Well, it was one of them. It definitely wasn't Evaristo! He was too late to help.
Facundo reminds Evaristo that together they set up Ramiro's kidnapping to force Marcelo to take control and rescue Ramiro. Ev takes responsibility for that, even though "things turned out badly" for one of his boys. Facundo says Gina's death was Ev's responsibility too. Ev tearfully recalls that he never knew who killed her, or if she killed herself. Facundo says "you're the killer." A killer with Alzheimer's. He killed his grandson and he killed the others, too. Ev remembers killing his grandson now. Facundo is worried that someday Evaristo won't recognize him, either. Or he'll talk too much. He gave away that key.
Ev acknowledges that he's become a liability, a threat, and threats must be eliminated. Facundo gives him a fond farewell speech, grips Ev's forehead and neck with reverence, and ends Evaristo's life with a decisive twist. He tenderly lays the old man's head on the desk as Ratmundo watches through the window.
Next time: AnaLet goes bananas again - and she's wearing the right color for it, too.
Tin gloats that AnaLet knows she can't win without him on her side. He warns her not to judge him by his appearance. He can be more dangerous than she. She can't control her impulses, but he's the lord of patience. "The last chesspiece is in place to kill the king," he says. AnaLet retorts, "with me or against me, I can make you into pieces."
Tin says he can destroy AnaLet. "I know you were at Gina's place when she died."
Marcelo rummages through the contents of the safe deposit box. There are several black folders. Marcelo peers wide-eyed at one particular piece of paper that we don't get to see, and intones with amazement: "Rodrigo Casasola!"
In the hospital, seeing a doctor look at a clipboard triggers a memory for Remedios. She came to visit Santi in the hospital after his first accident. She found a man looking at Santi's chart... she realizes that's where she'd seen Rodrigo before.
In the present, the doctor tells Remedios that all is looking well.
AnaLet says she'll deny having anything to do with Gina's death. Tin says Gina was alive when AnaLet arrived, and dead when she left. How did he know that? AnaLet realizes that Tin must have talked to Martinez, the guy who worked for Marcelo. Yes, Tin spoke to him a few hours before Marcelo killed him.
AnaLet thinks Martinez killed Gina. AnaLet admits that she had some things to discuss with Gina. "I hired her to seduce Ramiro, but she never mentioned she was the lover of - oh, er..." AnaLet gets up to leave. Tin guesses that she's referring to her uncle Mariano. He grabs her arm and won't let her leave. She sits. He says, "I want you to beg me for my help. I can make your dream come true."
AnaLet says he can't know what she dreams of, but Valentin says he can guess. "You want to be unique in every sense, but there are two others just like you, no, much better. Both great artists. What's your great talent? Your beauty is all you have, but you have to share it with them." This really gets under her skin. "All your heavy makeup and provocative outfits don't set you apart. Ramiro likes Ana Laura and not you, and your husband took one look at Ana Lucia and fell crazy in love. You know why? Because they're much better than you, because they have something you don't. But you can have all the admiration and the attention for yourself, not to mention the inheritance. But first you have to beg me."
At home, Leonor gives Mariano a status report on Grandma. Ana Laura and Ramiro are taking the first flight out, but AnaLet's phone is turned off.
Viridiana goes to the jail to see Soledad, and is frustrated to hear that she's in the penalty box.
AnaLet says she won't beg. Tin says the one thing that does set her apart from her sisters is her hatred. AnaLet spits that Ana Laura doesn't deserve to have the love of her life reciprocated when she, AnaLet, can't kiss or even touch the one man she's ever loved. If she can't have that, then neither can they! AnaLu took the love of her husband, and she'll never share anything else with her, or either of them. "They've taken so much from me, my uncle is mine, and if I'm condemned not to be loved as a woman the way I want, then neither can they. Satisfied?" It looks like Tin is very satisfied.
Marcelo puts the folders in his briefcase and leaves the bank vault, the emptied lockbox still open on the table.
Ratmundo and Facundo are outside Ratmundo's house. Evaristo can be seen pacing around within. Ratty tells Facky that last night, Ev had his guys take him someplace to meet with Marcelo. He sent the thugs away. When they came back for him, he was disoriented and wandering around aimlessly. Also, he previously had shot his grandson dead by mistake, and the thugs thought Ev didn't recognize him.
Ernestina scolds Mariano from her bed for not letting her know about Ana Lucia right away. He says he wanted a chance to prepare her first, precisely so that she wouldn't become overwrought as she is now. (So by neglecting to tell her in the comfort of her own home, he allowed her to hear it from a stranger in prison. Nice planning, Tio!) Ern thinks this experience has strengthened her heart. She wants to meet AnaLu right away. Mariano wants her to rest.
AnaLu tells Chana she's worried about the grandmother she's never (well not in 20 years) met, and asks - begs - Chana to tell her where Soledad went. She's in jail, for kidnapping.
Soledad peers through the barred window of her cell and remembers Margarita, her mother, bald, dying of cancer, calling young Soledad to her side. (Despite this scene taking place a good 30+ years ago, the hospital looks and sounds exactly like the one that Remedios is in.) Young Soledad asks when Mommy will be cured.
Soledad's flashback skips ahead a few decades to when Soledad told AnaLu of her make-believe illness. In the present, Soledad expresses remorse (to herself) for causing AnaLu the same fear that Soledad felt for her own mother.
Evaristo waits patiently at Ratmundo's desk. Finally, Facundo arrives. Evaristo stares at him curiously, confused. Ev has a flashback to Margarita in the hospital, perhaps the very same day as Soledad's flashback. Ev tells her not to worry. He'll take care of Soledad as if she were his own. Margarita asks Ev not to let Soledad's real father know about her. He promises that Rodrigo Casasola will never know about Soledad. He's left the country, but if he ever comes near Soledad, Ev will kill him!
But Margarita says that she lied. Her patrón made her tell everyone that Rodrigo was the father in order to keep Rod away from Ernestina. In fact, it was the patrón who raped her and almost killed her. Ev vows to take it out on that family - until every last drop of that family's blood is wiped off the face of the earth, and Ernestina will pay for her father's sin.
In the present, Evaristo sadly tells Facundo that he still hasn't made good on his promise to Margarita. Apparently, he and Facundo originally teamed up over their mutual hatred of that family, although Facundo's hatred doesn't go back as far as Ernestina's father. Facundo is aware, though, that Ern's father made her marry the heir to his business. As for Facundo, Ern's husband broke his word to Facundo in some way. Ev killed the guy, but that didn't help Facundo, because the business then fell into the hands of the son-in-law, the triplets' father. "We've come so far! We're about to get it!" Evaristo exclaims happily.
But Facundo does not seem so optimistic. He says he has a serious problem - Ev.
In jail, Soledad has another flashback. Ev takes her to visit Margarita again. Margarita tells Soledad she loves her, and then draws her last breath. "You'll always have me," Ev promises. He takes Soledad home to his wife, who doesn't want to take this little brat in. Ev claims Soledad as his own and tells his wife that she can either take Soledad in, or move out herself. The little girl clutches a wooden box - THE wooden box - as Ev's wife bitterly accepts the child, tosses a mop at her, and tells her to get to work.
In the present, in her cell, Soledad mourns her own child, Sofia, and reflects that she's completely alone.
Ernestina is sad that she and the family are all strangers to AnaLu, the girl they've loved and cried for all of these years. Mariano says it's a good idea to get all their paperwork in order; he's revised his will to leave 50% to AnaLu and split the rest between the other two. Ernestina thinks this is fair (I think it's wrong) and says she'll work it out with Edmundo (that's Ratmundo) tomorrow.
Iñaki is in a restaurant with Ghoulieta, telling her about his college years when some people didn't like him because he didn't come from a background of privilege. Someday he will be rich and respected, and they'll all be sorry. Ghoul thinks he shouldn't be that way. She will never leave him again, and she will help him out and open doors for him. Her stuff is his stuff. In fact, she has a gift for him. Iñaki opens a box, revealing car keys. Not for Daniel's car, but for a brand new car, even better than Daniel's. She says he's worth it. Iñaki is so pleased, he even offers to pay the lunch bill - except he forgot his wallet, LOL. We saw that coming.
Facundo gives Evaristo a drink, just what he needs. He's unhappy that Ev never mentioned that he had one of the keys. And that Alfredo was the husband of Remedios, the godparents of Ev's only daughter. (If Soledad grew up in Ev's house, how would she not know the godparents of Ev's only daughter? For that matter, do we know Ev's only daughter?) In his own defense, Ev says he didn't know that Remedios happened to be taking care of Facundo's son after the accident. But Facundo doesn't forgive mistakes. He made an exception because Ev spared Marcelo's life.
"You were a good friend," Fac tells Ev. "I still am," Ev protests. But Fac doesn't think so. "Last night you met with my son and gave him that key, so now Marcelo is finding out many things that don't suit me. Why did you give me a second chance with my son, only to take it away from me?"
Tio Mariano meets with AnaLet outside the house. She says that her phone was off because the battery ran down. He tells her about Ernestina recovering from hearing about AnaLu being alive. She hasn't seen AnaLu yet, but he's bringing her tomorrow. AnaLet doesn't think this is a good idea. She tries to talk him out of it, unsuccessfully. She looks even more disappointed to hear that Ana Laura is on the way as well.
Miranda gets Ernestina all psyched up to meet AnaLu. After Miranda leaves, Leonor addresses Ernestina as "tú," which delights Ernestina. Leonor promises to do that for now on - at least in private. AnaLet passes outside the door just in time to hear them say "I'm your sister and I love you more than anything!" She is impactada. She pokes her head in (discreetly) for a better listen, and Ernestina tells Leonor, "they're your nieces." In fact, Ernestina says, now that the family is to be reunited, it's high time they reveal Leonor as her sister. (Now it is AnaLet who looks like she's having a heart attack!)
But Leonor doesn't want that. Ernestina agrees, but says that all will be revealed when she dies anyway, because Leonor is in her will. AnaLet looks like she's having kittens.
Evaristo tells Facundo about his illness. He always thought there would be more time, but it's getting worse every day. He didn't tell, because he didn't want to be seen as a useless old man. Facundo points out that Evaristo has made too many errors that can't be repaired. But Ev is sure he can fix everything. Facundo taunts him that he can't bring back his grandson. Ev says he didn't do that - Marcelo did it. "Or was it Ramiro?" he asks, confused. Well, it was one of them. It definitely wasn't Evaristo! He was too late to help.
Facundo reminds Evaristo that together they set up Ramiro's kidnapping to force Marcelo to take control and rescue Ramiro. Ev takes responsibility for that, even though "things turned out badly" for one of his boys. Facundo says Gina's death was Ev's responsibility too. Ev tearfully recalls that he never knew who killed her, or if she killed herself. Facundo says "you're the killer." A killer with Alzheimer's. He killed his grandson and he killed the others, too. Ev remembers killing his grandson now. Facundo is worried that someday Evaristo won't recognize him, either. Or he'll talk too much. He gave away that key.
Ev acknowledges that he's become a liability, a threat, and threats must be eliminated. Facundo gives him a fond farewell speech, grips Ev's forehead and neck with reverence, and ends Evaristo's life with a decisive twist. He tenderly lays the old man's head on the desk as Ratmundo watches through the window.
Next time: AnaLet goes bananas again - and she's wearing the right color for it, too.
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Ernestina is likely the guardian of the trips' inheritance, not the heir. The businesses would've belonged to the girls upon Ignacio's death, but because they were 4 at the time of their parents' deaths, Ernestina took control, with Mariano's help.
Augusto's death and Lourdes' death were in quick succession, if Augusto left the business to Ignacio because Ignacio was his son in law and father of his beloved granddaughters. Could not have been any more than 3 years apart.
The business and the fortune must also be two separate entities; otherwise Facundo would not be trying to get with Leonor. As the housekeeper/nanny, Leonor would've had nothing to do with the business.
This leads me to wonder who is actually running Ernestina's father's business? Is Mariano running it or is his running his own business? It doesn't make sense that they would murder Augusto and probably Ignacio/Lourdes but NOT come for Mariano in these past 20 years.
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I just KNEW there was more to Margarita's story that we hadn't been told yet. Now we knew the rest of the story, and it does indeed explain how Rodrigo is connected to Evaristo's blood feud with Ernestina. Ev is determined to destroy her (he's been taking his damned time, yeah?), and Rodrigo (still carrying a torch) is determined to protect her.
Interesting that Rodrigo paid Santi a visit in the hospital when everyone else in the world, including Evaristo, thought Marcelo was dead. I'd still like to know how he (or someone) happened to have a corpse ready with the right kind of shoulder tattoo.
(Actually, we don't know that it was the right tattoo. AnaLet never looked at it. Marcelo only glanced at it, and I don't think he knew what it was even supposed to look like. The tattoo on the stiff could have been Mickey Mouse for all we know.)
We also got a likely motive to suggest that the triplets' accident might not have really been an accident, and AnaLet's interference may have only been a coincidence. Facundo was apparently expecting to be offered the family business, but the triplets' father inherited it instead. And we've seen that Facundo is not a forgiving man.
Last but not least, Evaristo's end was absolutely perfect. Brutal but dignified.
Interesting that Rodrigo paid Santi a visit in the hospital when everyone else in the world, including Evaristo, thought Marcelo was dead. I'd still like to know how he (or someone) happened to have a corpse ready with the right kind of shoulder tattoo.
(Actually, we don't know that it was the right tattoo. AnaLet never looked at it. Marcelo only glanced at it, and I don't think he knew what it was even supposed to look like. The tattoo on the stiff could have been Mickey Mouse for all we know.)
We also got a likely motive to suggest that the triplets' accident might not have really been an accident, and AnaLet's interference may have only been a coincidence. Facundo was apparently expecting to be offered the family business, but the triplets' father inherited it instead. And we've seen that Facundo is not a forgiving man.
Last but not least, Evaristo's end was absolutely perfect. Brutal but dignified.
Thank You Thank You Thank You Julie, What a treat so soon after the show. WOW. I'm still on the phone with the florist trying to find what funeral home has Evaristo, and our recap is up and ready. You are right he went out like a true warrior with his head held high. He shed a couple tears for his family, but not for himself as his student cradled that massive head and gently snapped his neck. Goodbye Oh Large One. sniffle
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Permalink posted by 
: Monday, October 3, 2016 at 11:40:00 PM EDT
: Monday, October 3, 2016 at 11:40:00 PM EDT
I knew it was coming, but I thought Facundo had poisoned Ev's drink. I was expecting him to keel over at any moment.
I loved the look on AnaLet's face when she (as usual) evesdropped on Leonor and Granny. She looked like her constipation suddenly ended in that banana peel dress. I also enjoyed seeing a maybe almost sober Vin Tin Tin giving it to AnaLet. He sure knew how to strike an already raw nerve. She better get hoping and get some more corpses on her resume'.
I wonder how loooooonnnngg they are going to be able to make us wait to see what all these murderers and thugs in suits were doing. Beside the obvious, killing and/or impregnating each other's family members.
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I wonder how loooooonnnngg they are going to be able to make us wait to see what all these murderers and thugs in suits were doing. Beside the obvious, killing and/or impregnating each other's family members.
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Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:00:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:00:00 AM EDT
I am still in the dark as to why Rod was visiting Santi/Marc in the hospital 3 years ago. I saw earlier how he told Gramma about being framed as SoeBads Father. I don't see how that ties him to Santi/Marc and Remi etc.
And dumber has a question too: What is the connection of Fecendo possibly inheriting the family fortune, but then it was left to the triplets Dad ? I thought I was keeping up, but these developments tonight lost me. I feel like Evaristo.
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And dumber has a question too: What is the connection of Fecendo possibly inheriting the family fortune, but then it was left to the triplets Dad ? I thought I was keeping up, but these developments tonight lost me. I feel like Evaristo.
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Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:08:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:08:00 AM EDT
I'm completely confused with tonight's episode. This story is going back very far before the crash; things we have not ever seen in the Novela itself. Who was "the boss", Augusto? Who is Alfredo, we haven't ever seen these characters on the show? I've rewinded and replayed those parts a few times already and it is still confusing, I"m at a loss as well.
This is what I understand about the story; Facundo is a (semi) new element:
Ernestina's dad impregnated Leonor's mom; everyone thinks Leonor is just the loyal maid but Leonor is an heiress just like Ernestina is. This is why Facundo was trying to get with Leonor, to get at the family fortune through her.
Ernestina's dad raped Margarita, producing Soledad. Rodrigo was dating Ernestina. Ernestina's dad made Maragarita tell everyone Rodrigo was the one who got her pregnant to break Rodrigo & Ernestina up. Ernestina's dad made her marry Mr. Rivadeniera. Ernestina and Mr. Rivadinera had Lourdes, the triplets' mom.
Rodrigo went away, not to be heard from in years.
Some kind of way Facundo was in business with Mr Rivadeniera and wanted his business. He killed Mr. Rivadeniera but instead of Facundo getting the business, Mr Alvarez del Castillo (triplets' dad) inherited the business.
Margarita was dying and implored Evaristo to never let Soledad's father she exists. Evaristo vowed revenge on Rodrigo but Margarita told him the real daddy was Mr Rivadeniera. So Evaristo's revenge against Ernestina &'her crew was born. He teamed up with Facundo to destroy Erni & Co.
Since Facundo didn't get anywhere wi Leonor, he needs for Marcelo & Ana Leticia to stay married so he can slide into their money that way.
Rodrigo apparently has been in the background lurking and trying to protect Ernestina & crew.
Ernestina's dad impregnated Leonor's mom; everyone thinks Leonor is just the loyal maid but Leonor is an heiress just like Ernestina is. This is why Facundo was trying to get with Leonor, to get at the family fortune through her.
Ernestina's dad raped Margarita, producing Soledad. Rodrigo was dating Ernestina. Ernestina's dad made Maragarita tell everyone Rodrigo was the one who got her pregnant to break Rodrigo & Ernestina up. Ernestina's dad made her marry Mr. Rivadeniera. Ernestina and Mr. Rivadinera had Lourdes, the triplets' mom.
Rodrigo went away, not to be heard from in years.
Some kind of way Facundo was in business with Mr Rivadeniera and wanted his business. He killed Mr. Rivadeniera but instead of Facundo getting the business, Mr Alvarez del Castillo (triplets' dad) inherited the business.
Margarita was dying and implored Evaristo to never let Soledad's father she exists. Evaristo vowed revenge on Rodrigo but Margarita told him the real daddy was Mr Rivadeniera. So Evaristo's revenge against Ernestina &'her crew was born. He teamed up with Facundo to destroy Erni & Co.
Since Facundo didn't get anywhere wi Leonor, he needs for Marcelo & Ana Leticia to stay married so he can slide into their money that way.
Rodrigo apparently has been in the background lurking and trying to protect Ernestina & crew.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:14:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:14:00 AM EDT
Wow, ok, what seemed like what would be a boring episode of too much talking wound up clearing up some vital details of why the heck we are where we are with these people.
So Facundo is/was as much a puppet master as Ev, but hidden in plain site. Interesting we have fathers willing to kill their sons for their own gain.
I want to see the added story how Rod was able to save San/Mar after left to die. Knew this guy was in the story for some reason. Maybe he and Ernie will get together after all. In this case, I'm rooting for them.
Good lord, AnaLet basically spills to Tin her love of Uncle?? Girl is slipping and one of the best eavesdropping moments in TN's. She looked like she was about to buckle...What? ANOTHER person to inherit my money. She's going to implode trying to work out how to take all these people out.
And I don't like TIn, but his summing up AnaLet was brilliant. Takes one to know one. Now they can both fall off a cliff...and I call that if she isn't killed (which I don't think she will be), she will lose her beauty because he's right, it's really the only quality she has over her sisters. I still see her staring into a mirror for the rest of her days seeing what she thinks is her beautiful self.
They are so setting us up to redeem Soledad.
Well, it's about to hit the fan. Hang on, we're in for a bumpy ride.
So Facundo is/was as much a puppet master as Ev, but hidden in plain site. Interesting we have fathers willing to kill their sons for their own gain.
I want to see the added story how Rod was able to save San/Mar after left to die. Knew this guy was in the story for some reason. Maybe he and Ernie will get together after all. In this case, I'm rooting for them.
Good lord, AnaLet basically spills to Tin her love of Uncle?? Girl is slipping and one of the best eavesdropping moments in TN's. She looked like she was about to buckle...What? ANOTHER person to inherit my money. She's going to implode trying to work out how to take all these people out.
And I don't like TIn, but his summing up AnaLet was brilliant. Takes one to know one. Now they can both fall off a cliff...and I call that if she isn't killed (which I don't think she will be), she will lose her beauty because he's right, it's really the only quality she has over her sisters. I still see her staring into a mirror for the rest of her days seeing what she thinks is her beautiful self.
They are so setting us up to redeem Soledad.
Well, it's about to hit the fan. Hang on, we're in for a bumpy ride.
Thank you, Julie, for the excellent recap of a complicated episode.
What a surprise for Ana Leticia hearing about Leonor! Her head must be spinning as the family fortune keeps getting diluted. I wonder if/ when she will find out about her tío Mariano changing his will and reducing her and Ana Laura's shares to give Ana Lucía 50%. What a conflict there! Who /what does she love the most: tío Mariano or the money???? That just might make her head explode!
Facundo needs a a "special place in hell" type of ending for killing Evaristo my favorite character.
Chana actually told Ana Lucía " la sangre llama" the old "blood calls."
I was surprised Ana Leticia let herself be bullied by Valentín (when he grabbed her arm to make her stay I was hoping she would have hauled off and hit him in the head but she CAVED and fell into his trap) but just as surprised she admitted that if she could not be happy with her love (tío Mariano) her sisters weren't going to be happy with their loves, either. So straightforward and simple. Nothing complicated with any of her reasoning.
Seeing how Soledad had to grow up is just one more piece to her craziness.
What a surprise for Ana Leticia hearing about Leonor! Her head must be spinning as the family fortune keeps getting diluted. I wonder if/ when she will find out about her tío Mariano changing his will and reducing her and Ana Laura's shares to give Ana Lucía 50%. What a conflict there! Who /what does she love the most: tío Mariano or the money???? That just might make her head explode!
Facundo needs a a "special place in hell" type of ending for killing Evaristo my favorite character.
Chana actually told Ana Lucía " la sangre llama" the old "blood calls."
I was surprised Ana Leticia let herself be bullied by Valentín (when he grabbed her arm to make her stay I was hoping she would have hauled off and hit him in the head but she CAVED and fell into his trap) but just as surprised she admitted that if she could not be happy with her love (tío Mariano) her sisters weren't going to be happy with their loves, either. So straightforward and simple. Nothing complicated with any of her reasoning.
Seeing how Soledad had to grow up is just one more piece to her craziness.
This was stellar Julie.
"Viridiana goes to the jail to see Soledad, and is frustrated to hear that she's in the penalty box" and "AnaLet goes bananas again - and she's wearing the right color for it, too" were among favorites.
So many chilling moments, but the most memorable to me was "But you can have all the admiration and the attention for yourself, not to mention the inheritance. But first you have to beg me." I was eerily impressed. I've rather taken Valentin as a fool. A lush who is drowning in self pity. I hadn't given him the proper credit for the (squandered) intelligence and superb manipulator he is. I believe Ana gave away her most cherished secret - her love for her tio. Tin really seemed as though he understood. Finally, someone gets it. Even I, who understands little of the conversations understood his taunting her and hitting her right between the eyes with the fact her sisters are equally as beautiful but much more talented.
Facundo murdering Ev with the reprehensible Ed watching was another cringe worthy moment.
So many families imploding except for Ana Lucia and her newfound family. Let's hope she lives to enjoy them. Loved your "So Facundo is/was as much a puppet master as Ev, but hidden in plain site. Interesting we have fathers willing to kill their sons for their own gain", daisy. Well said.
Anon 207 thank you for filling in so many details.
Julie, again, this was wonderful. You've given us so much to ponder and digest.
Diana
"Viridiana goes to the jail to see Soledad, and is frustrated to hear that she's in the penalty box" and "AnaLet goes bananas again - and she's wearing the right color for it, too" were among favorites.
So many chilling moments, but the most memorable to me was "But you can have all the admiration and the attention for yourself, not to mention the inheritance. But first you have to beg me." I was eerily impressed. I've rather taken Valentin as a fool. A lush who is drowning in self pity. I hadn't given him the proper credit for the (squandered) intelligence and superb manipulator he is. I believe Ana gave away her most cherished secret - her love for her tio. Tin really seemed as though he understood. Finally, someone gets it. Even I, who understands little of the conversations understood his taunting her and hitting her right between the eyes with the fact her sisters are equally as beautiful but much more talented.
Facundo murdering Ev with the reprehensible Ed watching was another cringe worthy moment.
So many families imploding except for Ana Lucia and her newfound family. Let's hope she lives to enjoy them. Loved your "So Facundo is/was as much a puppet master as Ev, but hidden in plain site. Interesting we have fathers willing to kill their sons for their own gain", daisy. Well said.
Anon 207 thank you for filling in so many details.
Julie, again, this was wonderful. You've given us so much to ponder and digest.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 7:31:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 7:31:00 AM EDT
Thanks for answering the questions and clearing things up, Anon207. I think it was Ev who killed Mr. Rivadeniera, though. I think Facundo would have preferred that Mr. R had lived a little longer - long enough to formally hand the business over to him, instead of letting the triplets' father inherit it.
Jarifa: "Who /what does she love the most: tío Mariano or the money???? That just might make her head explode!" I hadn't thought of that. It will be an interesting test for her! I predict that her sick love for Mariano is even greater than her sick love of money.
And I did very much enjoy her conversation with Tin, even if I was exasperated by all the talking. Of course, it was Clawdia who figured out that AnaLet has the hots for her uncle, but Tin did a beautiful job putting that whole speech together, getting her to admit something she's never told anyone else.
Jarifa: "Who /what does she love the most: tío Mariano or the money???? That just might make her head explode!" I hadn't thought of that. It will be an interesting test for her! I predict that her sick love for Mariano is even greater than her sick love of money.
And I did very much enjoy her conversation with Tin, even if I was exasperated by all the talking. Of course, it was Clawdia who figured out that AnaLet has the hots for her uncle, but Tin did a beautiful job putting that whole speech together, getting her to admit something she's never told anyone else.
Julie, I agree that in that match up Mariano would probably win out but it would be so sweet to see Ana Leticia having to make that decision. ;)
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Thanks so much. I did not see this show from the very start and missed some of the back story which you filled in above. I could not figure out how Fecundo fit in. Thanks Again
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Thanks so much. I did not see this show from the very start and missed some of the back story which you filled in above. I could not figure out how Fecundo fit in. Thanks Again
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Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:31:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:31:00 AM EDT
BTW The beauty pageant girl who has become a pawn in this "Middle School" looking fight which passes for our Presidential campaign was my original Clawdia. She was a Claudia and had her claws into the main character in Lo Imperdonable and I started calling her Clawdia. It seems we never have a nice Claudia so I recycle the name.
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Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:38:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:38:00 AM EDT
So we are to believe that Fecendo knew all along that Leonor was a half sister?
Thus his interest in her. And Grama Erni's Father would be almost two generations older than Fece ndo..IE his son married to her grandaughter. So when he was twentyish Erni's Dad would have been in the vicinity of sixty, right.
Thus his interest in her. And Grama Erni's Father would be almost two generations older than Fece ndo..IE his son married to her grandaughter. So when he was twentyish Erni's Dad would have been in the vicinity of sixty, right.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:54:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:54:00 AM EDT
Great work, Julie.
So Facundo was a former business partner or associate of Ernestina's husband and he missed getting the other share of the business because it went to Ignacio? Were we ever told anything about their prior business relationship?
I'm sure there's more to that story. I'm actually now wondering whether Facundo recognizes Ana MeMeME's evil after all. Here's hoping we find out tonight.
Still not sure where Ratmundo fits into this. Is he just a greedy sociopath?
I don't think they had anything to do with the accident. That's all on Ana MeMeME. It's obvious that there was a long-term plan here and if the car had been tampered with that would have been discovered when the car was towed in after it was found. Nobody knew that Ana MeMeME was responsible for the car going out of control until she admitted it 21 years later.
Erenestina's father was some Johnny Appleseed, so I'm wondering whether he is also the father of Facundo (who wouldn't know it or he would not have pursued Leonor). Facundo had to have known all along that Leonor was the illegitimate daughter of Ernestina's father. What I'm wondering now is how he knew that. Did the man confide it in him or did he overhear or eavesdrop on a conversation?
Does Rodrigo have a medical degree or did he disguise himself as a doctor in that flashback? And what does he know about Facundo's real activities (prior to his departure)?
I was applauding Valentin's speech to Ana MeMeME about how her two sisters have outdone her. Totally brilliant. I wonder whether the writers read this blog and got it from a comment (I don't remember who wrote it).
More later.
So Facundo was a former business partner or associate of Ernestina's husband and he missed getting the other share of the business because it went to Ignacio? Were we ever told anything about their prior business relationship?
I'm sure there's more to that story. I'm actually now wondering whether Facundo recognizes Ana MeMeME's evil after all. Here's hoping we find out tonight.
Still not sure where Ratmundo fits into this. Is he just a greedy sociopath?
I don't think they had anything to do with the accident. That's all on Ana MeMeME. It's obvious that there was a long-term plan here and if the car had been tampered with that would have been discovered when the car was towed in after it was found. Nobody knew that Ana MeMeME was responsible for the car going out of control until she admitted it 21 years later.
Erenestina's father was some Johnny Appleseed, so I'm wondering whether he is also the father of Facundo (who wouldn't know it or he would not have pursued Leonor). Facundo had to have known all along that Leonor was the illegitimate daughter of Ernestina's father. What I'm wondering now is how he knew that. Did the man confide it in him or did he overhear or eavesdrop on a conversation?
Does Rodrigo have a medical degree or did he disguise himself as a doctor in that flashback? And what does he know about Facundo's real activities (prior to his departure)?
I was applauding Valentin's speech to Ana MeMeME about how her two sisters have outdone her. Totally brilliant. I wonder whether the writers read this blog and got it from a comment (I don't remember who wrote it).
More later.
Julie- You did and amazing job deciphering all the info thrown at us last night! And thank you Anon207 for laying it all out concisely.
I’m a bit annoyed with the writers. There’s something about all these last minuet reveals about the Old Men’s Club 5 decade’s long plot for revenge that just doesn’t jive with me. First off, it doesn’t make much sense. Ernestina’s dad and husband, the guys who ticked off Evaristo and Facundo, are long dead and buried. She knew nothing of their crimes. Yet, Ev and Fac have been continuing on this LONG and winding road to destroy Ernestina?! First of all, they suck at it. Ernestina is rich and content, and has no clue that there’s been a cabal out to get her since she was a young woman.
Second, it feels like the writers only recently decided that this was how it was going to play out. Like they started the story without really know who their main villain(s) were going to be, and what their motivation was.
I’m glad that time in solitary is giving Soledad time for introspection. Maybe, just like she realized how horrible it was for her, knowing what it was like to lose a mom to cancer, to have lied to Ana Lucia about her own health, she’ll realize how unforgivable it was of her to keep someone else’s child, just because she was mourning the loss of her own.
I’m a bit annoyed with the writers. There’s something about all these last minuet reveals about the Old Men’s Club 5 decade’s long plot for revenge that just doesn’t jive with me. First off, it doesn’t make much sense. Ernestina’s dad and husband, the guys who ticked off Evaristo and Facundo, are long dead and buried. She knew nothing of their crimes. Yet, Ev and Fac have been continuing on this LONG and winding road to destroy Ernestina?! First of all, they suck at it. Ernestina is rich and content, and has no clue that there’s been a cabal out to get her since she was a young woman.
Second, it feels like the writers only recently decided that this was how it was going to play out. Like they started the story without really know who their main villain(s) were going to be, and what their motivation was.
I’m glad that time in solitary is giving Soledad time for introspection. Maybe, just like she realized how horrible it was for her, knowing what it was like to lose a mom to cancer, to have lied to Ana Lucia about her own health, she’ll realize how unforgivable it was of her to keep someone else’s child, just because she was mourning the loss of her own.
Urban: "So Facundo was a former business partner or associate of Ernestina's husband and he missed getting the other share of the business because it went to Ignacio? Were we ever told anything about their prior business relationship?" I think that's all we know. I don't know if Facundo's expectation of being put in charge of the business was realistic.
Yes Vivi, I am mystified by this glacial and oblique vendetta against Ernestina. I thnk Ev has mentioned before that he hates this family, but Facundo's direct involvement was a surprise. (Not a huge one, though.)
And it doesn't seem that Marcelo knows anything of his father's crusade. I suppose Facundo's plan was for Marcelo to someday inherit the business by way of AnaLet, upon Mariano's death. That's an extremely shaky plan to begin with, considering that Ana Laura should still inherit half the business unless he's planning on whacking her.
Which makes me wonder, why shouldn't Ratmundo want Ramiro to marry her?
And also, if Ev wanted every last drop of Rivadinera blood wiped off the face of the earth, why are so many Rivadineras still walking around? Like AnaLet and AnaLaura? And would his vengeance extend to AnaLu? Seemingly not? Or...?
Yes Vivi, I am mystified by this glacial and oblique vendetta against Ernestina. I thnk Ev has mentioned before that he hates this family, but Facundo's direct involvement was a surprise. (Not a huge one, though.)
And it doesn't seem that Marcelo knows anything of his father's crusade. I suppose Facundo's plan was for Marcelo to someday inherit the business by way of AnaLet, upon Mariano's death. That's an extremely shaky plan to begin with, considering that Ana Laura should still inherit half the business unless he's planning on whacking her.
Which makes me wonder, why shouldn't Ratmundo want Ramiro to marry her?
And also, if Ev wanted every last drop of Rivadinera blood wiped off the face of the earth, why are so many Rivadineras still walking around? Like AnaLet and AnaLaura? And would his vengeance extend to AnaLu? Seemingly not? Or...?
This vendetta of Evaristo's and his cabal to "be sure none of his blood survive" is the stuff of ancient times. When I studied Medea I didn't understand it until I realized that she was looking to avenge herself on her husband by not only killing the children he loved but his genetic legacy. This seems preposterous to us now but made some sense in the BCE era. The horror of it was a woman killing her own children.
Edmundo being complacent with the pending murder of Ramiro horrifies us today in a way that the ancients wouldn't understand. Sociopaths had their uses in earlier periods of history as executioners and torturers in the employ of monarchs; in our time they become criminal masterminds (like Al Capone) and serial killers. Does Edmundo think he can coerce another woman into having another child for him to continue his criminal ways? I'll bet he does whether or not it fits his current priorities.
The master plan of these men sounds like they were unwilling to extend their trust very far. It's possible that Edmundo somehow saw the evil in Ana MeMeME or that Evaristo shared what he knew about her with him, hence Edmundo wanting Ramiro to marry Ana MeMeME. I doubt Ev told Facundo that she was looking to whack Marcelo. That could have torpedoed their whole plan. Thus he stopped short of killing Marcelo and merely put him out of action for a while. He could not have anticipated the amnesia or "Santiago" falling in love with Ana Lucia.
Evaristo hoped to prevent Ana Lucia from ever finding out about her birth family for her own protection because he loved Soledad.
Edmundo being complacent with the pending murder of Ramiro horrifies us today in a way that the ancients wouldn't understand. Sociopaths had their uses in earlier periods of history as executioners and torturers in the employ of monarchs; in our time they become criminal masterminds (like Al Capone) and serial killers. Does Edmundo think he can coerce another woman into having another child for him to continue his criminal ways? I'll bet he does whether or not it fits his current priorities.
The master plan of these men sounds like they were unwilling to extend their trust very far. It's possible that Edmundo somehow saw the evil in Ana MeMeME or that Evaristo shared what he knew about her with him, hence Edmundo wanting Ramiro to marry Ana MeMeME. I doubt Ev told Facundo that she was looking to whack Marcelo. That could have torpedoed their whole plan. Thus he stopped short of killing Marcelo and merely put him out of action for a while. He could not have anticipated the amnesia or "Santiago" falling in love with Ana Lucia.
Evaristo hoped to prevent Ana Lucia from ever finding out about her birth family for her own protection because he loved Soledad.
Thanks, Julie. Appreciate the details on the dialogue, especially for TinTin and Facundo. Lots of great lines already mentioned, but here's one more: Ratty tells Facky - lol.
Whoa! “the lord of patience” TinTin had a great day sticking it to Ana Leticia. I was surprised she confessed about Mariano, but I guess she feels she outmatches "weak" TinTin - so whatever.
Hated seeing Facundo take down Ev with Ratmundo outside watching. Ev was evil, but had more heart than these two. Great job by Eric de Castillo. The formerly powerful, crafty Ev looked so innocent and confused with Facundo.
Nice casting of young Soledad. She's been in a shell all her life.
Ev killed the guy, but that didn't help Facundo, because the business then fell into the hands of the son-in-law, the triplets' father. So once the son-in-law was killed, why didn’t Facundo take advantage then to do his dirty dealings? Vivi, ITA about the writers' “Old Men’s Club 5 decade’s long plot for revenge that just doesn’t jive.”
On the tattoo on the corpse, maybe they got the corpse first and then tacked on the tattoo.
I’m still holding that Ratmundo doesn’t want Ramiro to marry AnaLaura because he hates his son and doesn’t want to see him happy. Every chance he got, he tried to rub salt in Ramiro’s wound about Gina’s “suicide.” His hate for Ramiro trumps his greed for money. Plus he's already got plenty in offshore accounts.
Whoa! “the lord of patience” TinTin had a great day sticking it to Ana Leticia. I was surprised she confessed about Mariano, but I guess she feels she outmatches "weak" TinTin - so whatever.
Hated seeing Facundo take down Ev with Ratmundo outside watching. Ev was evil, but had more heart than these two. Great job by Eric de Castillo. The formerly powerful, crafty Ev looked so innocent and confused with Facundo.
Nice casting of young Soledad. She's been in a shell all her life.
Ev killed the guy, but that didn't help Facundo, because the business then fell into the hands of the son-in-law, the triplets' father. So once the son-in-law was killed, why didn’t Facundo take advantage then to do his dirty dealings? Vivi, ITA about the writers' “Old Men’s Club 5 decade’s long plot for revenge that just doesn’t jive.”
On the tattoo on the corpse, maybe they got the corpse first and then tacked on the tattoo.
I’m still holding that Ratmundo doesn’t want Ramiro to marry AnaLaura because he hates his son and doesn’t want to see him happy. Every chance he got, he tried to rub salt in Ramiro’s wound about Gina’s “suicide.” His hate for Ramiro trumps his greed for money. Plus he's already got plenty in offshore accounts.
"Evaristo hoped to prevent Ana Lucia from ever finding out about her birth family for her own protection because he loved Soledad." But Ana Lucia contains the 'tainted' blood he swore to wipe off the face of the earth, so Wat Up Evil? My understanding is that every trace, any blood relative, must be gone. Hence Tio did not have a bullseye on him, as Ernestina is the MATERNAL grandmother, right? But the three girls and any offspring must be eliminated.
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Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 11:06:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 11:06:00 AM EDT
Amazing recap! Finally some of the pieces from the past are coming together.
I'm wondering if Rodgrigo and Alfredo were working together. Alfredo was still alive when he was taken to the hospital. He may have been able to contact Rodrigo from the hospital before dying.
I thought Ev died a very elegant way. Kudos to Fac.
Ratmundo, other than money, I'm not sure what his motive is in all of this.
Val's speech to AnaLet was priceless! Talk about hitting someone where it hurts. He hit it all. I think AnaLet is slowly losing her mind which will cause her to make mistakes. Leonor revelation was another blow to her. She just may throw herself off a building before this is done!
I'm wondering if Rodgrigo and Alfredo were working together. Alfredo was still alive when he was taken to the hospital. He may have been able to contact Rodrigo from the hospital before dying.
I thought Ev died a very elegant way. Kudos to Fac.
Ratmundo, other than money, I'm not sure what his motive is in all of this.
Val's speech to AnaLet was priceless! Talk about hitting someone where it hurts. He hit it all. I think AnaLet is slowly losing her mind which will cause her to make mistakes. Leonor revelation was another blow to her. She just may throw herself off a building before this is done!
I think that Ana Lucia was safe as long as SoleBad was alive and as long as Ana Lucia knew nothing of her origin. She probably would not have been safe if anything had happened to SoleBad.
Who has the same tainted blood.
Who has the same tainted blood.
"wat up EVil?"...I like it.
So this whole novela has revolved around a bunch of old dudes' dreams and schemes . Basta. This plot and these characters are harshing my yellow! To quote our dear Carlos...NEXT !
So this whole novela has revolved around a bunch of old dudes' dreams and schemes . Basta. This plot and these characters are harshing my yellow! To quote our dear Carlos...NEXT !
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 11:26:00 AM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 11:26:00 AM EDT
Julie, thank you for explaining last night’s episode so eloquently.
I was so surprised to see how Ana MeMe allowed Tin Tin to push her around like that. It was obvious he was in control and she wasn’t. She was pretty off balance during her conversation with him. But it appeared that Tin Tin got the distinct impression (although Ana MeMe didn’t quite say it this way) that she is in love with Tio as a woman loves a man. Wasn’t that the surprised look on his face, realizing that Ana MeMe really lusts after her uncle more than anything? (Of course out there in TN land, nobody seems to find her slithering and sliding up and down Tio as anything that looks no quite right.) He sure had her pegged and off balance telling her that she’s only a pretty face and has never accomplished anything. Look how accomplished her sisters are. Ana Laura is an accomplished pianist and Ana Lu is an accomplished dancer. And what does Ana MeMe have? Nothing!
I wonder what the Rivendeira family business was all about? As far as I can see, Evilristo was nothing but a gangster and everyone who worked for him was a gangster. Of course Ratmundo is an accountant, but even Godfather gangsters need someone to cook the books.
What kind of business did Alfred Varela (Remedios’ husband) have? Are any of these “businesses” on the up and up?
I thought Evilristo’s death was a fitting ending for the episode.
PS: Ria.....do you still need me to substitute for Wednesday night's episode?
I was so surprised to see how Ana MeMe allowed Tin Tin to push her around like that. It was obvious he was in control and she wasn’t. She was pretty off balance during her conversation with him. But it appeared that Tin Tin got the distinct impression (although Ana MeMe didn’t quite say it this way) that she is in love with Tio as a woman loves a man. Wasn’t that the surprised look on his face, realizing that Ana MeMe really lusts after her uncle more than anything? (Of course out there in TN land, nobody seems to find her slithering and sliding up and down Tio as anything that looks no quite right.) He sure had her pegged and off balance telling her that she’s only a pretty face and has never accomplished anything. Look how accomplished her sisters are. Ana Laura is an accomplished pianist and Ana Lu is an accomplished dancer. And what does Ana MeMe have? Nothing!
I wonder what the Rivendeira family business was all about? As far as I can see, Evilristo was nothing but a gangster and everyone who worked for him was a gangster. Of course Ratmundo is an accountant, but even Godfather gangsters need someone to cook the books.
What kind of business did Alfred Varela (Remedios’ husband) have? Are any of these “businesses” on the up and up?
I thought Evilristo’s death was a fitting ending for the episode.
PS: Ria.....do you still need me to substitute for Wednesday night's episode?
We still don't have confirmation that Ana MeMeME was ever pregnant. I have suspected all along that she never had any intention of becoming so and therefore was lying to SantMarc. That was just the sort of lie she needed at that moment to hold onto him. I think she was also speaking to Santiago vs. Marcelo. She said that nobody else ever knew, which confirmed my suspicions.
But this lie needs to be blown apart. Valentin reminded me of that when he told her that she had nothing but her beauty. We know that Ana MeMeME would never do anything to compromise it.
As to everybody's dinero, we know that Ernestina came from money, maybe old money. That tends to breed a sense of entitlement in lots of people; her father sounds like a prime example. We also have no idea what her husband was like, but if there was actual corruption in that family it came from him.
But this lie needs to be blown apart. Valentin reminded me of that when he told her that she had nothing but her beauty. We know that Ana MeMeME would never do anything to compromise it.
As to everybody's dinero, we know that Ernestina came from money, maybe old money. That tends to breed a sense of entitlement in lots of people; her father sounds like a prime example. We also have no idea what her husband was like, but if there was actual corruption in that family it came from him.
Ev murdered Ernie's husband but did we know that? Has Ernie talked about how her husband died? Do they think it was an accident or an unsolved murder?
No, I don't recall her ever talking about that so we don't know how or even when. It could have even been when Lourdes was young, as she was an only child.
Susanlynn I was just fine with 'Harshing my Yellow', now I have to un-remember it. :-) toa
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:39:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:39:00 PM EDT
Ok, this stuff might be already getting clarified as I type but let me see if my brain was working properly last night. 3 men vs 3 men. Papa Jefe, Augusto,Ignacio VS Evaristo, Facundo, and Edmundo. Papa Jefe had Marge for a maid (and it seems another maid) knocked up with 2 other heirs out of wedlock (Soledad, and Leonor respectively). Ernestina is his sole legitimate heir, who happened to be in love with a very poor (at the time) Rodrigo. However, his businesses are run by his CEO, Augusto, who will inherit the President position when he dies. So he forces Marge to lie that Rod is the father of her baby (Sole), which results in his daughter's broken engagement & her eventual marriage to Augusto (who then have 1 daughter, Lourdes). Evaristo discovers that Marge lied, and promises to avenge her by destroying the family (Ernestina represents Sole's rightful place & he seeks to destroy her so that Sole will take over, clearly unaware of Leonor as the other heir).
After Papa Jefe's death, Facundo is introduced into working under or doing business with Augusto. He makes a deal with Augusto to obtain a share or the entire portion of the business should something happen to him. As a result of this agreement, Augusto is assassinated by Evaristo. They discover that Augusto in fact left everything to his son-in-law, Ignacio (who is married to Lourdes). It's possible they also set up the death of Ignacio (maybe messing with the brakes which caused Ignacio to lose defensive control when Ana Let grabbed the wheel). Ernestina then inherited the business, which might mean that Facundo was never set to be placed in charge of the business under any circumstance (or death). Facundo would then attempt to woo the other heir, Leonor. After eavesdropping on Leo's & Erne's convo (which seems he's done before), he makes the promise that she will restore her rightful place (this is right before he crashes Santi's welcome back party). Facundo may have also been the one to ensure Erne uses his son as an investigator, which resulted in him getting close to Ana Let. Evaristo and Edmundo are hired to infiltrate the trust (emotional & financial) of the family. Edmundo appears much more hesitant than the other two, even scolding Evaristo for mishandling his son, Ramiro's, kidnapping so poorly. He was assured his son wouldn't be hurt, with the pretext that it was just supposed to scare him off re-opening the Gina investigation.
Facundo also hires Alfredo and Martinez to watch over Marcelo. Alfredo forms a bond with him, and begins to protect him of his own accord. He holds the second key to a shared deposit box that they place in Samuel's name which hold important contents they've accrued throughout their investigation, including some that Marcelo's never seen. Rodrigo begins working with Facundo (possibly at Alfredo's insistence?) and was involved in saving Marcelo (maybe not). He may have only been involved up to the point that he found him comatose after visiting a dying Alfredo, who may have given Rod the heads up on Marcelo's condition. In order to keep Marcelo safe, he placed a dummy body in place to stave off Evaristo.
Ok, there's more to this that I wanted to add, but I think this is the jist. No? Anything else I missed?
After Papa Jefe's death, Facundo is introduced into working under or doing business with Augusto. He makes a deal with Augusto to obtain a share or the entire portion of the business should something happen to him. As a result of this agreement, Augusto is assassinated by Evaristo. They discover that Augusto in fact left everything to his son-in-law, Ignacio (who is married to Lourdes). It's possible they also set up the death of Ignacio (maybe messing with the brakes which caused Ignacio to lose defensive control when Ana Let grabbed the wheel). Ernestina then inherited the business, which might mean that Facundo was never set to be placed in charge of the business under any circumstance (or death). Facundo would then attempt to woo the other heir, Leonor. After eavesdropping on Leo's & Erne's convo (which seems he's done before), he makes the promise that she will restore her rightful place (this is right before he crashes Santi's welcome back party). Facundo may have also been the one to ensure Erne uses his son as an investigator, which resulted in him getting close to Ana Let. Evaristo and Edmundo are hired to infiltrate the trust (emotional & financial) of the family. Edmundo appears much more hesitant than the other two, even scolding Evaristo for mishandling his son, Ramiro's, kidnapping so poorly. He was assured his son wouldn't be hurt, with the pretext that it was just supposed to scare him off re-opening the Gina investigation.
Facundo also hires Alfredo and Martinez to watch over Marcelo. Alfredo forms a bond with him, and begins to protect him of his own accord. He holds the second key to a shared deposit box that they place in Samuel's name which hold important contents they've accrued throughout their investigation, including some that Marcelo's never seen. Rodrigo begins working with Facundo (possibly at Alfredo's insistence?) and was involved in saving Marcelo (maybe not). He may have only been involved up to the point that he found him comatose after visiting a dying Alfredo, who may have given Rod the heads up on Marcelo's condition. In order to keep Marcelo safe, he placed a dummy body in place to stave off Evaristo.
Ok, there's more to this that I wanted to add, but I think this is the jist. No? Anything else I missed?
I'm bummed we didn't find out what was in the safety deposit box. I hope we get some more clues tonight.
Freudian slip because of the yellow dress. That front zipper just screams ramera.
If AB were blonde for this series she'd not be able to wear that color. On white women yellow looks best on redheads or those with very dark hair.
If AB were blonde for this series she'd not be able to wear that color. On white women yellow looks best on redheads or those with very dark hair.
Anna, all of that seems super plausible. I'm wondering if in fact it was Rod that hired Alfredo to infiltrate and work with Marcelo to watch Facundo and Ev.
I wish I could wear yellow. Even though I have really dark hair I inherited my grandmother's pasty Scottish skin. Just a no go
Cynthia - About TinTin's knowledge of AnaLe's romantic love/lust for her uncle, Clawdia revealed this secret to TinTin a while back. So Clawdia gets the gold star for having AnaLe's number first.
Come to think of it, Clawdia gets the gold star for foiling Ramiro and Marcelo's slow plan for AnaLu returning to her kinfolks. So viewerville is in debt to Clawdia for moving this story along.
Come to think of it, Clawdia gets the gold star for foiling Ramiro and Marcelo's slow plan for AnaLu returning to her kinfolks. So viewerville is in debt to Clawdia for moving this story along.
Shouldn't be wearing it now. As an aside, a girl on some Spanish gossip show was wearing a bright pink toned down version of the same dress the other day. Cut up in the front, but not as far, and zippered from top to bottom. I suspect the zipper and a pair of pliers or coat hanger are the only way to close it without help.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:55:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:55:00 PM EDT
I can wear yellow, but it usually says 'John Deere'.
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Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:57:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 12:57:00 PM EDT
Niecie in MD: Yes, Tin-Tin had this knowledge, but he got her to admit to it herself. So he got to hear it with his own ears. :)
Anna-- girl, you just made some sense out of all the gibberish last night. I am still leaning to think as Vivi that all this seems to knee jerk of a finale wind up. I get pulling people out of a hat, but the reasons for everything. Guys, ineffectual much. I mean, how long does it take you to do anything. By the time they have their vengeance and hands on the money they are on death's door? C'mon.
Facundo seems so much younger to me than Ev and Rat, but guess it's genetics. honestly, the only reason I see all these guys letting the girls live and let AnaLoon manipulate is to let her, in her knowing unhinged state, take care of taking everyone out and then eventually they have their vengeance and money and she takes the fall.
We need Ramiro the Hero to get back from his love nest and save the day. At least that seems to be his setup. Still trying to figure out where Inaki will fit into the final steps here. Does AnaLoon set him up to not only be found out on his deaths by take the fall for hers and be taken out? We don't seem to be moving on his side of the story except, yippee, he has a new car.
Facundo seems so much younger to me than Ev and Rat, but guess it's genetics. honestly, the only reason I see all these guys letting the girls live and let AnaLoon manipulate is to let her, in her knowing unhinged state, take care of taking everyone out and then eventually they have their vengeance and money and she takes the fall.
We need Ramiro the Hero to get back from his love nest and save the day. At least that seems to be his setup. Still trying to figure out where Inaki will fit into the final steps here. Does AnaLoon set him up to not only be found out on his deaths by take the fall for hers and be taken out? We don't seem to be moving on his side of the story except, yippee, he has a new car.
Evaristo never would've harmed Ana Lucia because of Soledad. He had the pleasure of knowing where the missing triplet was and never telling.
Mariano's business and Ernestina's family fortune seem to be two separate entities. Facundo wouldn't care if the Alvarez del Castillo fortune was split 2 or 3 ways. Facundo's focus is on the Rivadinera fortune which is likely much much larger than Mariano's fortune. That's why he was trying to get with Leonor, because she's an unknown heiress.
The only reason I could think of why Facundo would even think Ernestina's dad's business would pass to HIM instead of ERNESTINA is either Facundo was either a suitor of Ernestina or another illegitimate sibling of Ernestina (which would also make him Leonor's sibling)...but I don't think that's the case!
Ramiro's mom probably discovered what Edmundo was up to & he snuffed her. Ramiro probably shares the same inquisitive tendencies.
I think Rodrigo is Powerful Man, pretending to head up this band of vegeance seekers against Ernestina but really keeping close to them to PROTECT Ernestina.
Rodrigo's true role and Gina's death are the two mysteries that need to be solved.
Mariano's business and Ernestina's family fortune seem to be two separate entities. Facundo wouldn't care if the Alvarez del Castillo fortune was split 2 or 3 ways. Facundo's focus is on the Rivadinera fortune which is likely much much larger than Mariano's fortune. That's why he was trying to get with Leonor, because she's an unknown heiress.
The only reason I could think of why Facundo would even think Ernestina's dad's business would pass to HIM instead of ERNESTINA is either Facundo was either a suitor of Ernestina or another illegitimate sibling of Ernestina (which would also make him Leonor's sibling)...but I don't think that's the case!
Ramiro's mom probably discovered what Edmundo was up to & he snuffed her. Ramiro probably shares the same inquisitive tendencies.
I think Rodrigo is Powerful Man, pretending to head up this band of vegeance seekers against Ernestina but really keeping close to them to PROTECT Ernestina.
Rodrigo's true role and Gina's death are the two mysteries that need to be solved.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 1:15:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 1:15:00 PM EDT
Wearing yellow is risky in the weather one would choose for it because it attracts bees.
I once had a yellow T-shirt from Mademoiselle Magazine and wore it to a company picnic. The bees all went after me. Fortunately I had an extra T-shirt (white) in the gym bag I was carrying and I changed in the ladies' room. No bees after that.
I just took another look at the accident scene. There would have been no time for Ignacio to hit the brakes. The car swerved sharply and quickly, went up as though on a ramp, and flipped over before landing on the edge of the embankment above the river. Once the car was towed after it was found any tampering with the brakes would have been revealed and investigated. There is no doubt in my mind that Ana MeMeME was responsible for the accident. If anything is said later about the car being tampered with it will be poor writing.
On another note, the scene that segued to was of Ana Lucia in a tight full-body leotard doing her thing on two long white silks while Isidro says complimentary things to SoleBad. Having seen the later scenes added a new creepiness to that.
I once had a yellow T-shirt from Mademoiselle Magazine and wore it to a company picnic. The bees all went after me. Fortunately I had an extra T-shirt (white) in the gym bag I was carrying and I changed in the ladies' room. No bees after that.
I just took another look at the accident scene. There would have been no time for Ignacio to hit the brakes. The car swerved sharply and quickly, went up as though on a ramp, and flipped over before landing on the edge of the embankment above the river. Once the car was towed after it was found any tampering with the brakes would have been revealed and investigated. There is no doubt in my mind that Ana MeMeME was responsible for the accident. If anything is said later about the car being tampered with it will be poor writing.
On another note, the scene that segued to was of Ana Lucia in a tight full-body leotard doing her thing on two long white silks while Isidro says complimentary things to SoleBad. Having seen the later scenes added a new creepiness to that.
Julie I LOVED YOUR RECAP. Concise, and well-written. Loved the "looks like she's having kittens"! I also expected a poisoned drink, but now it makes sense why he was lovely caressing his shoulders lol. Btw just a head's up that you typed Adolfo instead of Alfredo (I remember it b/c Alfredo is my papa's name :D)
Daisy Not sure if Rod saved them from the murder site (although it's possible). What we do know for sure, is that he knew what hospital they were staying at, and that Marcelo was in danger. He is suspect #1 for orchestrating the body double.
Diana Tin already knew about AnaLet's secret bc of Clawdia. He merely got her to confess it to his face.
Anon8:54 We're not sure what the ages are, but that seems about right. Facundo was staying at their home for a time while he was away from Costa Paraiso. His son and daughter-in-law were also visiting, so they probably came together. In his time here, Facundo may have learned of Leo's blood relation & decided to woo her. She of course would eventually end it, while he continued to write her love letters.
Urban Good point, they would have noticed any tampering, but then again I remember Erne saying that the accident was too painful, that they didn't try to find out what happened. Edmundo was never ok w/ any pending murder of his son, he even scolded Ev about it (right before AnaLet lurked in time to ask if he's learned anything about missing Marcy & Rammy). You make a good point that Papa Jefe may have been corrupt, so maybe some of his money is dirty!
Vivi I agree, but I think it's because they didn't give us any hint at Facundo's involvement other than his unexplainable insistence to be w/ Leo & keep his kid married to ALet. If there had been slow development, I could buy it, but they dumped a load on us these past few epis.
Julie Evaristo targets Ernestina b/c she's the direct heir. The triplets can't inherit anything if there's anther heir in her place (Sole). He was counting on placing Sole as the rightful heir upon Erne's death, and then she'd have the power to redistribute the wealth as she pleased. The kink is that he was never aware of Leo being another heir.
Niecie The thing is that the girls were in that car and still survived. Also, he expected that he'd bethe next in line after Ignacio, but looks like he was NEVER put in at all. So Erne would gain everything. It makes no sense to continue killing off the rest when he's not documented to get a dime under any circumstance.
Carvivlie I think he may be blackmailed to work for them via his wife's murder. It's also likely that he's just a bad dude who's gotten caught up in the thuggish world.
Cynthia It seems they likely own foundations and property, but it's not clear. Rodrigo and Mariano own property so it seems that this would be what the Rivadeneira fam was about. Rod could've went into the same biz to earn the status he lacked, and Tio & Ignacio may have met the Rivadeneira's through property dealings. Very likely, but who knows really?
Daisy Not sure if Rod saved them from the murder site (although it's possible). What we do know for sure, is that he knew what hospital they were staying at, and that Marcelo was in danger. He is suspect #1 for orchestrating the body double.
Diana Tin already knew about AnaLet's secret bc of Clawdia. He merely got her to confess it to his face.
Anon8:54 We're not sure what the ages are, but that seems about right. Facundo was staying at their home for a time while he was away from Costa Paraiso. His son and daughter-in-law were also visiting, so they probably came together. In his time here, Facundo may have learned of Leo's blood relation & decided to woo her. She of course would eventually end it, while he continued to write her love letters.
Urban Good point, they would have noticed any tampering, but then again I remember Erne saying that the accident was too painful, that they didn't try to find out what happened. Edmundo was never ok w/ any pending murder of his son, he even scolded Ev about it (right before AnaLet lurked in time to ask if he's learned anything about missing Marcy & Rammy). You make a good point that Papa Jefe may have been corrupt, so maybe some of his money is dirty!
Vivi I agree, but I think it's because they didn't give us any hint at Facundo's involvement other than his unexplainable insistence to be w/ Leo & keep his kid married to ALet. If there had been slow development, I could buy it, but they dumped a load on us these past few epis.
Julie Evaristo targets Ernestina b/c she's the direct heir. The triplets can't inherit anything if there's anther heir in her place (Sole). He was counting on placing Sole as the rightful heir upon Erne's death, and then she'd have the power to redistribute the wealth as she pleased. The kink is that he was never aware of Leo being another heir.
Niecie The thing is that the girls were in that car and still survived. Also, he expected that he'd bethe next in line after Ignacio, but looks like he was NEVER put in at all. So Erne would gain everything. It makes no sense to continue killing off the rest when he's not documented to get a dime under any circumstance.
Carvivlie I think he may be blackmailed to work for them via his wife's murder. It's also likely that he's just a bad dude who's gotten caught up in the thuggish world.
Cynthia It seems they likely own foundations and property, but it's not clear. Rodrigo and Mariano own property so it seems that this would be what the Rivadeneira fam was about. Rod could've went into the same biz to earn the status he lacked, and Tio & Ignacio may have met the Rivadeneira's through property dealings. Very likely, but who knows really?
The above scenario from Anna Nabil clears up a lot but---
I would think Ernestina's dad's business would in fact be inherited by ERNESTINA. Augusto may have run the business but the business & fortune is Ernestina's, NOT Augusto's.
If Augusto did make some deal with Facundo, it may have been invalidated because the business wasn't Augusto's to give away, it's ERNESTINA's.
Ernestina didn't inherit anything from Augusto or Lourdes' deaths because it was always hers to begin with. That's why Facundo started going after Leonor so he could get his hands on 50% of Ernestina's fortune that way, and working Marcelo/Ana Leticia so he could get 50% of Ernestina's fortune the other way.
Facundo, like Ana Leticia, needs Ana Lucia to go away because that means dividing up Ernestina's dad's fortune even more with one more person. Wait until he finds out about the third sister.
I would think Ernestina's dad's business would in fact be inherited by ERNESTINA. Augusto may have run the business but the business & fortune is Ernestina's, NOT Augusto's.
If Augusto did make some deal with Facundo, it may have been invalidated because the business wasn't Augusto's to give away, it's ERNESTINA's.
Ernestina didn't inherit anything from Augusto or Lourdes' deaths because it was always hers to begin with. That's why Facundo started going after Leonor so he could get his hands on 50% of Ernestina's fortune that way, and working Marcelo/Ana Leticia so he could get 50% of Ernestina's fortune the other way.
Facundo, like Ana Leticia, needs Ana Lucia to go away because that means dividing up Ernestina's dad's fortune even more with one more person. Wait until he finds out about the third sister.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 1:30:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 1:30:00 PM EDT
Ugh I'm such a slow typer lol. Alright, more comment interaction time!! :P
Carvivli Me too, hoped that they let us find out tonight not drag it out til Friday!
Urban I think yellow looks nice on brown hair too. Anything autumny, reds & browns. I've got jet black hair, so I usually look as morbid as they come :P I'm gonna look at the scene again, but it seems weird that Erne mentioned they didn't look into it due t their "grief" she mentions this during the epi Ana Laura confesses that it was AnaLet who took the wheel)
Niece I know, so odd that it'd be Clawdia out of everybody! So does that redeem her then? I wish he recorded her, too!
Anon12:55Lmbo!
Toa I wear yellow b/c I'm a banana :P
Daisy Don't thank me yet, I usually end up way off lol.
Gina's death was solved. Ev confronted Edmundo about faking her suicide like he did to his wife.
Carvivli Me too, hoped that they let us find out tonight not drag it out til Friday!
Urban I think yellow looks nice on brown hair too. Anything autumny, reds & browns. I've got jet black hair, so I usually look as morbid as they come :P I'm gonna look at the scene again, but it seems weird that Erne mentioned they didn't look into it due t their "grief" she mentions this during the epi Ana Laura confesses that it was AnaLet who took the wheel)
Niece I know, so odd that it'd be Clawdia out of everybody! So does that redeem her then? I wish he recorded her, too!
Anon12:55Lmbo!
Toa I wear yellow b/c I'm a banana :P
Daisy Don't thank me yet, I usually end up way off lol.
Gina's death was solved. Ev confronted Edmundo about faking her suicide like he did to his wife.
But Edmundo didn't admit it! He didn't say anything. Conviction by silence? Probably but we still don't know for sure. Ev still doesn't have definitive proof which is why he feels like it is still unsolved.
Anon207 No, I totally agree with you, but I never said anything about the inheritance going to Augusto. That's a separate matter. I mentioned that Erne was the sole legitimate heir (regarding the family inheritance). It was stated in conversation that Augusto would inherit the position as stated in my analysis. The business would be in his charge as official president. Ernestina was never one to handle her father's businesses (I believe she discussed this... w/ Mariano? or Leo??). So to make sure that the business stays in the family, he set up that the new president running everything, would also be the husband to his daughter. According to Erne, Augusto was a go man who she had some happy years with, so I'm sure he earned his way as a respected & trustworthy man in business as well.
We never saw the police or ambulances or anything arriving at the accident scene. However, we know that Ana MeMeME was conscious after the car landed. Presumably she was when she was rescued but possibly hysterical because she would have realized that her parents were dead. That would have likely made Ernestina and Mariano decide at the time not to look into it any further.
Ana Laura probably blacked out a lot of the accident because she would have seen that Ana MeMeME caused it. Ana Lucia blacked it out because she was further traumatized by being swept downstream in the river.
Ana Laura probably blacked out a lot of the accident because she would have seen that Ana MeMeME caused it. Ana Lucia blacked it out because she was further traumatized by being swept downstream in the river.
Hmmm..the yellow comment was autocorrect. I do not like the color, but my mother often told me that the color suited me. She also used to tell me that I had good legs and should wear shorter dresses...yeah, she might have liked ANaletmeslipintosomethinguncomfortables's teeny yellow frock. Yikes
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 1:53:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 1:53:00 PM EDT
Susanlynn, for years I didn't wear the color brown because my mother told me it was ugly. I finally tried on a dark brown sweater and found I look fabulous in that color.
Ok, this is the conversation (sorry had to fix html, so last repost promise!). I've heard of businesses being passed down from president to CEO, but it does seem odd that the "ownership" would be passed on. This is why it's easy to assume that he had the position and control, but she held the assets. But according to this, he inherited the business entirely. Erne later acquires the assets upon Ignacio's death.
Evaristo: Mi odio es más antiguo que el tuyo, tú nunca conociste al padre de Ernestina, era un hombre despreciable.
(My hatred is much older than yours, you never knew Ernestina's father, he was a negligent man).
Facundo: Conozco la historia, arrancó a Rodrigo Casasola de la vida de su hija, y la obligó a casarse con el heredero de todos sus negocios, Augusto Rivadeneira.
(I know the story, he rippedRodrigo Casasola away from the life of his daughter, and forced her to marry the heir all his businesses, Augusto Rivadeneira.)
Evaristo: Don Augusto te traicionó, no cumplió con su palabra.
(Don Augusto betrayed you, he broke his word.)
Facundo: De nada me sirvió que lo hayas matado en aquel momento. Dejó a Ignacio al frente de todo, y solo porque era su yerno y padre de sus adoradas nietas.
(You served me well when you killed him in that moment. He left everything to Ignacio, and only because it was his son-in-law and father of his beloved granddaughters.)
Yay, a spanish lesson & group mystery sleuthing in one!
Evaristo: Mi odio es más antiguo que el tuyo, tú nunca conociste al padre de Ernestina, era un hombre despreciable.
(My hatred is much older than yours, you never knew Ernestina's father, he was a negligent man).
Facundo: Conozco la historia, arrancó a Rodrigo Casasola de la vida de su hija, y la obligó a casarse con el heredero de todos sus negocios, Augusto Rivadeneira.
(I know the story, he rippedRodrigo Casasola away from the life of his daughter, and forced her to marry the heir all his businesses, Augusto Rivadeneira.)
Evaristo: Don Augusto te traicionó, no cumplió con su palabra.
(Don Augusto betrayed you, he broke his word.)
Facundo: De nada me sirvió que lo hayas matado en aquel momento. Dejó a Ignacio al frente de todo, y solo porque era su yerno y padre de sus adoradas nietas.
(You served me well when you killed him in that moment. He left everything to Ignacio, and only because it was his son-in-law and father of his beloved granddaughters.)
Yay, a spanish lesson & group mystery sleuthing in one!
Anna, thanks for that summary. It's helpful to see all the info in one place. Also thanks for the Adolfo vs Alfredo slip - I'll fix that.
Also: "De nada me sirvió" -- oops, I took that to me "it DIDN'T do me any good."
Also: "De nada me sirvió" -- oops, I took that to me "it DIDN'T do me any good."
It was clear to me a couple of episodes ago that Ana MeMeME intended to kill Ana Lucia before Ernestina had a chance to find out that she was alive. This is going to be substantially more difficult because other people know she is alive (Mariano and SantMarc, as far as she knows). Isidro's body has yet to be found and that will set Ana MeMeME on edge. Inaki, too.
Ghoulieta still seems to have dinero. Where the hell is her soon-to-be-ex and his divorce lawyer?
That Edmundo is Ernestina's lawyer(?) is a bad omen.
Ghoulieta still seems to have dinero. Where the hell is her soon-to-be-ex and his divorce lawyer?
That Edmundo is Ernestina's lawyer(?) is a bad omen.
Ernestina is likely the guardian of the trips' inheritance, not the heir. The businesses would've belonged to the girls upon Ignacio's death, but because they were 4 at the time of their parents' deaths, Ernestina took control, with Mariano's help.
Augusto's death and Lourdes' death were in quick succession, if Augusto left the business to Ignacio because Ignacio was his son in law and father of his beloved granddaughters. Could not have been any more than 3 years apart.
The business and the fortune must also be two separate entities; otherwise Facundo would not be trying to get with Leonor. As the housekeeper/nanny, Leonor would've had nothing to do with the business.
This leads me to wonder who is actually running Ernestina's father's business? Is Mariano running it or is his running his own business? It doesn't make sense that they would murder Augusto and probably Ignacio/Lourdes but NOT come for Mariano in these past 20 years.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:18:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:18:00 PM EDT
Anon207 - good question about the business, but the real estate place is the ONLY business we've seen, and Mariano has supposedly been running things for Ernestina, so I've been assuming that the real estate place is the business.
For how wealthy this family is, though, you'd think there would be more than one business. Maybe the so-called real estate place is just one part (the headquarters) of a group of property management companies owned by the family.
For how wealthy this family is, though, you'd think there would be more than one business. Maybe the so-called real estate place is just one part (the headquarters) of a group of property management companies owned by the family.
Mariano is running his own real-estate firm. I don't get the sense that he is running anything else. Could Ernestina have sold the family business (whatever it was) and invested the dinero? She herself is only involved with the foundation and Ana Laura works there.
Or is Edmundo running the business that the triplets would have inherited? How much did he skim off it by now if that is the case?
It doesn't seem to me that Ana Laura's college education would have had much to do with business if she showed musical talent in the single-digit ages. Ana MeMeME doesn't seem to have been interested in much beyond shopping, partying, and flirting, so could she have been a business major? I don't think so. She is only at the realty office to be near Mariano; have we ever seen her close a deal on her own? No.
So.... I think Ernestina's fortune is now just in investments that Ratmundo has been allowing to build up until he can strike bigger than what he did with the foundation's assets. Here's hoping those offshore accounts can be found before his Karmageddon hits.
Or is Edmundo running the business that the triplets would have inherited? How much did he skim off it by now if that is the case?
It doesn't seem to me that Ana Laura's college education would have had much to do with business if she showed musical talent in the single-digit ages. Ana MeMeME doesn't seem to have been interested in much beyond shopping, partying, and flirting, so could she have been a business major? I don't think so. She is only at the realty office to be near Mariano; have we ever seen her close a deal on her own? No.
So.... I think Ernestina's fortune is now just in investments that Ratmundo has been allowing to build up until he can strike bigger than what he did with the foundation's assets. Here's hoping those offshore accounts can be found before his Karmageddon hits.
Thanks for the recap and thanks to everyone for the explanation of Evaristo and Ernestina's family.
I knew that Evaristo would eventually die but I didn't expect Facundo to be the one to kill him and in the manner that he did so. I think it would've been more exciting had Marcelo killed him.
Those flashbacks definitely brought some insight into Soledad's past. I've said it before but I'll say again that Ernestina's father seems to be an important piece in the puzzle even in death. He seems to be the one that started this whole mess and Evaristo is the living example of a dangerous enemy.
Will Ernestina finally meet Ana Lucia?
I knew that Evaristo would eventually die but I didn't expect Facundo to be the one to kill him and in the manner that he did so. I think it would've been more exciting had Marcelo killed him.
Those flashbacks definitely brought some insight into Soledad's past. I've said it before but I'll say again that Ernestina's father seems to be an important piece in the puzzle even in death. He seems to be the one that started this whole mess and Evaristo is the living example of a dangerous enemy.
Will Ernestina finally meet Ana Lucia?
Wow! I love all this analysis of the Rivadeneira and Álvarez del Castillo fortunes. Unfortunately, I think you all have put more thought into this than the writers have.
First of all, thank you Julie for the excellent recap! I wish I would have known you had it up so early. I usually stay aw3ake until midnight, on the chance I will find it here. Last night, I was just too tired...
I flew home from my university class and made it just in time for the TVA beginning. Even though I was able to see the entire program, there was so-o-o much conversation, I didn't understand a lot. You retold and explained everything very well.
So many great comments! I would have contributed, but I didn't have anything to add.
Anna, how do you remember so many little details? Thank you so much for your input.
Can't wait for tonight's episode...
I flew home from my university class and made it just in time for the TVA beginning. Even though I was able to see the entire program, there was so-o-o much conversation, I didn't understand a lot. You retold and explained everything very well.
So many great comments! I would have contributed, but I didn't have anything to add.
Anna, how do you remember so many little details? Thank you so much for your input.
Can't wait for tonight's episode...
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:47:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:47:00 PM EDT
Thank you, Julie. I am away from home this week and just grabbed some time to watch the episode and read your brilliantly detailed recap. What an episode to try to recap! The comments are great today. I have nothing much to add beyond loving. Valentin's analysis of AnaLe's behavior, right down to the clothes and make-up. The convoluted interactions of these old guys seem a bit more than the story line needs, but are great to try to decipher. Again, many thanks.
Vivi, you're probably right. However, I think that these writers have mostly done a better job than the writers of PyP and there are worse examples from recent history. I am still wondering how much of this one was planned in advance and how much got made up as they went along. That it's a remake doesn't matter. What would be the point of remaking it line for line? That was Telemundo's biggest mistake with its version of El Clon.
Oh this is so tiresome..left two comments on two different recaps but because I had to sign in and come up with a new password...oh dear, why am I whinging? You wrote a fabulous recap of a complicated talky episode and I know how much time and energy that takes. Loved Ratty tells Facky. And a lot more but Hell's Bells now I've forgotten it all. (and probably forgotten my new password as well).
But thanks Julie. You're a gifted storyteller and much appreciated.
But thanks Julie. You're a gifted storyteller and much appreciated.
I'm over elsewhere looking for spanish audio lessons for my sis & missing all the cool action over here! Great convo so far!
Julie No Julie, I'm mistaken! I read it as one full phrase "de nada me sirvio" (and somehow translated it as "Your welcoming service"). But it's separated, as in literally "for nothing, (comma) it serviced me".
Urban Lol @ "soon-to-be-ex", I totally forgot about him. I hope he shows up with the DNA results & an emptied bank account slip with Ghoul's name on it.
Anon07 Good point, I naturally assumed that since she's the wife & daughter to both original heirs that she'd be next in line after Ignacio (Iggy). But there's no indication that she actually owns the assets from being in a will, or from (as you stated) being the "triplet's guardian". I like that she doesn't care about her wealth, only her family. She may have sold the business, and holds the inheritance in dollars not assets, which explains why they spoke in percentages (50% for Lu, 25% each the rest). I don't get what you mean by no more than 3 years?? Augusto (Gus) inherited the business soon after Papa Jefe's death, and it wasn't clear how long that was before Gus died. But I guess it would make sense that they wouldn't wait too long to nix him. I think Tio owns his own biz. But even if it is the inherited biz, killing Gus was in the hopes that Fac-man was next in line, only to discover it goes to Iggy. If they indeed killed Iggy, they would soon realize after that death that for sure Gus never put his name in line after anyone. So it'd be no use to kill Tio. Not even positive the car accident was even a murder, anyhow.
TF I lovedhim too but I felt the opposite. I liked that his death was done with a respectful oration of his talents and abilities before his brain was literally disconnected from his neck (as it had been figuratively). It made me hate Fac-man a little less.
Virginia Pfft, you'd think I wouldn't lose my keys and wallet as much! I'm not as good as Viri, Urban, & Anon207 when it comes to the whole picture. I can remember dissections in detail, but then I have to pop an eye vessel putting the pieces together lol.
Mati All this time we hoped Gina, then Clawdia, then Viri to be the worthy adversary for AnaLet. It was Tin all along who would give the verbal lashing we'd been waiting for. So we were in the right direction looking for a luscious female, but what our radar was trying to hone in on was an emasculated lush :P
Julie No Julie, I'm mistaken! I read it as one full phrase "de nada me sirvio" (and somehow translated it as "Your welcoming service"). But it's separated, as in literally "for nothing, (comma) it serviced me".
Urban Lol @ "soon-to-be-ex", I totally forgot about him. I hope he shows up with the DNA results & an emptied bank account slip with Ghoul's name on it.
Anon07 Good point, I naturally assumed that since she's the wife & daughter to both original heirs that she'd be next in line after Ignacio (Iggy). But there's no indication that she actually owns the assets from being in a will, or from (as you stated) being the "triplet's guardian". I like that she doesn't care about her wealth, only her family. She may have sold the business, and holds the inheritance in dollars not assets, which explains why they spoke in percentages (50% for Lu, 25% each the rest). I don't get what you mean by no more than 3 years?? Augusto (Gus) inherited the business soon after Papa Jefe's death, and it wasn't clear how long that was before Gus died. But I guess it would make sense that they wouldn't wait too long to nix him. I think Tio owns his own biz. But even if it is the inherited biz, killing Gus was in the hopes that Fac-man was next in line, only to discover it goes to Iggy. If they indeed killed Iggy, they would soon realize after that death that for sure Gus never put his name in line after anyone. So it'd be no use to kill Tio. Not even positive the car accident was even a murder, anyhow.
TF I lovedhim too but I felt the opposite. I liked that his death was done with a respectful oration of his talents and abilities before his brain was literally disconnected from his neck (as it had been figuratively). It made me hate Fac-man a little less.
Virginia Pfft, you'd think I wouldn't lose my keys and wallet as much! I'm not as good as Viri, Urban, & Anon207 when it comes to the whole picture. I can remember dissections in detail, but then I have to pop an eye vessel putting the pieces together lol.
Mati All this time we hoped Gina, then Clawdia, then Viri to be the worthy adversary for AnaLet. It was Tin all along who would give the verbal lashing we'd been waiting for. So we were in the right direction looking for a luscious female, but what our radar was trying to hone in on was an emasculated lush :P
But..But...But..IF Ratmundo has siphoned off huge sums and stashed it offshore...AND if Ramiro is his only heir, AND Ratshit finally dies (soon) guess where all that stolen money will return to? Viola ! Yay..Rambo and Bamb..i..er...AnaLlaura. OK that said let's get us some killing going. WooHoo.
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Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 5:10:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 5:10:00 PM EDT
I am going to bet that neither Ramiro nor SantMarc will accept their inheritances if the monies are tainted. but we may have to wait until the finale to find that out.
I'm onto something here. Which bad people do we need to kill and in what order to give that stolen money back to the good people?
OK to start:
Ratmundo>---->Ram/AnaLaura
Fecendo>----->Santi/Marc who can then be married to AnaLucy
Evaristo(2 stage)> ----SoeBad (who had willed everything to AnaLuc) first stage
SoBad----->AnaLucia second stage
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OK to start:
Ratmundo>---->Ram/AnaLaura
Fecendo>----->Santi/Marc who can then be married to AnaLucy
Evaristo(2 stage)> ----SoeBad (who had willed everything to AnaLuc) first stage
SoBad----->AnaLucia second stage
toa
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 5:25:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 5:25:00 PM EDT
Facundo & company were mad because Augusto left the business to Ignacio, solely because Ignacio was his son in law and father to his beloved granddaughters.
In order for Augusto to love his granddaughters he would've had to have known of their existence. Since the twins were 4 when Lourdes died, there couldn't have been any more than 4.5 years max between Augusto's death and Lourdes' death (twins could've been 4 1/2, Augusto could've learned Lourdes was expecting triplets, then was killed etc)
I think we may learn Lourdes & Ignacio's deaths were no accident.
In order for Augusto to love his granddaughters he would've had to have known of their existence. Since the twins were 4 when Lourdes died, there couldn't have been any more than 4.5 years max between Augusto's death and Lourdes' death (twins could've been 4 1/2, Augusto could've learned Lourdes was expecting triplets, then was killed etc)
I think we may learn Lourdes & Ignacio's deaths were no accident.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:24:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:24:00 PM EDT
Leapin Lizards the previews are showing AnaLetmehackyoutodeath in that same tacky yellow dress? getting out a hugely dangerous looking kitchen knife. YIKES
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:50:00 PM EDT
: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:50:00 PM EDT
Sorry I am so late, but I am out of town this week but did get a chance to finally read this great recap! Thanks Julie!!
Sounds like it was a very busy day for Ana Le and looks like Evaristo's death indeed was very dignified for such a great TN villain.
Sounds like it was a very busy day for Ana Le and looks like Evaristo's death indeed was very dignified for such a great TN villain.
Anon207 Oh you meant the 3 years of inheritance were for Ignacio, I thought we were talking about Augusto. Thanks, it makes more sense now :)
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: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 7:31:00 PM EDT
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