Thursday, February 26, 2009
MEPS, 7/26 - Barbara Continues Her Black Magic
Ladies and gentlemen, here is chapter 4 of this so far somewhat bland novela. We all know it will get very complicated and that the body count will keep increasing and that our star-crossed would-be lovers will be tortured, etc. Anyway – please, if you have some factual or historical information, please show up and bring it. Photos are even better – I don’t have any.
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We begin with yesterday’s scene in which Lili talks to the cook and tells her she overheard Barbara talking to Artemio Bravo. Barbara calls Lili a drug addict and warns her that she is capable of anything, and if she let’s the cat out of the bag, her son is in danger and that she will be watched night and day. And the rest of the Elisaldes will have the same fate as Montserrat – death. Nobody is find out about Artemio Bravo.
Quarter moon rising and we’re at Monty’s funeral. Soledad comforts the kids, Daddy cries – Barb watches and gives out bad vibes. Meanwhile, Lili is in a straight jacket tied up in a bed somewhere.
We now have a complete change of scene – we’re transported to a gym class and non other than Padre Bosco calls out Ed’s name. They embrace, but the good Padre tells him that his mom won’t be able to visit him as frequently as promised. Boy looks shocked.
Toluca – 1992 – Soledad gives the goodby blessing to Fer – the other kids are all crying. Barb looks so smug as Fernanda is escorted to the plane and dumb daddy looks happy. Now in Madrid – we know that because we hear flamenco music. Looks like a girl’s school – little Ferdanda is on the lawn dreaming of Ed – she dreams him into a real person – he’s supposed to be dreaming of her. They’re co-dreamers.
At her house, Soledad receives letters addressed to Ed from Fer. But she says these letters can’t reach their destination.
Looks like Barb and Daddy got married – I hear wedding music. He looks so happy, and she looks cold and smug. Part 2 of the big plan has succeeded.
At Pueblo – Soledad prays about the situation between the patron and the murderess and her problem with Ed – she has to keep her mouth shut. Sole feels like Barb’s accomplice because she’s kept her mouth shut. And, she accepts whatever punishment the Virgin Mary imposes upon her. She’s at Mary’s mercy.
Soledad looks at the letters again – she has two boxes. One box is marked with “Fernanda” and the other marked “Eduardo”. All these years she has hidden the letters in these boxes.
Harvard - The big boys are practicing football. We know the good looking one is Ed because he has the magic medal. Of course, it’s TMBMOE. Later he’s in church praying. We know that because he’s in church and is moving his lips.
It’s now 2007 and Fernanda is receiving her diploma. Barbara looks disgusted. Fer dedicates her success to her mother and nana Soledad. Soledad is very happy – who is the guy with the scraggly hair. Daddy’s real proud of her – he’s got a job for her in the company as a director in her specialty. It was Barbara’s idea – can you believe it. We know Barb’s older ‘cause her hair is messy. Fernanda can’t wait to get started.
2007 – Eduardo is giving his dissertation? And, he is congratulated – must have been a good one. Ed graduated summa cum laude – redhead Steve, his friend, is ready to party. (Just an aside – Steve was Dr. Brown in Como Agua para chocolate.) But Ed is serious, and he wants to get going. Ed reminisces that the day his mother sent him off he tried to do good. He got a scholarship to Harvard – something his mother deserves – now he can marry Fernanda. The two of them are just a pair of workaholics.
Current time: Fernanda carries on with Margarita about all the things they've seen in the country. Fernanda is wearing a straw hat, boots and jeans and seems to be in charge. She’s just a country girl educated in Spain. She is greeted with respect as she goes in the building. Barbara is talking to mystery man and reports that everything is going as planned – she’s still responsible for destroying the Elisalde family. Damian is part of the plan – he stole Fer’s heart. She says that Fernanda’s spouse is going to be the catalyst the starts the downward spiral of the family.
Fer walks in greeting everyone – and asks for daddy who is in his office. Barbara and Anibal are talking company policy. Anibal is apparently interested in a new plant – Daddy has aged. Fer hugs and kisses everyone. Fer apparently actually likes Barbara. What a fool. Daddy wants a report – Fer tells her how well received they were in the country. The Elisaldes are going to contribute to the growth of a product of their state. Apparently not a money maker, but good press. Daddy – at Barbara’s direction – tells Anibal that Fer is in charge of developing artisan products, etc. Fer claps and hugs daddy.
An aged Sole who is now sick and couphing is walking and comes upon a grown up Jacinto who is on a bike – she keeps on about minding her own business. Sole doesn’t want help from anyone. J tells her that he’s heard from Ed – she reminds him not to talk to her about it. J is exasperated – so am I.
New York – Sinatra introduces us to Ed who keeps saying manana – that finally after 15 years he’s going to return to his country. He remembers his mother’s words and kisses Fer’s medal again. Times have changed mama – he now has a future to offer Fer. Enter Steve who speaks in Spanish and English – Ed tells Steve that he’s going to Mexico tomorrow – Steve gives him his card with his numbers – and says he’d like to meet his mother and girlfriend and not to marry without letting him know and that this gringo wants to be best man at his wedding. Ed says – there’s no other woman for him. Is he in for a surprise.
Fer has lots to do, her secretary is taking many notes. In walks guy with glasses and moustache – I wonder if he breaks phones. He and Fer kiss – they’re planning a wedding – he says that with Barbara’s help everything will turn out great – Fer has some reservations – she seems to be pulling away from Damian – Fer insists she has to solve work-related problems, and he says he’ll go wherever she goes.
Back at the E’s hacienda – Sole is coughing and it is obvio that she is very sick. Sole wants to talk to the patron – but Barbara enters – and puts the kebosh on that. She grabs Soledad and asks why she’s in the hacienda where she’s been forbidden to enter. They talk – Barbara continues the threats – Sole says her son knows nothing Bar threatens him with death. Mom says Ed will never return – is that why she hid the letters. She says she’s all he’s got and if she dies – Bar says everything has to go as is – and she should never come near the Elizalde house. Get lost Sole.
Anibal wants to know what dad thinks of the plan. Enter Bar – son is sad cause Dad doesn’t approve – son is wary of Bar. Daddy has an appointment with the doctor. Bar reminds him about the chemical plant and wedding preps. He’s going to the cardiologist. Looks like dad’s days are numbered. Son wants who know what just happened – she double crossed him. The powerded milk plan is a go???
Fer and Damian caress and look at floral arrangements. The maid tells Jacinto and Margarita that Bar wouldn’t let Sol speak to the patron. They discuss what to do. Margarita is warned not to go help Sole. I think that Sole went to see Padre B to make her final confession and get it off her chest. At the clinic/church Sole and a doctor/nurse – apparently Sole wanted the job of arranging the flowers in the church – but someone else got it – the woman tells her it is out of her hands. She doesn’t want any problems with Dr. Obregon. Sole want to see Lili – the lady is Adolfina – please begs Sole let me say goodbye to her.
Damian and Fer show up at the clinic even though it’s not visiting hours – Meanwhile Sole succeeds in seeing Liliana who is unresponsive and looks like she’s had a lobotomy. Will Sole and Fer run into each other? Break time.
Damian wants to be with Fer – but duty calls and somehow they'll get back the seven days they’ll lose when they’re not together.
Sole comforts Lili and talks to her and calls her Palomita – the day will come when everyone will find out but, who knows what’s going to happen. She coughs – Saying goodbye to life is easy –The painful part is saying goodbye to you. I don’t think I’m going to be able to see you again. A mother always wants to be at her children’s side – this is the way she has suffered – she’s going to leave Ed all alone. The good is that he’s far away – it would be terrible to leave him at the mercy of Barbara, the hyena – the worst is yet to come.
Sole reaches into her bag, pulls out a box – this box contains the secret that she’s known about all their lives. She’s going to hide it because if she dies –if Ed were here he would find it – he would be in danger – she doesn’t want to sentence him to death – so she’s going to leave it here in Lili’s room for her to find. Sole says that God knows that she's tried to save your family. So she hides the secret in the room of someone who is catatonic? She knows of a secret board that lifts up, and puts the box and some chocolates for Lili in the hiding place. Sole tells Lili that If Lili never leaves here it will be because the Elisalde family deserves some other destiny.
Then Sole says, forgive me for not having fought harder against these bad people –for fifteen years they’ve killed my soul – May god have mercy on you (the Elisaldes).
Advances –
Ed at the airport – looking all dapper in sunglasses, neck scarf and jacket while Jacinto looks for him. Anibal and Barbara lock horns – the stage is set and Fer and Ed meet up with each other.
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We begin with yesterday’s scene in which Lili talks to the cook and tells her she overheard Barbara talking to Artemio Bravo. Barbara calls Lili a drug addict and warns her that she is capable of anything, and if she let’s the cat out of the bag, her son is in danger and that she will be watched night and day. And the rest of the Elisaldes will have the same fate as Montserrat – death. Nobody is find out about Artemio Bravo.
Quarter moon rising and we’re at Monty’s funeral. Soledad comforts the kids, Daddy cries – Barb watches and gives out bad vibes. Meanwhile, Lili is in a straight jacket tied up in a bed somewhere.
We now have a complete change of scene – we’re transported to a gym class and non other than Padre Bosco calls out Ed’s name. They embrace, but the good Padre tells him that his mom won’t be able to visit him as frequently as promised. Boy looks shocked.
Toluca – 1992 – Soledad gives the goodby blessing to Fer – the other kids are all crying. Barb looks so smug as Fernanda is escorted to the plane and dumb daddy looks happy. Now in Madrid – we know that because we hear flamenco music. Looks like a girl’s school – little Ferdanda is on the lawn dreaming of Ed – she dreams him into a real person – he’s supposed to be dreaming of her. They’re co-dreamers.
At her house, Soledad receives letters addressed to Ed from Fer. But she says these letters can’t reach their destination.
Looks like Barb and Daddy got married – I hear wedding music. He looks so happy, and she looks cold and smug. Part 2 of the big plan has succeeded.
At Pueblo – Soledad prays about the situation between the patron and the murderess and her problem with Ed – she has to keep her mouth shut. Sole feels like Barb’s accomplice because she’s kept her mouth shut. And, she accepts whatever punishment the Virgin Mary imposes upon her. She’s at Mary’s mercy.
Soledad looks at the letters again – she has two boxes. One box is marked with “Fernanda” and the other marked “Eduardo”. All these years she has hidden the letters in these boxes.
Harvard - The big boys are practicing football. We know the good looking one is Ed because he has the magic medal. Of course, it’s TMBMOE. Later he’s in church praying. We know that because he’s in church and is moving his lips.
It’s now 2007 and Fernanda is receiving her diploma. Barbara looks disgusted. Fer dedicates her success to her mother and nana Soledad. Soledad is very happy – who is the guy with the scraggly hair. Daddy’s real proud of her – he’s got a job for her in the company as a director in her specialty. It was Barbara’s idea – can you believe it. We know Barb’s older ‘cause her hair is messy. Fernanda can’t wait to get started.
2007 – Eduardo is giving his dissertation? And, he is congratulated – must have been a good one. Ed graduated summa cum laude – redhead Steve, his friend, is ready to party. (Just an aside – Steve was Dr. Brown in Como Agua para chocolate.) But Ed is serious, and he wants to get going. Ed reminisces that the day his mother sent him off he tried to do good. He got a scholarship to Harvard – something his mother deserves – now he can marry Fernanda. The two of them are just a pair of workaholics.
Current time: Fernanda carries on with Margarita about all the things they've seen in the country. Fernanda is wearing a straw hat, boots and jeans and seems to be in charge. She’s just a country girl educated in Spain. She is greeted with respect as she goes in the building. Barbara is talking to mystery man and reports that everything is going as planned – she’s still responsible for destroying the Elisalde family. Damian is part of the plan – he stole Fer’s heart. She says that Fernanda’s spouse is going to be the catalyst the starts the downward spiral of the family.
Fer walks in greeting everyone – and asks for daddy who is in his office. Barbara and Anibal are talking company policy. Anibal is apparently interested in a new plant – Daddy has aged. Fer hugs and kisses everyone. Fer apparently actually likes Barbara. What a fool. Daddy wants a report – Fer tells her how well received they were in the country. The Elisaldes are going to contribute to the growth of a product of their state. Apparently not a money maker, but good press. Daddy – at Barbara’s direction – tells Anibal that Fer is in charge of developing artisan products, etc. Fer claps and hugs daddy.
An aged Sole who is now sick and couphing is walking and comes upon a grown up Jacinto who is on a bike – she keeps on about minding her own business. Sole doesn’t want help from anyone. J tells her that he’s heard from Ed – she reminds him not to talk to her about it. J is exasperated – so am I.
New York – Sinatra introduces us to Ed who keeps saying manana – that finally after 15 years he’s going to return to his country. He remembers his mother’s words and kisses Fer’s medal again. Times have changed mama – he now has a future to offer Fer. Enter Steve who speaks in Spanish and English – Ed tells Steve that he’s going to Mexico tomorrow – Steve gives him his card with his numbers – and says he’d like to meet his mother and girlfriend and not to marry without letting him know and that this gringo wants to be best man at his wedding. Ed says – there’s no other woman for him. Is he in for a surprise.
Fer has lots to do, her secretary is taking many notes. In walks guy with glasses and moustache – I wonder if he breaks phones. He and Fer kiss – they’re planning a wedding – he says that with Barbara’s help everything will turn out great – Fer has some reservations – she seems to be pulling away from Damian – Fer insists she has to solve work-related problems, and he says he’ll go wherever she goes.
Back at the E’s hacienda – Sole is coughing and it is obvio that she is very sick. Sole wants to talk to the patron – but Barbara enters – and puts the kebosh on that. She grabs Soledad and asks why she’s in the hacienda where she’s been forbidden to enter. They talk – Barbara continues the threats – Sole says her son knows nothing Bar threatens him with death. Mom says Ed will never return – is that why she hid the letters. She says she’s all he’s got and if she dies – Bar says everything has to go as is – and she should never come near the Elizalde house. Get lost Sole.
Anibal wants to know what dad thinks of the plan. Enter Bar – son is sad cause Dad doesn’t approve – son is wary of Bar. Daddy has an appointment with the doctor. Bar reminds him about the chemical plant and wedding preps. He’s going to the cardiologist. Looks like dad’s days are numbered. Son wants who know what just happened – she double crossed him. The powerded milk plan is a go???
Fer and Damian caress and look at floral arrangements. The maid tells Jacinto and Margarita that Bar wouldn’t let Sol speak to the patron. They discuss what to do. Margarita is warned not to go help Sole. I think that Sole went to see Padre B to make her final confession and get it off her chest. At the clinic/church Sole and a doctor/nurse – apparently Sole wanted the job of arranging the flowers in the church – but someone else got it – the woman tells her it is out of her hands. She doesn’t want any problems with Dr. Obregon. Sole want to see Lili – the lady is Adolfina – please begs Sole let me say goodbye to her.
Damian and Fer show up at the clinic even though it’s not visiting hours – Meanwhile Sole succeeds in seeing Liliana who is unresponsive and looks like she’s had a lobotomy. Will Sole and Fer run into each other? Break time.
Damian wants to be with Fer – but duty calls and somehow they'll get back the seven days they’ll lose when they’re not together.
Sole comforts Lili and talks to her and calls her Palomita – the day will come when everyone will find out but, who knows what’s going to happen. She coughs – Saying goodbye to life is easy –The painful part is saying goodbye to you. I don’t think I’m going to be able to see you again. A mother always wants to be at her children’s side – this is the way she has suffered – she’s going to leave Ed all alone. The good is that he’s far away – it would be terrible to leave him at the mercy of Barbara, the hyena – the worst is yet to come.
Sole reaches into her bag, pulls out a box – this box contains the secret that she’s known about all their lives. She’s going to hide it because if she dies –if Ed were here he would find it – he would be in danger – she doesn’t want to sentence him to death – so she’s going to leave it here in Lili’s room for her to find. Sole says that God knows that she's tried to save your family. So she hides the secret in the room of someone who is catatonic? She knows of a secret board that lifts up, and puts the box and some chocolates for Lili in the hiding place. Sole tells Lili that If Lili never leaves here it will be because the Elisalde family deserves some other destiny.
Then Sole says, forgive me for not having fought harder against these bad people –for fifteen years they’ve killed my soul – May god have mercy on you (the Elisaldes).
Advances –
Ed at the airport – looking all dapper in sunglasses, neck scarf and jacket while Jacinto looks for him. Anibal and Barbara lock horns – the stage is set and Fer and Ed meet up with each other.
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Pasofina, your post was so speedy I was able to read it right before the program started. I needed it because they are speaking at such a rapid pace, I am getting quite lost. Thanks.
Well, what has happened to our sweet little Fernanda. She is on speed or has an overactive thyroid as she is one perky girl. Rapid speech and hands and body waving everywhere. I am having a hard time with her transition. Eduardo's transition seems a little more believable. He went from cute to handsome but more serious and determined.
Thank goodness for Sergio Sendel as Damien. I think we are going to need him to keep this novela rolling. More cell phone throwing please.
The payoff for Babs better be gigantic as she has spent 15 long years with a less than exciting doofus of a husband. She has sacrificed her youth on him...for what and why... I wonder. GinCA
Well, what has happened to our sweet little Fernanda. She is on speed or has an overactive thyroid as she is one perky girl. Rapid speech and hands and body waving everywhere. I am having a hard time with her transition. Eduardo's transition seems a little more believable. He went from cute to handsome but more serious and determined.
Thank goodness for Sergio Sendel as Damien. I think we are going to need him to keep this novela rolling. More cell phone throwing please.
The payoff for Babs better be gigantic as she has spent 15 long years with a less than exciting doofus of a husband. She has sacrificed her youth on him...for what and why... I wonder. GinCA
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: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:45:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:45:00 AM EST
Terrific recap Pasofino. Thanks for identifying Dr. John Brown, I knew he looked familiar. Love the orange hair. I noticed other familiar faces tonight, Yadira (Margarita) and Nacho Machete (Jacinto) from JQ are reunited. I hardly recognized her without her signature tight neon-orange spandex pants and halter tops.
I enjoyed the hiding of the secret box and the chocolates. That was weirdly random.
Eduardo gets muddy tomorrow, how encouraging!
I enjoyed the hiding of the secret box and the chocolates. That was weirdly random.
Eduardo gets muddy tomorrow, how encouraging!
Thank you, Pasofina. So I will shift gears to the grown up characters. "Meester James" (also now on Tontas) is the guy with the scraggly hair. Which Elisalde is he? the little brother whose girl friend annoying brother kissed? And Damian looks perfect as Evilbitch's accomplice. I must say the actress playing Fernanda has somewhat severe and angular features, not at all as I would have imagined her, I'll have to get used to that. Physically, she looks more like a villianess. And Steve is scary! I hope he won't get a lot of face time! Eduardo (FC) is indeed a fine specimen of a man (*sigh*) Oh well. The stage is set so I hope there will be some laughter and lovin' to give us a break from Evilbitch's dastardly deeds.
Khalilah
Khalilah
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 6:57:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 6:57:00 AM EST
Paula H. Thanks for posting to the sidebar. I didn't realize I was signing up for 300 episodes, so maybe with experience I will learn how to do it.
Pasofina~~~Thanks for the speedy recap. SOOOO... Eduardo was a quarterback. I guess that was to drive home the point that he went to the USA. And orangehaired Steve alsp played the shifty n'er-do-well Renato in Amor Real. Is Gardenia Jacinto's sister ? I don't think Fernanda looks like the typical heroine, and I think she has a little adult ADD happening . She's a little beyond perky. Bad Barbie's hair seems to have deflated over those 15 years , but she is still troweling on that eye makeup [a sign of the evil woman...I'm thinking back to Edith Gonzalez as crazyevil Jocelyn in Mundo de Fieras.]
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 8:08:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 8:08:00 AM EST
Pasofino, just as a side note:
Soledad was not looking to work in the Church, she had been a volunteer there for the 15 years Liliana has been at the clinic and because she didn’t go for a week(she was sick) the doctor replaced her. Also, that is not the Padre’s church, that is the clinic “Capilla”.
And I agree with you about his novela being boring. In my case I sa the origianl and I think I am comparing the actors on their roles. So, far in my opinion the actors in the original were far better.
Soledad was not looking to work in the Church, she had been a volunteer there for the 15 years Liliana has been at the clinic and because she didn’t go for a week(she was sick) the doctor replaced her. Also, that is not the Padre’s church, that is the clinic “Capilla”.
And I agree with you about his novela being boring. In my case I sa the origianl and I think I am comparing the actors on their roles. So, far in my opinion the actors in the original were far better.
Susanlynn, Jacinto and Gradenia are married. Rosita (the new cook), Gardenia and Florecita (the recepcionist) are sisters.
I'm confused about a couple characters...Margarita [Did we see her as a child? Is she married to Jacinto?] and Gardenia.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 8:47:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 8:47:00 AM EST
Whoops...Sue,,,thanks . We must have posted at the same time.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 8:48:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 8:48:00 AM EST
Ayudame, por favor. In the previews I saw Colunga in a white shirt. It just knocked the wind out of me! I have a "thing" for well-built men in tight white tee shirts. I couldn't watch last night (que lastima!), and this morning I can't find the clip on YouTube. Can someone more YouTube-savvy find me the clip?
TBLMOE, in a tight white tee shirt. It just doesn't get any better than that.
TBLMOE, in a tight white tee shirt. It just doesn't get any better than that.
Thanks to Cheryl for yesterday's recap (I missed it completely) and Pasofina for today's. Rapid dialogue buries me!
15 years pass & Babs' hair deflates a few inches but the portrait in her closet looks like hell.
Who plopped that ugly carpet on Steve's head?
Of course Ed was BMOC at Harvard. A little old for the starting QB but who am I to quibble.
Maggarita
:-)
15 years pass & Babs' hair deflates a few inches but the portrait in her closet looks like hell.
Who plopped that ugly carpet on Steve's head?
Of course Ed was BMOC at Harvard. A little old for the starting QB but who am I to quibble.
Maggarita
:-)
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:10:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:10:00 AM EST
Oops! Apologies to Pasofino...misspelled your name.
Paula H: I'm with you on the white tee shirt. Heck, who am I kidding? I'll take TBLMOE wearing plaid knickers!
Maggarita
Paula H: I'm with you on the white tee shirt. Heck, who am I kidding? I'll take TBLMOE wearing plaid knickers!
Maggarita
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:13:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:13:00 AM EST
Pasofina, an excellent recap - thank you!
The Barbinator's murder spree went on hiatus, at least for last night. (Glad so many of you liked the nickname). Her uncanny ability to be both omnipresent and omnipotent is frightening. As she possesses no shred of human kindness, she's a formidable enemy.
The scenes with Lili were just painful to watch. She's living a fate worse than death and suffered the cruelest fate so far.
Has the Barb/Damian connection been made clear? I like Sergio Sendel and was surprised to see what a beautiful, warm smile he has. Guess he must have been too busy screaming, plotting and throwing phones in DA to smile :)
Agree with Susanlynn that Fernanda doesn't look like the typical heroine. I think she's got an interesting face and am enjoying her upbeat personality (after 10 months of the Elizondo sisters, can you blame me??:))
Looking forward to the Ed/Fer reunion. Diana in MA
The Barbinator's murder spree went on hiatus, at least for last night. (Glad so many of you liked the nickname). Her uncanny ability to be both omnipresent and omnipotent is frightening. As she possesses no shred of human kindness, she's a formidable enemy.
The scenes with Lili were just painful to watch. She's living a fate worse than death and suffered the cruelest fate so far.
Has the Barb/Damian connection been made clear? I like Sergio Sendel and was surprised to see what a beautiful, warm smile he has. Guess he must have been too busy screaming, plotting and throwing phones in DA to smile :)
Agree with Susanlynn that Fernanda doesn't look like the typical heroine. I think she's got an interesting face and am enjoying her upbeat personality (after 10 months of the Elizondo sisters, can you blame me??:))
Looking forward to the Ed/Fer reunion. Diana in MA
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:21:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:21:00 AM EST
Pasofino, I also misspelled your name - sorry. Diana.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:24:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:24:00 AM EST
Thank you pasofino for a wonderful, detailed recap.
For those who are wondering - Jacinto and Margarita are married. Margarita and Gardenia are sisters; Flor is their cousin.
Am I the only one who was distracted by the fact that Ed and his teammates on the Harvard football team were wearing University of Miami football uniforms?
Jody :)
For those who are wondering - Jacinto and Margarita are married. Margarita and Gardenia are sisters; Flor is their cousin.
Am I the only one who was distracted by the fact that Ed and his teammates on the Harvard football team were wearing University of Miami football uniforms?
Jody :)
Good eye! I didn't notice that detail Jody, however I did find it amazing that those college guys were all so manly, mature and unusually over-developed for college-age boys, especially Eduardo. Steve was bizarre, is he supposed to be a student or a teacher or what?
pasofino - thank you for the great recap. Can't wait to watch my tape.
I have to say, ole Babs was quite efficient in her first week on the job, dispensing with Montserrat, Eduardo, Soledad, Fernanda and Liliana. Yet, here we are, 15 AÑOS DESPUES and she has made no progress with la venganza??? Geez, Artemio Brava could have died of old age by now, or have alzheimer's and forget why he sent Babs there in the first place.. Argh! Where's my telenovela beanie hat??? Where's my "I survived FELS" tee-shirt???
I have to say, ole Babs was quite efficient in her first week on the job, dispensing with Montserrat, Eduardo, Soledad, Fernanda and Liliana. Yet, here we are, 15 AÑOS DESPUES and she has made no progress with la venganza??? Geez, Artemio Brava could have died of old age by now, or have alzheimer's and forget why he sent Babs there in the first place.. Argh! Where's my telenovela beanie hat??? Where's my "I survived FELS" tee-shirt???
Thanks for the recap pasofino. There was a lot going on last night and you got it all.
No Jody you weren't the only one to notice the uniforms. Harvard's color as crimson and white not Univ of Miami (or the Dolphins; I know NFL team colors better than college). I was thinking how could the costume designer pick THOSE colors since they seemed to get the univ logo correct.
Hey, Paula I can try to tape the episode and send it to you on DVD but have to make sure the recorder is working. Yes FC in a tight white t-shirt is quite nice. My e-mail is bowdre04@yahoo.com.
No Jody you weren't the only one to notice the uniforms. Harvard's color as crimson and white not Univ of Miami (or the Dolphins; I know NFL team colors better than college). I was thinking how could the costume designer pick THOSE colors since they seemed to get the univ logo correct.
Hey, Paula I can try to tape the episode and send it to you on DVD but have to make sure the recorder is working. Yes FC in a tight white t-shirt is quite nice. My e-mail is bowdre04@yahoo.com.
Pasofina, thanks for the informative, entertaining recap. I still haven't quite matched up the sons as adults with their childhood counterparts. I am,however horrified with what they've done to Liliana. She may have been an annoying teen(isn't it a teen's duty to be annoying?) but what has happened to her is unforgivable. I hope that Bab's accommodations in Hell have been appropriately upgraded.
What kind of revenge plan takes 15 years plus to complete...Cigarman could fall over dead from smoking those unhealthy cigars and Barb could accidentally fall down the Stairs of Doom in those high heels. Speedy and swift revenge seems more efficient to me. Refresh your beanie.
Pasofino, my apologies for misspelling your name. GinCA
Pasofino, my apologies for misspelling your name. GinCA
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 10:21:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 10:21:00 AM EST
Thanks for the recap Pasofino. I didn't get to watch last night so will double up tonight. I missed an Edwardo sighting! Ack! I've waited all week to see him.
I also thought the Harvard uniforms were suspiciously un-Crimson!
Pasofino, was this your first recap? I know it's the first one from you that I've seen! Great job!
I agree with GinCA, I think Grownup Nanda is way too perky. I hope she settles down within a week or two!
That girl must not watch very many telenovelas, or she'd know better than to get mixed up with a Sergio Sendel character!
I didn't quite get all of that conversation about the powdered milk. I know father and son disagreed about it, I think Dad was against? Did Barb approve it behind Dad's back? Help?? And then Barb mumbled something about destitution being the least of their problems when something something happens?
I wonder, is Barb going to poison the milk? That would be really, really bad for the company.
Pasofino, was this your first recap? I know it's the first one from you that I've seen! Great job!
I agree with GinCA, I think Grownup Nanda is way too perky. I hope she settles down within a week or two!
That girl must not watch very many telenovelas, or she'd know better than to get mixed up with a Sergio Sendel character!
I didn't quite get all of that conversation about the powdered milk. I know father and son disagreed about it, I think Dad was against? Did Barb approve it behind Dad's back? Help?? And then Barb mumbled something about destitution being the least of their problems when something something happens?
I wonder, is Barb going to poison the milk? That would be really, really bad for the company.
Ibarramedia, I'm using my beanie to shield my eyes from one more puppy love scene. ga.aaah.aaha....demasiado.
Is there something on Sunday night featuring the cast of FELS? I heard it briefly and then didn't hear it again. Thanks in advance. :P
Everyone - thanks for your comments and corrections. I never would have picked up on the football uniform colors. Wow!
As to the conversation about the different projects between Anibal, Daddy and Barb - I started to watch it again to refine the recap, but, I just couldn't stand it twice in the same night.
This is my first stint as a regular recapper. I subbed twice on Cuidado.
Also - 15 years have passed, so Ed should be 27 or 30 and Fernanda should be 22 or maybe 25. So, we have another suspension of reality to handle.
As to the conversation about the different projects between Anibal, Daddy and Barb - I started to watch it again to refine the recap, but, I just couldn't stand it twice in the same night.
This is my first stint as a regular recapper. I subbed twice on Cuidado.
Also - 15 years have passed, so Ed should be 27 or 30 and Fernanda should be 22 or maybe 25. So, we have another suspension of reality to handle.
Pasofino, Thanks for your first MEPS episode, great job. And thanks to whomever added or showed you how to add the show, and date to the title. It seems insignificant the first week but with 100's of episodes to go it will be helpful in the future.
Sylvia, thanks for spotting Margarita, I really didn't get the transition without spandex and butterflies in the hair for clues. Nacho as Jacinto was easy, and I am glad he seems to be playing a nicer character.
Steve is an interesting actor, my MexiMom told me he is brilliant, fluent in numerous languages and a musician. Mario Iván Martínez is his name. I just looked him up on IMDB to find out that he was a singer on Alborada. Is having one red haired character required? I really appreciate that they have put at least one really smart character in to be Eduardo's best buddy and we can have some intelligent dialog between them. I think Steve said he was catching up on work for his boss, his father. It may be that Eduardo's big first job was with them as they seemed to be friends in the classmates scene. Oh those Harvard connections take one a long way.
Eeyore, amazing catch on the Miami uniforms. But who cares that they looked so mature. Eduardo looks good in every frame. I can't wait for someone to clean him up from the mud bath. I am totally pleased with this first sight of our beautiful Colunga.
So I think grown-up Fernanda is channeling Marichuyi over on Cuidado. With all that money and private schooling she is difficult to understand when the motor mouth is in high gear.
Sylvia, thanks for spotting Margarita, I really didn't get the transition without spandex and butterflies in the hair for clues. Nacho as Jacinto was easy, and I am glad he seems to be playing a nicer character.
Steve is an interesting actor, my MexiMom told me he is brilliant, fluent in numerous languages and a musician. Mario Iván Martínez is his name. I just looked him up on IMDB to find out that he was a singer on Alborada. Is having one red haired character required? I really appreciate that they have put at least one really smart character in to be Eduardo's best buddy and we can have some intelligent dialog between them. I think Steve said he was catching up on work for his boss, his father. It may be that Eduardo's big first job was with them as they seemed to be friends in the classmates scene. Oh those Harvard connections take one a long way.
Eeyore, amazing catch on the Miami uniforms. But who cares that they looked so mature. Eduardo looks good in every frame. I can't wait for someone to clean him up from the mud bath. I am totally pleased with this first sight of our beautiful Colunga.
So I think grown-up Fernanda is channeling Marichuyi over on Cuidado. With all that money and private schooling she is difficult to understand when the motor mouth is in high gear.
Excellent recap, Pasofino, thank you.kinda odd that they threw in that "Harvard" football nonsense, especially having the colors all wrong. And 15 years have passed, no progress on the vengance- you would think that Cigarman would have expected that Babs would have accomplised something more in that time, especially since she got off to such a gangbusters start. Just what is she supposed to be getting out of this thing? Seems she has it all, right now, and could tell Cigarman that the deal is off. Certainly she is able to twart any retalliation that he could muster...The powdered milk scene was puzzling. Looked like Babs and Evilson had a deal all cooked up, but she backed out on support when Pops kiebashed it; or was that her plan all along, but for what reason? Liliana certainly looked well taken care of, hair all in place and coiffed, nice street clothes, not at all the rebellious teen we last saw, nor what I would imagine a person with 15 years in the cookoo's nest would look like.. Does she know about the loose floorboard- it looks dangerous...That's our sweet Yadira from Querendon? Wow, did not see that...Well, at least the real story starts tinite, was Jacinto looking for Eddy at the airport? I thought that he didn't have th phone # to contact him, and it also looks like Eddy found his way w/o Jacinto..Eddy is back in town, and things are gonna start to happen now...
I don't think it would hurt Televisa to put an assistant on a computer to go search the web for Harvard university football uniforms and practice Jerseys.
This is for you former Fuego viewers and Juan Reyes fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFtE6z4W4Sc
His English improves in the other clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCOvizXVjxE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neIQU1qZG58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Wl0kvlSs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SciY4--q7uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNu2KhIjp1w
Warning NSFW!(Not safe for work)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIOLGL1TKG4
Ibarramedia
This is for you former Fuego viewers and Juan Reyes fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFtE6z4W4Sc
His English improves in the other clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCOvizXVjxE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neIQU1qZG58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Wl0kvlSs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SciY4--q7uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNu2KhIjp1w
Warning NSFW!(Not safe for work)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIOLGL1TKG4
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 11:41:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 11:41:00 AM EST
Paula H. ~~~I have a thing for guys in crisp white dress shirts , so I enjoy watching the opening montage and seeing Ed dressed in a crisp white dress shirt kissing Fer . Also, I agree that all of these actors/actresses are older than the ages they would be [late 20s-early 30s] So, suspended disbelief is still needed even though we've left Mexidoon. And I'm disappointed that Ed wasn't a quarterback for Joe Pa at Penn State....I didn't know that Harvard had a football team. [The Philly Eagles also wear green and white uniforms. ]
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 11:46:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 11:46:00 AM EST
Connie, here is the url where i posted the clips of the cristina show re: Fuego.
http://caraycaray.blogspot.com/2009/02/fels-christina-show-discussion-022309.html
Ibarramedia
http://caraycaray.blogspot.com/2009/02/fels-christina-show-discussion-022309.html
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 11:47:00 AM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 11:47:00 AM EST
Thanks Pasofina for the recap and you commenters said so many of the same things I was thinking. It seems in Mexico they equate a gringo with red hair ha ha. I think the scenes at Harvard and Ed talking to his best friend, HE would have spoken some English. Wonder if Colunga knows any English. And, I guess we'll have to leave our brain at the door or adjust our beanies for them trying to convince us that he is only 27 years old. If they're gonna have a guy in his 40s play this part, why not just say it's been 25 years later for pete's sake? I was hoping Soledad would be around for awhile. Jeesh, 15 years to get a job done. Donald Trump would have said YOU'RE FIRED by now.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 12:07:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 12:07:00 PM EST
Thanks Ibarramedia. I recorded the show on Monday and haven't watched it yet. I just thought I heard the song or somebody talking about the cast being on a show on Sunday night but I don't think it was a Cristina show. I can't wait to see the the EY clips.
I would like to step up and offer to teach Fernando English.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 12:37:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 12:37:00 PM EST
Thanks recappers, one and all. Your recaps have been better the episodes.
Pasofino, welcome aboard! I don't think we will have 300 episodes in the USA. I checked the esmas capitulos and we are seeing two each night at this point. Tonight will be 9 & 10.
Another secret box!!! I do hope they don't make us crazy like in FELS.
rsk
Pasofino, welcome aboard! I don't think we will have 300 episodes in the USA. I checked the esmas capitulos and we are seeing two each night at this point. Tonight will be 9 & 10.
Another secret box!!! I do hope they don't make us crazy like in FELS.
rsk
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:02:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:02:00 PM EST
Thanks Pasofina for an excellent recap. I'm trying to keep up with names so I'm happy about the explanations of who's who in comments. One commenter said that Margarita and Gardenia are sisters. Someone else said that Gardenia and Florecita the receptionist are sisters. Which is it? Also Maggarita, Paula or anyone .. what is TBLMOE and BMOC?
Thanks a bunch.
Thanks a bunch.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:12:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:12:00 PM EST
I thought the whole Harvard scene was funny, especially when the dean of students said "congratulations" to Eduardo with a heavy spanish accent (of course in real life she could actually be hispanic, but you know what I mean). Ed's football toss looked a bit uncoordinated to me for the captain of the team.
But I must say that Fernando Colunga really is impressive in his look, his bearing, I saw him in Pasion, but he really does command the screen, I totally understand what you ladies like about him. Also, I'm able to understand his and Fernanda's speaking voices easily, while I'm having problems understanding Jacinto, Margarita, etc.
As for the powdered milk, my take on it was that Gonzalo wants natural milk, and Anibal wants to substitute powdered milk and pretend it's fresh real milk, and trick the customers. Barbara pretends to support Gonzo, but after he leaves, reassures Anibal they can go with the cheap substitute (I think).
But I must say that Fernando Colunga really is impressive in his look, his bearing, I saw him in Pasion, but he really does command the screen, I totally understand what you ladies like about him. Also, I'm able to understand his and Fernanda's speaking voices easily, while I'm having problems understanding Jacinto, Margarita, etc.
As for the powdered milk, my take on it was that Gonzalo wants natural milk, and Anibal wants to substitute powdered milk and pretend it's fresh real milk, and trick the customers. Barbara pretends to support Gonzo, but after he leaves, reassures Anibal they can go with the cheap substitute (I think).
TBLMOE = The Best Lokkig Man on Earth and BMOC = Big Man on Campus
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:28:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:28:00 PM EST
Are those University of Miami uniforms? If so, they're just like the Miami Dolphins uniforms, the pro team. (I'm with you, Karen)
Maybe it was a cost saving measure...I'm thinking a lot of these are filmed in Florida, no? So many telenovela stars seem to be living in the Miami area. So maybe they just borrowed some leftovers from the pros.
Nice debut Pasofino...or re-entry since you've already recapped a few. I had trouble posting at first and always e-mailed Melinama to do it for me. Paula can probably walk you through it> she's taught me how to post pictures which means she's a genius at computer instruction.
I'm not finding this "bland" at all, but then I didn't see the original. Lucero lurking in almost every scene really hypes up the tension for me. I love her voice though, low-pitched, husky and very nice pacing. Fernanda does speak quickly but this seems more like normal Latino speed. The French also speak at a rapid pace, city-dwellers anyway. But I find her much easier to understand than Mari Chuy in Cuidado. At least Fernanda uses normal Spanish and not the rapid-fire slurred Chilango slang that the Cuidado actress spouts.
Maybe it was a cost saving measure...I'm thinking a lot of these are filmed in Florida, no? So many telenovela stars seem to be living in the Miami area. So maybe they just borrowed some leftovers from the pros.
Nice debut Pasofino...or re-entry since you've already recapped a few. I had trouble posting at first and always e-mailed Melinama to do it for me. Paula can probably walk you through it> she's taught me how to post pictures which means she's a genius at computer instruction.
I'm not finding this "bland" at all, but then I didn't see the original. Lucero lurking in almost every scene really hypes up the tension for me. I love her voice though, low-pitched, husky and very nice pacing. Fernanda does speak quickly but this seems more like normal Latino speed. The French also speak at a rapid pace, city-dwellers anyway. But I find her much easier to understand than Mari Chuy in Cuidado. At least Fernanda uses normal Spanish and not the rapid-fire slurred Chilango slang that the Cuidado actress spouts.
TBLMOE is short for The Best Looking Man on Earth (Fernando Colugna) and BMOC is Big Man on Campus. I'll ask again, which one of the brothers is the former "Meester James" playing, the youngest curly headed kid, I guess? Thanks.
Khalilah
Khalilah
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:36:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 1:36:00 PM EST
Khalilah: Yes, Carlos de la Mota, aka Meester James, is Santiago, the curly haired, youngest brother of Fernanda.
CONNIE - I know the 'other' FELS-after show you're talking about. I think it is Don Francisco. I've seen the ads, too, but didn't pay attention to when it airs.
for anyone who needs some cast list help, I posted my own version over in the telenovela-world forums -- here's the url:
http://foro.telenovela-world.com/n4/read-t.php?f=512&i=20&t=19#reply_20
for the Fuego fans: the gran finale will be rebroadcast on Saturday; the "Tras La Verdad" special for "Fuego" will be on Sunday. Don Francisco Presents will have Jorge and Elizabeth as guests.
Jody :)
http://foro.telenovela-world.com/n4/read-t.php?f=512&i=20&t=19#reply_20
for the Fuego fans: the gran finale will be rebroadcast on Saturday; the "Tras La Verdad" special for "Fuego" will be on Sunday. Don Francisco Presents will have Jorge and Elizabeth as guests.
Jody :)
Carlos de la Mota is playing Santiago, the cutest little brother with precious curls who has turned into man with the fried looking hair. He was fun as Meester James on Destilando and as Raul on Tontas.
By the way, you can see Fernando Colunga speak English pretty well on El Ladron Que Robo El Ladron, shot mostly in the US. After seeing that I cannot imagine why he is not a bigger big screen star.
By the way, you can see Fernando Colunga speak English pretty well on El Ladron Que Robo El Ladron, shot mostly in the US. After seeing that I cannot imagine why he is not a bigger big screen star.
I have to really suspend disbelief to accept that a man with a Harvard MBA wouldn't have tracked down Fernanda sooner. What about Facebook?
Anyway, I still like this better than Cuidado.
Anyway, I still like this better than Cuidado.
The hair on the adult Santiago is frightening. There are some bad wigs so far - that one, and Eduardo's friend Steve from Harvard. Yikes.
Thanks for the recap.
I haven't found this show to be boring, except the scene with Soledad in the nuthouse with Liliana, that scene was about 10 minutes too long. I know it was supposed to be sad and dramatic or whatever, but with the way these shows usually move and work, it seemed way too long and out of place.
Thanks for the recap.
I haven't found this show to be boring, except the scene with Soledad in the nuthouse with Liliana, that scene was about 10 minutes too long. I know it was supposed to be sad and dramatic or whatever, but with the way these shows usually move and work, it seemed way too long and out of place.
Pasofino, what is "TMBMOE"? Was it just a typo of TBLMOE? Or is it another perspective of his amazing attributes.
When I coined the term TBLMOE (The Best Looking Man on Earth), it was mostly as a joke, but I confess to a strong suspicion that he really does deserve the title.
Many men think they are God's gift to women. FC really is!
When I coined the term TBLMOE (The Best Looking Man on Earth), it was mostly as a joke, but I confess to a strong suspicion that he really does deserve the title.
Many men think they are God's gift to women. FC really is!
Connie - eeyore has it right and I was wrong. I just now saw the ad on Looneyvision. It *is* Tras La Verdad on at 9 p.m. EST on looneyvision.
I never thought a Fernando Colunga novela would generate much snark ,as I've only seen him in PASION, but I can see that there is a high potential from what I've seen so far. Meester James/Santiago's hair is a scream. I will have to examine it closely whenever he appears. LOL. GinCA
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 3:03:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 3:03:00 PM EST
Thanks Hombre and CherylNewMex for info on Meester James (I just like to say and type that!) anywho, no it's not bland and boring to me, either. Barbinator (Evilbitch to me) is effective with her coldness alternating with hysterics and her heartless targeting of children. After 15 years she hasn't felt even a shred of attachment to this family: this is very-well communicated by her smooth evil omnipresence and peaceful, afterglow smile upon completion of her duties.I actually felt quite tense during these first episodes. Fifteen years! The payoff, money, I'm sure and the heffa is a BAD SEED that just gets off on killing. And yes, I also heard she killed her own parents. I'm sure there's going to be a high body count.
And who ever said they were surprised by Sergio Sendel's warm smile, yeah, he IS fine in my opinion. I enjoy watching his fine chiseled features as he seethes and hurls cell phones. . .
Khalilah
And who ever said they were surprised by Sergio Sendel's warm smile, yeah, he IS fine in my opinion. I enjoy watching his fine chiseled features as he seethes and hurls cell phones. . .
Khalilah
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 3:12:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 3:12:00 PM EST
Am I the only one appalled by what they've done to Liliana? She was frisky, sassy , alert, and on the brink of adulthood, and now she's been robbed of 15 important years of her life, having been effectively converted into one of the living dead using chemical restraints. As best I can tell, her worst crime was a bad rendition of Girls Just Want to Have Fun. Meanwhile, Eddie and Nanda were punished by getting good educations. At least, Soledad didn't forget about her. I hope she get's some big time revenge when Bab's bills come due.
Carlos
Carlos
Paula H: "TMBMOE" is a title I and other Jaime Camil fans chose for him: The Most Beautiful Man on Earth since Fernando Colugna had the title TBLMOE. On the Pasion boards as I remember the ladies agreed on these different designations and it kept down virtual catfights. Tee hee.
Khalilah
Khalilah
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 3:26:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 3:26:00 PM EST
No, Carlos, you are not alone. That's what I mean about her heartless targeting of children and why I prefer to call her Evilbitch. That is indeed tragic, criminal, to have been turned into a zombie. And her dumbass dad buyin whatever Evilbitch was selling. My parents are having health crises right now and when I sat down to watch I was like "uh, I don't think I need any additional stres. . ." but I'm hangin in.
Khalilah
Khalilah
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 3:52:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 3:52:00 PM EST
Pasofino, thanks for the recap. This may be bland, but thankfully we didn't have to put up with apparently, 15 years of pretty much nothing happening. LOL
15 years later, but with the new 'do, I think Babs looks a bit younger than previously. :-)
They way she is hacking, doesn't look like Soledad can be long for this world. I did see Eduardo pining away for Fernanda, but I don't recall much of anything in this episode with Fernanda thinking of Eduardo? Of course, she did have Damian to keep her happy, not sure if Eddie had anyone. :-)
Adophina (nurse talking to Sole) was I believe Gloria's mom in Guapos.
I agree with some others that it is just wrong what they appear to have done with Lili. After 15 years of medication, I don't think it would be possible to even be a viable human being again?
I think even Fernanda the younger was quite perky and talkative when given the chance. I can see her growing into this grown up one.
GinCA "The payoff for Babs better be gigantic as she has spent 15 long years with a less than exciting doofus of a husband. She has sacrificed her youth on him...for what and why... I wonder."
Definitely, I wonder, too. What is the payoff? Makes me wonder if Cigarman is getting back at Babs as well as Gonzo. 15 years!! LOL
And along with others, seeing all of the old familiar faces, some under mops (Santiago/Meester James/Raul).
Sorry to say, but watching Eddie passing, ah, hmm, I think Harvard may have had some long seasons. :-)
Diana in MA, Fernanda is definitely a change from the Elizondo girls.
Didn't catch the name of the woman talking with Margarita and Jacinto, but she seemed a familiar face as well. Took awhile before I figured out who Jacinto was in YA Juan Q.
So poisoned powered milk? Sounds like Damian must have told Babs about this plan he had previously having to do with poisoned tequila. ;-)
Jeff in MN
15 years later, but with the new 'do, I think Babs looks a bit younger than previously. :-)
They way she is hacking, doesn't look like Soledad can be long for this world. I did see Eduardo pining away for Fernanda, but I don't recall much of anything in this episode with Fernanda thinking of Eduardo? Of course, she did have Damian to keep her happy, not sure if Eddie had anyone. :-)
Adophina (nurse talking to Sole) was I believe Gloria's mom in Guapos.
I agree with some others that it is just wrong what they appear to have done with Lili. After 15 years of medication, I don't think it would be possible to even be a viable human being again?
I think even Fernanda the younger was quite perky and talkative when given the chance. I can see her growing into this grown up one.
GinCA "The payoff for Babs better be gigantic as she has spent 15 long years with a less than exciting doofus of a husband. She has sacrificed her youth on him...for what and why... I wonder."
Definitely, I wonder, too. What is the payoff? Makes me wonder if Cigarman is getting back at Babs as well as Gonzo. 15 years!! LOL
And along with others, seeing all of the old familiar faces, some under mops (Santiago/Meester James/Raul).
Sorry to say, but watching Eddie passing, ah, hmm, I think Harvard may have had some long seasons. :-)
Diana in MA, Fernanda is definitely a change from the Elizondo girls.
Didn't catch the name of the woman talking with Margarita and Jacinto, but she seemed a familiar face as well. Took awhile before I figured out who Jacinto was in YA Juan Q.
So poisoned powered milk? Sounds like Damian must have told Babs about this plan he had previously having to do with poisoned tequila. ;-)
Jeff in MN
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 4:24:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 4:24:00 PM EST
Thanks for the recap, Pasofino. Yo tambien noticed the Harvard team wearing Miami Dolphins' unis. So glad my FELS beanie is only a little crushed and can be fixed.
I feel sad for Liliana. She must have taken hints from Jimena (FELS) on how to appear catatonic. I only hope the hidden chocolates were an ongoing thing, so she'll be able to retrieve THE BOX one day.
The fifteen year time lapse does little for the believability of Barbinator's evil revenge; it only allows our protagonists to reach mature status. Ah well, at least we have two hot and interesting guys to look at (Sendel, Colunga.)
La Paloma
I feel sad for Liliana. She must have taken hints from Jimena (FELS) on how to appear catatonic. I only hope the hidden chocolates were an ongoing thing, so she'll be able to retrieve THE BOX one day.
The fifteen year time lapse does little for the believability of Barbinator's evil revenge; it only allows our protagonists to reach mature status. Ah well, at least we have two hot and interesting guys to look at (Sendel, Colunga.)
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 4:41:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 4:41:00 PM EST
No Carlos you are not alone in your outrage of Liliana. Her treatment is keeping her in a catatonic state!! No therapy with a doctor to work through issues? Makes me think Cheryl's theory about the doctor being fake was true. I'm hoping her state is just drug induced not a lobotomy. Since this is novela medicine, I think she'll be revived but we may have a long journey with her.
Yes Mr. James's wig is going to be the source of endless snark as it's just scary. Why does Televisa do these odd things with hair (ridiculous color or really bad rugs)?
Judy - I like your explanation of the uniforms. It makes sense and gave me a laugh.
Yes Mr. James's wig is going to be the source of endless snark as it's just scary. Why does Televisa do these odd things with hair (ridiculous color or really bad rugs)?
Judy - I like your explanation of the uniforms. It makes sense and gave me a laugh.
Excellent recap!
Isn't the actress playing Gardenia the same as the one in FELS who marries Rigo after being in love with Big Tweedle? (I forget her character's name). The child Gardenia seemed also to be in love with Eduardo and wrote him a nice goodbye letter. Maybe she will be competition for Fernanda?
I think Eduardo did not get in touch with Fernanda sooner because he was waiting to be a success and waiting to have something to offer her. remember how his mother told him there was no future for them because she was rich and he was poor.
I too agree that Fernanda is a bit much. The child Fernanda was sweet and lively, but not so manic. Sergio Sendel --seems like he's going to be good in this --convincing as F's "love", but also as Barbara's lover and accomplice in nefarious business doings. I'm glad to see that he's not chewing the scenery and throwing phones around.
About Colunga --not only brawny and beautiful, but now also brainy. Wow!!!Summa Cum Laude from Harvard --not bad for a poor Mexican "indio."
Susanlynn --not only does Harvard have a football team, but the Harvard-Yale game is the biggie in Ivy League college football.
So far, I can't say that I'm enthralled, but it seems more hopeful than either TONTAS or CUIDADO.
nj sUE
Isn't the actress playing Gardenia the same as the one in FELS who marries Rigo after being in love with Big Tweedle? (I forget her character's name). The child Gardenia seemed also to be in love with Eduardo and wrote him a nice goodbye letter. Maybe she will be competition for Fernanda?
I think Eduardo did not get in touch with Fernanda sooner because he was waiting to be a success and waiting to have something to offer her. remember how his mother told him there was no future for them because she was rich and he was poor.
I too agree that Fernanda is a bit much. The child Fernanda was sweet and lively, but not so manic. Sergio Sendel --seems like he's going to be good in this --convincing as F's "love", but also as Barbara's lover and accomplice in nefarious business doings. I'm glad to see that he's not chewing the scenery and throwing phones around.
About Colunga --not only brawny and beautiful, but now also brainy. Wow!!!Summa Cum Laude from Harvard --not bad for a poor Mexican "indio."
Susanlynn --not only does Harvard have a football team, but the Harvard-Yale game is the biggie in Ivy League college football.
So far, I can't say that I'm enthralled, but it seems more hopeful than either TONTAS or CUIDADO.
nj sUE
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 5:05:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 5:05:00 PM EST
Excellent recap!
Isn't the actress playing Gardenia the same as the one in FELS who marries Rigo after being in love with Big Tweedle? (I forget her character's name). The child Gardenia seemed also to be in love with Eduardo and wrote him a nice goodbye letter. Maybe she will be competition for Fernanda?
I think Eduardo did not get in touch with Fernanda sooner because he was waiting to be a success and waiting to have something to offer her. remember how his mother told him there was no future for them because she was rich and he was poor.
I too agree that Fernanda is a bit much. The child Fernanda was sweet and lively, but not so manic. Sergio Sendel --seems like he's going to be good in this --convincing as F's "love", but also as Barbara's lover and accomplice in nefarious business doings. I'm glad to see that he's not chewing the scenery and throwing phones around.
About Colunga --not only brawny and beautiful, but now also brainy. Wow!!!Summa Cum Laude from Harvard --not bad for a poor Mexican "indio."
Susanlynn --not only does Harvard have a football team, but the Harvard-Yale game is the biggie in Ivy League college football.
So far, I can't say that I'm enthralled, but it seems more hopeful than either TONTAS or CUIDADO.
nj sUE
Isn't the actress playing Gardenia the same as the one in FELS who marries Rigo after being in love with Big Tweedle? (I forget her character's name). The child Gardenia seemed also to be in love with Eduardo and wrote him a nice goodbye letter. Maybe she will be competition for Fernanda?
I think Eduardo did not get in touch with Fernanda sooner because he was waiting to be a success and waiting to have something to offer her. remember how his mother told him there was no future for them because she was rich and he was poor.
I too agree that Fernanda is a bit much. The child Fernanda was sweet and lively, but not so manic. Sergio Sendel --seems like he's going to be good in this --convincing as F's "love", but also as Barbara's lover and accomplice in nefarious business doings. I'm glad to see that he's not chewing the scenery and throwing phones around.
About Colunga --not only brawny and beautiful, but now also brainy. Wow!!!Summa Cum Laude from Harvard --not bad for a poor Mexican "indio."
Susanlynn --not only does Harvard have a football team, but the Harvard-Yale game is the biggie in Ivy League college football.
So far, I can't say that I'm enthralled, but it seems more hopeful than either TONTAS or CUIDADO.
nj sUE
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 5:05:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 5:05:00 PM EST
I think the chocolates under the floorboard have been an ongoing thing. She said she was hiding the box in the same places she's been hiding the chocolates (obviously she'd used this hiding place before, else she wouldn't have found a loose floorboard so easily) and said something like "they haven't found it yet after all this time."
THis suggests that Liliana isn't super-drugged all the time, fortunately, or else she wouldn't be able to sneak chocolates out from under the floorboards.
I thought someone at the hospital said that she'd been sedated that day because she was agitated, but my captions were turned off, and sometimes my ears make things up...
Do we know exactly what the Elizaldes' company does/makes? We've seen cows, and there was talk about powdered milk - is it a dairy?
THis suggests that Liliana isn't super-drugged all the time, fortunately, or else she wouldn't be able to sneak chocolates out from under the floorboards.
I thought someone at the hospital said that she'd been sedated that day because she was agitated, but my captions were turned off, and sometimes my ears make things up...
Do we know exactly what the Elizaldes' company does/makes? We've seen cows, and there was talk about powdered milk - is it a dairy?
I was wondering about Gardenia too. I thought I missed something. When Eduardo read her letter and said "too bad, I'm going to marry Fernanda," I didn't even remember her being with him in such a way that would have given rise to her feelings.
Girl, he's just not that into you.
Girl, he's just not that into you.
Terrific way to start, Pasofino! Thanks a bundle! --I'd thought I'd never seen the redheaded actor who plays El Gringo before, but if you say he's Mario Ivan Martinez, then he's has totally managed to change his "look". He may be brilliant and a fabulous singer, but what gives with the Donald Duck 'do, dude?? Sheesh! I thought those were Miami Dolphin uniforms also, then figured like JudyB, they might have been cheaper to rent in the off-season.... just like the stock footage of Harvard they probably used.....
Carlos: I was extremely unnerved at the lost 15 years of youth little Lil has spent in that place. A true frickin' waste of a life so far.
As for Damian, apparently Evilbitch Babs hired him specifically to work his wiles on Nanda --From what I got to see of him as the gálan in Amarte Es Mi Pecado, a nekkid Sergio can be almost as delectable as a nekkid FC or EY.
The company is supposedly a dairy products syndicate...I guess that means they own all sorts of companies that produce various kinds of dairy products.
Carlos: I was extremely unnerved at the lost 15 years of youth little Lil has spent in that place. A true frickin' waste of a life so far.
As for Damian, apparently Evilbitch Babs hired him specifically to work his wiles on Nanda --From what I got to see of him as the gálan in Amarte Es Mi Pecado, a nekkid Sergio can be almost as delectable as a nekkid FC or EY.
The company is supposedly a dairy products syndicate...I guess that means they own all sorts of companies that produce various kinds of dairy products.
nj Sue: Thanks for helping me match people up. Gardenia appears to be the name of the person I was wondering about. Gardenia is the same woman that played Yazmin, love interest of Senor Checque in LFMB. That is who I was thinking it was. Sorry, but she would not be Rigo's sweetheart from FELS.
Jeff in MN
Jeff in MN
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 6:24:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 6:24:00 PM EST
FC in tight t-shirt, crisp white dress shirt, suit or better still, nothing at all, What can I say except "the best". If you find out he's gay, please don't tell me, I can fantasize, can't I? I was a little surprised that he didn't say more than "thank you " in Inglés after Harvard. But then again, who cares?
I can't believe what they did to Carlos de la Mota, James O'Brien on Destilando Amor, he was so cute on that. I think he is the curly, unruly haired, big eyebrow guy, brother on MEPS.
Thanks, pasofino for the fine recap!
I agree with everyone about it taking 15 yres. to further the verganza plot. After all, it's the wheels of justice that grind slowly, not those of vengeance!
Eddie's an interesting mix - a football player (even if it is at Harvard)- quarter back even (!),& an MBA; yet, after 15 yrs. of no communication, he's in lala-land, thinking he'll just stroll in town, and Fernanda will be his.
His curriculum did not include logic, did it? How did he survive the sharks in business school?
Papa Elizalde is a nincompoop. He has no clue about anything - from marrying the most treacherous woman in Mexico, to having Lili consigned to a "clinic" for 15 yrs. Anyone else would have at least wondered why Lili hasn't gotten "better" (altho she was perfectly ok to begin with) after 15 yrs!! Grrrr....
Watching Sergio Sendel in "Amarte es mi pecado" was a treat. He did a great job as a good guy, and not a villian. He should do more roles as the leading lover.
Finally, yes, Jaime Camil is TMBMOE!! And guapisimo to the nth degree..
I agree with everyone about it taking 15 yres. to further the verganza plot. After all, it's the wheels of justice that grind slowly, not those of vengeance!
Eddie's an interesting mix - a football player (even if it is at Harvard)- quarter back even (!),& an MBA; yet, after 15 yrs. of no communication, he's in lala-land, thinking he'll just stroll in town, and Fernanda will be his.
His curriculum did not include logic, did it? How did he survive the sharks in business school?
Papa Elizalde is a nincompoop. He has no clue about anything - from marrying the most treacherous woman in Mexico, to having Lili consigned to a "clinic" for 15 yrs. Anyone else would have at least wondered why Lili hasn't gotten "better" (altho she was perfectly ok to begin with) after 15 yrs!! Grrrr....
Watching Sergio Sendel in "Amarte es mi pecado" was a treat. He did a great job as a good guy, and not a villian. He should do more roles as the leading lover.
Finally, yes, Jaime Camil is TMBMOE!! And guapisimo to the nth degree..
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 7:13:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 7:13:00 PM EST
I think this is another novela where the actors are too old for the characters that they play.
Eduardo looks much older than 27-30
yrs old. Fernanda looks older than Liliana. In fact Domenika Paleta should hae played the grown up Fernanda. She looks a lot like the little girl who played her as a child. And the little brother Anibal looks older than everyone even Barbara his step mother.
Eduardo looks much older than 27-30
yrs old. Fernanda looks older than Liliana. In fact Domenika Paleta should hae played the grown up Fernanda. She looks a lot like the little girl who played her as a child. And the little brother Anibal looks older than everyone even Barbara his step mother.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 7:26:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 7:26:00 PM EST
Wow, Lola, you're not kidding about Dominika Paleta - I just Google-Image'd her and the resemblance to Kid Fernanda is startling!
Well, Dominika Paleta is six years older than Silvia Navarro, so I get why the writers would choose her to be the older sister even though she looks younger.
It did seem like Silvia was too hyper in the first episodes, but I think it had much to do with the change and the adjusting she needed to do to fit in the typical Televisa style, coming from TV Azteca were she was used to ad lib and improvise any time she felt like it (especially with the commodities of being their most popular actress) it was a big change, since everything in most Televisa Novelas is so strictly taped acording to the script and direction.
Her first scenes in the role actually reminded me of her first starring role in Perla, like ten years ago, when she tended to speak a thoundsand words a minute at the begining, but just like there, she gets better in a few episodes. And at least she doesn't mumble like the girl in Cuidado.
Jarocha
It did seem like Silvia was too hyper in the first episodes, but I think it had much to do with the change and the adjusting she needed to do to fit in the typical Televisa style, coming from TV Azteca were she was used to ad lib and improvise any time she felt like it (especially with the commodities of being their most popular actress) it was a big change, since everything in most Televisa Novelas is so strictly taped acording to the script and direction.
Her first scenes in the role actually reminded me of her first starring role in Perla, like ten years ago, when she tended to speak a thoundsand words a minute at the begining, but just like there, she gets better in a few episodes. And at least she doesn't mumble like the girl in Cuidado.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 8:49:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 8:49:00 PM EST
Come to think of it, Jaq. Bracamontes was excessively "bubbly" in the early days of Tontas too. But she's calmed down since then. Maybe Fernanda will too.
Incidentally, I did recognize Domenika Paleta as Liliana after I did the google search - I just hadn't realized that was her name. During the episode last night, I was so busy trying to decide whether or not she looked like Young Liliana that I didn't even notice how much she looks like Young Fernanda!
Incidentally, I did recognize Domenika Paleta as Liliana after I did the google search - I just hadn't realized that was her name. During the episode last night, I was so busy trying to decide whether or not she looked like Young Liliana that I didn't even notice how much she looks like Young Fernanda!
Good grief, Colunga is about 15 years too old for this role. They should have hired Abuelito from FELS. He's not much older, plus he has a more charming personality.
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:16:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:16:00 PM EST
Jeff in Mn: You're absolutely right. The actress playing Gardenia was Jazmin (the quita-marido) in LFMB. I realized that tonight when I saw her again, and she wasn't Rigo's wife in FELS.
NJ Sue
NJ Sue
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:25:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:25:00 PM EST
Jeff in Mn: You're absolutely right. The actress playing Gardenia was Jazmin (the quita-marido) in LFMB. I realized that tonight when I saw her again, and she wasn't Rigo's wife in FELS.
NJ Sue
NJ Sue
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:26:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 9:26:00 PM EST
Khalilah, thank you for deciphering TMBMOE. Works for me.
Jarocha, you said, "everything in most Televisa Novelas is so strictly taped acording to the script and direction." I'd like to hear more. In Tontas, I think I see a lot of improvising from certain actors, most notably Camil, Avila (Tomas Mora of LFMB), and Silvia Mariscal (Santiago's mother). Camil came up outside the Televisa system so he's accustomed to improvising, Avila came up through comedy and he does stand-up so he thinks on his feet, and Mariscal seems like a well-developed actress. Sometimes it appears Camil even lets Rocío improvise and she does really well - he keeps her on a short leash.
I heard once that Tontas didn't use the ear device, so maybe it was not as tightly directed?
So Jarocha, if you know, please tell me.
A. Am I mistaken, and they are NOT improvising?
B. Is Tontas the exception, and improvisation is expected there?
C. Does the Tontas director just let those three improvise because he knows he'll get a better product if he gives them free rein?
On a related topic, last week I talked to an actress who worked in an American soap for 20 years. I asked her about the improv. She said that normally, you get a skeleton of a script and you know what points need to be covered in a scene. From there the actors deliver the dialog as they wish. But some shows are strictly no-improv, and children must always learn their lines verbatim.
Jarocha, you said, "everything in most Televisa Novelas is so strictly taped acording to the script and direction." I'd like to hear more. In Tontas, I think I see a lot of improvising from certain actors, most notably Camil, Avila (Tomas Mora of LFMB), and Silvia Mariscal (Santiago's mother). Camil came up outside the Televisa system so he's accustomed to improvising, Avila came up through comedy and he does stand-up so he thinks on his feet, and Mariscal seems like a well-developed actress. Sometimes it appears Camil even lets Rocío improvise and she does really well - he keeps her on a short leash.
I heard once that Tontas didn't use the ear device, so maybe it was not as tightly directed?
So Jarocha, if you know, please tell me.
A. Am I mistaken, and they are NOT improvising?
B. Is Tontas the exception, and improvisation is expected there?
C. Does the Tontas director just let those three improvise because he knows he'll get a better product if he gives them free rein?
On a related topic, last week I talked to an actress who worked in an American soap for 20 years. I asked her about the improv. She said that normally, you get a skeleton of a script and you know what points need to be covered in a scene. From there the actors deliver the dialog as they wish. But some shows are strictly no-improv, and children must always learn their lines verbatim.
Paula H.:
It depends alot on the producer, lately, in comedic Telenovelas and on those directed toward teens the direction lets the actors improvise here and there, Rosy Ocampo is one of the producers who believes in giving the actors the confidence to tweak their lines a bit to fit their portrayal, Pedro Damián (Rebelde) is another one, but they have both proven themselves with sucessful telenovelas before, so the trust Televisa gives to them is only extended because of that.
I visited Televisa with my college class three years ago and we got to see the sets and went to a few shows behind the scenes and then we went to visit the taping of some scene of Duelo de Pasiones, with Ludwika Paleta, Rafita and another girl, and it took like half an hour to get the one minute scene, because the girl kept messing the lines, since she was evil and had to grab Ludwika's face every time, at the end of taping poor Ludwika's cheeks were as red as a tomato.
Anyway, the camera crew explained to us that in Televisa all the scenes are previously cheked by a board and that any change that is not according to the original plan is frown upon, so, when scene directors shoot, they always try to be as respectful of the original source as posible, they get in trouble otherwise, and when actors from Venezuela or Colombia come to work in México, they are always surprised about the importance of every part of production given in Televisa, the details of the scripts are quite impresive.
As I said before, the freedom that Pedro Damián and Rosy Ocampo have now, is a product of their constant pleas to the network and the success of their work.
Nicandro Diaz hasn't earned that yet, Destilando wasn't a big hit really, TV Azteca, in efforts to beat Televisa, reran Cuando Seas Mia (the same story, shot a couple of years before, coincidentally with Silvia Navarro in the lead)and that one got better ratings than Destilando, in the 2 pm timeslot.
Jarocha
It depends alot on the producer, lately, in comedic Telenovelas and on those directed toward teens the direction lets the actors improvise here and there, Rosy Ocampo is one of the producers who believes in giving the actors the confidence to tweak their lines a bit to fit their portrayal, Pedro Damián (Rebelde) is another one, but they have both proven themselves with sucessful telenovelas before, so the trust Televisa gives to them is only extended because of that.
I visited Televisa with my college class three years ago and we got to see the sets and went to a few shows behind the scenes and then we went to visit the taping of some scene of Duelo de Pasiones, with Ludwika Paleta, Rafita and another girl, and it took like half an hour to get the one minute scene, because the girl kept messing the lines, since she was evil and had to grab Ludwika's face every time, at the end of taping poor Ludwika's cheeks were as red as a tomato.
Anyway, the camera crew explained to us that in Televisa all the scenes are previously cheked by a board and that any change that is not according to the original plan is frown upon, so, when scene directors shoot, they always try to be as respectful of the original source as posible, they get in trouble otherwise, and when actors from Venezuela or Colombia come to work in México, they are always surprised about the importance of every part of production given in Televisa, the details of the scripts are quite impresive.
As I said before, the freedom that Pedro Damián and Rosy Ocampo have now, is a product of their constant pleas to the network and the success of their work.
Nicandro Diaz hasn't earned that yet, Destilando wasn't a big hit really, TV Azteca, in efforts to beat Televisa, reran Cuando Seas Mia (the same story, shot a couple of years before, coincidentally with Silvia Navarro in the lead)and that one got better ratings than Destilando, in the 2 pm timeslot.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Friday, February 27, 2009 at 10:34:00 PM EST
: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 10:34:00 PM EST
Cheryl, thanks for the info on "Steve". I'll cut the guy some slack seeing as how he is brilliant, talented and multi-lingual...and Eduardo's friend.
Jarocha, that is quite fascinating information. Thank you for sharing your insider knowledge, it makes watching these shows so much more interesting.
Jarocha, thank you so much! I'm always curious about stuff like that, so your information is a real treasure.
Sylvia, I agree we always have to cut the brilliant ones and the beautiful ones some slack.
Isn't it enjoyable to see Sendel looking great and being subtle and complex so far. Don't know how increased pressure from Barbinator with what looks like performance demands (I'm just referring to advance scenes) and she may be more jealous of his attraction to Fernandina which she has already alluded to. We may still get cell phone throwing since he is a world champion and might not like being controlled so much. I still can't figure out why 15 years of no advances is okay with cigarman Artemio. He should just show up at the hacienda, he could wipe out half the family with second or third hand smoke.
So is the milk just disreputable because it will be powdered or is it actually adulterated like the bad tequila in Destilando Amor, guess we will see.
Ibarramedia, Thanks for the youtube links
Isn't it enjoyable to see Sendel looking great and being subtle and complex so far. Don't know how increased pressure from Barbinator with what looks like performance demands (I'm just referring to advance scenes) and she may be more jealous of his attraction to Fernandina which she has already alluded to. We may still get cell phone throwing since he is a world champion and might not like being controlled so much. I still can't figure out why 15 years of no advances is okay with cigarman Artemio. He should just show up at the hacienda, he could wipe out half the family with second or third hand smoke.
So is the milk just disreputable because it will be powdered or is it actually adulterated like the bad tequila in Destilando Amor, guess we will see.
Ibarramedia, Thanks for the youtube links
Jarocha, I really enjoy your observations and experiences too. I certainly felt like Yo Amo a JuanQ was often improvised. There were so many good comedic actors in the cast they could get away with it too. I think the level of experience and skill of the actors plays a part.
Juan Querendon was a bit of both improvisation and script, some actors like Maribel Fernandez "La Pelangocha" are good at the mexican pop culture references, but the level of "Chilango" speak was just too high, Eduardo Santamarina always used to praise the writers for their clevernes with the lines, sometimes even I didn't understand what he was saying and my mom who is even less in touch with those ways of speaking understanded even less, and yet, she loved it.
But once again, Juan Querendon was comedy. Right now there is one airing here called "Un Gancho en el Corazón", wich I'll admit I find hilarious, produced by Angelli Nesma Medina (Al diablo con los guapos) that has seemed to follow the same trend with great results.
But once again, Juan Querendon was comedy. Right now there is one airing here called "Un Gancho en el Corazón", wich I'll admit I find hilarious, produced by Angelli Nesma Medina (Al diablo con los guapos) that has seemed to follow the same trend with great results.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 2:21:00 AM EST
: Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 2:21:00 AM EST
Jarocha, please tell us more about Gancho. Is it actually playing in Mexico? If it's by the Guapos team, maybe I'll try to check it out on Youtube.
Are you in Mexico yourself? If so, how come you're following along with our forum, which is months behind? Thanks for your interesting comments, and I hope you continue.
Are you in Mexico yourself? If so, how come you're following along with our forum, which is months behind? Thanks for your interesting comments, and I hope you continue.
Thanks Jarocha, so interesting...
jb
jb
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 9:52:00 AM EST
: Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 9:52:00 AM EST
Thanks for that info, Jarocha! That was fascinating!
I can somewhat understand why Destilando didn't do well in Mexico. Lengthy portions of it seemed to be intended for prospective tourists and tequila enthusiasts, and were somewhat documentary-like. Interesting to me, for sure, but probably really dull for the Mexican audience!
I can somewhat understand why Destilando didn't do well in Mexico. Lengthy portions of it seemed to be intended for prospective tourists and tequila enthusiasts, and were somewhat documentary-like. Interesting to me, for sure, but probably really dull for the Mexican audience!
One week has passed and you will need 10 extra large beanie hats to wear. There is just so many glaring mistakes in terms of attention to detail and consistency. We all chuckled at the time slip with regards to Liliana and her idol Cindy Lauper. The poster on the wall and 'Girls Just Want to Have Fun' was popular in 1983-84. I know because I lived through it as a youngster and was also in a dj crew. Babs could have told the producers about it since she is like a contemporary. Unless she forgot so soon. ;) They would have been better off using Madonna since she transcends all eras so far. Or Jesus Jones and C+C Music factory..... :) They were right with the vintage computers since they were big and bulky from the Windows 3.0-1 Era.
Very few people had cell phone then and they were the size of a brick. Lol. Cigarman gets a break for that.
So now we know that our dearest Babs is like a sleeper agent. I can't believe that for 15 years, there had been no significant activity. Then all of a sudden it resumes. I like Babs or rather the woman playing her. Those eyes with the deep mascara lines are irresistible. And she lost some baby fat in her face...Former Fuego viewers must think I have questionable taste in women. LMAO. ;) I think she may turn good in the future or she may be related to one or the other of the protagonists..... i'm reluctant to see beautiful girls as bad guys. :)
There are numerous mistakes in the Harvard football scene to the trained eye. We all know they got the uniforms wrong and used some colors being used by the Miami Dolphins. In reality it is a generic football uniform with no real team markings. It is rare that they have a quarterback do tackling drills, which were in awful form btw. Unless that QB throws a great deal of interceptions.
You don't say ready 1,2,3. Line calls are usually Hut, Hike ,Go on 1,2, or 3 depending on the snap count and terminology of the offensive system. He's on shutgun formation and picking up a horrible snap . i think the ball even hit the ground before he got it. Bad throw btw. It would have been better if they did NOT shoot a football scene. Football Rant/Off. Sorry, having played the game You notice this things.
I'm not sure what the argument was about powdered milk vs fresh milk. I did not catch that. Powdered milk is cheaper and not as popular in the US, but it exists...
Gotta say that Babs has not aged a bit. :) Looking real good while Anibal looks like her dad. And she is the stepmom.
I'm having trouble with the logic of marrying a childhood girl who you have not seen since the 2nd or 4th grade.(First holy communion is usually in 2nd grade)and then no communication due to the hidden letter of course. I mean they did not even recognize each other after Fernanda splashed mud over Eduardo's clothes.. It would seem she has moved on and he did not. After all these years. And he never messed around with other girls while in the states.
I find Babs move when sneaking around interesting. Especially the way she backpedals and whatnot. The stairs in the Big house nad the second floor look hauntingly similar. Almost like a deja vu. :)
The dialogue seems to be a little harder to follow and I get what most of you are saying about Fernanda talking fast. almost as fast as Marichuy talks. But more understandable than Columbians.
I checked out wikipedia and someone altered the number of episodes listed. It is now 120 as opposed to 330. I don't know what is really true...
Ibarramedia
Very few people had cell phone then and they were the size of a brick. Lol. Cigarman gets a break for that.
So now we know that our dearest Babs is like a sleeper agent. I can't believe that for 15 years, there had been no significant activity. Then all of a sudden it resumes. I like Babs or rather the woman playing her. Those eyes with the deep mascara lines are irresistible. And she lost some baby fat in her face...Former Fuego viewers must think I have questionable taste in women. LMAO. ;) I think she may turn good in the future or she may be related to one or the other of the protagonists..... i'm reluctant to see beautiful girls as bad guys. :)
There are numerous mistakes in the Harvard football scene to the trained eye. We all know they got the uniforms wrong and used some colors being used by the Miami Dolphins. In reality it is a generic football uniform with no real team markings. It is rare that they have a quarterback do tackling drills, which were in awful form btw. Unless that QB throws a great deal of interceptions.
You don't say ready 1,2,3. Line calls are usually Hut, Hike ,Go on 1,2, or 3 depending on the snap count and terminology of the offensive system. He's on shutgun formation and picking up a horrible snap . i think the ball even hit the ground before he got it. Bad throw btw. It would have been better if they did NOT shoot a football scene. Football Rant/Off. Sorry, having played the game You notice this things.
I'm not sure what the argument was about powdered milk vs fresh milk. I did not catch that. Powdered milk is cheaper and not as popular in the US, but it exists...
Gotta say that Babs has not aged a bit. :) Looking real good while Anibal looks like her dad. And she is the stepmom.
I'm having trouble with the logic of marrying a childhood girl who you have not seen since the 2nd or 4th grade.(First holy communion is usually in 2nd grade)and then no communication due to the hidden letter of course. I mean they did not even recognize each other after Fernanda splashed mud over Eduardo's clothes.. It would seem she has moved on and he did not. After all these years. And he never messed around with other girls while in the states.
I find Babs move when sneaking around interesting. Especially the way she backpedals and whatnot. The stairs in the Big house nad the second floor look hauntingly similar. Almost like a deja vu. :)
The dialogue seems to be a little harder to follow and I get what most of you are saying about Fernanda talking fast. almost as fast as Marichuy talks. But more understandable than Columbians.
I checked out wikipedia and someone altered the number of episodes listed. It is now 120 as opposed to 330. I don't know what is really true...
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Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 1:52:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 1:52:00 PM EST
The Elizalde business appears to be dairy products. Surprising since I thought the one it was based on, Pura Sangre, involved raising thoroughbred horses. I think Fernanda was talking about some sort of trade fair that would specialize in artisanal cheeses.
So, I think the conflict is between Papá and Fernanda's desire to make the traditional, labor-intensive type of cheese and the plot between Anibal and Barbinator to use cheap powdered milk in the product to raise profits. Or Barbinator plans to get them to adulterate the quality of their products and then reveal this to ruin them, not sure if that's the ultimate goal.
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So, I think the conflict is between Papá and Fernanda's desire to make the traditional, labor-intensive type of cheese and the plot between Anibal and Barbinator to use cheap powdered milk in the product to raise profits. Or Barbinator plans to get them to adulterate the quality of their products and then reveal this to ruin them, not sure if that's the ultimate goal.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 3:18:00 PM EST
: Saturday, February 28, 2009 at 3:18:00 PM EST
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