Friday, February 10, 2017
Vino el Amor #72; Thursday February 9, 2017: Will Love Conquer All?
Lillian going full Pete Wilson on illegal immigrants, using racially-charged comments!
Gutierrez just does NOTHING!
I'm looking forward to seeing Karma biting them!
"so Marta has to take a hike"
Since Marta is unlucky in love she hates those that are.
I almost enjoyed Luciana smiling, chatting and kissing David until she mentioned she had a place she wanted to take David someday. Is it San Francisco, the same hotel Miguel selected, or the cellar floor and same blanket because so far I don't see any new ground?
Perla isn't the sweetest young woman but it makes me sick knowing Mark is going to hurt her. For a minute I thought Juan would go along with the pimp.
Puzzled, cause I thought Sonia was the comic relief designate but Marta and Susan offering relationship advise cracks me up.
Disgrace is losing it. Great to see Mr. Scarf getting real with her.Her flashback to the rocking of Lisa by the river shows that she is becoming unhinged. A cornered rat. It was disgusting watching Antiabueka built trip her granddaughter into going to bat for AuntieDisgraceful.
Dave's favorite color is neutrals. Why am I not surprised? I bet Miguel's favorite color is BRIGHT RED !
I like Fer/Tano. He's going to tame her inner brat.
I can't believe Luciana didn't change clothes for the first date. David always wears the same thing so I'm not sure if he did or didn't switch out vests.
I kind of sympathized a bit with Marta when I recapped her conversation Tuesday with Luciana, but yeah, after seeing how she went off on Fer, she's definitely projecting some leftover personal resentment from her youthful indiscretions on both Fer and Luciana.
Ohhh she kissed a boy? er..man Allllright
Ohhh she remembers WHACKING her sister in cold blooded murder? But her tears are for herself.
Ohhh the Jackals are beginning to squabble over the last scraps at a rotting carcass? WooHoo ! Whose PHONE?
Carita bolts and tells Perla she does not hang around with future convicts..
David sees the tip of the tip of the tip of the DisGracefull iceberg. Getting cold in here. !
Um, I just woke up, did they roll three months into one episode?
OT anybody signing up for Tom Brady autographs? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I changed my mind about him.
There is something really wrong here, I have no clue what. Her attitude with Luci and FerBrat, and her constant gluttony for Lillian's abuse. I do not even really pay attention to her any more.
OT: This show has taught me to have something more interesting going on in this time slot so that for more than half the show I can just look down at my whatever I am working on and ig-fing-nore them.
If there is not a huge anvil over your head, I dont care.
Gutless just stood there...Yeah that is about what I would have done. Like "Um, you girls have fun."
FINALLY! Some romance between the supposed Lead Couple! I enjoyed it even though "Luci" seemed uncomfortable with the required oral ministrations to hair-framed lips. I don't think the other kisses were close ups like these. Oh, well, it's a few droplets for us in this romantic drought that is this novela. Too bad there had to be DisGracie scenes but I guess I'm glad that the murder was replayed in all it's brutality. Nice wake up call upside the head for anyone thinking DisGracie is good for David. I agree she is becoming unhinged and I want to see more bonding between our lovers so they can fight the crazy together!
Imagine. An episode without Miguel. I know he's working hard but unbeknownst to him, Erica is working her way into HIS heart.
Thanks again, Cynthia!
Carito basically putting Perla on blast for being her bitchy self was probably the best thing about this episode (narrowly edging out Susan advising David not to simply want to crush Miguel in the upcoming wine contest, and oddly ahead of David and Luciana's rather low-key first date). And between that and Mark blatantly using Perla's old phone for his new scheme, it was refreshing to see that Perla's karma is basically completely in place and just needs a push.
What teeny tiny fragment of sympathy I had left for Gutierrez got stomped on by Lilian (while wearing that fugly post-apocalyptic-dystopia rug/jacket) when she couldn't help dragging Marta in public and he did absolutely nothing to stop or even distract her. If this were a better show, I'd say that probably hosed the idea that he's using Lilian to save his floundering campaign for sheriff, buuut...
And I'm with dy77 on Marta at this point: whatever good points she may have about David and Luciana possibly being a bad match are being buried under her increasingly strident insistences that no puede ser! for them and for Fernanda and Tano. (Though Fer is at least giving lip service to the whole "friends" thing, which actually helps her a little bit. Especially since Tano was literally trailing behind her and her friends like a confused babysitter earlier in this episode.) Girlfriend's got some pent-up frustration she needs to work through.
Oh, and for just a minute Joselo was almost free of the Succubus. For one glorious minute...and then she sucked him back in with crocodile tears. Reinforcing that Graciela is the most effective person in the entire show (sorry, Juan, but you're still #2).
For me, the best moment was Carito realizing that Perla is a bad influence.
I didn't detect a lot of sizzle in that kiss last night, but at least they won't have to worry about burning out too quick.
And P.S. I read Lila's thoughtful comment to you from last night. Sadly, this is a situation that is on the increase--children becoming their parents' caretakers. Having gone through the reverse myself--my mother suddenly dying of a heart attack and leaving me with my 93-year-old father with severe dementia, I agree with everything Lila said--they live in the here and now, they will live on with you into your future.
We do not really have any real contenders to whack Marta. If she and Lillian have been going at this since just after their teenage years it probably aint going to happen now. Gut doesn't hate her enough ...Yet, and your own children don't do it in TNs. I do not suspect she is bright enough to drive a car, so a red light runner is out, so I don't know how much hope we have, you know? I don't think I can remember anybody just looking in a mirror and annoying themselves to death.
I thought the funniest incident in the whole episode was the translation of Mark's statement about buying the land for the "oil" project, into the Spanish "petroleo." Obviously the translator has not been following the story.
Oh, the next funniest thing was seeing a painting on the wall behind DisGracie (ok, I've gotten on board with that moniker), of a figure (probably male) sitting in a grocery shopping cart with his legs hanging down over the edge.
Which reminds me, slightly OT--has anyone else noticed the painting of the nude with her back to us in Adolfo's office (which gets featured occasionally)? It came from LQNPA. I'm pretty sure it was in Rogelio's office. I'm also trying to figure out what that piece of sculpture is behind Adolfo's desk. It looks like a woman emerging from the carving, but has little stickers all over it. Anyway, it's weird.
Julie--Regarding that kiss between our leads, not only was there no sizzle, there was no build up (for me at any rate). They just went at it as if they hadn't had any mouth juice for months. I really don't care to watch those kinds of kisses up close. They almost seem like attack kisses. Why couldn't they pull the camera back so we could watch the body language between the two--how they hold each other, how they pull back and maybe kiss again. (Ok, you got me I'm about as incurable a romantic and Sonia.)
I still think Gut is gaming Lil, but how he just stood there and watched while Lil was humiliating Marta was pretty low. I agree, he should have walked away and told Lil he'd catch up with her later. He's off my radar screen for the rest of the run. Even if he rehabilitates himself, I hope Marta will never take him back.
Mark told the contact he was using a secure line because it was NOT his phone and if it is traced, it won't be traced to him. Poor Perla. She deserves a lot because of what she's been doing--bad choice in boyfriends, counting on money from shady dealings to get ahead and generally being bitchy and scheming--but not getting the whole blame for the illegal trafficking. I think the electronics deal is only one way. They bring illegals in and ship electronics back. Why Mark needs a good looking doll to sweeten the pot, though, is beyond me. I heard him say to Juan that her purpose is to get the contact to pay more for the merchandise. So, Perla is now going to be elevated to negotiator, or is Mark planning to use her as sex bait.
Fer loses her InnerBrat whenever she's with Tano. She is genuinely sweet with him. I was happy to see her try to make him feel ok with his unfinished education. I think that is the real Fer. The FerBrat we see is fueled by Lil and DisGracie. I want her to figure that out soon, before DG returns home.
Kirby and Bill C. I thought the same thing--Joselo had the upper hand, for a hot Madrid second, then the greasy rope just slid out of his hands.
Mark said having a pretty sexy girl on their team would soften or distract the Mexican customer and help him negotiate a better price.
I, too, thought that THE KISS was a little..meh. Perhaps Irina is not a fan of kissing men with beards and mustaches..which is an acquired taste.
This telenovela scores low in the romance scale.
Maybe Marked lied to Juan (surprise) about needing a good looking doll for a deal. I think he's lining Perla up for himself when he gets her away from Juan.
Tank probably has a higher emotional IQ than Far and her buds.College of Life, no?
I hope you're right about Tano getting FerBrat into a good person.
Kirby: Lillian & Graciela cooking up something sinister & maybe deadly in their plot to destroy Luciana. I wonder what does that mean ?
Anita: I do NOT feel sorry for Perla one bit. When she gets whacked, I get to say GOOD RIDDANCE :)
I am still trying to get the image of a fake fur Date Vest out of my mind.
Your superb dialog translations were greatly appreciated, "Tano says, “Yes I did go to a local high school and I even started community college, but I had to give it up to go to work” was one of many.
It is difficult to comment late in the day when others have mirrored and recorded thoughts so similar to my own.
I was happy seeing David and Luciana together, smiling at their conversation, where they began to forge their relationship. Surprisingly, they seemed earnest but there was no tension or yearning, and the kissing was earnest but rather devoid of emotion. Not at all what I expected.
"Fer loses her InnerBrat whenever she's with Tano. She is genuinely sweet with him". So true Anita! Once she is away from Graciela's evil influence, I look forward to her changing into the sweet young woman I am hoping she can become.
I wasn't able to watch this as carefully as I would have liked but there were more than a few disturbing scenes. tofie, Perla is not an angel but I totally agree that she does not deserve to be abused by Mark. Carito is right, Perla needs to extricate herself now. I believe Mark likely doesn't want Perla hurt but he is entrenched in his thirst for revenge against David and that seems uppermost in his mind. Protecting Perla is jut not high on his priority list.
Susanlynn, "Tank" and "Far" made me laugh. thank you!
Lilian is without heart or conscience so her rant was but another abusive tirade against Marta. Hardly a surprise. And Kirby, I keep coming back to your comment. Yes, why did Marta continue to stand there?? She should have held her head high and left. Brian disgusted me. While he showed a bit of humanity by turning away, how he kept quiet and did not rise to Marta's defense was well, indefensible.
Cynthia, thank you for all your work and insight!
Does anyone know what telenovela is following this one ?
Ahhh, I didn't realize Marta was waiting for Brian to defend her Kirby. It seemed any pride she had left her as she continued to stand there while Lili heaped word after word of verbal abuse on her. From what you noted Kirby, I'm inferring that if that is the case, Marta might actually have been considering forgiving him (?) Or perhaps, she at least expected he would come to aid. Can't blame her there. It's hard to reconcile this was the same man who fell to his knees in tears begging for forgiveness but a few days ago. I'm done with him.
Marta better get used to being with Ramon!
Marta's issue with Fernanda and Tano has some justification. She is still underage and Marta had raised her. David doesn't want FerBrat to get into a relationship she isn't mature enough for and one can hardly find fault with that.
Luciana, however, is an adult. I doubt she has much experience with men but she has no malice in her and neither does David.
Mark's theft of Perla's cell phone will unquestionably incriminate her when the law closes in. When Brian talked about the trafficking having begun again that's just as much a heads-up to the viewers that Perla is going down for the count. Carito didn't quite say this to her but when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.
I'll probably say more tomorrow morning; have to get ready to leave for the opera.
I am about as interested in seeing her in one of her old costumes as she should be in seeing me! YIKES
But the truth is, her acting was amazing. She was marvelous in Mask. And Silkwood. And of course, Moonstruck.
I loved the Mackie costumes. Still do. And while I am pleased she is healthy enough to continue performing, I am not tempted to attend. I'll be content with remembering her duets with Sonny, tossing her amazing jet black mane to full advantage.
Working on the recap, folks. Hold on tight.
Now I know Marta is a good mom, but I wish she'd turn it down a bit with the "it won't work cuz we from 2different classes". Her and Lucy are gonna butt heads Every Time this comes up about her and davy. It's gonna be bad enough fightin discrazy when she Returns. She's literaly gonna have to fight for her life cuz cra cra will most Likely try to rock her world like she Did her sister. It's good they'll support each other cuz aside from family and friends being against them They gotta worry about what Society says About mixin lower class with upper class. Finally good to see a decent kiss between these two. Ok good nite y'all. Gonna look forward to reading tonight's recap.
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