Saturday, July 06, 2019
Por Amar Sin Ley, Season 2 Viernes 7/5/19, Episode 76: The Wheels of Justice Turn, Albeit a Bit Squeaky
What follows are the encapsulated stories for this episode, in
order of appearance.
That night, Carlos drowns himself in sorrow and drink, holding Ale’s photo. He doesn’t answer Nancy’s call, who now has information about the two rival gangs from Javier. There’s a knock and another phone call. This time he gets up to answer the door, wiping away his tears, because it was El Ciego standing there, calling him. Carlos tells him he’ll be ok. ElCie says he’s glad to hear that because he’ll need help avoiding problems with the police. He explains the raid on one of his “places” of business, but sure that nothing was left behind to incriminate him personally. The guy that was killed had priors, but none to connect him to ElCie. Carlos promises to stay on top of things. As ElCie leaves, Carlos mentions Al being in jail. ElCie does a 1-80 and tells Carlos that he’s sure of Al’s loyalty, Al will stay silent. Carlos disabuses ElCie of that notion, just because, and wonders if ElCie still has folks “inside.” ElCie says he has folks everywhere. Carlos slowly metes out Al’s sentence—he’s to be warned; if he opens his mouth, he’s dead.
Carlos warns ElCie that the little twerp is liable to do anything to get out of jail, including giving up information on ElCie. That gets ElCie’s attention. He’ll take care of him. He is curious to know what his cousin did to bring him to this decision. Carlos says it’s not important, but he wants him to suffer in life for all he’s done. Death is way too easy. ElCie pours himself a glass and clinks with Carlos’ and repeats how the two of them are very much alike. Carlos squints and says he wants the guy who killed Ale to pay. ElCie says that one is for him (ElCie) and him alone for what was done to his business and his peeps. He asks Carlos to trust him to take care of El Gringo and his cousin Al.
The next day at the Ibarra y Paez [time to take that name off the door, fella] Carlos is so agitated he might as well be spitting bullets. He demands Nancy’s presence. He’s pissed she already knew yesterday about the raid on ElCie’s warehouse. She’s pissed he didn’t answer his phone. She tells him it was Javier himself who was there and passed the information on to her. He tells her he wants all the evidence that could compromise ElCie destroyed. She tells him that’s impossible. He says he doesn’t care. Whatever she has to do, just do it and get hopping, as he orders her out of the office. [Nancy—it’s time to get out before you dig your own grave even deeper.] Carlos just stands there after she leaves, sure he’ll keep his hands clean while she does the dirty work—even if she gets killed in the process. It’s all about HIM.
*2. The Boston Tea Party
[For all of you out there using telenovelas to improve your Spanish and feel robbed with the dialog in English, it was subtitled in Spanish—good practice for spelling correctly in Spanish.] Ric and Vic arrive at a Boston Police Station to argue with an ICE official about Diego Molina’s human rights having been violated and to announce that Molina is appealing his deportation. The official dismisses their claim, saying that times have changed, so? Vic declares they are not leaving until they have the information relating to Molina in order to take the case to trial. The official concedes, without much of a fuss, to hand over everything he has, after checking Vic’s license to practice in MA. He doesn’t think it will get them anywhere. Vic says it’s not for him to decide.
Ric and Vic leave, commenting on human rights in general and immigrations cases in particular, noting especially how the U.S. holds itself up to be the moral leader of the world in this respect and is quick to go after other abusers of human rights. They hurry off for the court to file before it closes.
A nice lady at the court house receives them. She tries to dissuade them from pushing the case, now that the regulations have changed. However, she promises to look over the documents Ric gives her and to speak to a judge. If one is willing to hear the case, she’ll let them know. [Is this really how it works? Isn’t this a Federal matter? Ni modo, on we go.]
Ric and Vic stop in at Diego’s Tea Shoppe. Kay and Emma are waiting for news. They are disappointed to learn Diego won’t be coming home right away. Jordan, the busboy, is willing to be a character witness for Diego. While in the Tea Shoppe, Ric calls Diego at his cousin’s house. Diego, Kay and Emma exchange verbal billets-doux, then Ric tells Diego things didn’t go well with ICE, but they are going to litigate his case, once a judge takes the case. They assure Diego they are working hard. The two abogados leave and discuss a strategy to strategize, each needing to study parts of the MA law. [Again, isn’t immigration a Federal matter? Ah, maybe the idea of how Diego was treated was a human rights violation and might work in a MA court system. Here’s hoping.]
Ric finally mentions the fact that Diego and Kay never married, but they can request a fiancé’s visa. Another tactic would be for Emma, a U.S. citizen, to request the legalization of her father. Vic thinks they are great ideas.
*3. In pursuit of Gus
Lorena puts Manuel’s suggestion to ask Gus if he could use her help, into practice [duh, I think we’ve seen where this didn’t work earlier]. She gets the same angry rebuff the second time around. She leaves dejected.
She’s sitting in the Vega Library in a blue funk when Manuel shows up. She tells Manuel how Gus kicked her out of his office. She wanted so much to help him. Manuel offers that Gus is still experiencing a lot of pain and perhaps she’d be better off with someone else. Lorena doesn’t agree. She’s convinced, “All he needs is love.” Manuel says to give him time to overcome the tragedy, but it might be never.
*4. Javier on the job
The police are gently taking down Ciego’s night watchman from where he was strung up, upside down. Javier arrives and asks for Quiroz. Quiroz is in the warehouse helping collect evidence. He finds a pair of dark glasses and hopes they can find some fingerprints from them. Javier shows up, gloves on, ready to help. Quiroz assures Javier the police are on the job, including determining the identity of the dead man.
Jav says he’s sure this is the work of a “professional” gang and some of them may even have fingerprints already on file. Jav gives Quiroz a quick lesson in collecting evidence to use against these criminals and their possible connections to drugs and arms smuggling. Quiroz tries not to roll his eyes. Jav is sure what Quiroz is collecting will be enough to keep those arrested in jail until trial. Quiroz promises to share whatever they find with Jav. Outside, Jav immediately calls Nancy and sets up a meet, then snaps a photo of the perpetrator’s message, “I’m going to find you.”
At the meet, Jav tells an unbelieving Nancy about the warehouse debacle and the possibility that fingerprints will lead them to know the culprits, ones that may have been involved in his case—the shootings of Vega staff.
*5. Tat on a shopping spree
Tatiana has bought out a men’s clothing store for Juan, it seems, by the parcels they are carrying. But there is one thing missing, as they stop outside a jewelry store. Her eyes light up. No, it’s not a diamond ringgy-dinggy for her, it’s a watch for him—to make him all of a lawyer. He buys the watch. The saleslady urges Juan to get something for Tat. She demurs but doesn’t spurn the offer when he insists. She picks out a bracelet.
Juan arrives home that evening with all his purchases. Susana doesn’t fail to notice. He tells her he wants to be seen as more elegant. Mami corrects him on how she raised him—what’s important is who he is, not how he looks. He counters that real life isn’t like that. How one looks is how one is treated. Mami thinks he should be saving his money and that watch is sure to bring too much attention to the wrong type of person. He thinks he knows how to take care of himself.
The next day, Juan tries to slip out without breakfast OR having to talk to his mami. She says she doesn’t want them to be angry with each other over what she said the night before, or about the watch. She’s worried about his values. She’s the first to be happy and proud of his achievements, but she’d like him to be the Juan of Old, despite the trappings of money. He tells her the old Juan no longer exists. She hopes money isn’t going to change him. He says it won’t. [But deep into debt will, and not if Tat has anything to do with spending his money.]
*6. Camila has a new lease on life
*1. Carlos,
Alan and El Ciego are going to work it out.
Carlos had bribed a jail guard to leave him alone with Alan.
Even as he’s getting beaten to a pulp and nearly strangled by Carlos, Alan
denies culpability in having killed Patricia, in spite of the recordings Sonia
presented at his trial. [Time out for a big question. I’ve put in a call to
Candice deLonge and reached out to my cell phone provider, but they haven’t gotten back
to me yet. How is it possible for Sonia to recover voice mails left for Alan on Tellez phone?
Those voice mails would have been on Alan’s phone, no? It’s a stretch to
believe Tellez would have made recordings of his own threats and revelations on
his own voice-mail and kept them. The closest I can come to an answer,
technologically, is if I pick up the phone and answer while the calling party
is leaving a message. And that happened in the olden days with answering
machines on a land phone. If it still happens with cell phones, I’m unaware. In
this case, Alan never answered the phone. Oh well, until I get an answer, I’ll
put my beanie on for this one.] Finished with Al, leaving him bloodied on the
floor in pain, Carlos leaves the room. Maybe he feels better after the beating, but
probably not.That night, Carlos drowns himself in sorrow and drink, holding Ale’s photo. He doesn’t answer Nancy’s call, who now has information about the two rival gangs from Javier. There’s a knock and another phone call. This time he gets up to answer the door, wiping away his tears, because it was El Ciego standing there, calling him. Carlos tells him he’ll be ok. ElCie says he’s glad to hear that because he’ll need help avoiding problems with the police. He explains the raid on one of his “places” of business, but sure that nothing was left behind to incriminate him personally. The guy that was killed had priors, but none to connect him to ElCie. Carlos promises to stay on top of things. As ElCie leaves, Carlos mentions Al being in jail. ElCie does a 1-80 and tells Carlos that he’s sure of Al’s loyalty, Al will stay silent. Carlos disabuses ElCie of that notion, just because, and wonders if ElCie still has folks “inside.” ElCie says he has folks everywhere. Carlos slowly metes out Al’s sentence—he’s to be warned; if he opens his mouth, he’s dead.
Carlos warns ElCie that the little twerp is liable to do anything to get out of jail, including giving up information on ElCie. That gets ElCie’s attention. He’ll take care of him. He is curious to know what his cousin did to bring him to this decision. Carlos says it’s not important, but he wants him to suffer in life for all he’s done. Death is way too easy. ElCie pours himself a glass and clinks with Carlos’ and repeats how the two of them are very much alike. Carlos squints and says he wants the guy who killed Ale to pay. ElCie says that one is for him (ElCie) and him alone for what was done to his business and his peeps. He asks Carlos to trust him to take care of El Gringo and his cousin Al.
The next day at the Ibarra y Paez [time to take that name off the door, fella] Carlos is so agitated he might as well be spitting bullets. He demands Nancy’s presence. He’s pissed she already knew yesterday about the raid on ElCie’s warehouse. She’s pissed he didn’t answer his phone. She tells him it was Javier himself who was there and passed the information on to her. He tells her he wants all the evidence that could compromise ElCie destroyed. She tells him that’s impossible. He says he doesn’t care. Whatever she has to do, just do it and get hopping, as he orders her out of the office. [Nancy—it’s time to get out before you dig your own grave even deeper.] Carlos just stands there after she leaves, sure he’ll keep his hands clean while she does the dirty work—even if she gets killed in the process. It’s all about HIM.
*2. The Boston Tea Party
[For all of you out there using telenovelas to improve your Spanish and feel robbed with the dialog in English, it was subtitled in Spanish—good practice for spelling correctly in Spanish.] Ric and Vic arrive at a Boston Police Station to argue with an ICE official about Diego Molina’s human rights having been violated and to announce that Molina is appealing his deportation. The official dismisses their claim, saying that times have changed, so? Vic declares they are not leaving until they have the information relating to Molina in order to take the case to trial. The official concedes, without much of a fuss, to hand over everything he has, after checking Vic’s license to practice in MA. He doesn’t think it will get them anywhere. Vic says it’s not for him to decide.
Ric and Vic leave, commenting on human rights in general and immigrations cases in particular, noting especially how the U.S. holds itself up to be the moral leader of the world in this respect and is quick to go after other abusers of human rights. They hurry off for the court to file before it closes.
A nice lady at the court house receives them. She tries to dissuade them from pushing the case, now that the regulations have changed. However, she promises to look over the documents Ric gives her and to speak to a judge. If one is willing to hear the case, she’ll let them know. [Is this really how it works? Isn’t this a Federal matter? Ni modo, on we go.]
Ric and Vic stop in at Diego’s Tea Shoppe. Kay and Emma are waiting for news. They are disappointed to learn Diego won’t be coming home right away. Jordan, the busboy, is willing to be a character witness for Diego. While in the Tea Shoppe, Ric calls Diego at his cousin’s house. Diego, Kay and Emma exchange verbal billets-doux, then Ric tells Diego things didn’t go well with ICE, but they are going to litigate his case, once a judge takes the case. They assure Diego they are working hard. The two abogados leave and discuss a strategy to strategize, each needing to study parts of the MA law. [Again, isn’t immigration a Federal matter? Ah, maybe the idea of how Diego was treated was a human rights violation and might work in a MA court system. Here’s hoping.]
Ric finally mentions the fact that Diego and Kay never married, but they can request a fiancé’s visa. Another tactic would be for Emma, a U.S. citizen, to request the legalization of her father. Vic thinks they are great ideas.
*3. In pursuit of Gus
Lorena puts Manuel’s suggestion to ask Gus if he could use her help, into practice [duh, I think we’ve seen where this didn’t work earlier]. She gets the same angry rebuff the second time around. She leaves dejected.
She’s sitting in the Vega Library in a blue funk when Manuel shows up. She tells Manuel how Gus kicked her out of his office. She wanted so much to help him. Manuel offers that Gus is still experiencing a lot of pain and perhaps she’d be better off with someone else. Lorena doesn’t agree. She’s convinced, “All he needs is love.” Manuel says to give him time to overcome the tragedy, but it might be never.
*4. Javier on the job
The police are gently taking down Ciego’s night watchman from where he was strung up, upside down. Javier arrives and asks for Quiroz. Quiroz is in the warehouse helping collect evidence. He finds a pair of dark glasses and hopes they can find some fingerprints from them. Javier shows up, gloves on, ready to help. Quiroz assures Javier the police are on the job, including determining the identity of the dead man.
Jav says he’s sure this is the work of a “professional” gang and some of them may even have fingerprints already on file. Jav gives Quiroz a quick lesson in collecting evidence to use against these criminals and their possible connections to drugs and arms smuggling. Quiroz tries not to roll his eyes. Jav is sure what Quiroz is collecting will be enough to keep those arrested in jail until trial. Quiroz promises to share whatever they find with Jav. Outside, Jav immediately calls Nancy and sets up a meet, then snaps a photo of the perpetrator’s message, “I’m going to find you.”
At the meet, Jav tells an unbelieving Nancy about the warehouse debacle and the possibility that fingerprints will lead them to know the culprits, ones that may have been involved in his case—the shootings of Vega staff.
*5. Tat on a shopping spree
Tatiana has bought out a men’s clothing store for Juan, it seems, by the parcels they are carrying. But there is one thing missing, as they stop outside a jewelry store. Her eyes light up. No, it’s not a diamond ringgy-dinggy for her, it’s a watch for him—to make him all of a lawyer. He buys the watch. The saleslady urges Juan to get something for Tat. She demurs but doesn’t spurn the offer when he insists. She picks out a bracelet.
Juan arrives home that evening with all his purchases. Susana doesn’t fail to notice. He tells her he wants to be seen as more elegant. Mami corrects him on how she raised him—what’s important is who he is, not how he looks. He counters that real life isn’t like that. How one looks is how one is treated. Mami thinks he should be saving his money and that watch is sure to bring too much attention to the wrong type of person. He thinks he knows how to take care of himself.
The next day, Juan tries to slip out without breakfast OR having to talk to his mami. She says she doesn’t want them to be angry with each other over what she said the night before, or about the watch. She’s worried about his values. She’s the first to be happy and proud of his achievements, but she’d like him to be the Juan of Old, despite the trappings of money. He tells her the old Juan no longer exists. She hopes money isn’t going to change him. He says it won’t. [But deep into debt will, and not if Tat has anything to do with spending his money.]
*6. Camila has a new lease on life
When Camila is finished doing her homework, she holds it up
proudly for Sofie to see. Sofie says she has something important to discuss
with her (about taking power of attorney over her mother’s affairs). Meanwhile,
Cami is overjoyed that she had a good day and she’s going to be taking a class
in painting, also take up French again and joining a class in dancing—with Nick, who’s going to tag along since his mornings are all free, too. So, what does
Sofie have to tell her? Oh, just that she’ll be getting home earlier since she
now has a lighter work-load. Cami is happy about that.
*7. Bobby and Nick joust for an advantage over the other
Bobby is having a (serious) chat with his father. It starts out
with Bobby asking how it’s going with Camila engaging in new activities. Then
he brings up the subject of Lucia. Nick wants to know when she is leaving (with
a little desperation in his voice). Bobby doesn’t know, but he tells Nick he
intends to keep on seeing her. Nick says magnanimously that it is his right and
he will never interfere (ya, with a wink and crossed fingers).
Nick still is certain that Lucia has something up her
sleeve. She wants something from Bobby. He doesn’t think so. Nick says he knows
her and that in reality, it sounds as if she has a shakedown going on and hopes
Bobby doesn’t fall for it. Bobby is sure she only wants to make up for the lost
years. Nick insists that there is something fishy after all these years and
maybe now that he’s an attorney she needs something from him. Bobby feels that
if it did, she would have already asked. Bobby is displeased with Nick’s
attitude and tells him he’s made a decision to keep on seeing her.
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Thanks, Anita. Great job. My faves:
- The two abogados leave and discuss a strategy to strategize
- She hopes money isn’t going to change him. He says it won’t. [But deep into debt will
I too am confused about the messages Tellez left on Alan's phone turning up on Tellez's own phone. Earlier, we saw Alan deleting Tellez's messages, so I figured the police's tech folks would easily recover them because even I know about the recycle bin. But nope, Alan's phone never came up.
Time for Nancy to look out for herself. She's been dressing conservatively lately, keeping her torpedoes under wraps. Maybe that's a sign.
I did enjoy Alan telling Carlos that he's El Ciego's stooge. Carlos has Nancy working to protect El Ciego, but has it not occurred to Carlos that he'd have El Ciego off his back if El Gringo took him out? Anyhoo, doesn't look like Alan will be around much longer to hurl insults and serve as a punching bag.
- The two abogados leave and discuss a strategy to strategize
- She hopes money isn’t going to change him. He says it won’t. [But deep into debt will
I too am confused about the messages Tellez left on Alan's phone turning up on Tellez's own phone. Earlier, we saw Alan deleting Tellez's messages, so I figured the police's tech folks would easily recover them because even I know about the recycle bin. But nope, Alan's phone never came up.
Time for Nancy to look out for herself. She's been dressing conservatively lately, keeping her torpedoes under wraps. Maybe that's a sign.
I did enjoy Alan telling Carlos that he's El Ciego's stooge. Carlos has Nancy working to protect El Ciego, but has it not occurred to Carlos that he'd have El Ciego off his back if El Gringo took him out? Anyhoo, doesn't look like Alan will be around much longer to hurl insults and serve as a punching bag.
I'm also confused about the retrieved cell phone messages. The possibility of having someone listen in on a cell phone call is something that never crossed my mind. I think we really need our beanies for this one.
Javier, the guy who hates working with colleagues, is really going to regret hooking up with Nancy.
What a great point about Carlos being stupid not to recognize that if El Gringo knocks off El Ciego he'd be free of the parasite. The police aren't looking for El Gringo half as much as they are with El Ciego.
Alan is such a cry baby, his mother must have given Carlos boocoos of money to open his practice, enough so that Carlos would put up with his ditzy cousin.
Javier, the guy who hates working with colleagues, is really going to regret hooking up with Nancy.
What a great point about Carlos being stupid not to recognize that if El Gringo knocks off El Ciego he'd be free of the parasite. The police aren't looking for El Gringo half as much as they are with El Ciego.
Alan is such a cry baby, his mother must have given Carlos boocoos of money to open his practice, enough so that Carlos would put up with his ditzy cousin.
Gracias,Anita; bien hecho.
I fear for Juan because of Susanna's comments about the Rolex. His car was vandalized and the watch could easily be stolen if he were assaulted.
Diego may have been forced to sign that document before his English was adequate and without benefit of an interpreter. As for the change in the law, it has always been unconstitutional here to pass ex post facto laws. You can't be arrested or sent to prison for something you didbefore it's declared illegal.
Alan's phone could be in police custody if he had it on him when he went to the station. The fact that he erased the record of Tellez' calls is evidence; the voice mails would not be on the phone itself and may be backed up at the provider. Sonia's evidence should contain equivalent reports on Alan's phone activity.
Even if El Ciego is taken out, whoever replaces him would look for the money. Carlos will never be free of this.
I fear for Juan because of Susanna's comments about the Rolex. His car was vandalized and the watch could easily be stolen if he were assaulted.
Diego may have been forced to sign that document before his English was adequate and without benefit of an interpreter. As for the change in the law, it has always been unconstitutional here to pass ex post facto laws. You can't be arrested or sent to prison for something you didbefore it's declared illegal.
Alan's phone could be in police custody if he had it on him when he went to the station. The fact that he erased the record of Tellez' calls is evidence; the voice mails would not be on the phone itself and may be backed up at the provider. Sonia's evidence should contain equivalent reports on Alan's phone activity.
Even if El Ciego is taken out, whoever replaces him would look for the money. Carlos will never be free of this.
UA—about Alan’s phone. Of course that is a more reasonable assumption. However, that’s not what Sonia said. She said the voice mails were recovered from Tellez’s phone. The writers could easily have corrected that and explained that they were from Alan’s phone. They would have had to confiscate it from him when they arrested him. Anyway, they should have been clearer on that. I cancelled my call to Candice and my phone provider hasn’t bothered to return my call.
...and I also considered saying something about Juan and the Rolex with a reminder of his experience with the vandalized car. However, that’s why they moved, to be in a safer neighborhood and he doesn’t expect to be out walking anymore, since he has a flashy new car.
Thanks Anita, good recap.
Jaun seems to be going where ever the wind takes him. He shouldn't be going with that particular wind tho. He is tryin to forget fernanda. Doin it That way will come back and bite him in The butt. This will worry mom into a Heart attack. I really hope he opens his Eyes before it gets to bad. Of course it's bad enough now!
Roberto misses having a Mother growing
Up and he's not about to let her go just yet. He'll probly wind up getting his heart broken, while his Eyes arent
Completely closed. Papa nick was very adamant about moma wanting something.
Even more than usual. Is he afraid of
Something comin out? Cuz I don't think mom Or dad are being straight with babyboy. Maybe he wants her around til he can find out what shes up to while he's playin"I want my mommie to stay".
Whatever will be will be.
Why did Nancy change her wardrobe? Is
She workin for carlos or against Carlos? His part of this tn is really
Screwed up and it won't end well. He's
A Train wreck. Alan has already crashed and Burn. Both these men are on a downward spiral. I'd be surprised if they Are still alive at the end of this tail of derailed lives.
Jaun seems to be going where ever the wind takes him. He shouldn't be going with that particular wind tho. He is tryin to forget fernanda. Doin it That way will come back and bite him in The butt. This will worry mom into a Heart attack. I really hope he opens his Eyes before it gets to bad. Of course it's bad enough now!
Roberto misses having a Mother growing
Up and he's not about to let her go just yet. He'll probly wind up getting his heart broken, while his Eyes arent
Completely closed. Papa nick was very adamant about moma wanting something.
Even more than usual. Is he afraid of
Something comin out? Cuz I don't think mom Or dad are being straight with babyboy. Maybe he wants her around til he can find out what shes up to while he's playin"I want my mommie to stay".
Whatever will be will be.
Why did Nancy change her wardrobe? Is
She workin for carlos or against Carlos? His part of this tn is really
Screwed up and it won't end well. He's
A Train wreck. Alan has already crashed and Burn. Both these men are on a downward spiral. I'd be surprised if they Are still alive at the end of this tail of derailed lives.
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: Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 12:50:00 AM EDT
For the novelas that they extend beyond one season, do the producers make that determination before the end of the first season or can they make it after wrapping up the production? If they wait, how can they be sure that the actors don't have previous commitments; for example, ABC.
But I would like to see a second season, if only because this novela has been such a deviation from a traditional novela, and beanie moments haven't been all that frequent, taking into consideration that this is fantasy land.
It would be fun to take a vote on everyone's favorite court case. It seems as if Vega & Ass. litigated one case every 2 to 3 episodes.
Oh and to know which Vega attorney was best in court??
But I would like to see a second season, if only because this novela has been such a deviation from a traditional novela, and beanie moments haven't been all that frequent, taking into consideration that this is fantasy land.
It would be fun to take a vote on everyone's favorite court case. It seems as if Vega & Ass. litigated one case every 2 to 3 episodes.
Oh and to know which Vega attorney was best in court??
I think those decisions have varied over the history of the form. In this case, since this series is more on the order of things like our L.A. Law from the 80's it may have been created to have the possibility of this sort of continuity. Since this season's ratings are a little higher than the first, they might be weighing the decision to make a third season against the willingness of the actors and writers to continue.
BTW,my favorite court case so far was the paternity case in Los Cabos. A close second was the sexual harassment case in New York. Good courtroom performances by all.
BTW,my favorite court case so far was the paternity case in Los Cabos. A close second was the sexual harassment case in New York. Good courtroom performances by all.
Nina--You make some good points. Nick is too strident in his, "I'm not going to criticize or malign your mother, so do whatever you want and I hope you don't fall for her game, etc. etc." How's that for mixed signals. But it might put Bobby on notice and suspicion may alter his attitude toward her, becoming even more stand-offish. If indeed she is innocent of all Nick is trying to pin on her (abandonment, secretive, scam artist, manipulative), Nick has a lot to answer for. We've only gotten tid-bits of what really happened between them, so I await the whole story before passing judgment on either parent. In this case, I say kudos to the writers.
About Nancy. We've noticed her toned down wardrobe. She used to not care if a judge and his/her whole courtroom saw her foghorns first. Now? Why? Is she being redeemed?
Niecie--So we still remain somewhat confused over the voice-mails. But who cares, it nailed Alan. I'm sure he will sing like a lark and ask Sonia for witness protection. Carlos will be next, then El Ciego. Nancy will be the one left standing to pick up the pieces. I wonder if she knows where all the money is. El Gringo will be pleased if ElCie's cartel is broken up. But, does he know Javier, Gus and Ric are on a trail that leads to him and his? Oooh, forgot about Michelle. Where does she come in, or go out?
Victoria--I agree with Urban's first choice of favorite case--there have been so many. The Los Cabos was exceedingly clever, despite using an innocent child's life for monetary gain.
Urban--I still think Juan is heading for the poor house. With regular, simple watches going for over $150 or more (excluding Timex, but their prices have gone up, too, in the last 20 years) he could easily have spent upwards of $500 US dollars for the watch he picked. We don't know if it was a Rolex, but Tat surely would have known which brands would make him "all of a lawyer."
About Nancy. We've noticed her toned down wardrobe. She used to not care if a judge and his/her whole courtroom saw her foghorns first. Now? Why? Is she being redeemed?
Niecie--So we still remain somewhat confused over the voice-mails. But who cares, it nailed Alan. I'm sure he will sing like a lark and ask Sonia for witness protection. Carlos will be next, then El Ciego. Nancy will be the one left standing to pick up the pieces. I wonder if she knows where all the money is. El Gringo will be pleased if ElCie's cartel is broken up. But, does he know Javier, Gus and Ric are on a trail that leads to him and his? Oooh, forgot about Michelle. Where does she come in, or go out?
Victoria--I agree with Urban's first choice of favorite case--there have been so many. The Los Cabos was exceedingly clever, despite using an innocent child's life for monetary gain.
Urban--I still think Juan is heading for the poor house. With regular, simple watches going for over $150 or more (excluding Timex, but their prices have gone up, too, in the last 20 years) he could easily have spent upwards of $500 US dollars for the watch he picked. We don't know if it was a Rolex, but Tat surely would have known which brands would make him "all of a lawyer."
Nina--This is the answer to your earlier question about Tatiana's disabled son. It was revealed in Season 1, early on. She was a stripper in a club when we first met her. I'm sure Urban will remember the circumstances, but wasn't she in trouble for something when Juan, investigating, found the son, nearly comatose on the bed, the nurse, the oxygen tanks. Juan then went to bat for her to keep from having the boy taken from her. We've never seen the kid again. We assume that her legitimate job permits her to have a round-the-clock care, so she can work, thanks to Juan, go to lunch and dinner with Juan, go dancing with Juan, picking out furniture with Juan, shopping for clothes and accessories with Juan....
Urban and Anita
You guys picked out some of favorites:
The Los Cabos paternity case, "Presumed Innocent", with Harrison Ford.
The way the arrogant asshole tycoon was slammed in the sexual harassment case in New York was so rewarding and reminds me so much of the 'Old Boy', Golfer's Nextwork so prevalent here in the South and which I had to deal with as a female engineer in a predominantly male environment.
If Juan is falling for Tatiana, he really is naive and stupider than I thought. How he can see beyond a criminal's lies is beyond me.
Hurray for Nick! Children grow up and usually learn the truth about the real faults, flaws, defects, etc. of the offending parent and the true reason for the divorce. Bad mouthing the offending partner usually does no good except making a child more rebellious and defiant.
I would have loved to have had a round-the-clock caretaker for my kids like Tatiana has for her disabled son. That is one storyline where the writers dropped the ball.
If I remember correctly, they were investigating Tatiana in relation to Patricia's murder as they were part of an 'escort' ring servicing Carlos, Alan, and others.
You guys picked out some of favorites:
The Los Cabos paternity case, "Presumed Innocent", with Harrison Ford.
The way the arrogant asshole tycoon was slammed in the sexual harassment case in New York was so rewarding and reminds me so much of the 'Old Boy', Golfer's Nextwork so prevalent here in the South and which I had to deal with as a female engineer in a predominantly male environment.
If Juan is falling for Tatiana, he really is naive and stupider than I thought. How he can see beyond a criminal's lies is beyond me.
Hurray for Nick! Children grow up and usually learn the truth about the real faults, flaws, defects, etc. of the offending parent and the true reason for the divorce. Bad mouthing the offending partner usually does no good except making a child more rebellious and defiant.
I would have loved to have had a round-the-clock caretaker for my kids like Tatiana has for her disabled son. That is one storyline where the writers dropped the ball.
If I remember correctly, they were investigating Tatiana in relation to Patricia's murder as they were part of an 'escort' ring servicing Carlos, Alan, and others.
I just looked through the recaps from Season 1 to answer the question about Tatiana. It was in Episode 47. She later identified Pedro, who was framed for the crime.
Tatiana has a son who was ill in Season 1 and was briefly hospitalized, I believe, but he was not hooked up to oxygen tanks. That was a different kid from Season 2, the one whose Mom beguiled her lover into shooting the doctor.
I realized that yesterday when I went hunting through last year's photos. Tatiana's son has something chronic and he was under treatment and said to be improving. I don't think there was any surgery involved.
Too many kids, too little time on screen to remember. Thanks for adding the second kid, Blue. It makes more sense now.
Urban, I just reread Episode 47, thanks. It's hard to believe I was actually re-reading it. It jiggled no brain cells at all. But at least we know where Tatiana was coming from. Her id of Pedro was not as a murderer, then, but only that he was Tatiana's fiancé. Something else must have convicted him.
Pedro started stalking her, and that was kind of a mistake. It's all starting to come back...ha ha, just kidding; about 10% of it came back, and that's as good as it gets.
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