Friday, April 14, 2017
Vino el Amor #122-123 (Univision 114) Thursday, April 13, 2017: As the Stomach Turns
tales. Luciana should have stayed close to David in the first place. If you move just one little inch someone else will squeeze in and move you out. But oh well, this is a soap opera and there have to be all these ups and downs to make it good. Until the maybe so-called happy ending. Keep up the good work on the recaps.
Al: Luciana should just go move to San Antonio, TX or somewhere in getting away from the mess for awhile.
I'm looking forward to seeing the look on DIVA David's face when it's revealed that Graciela whacked Lisa.
Kimberly really looks different without red lacquer lips.
Irina does a good drunk but I knew that already when she did a party girl addict in PyP.
I feel sorry for Luciana. The circling descent wasn't a controlled landing but a death spiral.
Luciana, you dodged a bullet. I knew David was an idiot, but now Bobby is too with the way he's treating Marta. Basta with the whole family.
I am so hoping Juan tells David the truth about DisGrace, complete with whatever he's got on that phone.
My stomach turned when this tale took this turn, especially since poor little Bobby walked into the bedroom and saw them in bed together. At least this didn't defile the Lisa Shrine (which I suspect still has all the furniture in place).
Obviously nobody taught the kids that you don't enter a parent's bedroom without knocking. Even more obviously sleeping with the succubus is going to make the shock of her crime even greater when that hits. David needs a shrink now but he will need one even more when that happens.
And I now join the ranks who believe that Luciana should just cut her losses, update her resume, and leave. For David to fall into this trap makes him too stupid to breed anymore. The FerBrat is going away to college (maybe) and Bobby would have been happy with Luciana for a stepmother. He is smart enough to see that his father isn't happy. He's nowhere near as selfish and blind as his sister and doesn't want his father to be unhappy.
Fernanda says she believes her mother is at peace knowing that Grace is there with them.
These writers have managed to make me feel unsympathetic for Fer and Dumb-ass for being victims of the murderer of their mother and wife. Amazing. I can't WAIT for them to find out and when they do, I feel like I won't even feel sorry for Fer. Bien hecho, Graciaela, you are a master! Well, Fer is a selfish child and Dave is a numbskull so maybe you're not a master after all.
Marta got to say "I told you so" and the stretched-mouthed heffa had a chance to tell DUH-veed that this was all part of a master plan, including sending her supposedly beloved Bowbee off to boarding school but, nah, she'd rather be right so she let it happen.
Not to take DUD-veed off the hook: he wouldn't have listened to Marta anyway, he wanted that skank, probably since college days. He didn't flush DisGrace down the toilet even when Lisa was alive. There was a scene where Lisa was distraught about DG's open flirtation with DUMB-veed and he did nothing about it. Surely this encouraged psycho DG and we all know how that ended down by the muddy river. I RELISH the reveal. I want to see him crumble to the floor, prostrate with shock and grief. I'd much rather he choked DG to death in front of the children but he's too much of a wimp for that.
We know Luciana's position as well:
Luciana says that David needs to hear that she will always love him. “I don’t care if he’s in bed with someone else. He has to know that I still love him.”
I know Luci is one of the few that has DG's number but I don't think murder ever crossed her mind. How will SHE take the news? After shock I'm sure she'll be all solicitous tenderness with Dave. Not sure why she's so in love with him. For weeks he's been priming her to be the side piece.
Oh well, it IS a soap. Welcome Al! Thanks again, Cynthia!
I see now why Luci's hair has looked so dirty lately. She has had her head all the way up her ass.
She and DisGonarrhea have been battling for that ultimate prize of all time Disfunctional Brain Dave, and he has been mysteriously distancing himself from her as DisGonadeater moves in closer to David and declares open war on Luci to her face..
She is shocked that she lost the man prize contest too? Puleeeeze. If you didn't see that coming you are probably surprised e--very--fripping morning that the Sun comes up Dummy.
What was even more fun than David and his Sleepover was watching Big Mean Strong Arrogant Hateful NoJuan (NoActualNuts) whimpering like a hungry puppy when a couple customers canceled on him. Did it never occur to him that TWO might play that game? Although David's attack was hardly in the league with NoJuan's excavations of water pipes. Time for show and tell boys.
Succ-ubus looked funny without the war paint. I was a bit cornfuzed though. Where did all that Stop Sign paint go? Maybe in David's beard? He sure licked it off in a hurry. Maybe he ate it? When I have done that, the first time I came up for air I looked like I was in a chicken wing eating contest.
So there was MORE to that scene with David and Grace? *shudder* What I saw was enough. I, for one, am going to need a support group.
LOL the Cinderella chores!
What is so great about cafe de olla? I've tried making it and it never tastes right. Is there a trick to it? Or is it an acquired taste?
Grace said that impulsivity is what got her to where she is now. I imagine that impulsivity will also get her to where she ends up.
Juan was very Jokery last night. He's starting to really lose it.
"He tells Susan that Luciana is furious with him because he’s now with DisGrace." Well, that's only part of the reason she's furious. He never did ask her what she wanted to tell him.
I was a little surprised when Gut came to Adolfo, but Gut has consistently put his sheriff responsibilities ahead of his personal concerns... which is why I was so confused when he detained Ramon. The writers really screwed that up.
"I hope they took a cab or Uber as they were pretty drunk." I wondered how they got home, too. We never see anyone in a car, ever.
So Luci's going to drunkenly confess her love. Right. No way can that go wrong!
Graciela pulled off the biggest & successful scheme ever! I've got to hand it to her, she was consistent.
Luciana: Time for you to PACK YOUR BAGS & move back to Mexico!
Julie, I do hope Sonia prevents her from doing that. She needs to be kept away from David until she sobers up. Luciana losing her dignity would be painful to watch.
Grace said that impulsivity is what got her to where she is now. I imagine that impulsivity will also get her to where she ends up. That's for sure.
Lila, yes he did. Total disrespect toward the mother of his children. In retrospect Lisa was a fool and David's groupie killed her. At least in death Lisa's suffering ended.
When David finds out he needs to keep his mouth shut, protect the kids and live with his choice.
UA: Speaking of Luciana, you want to bet she sleeps with Miguel to get revenge ?
When is someone going to point out to David that he doesn't look happy? He kept describing the relationship as "giving myself a chance with Grace." Marta sounded more enthusiastic about Ramon.
"I see now why Luci's hair has looked so dirty lately. She has had her head all the way up her ass." Shame on you, Kirby. You made me choke on my coffee.
I wondered what happened to Grace's lipstick, too. It obviously doesn't come off easily, but now it's all gone without a trace. Maybe it isn't lipstick. Maybe the color in her lips fades after she feeds.
Yah, DG DID declare war in Luci's face and Lil outlined the whole plan to Marta's hearing. If Marta had not been against Luci and DUD-veed being together, the two of them coulda nixed this whole thing from "go." But Marta doesn't really know Luci and she's incapable of listening to her and only sees herself and FERNAAAAHNDO in EVERY situation. I've heard her call his name more than Marcos.
But no, Luci and Marta couldn't stopped that train...DUD was a-hankerin' for DG and he knows it. And Luci, girl, I told you to leave. It's sad that you roundly lost to DisGrateful and the only reason you're going to get him back is because she murdered his wife and will end up dead (probably self-inflicted) or in jail.
If the writers pulled a surprise switcheroo and Luci ended up with Miguel (because we KNOW they have to pair people off), I wouldn't even be upset.
The only thing that finally got Marta's attention is she is now in exile without access to her children. No problem telling Luciana to stay away from David or suffer Graciela's attacks but make her scrub a few floors and stop a sammich delivery she's a martyr.
Maybe David would have listened to Marta and maybe he wouldn't, but we'll never know because Marta didn't even try. If she tells him, there's maybe a 5% chance he hears her, and a slightly higher chance that he thinks about it later after it sinks in. But if she doesn't tell him, there's a 0% chance he hears her. So... play the odds, Marta.
I'm not blaming Boby for accepting the relationship. Grace has behaved very well with him lately, as far as he knows. And he apparently understands that he doesn't get to pick his father's girlfriends (even though David basically invited him to nix the relationship), so he probably wouldn't protest even if he disapproved. But he did keep asking David if he was happy, which shows that Boby is still smarter than his father!
That's right! OMG! I hope they don't, but they will probably go there and DG's firey red lips will be skint back in the biggest grin as she berates Luci in front of a dopey stone-faced DOH-veed!
When David finds out he needs to keep his mouth shut, protect the kids and live with his choice. --Tofie
Hey, that's even righter! He SHOULD try to shield his kids! I hadn't thought of that but I don't think that will happen. Jeezopete, if Luci decides to stay, she's going to not only have to pull Brain-DEAD-veed out of tremendous funk of shock, guilt and depression, the kids psyches are going to be pretty much jacked up, too!
Just don't hire Dr. Evil Martin Mull Anderson! OK, comments are popping, this is fun but I got to go do stuff and use this as a reward!
Cynthia--I don't know if I can bear to read the recap, but for you, I will. Until later, Peeps. Have a lot of reading to do. (Enjoyed Paris/Seine trip with my daughter thoroughly, but glad to be back home.)
I am having biscuits this weekend. Oh yes I am.
This is going to be Luci's family.
OT Found a pic of DisGrace without makeup
use every trick,
follow every impulse
until you win his...heart!
(Hey, it was either that or "[BLEEP] the rainbow." And you have my sympathies, Cynthia.)
Ahead of anything else, it needs to be said: Kimberly Dos Ramos and Gabriel Soto were far more into David and Graciela's slightly tipsy boink (edited as it was, AIUI--as dy77 put it last night, the real villains in this show are Univision's bloody editors) than we've ever seen from GS and Irina Baeva. That bizarre realization somehow tempered the impact of this bit of mindblowing forkery...perhaps thankfully, because (deep breath)
HOW IN THE FORKING NAME OF MARCOS THE HOLY DO YOU WALK DAVID BACK FROM THIS?!?
We're in the twilight of the show. The chief protagonist, who has inadvertently been shown to sort of fumble through his personal life (which hits a little close to home because I've been a fumbler, if nowhere near this level), and who had previously declared his undying love for the other protagonist, started dating the one woman the other protagonist kind of hates on the DL in the name of "what's best for my family" and finally boinked her. And it's after this that he finally manned up enough to tell his true, theo-forking-retically, love that he's dating said other woman and urges her to "understand" him.
Luciana's response was actually surprisingly restrained, IMHO. She would have been in her right to smack the taste out of David's mouth merely for her being the last to know about the "dating," let alone the other crap. This is where she should be running the other way at full speed to Vinedo Santa Barbara, or just to a hotel room in Sonoma to get her head together while burning a David effigy...hell, this should have occurred about thirty episodes before it did so everything else makes even the faintest sense. But no, this shirt gets busted out nineteen episodes (8-9 in Univision time?) before the end of the show. On one level I get the apparent idea--Luciana has to be the one who saves David, somehow, from the evil temptress who's been manipulating him almost literally for the entire show, so she can finally be with her true love. The problem is that I don't trust the show to get the execution right--not in the time we have left--since at this point we have to get through
1. Graciela being revealed as Lisa's murderer.
2. Graciela's general manipulation of, well, everybody except Lilian.
3. Lilian's involvement with Juan's embezzlement from the vineyard and Magic Brian deporting Marcos and Luciana (maybe more so the former at this point, I don't even know any more).
4. Juan's karma payback for the plague, Watergate, the embezzlement, and migrant trafficking.
5. Whatever the fork happens with Miguel and Adolfo over at VSB.
6. Whatever the smaller fork happens with Magic Brian.
7. The theoretical happy endings for Marta and Ramon, Cesar and Susan, maybe Ferzilla and Poodle Hair, and Best Couple Sonia and Leon.
If the show went full-on El Talisman and we got Juan going down in a shootout with the police while rocking THE HAIR (and you Patio gals remember that, right?), that might salvage some of this. Maybe. It's still a shame, though, that I'm not looking forward to any of the happy endings save Best Couple. More and more I'm just here to see how the villains check out in the end.
Erythromycin or old faithful penicillin
But wait a minute--Adolfo says let Erika rest in peace? Is she 6ft under, as the inhaler predicted for us? Inquiring minds need to know, because Miguel and Adolfo are behaving so normally. Is she gone and forgotten already? When was the funeral? I have a lot to catch up on, I see.
And seriously, really, do you want to be with a dolt, Luci? This man has spent a lot of time in the gym or gulping pills, but he has not shown himself to be worth a nickel at anything else. DisGrace's 'Morning After' glow is even suspect, it reminded me more of a hyena napping after a kill.
David is an idiot tourist wanting that perfect selfie and steps in front of a bus.
Wow! Bill at 10:05. Ima haf to save that for lunch! Yowzer! Great discussion, compliments of DisGrazin'inDavid'sgrass!
Can't they just dribble it out over a little more time? They have plenty of punishment to go around, just look at your list.
Actually, if the series were to run long enough for that she would hear about Luciana from DisGrace or Lillian on Skype and come back to enroll in a local university to stick around and break up that relationship. Stupid little vitch.
I'm going to rouse myself from the hangover shock and disgust of last night to make a few coherent comments.
"[I am glad Univision seems to have shortened this stomach turning event and did not subject us to the whole sordid thing shown on Mexican television.]" Yes, but the image of David and Graciela grappling is unfortunately seared on my brain.
Luci had a free fall from the high wire, yet the safety net, her family, was no where to be seen. “Bobby tells them these are the best times of his life” and “León says that it (Grace stealing her ideas) would never have happened if Lu were around and not helping Miguel”..
I was hoping that Marta would have given David a piece of her mind when she found out David was sleeping with Graciela but a simple stare was all she mustered?
Luci is achingly alone. Even Susan seemed to scold her for spending so much time at Adolfo's.
Way too many exceptional comments this morning to list them all but Lila, your "For weeks he's been priming her to be the side piece", Bill's "Luciana's response was actually surprisingly restrained" and Urban's poignant "And I now join the ranks who believe that Luciana should just cut her losses, update her resume, and leave" all struck a chord with me.
Anita, welcome back amiga. I'm sorry you returned to such an unholy, unsavory mess.
Nothing that could possibly transpire will ever make me believe or accept Luci and David's reconciliation. It is just too late.
Except for Sonia, Ramon, Adolfo and Miguel (and of course Luci), just about everyone else is out of my favor and good graces.
Cynthia, this was wonderful. thank you.
Anita, welcome back! You pinpointed what was bugging me deep down but couldn't get out. David was in no way confident about moving forward with DisGrace, but makes like he's all in with his family for appearance's sake. Let him stay with DisGrace for the next 50 years to keep up appearances, while Fer is off somewhere living her life with Tano and Bobby is out of state on a soccer team.
Wouldn't be enough Lysol for him to wash his ass in for me to take him back!
Welcome home, Anita! It's been maddening around here! Some of us (sheepish grin) have gotten down-right potty-mouthed, rude, and been talking under David's clothes we're so mad!
Things I liked in last night's episode: Luciana when she's drunk and spunky, Grace's green dress.
That's about it.
David is a moron and at this point I don't know why either lady obsesses over him.
He is, however, very foolish to not take account of the damage he will do to himself with this decision.
And if he suggested something like that to Luci, I think she'd sock him.
Only thing that would stop Luci from being a side chick is Grace would kill her ass.
First, thanks so much , Cynthia, for biting the bullet, girding your loins and recapping that traumatic episode. You are a strong woman.
Second... I fell asleep last night after a long, busy day of work and family, and God must be punishing me for something because I woke up when Dave and Grace were standing facing each other in the bedroom. Now, let me describe the scene as one who does not understand much dialogue. Okay, there was Dave looking like someone had just driven over his dog or he was getting ready for riot canal. Then, he suddenly lunged at Grace who in contrast was beaming with expectation and victory... squeeeeee , and the next thing I saw was them horizontal....and then..THAT happened. Did anyone time it? Two minutes for TheBigEvent. Ugh. I got a stomachache. Then, Bobby opened the door because...Dave. Dumb as a rock did not think to lock the door before the unholy alliance. Although, truth to tell, probably every parent forgets to lock the door...once. Then, you remember ..lesson learned. I, too, noticed that after that wicked quickie, Grace was devoid of makeup. How? Maybe in the deleted scenes ...well, some kind of makeup removing something happened.
Dave, I hate you...so much. Not only should Luci run for the hills, no woman should ever be with him again...not even cards or a movie..it should be over for him. As a side note, I think those bits and pieces that many have been mentioningbhere just might have evaporated. I think Grace could do that. #ihopeso.
Lucy.I hope she goes in there and wakes him and succubus up with aspeech
And then turn around turn off the lite
Walks out and close the door. Shes fun
When she's drunk.
Poor little bobee. He thinks his life is the best ever now. He'll wake up outta That twight zone. Soon.
Did y'all see fer's face.Shes not that that happy. And everytime David gets
Near kissing distance of the succubus
He looks like he's fighting diarrhea.
I hope he took a good shower the next
Morning. Poor stupid man that he is.
David comes into Susan's office with
That"I stepped in some sh*t just now &
I need you to help me clean it off" look.And he know he stepped in it too.
I'm kinda surprised they didn't play the baby Card with lucy, ya know,after the nite of Passion they had. I hope they don't do that with the ghost in red lipstick.
She don't need to be nobody's moma.Im
Sure Lucy won't mind raising that baby
With dud-veed after gracie's demise.
Tano, bless his blind heart,"maybe she
(Grace) had good intentions". He can't
Help it.He don't have none of his dads
I would like to see Lucy and Marta leave. They're not happy there. And so
David can get a good asskickin,and the
Blinders can come off. Then he can see
All the craziness that's been fall In down On him for the pass 24+ years. Stupid Blind vineyard man.
Lil is just plain evil. She'll get her
Anvils. And they are many.
Juan is looking pretty crazy.I wouldnt
Be to surprised if she got killed because of Her stubborn ignorance where this man Is concerned.I wouldn't be surprised if he offed himself like his father did as he was probably crazy too. Look How Juan is acting, that probably also happened before his dad off himself.
This is fixin to get ubber ugly.
Thank you Cynthia. You hit it girl.
Yes, BillC. El Tal's CrayCray Tony, at least, went out in a blaze of glory. But wasn't Pedro Ibarra a lot like our David? Dud-in-the-Head? I remember Rafael Novoa's "Thank God this is Over" look of relief at the very end? Everybody on the Patio noticed it. (That and the green tongue.)
We should make lists of the best worst telenovelas we've seen to share. El Tal and VEA are now at the top of my list for dribble and drabble.
TAL*MART Grand Finale Sale. No Refunds. All Sales Are, Por Fin, Wait For It, Final
Clothing and T-Shirt Department
For Mike ONLY—Special order tee that says, “I can’t believe I watched the first 1/4.”
New tee with “I can't believe I watched the whole thing!” (or summer porch banner)
New tee with “I'm SO glad it is over!" (also as a coffee mug, heck, make it a banner)
New tee with “I didn’t watch the whole thing, but enjoyed the recaps”
New tee with “They killed Renato! You bastards”
New tee with “Rafa can't possibly be as happy as WE are”
New tee with “Who’s Your Daddy?” (also mugs, ball point pens, and tote bags)
New tee with “POR FIN”
New tee with “The Few - The Slightly Abashed - The Talismaniacs! All for one and one for Alternate Fresno,” designed by Blue Lass
New tee with “The Few, The Proud – The Mighty Bashed, The Slightly Abashed - The Talismaniacs,” modified design by Anita
Cropped leather jacket (à la Lucrazy) with "Talismaniacs Raisin Hell" embroidered on the back
CHANGE THE NAMES AND THEY'LL DO PERFECTLY WELL FOR VEA.
Regarding the birds and bees talk that Disappointing Dave gave nine going on four year old Booby, here's what Dumbbunny actually should have told Bob. "When two people really love each other...or when when one person is a she conniving, desperate, immoral shedevil 😈and the other is a stupid, easily led manchild🐀 ..they sometimes end up in bed together. It happens."
Anita...Erica's wake was actually held in the MPR which henceforth will be known as the office\bedroom\living room\funeral parlor or the Erica Memorial MPR.
Also, Anita..I have always dreamed of going to two places.. Hawaii and France. Now, I am a little afraid to go to France , and I hate flying! Hope your trip was wonderful. My older daughter got engaged in Paris.
However, since she wants to get pregnant as much as anyone else wants a case of anthrax I say that if this were to happen -- and there are just enough episodes left to devote a handful to this -- she would probably get an abortion without telling anyone.
More likely she has a Nuvo-ring or something like it that she doesn't have to pay attention to until it needs replacement. Get pregnant and ruin her figure? I can't see her doing that.
I also can't see Lillian being happy about it, either. If she and DisGrace can't wait to ship Bobby off to a boarding school on the other side of the planet I can't see her welcoming a screaming infant into the household. She also knows on some level that DisGrace would be an even worse mother than she was.
On the other hand, she already has Lisa's kids to use on David.
She needs insurance. First, should David to come to his senses and threaten to leave her. And second, to curtail David's wrath should he ever discover her role in Lisa's death.
P.s.IB is a good drunk , but she has to be the worst crier ever.
Gracie has adopted a style of dress that all the news, weather, and traffic women wear on TV...tight, sleeveless, solidcolored dresses. It seems to have become a thing here.
Not that that couldn't be serious, but I thought she looked dizzy or faint and might have something more dire. Dire enough to render the question of nannyhood moot.
Maybe it's Gracie's housewife\June Cleaver look.
They are very nondescript, as though to assure I am NOT looking at the Bunny.
Spanish weather girls are NOT INCLUDED in this discussion. Woof Woof.
There was a particular dress that someone posted to an online forum for TV meteorologists that became very popular - like every woman in the country bought one. It was inexpensive and available on Amazon.
Wow, took two seconds to find on Google - that's how popular it was:
Does any know how many episodes are left?
I am looking forward to tonight... I think. I hope Luci doesn't do anything stupid.
Anita: I'm pretty sure the El Tal*Mart would sell out of "POR FIN!" T-shirts in about two seconds in Sonoma (which is probably a ten-minute drive from Alternate Fresno, to be fair). What we probably need here, though, is a "Sonoma Doomsday Anti-Preppers Society (We Just Watch Everything Go To Hell)" T-shirt...
As for Bobby coming through the door that way, did anyone ever think to LOCK THE DOOR? I agree Urban, kids shouldn't be able to come into a parent's bedroom and barge in like that. Apparently he never taught Bobby to knock at the door either.
Julie, I caught my spelling error because of your comment about cafe de olla. I was just typing phonetically and didn't check to see if I spelled correctly, so thank you. I've never had cafe de olla myself but a lot of people I know seem to like it.
I agree with a lot of your comments. I've had it with David too. I don't know how a man can be so dumb with no common sense. So why would Luciana want him anyway? She can do much better than David for sure!
As for your "spelling error" - I didn't even notice it. You typed it phonetically and I read it phonetically! They've mentioned cafe de olla before, so it was already in my head.
If it were me, I'd pick out a new room to share with David, if another room is available. He can keep his bachelor digs, and we can seal off the Lisa shrine or whatever. But it's not me - it's Grace. Grace wants what was Lisa's, so I'm guessing she'll be wanting that room as well as any clothes, jewelry, books, uneaten chocolate, tchotchkes, etc. that haven't already been donated.
I am only 11 minutes into the Mexican version so far, which is 5 minutes into the Uni version. The first 20 minutes or so usually take me the longest, though.
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