Caray, Caray!

Thank You Ms Urban, you always come through with something better than the show. Looking forward to it.

Well someone aside from us Caray Crazies must have gone wild about the many almost smoochies Bad Ana tried put onto Tio. Gracie is working right out of AnaLetme's playbook. The flutering eyelashes, trembling lips, and if she were my dog DimDave would have already gotten a slobbery doggie kiss, she was so close after the memorial service. Yikes ! Hand up on his chest, I couldn't see her lower hand. I was waiting for him to jump back and ask her if she lost her flippin mind.

Luci is a juvenile delinquent. Somebody needs to spank her. She is treading that thin thin line between reasons and excuses for her behavior.

Susan is getting cuter since she is not wearing that Tano shawl anymore.

Poor DimDave. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and surrounded by liars and idiots. He does appear to know the wine business though. One word of advice Son....Hit it and quit it. Fire Luci and get her out of your system, she is a handful and all four of yours are already in use.

Sonia was the best with that cake box. That fakecake sent her into a low earth orbit. Luuuuurrrvvvve Sonia.
 

Thanks so much Urban! Loved that part where Sonia found the box the cake came in. No way that bimbo knows how to bake anything....too funny. Also, who has a celebration for someone's life 2 years later and makes it another funeral? Good grief, it's such a manipulative measure on Lillian and Gracie's part. It should have been more of a "let's remember the good times", not let's mourn and cry all over again. And everyone dressed in black! That was horrible!

Yeah, I don't know why the building says, "Community Center". I think the production crew forgot to put a facade on the building to cover the real sign and make it say, "Such and Such School". Kids don't go to school in a community center.

I'll have to watch that part again where David and Gracie are talking about the new presentation of wine. It had to do with a fusion of art and wine. But I'll have to watch it again.

Thanks again Urban.
 

Thank you UA.

"Lillian and Gracie had a low-key disagreement about each other's hypocrisy" This, along with Sonia's smoldering desire for David the only consistency in this show.

The debate is, as Cynthia mentioned, on brand and marketing of the new wine. Graciela wanting a fusion of art & wine ambience and David/Luciana's view the wine and it's character front and center.

Luciana can never be wrong, even blaming Miguel if Bobby got in trouble, because he told David the truth of where she was. Not only is it ok that she lie but expects her puppy to lie too.

What is Luciana going on about? She made her decision, dry humping about the vineyard night and day with Miguel, but now whine about no chance with Dave because his kids. She shut that door not David.

Why would Gutierrez come to Lisa's memorial knowing Marta and Luciana could be there? He's enjoying this.

In your face Luciana. Bobby's leverage with the bullies was his aunt Graciela's relationship with the footballer. However, why not a NBA or NFL player?

 

Urban, I was so happy to read your exceptional recap this morning. Loved the screen shot - Sonia was shining and Gracie, well she seemed uncomfortable at best. As well she should.

"she will have other opportunities toward their agenda [I can't wait for Lillian to find our Sonia's]" was my favorite. Delicious thought isn't it?

"She disobeyed his directive about touching him when she said “Especially here, in your heart” as she put her deathly white hand on his chest. He grabbed it and looked as though he wanted to remove it" was spot on. I do think David has been extremely careful to keep Graciela at arm's length. He seems to tolerate her only as she is Lisa's sister. However, he is clearly lonely and alone. My only fear is that he will capitulate in a moment of despair and weakness. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

tofie, I don't understand Gutierrez's appearance at the memorial either. Is he playing Lillian? His appearance would certainly alienate Marta but he took a far greater chance running into Luci who would expose him in a NY minute.

While Luci had the best of intentions in running interference between Bobby and the bullies, I am hard pressed to believe one shot of his tia with a football star would deter them. Perhaps they are lite bullies who will be deterred by such a small occurrence. However, bullying is detestable and I’m not fully comfortable that a real life situation would ever be solved so easily.

Cynthia, I'm having fun trying to decide if Sonia is crazy cool or just plain crazy. I'm loving every minute she is on screen.

I wanted to slap the laughing smirk off Juan's face when David was angrily questioning Susan and Miguel as to Luci's whereabouts. And again, pairing him with the annoying Perla is deflecting some of his evil and viciousness. He and Graciela would be a far more formidable pairing.

Kirby, your "Susan is getting cuter since she is not wearing that Tano shawl anymore" was great...

Urban, thank you! This was fantastic.

Diana
 

Thank you, Urban.

How many years have passed since GRacie killed LIsa? Dave has just climbed out of his pit of despair and opened the curtains of the livingroom\his soul to let the sunshine, let the sunshine..the sun..shine in...and now we have funeral part 2 to drag him and his poor kids back down into the pit.

Your screen cap choice was perfect. What a juxtaposition of Sonia's dress of respectful somberness and Marilyn Monstrosity's black..bathing suit? I think that I saw Esther Willians wearing that in an old movie. Was there any remorse showing on that pale contenance?
 

Wine \ art ambience...??..."wart"????
 

Great job, UA.

Lord knows I'm not one to turn down cleavage-based cheesecake, but Graciela's for once low-cut dress didn't even place in this episode for me. The fact that Lilian managed to engineer #LisasStillDeadParty in the first place, let alone how inevitably somber and sad it was, was so far out in front it wasn't even a contest between it and second place (yes, David got the Rogelio/LQNPA gear out again).

Susan shedding the Tano shawl (nice one, Kirby) is welcome, especially since I'm more invested in the Mark thing than the Tano thing, but I can't help wondering what it means for Tano. Since Fernanda's the ingénue she has to get somebody in the end, but neither she nor Tano are worthy of each other...yet.

The Gutierrez thing...I'm kind of fuzzy on this, but AIUI Luciana and Ramon remember a Gutierrez from the whole deportation thing 12-15 years ago (including the two years since Lisa's death). But, up to last night, only Marta and Lilian have actually seen him lately; Luciana keeps just missing him, and Ramon's just stomping off because "Bryan" is obviously the object of Marta's OMG-I'm-sticking-his-card-in-my-bra thirst (and Lilian's weirdly, briefly sympathetic I-can't-lose-another-guy-to-that-bitch thirst--that was all Azela Robinson, IMO, but still).
 

Thanks, guys. Tofie, I agree completely with your question about the choice of sport. These are US American kids, so a football or baseball star would be more impressive.

I wondered about what was so "nerdy" about Bobby as those kids all looked like they could be his brothers, but kids that age are still prone to resenting other kids who have higher grades than they do. I started wondering whether bullying is a lesser concern elsewhere but interestingly, a good friend I made thanks to Meetup told me something that said it's quite universal. He went to a technical high school where the bullying had the tone "What, you only got an A- on the calculus test?" Jaw, meet Floor.

Luciana is still young enough to think that a man's children will be a barrier to him having a love life, especially after FerBrat's little stunt with the earrings. She's not looking for a repeat performance of this. I also don't think she has much experience with men. Some here are thinking she's getting off on playing David and Miguel against each other, but there is no malice in Luciana.

Brian was probably hoping to see Marta, but I doubt he thought much about possibly encountering Luciana. And he's still in the wrong rank uniform.
 

Did anyone else think Lili's hub was Guillermo García Cantú??

Was her admission about his fate one of murder???

Diana
 

I don't think Luciana is trying to rub David in Miguels face, she tries to hide any display not wanting to hurt him. However, David and Luciana had an understanding he took seriously and she didn't. Thankfully David finally told her, though he cares for her, he'll try his best to suppress it and not allow that to cloud his behavior. Last night her final parry for not telling him about Bobby was to change the conversation and challenge him about the real reason he was angry, suggesting it was because of her rejection.
 

Thanks, Urban. Fine recap.

About the Susan-Tano convo. Susan was telling Tano not to change who he is for her. She seemed to accept that he's impulsive [I say he's simply young and inexperienced] and they're not compatible together. I still like her. She tripped up with Tano, but she's definitely got Juan's number.

Luciana wears a bustier with an open blouse and jeans so tight they make her bare tummy look puffy? I thought Bobby's bullies would've been mollified by him simply showing up at school with this babe. ITA that a mere photo of his supposed auntie with Cristiano Ronaldo would not shut down bullies in the real world.

Diana - I thought the hub in the photo looked like Cantú too. I sure hope so because maybe that means we'd get flashbacks.
 

Diana I thought it looked like Manuel Ojeda, though I would be very ok with GGC if we flashbacks at some point.

Anyway, I took it as an admission she done him in and the same fate could await Gutierrez.
 

We haven't had any flashbacks yet to anything we haven't already seen. If past experience is the indicator we won't get any. I kept hoping for that during PyP but it never happened.

It's routine at Televisa to create past family photos using their roster of actors. There are numerous examples of them with recognizable actors who don't end up in the series.
 

Will come back later to expound--meanwhile, thank you Urban for catching all of this episode. I spent half of it trying to figure out why my DVR wasn't recording it (blame it on LaBanda).

Anywho--my overaching questions are how does Luci get back and forth to Bobby's school? Does she walk? Have someone drive her? Take a company car? How was it that Bobby went home with her and not with Fer or the take the schoolbus? (Does this preoccupation with details mean I'm getting bored with the story? Will have to wait and see.)
 

From Delilah, yesterday: "This may have already been discussed, but could it be that Marta knows who Gutierrez is and his hand in having her husband/Luciana deported years ago? Could she be setting him up?"

It's been suggested/discussed that she knows who he has and that she might have something up her sleeve. I'd like to believe that's the case, but a) what could she possibly be setting him up for that requires such an elaborate scheme, and b) although she once made a comment to Ramon about having sometimes having to do things we don't want to do, she actually seems to like Gutierrez. Although it's also possible that all those little smiles of hers are just for being pleased that he's falling into her trap, whatever it might be.
 

@Tofie and @Urban. Actually the boys seemed to bond over SOCCER so it was reasonable for them to be impressed by a huge soccer star like Cristiano Ronaldo who plays for Real Madrid in Spain which is where Grace was. So all that makes sense. Soccer is huge in Europe. An NFL Player or Baseball star would not have made sense. Also many Americans who play soccer or are into soccer know very well who Cristiano Ronaldo is.
 

I don't know...Marta so far has merely been the adoring, put-upon nanny/"nana." We haven't had a clue that she's got any serious cunning skills yet, and that plus her playing the classic novela archetype are what nudge me away from the idea that she's somehow setting Gutierrez up. I do think she's got one last big secret that will come out and push Luciana away (another novela tradition), but her low-key feud with Lilian over the guy who deported her daughter sounds exactly like what it appears to be: one more reason for Cynthia Klitbo to get her Victoria Ruffo on later.

(And it indirectly goes back to the flower card, IMHO. If she really knew who Gutierrez was, would she really have stuck his card from that huge bouquet in her bra?)
 

Thanks, Urban! I agree, there is no malice in Luciana. I do see confusion though, and perhaps an instinct to hedge her bets. She doesn't yet have the maturity to resist that instinct.
 

Anita: All these characters seem to be blessed with the same "Think Travel" we saw in P&P. Someone at the mansion could just close their eyes, think where the next scene is to be shot, and do an "I dream of Jeannie" / "Bewitched" nose twitch and they would be at the Montenegro corporate headquarters on the other side of DF. It is not like I see any bus stop signs around the Vineyard.

I enjoyed Lillian telling Gracie "You really ARE bipolar." at the funeral.
 

Urban, I rewatched the part where Grace, Juan, and David were outside talking about Grace's idea for marketing the wine. The gist of it all was that she wants to market the reserve wine as the fusion of art and wine for the sophisticated palate. She is appealing to the cultured artsy community who can merge their love for art along with their love for fine wine. David liked the idea, but wants to make sure that the quality of the wine remained front and center and wanted it presented with the technical correctness that only Luciana and Susan can offer with their scientific expertise from understanding of how the wine is made and how the grapes were grown.
 

I missed that too, Cynthia (partially because I was laughing at David's epic "WTF is going on here?" face as Graciela and Punchable Face were tag-teaming him), so thanks for explaining all of it.
 

Cynthia: Lillian needs to realize that Gutierrez is the one, who is a schemer & manipulator.

Don't know Caray Caray peeps: Karma will bite Gutierrez sooner or later!

Kirby: Lillian better WATCH HERSELF when she told Graciela to her face that she's bipolar. (I'm sure Lisa was already buried at the cemetery many episodes ago).

Julie: Ramon's going to have to tell Lillian the truth about Gutierrez!

 

Wine is often served at art gallery exhibition openings, so it is a sound idea.

I don't know that the scientific explanations matter to people who buy wine for its flavor and the way it complements particular foods. It might matter to wine experts, though. The wine should also be promoted to owners of country clubs and classy restaurants who would then become major clients of the winery. I would recommend that they have an event where the sommeliers of those places are invited to taste the wine and take home a couple of bottles of it.

There are restaurant events in New York when Napa Valley vintners send representatives with cases of wine to serve free to patrons who fill out short surveys afterward. The advertising industry looooooooooves these events.


 

Well, Steve, not at the FIRST funeral, but @Funeral 2.0 last night when she called her bipolar.
 

Steve I believe it was Lillian who orchestrated Guttierez' deportations of Luci and her Dad to begin with.
 

True that Lillian orchestrated the deportation, but it now appears that Gutierrez has the upper hand in their relationship. He might now have something up HIS sleeve.
 

Gracie isn't bipolar, just evil and selfish. I wonder whether Lillian is becoming aware that Gracie's agenda doesn't match hers and is looking to gaslight her.

Gracie's most disturbing feature is her eyes. They look almost colorless and in a sea of such a pale complexion, blonde hair, and such red lips they make her look almost supernatural, like a vampire or a succubus.
 

Urban, watch her cold reptilian eyes. They say more than her mouth EVER does.
 

UA: Graciela is likely to murder someone else again, but likely in later episodes down the road.

Kirby: Luciana is on THIN ICE considering her attitude is going to get her fired from the job she's got right now.


 

Kirby: I meant Marta on my first comment.


 

Many small vineyards have popped up here in our rural area replacing family farms that raised steer, sheep, or pigs and grew potatoes, corn, grains, and soybeans . These vineyards often offer tours of both the grapes and the winemaking facilities. Guests climb into wagons pulled by tractors and ride through the vineyard before sampling and purchasing some wine. Sometimes food and wine combinations are served.

If we see a final confrontation between mother and daughter, I am betting on Lilian.

Well, I am ready for more wine and whining tonight.
 

Did I hear correctly? Didn't JUan call Susan ..SUsanita??? Step back , JUan. You do not do charming kidder well . Hey, when are we going to meet exhub Mark. If he is a friend of Juan's , he must be another weasel.
 

I am confused. Cesar is a doctor, so why is he talking to Susan's lawyer? And why would her lawyer talk to him?
 

Who knows? Maybe he has a brother.
 

What was the purpose of the memorial service for LIsa? Did LIlian plan it to plunge Dave back into depression so that he doesnt notice what she and JUan are up to?
 

The plan was to knock the scab off and in David's vulnerable emotional state Graciela could move in to play doctor. At least that's Lilian's plan but didn't tell Graciela till after the service.
 

Tofie...thanks. I hope that renewed blue Dave does not start oversampling the vino . I do not want GRacie to spray LIsa's signature perfume all over herself and crawl into DAve's bed one dark night after he's had a little too much vino. #donotdoitdave #ohnoes
 

Susanlynn: You know what's likely to happen here:

Graciela will sneak into David's bedroom, have steamy sex & become preggers!


 

David will think he had a VERA realistic wet dream.

I caught Susanita. I wondered if that meant he and she had some history of some sort.

I assumed that Docs and Lawyers just kinda travel in the same circles, so Cesaer Fancy Feast knew Susanita's atty that way.
 

Kirby,,,I think that Juan was just being forward with Susan, but SUsan was not having it. Perhaps he knows her because he knows her ex. I am very anxious to see this ex. He sounds like trouble if he and JUan are friends. Birds of a feather and all.
 

I think he called her "Susanita" just to belittle her. Juan is a bully.
 

I have trouble watching NOJuan because everyone he comes in contact with I am secretly willing them TO PUNCH HIM IN HIS DUCKLIP FACE.
 

I predict that Juan will get punched a lot, because he has that effect on people. I just wish it would happen sooner.
 

Julie...yes, that sounds about right for Juanito.

I also agree that someone is eventually going to punch that smirk off his face...most likely it will be Dave ...after he wakes up , gets his groove back, and finally notices that his bro is a weasel who has been stabbing him in the back...repeatedly but Dave was too depressed to notice. Despierta, Dave. As they say, Juanito will hear two things..DAve hitting him and him hitting the ground.

Juanito and Gracie would make a deliciously evil duo. That couple would be so much more interesting to watch than Juanito And Petulant Perla...blah.
 

Whack ! Quack !WHACK Aflac. Aaarrrrrgh
 

Holy Wah! Late to the party with just time enough to say, Thank you, Urban! Literally thoroughly delightful! I just finished this episode and will check out comments if I get time.

Thanks!
 

Diana--This is so you, "Cynthia, I'm having fun trying to decide if Sonia is crazy cool or just plain crazy. I'm loving every minute she is on screen."

I'm also wondering if Gutt knows for sure which one is Luci and whether he would need to be introduced as Marta's daughter before he catches on. She was deported as a child and would look different as a young woman. But Luciana, on the other hand, will remember him in a flash--he hasn't changed a bit.
 

Bill C--I just now got to your comment. My unblemished thoughts exactly--didn't copy, but we're on the same wavelength.
 

tofie--Lilian may have reminded Grace after the service, but she said the same thing on Friday (oh, the things we remember/forget). Here it is, "Lilian convinces her it will help Grace reach her objective to separate Luciana from David. And when she is, Grace will be there to fill the void."
 

I do not get Gracie: She is not unattractive, she ostensibly has her own money, and we are to believe, has talent. Why does she want DimBul...er David so badly?

Usually it is not the man a woman like her wants sooo, it is rather to take something (a loved man) away from a mating competitor. She has already murdered her sister, so it is a stretch to take any satisfaction in taking a man away from a dead chick.

OK, by the accounts on here David is one helluva hunk of a man, but he is not the only one on the planet, which she seems to have traveled a bunch.
And he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. So what makes this chick tick?
 

Thanks Urban. I thought he looked like he was about to kiss the "blond bloodsucker". I really Don't want to see him do that.

I also don't want to see luciana pretend night
After night that shes satisfied being with mig.
When shes clearly not. But, here we go, the
Great pretemce. What would a good tn be without it?
Im surprised brian came, but hes gonna run into lucy sooner or later, which is the witches
Plan. Looks like its gonna be sooner.

I can't stand that smirk on juans face. I want
To see it knocked off, one winter evening.And
That would be a good christmas gift.
I suppose I could he mad about fers smirky
Look at the sound of lucy's name, but shes a
Product of the vampire club members frazzle head & The lipsticked one.

Thanks Urban A.
 

Wow little bitch loves to give ultimatums. Nice thigh gap though.

Luci