Caray, Caray!

Thanks Sandie

Miriam is such a detestable witch. How low can she sink to piss Raquel off mighty good before she retaliates?

Journalists are often portrayed as parasites& tabloid but their bosses and executives are worse. Any bad news is a magnet for these worms. I hated when Laura started to touch Caro's personal stuff. Eitherway why is this story so magnetic? It should belong in the tabloids not in main news. Has journalism fallen so low?

I LOLED when Andres said: I'm not the main bad of the story. I'm just an imbecile!" . Yeah right. I think the reason Andres wants those tapes with Lola&Patricia is to set her up as a suspect.

Raquel just letting those lovers boink in that house was disgusting. I would start to get pretty suspicious of Dam.


 

tabloid pushers*
 

Countx: If you had to guess, who do you think are the likely suspects to have wanted Carolina whacked ?
 

Well my first bet would be Andres or Miriam. Or Santiago who could have found out about the affair . We see him in the first episode paying someone of for silence.
 

Murder/attempted murder of Carolina and Damian

Suspects:

Santiago

Raquel

Damian (Viewerville knows he's not a suspect)

Andres

Miriam

Laura

Cinthia

Vicente

Unknown Suspect

I think the Miami trip is key. Were Dam & Caro really going to Miami for 2 days? Or did someone want people to think they were running off to Miami and planted the tickets in the car? Seems like most of the 2 days would've been taken up with flying/sitting around the airport waiting for the flight. Did Caro even have a passport?

 

Well the ones with strongest motive would be Raquel/Santiago. Andres would benefit most from it . Some massive rage is required to shoot someone twice or it was just made to look like a crime of passion.

Another theory: What if Caro committed suicide in disgrace, as a cowardly way out? But then again why would someone shoot himself twice in the heart when a head-shot is enough?
 

Sandie--I really enjoyed reading your recap. You brought back every scene in all its perfect horridness, with grace and humor. Quite a feat. Gracias.

Countx--You always have interesting theories. In this case, I don't think Caro would have committed suicide, but physically she could have. As I recall, one of the bullets was to her heart and the other to her lung. She could have been trying for the heart and got the lung first and didn't die. Then she tried again, successfully.

But we have to ask ourselves, what was she doing with a GUN out in the woods, fleeing from the accident, for which there is right now no other explanation. Was the woman we saw running Carolina or was it the substitute/prostitute running away from her captors.

In either scenario, someone may have pulled her out of the car and dragged her to the river OR, if she's the one running away, was chasing her. Maybe he/she had the gun. Also, I don't think she would have committed suicide if she thought Dam was still alive. I'd assume she checked when she came to.

Another question--were they really on a lonely road, or was that just for filming purposes. The car tumbled off the highway and into a ravine. WHO called the EMT and the police? Otherwise, it might have been days before anyone found the accident site. Raq was called as soon as Dam was found. We aren't sure of the time lapse, but it wasn't long enough for Raquel to get worried about his absence. (Well, we did see her crying and looking at a photo in the opening episode--so she may have known Dam left her.) Santi learned at the accident site that a woman was with him, but disappeared. Didn't he learn from Tonio at the station that the personal effects belonged to a Carolina Rivas? Did he know her? Santi says, yes, it's my wife.(Hmmm. If he and Tonio were friends through Santi's father, he should have known what Santi's wife's name was---Diana, could I be overthinking this? Ha.)

Anon207--I hate to do it, but Fernando Godoy ought to go on your list of suspects. He's been acting very strange from the very beginning. Still waters run deep. Another red herring, but I won't be surprised if he knew Carolina or known of her.

And how about Mike? Maybe there's going to be more on his "mistaking" Raq for Caro when she went to meet him and used all those inappropriate sobriquets. Raq should think again why Andres walked in just then. We know Andres expected to see Caro with Mike and was going to put her in a compromising situation to later expose her.
 

Oh, and there was no gun recovered at the accident site. They determined the type of gun from the caliber of the bullets. Gee, where is Kirby when we need him.
 

Gracias, Sandi.

I hate Miriam more and more with each episode. There is no TN villain more despicable than a possessive, controlling mother who can't let her son be an adult and have his own choices in life. It seems that Damian's only value to her was to rescue his father's business.

Her threat to leave Raquel with nothing also shows that she doesn't give a flying damn about her grandchildren, who are apparently still minors or at least not yet ready to spread their own wings and fly. They're not yet in college and leaving Raquel with nothing either means Miriam means for the grandchildren to end up in the trash or under her control. Either way the children lose.

That doctor should share information only with Raquel.

Laura is a vulture and her boss is worse. What the hell has happened to journalism that used to be "just the facts"? Edward R. Murrow would have fits on top of fits.

Why didn't Lola ever report Juan? Six years difference is too much even if they were three years older than they are. Not to mention that him pursuing her would still be an ethics violation if this were college instead of high school.

That Miguel and Andres would be the first clients is not good. I am imagining the event they are having catered and that could make Raquel and Carolina unknowing accomplices in something that's not only illegal but sordid and disgusting.

I doubt that Carolina committed suicide. Where would she have gotten a gun? It's also not that easy to shoot oneself in the chest like that and shouldn't the medical examiner have said something about the possible distance between the gun and the wound?

Andres was determined to compromise Carolina in one way or another to get back at both Damian and Lola. He's still my #1 suspect.
 

I always wonder how they film those accidents . Were they using CGI to flip the car over or some special pillows/soft ground?
 

My bet is that the actors first sat in the car, flipped the brakes and stopped the car. Later they fill the car with dummies and flip it over. After that they put the actors back in the car to pretend they're injured.
 

Thanks Sandie!

I'm glad Raquel agreed to getting the DNA test done. She is Damian's wife and can make any decision she deems appropriate. There's no guarantee he will wake up and she will also have the right to make the decision to pull the plug if it gets to that. She's certainly capable of playing dirty against Miriam.

At this point Andres is public enemy No. 1. I don't yet see any other clues that Santi and/or Raq did it for revenge. They are both angry but they are not yet acting cold blooded. I'm sure someone finds out about the affair before Santi and Raq do and Andres seems like the likely one. Guess we'll find out eventually.

I don't like what Andres is doing with Miguel. Lola is surrounded by crazy people.
 

Why would Andy take it so far to kill/murder Damian&Caro? Wouldn't it be enough to just send someone to stalk them , obtain compromising photographs and show them to Raquel?
 

Countx--You and I are overthinking this.....we should wait and see (but I can't help speculating either)!
 

Thanks Sandie! I'm going out on a limb to say that the baby isn't Santi's or Damian's.
 

Carvivlie-You aren't alone. I hope that limb is strong enough.

This is just the sort of twist GG might throw at us. We have no idea what Caro was up to between her giving in to an affair, through Benji's conception and birth, and this latest pregnancy. Can't wait to find out.
 

Andres was playing funny with the company money. If Damian had receipts on that he could've gone to Miriam and had Andres tossed out of the company and in jail.

With Damian (and Raquel) out of the way and Miriam clueless about running the business, Andres could've raided the company for all it's worth and skipped away when the business folded.
 

Sandie, this was excellent. Loved your important conversation translations. Your wit was sprinkled liberally throughout. “I am a bad liar” she says (no not really you are a darn good liar)" was great!

“that is why I want this weekend, and if after the weekend you don’t want to continue with me I will leave you alone” “I will try” “you will make me the happiest man on earth”. The more we see (and hear) Damian, the less I like him. I'm starting to wonder if Caro wasn't so much an obsession, but was simply a challenge, something he'd conjured up for his own amusement.

Anita, there is so much to process and ponder here, I am overthinking everything myself. I have to be honest. I have absolutely no idea who murdered Caro and caused the accident (I'm assuming both are the same, but who the heck knows??) Count, I think Santi is just a bit too obvious. While I believe Andres is disgusting, I think he is also a coward. Would he have the guts to track down a defenseless woman and shoot her? I mean he'd have no problem with kidnapping, sexual abuse and other hideous violent acts but did he have the nerve to hunt down his prey?

Anon207, thank you for the list of suspects.

I think Santiago is the father of the unborn baby, although Damian is a distinct possibility. I will be surprised if someone else is the father (although Fernando might be a slight possibility as he seems to have a personal unexplained interest in the case).

I think Lola is brave. Whether toting her baby brother around effortlessly or seeing and correctly summarizing so much, she is one of the most intriguing characters.

Why did Damian ask Caro for 2 days in the car. What was going to happen after the 2 days? Did he think he would make her so besotted she would agree to leave her family? Was he ready to do the same?

Urban, you are exactly right in that the only person the physician should be talking to is Raq. I wonder if she could bar Miriam from visiting?

TF, thank you for reminding us that in should Damian continue to linger in a coma, Raquel would have the power of continuing his life or ending it. Would it give her any satisfaction to do so knowing that she would get the ultimate revenge on both her cheating husband and abusive MIL?

I had to laugh. Damian and Caro can't seem to even get in the same room before either Raq or Santi are right there. They should have taken the hint.

Thanks Sandie. This was great.

Diana
 

Thank you all for all of the great comments.
Anita and Carvivlie. I agree about the twist GG might throw us. I don't think Carol would have cheated on Damian. But Andres may have possibly raped Carol. Just a possibility since he is such a low life.
 

Thanks, Sandie. Riveting recap.

Santi says my passion for my wife is perfectly find trust me

She encourages Santi to go there to show his support, but change and get cleaned up to look better, since you have to compete with Damian, at this Santi says please repeat what you said well what I mean is that he always looks impeccable.

Poor Santi. He's not perfect, stifling Carolina all those years, but still I like him. He loves his kids and his wife. Too bad he didn't see he needed to up his game and start wooing Carolina. But Raquel and Lola sure did.

Do we know for sure that little Benji is Carolina's? Could he be Lola's?
 

If Benji was Lola's, Santiago would be referring to his hijos & nieto but he's always referred to all three as his children or hermanos.

I think Andres would be the one in ICU if he had raped Caro.


 

Wasn't Caro 8 months pregnant? If so she could have pretended that the child was Benji to cover Lola's secret pregnancy. Lola would have to dissapear ( Goes to her supposed school trip)'while Caro plays out her pregnancy for some time . Caro later dissapears where Lola gives birth and swaps the babies.They both rest for a few weeks and return back.
 

Countx - Caro was 8 WEEKS pregnant at the time of her death. Benji was already 2 or so years old. The way Santi was in one scene cradling his son, and I believe has referred to him as his son, I don't think he's Lola's illegitimate child. What we don't know yet, is the real paternity of Benji.
 

Ah okay. I always keep confusing months and weeks for some reason in Spanish. 'semana' means a week while 'mes' means a month...
 

Niecie: I'm also starting to have the same suspicion that neither Damian or Santiago are the Baby Daddy of Carolina's baby.
 

Steve - I'm pretty sure the baby is either Damian's or Santiago's. I can't see Carolina being unfaithful to both of them. If Andres tried to be his scummy hands on her, hopefully she told Damian and shut him down.


 

...tried to put his scummy hands
 

Sandie:
I am late to this but thanks and ITA that Carolina is great at lying. Probably better in the end than any of us can guess. I say yay to DNA! I cannot believe it will be that easy, though.


 

Here is a quote to share that I happened to pluck--as I read it--from one of the books in the Outlander series that could apply as easily to Damian:

"Ye must beguile someone before ye can betray them, no? And I'm inclined to think that a man who would betray is all the quicker to resent betrayal itself."

Beguiled are both Raquel and Carolina. Betrayed is Raquel. Although I wonder if the rest of the quote will come about. Damian certainly didn't seem to feel any guilt in the few minutes before the accident, but maybe resentful of Raquel and Santi BECAUSE he betrayed them.
 

...OTOH, some men are experts at compartmentalizing. I guess that applies to women as well. Carolina can also be substituted for Damian in the above illustration, no? She has beguiled Raquel, Santi AND Damian; betrayed all the aforementioned and herself. Add those to all the children, too.
 

If the baby was Santiago's, that will be that and no one will wonder about Benjamin.

If the baby was Damian's or someone else's, will anyone think that Benjamin is not Santiago's and have him tested? If I were Santiago, I would have ALL the kids tested. Who's to say Damian was Caro's first and only dalliance?
 

Alert: Due to some playback issues and a major business phone interruption tonight's will be a week bit late.
 

Excuse the typo: A wee bit late.
 

Thank you Sandie,good recap, miserable
Episode.
O these people are a gigantic mess. I
Wont be surprised if that baby isn't
damian's. Or Santi's.Miriam is a mess.
I don't know who's worst, hortensia or
Her.Both them moms from middle earth.

So tonight the mystery continues. Who
The baby daddy? Stay tuned.