Saturday, January 10, 2009

Tontas no Van #26 Friday 1/9. If I'm Abel, I'll be your Candy Cain

We begin at the Institute, where Meño wants to talk to Candy alone. He wants her to kick Gregoria out, saying that things in Meño and Suegrita’s past make it impossible for them to get along. But Candy tells him it’s his past, but now we’re in the present, and by keeping Gregoria in the house, it’s less likely she’ll let the secret out. Meño says shes rude, annoying and this morning she even said my sheets looked like lady tiger sheets! He vents some more, and Candy tells him he’s right, her Mom is all that, but she is still her Mom, so she loves her. But she loves Meño too, he took her in when no one else would. He thinks anyone with a heart would have. But, she says, not everyone has a heart that beats like yours. And you’re more than just an uncle, for me now, you’re my father, and I love you a lot. Meño tears up and they hug.

Remember how Pat got that note, to meet him in a hotel? He thought it had to be from Soledad, and as he arrives at the hotel, he calls Sole on the phone, saying he’s coming up to the room. But she didn’t leave the note, she’s not waiting in any hotel, and he’s 2 days late with this week’s dinero. And next time you come to pick up Beto, just wait outside the door. Oooooy. Well, Pat’s not upset, he thinks, okay, not Soledad, it must be…… Alicia.

Meño is giving Candy some advice. She should stop the lies. If she tells the truth to Pat, all the lying could stop. Besides, how can she help others in the Institute, when she’s not being open. He, Meño tries to tell the truth. For example, he hates her mother. But, replies Candy, it’s hard for her (Candy) to tell the truth sometimes. She just keeps her feelings to herself. However, starting today, she’ll say just what she thinks. Do you swear, asks Meño? Yes, I swear, and by the way, your green shirt looks horrible. (Yes, I think she’s on the right track).

Santi is perusing the sex-ed book for Lucía, and doesn’t like what he sees. They keep having pictures of naked men, and he’s been tearing them out, so Lucía won’t see them. And then the book tells you how to put on a cond…. It’s pure pornography, he thinks. Lucía is only about 5 or 6, she’s a child, she can’t be allowed to leave the house. He calls his Mom. “Don’t let Lucía out of the house. Tie her to the bed if you have to!” Hortensia comes in, sees all the pictures of naked men on the desk.. Hort can’t believe, after all the time she was ringing that bell, now he’s bored with women! He’s so handsome, and well, of course she won’t breathe a word to Marissa, now that Santi’s coming out of the closet!

Lulu wants Candy to tell her the truth (and remember, Candy has just sworn to do just that). Lulu stands up, sucks in her tummy a little, and asks if she’s attractive, despite her little bit of extra weight? Did her photo actually scare away Candy’s ex? She wants the truth. After Meño swoops by to remind Candy of her promise, she tells Lulu, that, well, yes you’re a little over in kilos, love doesn’t come in sizes, and beauty comes from the eyes and the heart. And it’s important how you feel about yourself. Still being sincere, Candy tells Lulu that Lulu also talks a little too much, and she keeps wanting any man, but she only needs one. Lulu isn’t thrilled with this honesty, and excuses herself to go be depressed for a bit. Meño comes back, and after Candy leaves, Lulu asks Meño if she could make the ham sweat (sudar el jamón, apparently it means to exercise to lose weight, although one reference said it was just a cooking term, like steaming the ham). Meño asks if she means pork ham or turkey ham, and Lulu says both. Meño says maybe instead of making the ham sweat, she should stop eating it.

Hortensia and Leti, the other assistant (looking quite nice in a low cut red dress) are looking at the naked men pictures Santi tore out of the sex-ed book. Interestingly, the pictures look like Chippendale’s dancers. I’m not sure why they were in the book. But the ladies like them, and Santi tells them they can’t keep them, they have to throw them out. Candy comes in and has fun looking at the photos. Santi says of course as this is a medical office, we have pictures of men as well as women for our studies. As you know we’re… he can’t think of the word, and says we’re bisexual. Hort corrects him, you mean unisex. Oh, right.

Anyway, Candy came to tell him “the truth”. They go to his office. She says she’s decided to tell everybody what she’s really thinking. Santi’s happy about this until she says he’s a coward. He has these beautiful words, but how can he say them to her, while going out with another woman? How can he breathe for Candy, but kiss Marissa? Santi says the truth is I want to make love to you. Candy says she’ll scream, but Santi corners her, and tells her that he loves her, she loves him, he wants to make love, right here, right now. Candy bites her lip, as we cut to….

The hotel, where Pat has come to meet the lady of the note, whom he has correctly guessed is Alicia. He enters the room, calls her name, and she sensuously shushes him from the other room.

Santi and Candi kiss, with beautiful music in the background. Just then, Mari comes in to the outer office. Hortensia has to keep her out of the inner office, so she starts praising Marissa, wondering how she keeps her body so firm, her hair (chinos – curls) is so cute, she looks like a lamb in the meadow (un borrego en pradera), her eyes are so blue, by the way does she want some tea? While Mari is distracted, we see Candy is glowing from the kiss, and Santiago is feeling proud, until Candy says she hopes he’ll pardon her, then kicks him in the (being a man, I can’t tell you where)! I guess this was good timing, because Mari walks in right at that point, and Candy tells her that the best man is a tired man, because if you tire them out, they can’t get tired with another woman. Santi is still in pain, trying to squeak out a few words in his now soprano voice, Candy strides out looking as if she has just done a good deed, hoping that Mari can “tire out” Santi with some loving, but Mari looks a bit confused, Candy rings the bell on the way out to help the lovers, and Isabel walks into the outer office, only to be immediately hustled right back out, Candy dragging her out to have a cup of coffee, as the doctor is “busy”.

In the hotel, Alicia enters the bedroom and is dressed in a white wedding dress and veil. Pat wants to know what’s going on, she looks like Candy. Alicia says she IS Candy. But isn’t that a little perverse, asks Pat? You like it, no? responds Alicia. She tells Pat to call her Candy, as they embrace and sink down into the covers.

Back in the consultorio, Mari isn’t exactly following the idea Candy had when she left. Mari’s a little sad and worried, and tells Santi she doesn’t want to be a prison sentence (condena) or like a prison cell (celda). She doesn’t want them to stay together just because they’re good in bed, business partners, his daughter likes her….. she loves him, and if he doesn’t really love her, and doesn't want to get married, he should leave her. She just wants him to be happy, and she would give him his freedom. He tells her not to cry and hugs her, but she’s not reassured.

Candy has brought Isabel to her office for coffee. Isabel doesn’t take any sugar in her coffee, she drinks it black, good coffee doesn’t need anything else (I agree), she learned it from her deceased husband. Oh, the Papá of Doctor Plastico, interjects Candy, then apologizes. Isabel doesn’t mind, it’s amusing. But Candy wants to ask a question. Anything except my age, says Isabel. Okay, was your husband a womanizer? Isabel says that all men are womanizers until they find the one woman for them, the woman of their life.
That’s what happened with Isabel’s husband. But what about Santiago? Isabel thinks he’s the same, a womanizer until he finds that one woman. Well, says Candy, he just has to find her. Isabel says she thinks Santi already has. Candy blushes, then changes the subject. Does Isabel really want to be a partner in the Institute? (I guess the other day, Isa said she did). After all, it is capitalism, would Isabel be okay with that? Sure, you can count on me, Isabel reassures her, but there are 2 conditions: First, Marissa, Candy and Isabel are going to buy furniture for the Institute, and second, Candy is invited to dinner at Isabel’s tomorrow night.

Post-fantasy-tryst Pat is lying in bed with the wedding veil on his head. That was weird, he thinks. Alicia comes back into the room, dressed in a few towels, and says wasn’t that exciting? Pat thinks it’s dangerous. But Alicia says that she’s not jealous of Candy, since Candy’s dead, so if she has to dress up like Candy to keep Pat’s love, she’ll continue doing it, why not? Oh, and by the way, we’re going to a special dinner tonight, with a special guest. Who’s the guest? Alicia tells Pat she wants him to invite Pat’s son (Beto), since she wants to be a part of that side of Pat’s life, too. (I have to give it to Alicia, she’s definitely putting up a good fight for her marriage). She hands confused Pat the cell phone, telling him three times to dial the number.

Ocotlan, Jalisco. Isabel, Marissa and Candi are furniture shopping in a picturesque shop filled with antiques. They see a cute little bed with an awning that looks like a sombrero, and joke about using it for therapy at the Institute. Isabel tells them that just because she’s contributing money, they don’t have to follow her rules, but she does feel the furniture at the Institute now lacks a little something. Candy and Marissa say that they have the desire, but maybe not the funds. Isabel says that here in Ocotlan you can find unique furniture for low prices (sounds like a little PSA from the Mexico travel bureau to me). They peruse the shop’s offerings.

Chayo is asking Hortensia when Santi will be finished with his patient. Chayo’s very nervous, and keeps grabbing pencils, papers, and other items from Hort’s desk. She can’t decide whether to ask for the operation or not, she’s just about to leave when Santiago comes out with an oversized woman, telling the woman to call for her preop results. When the woman leaves, Santi furtively wipes his hands off, apparently having been grossed out by her. He then quickly greets Chayo, and they go back to his office, as Hortensia implores him not to ring the bell, thinking Santi has absolutely no scruples.

Candy’s lying barefoot on her tummy on her bed at home, working on her column on the laptop computer with the big picture of apples on the cover. Her Mom comes in. Gregoria is concerned about Chava. Shouldn’t he know about his Papa? He shouldn’t live like an orphan. Candy says she’s trying to do the right thing, but she thinks if Pat found out, he’d take Chava from her. Gregoria says Pat’s no monster. Maybe not, replies Candy, but you and I are different. You pardon these things, I can’t. Mom replies that Pat won’t forget Candy. Well Candy won’t forget Pat, he was her first love, but now she’s met a man, who makes her feel things, and she’s confused. Is she in love? Of course not! Well, adds Gregoria, it turns out that Patricio and your sister are not happy. They suffer because of you. Pat can’t forget you. That monster you think Pat is, loves only you.

Chayo and Santi talk. After he puts down the Institute a bit, she returns to the topic at hand, the breast enhancement. Santi tells her of course he can do the operation, and he’ll talk to Ed about it. Chayo is relieved and happy, wants to hug him, but he thinks it’s better if they hug from afar.

Beto’s eating ice cream with sugar wafers in a restaurant with Ali and Pat. He doesn’t eat out much with his ma, because it’s expensive. Ali proposes that Pat and she can take him to a different restaurant each weekend, all right? Beto loves it, and the three have a mini sword fight with the ice-cream covered cookies.

Boys club. Zamora’s passing out the tequila, saying that next week he can’t come because he has to visit his cousin, Oxigeno. Your cousin is named Oxigeno? What was your uncle thinking? It wasn’t his uncle, rather the doctor. When the boy was born, he came out a little sick, and the doctor said your son is sick, we have to give him oxygen. And Oxigeno he remained. That’s why! (I think it was funnier in Spanish). Meanwhile, Santi’s trying to hook up the dvd player, and is repeatedly getting shocked. Hector tells the guys he just spent the night with a hot chick (we know it was Alicia) from years ago, and this time she didn’t charge him (I hope I didn’t mishear this, but it sounded as if Alicia might have been a call girl back then)! He knew her six years ago, but now she must be really bored with her husband. The guys are impressed, as Santiago remarks that connecting the dvd was harder than a cardiac monitor. While the rest of the boys go to watch something (sports, I think), Raúl and Santiago go off to have another chat/turf battle.

Knock, knock. Chava answers the door, it’s Chayo. Candy scolds Chava for answering the door, but sends him to bed with a kiss. Chayo and Candy sit down to talk. Chayo’s a little embarrassed to tell Candy, but for a long time, she’s been considering the bubi thing. She knows all the beauty from the inside, the self esteem, but…..But, adds Candy, you want the quick and easy way you think will make you look better. Chayo wants to win back her husband Ed, and thinks this will do it. And why is Candy so against plastic surgery? Candy relates how her sister Veronica died in the operating room from a botched liposuction.

Back to the guys, as Raúl tells Santi that since his wife died, Candy is the first woman with whom he felt a true connection. In fact he’s totally in love with Candy. In the background, Zamora wants to know if Santi gives medical advice. Zamora’s hair is falling out. How can he save it? Santi tells him to ask Ed. Ed says all you need is this little box. That’ll save my hair? Yeah, save your hair in that box!

Candy is telling Chayo about Veronica. Veronica was a little overweight (pasada de peso), but she was cute, healthy, had lots of projects. She wanted to be a kindergarten teacher. But instead of dieting, she decided to have the lipo, to lose the weight. A quack doctor did the operation, and she died. Candy had tried to advise Veronica not to do it, but she wouldn’t listen. Candy’s sister Alicia had supported Veronica’s choice. Your sister, asks Chayo? Yes, she’s married to Patricio. He’s always sad, he married Alicia without really loving her, I think he actually loves me. Whoa, great gossip, says Chayo, forget about my little fuss, tell me more! No, forget it, I’m not telling you anything, you just need to know that operations have risks, really, they do.

As Santi gets home, Isabel is worried, and says someone should talk to Lucía. Isa heard Luci’s friends talking about “the first time”!. Of course, Santi has a fit, what’s he going to do, he told Hort to throw out that book, now what?

We see Candy talking on the phone to Raúl, asking him to do her a favor.

It’s the next morning. Candy asks Hort to see Santi. He’s busy, and every time you come in, says Hort, you make my poor boss’s hair stand on end (dejar los pelos de punta, can also mean to send shivers down his spine). Santi comes out with a male patient, and after the patient leaves, Candy wants to talk. Hort warns her that Santi’s busy, waving her finger. Santi says what kind of manners are those, waving your fingers like a flamenco dancer? As Candy walks to the office, Santi ogles her behind, and Hort begs him not to ring the bell. But he, feeling like a bullfighter, hopes to do just that. However, in the office, Candy is serious. She was talking to Chayo, thinking of her sister, and she wants to know if a patient could die in breast surgery. Santi sits her down, and says yes, there is a long list of complications, even including death, in any operation, but it’s very unlikely. He understands her worry about her sister, because he also lost a sister. But not to medical negligence, she adds. How do you know it was medical negligence, he asks? Her sister was left alone, with no post-op info, there were complications, and the doctor just disappeared, and was never heard from again. Santi says maybe she should pardon the doctor, because after all these years, it will bring her some peace. She agrees generally, but in this case, she can never pardon.

Gregoria is in Pat’s office. She asks him, Are you happy with Alicia? After a little dodging, he admits that he’s not happy, and neither is Alicia. She’s trying to save the marriage, but it’s not working. Well, Patito, says Suegrita, I can help you..

Isabel tells Tina the maid that Jaime wanted to talk to Santi (I guess to “ask for Isabel’s hand”), but she wasn’t ready for that, and now Jaime has disappeared, as if the earth swallowed him up. Well, did you make love to him, asks Tina? None of your business, how dare you ask that, I should fire you, but no, we didn’t, the last time I made love was with my husband. Tina just wanted to know because sometimes when you give the men dessert, they eat, then leave. And she can’t even remember all her men. But if she had one like Jaime, she’d never let him go, especially since he’s a pianist. Why does that matter? inquires Isabel. Well, they say that pianists have “magic hands”!

Soledad praises Beto’s reading, asks him about the dinner with his Papá. Beto liked the food, but he doesn’t want Pat as his father, because he has a father. And the man’s wife was there, and wants Beto to call her Mommy, but he doesn’t want to, he already has a Mommy.

Pat asks Gregoria how she could possibly help. She says she knows what it’s like to be in a loveless marriage, so maybe Pat and Alicia should get divorced. Pat says, I can’t. He takes out a note Alicia wrote a few months ago, saying she’d kill herself if they divorced. He doesn’t know if he can believe it, but he can’t take the chance of being responsible for another death. Another death? Yes, he says, I killed Candy. It was my fault. She died of sadness.. Gregoria says I don’t know about that, and I know divorce is a sin, but I keep thinking, if you and Alicia are unhappy, you should separate, maybe a miracle could happen, and you could be happy.

Santi and Candi hug. He’s comforting her about her sister. The soothing music plays. But then he just can’t help kissing her forehead, her eyes, her mouth….Hold it! Music stops comically, Candy jumps up, marches out, can’t believe Santi only thinks of one thing, all men are the same. With perfect timing, Raúl enters the office. Santi says what great timing to see you, amigo. Candy says, no, he came to see ME. She embraces Raúl, and says to him, Mi amor, didn’t you tell Santi that we’re novios!

Previews: Pat comes to the restaurant and sees Lulu. He asks her, who is Rojiblanca? Take me to her right now!

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Hello there! everyone. I haven't comment for a while here, but have been watching this novela. Thanks for the great recap, Hombre de Misterio.

I just want to say that I just love Jaime as Santiago. He is so funny and cute. He and Candy are so good together even when they are fighting. They are meant to be together. I am rooting for him to eventually be together with Candy forever. I like Valentino Lanus in other novelas he has done, but his character in this novela is not so faithful.

I also love Meño, Isabel, and Chava. They do a good job. I like watching them.

I have one question: Alicia had a recorder when she was trying to seduce Patricio. What did she asked him to say? I didn't get this. I would appreciate it if someone comment about this.

Genevieve
 

I loved those scenes with Santi tearing up the book with the "Porn" pictures and then flipping out at the mention of the first time. The character is totally endearing in his reactions to anything to do with his little girls.

I thought that scene with Pat and Alicia cum Candy was creepy in the extreme. Not just that she would do it but that he would fall slobbering into bed with her. Talk about a strange relationship.

Gregoria is some piece of work. She spends a chunk of time encouraging Alicia to do what she must to save her marriage, then goes on and on to Candy about how much Pat loves her. Now she is doing her level best to undercut Alicia's marriage. I guess in her eyes the perfect thing for her own comfort would be to get Pat and Candy back together. Then she can be sure there will be a steady flow of dinero and Candy who isn't as street wise as Alicia would funnel more pesos to her devoted Mommy. Gag me!

I will admit the scene of Alicia Pat and Beto was cute. I wonder if she would be so willng to accept Chava when that bombshell arrives.
 

Good job, Hombre d'M. Good detail; you illuminated some things I missed. I loved the Oxygen joke. (I'm so pleased with myself when I understand a joke in Spanish.) Sven was playing with the verb poner, which is also used for naming someone. So the doctor said, "Tuve que ponerlo Oxygen" - I had to give him, or name him, oxygen. Sounds like Sven's uncle is even dumber than Ole!

Several very disturbing things in this cap. I'll ignore those for now, and jump to something funny. When Santiago is looking at the shirtless men, there is one photo that's totally different. See this screenshot. All the others are Chippendale chest shots in color. But one is B+W, headshot, apparantly clothed, but obscured by the other picture. Can you guess who it is?
 

My guess is it's Dr. Plastico himself. Am I right?
 

I kind of thought they same thing myself or else since they like inside jokes maybe it was his dad.
 

Love that punster title Hombre. Who knew? You've kept that tendancy under wraps until now.

Thanks for another smooth recap with some great vocabulary help. Much appreciated.

So many mixed messages in this telenovela. Beauty is inside, but heavy people are dissed regularly, especially that poor unsuspecting woman who exited Santiago's office. And how would you like to be the actress who was given that role? I dunno. Not good.

Gregoria is a puzzle also. She really moved me with her warmth and excitement over having a grandson. The scene between her and Chava was sweet. But her treatment of Meño was off-putting and I also disliked Candy's manipulation of him. She softened his heart by calling him her papa so then of course he couldn't keep asking her to kick "mom" out...not if his daughter didn't want to. Ugh.

Waiting to like Candy. Hasn't happened yet.
 

What a very clever title.

Genevieve, do you mean after Patricio and Alicia were finished? She was handing him his cell phone and telling him to call his son so they could take him to dinner. The whole dressing up as Candy thing creeped me out. But as Hombre noted, you can't say Alicia's not trying hard to keep her man.

I feel like I'm finally beginning to recognize the characters. As Emilia pointed out with so many boy names ending in "a" and girl names ending in"o" it's been hard to keep them all straight.

Yesterday someone mentioned something about Valentino Lanus being very good looking but there is something odd about him. Last night it occurred to me that maybe it's his hair. It kind of looks like a helmet and it almost always looks exactly the same.

Poor Beto, two men asking him to call him papa and now a nearly total stranger wants him to call her mama. Alicia's kind of a train wreck. My feeling from the first episode was that maybe she had been some sort of a call girl at one time. Not sure if it's because she acted like one or what but Hector's comment certainly points in that direction. He's a slimeball.

Thanks Hombre! It's a terrific recap and I appreciate your translating and clarifying the jokes. I'm with Paula, if I can understand a joke in Spanish I feel proud, so good for you!
 

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Gold star for Emilia. Yes, the photo is our Dr Plastico.
 

Great recap Thanks So Much. Sylvia I think what you are seeing as "odd" is his right ear which is sometimes distractive. It seems to be bent forward more than the right, so when photographed at 3/4 view it looks perfectly as normal as his left. But when photographed in profile it looks very "odd" indeed. I first thought it was his hair causing an illusion, but it happens enough that I really don't think so.
 

Thanks for the recap Hombre (and your ones for the past two weeks as well...I was behind and read these recently).

I still think I'm watching this so I can chat with you all and see Jaime Camil. There are so few likable characters. While I don't hate Candy, she is hard to take. Thankfully I do enjoy most of her scenes with Santi.

Alicia is too much of a mess. It seems she's trying anything -- affairs, being her sister, whatever. And the new twist that she may have been a prostitute is not helping her. Moreover, she didn't have a lot of help with her dear mother -- what a family.
 

I don't like Patricio's hair either. It looks all smushed, like it hasn't been washed. I'm sure it HAS been washed, but it just sits flat. (I can sympathize.) I never even noticed his ear!
 

Alicia is something, but I can't blame her totally. Patricio, or "blow in my ear and I'll follow you anywhere" is just as wierd. I really enjoy the scenes with Santi and Candy. He is so expressive and fun to watch. Once again a great recap, and fun to read.

Liena, FL
 

Okay...weighing in on Patricio's hair. I like it. I think it is really really curly. So curly the best thing to do is just keep it really short. So he does.

There were early indications that Alicia was a call girl (other than the way she acted! on the wedding night).

At some point her mother said to her (in the aftermath of the wedding I believe) "Don't think I don't know what you were doing in Tiajuana!" So that's when I figured she was a pro. A high-priced pro to be sure...but a pro.

No problem with Patricio's ear either. These quirks and imperfections are what makes a face interesting or endearing to me.

Oh alright...I'm a sucker for an actor who plays affectionate father so well. That "still" of him hugging both his boys knocked me out.

Welcome Liena in Fl and welcome back! Karen. We've missed you.
 

Can't spend time with a second novela this go 'round, but Hombre I saw that title and had to comment. That was a winner!
 

I'm surprised that no one has commented on Santiago's "approach" to Candy in his office.
 

I'll comment on Santiago's approach to Candy in the office. It was totally selfish and insensitive. The writers seem to be making all the males on this show clueless as to what women are thinking. If this show were reality, it would seem that Candy's right, that all men want only one thing. Even Isabel's friend Jaime is in a hurry to get married, maybe because he thinks that's the only way he'll get sex! Patricio of course is pretty much led by the nose by every woman he meets. Even though he's mean to Alicia, he still doesn't reject her sexual advances.

And Santiago, while claiming to be so IN LOVE with Candy, has been hurting both Candy and Marissa through his insensitivity. And he doesn't have any idea this is happening.

The Abandonados are all portrayed as juvenile guys, only interested in sex, sports and drinking (just what Candy writes). We haven't seen anything one way or the other with Raul, but I'd be surprised if they portray him differently from the others.

So overall, I'm not happy with the way the show is portraying the male characters. But I'm hopeful that at least SOME of the guys will wake up, and be a little more like the well adjusted, sensitive men who exist in real life.
 

Super title Hombre!!! Very very clever!!!!

Great job at the recap and spelling out details very simply.

And yes I'm sure the PSA was deliberate. Probably more of the "film it in Guad" scandal.

Well done. You are a pro for sure!
 

Hombre: Thank you for the terrific recap.

Something upset me during the show and I just can't get past it: "... she’s just about to leave when Santiago comes out with an oversized woman, telling the woman to call for her preop results. When the woman leaves, Santi furtively wipes his hands off, apparently having been grossed out by her."

I believe the woman in question hugged him and he hugged her back, afterward wiping his hands. What a terrible, insensitive and just plain cruel thing to do. Here is someone putting her faith and trust in a physician, however, this "professional" makes no effort to hide his disgust at her appearance. Perhaps if the clientele disgusts him so, he should stop performing bariatric surgery.

What was the purpose of that scene? Was that supposed to be funny? If so, it's very sad that the last acepptable form of prejudice seems to be at people of size.

Judy, I wasn't at all surprised to see that you picked up on this too: "...Beauty is inside, but heavy people are dissed regularly, especially that poor unsuspecting woman who exited Santiago's office. And how would you like to be the actress who was given that role? I dunno. Not good."

To the writers and to Santiago and to Jaime: Blech. Diana in MA
 

Judy and Diana ITA with you about the plus sized actress hugging Santi and the overall treatment of "beauty" in this novela. It's beyond problematic and isn't funny. ITA with Hombre that men are portrayed rather wretchedly here as well. Perhaps its this combination along with difficult to like lead characters that makes this novela hard to really like. I know comedy can tread a fine line b/t funny and offensive but many characterizations here are just not funny.
 

Diana, I totally agree. That was only one of several very disturbing scenes Friday.

1. Alone in the office, Santiago shouts at Candy, "Te voy a hacer el amor! (I WILL make love with you!)" as he unbuttons his shirt. We have a word for that method of "seduction."

2. Alicia's meeting with Pat borders on necrophelia.

3. Alicia is willing to continue to take on Candy's persona, if that's what it takes. Pat calls it perverse.

4. Not only is Santiago grossed out by the overweight woman. I believe we never see her face and never hear a name. She's a non-person. Her identity is "a fat woman."

One more point. Did you hear Candy tell Meño he needs to let go of problems from the past (re: Suegrita). WHAT? Next thing you know, Candy will be offering counseling for those with anorexia!
 

Paula and Karen, thank you! I'm glad others feel the same. Cruelty (espeically for laughs) should never be tolerated.

Paula, your comments were dead on and eloquently stated. Not one of the finer episodes of this telenova. I'm getting discouraged by the insensitivty and misdirected "humor". Diana in MA
 

Totally agree with the latest comments but I do believe we did see the overweight person's face...a perfectly ordinary nice face, blonde hair. But treated like dirt...literally.

Not funny, writers.
 

There is so much genuinely funny stuff in this novela, I don't understand why they gutter-wallow with the cruel stuff to try to get a few cheap laughs. Surely they could fill those few minutes another way and stop mocking the overweight so meanly.

It's nothing about Lanus's looks per se that I find a bit off, I guess it's just some of his facial expressions. He's a bit louche.

I really enjoyed the humorous recap, HdM. You are a masterful recapper.
 

ALERT! Tonight, 9:00 (or maybe 10:00?), Univision. Cristina show. TBLMOE, aka Fernando Colunga.
 

10:00 east coast time, after Fuego. It just might end up being the high point of my day. :)
 

Great recap hombre.

I understand what everyone is saying about the non pc moments, but the way we have sanitized things in this country, it's almost refreshing to see people acting badly (just like real life). They protect us from so much on TV it's getting ridiculous. I actually think it educates people on how crappy it is to act like that. Just my opinion.
 

It just occurred to me that the cruel behavior of Santiago and others is reminiscent of LFMB, which as we know had the same producer as Tontas. In that show, Don Fernando and Omar were initially quite cruel to women, especially to Leti. But over the course of the show, they changed. Maybe the producer is going to show the audience that although many people start with prejudices against "overweight" people, gays, etc., they can change. Ojalá.
 

Thanks to Sylvia and Hombre for some masterful recaps! I’m a little late on this one (again), so here go my comments:

Sylvia, No, a waiters’ union scam did not appear Frijolito (though it could have been from another TN one of the writers worked on as it was so random). They did have a pair of friends (mariachis), one taller with a mustache who liked all women (and was always coming up with “get rich quick” schemes – though he would never scam his buddy), and one shorter that loved the female lead; but they were brighter than our current pair. Mom giving her son a famous soccer player’s picture and the term “Doña Mentiras” are from Frijolito though.

I think the “abandonado” that Alicia slept with was Pato’s friend who arranged the prostitute for the bachelor party. Over in Acapulco they mentioned the fact that he and Alicia had a quick thing many years before the wedding, right before she ran off to Tijuana, and he tried to get her to sleep with him after Candy’s wedding, but she told him she was leaving town right after the wedding, so nothing came of it back then. Then again I might have both guys mixed up.

Emilia – Chava is short for Salvador which is has an “o” towards the end, but there are definitely female names that end in “o.” Normally Zamora is a last name, so it could be that he just got someone’s last name as a first name. The only “a” name I can think of for a guy at the moment is “María,” which is usually part of a compound name like “José María.”
Hombre: I think Soledad is the bookeeper and she did have a chat with Meño about needing some income to pay the institute bills. She might not be drawing in much of a salary herself though, as she also mentioned she and Beto can live on what Jorge and Patricio give her, and Marissa’s already rich, but everyone else needs to draw a salary.

Deb – there is no Spanish for “what goes around comes around.” The closest thing I can think of is “El que la hace la paga” (he/she who did it must pay for it). IOW, “You made your bed, now lie in it” – and in Alicia’s case, that reference would be extra appropriate.

Paula – the making of tamales depends on whether or not you plan to throw a “Candelaria” party. You can always cheat and buy them pre-made. I know Target has some from their Archer Farms brand (who would have thunk it?) as does Goya, which you can get at many grocery stores. Both are frozen. You can also check with your local Mexican restaurant to see if they cater. If you want to make them, I’d check to see if your local store carries MaSeCa as it sometimes has a recipe. For folks who don’t throw the Candelaria party, they use the baby to determine who buys the rosca the following year, so you could wait a year and throw an epiphany party ;)

Rhonda – ITA about Donato and Isabel. I know he’s worked for her for ages and I was surprised when he hinted she was older than him (not that it should matter too much) and therefore they could never date. Still, the way they pick on each other, you know there’s something there... Having said that, it also looks like they might put him together with the maid (Tina), so maybe Isabel will end up with Jaime after all.

By the by, Santi lost a brother, not a sister. Still, he was able to empathize with Candy about losing a sibling until he got all creepy and tried to get in some action. Bad Santi!

On our TBLMOE thread, I think Colunga, Camil, and Yañez are all very attractive, but none of them do it for me. Incidentally, EY did make some TNs where his character had a brain, but the only ones I know of where from over a decade ago. But, I digress; I think Eugenio Siller (Guapos) is probably my top choice (his acting is not of the caliber of some of our other galanes yet, but he’s not bad) closely followed by Christian Meier (DB and Zorro on Telemundo) and Mario Cimarro (PdG, LT, ECDD, all on Telemundo). I think William Levy is also quite attractive, though he doesn’t strike me as terribly bright (but maybe it’s just the way he plays his characters) and Sebastian Rulli (also in Pasion, and in “Gancho al Corazon which I seriously hope is the what follows Tontas). What can I say? With the exception of Cimarro, I tend to go for the Aryan ones (even the Jew I married is a little Aryan with those lovely grey eyes... sorry I’m digressing again). I have to agree on Cesar Evora – he has a wicked charm and I’ve always been a sucker for a deep voice.
 

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