Monday, June 11, 2018
Papá a Toda Madre, Último Capítulo: Part 2, 6/11/2018: After the Ashes Settle, Everything is Beautiful…In Its Own Way!
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Regardless of the show, I did enjoy the PATIO and all the comments!! I do want to thank our awesome leader, Alfredo, who always goes over and beyond the call of duty. I also want to thank Jarifa and Cynthia for their great work and dedication. There is no doubt that this team is VERY conscientious when it comes to providing thorough and timely recaps. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to be a part of such a fantastic team.
I also want to thank Kirby, Susy, Diana, JudyB, Andy, Steve, Niecie, Doris and all the other visitors/lurkers who dropped in. I know I sound like a broken record, but you all were the ones who motivated me to continue with this so-called romance-comedy.
I will be posting discussion pages for "La Bella y Las Bestias" so I do hope to 'see' everyone there...even if you just drop in occasionally to say 'hi' and let us know how you are doing.
It's late...so more tomorrow!
A few thoughts on this one:
Lots of happy endings but: When did everyone get so smart? Were they just playing dumb all this time?
Well, almost everyone . . . One last question: Why would anyone—like her mother— let Anifer wander around the toy factory only to be almost killed by Fabián?
I was so glad that Renée called Noél out on his lies.
It was good seeing Rodrigo have a realistic response after the bullets hit his bulletproof vest.
My favorite part was Toño doing his comedy routine and it giving structure to what had happened to the characters. That was just an example of how much better the writing could have been. Too bad we had to wait until the end to see something like that.
All in all, the novela was okay but it could have been so much better with the great cast and themes they had to work with.
More later.
Well, I'm glad it's over, though quite disappointed too. Not so much in this ending, it wasn't terrible, but the TN definitely broke down quite some time ago and never recovered. It's a real shame, because they could have made something very nice, but didn't. Looneycision's awful cutting of scenes or episodes made it even worse.
Flor was a knockout last night! And I am so glad she and Nerón finally got married, though just why it was so important to her and not to him, I will never understand. And you are absolutely right about the brevity of that scene. A much nicer wedding would have been appreciated; we were waiting for this wedding for months and then it's short and simple, over in a minute. We wuz robbed!
Chickie, especially with Jorge and Pablo, Jorge and Baldo, Jorge and whoever, I was right there with you thinking "Awwww, how sweeeeet!" I just don't know if you also then thought, "Bleh!", but I sure did. Jorge the uber-liberal, and now Melina's confidant. You've come a long way, Georgie Boy!
But so many, many loose threads with this ending! Shirley nobody thinks a second season would be green-lighted? Please tell me no!
:-)
andy
Andy is so right about Jorge, like 'Wha Happened?' did he get a brain transplant or did being weaned off Kika for a few months and celibate sans Dulcer bring him around?
Tono and Vero and Tono's miserable useless life / career. FF I'd rather watch a squirrel take a bathroom break. Their kids were cute.
Neron and Flo. She is hot with the frizzy wig. Otherwise ZZZZ
Rather than Renee, Kika was the female star of this show, I wonder if that was the intent.
As a matter of fact, I found myself only interested in the Anifer Mau Renee Noel Fab Maria story. It was bittersweet Mau telling Anifer that their time was special, but like most things in life, it must end sometime, because it really is so true, even life itself.
So Mau gets LogaToys back, Fab is gone, Noel may as well be, Maria and Ani back in the 'forest', and the cul-de-sac is rewound back to happiness.
The happy ending with Renee expecting just seemed forced/contrived.
BUT I have really enjoyed this patio. All of you here are sweet, caring, understanding, nonjudgemental, and we see each other like I see the little frog who lives out front by the light. Love 'em warts and all.
kirbo
And yes, so much sweetness last night, we’ve all got a sugar high. I'm still convinced Mrs. Jimenez's eighth grade class was writing this story, or at least most of it.
I won't miss this telenovela but I'll miss our time on the Patio together. Not sure I'll watch LBYLB but I'm giving CQM a concerted effort. I'm sure I'll like it more once Oliveras is a secondary character. His facial expression just .... oh never mind.
Well, we got one wedding --- Flor’s. Yaaayyyyy!!! (and ITA, AndyBanda, we wuz cheated because it was so quick)
After several months off the chemo, Flor should have enough hair by now for a pixie cut, so why is she still wearing the wigs?
And Mau finally got Jorge’s name right! Yaaayyyyy!!! I had to re-wind to make sure I heard that right. LOL
Hubby was watching this with me and even he said Fabian should have caught fire. Hold the phone, Alice!!! Too much gasoline was splashed on his pants legs and shoes. ~major eye roll over plot~
I’ve got to say, Mark Tacher does “deranged sociopath” very well. Impressive!
Jorge has really made progress, evolving into a compassionate (well, as best he can) human being.
After escaping near death from Fabian’s attack, it seemed so very odd that in the next scene Mau, Renne, et all were calm, as if they were on Valium. Not concerned about a madman running loose out there who would come back.
There was one scene with Mau in a puffy vest, Ani playing in the background in a hooded coat, and Maria is standing there in a dark green halter top and sleeves held up with elastic. QTH???
The whole Noél thing was just ridiculous. The guy needs to be locked up for life.
Given how many responsibilities you have at home, I am just so impressed with the level of detail you gave us on this very rushed two-hour squeeze of an ending. And Jarifa I believe you when you say they cut out a whole week of episodes. There was just a lot we had to intuit. And while the writing and overall concept wasn't stellar, I still feel that it's unfair to the writers to hack and savagely cut the episodes at the end. Why not just schedule the shows so there's time for everything. Do. Not. Understand.
But enough kvetching, time to thank Rgv Chick and Ghost for all their hard work.
Loved the refrain "Awwwww, how sweeeet!! And yes, we were all on sugar overload and in dire need of insulin by the time this was over.
Also enjoyed the dissing of Mauricio's brain power.
"Mauricio's frailty is only above the chin." (true, lucky for us and Renee that what's below the chin is soooooo fine.)
And the thought of Mauricio protecting everybody in the privada? "I wouldn't send you out to kill a mosquito." Ouch. Tough remark Rgv Chick. But true. He's cute but no knight in shining armor. Thank God for a real tough guy...Rodrigo.
And thanks also for noting that the background music during the proposal was the song Neron sang to Flor when he asked her to come back home.
You went above and beyond on this Rgv Chick. Made sense of the senseless jumble, peppered it with lots of snark to make it entertaining, and throughout all the episodes had a wonderful way of affirming all the commenters and making them feel welcome and appreciated.
As Kirby noted, we do have a very nice group here. My favorite virtual family room for sure.
And Jarifa, I too laughed when I saw those dang gasoline jugs. Guess they're part of the big warehouse holding furniture and knick-knacks that we see recycled through many a telenovela. And recycled plots as well. What's a telenovela without an incredible fire or two and beloved characters in distress?
Well. It's over. And I'm relieved. A much improved Kizzie is sitting on my lap as I type this. Not sure she's going to last through Bella y Bestias, but for sure she will make it until our son gets back from vacation.
So happy endings all around.
One thing I noticed was that this not-very-tradition telenovela did not end with una gran boda. Instead, the Renee tells her not-husband (are they even engaged to be married?) that they're going to be parents.
But caught just right here in FloriDUH, even a cloud or two against a cobalt sky with a couple of jealous trees trying to sneak in makes a nice shot.
And I mucho agree our Rockin Girl Volcano recrapper is hard to beat.
And if you can, plop them out across the border so somebody else can pay for all your fun.
I will not watch another Gringo hating show, nor will I grace another man hater program with my eyes and wit.
I'm a pretty forgiving human, but even a dumb dog will not sit and let you poop on him.
Thanks again to everyone! Your kind reviews and words of wisdom and insight are like adrenaline to me....or maybe honey since I'm so attracted to this patio :-) Ghost, who luuurves to read your comments and feedback, also thanks you. I'm so glad I found a friendly snarky ghost whose generosity and wit abound....I don't know what I would have done without that help. THANK YOU!!
Jarifa, "Lots of happy endings but: When did everyone get so smart?" I'm not sure, but I think Andy must have sent them some of his smart pills :-) There must have been some sensitivity pills in there for Jorge, too. Of all the people Melina decides to confide in, she picks Jorge. I was pleasantly surprised that Jorge kept his composure and reacted accordingly, but I would have thought that Melina would be more likely to confide in Neron since he was the one who was communicating with her the most.
Andy, "And I am so glad she and Nerón finally got married, though just why it was so important to her and not to him, I will never understand." I don't understand either. I was a bit disappointed in Flor since she didn't seem to notice that Neron's primary reason for marrying her is so that she and Milady were protected. Though the song was playing in the background, Neron should have professed his love to Flor...IMO.
Kirby, "So Mau gets LogaToys back, Fab is gone, Noel may as well be, Maria and Ani back in the 'forest', and the cul-de-sac is rewound back to happiness." In a nutshell...YUP!! Others that are gone without any anvils or justice juice are Dulce and Falcon. It seems that the writers are not very keen on anvils. So what happened to Yolanda??? maybe she's off in Miami with Falcon ...HA!!
JudyB, thank you for being so kind and considerate. I DO have lots of work here at my farm and now that the predator has been coming around, my nighttime rest is often times interrupted. It was actually the Patio that kept me going; and Ghost's help was a Godsend, but now things are so hectic that I've decided to cut back on the recapping. Oh and I am so glad Kizzie is so much better; it is such a relief to know that our furry friends are going to be with us for a bit longer (or more) than we expected. My prayers for you and Kizzie continue.
Doris, "Hubby was watching this with me and even he said Fabian should have caught fire." I thought so too!! But to make sense of it, I told myself he was wearing nonflammable clothes and shoes.
Andy, if they ATTEMPT to make a second season for this, I'll know that the writer's are truly insane and must have a lot of money to waste!
It was an odd show, wasnt it? Somewhere along the line the writers seemed to change the leads from Maury and Renee to Jorge and Kiki. They seem to be the ones who went on the traditional hero',s journey to better forms of themselves.I think that when I suspected that Maria was alive that in the end Ani would return to her and Maury and Renee would marry and have their own baby. PSA#,2341 ..You don't have to get married to have a baby. Remember that song "First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes x with the baby carriage!" Well, not anymore folks. .brave New world.
I only watched until 10 pm because I had to get up at 5.30am today ...last day of school . I recorded the rest of the show and will watch later. I will say that my favorite part was Jorge telling Pablo that he was family and the sweet smile on Pablo's face.
Kirby..I agree with all you said about the patio. I really think that we are kind and tolerant and caring of each other . We probably know each other better than some people who are actually around us in real life!!!
Loved the photo...kirby...blue is my favorite color ,and I love blue and green together. Your photos were always something positive to look forward to.
I will be here for B and B. Hope that it is more than kicking and wigs.
Just one thought....although Nerón did not mention love per se, the fact that he wants Flor and Milady to be protected IS LOVE. Love is not just warm, squishy feelings but making sure loved ones are safe, protected, cared for....
You love your animals, and the proof is that you do all you can to protect them from harm, giving up sleep and dragging through your days exhausted I'm sure....in order to watch out for them. Means a lot more than all the strokes and pats and kindly thoughts in the world...although those are important too.
When we love others, whether four-footed or two, we want the Best Possible Outcome for them. My husband knows that when I learned new ways of cooking and preparing meals in order to protect him from another heart attack, that meant a lot more than a lot of "I love you's" and sentimental cards. At least I hope so! And Nerón finally recognizing that he might not be around forever for his darling wife and child and preparing accordingly is Love indeed.
At least in my practical opinion.
Now hoping you can get in a nap or two before the nighttime vigil begins again querida amiga Chica.
(For over two months, my now 1 year-old granddaughter is in charge of my time. She and my son are living in my house, with her mother spending most afternoons with us. There's also the oxygen system and feeding tube that came with her. I'm legally obligated to supervise the baby's care, so that's the priority.)
So, with all our papas in the privada learning to be better fathers and our villain, Fabian, extinguished, we have closure. Sort of. I did enjoy Mau and Kika. Kika had a good heart and good sense under her frivolous exterior. Mau was stupid (many times) but he had a childlike sense of playfulness that I enjoyed.
Doris, I hope your Kizzie continues to feel better. I don't think I'll watch La Bella fighting her bestias. With the big sports championships done and this TN over, not sure what I'll watch.
The family situation sounds complicated. And in many ways that was what this telenovela was about. There are many different kinds of families, many different kinds of love. All are important and worthy of respect.
Hoping that as time goes on, all of you, mother, father, child and above all Grandmother la Paloma, will thrive and get stronger and healthier with each day. Que Dios os bendiga.
Also forgot to mention how much I enjoyed Flor's character. She was a firecracker and a welcome relief from some of the whiny ones.
Susy, yes, in deed, a very odd show with just about every PSA under the sun--some just touched upon while others were hammered in. There were many sidelines that were brought up, quickly resolved then just dropped (e.g., Neto's ADHD, Flor's cancer)...precious time that could have been devoted to the main story lines. And yes, the writer's did seem to flip the leads...over and over again.
JudyB, you are right...there are so many ways to say I love you and I care about you...this patio is the PERFECT example! The caring and support offered through kind, thoughtful words and "just being there" for one another is exceptional.
La Paloma, "Mau was stupid (many times) but he had a childlike sense of playfulness that I enjoyed." I can honestly say that the thing I liked most about Mau/Sebastian was his ability to use the various facial expressions to convey his feelings...without words; once he opened his mouth...AY! AY! AY!
Steve, Kika and Jorge will be buying a house there in Mexico near the cul-de-sac.
La Paloma, your family is blessed to have you. May God give you the strength and faith to continue supporting your family...and may HE smile down upon your granddaughter and make her stronger each day.
All the men were out and out bad, like Fabián and Noel, or were very deeply flawed, with the possible exception of Rodrigo. Huh! How did he escape the rampant male idiocy? And, no, it's not that, since Rafa did not escape it.
But Mau was the super-idiot, committing illegal acts and giving away his business just so he wouldn't be separated from his daughter, then is separated from her anyway, and then winds up leaving her in Chiapas with her mom and the phony butterflies. What?
Well, I intend to watch Bella y Bestias via the DVR, using FFWD on any parts I don't care to see. If there's enough eye candy I'll continue watching, and if not I will have an extra hour a day to play with.
Maybe Kirby and I could do a special, very abbreviated, recap covering only what Esmeralda wears in each episode, with particular attention to garters.
:-)
andy
Judy, I am glad that Kizzie is feeling better. My dear friend who has lung cancer has had many cats and one of her favorites was named Kizzie.
I am sure that the patio peeps all have life experiences that could be written into a telenovela.Right now, mine are dealing with child custody issues and selling the family farm. Hub met with the local auctioneer today to take and sell the furniture. My sister , hub, my daughter, and I have been slowly throwing and sorting things. We were told that Mennonites often are looking for farms to buy in this area. They are good farmers and stewards of the land. I am grieving . It is like losing my parents and grandmother all over again.....such is life...and telenovelas.
The novela definitely fell after Renee began to pursue her master’s program, and Maria and Ariel entered the picture. It was basically held up by Kika and Jorge after that. It was sad that Mauricio had to give up Anifer to Chiapas, but what more could he do if Maria wanted to go back? The scene when Mauricio visits Anifer in Chiapas showed a very deep contrast between the rural town and Mexico City. It’s sad to say, but Maria is doing Anifer a disservice by raising her there when she can get a better education with Mauricio at the capital.
I dislike that we didn’t see what happened to Dulce, nor the kids’ reactions to being abandoned again, particularly Sammy. Dulce really never loved her kids: they were just a means to an end, just like Noel with Fabian and Renee. At least now they all have Kika to step in for them, and Jorge finally stepped up to the plate. However, I’m not so sure if he really actually changed from within, and became more liberal like Kika. I think he still has his morals (for better or worse, despite his faults), but he’s learned to be tolerant now, accepting that things will go in whatever which way, and just needs to make the best of it. He seemed to be humbled, but sedated as well.
Regarding Flor and Neron, besides the fact that he suddenly realized marriage protects her and Milady, I think Neron is just settling down. This character made no sense to me throughout the series. He loves Flor, but for some reason never felt a desire to marry her? He was constantly afraid of dying and leaving them unprotected, even found her a potential future suitor, but he couldn’t even give her the basic protection of marriage earlier? Now he finally asks for marriage, but ruins the moment by making the marriage proposal seem like a beneficial transaction following his death? Flor deserved a way better proposal than that!
That being said, I think marriage isn’t as important anymore because the socio-cultural atmosphere is much more relaxed now than before (in many developed countries, at least). For example; single mothers aren’t shunned anymore, and no one bats an eye at illegitimate children either, whether the product of a stable/unstable/nonexistent relationship or even an amante situation. As opposed to many years ago, illegitimate children now have the right to carry the father’s last name, regardless of the parents’ marital status. Civil marriage at one point was essentially viewed as a transaction meant to protect the wife and future children, but the economy, the working woman, child support and accessibility to social programs changed that. Now people realize/accept that marriage doesn’t guarantee stability or protection, as many marriages fail within themselves, without ending in divorce.
Thank you to the recappers for your hard work and dedication to make this novela more fun than it ended up being. Hopefully the next one, or Mi marido tiene mas familia will be much better.
Maia
Well, I am glad we had at least one wedding. But you are right, if you blinked your eyes for a few seconds, or walked away from the TV for 10 seconds, you would have missed it.
Just in time for Father’s Day: I have always liked how most novelas honor the family. I liked how Toño’s stand-up routine honored fathers. In our society, it seems like fathers are forgotten and many times not honored. Especially when I watch American TV shows, most of the time fathers are the ones who are the foolish ones of the family. They are made fun of and not respected. Good fathers are very needed in the family, children need their daddies! The role of a good daddy helps the child develop into a well adjusted adult. I loved how Mau went from a selfish womanizer to the man he became a real father to Anifer, who had been growing up fatherless. Mau’s development into the man he became, to become a father in every possible way was extremely heartwarming.
I loved the changes in Jorge as well. He began as very stilted and very rigid. He was ashamed of his past and hid it for many years, however he learned to try to make right what was wrong and bring his family together. I could see the fierce love he had for his four children. It was also heartwarming to see how Val and Sammy learned to love their older siblings and vice versa. At the end, when Melina admitted to whom she really was, I was glad to see Jorge’s reaction, it was very tender and merciful. I have done a lot of research on transgenders and know for a fact that many suffer from regret after they have their surgery. It appeared that Melina was carrying some regret and did not have anyone to talk to. I know there is a very high suicide rate among transgenders (as high as 40%) even after transitioning and surgery. So what Melina needs is some love and understanding and I am glad this story showed that Jorge was understanding with her and told her that she could count on him.
I loved the ending where Renée showed up with the Mariachi band and let Mau know she was expecting. But I wanted them to have a wonderful wedding. We needed another wedding and some more celebration.
Oh, I have a question: That mariachi band—what was the name of that song they were playing? I know the song is a very popular one, I’ve heard it all my life and remember my parents dancing to that song.
Cynthia, the name of the song is “Si Nos Dejan”
Wow! This recap is a real tour-de-force! You did a terrific job.
I have just peeked into this patio time to time, so it’s just now, as you all are commenting about the finale, that I see that you didn’t have a very high opinion of this novela.
I’ve actually enjoyed it a lot. I found the ending particularly striking as so many telenovela rules were blasted away.
First off, the women’s choices were valued – they didn’t have to conform to old standards, or sacrifice their goals/happiness to fulfill them. Mau would have liked to have had Anifer with him always and Renee too. Anifer wanted that too. But Renee wanted to get her master’s, and Maria wanted to live in the countryside. At least Mau had lots of friends to be with, but he had to wait for Renee and just visit Anifer time to time.
Next, Renee was not required to take care of an elderly relative. He turned out to be an unpleasant guy, so he was left to his own devices.
And as a story arc: Jorge, the Man Who Wants To Do Right, was misled by strict church doctrine, dished out to him in the person of a fire-and-brimstone priest. His breaking away from those teachings made him a far kinder, better person. I have never seen the church questioned in this way in a telenovela. In fact, Jorge was never seen in church later. The final example of his evolution was treating a transgender person with kindness and compassion. Jorge was my favorite character, and Sergio Mur was just amazing in the part.
I also loved Flo because, well, she’s Flo.
I enjoyed the Barrientos parents. In fact, I really enjoyed the whole cast.
Okay, so what do I watch now? Muro just finished up last night too on Telemundo. Is there anything out there that isn’t a bloodbath? I’m really tired of drug kingpins and gangs and automatic weapons and prisons and violence violence violence. I love the lead actress in Bestia, but it looks like another slaughterhouse. O for a good hacienda novela! Nice scenery, nothing more violent than somebody falling down the staircase. Maybe a stabbing here and there, but not too many.
" O for a good hacienda novela! Nice scenery, nothing more violent than somebody falling down the staircase. Maybe a stabbing here and there, but not too many.'
Maggie - 'maybe a stabbing here and there, but not too many'...... Thank you for providing my second laugh-out-loud today! BwaHahahahaaaa!!!
I knew Jorge had definitely turned a corner last night, when he was shown sans sweater and his shirt tail was hanging out. For more than five minutes. Because, really, when was Jorge not put together, zipped up tight, etc? And in bed with Kika does not count. lol
Even the lighting in his home was brighter when the girls were sitting on the sofa talking.
It's a traditional telenovela with a traditional priest, Alexis Ayala, and there's already been two deaths, one in a fire, and one an accidental shooting. We're about ready to "después" and see the children as grownups. Anita is recapping it and hoping to get a Patio going.
Anita, I'm sure, would love for all this wonderful Patio to come on over. For now, it's just been me, Doris, Susanlynn and Jarifa commenting. Plus Blue Lass from the Por Amar Sin Ley neighborhood.
Probably there will be a staircase or a stabbing disaster, Maggie, if that's more your style. We can but hope....
I know what you mean about the bloodbaths, although it does not bother me if there is more to the story, BUT: From watching the previews of B&B, it looks like there is a fair amount of bloodletting at first, but the meat of the show seems to be beautiful little Esmeralda punching, kicking and otherwise beating the Holy Bejesus out of almost everyone. I hope she doesn't bruise easily. I will initially watch simply to see her. I just hope she does not plan on looking like Ariana Grande the whole show, or she will be wearing mouse ears before it is all over.
Woofer
She was a nice kid, but OMG was she annoying with the constant nagging.
If they told me I needed surgery to save me, I'd probably just be a goner, as I'd prefer whatever was wrong over the thought of one of those sinister little doctor razors slicing me open. Gah!
I liked this tn a lot. Yeah it had some issues but, for me, it was worlds ahead of Ramon.
I'm going to try to be on the patio for the next one. Hope to see all of you great commentators there!!
Maggie, interesting commentary on how this T defied TN rules. I must agree with you that women's choices were valued. So maybe the title of this TN should have been "Mujeres a Todo Dar." With a title like "Papa a Toda Madre" you would think that the men would be the type that made the Father of the Year list by the end of the TN...at least in the top 5, but I don't see how these fathers could make that list...yet. Yes, they are improving, but they have a loooong way to go.
Carvivlie, looking forward to your comments on the next TN.
I'm hoping that the storyline for La Bella is so good that the violence can be tolerated. I'm not one for narcos, guns and bloodbaths, but if the storyline is good enough, I'll give it a try. I too really enjoy Esmeralda Pimentel and am looking forward to seeing her as a bad ass chick...hopefully most of the violence will be more inferred than graphic...keeping fingers crossed!
Mind you, Fabian just recently recovered fron spinal surgery enough to walk, while Mauricio's only frailty is above the chin.
What happened, did the previous one hundred episodes happen in an alternate universe?
I wouldn't send you out to kill a mosquito, so you are now protecting the whole cul-de-sac?
Glad to hear Flor and Neron got married. That must've happened while I was out for a minute snack break because I missed it completely.
Jorge making a 360 to calmly, without stuttering, accept a transgendered woman? Okay.
But Pablo not recognizing his papá because pop had longer hair, makeup, a dress, and some new curves? Ridiculous.
It was always a delight catching up with the patio. What supportive, upbeat folks you are. JudyB, glad to hear your family has been blessed with more good times with your kitty.
I'll check out La Bella y Las Bestias tonight.
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