Caray, Caray!

José, José

Don't know if anybody has posted this before, but I found a YouTube video of José José's "debut" performance of El Triste at the Mar. 25, 1970 Latin Song Festival. It's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKhuZGk5qZ8
 

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Spanish Student, in case you missed earlier post, when Wilmer was lurking around Rob checked the recordings, and it's all the same system, so they must be, hope they still have the time Rob dragged Wilmer out of his trunk and into the kitchen for a heart to heart.

 

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Deb, that's exactly what I was thinking. Those camera recordings could put him away for life.

Spanish Student
 

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Aurora is taken to the police station where she gives a long teary eyed statement to Susan, she did mention the therapist, but in the end she has no proof, Susan has the same doctor that checked out Roberto look at her, not so much as a bruise.

worse, we catch a flashback of Sara's testimony, she is feeding back what Roberto has told her, and we also saw a flashback of Aurora trying to get Sara's attention, but Sara ignored her.

ok, Aurora wants a face-to-face with Rob, but what happens will be recorded, Rob is calm, wants to drop the charges, Aurora goes ape.

Susan decides to keep Aurora in custody till the trial.

Sofi demands to know what is happening with Leo, he tells her he has always been a woman, QUE?, Sofi takes it hard and kicks him out.

it was Mike that interrupted Paco and Paloma, they act normal, Paloma gets the call on Aurora and leaves, Mike knew what they were doing, wtf? he rips on Paco but sweet bubbly Natalia arrives and takes them to lunch where she fawns over Paco.

Cris being Cris goes to get the baby from Juanjo and Sere, the usual, with the women keeping them from fighting.

Paloma tells off Cris.
Aurora tells off Meche, and the baby is loving everything today.

Luis rips on Anita for telling Rob, you are hurting the people I love, tearfully she asks for forgiveness, and a kiss, Luis' lips are now red.

Susan and Ernesto are leaning towards Aurora's side, she has Rob brought in, gives him Wilmer's friends statement and leans on him, wow, he goes into full twitch mode, but wait she has nothing, he bounces back with how he got Dolores' job back with better pay, (her kids might want to leave town because Rob is a get even kind of guy)

Juanjo won't sit still, he and Sere go to Rob's house, but are headed off by Sara, Paloma is a dear to watch, she doesn't take crap from anyone, and inside, what? no CSI in Napa, no one has been to the crime scene? wow, Juanjo and Sere are filling up a sack with tiny cameras on the dinning room table, like a bowl full of jelly beans, but Rob who broke down crying in front of Cris, gets to stay at their house and is alerted by Sara with her bra phone, he calls Susan, and the knock on the door is Earnesto, breaking and entering, no, do you expect Aurora to show up in court in her pajamas, they show him the cameras, ok, get her things and what rooms haven't you searched, and Earnesto goes looking, (will he take the computer too) because Rob is on the way, and he has the baby.

SMASH!, love how the glass breaks every night at the end of the show.

(ok, my solution, the guy in the red shirt at the convenience store that Rob beat down, and he keeps popping up)

 

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Thanks, deb, for the recap. Susan and Ernesto only deal with what's in front of them at any given time. Looks like someone from Rob's underground crew or someone he crossed (gas station guy) will have to spill the beans. As someone said before - Rob's not that bright, so he couldn't have thought of everything. Where is the darn tablet? I just hope he doesn't find it first. Oh yeah, maybe that gay wine exec could retract his story to Aurora.

Spanish Student
 

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HALIMACANDY: The law enforcement authorities have no luck catching the psychopath yet ?
 

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Wow, deb, muchísimas gracias for your superb recap! I've got very little to add. I might just note that Mike criticized Paco's relationship with Paloma not just on personal grounds but also because it threatened the company's reputation and prestige. He says that the best way to handle this is to remove the constant temptation that Paco feels--they should fire Paloma. (It's right as he's saying this that Natalia arrives, and I think she even asks "who's being fired?" No one answers that question.)

I was very pleased that Luis lit into Anita for telling Rob about Aurora's working with Juanjo and Serena. He accused Anita (quite rightly) of being irresponsible and a liar. I think he even said something about not wanting to see her. But two minutes later, she has apologized and they kiss and make up. Yuck!

Though I have nothing much to add, I do have a question. I'm somewhat confused about Leo and what it means to be transgender. If Leo feels he is really a woman, shouldn't he be physically attracted to men rather than to women (though I suppose the transgender person could be a lesbian)? Apparently he and Sofi had no sexual problems. I ask all this out of ignorance. I gather that there are differences between cross-dressers and people who are transgender, but I'm not sure what those differences entail.
 

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There's a difference between who Leo is (a woman), and who he's attracted to (other women). He'd rather be a gay woman than a straight man. And even as a woman he'd be a better man than his father.

I don't know why Cris and Meche would have any problem with Aurora being hit. if that's what it takes to make her the dutiful, meek wife they think she should be, then no wonder they're on Rob's side. At least Meche showed some humanity towards her daughter last night, but Cris needs to go. When this gets worked out, Aurora should take her child, her small wine idea, give them both new names, and move to France. At least new last names. Now way should Cris get any credit when she's a success and he certainly shouldn't be allowed around that child. This show has enough machismo boys. He needs to be made to feel like bottom of the barrel crap and lose his whole family. Paloma is already done with him, and bully for her! She's the real heroine of the show.

Looking forward to Sara letting out her crazy more and getting Rob into trouble. It'd serve him right. And I like that the cops aren't falling for Roberto. They do their job professionally, but behind the scenes, they're still allowed to think critically about what's happening. Even Ernesto who they could have easily made into another macho jerk believes Aurora. Good on you, show. And good for kicking out Juanjo and Serena. How are those cameras going to work as evidence now (if this were real life and such questions mattered)?

Kelly
 

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Thanks very much, Kelly, for your helpful response to my question. And I agree that whether he's a man or a woman, Leo is a better man than his father.

I am still wondering about what differentiates a cross-dresser from someone who is transgender. Is the cross-dresser comfortable with his/her biological sex, whereas someone who is transgender feels that his/her biological sex (and all the gender attributes assigned to it) is in error?
 

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That's exactly my understanding. Violating typical societal norms versus biology. And maybe people used the term "cross-dresser" when transgender wouldn't have been spoken of? It's an interesting and topical subject that would be harder to imagine over on Uni.

Either way, Cris is going to freak out and lose all his children. Emilio died, Paloma was sick of him years ago, and he's chosen abusive Rob over Aurora. Instead of Aurora going away, they should all send him away. The family would be better off. He may not have been violent like Rob but he has made it clear his daughters that he has no respect for women, and the Leo thing may push him over the edge. It'll be interesting to see how they handle that. Or it would be if they weren't chopping the heck out of this.

Kelly
 

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I may have misunderstood this segment but I thought that after Sara called Roberto with the news that Serena and Juanjo were snooping around his house, Roberto was the one who called the police in order to stop Juanjo and Serena's investigating the house. Actually, this brought Ernesto to the house and the possibility of his getting evidence against Roberto.
I hope that Anita does more to redeem herself above and beyond her apology.
Bella

 

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Thank you deb for the recap and everyone for comments.

Perhaps it's good Juanjo and Sere gathered the cameras. I don't think Aurora and Rob would ever go back to living together in that house so further recording is useless. There might be limited space for storage and after a certain period of time the recording would be overwritten by newer footage. I hope that the police find the recordings.

Yes, Kelly, Cris will have lost all his children and I agree that Leo could push him over the edge. He won't take to his bed like Natalia--that's not macho. But maybe he will have a medical event that will force him to take stock. Perhaps in the end he will come to the same conclusion as Natalia, step back from the winery and let his daughters run the business.

If anyone is interested, GLAAD has a glossary of terms referring to transgender, etc.:
https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

dondi356

 

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Many thanks, dondi356, for the link to GLAAD's glossary of terms. I found it quite helpful.
 

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After today's ending Rob should be arrested again and now Aurora (and the PD) have a 2nd case against him for threatening someone with a firearm, even if they were blanks. But we saw the look in his eyes when his lawyer told him to go back to the psychiatrist...he's going to try to make it work in his favor. I think the Psych is on to him though.

Cris tore Rob's resignation letter and forgave him yet he stands firmly against his daughters when there's a disagreement. What will he do now that Rob is out of control and still an employee?

Now that Rob knows Delores doesn't have money she should be safe. Still can't help but wonder where the tablet and money are stashed.

I like Paloma except when's she's with Paco, She's a reckless free-spirit...the kind who'll get a weak, married man in trouble. Nat is still at peace but for how long.

Meche...I guess better late than never...right or wrong she's standing by her daughter. If she can forgive Cris' cheating and control issues, she can do the same for her children.

Leo came out and received his first "rejection" by Sofi. Family is next. Oddly enough everyone in town knew about Aurora except him.

Spanish Student
 

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great comments Spanish Student!

I'll add some detail,

Ernesto has the laptop with the surveillance videos on it, the IT guy says it's impossible to recover the ones lost, but Ernesto thinks they have enough, shows Susan the video of Rob threatening Aurora with a gun, then dragging her around the house by her hair, Susan's on it, gets Aurora out of jail, gets a restraining order against Rob, and takes her to the Castañeda house to intercept Rob and get the baby, the restraining order is for one week till the hearing, Rob wants to say bye to Emilio, Susan tells him to get lost.

Paco tells Nat he is meeting Mike but meets with Paloma in her car, while Nat parks alongside Paco hides, later Mike warns Paco again about getting him involved. (so Mike is Susan's husband, I now remember they were together early but I didn't know who Mike was then)

Aurora disgusted with her parents goes to stay with Juanjo and Sere, Cris doesn't get it, Meche spells it out for him.

Rob goes home and is pampered by Sara, (and why did she stop the blackmail for sex thingy?)

Rob is sweet talking Cris to keep his job and a line on Aurora but gets shut down by Cris, is he catching on, (and it appears everyone has seen the video, huh?) am I fired he asks, no because you are a shareholder, but get lost.

Meche goes to see Aurora, Cris tags along, she talks her into coming home, then Cris adds his conditions, oh no, drop the small wine and quit working with the Montiels, that rips it, Aurora thanks them for coming and walks away, Meches spells it out again for Cris who doesn't get it.

as Rob is cleaning out his office, Dolores shows, she is claiming Wilmer's body but has no money for funeral or creamation, Rob handles it and she goes to Cris to thank him, news to him, so he jumps on Rob, he's ok with picking up the expense but not with Rob spending his money without telling him, ah, but it was Rob's money (sure and I'm thinking Cris better get Aurora in there checking their accounts, pronto) Rob also gives him his resignation, and Cris swings back to his old self, tells Rob to stay, he needs him, also slips about Aurora going back to work with Juanjo, Rob calls their house phone, doesn't speak but hears Aurora in the background, he cracks.

Rob goes to his lawyer who advises he strictly follow the restraining order because Aurora will be going for a permanent one, and to go back to anger managment, which gets some twitches out of Rob.

Aurora is off to see her Lawyer, Aristides Maldonado, later tells JJ Rob will charge adultery so she should move out. (maybe a good idea since Sere doesn't exist when Aurora is there)

Leonarda gives his speech at the Lgbt meeting, (I sure hope he doesn't lose Sofi as a friend)

Paco lets Paloma know that Mike knows, they decide to be "friends" and both walk away hurt.

not sure why Juanjo is driving Aurora around in her car but Rob follow them back to his place, he has his gun, Juanjo stands in his way, Sere, the only cool head around calls the cops, but they hear a shot, what, did he miss, Rob wants to talk, Aurora has him put the gun down, but his talk leads to him dragging Aurora home, Juanjo stops him, fight, cool smart Sere grabs the gun, Rob doesn't think she will shoot, she does, did she miss him, and Juanjo pins Rob down, Rob begs Aurora to let him love her...

CRASH, goes the glass!

 

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Interesting that brief conversation between Juanjo and Aurora after her parents left. He urged her to understand them--this is how they were raised by their parents, they don't know any better. Your mom wants to help but she doesn't quite know how. Aurora is done being the obedient little girl. Why should she respect them if they don't respect her? He says to take time and think about it. Juanjo as a voice of reason?

Two shots missed at close range? Are there blanks in that gun?

dondi356
 

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Grat recap, deb!

I was trying to read the Spanish subtitles and thought Mike wanted Paco to fire Paloma. Bui it seems he only broke up with her. Is she still working there?

Why wasn't Rob arrested after Susan saw his abuse in the video? Is there a legal reason why she could release Aurora but only get a restraining order against Rob?

I agree that Sara changed from one episode to the next. She knew Rob locked Aurora in the house and turned her back. She's always around but somehow missed Rob dragging bloody Wilmer around for a day. Since Rob's only using her, I hope we'll see her "scorned woman" side again.

Dondi356, yes those were blanks... shouldn't threatening someone with the gun still be cause for an arrest?

Spanish Student
 

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deb, thanks for another terrific recap. I was surprised to see the lawyer Rob went to see. He looked very familiar. Wasn't he the same one Aurora had spoken with earlier?

I was happy to see that Meche has finally seen the light, but the switch from strongly condemning her daughter's behavior to siding with her seemed a bit too abrupt. Of course, it might have seemed less abrupt if we had seen what episodes Telemundo cut. I was surprised when Cris and Meche seemed to know in detail what the video had shown of Rob's abuse of Aurora; we never saw them see the video. Perhaps that scene too was cut?

dondi356, I too was astonished and amused at Juanjo as the voice of reason. I guess the writers have to make him seem more mature if he's going to wind up with Aurora (though "mature" is not exactly the word I'd use to describe wimpy doormat Aurora either. I can't wait for her strong, gutsy twin to return.).

Spanish Student, I didn't hear Mike say he wanted to fire Paloma in last night's episode, but he definitely did say it in a preceding one. I heard him, and I saw the Spanish subtitles. What I assumed about last night's episode is that somewhere along the way (off camera), Mike had told Paco that he should fire Paloma, and Paco promised to do so, so when Mike talked about Paco's having promised something, that's what it was. And that's what Paco did.

My beanie rebelled at the notion of a temporary restraining order for a violent, dangerous nutcase like Roberto. I hope the rebellion is short-lived. I have a feeling I'm going to need a superbly functioning, full-strength beanie next week.
 

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Great comments, everyone!

I thought maybe Paco said that HE was fired, and that Paloma would stay on the project, but I could be wrong.

I liked how Mercedes told Cris that even if her daughter is "wrong", she's going to support her 100%. Of course, Cris still doesn't get it.

We never know what Sara is going to do. I was hoping someone would check Land Records and see that Rob sold his condo to her at a super low price (which would prove she is biased), but that probably won't happen.

It sounded to me as if Leo introduced himself as Leonora, which if true is interesting since that's the name of several tragic heroines in Verdi operas.

Rob is so nuts, he really believes that Aurora has cheated on him with Juanjo "hundreds of times". And he thinks they're "making fun" of him (burlando, which could also be translated as mocking, but of course nobody these days uses that word). In telenovelas, jealous people often think the others are making fun of them, without realizing that Aurora and Juanjo aren't like that, because they are nice people. But Rob's connection with reality is pretty tenuous - he's the type I could picture in a straight jacket in a rubber room at the end.
 

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Firing Paloma to get rid of temptation is setting up a lawsuit for sexual discrimination and wrongful dismissal. I do not agree with how Paloma going after this married man....but both she and Paco willing went at each other. Stupid of Paco to make that move on Paloma for so many reasons...given she's Chris' daughter, and somewhat friend to his family. Now, the company could be in jeopardy if she were to act on getting fired and I wouldn't blame her for that.

And for the same reasons...Paloma can get fired...This is TV....Rob could be free after the police see his violent treatment of Auora on video. I was in so much disbelief when they let him go...I almost stopped watching.

Have no words to Chris' love for his son in law over his on blood and daughter. If both he and Merche have seen that video...and they still tolerate Rob's presence....heaven help them. How cold they see their daughter suffer that type of abuse with a gun, being drug by the hair...and they still breath the same air as Rob. Merche only started siding with Aurora at the thought of loosing her grandson...originally. This family thinking is from the stone ages.

Nett
 

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Nett, I agree with you about Paloma (Delores and Aurora's personal coach when it comes fighting for their rights) but I think she feels guilty and won't sue. The last thing I remember her saying is she wanted to get back to work so they cut out the part when she actually left.

I'm thinking that Chris and Meche didn't actually see Rob's abuse but they know from Susan that Aurora's actions were warranted. And Rob behaved favorably to him ...by admitting guilt and shame and seeking redemption through Delores (all most likely a part of Rob's plan). But his 3 children are doing the opposite with him...refusing to conform and admit any wrongdoing...because their right. So Rob might have exploited a weakness in him.

Chris and Meche's outdated perspective on gender roles are about to be further challenged with Leo. Thus they not only have to deal with their children's nonconformist lifestyles but the "public family image". That could be a lot for a small town couple in their golden years.

Spanish Student
 

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DEB:
AWESOME!! RECAP, I MISSED ALOT! smashing!!

JUANITA:
MS.LEO is fluid, and will he, keep his equipment to satisfy her wife,Sofi..?!

Spanish:
Yes! yea tablet!! yes !! gas station guy!! and criminal contacts!!

Kelly :
yes.. where's nutso Sara?? time to burn her ass!! SHE LOST HER MONEY condo sale, fraud deed / title.....yes, hack job!!!

Doni:
soap opera ,cris has a heart attack, issues forgiveness??yuck!

Nett:
Cris is a male chauv.pig...

Misterio:
yes!! love that straight JACKET!! LOVE IT!!


 

I am a bit confused about whether Paco fired Paloma or not. I remember that Mike tells him to fire her. Then this is followed by the scene where Paco breaks up with her. When Mike asks Paco if he has dealt with the situation, Paco tells Mike that he has. Could Mike and Paco have had another conversation, which viewers did not see, where Paco tells Mike he will sever his romantic relationship with Paloma, but not fire her? I guess we'll see if Paloma keeps working for Mawa and if she still sets up the exhibition or not.
 

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I was still confused about Paloma and Paco so I rewatched their scenes. They ended with a handshake and agreed to being friends AND colleagues. Paloma said it's the end of their aventura but I didn't hear despedido in the conversation. We will see.

Hombre de Misterio, I like speculating on a novela villain's end. Usual choices are death, jail or manicomio. Rob sure does seem headed for the manicomio.

Halimacandy, I'm thinking that Cris should ask forgiveness from his entire family! It's up to them to forgive him! I don't want him to get away easy. But this is a novela and we don't always get what we wish to see.

dondi356


 

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Halimacandy, I really appreciate your recaps and comments on this show. I'm half watching and I don't know very much about Jose Jose.

I can't believe that Kiki and Anel went to such despicable lengths to snare poor Jose. He seems so innocent and clueless.

I also wonder how many of these characters are made up for the sake of filler drama.

dondi356
 

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did someone actually say those were blanks in the gun or are we assuming that? (no divine intervention?)

my take on Paco/Paloma, which covers a couple of shows, Mike's solution was to fire her, but Paco never said (or did) anything, what's odd is that Paco and Mike are writing this book but I've never seen either one do anything but follow Paloma around, who is taking all the photos, doing the interviews, and is now transcribing them as well as putting together an event to promote the book (oh and Dolores interview was mentioned, will this lead us to the money).

what got to Paco was cowering in Paloma's car so Nat wouldn't catch him, that's not who he is, (and Paloma's laughing didn't help).

Aurora said in her statement that when Rob had her locked up, he broke both her phone and laptop, which is probably the laptop she whacked him with after the wine bottle, cracks me up that she hit him in the same place the other guy hit him with the pistol.

Sara brought Rob his pain pills when she was caring for him, so he's on a steady diet of them.

I'm actually liking it that they are zooming along, enough with Roberto stirring the pot, I'm enjoying watching it all come back at him.

Juanjo seems to have lost everything he learned in prison where he was practically running the place, hopefully because Aurora will take charge of her own destiny, love how the three old friends are united against a common enemy, still picturing the brave Serena standing there holding the gun on Rob, and the look of wonder on everyone's faces when Rob wasn't shot.

 

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Halimacandy, thanks for your comments also, I'm not watching this but it helps me tag along, do you recognize Anel as Jessica from the first Telemundo "Sin Senos", she had prior commitments and couldn't do the sequels,

 

TELEMUNDO...

"Enemigo Íntimo", pronto, I see this is being promoted as a super series, and looks like the good guys fighting the cartels, no start date as yet.

"Al otro lado del muro", pronto, I read an article in People en Espanol that said this would start in February.

as of today "Sangre de mi Tierra" and Senora Acero 4 are in there last weeks, but this may change soon, "José José, el príncipe de la canción" is plugging along not saying anything.

 

Deb: Looks like we're getting a conclusion to "Sangre" very soon.