Saturday, March 21, 2009
MEPS, 03/20/09: All In The Family
Capítulo 25
[Univision’s captioning is still hit and miss and Chipmunk dialect is not my strong suit, so any bi-lingual viewers out there feel free to correct my interpretation of events. –Ed.]
As a heartbroken and pensive Eduardo thinks back to Fernanda’s reaction when she first heard that his mother might actually be dead, he laments that now the only thing that binds the two of them together is their terrible pain.
Eddie’s definitely gotten an eyeful today, but hey, the party’s just begun. Any Balls suddenly appears with a drink for Grupo Lactos’ guest of honor and shoves it into Eddie’s hand. Fr/Eddie asks him if the bride ever returned. AB says she’s back at the house but won’t come out right now because she’s still upset at the joke they played on her. Ed laughs with fake amusement at the so-called prank and says, “You mean to say that the person wasn’t really dead?” AB cavalierly answers, “Who knows? It was just one of the employees who left service years ago.” Fr/Ed feigns the same kind of nonchalance. Just then Prissy comes running over and drags AB away with her. There’s something her hubby urgently needs to see.
Up at the main house, Gonzo and Babs continue discussing Sole’s death and the dirty trick with the flowers. He says he noted that Jacinto was acting weird while Fernanda and he were in the carriage right before the ceremony. However, Gonzo tells her that he doesn’t think Jacinto and Gardenia could have done something so contemptible. He decides to go looking for ‘Cinto to get his side of things. Babs says she’s coming too, only she has to refresh her makeup first. While Gonzo goes downstairs to wait for her, the Barbinator smiles back at the mirror triumphantly and touches up her bionic mask.
Apparently Cad made good on his threat to give Errika a lesson she wouldn’t forget. He has beaten Err senseless, literally. (Not that the poor girl wasn’t far from passing out anyway by this point. --Don’t misunderstand. Viewerville, though fondly remembering certain youthful indiscretions regarding a variety of college-era bouts of inebriated bliss in happier circumstances, hopes that in Errika’s case, the girl was too tanked to feel anything—at least as much as that misogynistic miscreant of an SOB was hoping she might.) AB and Prissy find Cad in the back and thankfully out of sight of the guests, and still punching away at poor comatose Errika. They stare in horror at the rotten mess he’s made of things for them. AB pulls Cadmilo off Err and yells at Prissy to try to bring her to and get her up to her bedroom. He pushes Cadmilo back toward the reception area while trying to talk some sense into the b@stard. Prissy tries but can’t seem to get Errika to come to.
Back inside, Fer, Santiago and Aurora return from the gravesite. Nanda yells at her father that Sole has been dead for three days and she wants to know if he knew about it. Gonzo, still oblivious to most of what’s transpiring around him, says no. He tells her she should have a long talk with Babs about the details surrounding Sole’s death, though she doesn’t see the sense in it.
AB gets back to Fr/Eduardo who asks if something is wrong. AB laughs nervously and covers by saying it was nothing important, just women being dramatic. Fr/Ed says it’s been real, but he’s got to head out now because he’s still got a few personal things to attend to. He promises Any Balls to continue their business discussion the following day and tells him to tell the rest of the family good-bye for him. AB watches Fr/Eddie walk off and seemingly deflates.
While Gonzo is arguing with Fernanda up at the main house, Barbinator Barbie sneaks out and takes a detour to the rear drive and gets into the SUV where Lucio and Jacinto are waiting. “Jacinto you’re going to remember this date for the rest of your life. If you love Señorita Fernanda as you say, I’ll give you reason now to adore her,” she says and flashes him an evil smile.
Gonzo goes upstairs looking for Babs so Fernanda can have that mother-daughter chat. Nanda tells Santiago in the meantime that she’s determined to go back into town to find out who sent those flowers and why they wanted to ruin her wedding. Aurora suggests it might be better if she gets her husband to take her to town and the three of them head out back to find Damian.
On the front drive, Eduardo walks toward his car and finds Nanda’s veil lying in the middle of the pavement. He picks it up and then angrily rips it apart, fighting back his tears. (Ok. Ok. I know. Big boys don’t cry; but I got to admit that watching this handsome lunkhead misting up, I couldn’t help from yelling at my t.v. while dear hubby catnapped in the background, how much I’d love to have this hunk of celluloid beefcake crying on my shoulder.) Estev, aka Dewey Duckworth, suddenly rings Eddie on his cell to ask how it went with the wedding. (Note to Hairstylist: Can we please do something with this dude’s top-crop? I mean, the harsh carrot color’s bad enough, but really, every time they put a camera on this guy I feel like he’s got to have a couple of brothers somewhere named Huey and Louie…) Eddie starts to lose it here. He tells Dewey that being at Fernanda’s wedding was his worst nightmare and that he proved to himself the Elizaldes are human scum.
Estev commiserates with his BFF (best foreign friend) in his best, flatly accented Spanglo and tells Eduardo to stay strong, to see this thing through to the end, for the sake of justice —and to remember that he’s always there for him. Ed clicks off and finally mans up. As he gets into his car he notices Prissy shutting the rear door of Errika’s car and walking quickly away towards the garden.
At the same time, Fernanda and Co. find Damnian out back. She calls him over to tell him that her nana not only is dead but that she died three days ago! Dam acts like shut-my-mouth! impactado. However, when she tells him she’s going back to town to find out about the flowers and the burial and says she wants him to go with her, Dam asks why now when they’ve still got guests there? (Naw, Wrong answer, oh Newly-Married-Male-One: everybody knows that once the booze starts flowing, the tapas are tasty and toes start tapping, the bride and groom are the last thing wedding guests miss.) Nanda cannot believe Damnian’s insensitivity.
Eddie walks over to Errika’s car on a whim and sees her bloody and battered, lying senseless in the back seat of her car.
Out back, Damnian suggests that Fernanda and he stay there a bit longer, cut the cake, and then go together into town. She says nothin’ doin’ and asks him just what’s so hard to understand about the fact that the woman who raised her like her own mother is dead and that she’s in pain over it? Dam just stares stupidly back at her. She loses all patience and says, “So, fine. You can stay with the guests and I’ll go to town myself!” “--What should I tell them if they ask where you are?” She screams back at him. “Tell them the truth! I’m in.dis.posed!” She stomps off in disgust. Santiago, who’s been observing this display of husbandly compassion from the latest cretin to join the Elizalde family, tells his new BIL that while he’s at it to “have several drinks to our health,” before walking off to catch up to his sister and Aurora.
Meanwhile pathetic Gonzo, who always seems like his bell is missing its clapper, is still walking in circles looking for Babs and the others. However, BOW is still in the SUV and has just made ‘Cinto a proposition which he reluctantly accepts. She tells Lucio to watch him like a hawk and warns Jacinto that now that he’s agreed to this, not to even think of trying anything with her. [pasarse de listo = trying to be a wise-ass or being too smart by half]
Anibal walks over now to Damnian and tells him that before he leaves in the morning on his honeymoon that he must have all sorts of financial reports ready to be examined, and if he thinks marrying into the family negates his responsibilities at the company he’s got another think comin’. If Dam doesn’t come up with those reports, AB will throw him out of the company on his miserable ass-ets “—or my name isn’t Anibal Elizalde!” Poor Dam. As if he didn’t have enough on his plate, now Mama walks over for a chat with Sonny. (Cue the violins.) Mama asks Dam what he and AB were discussing. Dam answers wryly that it was just AB giving him a “little wedding present.” Of course, Ursula, being Numero Uno of the Blue-haired Bimbo set, praises the Elizaldes for being such a considerate bunch. He starts to walk off in disgust saying he needs another drink, but Mama grabs Sonny by the arm for some motherly advice. She reminds him to go easy on the liquor because it’s his wedding night and he’s going to need to be “up” for it. [estar en sus cinco sentidos = on your toes] This finally gives Damnian something to smile about: legitimately getting Fernanda into his bed.
On the way into town Aurora asks if Sole had any relatives there. Nanda and Santiago comment that Sole had one son who they kept far away from there. Fer explains that the last they heard he was off in a foreign country completing his education. She clams up and starts thinking to herself what a terrible blow it will be for him, finding out that his mother died.
We beam back to the reception where Cadmilo is literally falling-down drunk. AB tries grabbing for him, but misses. (Ok. Ok. Now who hasn’t been to at least one or two wedding receptions like this one? The real rip-snorters where feisty family members get drunk as skunks, scream insults at each other in front of the guests, then puke and pass out while the band plays on and the guests keep knockin' back the booze cuz, well, hey, it's an open bar and nobody wants to let all that free food and fine liquor go to waste.) Anibal yells at Cad to get up and go sleep it off back at the house as he notices Fr/Ed walking back into the reception just in time to have caught the entire scene. AB suddenly looks like he has just realized he’s in the middle of a dream and standing in front of a crowd with nothing on but a fig leaf. Prissy runs over to him, careful to step around her drunken lout of a BIL who's completely passed out in the middle of the guests, to ask for the keys to Errika’s car so she can take her home. Fr/Ed says there’s something else he needs to discuss. (By now Fr/Eddie has got to be thinking just like the rest of us that trash is trash; and the only thing different about this family’s wedding reception was the cost of the booze and the band.) AB yells over at Prissy to have a couple waiters drag Cadmilo up to his bedroom and races back over to Fr/Ed, surprised and mucho pleased that he’s reappeared. AB asks Fr/Ed to have a drink with him. Fr/Ed looks over his shoulder, frowns at Cadmilo and says “Ok, if it’s just one.”
Now Babs walks back into the house and tells Gonzo that she went looking for Jacinto but couldn’t find him, or Gardenia either for that matter. Gonzo tells her that Fer confirmed Soledad's death and he wants Babs to explain to his daughter why she never bothered to tell her about it. On cue Babs starts the waterworks up again. She tells Gonzo that she’s so frightened that Fernanda will hate her after she tries to explain that she was only complying (sob, hiccup, sob) with Soledad’s last wishes (sob, sob, hiccup) and wanting simply to avoid so much pain so close to her wedding day. Gonzo takes her in his arms to console her as Viewerville gags once again in utter disgust.
Fr/Ed "explains" to Anibal that when he went out to his car his boss in NY called to tell him they’re so impressed with Grupo Lactos that he wants to meet with the owners to discuss finances for some big proposal tomorrow. AB says he’s on track with that. Eddie asks if Damian is able to fly up there for it. Anibal says the guy’s not only the company financial officer, but he’s a member of the family now and that makes things easier for them. So Fr/Eddie asks if the bride might have a problem with this. AB says leave that to him and smiles.
In town, Nanda is impactada to find out from the funeral home director that it that it was ‘Cinto who bought Sole’s coffin, while back at home her daddy orders Lucio to find Jacinto and bring him back to the house immediately for an explanation. Babs reminds him they’ll have to wait for Fernanda to get back and assures him that when Nanda returns, she will explain everything to her as asked.
On the poorer side of town, Silvestre confronts Martina about the money he found in the cookie box.
Fernanda gets back a few minutes later and tells Babs and Daddy that Soledad has been dead three days and that Jacinto was the one who bought the casket for her. She wonders if Jacinto could have written that card. Gonzo says he doesn’t want to jump to conclusions; he wants to wait and hear what Jacinto has to say for himself. Just then ‘Cinto, looking like he’s just been hit in the gut, enters the room.
Back in town across the tracks, Martina lies and says the money was a girlfriend’s who got it from her tanda (neighborhood-style credit union) and she simply asked Martina to hold on to it while she went to the movies with her boyfriend. Martina planned on handing it over to her the next morning. Silvestre says fine, but it’s too dangerous keeping other people’s money like that around the place and smiles dotingly at the wonderful little girl the Good Lord gave him.
We beam back to the main house where Santiago is showing the two waiters who’ve dragged Cadmilo upstairs, to his bedroom. Downstairs, in another part of the house, Fernanda demands the truth from Jacinto about the funeral and why he kept Soledad’s death from her. Jacinto tells her that only he and Margarita attended the burial and answers that no, Eduardo still doesn’t know anything because they tried calling but weren’t able to speak with him. Then Fernanda hands him over the card that came with the bouquet. He swears that he knows nothing about it and certainly never sent it. She asks where Margarita is then. He admits she left him and says he doesn’t know exactly, but he thinks that perhaps she’s staying with her cousin, Floricita. Then Fernanda demands to know why he never thought to inform either her or her father about Sole’s death. Before answering, Cinto takes a minute to think back about Ed telling him that the two of them were going to have to do things La Hiena’s way for the time-being.
In town at Flor’s place, Florecita suggest Margo go looking for Cinto if she’s really so worried about him. Margo is afraid that if she asks him anything he’ll either lie to her again, or if it turns out to be another woman, she won’t be able to face the truth. Then Denia and Flor start arguing over Jacinto’s virtues and vices; then they argue over whether it was actually La Hiena she saw getting’ it on in the backseat with Fernanda’s intended that night. FF>> In the end Margo ignores their grousing and leaves to find Jacinto.
Babs nearly has a heart attack when Jacinto asks to speak with Fernanda alone. Gonzo says fine and drags her away with him. Meanwhile, Nanda complains to ‘Cinto that she had a right to be there during the burial and wonders why he decided to keep it quiet. Jacinto tells Nanda the same story as BOW’s: that it was at Soledad's request, that she made them swear that if she died before Nanda’s wedding, they were not to let her know so that the bad news wouldn’t spoil her wedding day for her. Fer accepts this version and then wants to know if Sole died alone. Cinto lies and says yes, alone. She says she finds it hard to believe that she was buried and her son wasn’t there to witness it. So, then she asks if Barbara knew. Jacinto swallows hard before answering this one.
Outside at the reception again, Santiago mentions to Aurora that Soledad was sad for much of her life because she was separated from her son.
AB now catches up to Prissy and they compare notes. He asks what she did with Cad and she tells him he was taken to his room. She complains about the scene that Cadmilo made and AB says yeah, especially in front of Franco Santoro. However, amazingly enough, the guy still wants to do business with the family. He asks what she did with Errika. Prissy says she had the keys to drive her home, but when she went back to her car she was missing. AB says one of the guests might have taken her home, or perhaps she woke up and got a chauffeur or a taxi for the ride home. Prissy says she’ll make sure and give her a call tomorrow. AB says not to bother, because as soon as she gets up and the booze wears off, the lush will call there begging his brother to come back to her. Sad commentary, this, and Prissy says as much. AB excuses himself and goes off to talk to his father.
Eduardo arrives back home and gently takes Err out of his car. He carries her inside his house and up to a bedroom to put her to bed.
AB tells Babs and Gonzo that it’s necessary for Damian to travel to NYC the next day. He argues with Babs, who refuses to go along with the idea because she thinks it’s wrong to send him up there when he should be on his honeymoon. Any Balls is adamant that the company’s future is more important than any honeymoon. (I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that this guy is spewing this claptrap because he wasn’t exactly able to fully appreciate his own honeymoon –and not because Prissy wasn’t sexy enough or ready and willing.) Fernanda interrupts them to get Babs to join her in the discussion with Jacinto. Jacinto tells Nanda then that yes, her stepmother knew, but only because he didn’t know what else to do but ask her for her advice.
Babs, her eyes filled with crocodile tears and her voice trembling, says Jacinto is telling the truth. The only thing she could think to do at that point was to comply with her nana’s last wishes and that’s exactly what she did. She was the one who gave Jacinto the money to bury her with, but she never counted on that flower arrangement or the note. Fernanda says well if nobody else knew but you, Jacinto, and Margarita then who sent the note? Babs says, like it’s just dawned on her, that only one other person knew: Gardenia! Poor Jacinto is ready to have an aneurysm because he’s just realized that he forgot to mention that little tidbit to Fernanda earlier while they were alone. Nanda tells him to let Gardenia know she wants to speak with her. He says fine and she sends him on his way so she can speak to Babs alone. BOW gives Jacinto a warning look as she shuts the door in his face.
Babs now promises Nanda that she will take it upon herself to find out who it was that ruined the day for her and she will make sure they’re fired. Fer says she doesn’t think it was any of them. Babs meekly asks, “Who was it?”
Said guilty party is at that very moment stoking a fire in his living room and remembering Fernanda flirting with him again and asking if she finally will get to find out what his name is. “Never, Fernanda. You will never learn that behind Franco Santoro’s identity is Eduardo, the man who loves you.”
Once more at the reception, Damian is sharing tragos (a few drinks) and talking with the other good looking mystery man at the wedding, his best buddy, Vladimir. Vlad notices Prissy as she walks by chatting away with a guest. Damnian explains she’s his BIL’s wife, the BIL who eventually will inherit the business. Vlad is definitely interested in Prissy now. He can’t take his eyes off her and asks Damian to introduce him. He does. Any Balls walks over right after and tells Dam he’s got to speak to him right away back at the house. Dam leaves Prissy with Vlad, who starts flirting then offers to get her a drink. Prissy blushes and is suddenly all smiles. (Heck. Can you really blame her?)
Up at the house again, Gonzo and AB inform Dam he’s going to NYC on company business the next morning.
Back at Las Animas, Eddie calls Dewey and tells him that Damian Gallardo will be travelling to NYC to meet with him. Estev promises to keep the jerk so busy with reports that he won’t be able to breathe and congratulates Eduardo on the way that he managed to ruin the newlyweds’ honeymoon. Eduardo says he’s not sure about that since Fernanda just might decide to fly up there with her new husband after all.
Speaking of the Queen of Rome, Fernanda walks out just as Damian says he and she will be leaving in the morning. She assures him that she won’t be traveling anywhere because as of tomorrow she’ll be busy with Soledad’s remains and then demands that Gonzo have Sole’s remains buried in the family crypt.
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Advances: Looks like Eddie lets Margarita in on the con next time.
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What a wonderful recap and I am all the more impressed that you used no closed captions. In Houston they are not available from Univision so I am totally at the mercy of giving and talented people as yourself.
Martina better be careful or her nose will grow!
rsk
Martina better be careful or her nose will grow!
rsk
Permalink posted by 
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 1:44:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 1:44:00 PM EDT
Thank you, thank you. I missed an awful lot last night and wasn't really sure what was going on, especially with them talking about sending Damian to NY.
What's the deal with Power Milk? That is, does Esteve work there? If so, doesn't he risk getting fired (or arrested) for participating in this scam?
If not, how are they going to be able to pull this off when Damian shows up? Won't he know he's not dealing with Power Milk?
Sorry, I'm a little confused about this!
What's the deal with Power Milk? That is, does Esteve work there? If so, doesn't he risk getting fired (or arrested) for participating in this scam?
If not, how are they going to be able to pull this off when Damian shows up? Won't he know he's not dealing with Power Milk?
Sorry, I'm a little confused about this!
Cadmilo makes me sick. Hitting a woman. What a jerk! Any balls if he had any should have straightened up this brother by giving him a dose of his own medicine. I can't stand Santiago's hair, but love how supportive he is of his sister. Prissy sure was smiling when Vladimir was flirting with her. Any balls better watch out or would he really care? Eduardo/Franco looked so darn good. YUM!
Thanks Jardinera for your wonderful recap. And to think you did it without recaps. You go girl! I joined the novela late so was one of the unfortunate ones who was confused by the nicknames especially when they changed several times for the same person. Not to worry, I made a list from your recap and it has helped me to know who's who everytime their name appears in a different form. (I didn't include the no-brainers like Flor = Florecita or Sole = Soledad).
1. Eduardo, Fr/Eduardo, Fr/Ed, Eddie, Fr/Eddie, Ed, Franco Santoro.
2. Fernanda, Nanda, Fer
3. Babs, Barbinator, BOW, Barbinator Barbie,
4. Camilo, CAD, Camilho
5. Damnian, Dam, Damian, Sonny
6. Erika, Err, Errika,
7. Anibal, Anyballs, AB,
8. Pricilla, Prissy
9. Jacinto, Cinto,
10. Margo, Margarita
11. Gardenia, Denia
1. Eduardo, Fr/Eduardo, Fr/Ed, Eddie, Fr/Eddie, Ed, Franco Santoro.
2. Fernanda, Nanda, Fer
3. Babs, Barbinator, BOW, Barbinator Barbie,
4. Camilo, CAD, Camilho
5. Damnian, Dam, Damian, Sonny
6. Erika, Err, Errika,
7. Anibal, Anyballs, AB,
8. Pricilla, Prissy
9. Jacinto, Cinto,
10. Margo, Margarita
11. Gardenia, Denia
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 2:30:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 2:30:00 PM EDT
Thanks for another wonderful recap, Jardinera. Especially useful in light of our caption problem. I enjoyed the drama of the main events, while in the background, the reception guests just partied away, oblivious and uncaring. I hope Erika can see it's time to break off with Camilho.
La Paloma
La Paloma
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 2:33:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 2:33:00 PM EDT
Thanks, rsk! You're too kind, but the comments are most appreciated. Love your comment about Martina's nose! You can't watch these two without straining to catch a glimpse of her strings, can you?
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Yer welcome, Julie. The hubster was just as frustrated as you and probably tons of other blogueros with the screwed up CC! As for the Power Milk scam, I believe they researched this company back in college or something like. Anyway, they know enough about the innerworkings of this multi-national company and the history of Grupo Lactos to buffalo the Elizaldes and string them along just long enough to pull it off --at least that's the plan, I think. Estev is going to pretend somehow that the offices there are associated or something. I don't know any more than you how the writers plan to work it out.
We know eventually they'll probably get caught, but I love the way the ruse is progressing. Who knows? Maybe the telenovela gods will actually let them accomplish what they've set out to do and that will be just as much fun to watch.
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Welcome, Gloria!
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Yer welcome, Julie. The hubster was just as frustrated as you and probably tons of other blogueros with the screwed up CC! As for the Power Milk scam, I believe they researched this company back in college or something like. Anyway, they know enough about the innerworkings of this multi-national company and the history of Grupo Lactos to buffalo the Elizaldes and string them along just long enough to pull it off --at least that's the plan, I think. Estev is going to pretend somehow that the offices there are associated or something. I don't know any more than you how the writers plan to work it out.
We know eventually they'll probably get caught, but I love the way the ruse is progressing. Who knows? Maybe the telenovela gods will actually let them accomplish what they've set out to do and that will be just as much fun to watch.
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Welcome, Gloria!
Welcome Brand New! Thanks! Now that you know where we are it won't take long to catch up by reading the earlier recaps also.
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La Paloma: Ironic but true about the way the wedding guests were portrayed in this, but they say there has to be a grain of truth for anything seen to be humorous.
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La Paloma: Ironic but true about the way the wedding guests were portrayed in this, but they say there has to be a grain of truth for anything seen to be humorous.
Thanks Jardinera,
I don't understand the logic of Ed's plan since Barb is already assigned to destroy the Elizalde's family. I'm sure that later on his actions will prove to be not as treacherous as they appear at this point. I'm not complaining. This is waaaaay more interesting than FELS which I had to give up on. That started out to be a beautiful wedding with the horses and all. Hey, does anyone know how common "regular" weddings are in Mexico as compared to weddings where they wear the native costumes? Thanks
I don't understand the logic of Ed's plan since Barb is already assigned to destroy the Elizalde's family. I'm sure that later on his actions will prove to be not as treacherous as they appear at this point. I'm not complaining. This is waaaaay more interesting than FELS which I had to give up on. That started out to be a beautiful wedding with the horses and all. Hey, does anyone know how common "regular" weddings are in Mexico as compared to weddings where they wear the native costumes? Thanks
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 2:56:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 2:56:00 PM EDT
Variopinto Thank you for the URL. I needed the chapter and the URL said it was 25, so I got to watch what happened. I hate it when I miss the soap, because I have to go out and my VCR is broken.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 3:12:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 3:12:00 PM EDT
Thanks, Jardinera. So Esteve doesn't own PowerMilk. I am confused. Esteve and Fr/Ed went to Harvard together, verdad ? Did they then work together in a company ? Was it Esteve's father's company ? Who is Esteve working for now ? Does Fr/Ed just want to get Dam away from Nanda ? Betty, I had a student from Mexico who brought her wedding suit in for a speech she gave about Mexico. It was a traditional suit ..white with a long skirt.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 3:26:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 3:26:00 PM EDT
Thank you so much, Jardinera, I missed so much last night, w/o captions, and the dialog just was not sinking in.
Dewy Duckworth, indeed! That's who Esteve reminds me of. What is with his accent- is english or spanish hie first language? Remember that horrible accent that de la Mota (Santiago) used in DA? THAT hurt even my ears. I am at a loss as to how they are going to pull off the NYC end of the ruse. Meet in restaurants or hotel rooms? Doesn't make sense so far...tho I was expecting Cad to do something to Erika, it still shocked me when I saw it He truly is a ratbastard, and deserves anything that comes his way. Beating up a drunk woman. Think Eddy might get a pound of flesh out of him, as he's taken her under his wing, she will no doubt tell the story, and more. Why does Eddy park at the gate and walk (carry Erika) the 100 yards to the house? Didn't they give him the keys?
Babs and Fernanda are beauties, but both Aurora and Gardenia are real cuties, too.
Later,I'm going to rewatch the episode on utube, to see if I can understand any more than I did last nite, it was just wierd...
dorado dave
Dewy Duckworth, indeed! That's who Esteve reminds me of. What is with his accent- is english or spanish hie first language? Remember that horrible accent that de la Mota (Santiago) used in DA? THAT hurt even my ears. I am at a loss as to how they are going to pull off the NYC end of the ruse. Meet in restaurants or hotel rooms? Doesn't make sense so far...tho I was expecting Cad to do something to Erika, it still shocked me when I saw it He truly is a ratbastard, and deserves anything that comes his way. Beating up a drunk woman. Think Eddy might get a pound of flesh out of him, as he's taken her under his wing, she will no doubt tell the story, and more. Why does Eddy park at the gate and walk (carry Erika) the 100 yards to the house? Didn't they give him the keys?
Babs and Fernanda are beauties, but both Aurora and Gardenia are real cuties, too.
Later,I'm going to rewatch the episode on utube, to see if I can understand any more than I did last nite, it was just wierd...
dorado dave
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 3:30:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 3:30:00 PM EDT
Does anyone remember Benny Hill? I thought that would be perfect background music with all the scene changes and everyone running around from location to location...all around the grounds, in and out of the house and driving all over the countryside.
Lol...Martina's nose will keep on growing I'm sure.
Thanks, Jardinera, for your always fun and informative recap. GinCA
Lol...Martina's nose will keep on growing I'm sure.
Thanks, Jardinera, for your always fun and informative recap. GinCA
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:00:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:00:00 PM EDT
Gardenia is sexy an hot without her maid clothes on. I like the way her hair is when it is not tied down.
Martina and her friend, Andrea from guapos are hot too.
It is about time that Eduardo told Margarita. That is the only way to help out his loyal friend Jacinto.
Ibarramedia
Martina and her friend, Andrea from guapos are hot too.
It is about time that Eduardo told Margarita. That is the only way to help out his loyal friend Jacinto.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:25:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:25:00 PM EDT
What I don't understand is why the penny didn't drop for Fernanda in that she realized that her new hubby had told her in the seemingly endless leadup to the wedding that he had seen Soledad and knew about the supposed hair salon appointment. OK, maybe it's a beanie adjustment I need.
I'm pretty sure the Power Milk scam came out of Eduardo's computer research in the hotel room. It's assumed that he and Esteve worked this up in conversations we're not privy to. I don't think Esteve really has anything to do with that company. It won't be that hard for Esteve, supposedly another Harvard MBA like Eduardo, to fool Damian into thinking he's head man at a fake company - meetings in hotel suites, etc.
I also went without the net last night, completely turning off the useless and annoying captions.
I hope Jacinto reunites soon with the completely annoying Margarita and we have a lot less of her scowling and Jacinto looking guilty and foolish.
By the way, I HATE the music. Not the theme song, but the quasi-religious, monk-chanting sound they play when some big treachery is being revealed.
I'm pretty sure the Power Milk scam came out of Eduardo's computer research in the hotel room. It's assumed that he and Esteve worked this up in conversations we're not privy to. I don't think Esteve really has anything to do with that company. It won't be that hard for Esteve, supposedly another Harvard MBA like Eduardo, to fool Damian into thinking he's head man at a fake company - meetings in hotel suites, etc.
I also went without the net last night, completely turning off the useless and annoying captions.
I hope Jacinto reunites soon with the completely annoying Margarita and we have a lot less of her scowling and Jacinto looking guilty and foolish.
By the way, I HATE the music. Not the theme song, but the quasi-religious, monk-chanting sound they play when some big treachery is being revealed.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:29:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:29:00 PM EDT
The actriz playing Fernanda is outstanding. Hers is a much more effective and enganging performance than that of the woman who played Sophia in FELS. Fernanda's grief at the gravesite was palpable. However, neither talent approaches that of Angelica Rivera, mi favorita.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:36:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:36:00 PM EDT
Jardiniera, I forgot to tell you your recap was wonderful and pretty darn funny, as well.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:38:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 4:38:00 PM EDT
Thanks for the recap Jardinera. You did a great job without captions.
I was horrified that Cad was beating unconscious Erika. I can't wait to see when he gets what's coming to him.
Based on the preview, I'm glad Margo is going to know about Fr/Ed so poor Jacinto can get some relieve. My concern is Gardinera. They may have to tell her but we all know she'll get angry and spill the beans.
Welcome BrandNew and thanks for the list.
I was horrified that Cad was beating unconscious Erika. I can't wait to see when he gets what's coming to him.
Based on the preview, I'm glad Margo is going to know about Fr/Ed so poor Jacinto can get some relieve. My concern is Gardinera. They may have to tell her but we all know she'll get angry and spill the beans.
Welcome BrandNew and thanks for the list.
Jardinera, I am not even going to bother citing all the wonderful alliterations, puns and sly asides in this masterful recap. Suffice to say you have raised the bar big-time with this one. Truly a classic!
Lucero always looks as though she's about to sneeze when she turns on the waterworks. It was particularly noticeable in Alborada where she did a ton of crying. She wrinkles her cute little turned up nose and I expect to hear a-a-a-choo! But I love how she does the instantaneous switch from fake weepy to robotic Barbinator.
Lucero always looks as though she's about to sneeze when she turns on the waterworks. It was particularly noticeable in Alborada where she did a ton of crying. She wrinkles her cute little turned up nose and I expect to hear a-a-a-choo! But I love how she does the instantaneous switch from fake weepy to robotic Barbinator.
Susanlynn/Novelera: Novelera is probably right about the Power Milk research, but I do remember when he first called back to Estev with this scam idea that they mentioned that it was like the stuff they used to pull back in college/Harvard for grins, but I was never sure exactly why or how that worked. I assumed Estev and Eduardo both worked at Estev's daddy's company the past year. I don't believe his daddy's firm had anything to do with Power Milk at all. Does that sound right? That's why it would be a scam they're pulling on the Elizalde's.
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Ibarramedia: I'm partial to Gardenia's loose locks, too. Love her spirit for sure! Maybe she'll spill some of the frijoles when she sees Fernanda next time.
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GinCA: I also thought of the crazy stuff taking place at the wedding as dark/black comedy. The Benny Hill theme would have been on target!
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Dorado Dave/Karen: among other punishments for Cadmilo when he finally spends eternity in the nether regions, in addition to having stallions trample him continually is now to have beautiful women pound him in the face continually with their CFM stiletto heels!!
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Ibarramedia: I'm partial to Gardenia's loose locks, too. Love her spirit for sure! Maybe she'll spill some of the frijoles when she sees Fernanda next time.
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GinCA: I also thought of the crazy stuff taking place at the wedding as dark/black comedy. The Benny Hill theme would have been on target!
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Dorado Dave/Karen: among other punishments for Cadmilo when he finally spends eternity in the nether regions, in addition to having stallions trample him continually is now to have beautiful women pound him in the face continually with their CFM stiletto heels!!
I'm confused about what Gardenia knows and when she found out. Didn't she see Damian and BOW togehter and did she know about Soledad's death? Why did she keep quiet? Was she threatened. Re: captions. Mine have completely disappeared. Does anyone know if Univision has given an explanation and when (if) they will return?
Gracias .. GREAT recap!!!
Gracias .. GREAT recap!!!
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 5:08:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 5:08:00 PM EDT
I'm so happy Prisila didn't turn out to be a bad guy. I didn't understand at all about her going back to take Erika home.
How would you like to wake up in Fr/Ed's bed, but sober.
I've about given up on the CC's it just mixes me up 'cause they are so far behind.
Tks mucho, for the great recap.
How would you like to wake up in Fr/Ed's bed, but sober.
I've about given up on the CC's it just mixes me up 'cause they are so far behind.
Tks mucho, for the great recap.
Thanks again, folks. Glad it made sense! The true test will be if one of the bi-lingual regulars gives it their blessing, cuz I'm dying to know the parts I've messed up. There have got to be at least a few, so I hope they're minor!! 9 ; > )
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Betty, Welcome!
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Agnes: "I love how she does the instantaneous switch from fake weepy to robotic Barbinator." Absolutely! She deserves a premio for this role!
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Anon. Sat. 5:28pm --Yes, yes, and yes. =/ : > )
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Betty, Welcome!
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Agnes: "I love how she does the instantaneous switch from fake weepy to robotic Barbinator." Absolutely! She deserves a premio for this role!
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Anon. Sat. 5:28pm --Yes, yes, and yes. =/ : > )
Variopinta: "How would you like to wake up in Fr/Ed's bed, but sober." I'd say better than being drunk and not being able to remember at all, and it depends on whether he's in their with me or not.....
Jardinera: Great job. I hate to admit this, but I missed a lot of the meaning - like Nanda going to the mortuary to find out about Sole's casket.
Anyway, I thought Ed should have taken Erika to a hospital. She was drunk, beaten up and unconcious. Maybe there are no hospitals in the area. But,then Margarita supposedly works at a hospital when she's a "nurse."
Anyway, I thought Ed should have taken Erika to a hospital. She was drunk, beaten up and unconcious. Maybe there are no hospitals in the area. But,then Margarita supposedly works at a hospital when she's a "nurse."
Pasofino: I was thinking he needed to call a doctor also, especially after the death of Natasha Richardson from the slow bleed in her brain.
Jardinera thanks for a wonderful recap.
Cadmil-ho needs a beat down. That was so wrong! But will Fr/Ed let Erika in on who he is? Even drunk she thought he looked familiar. And he was being a good guy by getting her the heck out of there. He's not being all self absorbed.
I to think Gardina is lovely. I coudn't take my eyes off her hair out of that braid? Has the actress ever gotten to play a central role? She is very compelling to watch.
This is turning out to be a very exciting and fast pased story. Love it!
Cadmil-ho needs a beat down. That was so wrong! But will Fr/Ed let Erika in on who he is? Even drunk she thought he looked familiar. And he was being a good guy by getting her the heck out of there. He's not being all self absorbed.
I to think Gardina is lovely. I coudn't take my eyes off her hair out of that braid? Has the actress ever gotten to play a central role? She is very compelling to watch.
This is turning out to be a very exciting and fast pased story. Love it!
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By the way, I HATE the music. Not the theme song, but the quasi-religious, monk-chanting sound they play when some big treachery is being revealed."
Novelera, that reminds me of Star Wars: Attack of the clones and Revenge of the Sith. Thing is They seem to be chanting ME-OOW, ME-OOW... ;) Can't really hear it too well.
Despite the Chipmunk dialect, i think it is somewhat easier to understand than Columbians. I'm watching the re run of Betty La Fea in Telefutura and the sing songy Columbian accent is seductive but sometimes a little harder to understand. They even say allo on the phone instead of bueno. I like Mexican and Spaniard spanish the best imho...
And yeah, i'd like to beat up Camilo personally and have him fight me like a man. I'm old school chivalrous that I don't think guys should hit females, even villanas.
Ibarramedia
By the way, I HATE the music. Not the theme song, but the quasi-religious, monk-chanting sound they play when some big treachery is being revealed."
Novelera, that reminds me of Star Wars: Attack of the clones and Revenge of the Sith. Thing is They seem to be chanting ME-OOW, ME-OOW... ;) Can't really hear it too well.
Despite the Chipmunk dialect, i think it is somewhat easier to understand than Columbians. I'm watching the re run of Betty La Fea in Telefutura and the sing songy Columbian accent is seductive but sometimes a little harder to understand. They even say allo on the phone instead of bueno. I like Mexican and Spaniard spanish the best imho...
And yeah, i'd like to beat up Camilo personally and have him fight me like a man. I'm old school chivalrous that I don't think guys should hit females, even villanas.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 6:38:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 6:38:00 PM EDT
Thank you jardinera for the great recap "as usual". I too would be lost without these recaps, especially w/o the captions. However, I do understand more watching the soap then seeing the chapter on You tube, which I had to do this week. I can't understand anything on the youtube and the comments from each scene are worse. I don't know if it is slang or what. I can read spanish fluently, but I can't understand what they have in print. Also, What is Chipmunk talk? Talking too fast?
Ret
Ret
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 7:10:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 7:10:00 PM EDT
Ret: Youtube does have its drawbacks. It generally depends on which member recorded the particular blocks of episodios you're watching. Sometimes one might have a better audio track and that really helps, but otherwise we're out of luck. --Yes, Chipmunk is definitely when the actors forget themselves and start racing through their lines. Silvia Navarro and the actor playing Jacinto are really bad about that, too!
I hated seeing Camilho beating up on Erika. No man should ever put his hands on a woman (and I don't want to hear the she provoked it argument) I hope he gets a beatdown from one of the tough wrestling women. I hope this was a wake up call for her and she never goes back to him. I also thought that Eddie should've take her to the hospital because she could've sustained a head injury. So I wonder how long will it take before Nanda finds out the Eddie is back in town and he was the one behind the flowers and card ruining her wedding day.
Pirate Babe
Pirate Babe
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 7:39:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 7:39:00 PM EDT
Jardinera, thanks as usual. I find that the closed captioning is quite far behind the speaking but it has not been particularly bad. I get Univision on Dish.
I have been "loco" enough to try to learn some Arabic. Some of the Spanish words sounded as if they had a distinctly Arabic rather than Latin origin. So I googled it and found some scholars think that as much as eight per cent of Spanish comes from Arabic. I found this on the word loco - "loco: crazy. From Arabic lawqa "fool."
Of course the Moors occupied Spain for many centuries and had a magnificent civilization during the Middle Ages when Europe was in the doldrums.
Lynne
I have been "loco" enough to try to learn some Arabic. Some of the Spanish words sounded as if they had a distinctly Arabic rather than Latin origin. So I googled it and found some scholars think that as much as eight per cent of Spanish comes from Arabic. I found this on the word loco - "loco: crazy. From Arabic lawqa "fool."
Of course the Moors occupied Spain for many centuries and had a magnificent civilization during the Middle Ages when Europe was in the doldrums.
Lynne
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 8:02:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 8:02:00 PM EDT
Ibarramedia, ITA re the Colombian.
I always say that TheColombianaccentsoundslikeeverysentenceisasingleword.
I always say that TheColombianaccentsoundslikeeverysentenceisasingleword.
Molly, the actress laying Gardenia was a slutty husband stealing/sort of model on La FEA MAS BELLA. She then reappeared as that character on TONTAS recently. Both of these roles were light and stereotypical. It is nice to see that she has depth as an actress, and is doing such a good job as the angry Gardenia. I think she was unable to tell the truth because Barb threatened to fire her and her family. She seems really angry and on the verge of taking a stand. I wonder whether there will be something with her and Eduardo, as she loved him as a little girl and was heartbroken when he was sent off to school, and wrote him a letter to take along for when he felt lonely.
NJ SUE
NJ SUE
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 8:19:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 8:19:00 PM EDT
Oops -- i left out the P. It should have been the 'actress playing Gardenia"
NJ sue
NJ sue
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 8:22:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 8:22:00 PM EDT
Jardinera - thank you for the wonderful recap, delivered in your own excellent style that bears a Miss Manners influence. (...now, gentle readers,,, ) :-) I'm particularly grateful for your take on the private conversation between Fernanda and Jacinto---I totally was lost and hoped he came clean. See what I missed without CCs? Thanks!
NJ Sue,
I vaguely remember a scene with Gardenia & Fernanda & the conversation got around to Eduardo. Anyway it was clear that Gardenia was happy that Fernanda was getting married & that Ed could be hers. There might have been something about Fer never hearing from him also.
I vaguely remember a scene with Gardenia & Fernanda & the conversation got around to Eduardo. Anyway it was clear that Gardenia was happy that Fernanda was getting married & that Ed could be hers. There might have been something about Fer never hearing from him also.
Lynne~~Interesting comments about Arabic and Spanish. I teach many students whose first language is Arabic and many whose first language is Spanish. I've learned some Arabic words from my students by writing them phonetically. They love when you can say a few words in their language. The college where I teach hired a woman from Syria a few years ago to teach conversational Arabic, and it's become pretty popular. I know that ''pantaloons''[pants] is the same in both Spanish and Arabic. English has quite a few words from Arabic , such as alcohol, algebre, alfalfa.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 8:59:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 8:59:00 PM EDT
I think you're right, Variopinta - Fernanda told Gardenia that she wrote many letters to Ed but he never wrote back.
NJ Sue thanks for the background on the Gardenia actress. I find her very compelling to watch and very beautiful.
I hope Erika realizes who Ed is and helps him. Poor thing has kind of been a third wheel to Nanda her whole life, or so it seems.
I hope Erika realizes who Ed is and helps him. Poor thing has kind of been a third wheel to Nanda her whole life, or so it seems.
Jardinera, Thanks for the wonderful and funny recap. It is more challenging these days for all the recappers with useless to non-existent subtitulos. We have a great team though and through rain, and snow and dark of subtitles we will deliver the mail, ¿no?
I am loving the image of chipmunk dialog and the very big Cat Chorus going ME OOW, ME OOW.
I am in totally in the CamilHo has to die or at least be put in a coma for being a beater of women and I think slow death by CFM tacones are just the weapon of choice. Erika and Priscilla forming part of the chorus line. I'm thinking back to my distant childhood and a camera over the June Taylor dancers flower formations with Cami as the center wrapped fetal position.
Yes, I wouldn't mind waking up from whatever kind of overdose and be in Franco Santori's house.
I am loving the image of chipmunk dialog and the very big Cat Chorus going ME OOW, ME OOW.
I am in totally in the CamilHo has to die or at least be put in a coma for being a beater of women and I think slow death by CFM tacones are just the weapon of choice. Erika and Priscilla forming part of the chorus line. I'm thinking back to my distant childhood and a camera over the June Taylor dancers flower formations with Cami as the center wrapped fetal position.
Yes, I wouldn't mind waking up from whatever kind of overdose and be in Franco Santori's house.
In my opinion, Gardenia is the prettiest girl in this TN, her hair last night was really striking, although I would be happy to look like just about any of them. To me, some people have cat-like features, and Fernanda is one of them, I think she looks like a lioness - that's a compliment btw!
Anyone notice how Damien's eyebrows devilishly curl upwards? I don't think they're like that in other programs I've seen him in.
I think this CC mess has actually been good for me. I realize that I understand more than I thought I could now that I'm not depending on them. But I'm still grateful for your recap that filled in a few of the fuzzy details.
Thanks Jardinera!
Marianne
Anyone notice how Damien's eyebrows devilishly curl upwards? I don't think they're like that in other programs I've seen him in.
I think this CC mess has actually been good for me. I realize that I understand more than I thought I could now that I'm not depending on them. But I'm still grateful for your recap that filled in a few of the fuzzy details.
Thanks Jardinera!
Marianne
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 11:20:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 11:20:00 PM EDT
Odd that Lili recognized Ed right away , and Erika thought he looked familiar , but Nanda ...nada. Que the hell ???? If she is his soulmate, shouldn't they have a psychic connection that would make her recognize him even after 15 years as her looong lost love ?? Si si, I know...suspend disbelief all ye who enter here. Also, I agree that Fr/Ed should have made a stop at the emergency room with the battered and passed out Erika. {Which reminds me of my Turkish student who just gave a speech about his grandma and told us that she ''passed out'' when she was 90....He meant ''passed away '' . ESL students have a lot of trouble with two-word verbs [ex. ''throw away'' ''put away'' ''believe in '' ''hand out'']
Permalink posted by : Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 11:27:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 11:27:00 PM EDT
Susanlyn, doing a cut and paste from Wikipedia -list of some of the Spanish words from Arabic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_influence_on_the_Spanish_language
1. ojalá: "I hope"; "I wish that...". From law šhaʾ allāh "God willing."
2. ¡ole! (or olé): The most famous expression of approval, support or encouragement, possibly comes from wa-llah و الله , by Allah!
3. algebra: algebra. From the name of al-Khwarizmi' book Hisab al-jabr w’al-muqabala "The Calculus of Subtraction and Equality."
4. algodón, "cotton", from Arabic "al-qúţun (قطن)", meaning "the cotton"
Lynne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_influence_on_the_Spanish_language
1. ojalá: "I hope"; "I wish that...". From law šhaʾ allāh "God willing."
2. ¡ole! (or olé): The most famous expression of approval, support or encouragement, possibly comes from wa-llah و الله , by Allah!
3. algebra: algebra. From the name of al-Khwarizmi' book Hisab al-jabr w’al-muqabala "The Calculus of Subtraction and Equality."
4. algodón, "cotton", from Arabic "al-qúţun (قطن)", meaning "the cotton"
Lynne
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 12:31:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 12:31:00 AM EDT
Susanlynn: "If she is his soulmate, shouldn't they have a psychic connection that would make her recognize him even after 15 years as her looong lost love ??" Good point. I think at some level she knows but is afraid to acknowledge it cuz that would turn her whole world upside down. In addition to the whole indigenous thing, although the guy has done well by middle-class gringo measurements, according to the monied classes either side of the border, Fr/Eddie doesn't even got (you should pardon the expression) milk money.........
Very interesting, Lynne. I've heard my students say ''MA-sha-la'' and ''IN-sha-la''. I never made the connection with ''ojala.'' And I never connected ''ole'' with ''Allah.'' I guess a lot of our words that start with ''al'' come from Arabic. Languages are fascinating. Good luck with your Arabic studies. I find that pronuoncing Arabic words is pretty easy because the syllables of the words have distinct endings just like in English [mar-HA-ba [hello], MA-sa-la-ma [goodbye] SHICK-run [thank you] ar-JUKE [please] KAY-fa [How are you ?] tab-DO-mood-hesh [You look great] za-KEYD [smart] MUM-taz [wonderful]
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:11:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:11:00 AM EDT
Susanlyn and Jardinera, I think Fernanda did feel an instant psychic connection with Fr/Eddie even though she did not recognize him. It went beyond the "what a hunk" that any red-blooded girl would have thought seeing him on the road with his chiseled features and physique. Damian doesn't seem to ring her chimes in the same way.
J.
J.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:12:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:12:00 AM EDT
PaulaH/Ibarramedia:
"TheColombianaccentsoundslikeeverysentenceisasingleword." I'd swear, if I didn't know better, that Jacinto was from Columbia! --That's why I can't watch novelas straight from there on Youtube. Interesting though, how good Mexican diction always sounds sweeter/more relaxing to my ear than other Latin Am. accents with maybe the exception of the Argentinians.
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Doris: you've guessed one of my alter-ego's. As much as I fight it, it always reappears.
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Cheryl: Holy Moly! June Taylor Dancers! Now THAT makes me feel old, though I totally agree with your use of them and love that imagery of Camilo.
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Molly: I can't remember now who commented earlier, but I think I agree that Martina might be just the one to eventually smack the snot out of Camilo. That's a match I wouldn't miss.
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Marianne: ITA! Lack of CC does wonders for a "lazy ear", if not the blood pressure.
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Anon. Sat.4:36pm: Angelica Rivera is my fav of the three you mentioned also. She brings the screen to life.
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"TheColombianaccentsoundslikeeverysentenceisasingleword." I'd swear, if I didn't know better, that Jacinto was from Columbia! --That's why I can't watch novelas straight from there on Youtube. Interesting though, how good Mexican diction always sounds sweeter/more relaxing to my ear than other Latin Am. accents with maybe the exception of the Argentinians.
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Doris: you've guessed one of my alter-ego's. As much as I fight it, it always reappears.
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Cheryl: Holy Moly! June Taylor Dancers! Now THAT makes me feel old, though I totally agree with your use of them and love that imagery of Camilo.
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Molly: I can't remember now who commented earlier, but I think I agree that Martina might be just the one to eventually smack the snot out of Camilo. That's a match I wouldn't miss.
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Marianne: ITA! Lack of CC does wonders for a "lazy ear", if not the blood pressure.
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Anon. Sat.4:36pm: Angelica Rivera is my fav of the three you mentioned also. She brings the screen to life.
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Jardinera~~~I agree. The way she looks at him seems to show that she is drawn to him. [But then, who wouldn't be.] I've met people who I feel strangely connected to...as if I've known them . [''It seems we've stood and talked like this before, the smile you are smiling you were smiling then , but who knows where or when.''] Also, sometimes people look pretty much as adults as they did as children, but for others their adult appearance is very different from their look as children. Maybe there is something in Fr/Ed that Nanda recognizes on a subconscious level.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:20:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:20:00 AM EDT
Jardinera~~~About the Mexican accent...Years ago I had a student from Spain , a beautiful girl that my 2 Mexican students were always falling over. One day , she said to me ''I'm speaking SPANISH....I don't know WHAT they're speaking.'' I like the sound of Mexican Spanish. My studenys often point out how people from different countries sound very different when speaking Spanish. They sometimes rank which countries have the most truest and best accents...and grammar. One country always is at the bottom of the list.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:27:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:27:00 AM EDT
Lynn: I can barely handle learning 1 extra language, and that is easy because it's a romance language with Latin roots. I cannot imagine learning a language and alphabet that wasn't based on anything familiar to me.....
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p.s. Pirate Babe:
Sorry! Guess that was your post about the wressling females giving Cadmilo that beatdown. I finally found it again!
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p.s. Pirate Babe:
Sorry! Guess that was your post about the wressling females giving Cadmilo that beatdown. I finally found it again!
Jardinera~~~Re: Arabic.. Imagine learning to write backwards. Some of my students wrote my name in Arabic. I practiced and practiced , then wrote it on the blackboard. They laughed as they watched me because to them , I was writing backwards. I'm always amazed that Arabic students can adjust to writing from left to right. They do struggle trying to have legible handwriting and sometimes when they read outloud they switch some words [''was'' becomes ''saw'']. I have a lot of respect for them..what a challenge.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:31:00 AM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 9:31:00 AM EDT
Susanlynn: Sorry, posted at the same time. Re: Spanish accents being rated....Probably like we put "the King's English"/British English at the top of our list --Anybody whose accent is the most educated-sounding British English. So, did you ever do a survey and see who usually was at the top and at the bottom? This inquiring mind would like to know the answer to the "trivia question of the day" here. Y8 ? ))
Hey! Anybody else get steamed at the way Prissy and AB tried to get rid of Err like throwing out yesterday's newspapers?
Jardinera, I thought the same thing, but in the recap it was explained that Pris came back to get Erika'a keys, but when she went to drive Pris home she wasn't there. So when I think we thought Pris dumped her, she saw her passed out & went back to get the keys.
I'm so relieved, I want Pris to be a good guy, she's got to give it to Anibal.
I'm so relieved, I want Pris to be a good guy, she's got to give it to Anibal.
Susanlynn, the child to adult transition and looks become even more confusing when you are played by to different actors. LOL! Seriously, I agree. I have people recognize me all of the time and say that I look pretty much as I always have. But I have friends who have changed very much from childhood to adult and I would never know who they were if I hadn't known them this whole time. That's kind of the fun part about the 20 year high school reunion.
Jardinera, I just said he need to be beat down, but I love Pirate Babes idea that the girls do it.
Variopinta, I thought Pris was doing the best she could. No one was going to help her. All AB cared about was courting Fr/Ed and getting his brother out of there. It couldn't have been easy to get Erika out to the car. With all the managing of these crazys Pris has been doing she deserves to flirt with Damians friend.
Jardinera, I just said he need to be beat down, but I love Pirate Babes idea that the girls do it.
Variopinta, I thought Pris was doing the best she could. No one was going to help her. All AB cared about was courting Fr/Ed and getting his brother out of there. It couldn't have been easy to get Erika out to the car. With all the managing of these crazys Pris has been doing she deserves to flirt with Damians friend.
I had thought Pris dumped Errorika too, but it makes sense that she was going back for the keys.
Except for one thing - most people lock their cars when they leave them. In fact, I think my car locks itself after a few minutes (and it's not a particularly fancy car). So how did Pris get Errorika into the car in the first place?
Heh. Just because it's the weekend doesn't mean it's safe to take off my beanie.
Except for one thing - most people lock their cars when they leave them. In fact, I think my car locks itself after a few minutes (and it's not a particularly fancy car). So how did Pris get Errorika into the car in the first place?
Heh. Just because it's the weekend doesn't mean it's safe to take off my beanie.
My thought as well. Since we didn't see the scene of how Errika ended up in her car, I have images of Pris hauling Errika over her shoulder like a 200lb linebacker or dragging her by her armpits across the lawn...all in front of the guests mind you. I think the director or editors needed to let us see how Err actually was able to reach the car.GinCA
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 1:07:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 1:07:00 PM EDT
Maybe Pris has been hanging out with Martina (nurse girl?). Really dead weight is so hard to carry. I remember when my kids were young and I had to carry them to bed. I couldn't imagine picking up my 13 year old now. Maybe the writers just assume that we will guess Pris had help from the house staff getting her to the car.
I've looked at the scene on youtube 25.2 & I don't think we know how Erika got in the car. It looks to me that Fr/Ed is just leaving, sees Prisila run away & assumes that she left her there or maybe not. In 25.3 we see Prisila come back to the party looking for the keys.
Jardinera, most Americans think that my South African accent is "British". I am fluent in Afrikaans which is a Dutch dialect. I should have stuck with learning German. I am interested in languages as I was trained to be a Latin teacher.
It is not really that difficult to learn to write in Arabic. There are 28 consonants - no capitals. We had to learn capitals and cursive writing for English. It will take a few weeks to learn the Arabic characters. The pronunciation is often difficult for Westerners as it is more "throaty".
However, it is phonetic which makes it easier than English. Detroit has one of the largest middle Eastern populations. The owner of the shop at my local gas station told me that Arabic was "easy". He was frustrated with the different spellings of English.
Arabic is a semitic language and based on a three letter root system - often no vowels. A lot of the changes are created by adding prefixes and consonants onto the three-letter root. There are also a lot of internal changes for plurals like the English "mouse" mice.
There is really no mysterious reason why so many world start with "Al". "Al" simply means "the" and it is attached to the word.
Lynne
It is not really that difficult to learn to write in Arabic. There are 28 consonants - no capitals. We had to learn capitals and cursive writing for English. It will take a few weeks to learn the Arabic characters. The pronunciation is often difficult for Westerners as it is more "throaty".
However, it is phonetic which makes it easier than English. Detroit has one of the largest middle Eastern populations. The owner of the shop at my local gas station told me that Arabic was "easy". He was frustrated with the different spellings of English.
Arabic is a semitic language and based on a three letter root system - often no vowels. A lot of the changes are created by adding prefixes and consonants onto the three-letter root. There are also a lot of internal changes for plurals like the English "mouse" mice.
There is really no mysterious reason why so many world start with "Al". "Al" simply means "the" and it is attached to the word.
Lynne
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 1:49:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 1:49:00 PM EDT
Do you think there will be a scene on Monday of Pris going back to the car and wondering where Erika went? She was obviously in no condition to go anywhere on her own. And will Fr/Ed tell Erika who he is? Some people have to start finding out. It looks like Jacinto's wife will, to save his marriage.
I just watched cap 25 parte 2 on utube, and something that I'd noticed and forgotten- there was a loud sound of chickens clucking at the reception- I was laughing when I first heard it on Friday night, think "fresh eggs for breakfast"!
dorado dave
dorado dave
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 2:18:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 2:18:00 PM EDT
My guess is that Errorika is going to find out on her own some how about Ed. She is a mischievous sprite. --My thinking about Pris and AB is that another character would have called a doctor and fussed over her condition instead of trying to shlep her into her car and house and just dump her in her bed. Ed may not call a doctor out of fear of being found out, perhaps, but still.... Good Lord! Her face was a mass of blood and bruises. What would Pris have done with her once she got her home? Do we assume she had waiters get Err into the car and Eduardo just missed that because he was too involved with Estev and his own misery and self-pity while on the phone? Yep, guess it's time for a group beanie adjustment.
Thanks for another great recap! And to all the recappers, a shout-out:
I can understand most of the dialogue and maybe I'll try my hand at recapping someday, but it's so much more than just translating who said what to whom. You guys add so much great description and wit that reading the recaps is as much or more fun than watching the episodio. And you do it all voluntarily, out of love. Thank You!
The scenes with Esteve are totally cracking me up. First he appears in front of a giant hamburger, then the next time he's fiddling with a baseball...just in case we forget he's an Norteamericano. And I just can't get past the weird accent and pasted on orange hair, I think this wig came from the same nuclear wig supply as Raquel Uribe's purple wig. I wonder if he will eventually come to hang out in MX with his buddy? That would be fun.
Are you all catching the Bimbo White Bread placement, two nights in a row? And two nights in a row on Cuidado too!! Anyone notice whether we're three for three with placments on Tontas?
Mmm I'm thinking I need some nice white bread and jam about now. I don't think my local Carniceria Azteca has the bread though, just cookies and stuff. I guess Wonder bread could do in a pinch.
I can understand most of the dialogue and maybe I'll try my hand at recapping someday, but it's so much more than just translating who said what to whom. You guys add so much great description and wit that reading the recaps is as much or more fun than watching the episodio. And you do it all voluntarily, out of love. Thank You!
The scenes with Esteve are totally cracking me up. First he appears in front of a giant hamburger, then the next time he's fiddling with a baseball...just in case we forget he's an Norteamericano. And I just can't get past the weird accent and pasted on orange hair, I think this wig came from the same nuclear wig supply as Raquel Uribe's purple wig. I wonder if he will eventually come to hang out in MX with his buddy? That would be fun.
Are you all catching the Bimbo White Bread placement, two nights in a row? And two nights in a row on Cuidado too!! Anyone notice whether we're three for three with placments on Tontas?
Mmm I'm thinking I need some nice white bread and jam about now. I don't think my local Carniceria Azteca has the bread though, just cookies and stuff. I guess Wonder bread could do in a pinch.
Susalynn it's pretty interesting how you have started to learn arabic, as you said there is a ton of arabic influence in spanish, so many words come from that language, I had always been told that words like almohada (pillow),algodón or tarifa (fee), but I remember being very suprised that Guadalajara came from Wādī al-Hijārah, or that the pronunciation of certain gentilician names is derivated from arabic (Iraní, Marroquí).
Spanish accents change alot not only from country to country, but also from city to city, there is a town about 40 km from Veracruz (25 minutes)that has a different accent than the on people have here, also, not all people in México tend to develop an accent (outside of their standard mexican one), Sometimes it doesn't even have to do with social class or anything, but it's about how much you have stayed in that area. Since we moved alot as kids, my sister and I did't developed the jarocho accent, but my little brother who has lived most of his life here has one. Also, some people tend to develop an accent pretty quickly, when I went to Monterrey with some friends, one of them was already speaking with a slight norteño accent by the third day, and two years later we went to Guadalajara and she was already speaking with this strange "eh" sound they do there.
The worst accent in México is the chilango one (from Mexico City), people from other parts of the country often make fun of it, and most consider it to be quite ugly.
ISpanish accents change alot not only from country to country, but also from city to city, there is a town about 40 km from Veracruz (25 minutes)that has a different accent than the on people have here, also, not all people in México tend to develop an accent (outside of their standard mexican one), Sometimes it doesn't even have to do with social class or anything, but it's about how much you have stayed in that area. Since we moved alot as kids, my sister and I did't developed the jarocho accent, but my little brother who has lived most of his life here has one. Also, some people tend to develop an accent pretty quickly, when I went to Monterrey with some friends, one of them was already speaking with a slight norteño accent by the third day, and two years later we went to Guadalajara and she was already speaking with this strange "eh" sound they do there.
iSpanish accents change alot not only from country to country, but also from city to city, there is a town about 40 km from Veracruz (25 minutes)that has a different accent than the on people have here, also, not all people in México tend to develop an accent (outside of their standard mexican one), Sometimes it doesn't even have to do with social class or anything, but it's about how much you have stayed in that area. Since we moved alot as kids, my sister and I did't developed the jarocho accent, but my little brother who has lived most of his life here has one. Also, some people tend to develop an accent pretty quickly, when I went to Monterrey with some friends, one of them was already speaking with a slight norteño accent by the third day, and two years later we went to Guadalajara and she was already speaking with this strange "eh" sound they do there.
It is interesting Jardinera that you find the argentinian accent to be relaxing, I think it sounds pretty, but for most of the people in latin america it is the hardest to understand, even more so than the standard cuban accent (not the particular territorial ones, for those you may need a translator sometimes), because the argentinian accent is so heavily influenced by italian that most of their pronunciation differs from the rest of the spanish speaking countries, as well as their use of personal pronoumbs and verbs, plus, they speak very fast.
Another thing, most of the mexicans who live in the US don't sound mexican to the people in México, since their continuos use of english affects the inflection in their words.
Jarocha
Spanish accents change alot not only from country to country, but also from city to city, there is a town about 40 km from Veracruz (25 minutes)that has a different accent than the on people have here, also, not all people in México tend to develop an accent (outside of their standard mexican one), Sometimes it doesn't even have to do with social class or anything, but it's about how much you have stayed in that area. Since we moved alot as kids, my sister and I did't developed the jarocho accent, but my little brother who has lived most of his life here has one. Also, some people tend to develop an accent pretty quickly, when I went to Monterrey with some friends, one of them was already speaking with a slight norteño accent by the third day, and two years later we went to Guadalajara and she was already speaking with this strange "eh" sound they do there.
The worst accent in México is the chilango one (from Mexico City), people from other parts of the country often make fun of it, and most consider it to be quite ugly.
ISpanish accents change alot not only from country to country, but also from city to city, there is a town about 40 km from Veracruz (25 minutes)that has a different accent than the on people have here, also, not all people in México tend to develop an accent (outside of their standard mexican one), Sometimes it doesn't even have to do with social class or anything, but it's about how much you have stayed in that area. Since we moved alot as kids, my sister and I did't developed the jarocho accent, but my little brother who has lived most of his life here has one. Also, some people tend to develop an accent pretty quickly, when I went to Monterrey with some friends, one of them was already speaking with a slight norteño accent by the third day, and two years later we went to Guadalajara and she was already speaking with this strange "eh" sound they do there.
iSpanish accents change alot not only from country to country, but also from city to city, there is a town about 40 km from Veracruz (25 minutes)that has a different accent than the on people have here, also, not all people in México tend to develop an accent (outside of their standard mexican one), Sometimes it doesn't even have to do with social class or anything, but it's about how much you have stayed in that area. Since we moved alot as kids, my sister and I did't developed the jarocho accent, but my little brother who has lived most of his life here has one. Also, some people tend to develop an accent pretty quickly, when I went to Monterrey with some friends, one of them was already speaking with a slight norteño accent by the third day, and two years later we went to Guadalajara and she was already speaking with this strange "eh" sound they do there.
It is interesting Jardinera that you find the argentinian accent to be relaxing, I think it sounds pretty, but for most of the people in latin america it is the hardest to understand, even more so than the standard cuban accent (not the particular territorial ones, for those you may need a translator sometimes), because the argentinian accent is so heavily influenced by italian that most of their pronunciation differs from the rest of the spanish speaking countries, as well as their use of personal pronoumbs and verbs, plus, they speak very fast.
Another thing, most of the mexicans who live in the US don't sound mexican to the people in México, since their continuos use of english affects the inflection in their words.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 3:39:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 3:39:00 PM EDT
Randy, You might want to re read some of the comments in the past episodes. I posted some info on Bimbo and quite frankly, I now think they have an exclusive contract with Esmas and televisa for the product placement and subliminal advertising. That is a smart move on their part. It is a good business decision.
Ibarramedia
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 3:40:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 3:40:00 PM EDT
dorado dave, the loud chicken clucking seemed seemed to coincide with Damien's mom's scene. I think it was a comment about her being a mother hen!
Sorry for the multiple parrafs, since I losted once, I copied and pasted the text but somehow I did it more than once without realizing it.
Jarocha
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 3:47:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 3:47:00 PM EDT
Interesting points Jarocha. The Argentines have even called their version of Spanish 'Castellano'. Since most people think it is combining the spanish and Italian languages or rather the strong influence of both languages.
Spanish is a member of the Romance Language and derives most of it's roots from Latin. Spanish has a lot of Arabic words because of the moor influence so it evolved...
Mexican Spanish has a lot of Nahuatl influences in it like avocado, azuete, chocolate.
Farsi which is spoken Persian or Iranian has some similarities with Armenian. I think every language has some borrowed words in it.
Tagalog which is the filipino language is based on bahasa Indonesia and Bahasa Malaysia is half spanish in content with over thousands of words incorporated with a smattering of english,Arabic, Sanskrit added. There are also a lot of so called false friends which are spansih words with diffeent meanings. One of their dialects is a form of pidgin spanish called Chavacano de Zamboanga and Chavacano de Cavite.
Portuguese is close to spanish also with some differences. there are a few Portuguese people who have never learned spanish bu able to understand some of the language..
Ibarramedia
Spanish is a member of the Romance Language and derives most of it's roots from Latin. Spanish has a lot of Arabic words because of the moor influence so it evolved...
Mexican Spanish has a lot of Nahuatl influences in it like avocado, azuete, chocolate.
Farsi which is spoken Persian or Iranian has some similarities with Armenian. I think every language has some borrowed words in it.
Tagalog which is the filipino language is based on bahasa Indonesia and Bahasa Malaysia is half spanish in content with over thousands of words incorporated with a smattering of english,Arabic, Sanskrit added. There are also a lot of so called false friends which are spansih words with diffeent meanings. One of their dialects is a form of pidgin spanish called Chavacano de Zamboanga and Chavacano de Cavite.
Portuguese is close to spanish also with some differences. there are a few Portuguese people who have never learned spanish bu able to understand some of the language..
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 3:55:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 3:55:00 PM EDT
I learned to speak spanish in northeastern Argentina, and even for me the Porteño accent from the Bs.As. area could be kind of fast and hard to understand. Back then, I liked hearing the TV shows and movies from Spain because they were much easier to understand. They seemed to speak more slowly and enunciate more clearly. I guess it is analogous to the "queen's" english.
When I came back to EEUU and started hearing Mexican accents it was hard at first. Now after watching a lot of Loonyvision and having freinds from Mexico,Venezuela, and Columbia I'm starting to be able to pick out the differences.
Fascinating converstion about Arabic, I learned from a freind who is a Venezuelan Arab, that there is a large Arab population in Venezuela, so there's another connection.
When I came back to EEUU and started hearing Mexican accents it was hard at first. Now after watching a lot of Loonyvision and having freinds from Mexico,Venezuela, and Columbia I'm starting to be able to pick out the differences.
Fascinating converstion about Arabic, I learned from a freind who is a Venezuelan Arab, that there is a large Arab population in Venezuela, so there's another connection.
Ibarramedia:
When I was little, we used to call spanish "Castellano" in school. Spain has different laguages inside its territory (Castellano, Catalán, Vasco, Gallego, etc.)but the people who came from Spain to america were from the Kingdom of Castilla, so the language we were introduced to was Castellano, but with time and the way it became widely used in Spain too, the name was acorded to change to Spanish (much to the dissapointment of many spanish people who consider their language to be spanish too).
The history of languages is very interesting, spanish has french, german and english influencess too, as well as portuguese, I do't speak portugese at all but I can understand most of what they are saying, because it is very similar to spanish so I guess the same thing must happen to them.
Jarocha
When I was little, we used to call spanish "Castellano" in school. Spain has different laguages inside its territory (Castellano, Catalán, Vasco, Gallego, etc.)but the people who came from Spain to america were from the Kingdom of Castilla, so the language we were introduced to was Castellano, but with time and the way it became widely used in Spain too, the name was acorded to change to Spanish (much to the dissapointment of many spanish people who consider their language to be spanish too).
The history of languages is very interesting, spanish has french, german and english influencess too, as well as portuguese, I do't speak portugese at all but I can understand most of what they are saying, because it is very similar to spanish so I guess the same thing must happen to them.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 4:25:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 4:25:00 PM EDT
If anyone is interested, in this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Si5c2q6-s&feature=related
Julieta Venegas and Marissa Monte sing in spanish and portuguese and you can hear the similarities and differences on the languages, also the clip has subtitles so you can also check out how different it is to write each language even though they may sound similar.
Jarocha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Si5c2q6-s&feature=related
Julieta Venegas and Marissa Monte sing in spanish and portuguese and you can hear the similarities and differences on the languages, also the clip has subtitles so you can also check out how different it is to write each language even though they may sound similar.
Jarocha
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 4:47:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 4:47:00 PM EDT
Hey Jardinera...just got back from Charlotte and one of the first things I did was sit down and enjoy your always funny, always clever recap. Loved the Daffy Duck explanation for Estevie...can't imagine how they thought that orange wig would give him an American look but you really nailed it with your allusion. Possibly my folks at home remembered to record this for me, but if not you've already clued me in to all the shenanigans. Thanks so much...and what interesting language discussions on the blog!
I always wondered if "mantequilla" for butter came from Arabic. In French it's "beurre" and I expected something similar in Spanish but no way!
I always wondered if "mantequilla" for butter came from Arabic. In French it's "beurre" and I expected something similar in Spanish but no way!
Interesting discussion about accents. I learned my spanish in Nicaragua. My Mexican friends tell me I have a Nicaragua accent, that makes sense. After speaking pretty much with Mexicans over the years, my Costa Rican friend says I talk like a Mexican...I once had a jefe de trabajo from Cile. He spoke very clearly, sharp pronounciation. Somewhat like I've heard Agentinians on TV.
I've noticed that spanish-speaking first generation American-born, (but with non-english-speaking parents)have a unique accent. Even if they were raised in a spanish-only household, their spanish pronounciation has kind of been "english-ized", the sounds are kind of rounded-off is the best way that I can describe it.
dorado dave
I've noticed that spanish-speaking first generation American-born, (but with non-english-speaking parents)have a unique accent. Even if they were raised in a spanish-only household, their spanish pronounciation has kind of been "english-ized", the sounds are kind of rounded-off is the best way that I can describe it.
dorado dave
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 6:31:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 6:31:00 PM EDT
I can not spell. Chile, Chile, Chile
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Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 6:33:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 6:33:00 PM EDT
JudyB: I bet Charlotte is beautiful this time of year! Just in case your recording didn't take, here's the Youtube link to the first segment of 5 for cap 25:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfOhkjclQpA
The audio is not the best, but you at least know what to listen for.
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Randy/Jarocha/Ibarramedia: extremely interesting to read your posts on languages, accents and dialects!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfOhkjclQpA
The audio is not the best, but you at least know what to listen for.
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Randy/Jarocha/Ibarramedia: extremely interesting to read your posts on languages, accents and dialects!
Randysea- I just watched cap. 25 parte 2 again- yes, the chicken sounds were just when Damien was talking to his mama, too funny. Also noticed that the background bird sounds were in the house when Gonzo was wandering around looking for everyone.
dorado dave
dorado dave
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 6:44:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 6:44:00 PM EDT
I love all of the symbolism in this novella. I noticed the chickens but the birds. Did anyone catch the flowers growing around Margarita's and Jacinto's house? They were daisies and the Spanish word for daisy is Margarita. The novellas are the programs that I have to watch very carefully or I will miss something. I think they put a lot of thought into these things, you just have to watch.
I also noticed that no one seemed nonplussed with Nanda running to the cemetary, funeral home, etc in her long formal wedding gown. I wonder about the fabric that repels everything. Every long gown I have worn needs to go directly to the cleaners or the trash and I never worn one through a cemetary.
rsk
I also noticed that no one seemed nonplussed with Nanda running to the cemetary, funeral home, etc in her long formal wedding gown. I wonder about the fabric that repels everything. Every long gown I have worn needs to go directly to the cleaners or the trash and I never worn one through a cemetary.
rsk
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 7:01:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 7:01:00 PM EDT
rsk - Fernanda's gown probably had a Scotchguard coating, or one of those Teflon finishes. ;-) It did stay amazingly clean, didn't it!
Jarocha,
According to my research most of the conquistadors came from from the kingdoms of Castille and Aragon. The filipino term for a spaniard is Kastila.... And to a certain extent the minority who still actually speak spanish there have been using something close to the 16th century version of spanish. In their phonemes, they pronounce the Ll as Ly ie, castillo =castilyo, ella = elya, etc.
Doris, rsk,Jardinera and everyone else, it is interesting that you guys would give out the details such as the gown getting dirty and whatnot. The few guys here like myself, Hombre and Carlos would not notice that. Good eye. At the risk of having to don my beanie again, Fernanda did not have time to change out of her outfit. She was actually thinking logically and i applaud her for that. She went to the funeral home to find out who purchased the casket and made buirial arrangements, tried to find out who bought the flowers, Actually went to the cemetery to see for herself that Soledad is indeed buried there. I don't blame her one bit.
Her grief and sadness were appropriate. She does not care about ruining her wedding dress at that point. She is the only one who really loved soledad among her family members. Santiago to a lesser extent. For this Eduardo/Franco should cut her some slack. Do you guys really think anyone could have figured all that in Fuego? In one night? Well, maybe capricho would...
She wants to exhume Soledad's body and buriy her in the family crypt. I say go do it. She has the means to do it,so why not? She has been like family for her... What more can you ask? i coan't wait for the next capitulo to see what she does.
Ibarramedia
According to my research most of the conquistadors came from from the kingdoms of Castille and Aragon. The filipino term for a spaniard is Kastila.... And to a certain extent the minority who still actually speak spanish there have been using something close to the 16th century version of spanish. In their phonemes, they pronounce the Ll as Ly ie, castillo =castilyo, ella = elya, etc.
Doris, rsk,Jardinera and everyone else, it is interesting that you guys would give out the details such as the gown getting dirty and whatnot. The few guys here like myself, Hombre and Carlos would not notice that. Good eye. At the risk of having to don my beanie again, Fernanda did not have time to change out of her outfit. She was actually thinking logically and i applaud her for that. She went to the funeral home to find out who purchased the casket and made buirial arrangements, tried to find out who bought the flowers, Actually went to the cemetery to see for herself that Soledad is indeed buried there. I don't blame her one bit.
Her grief and sadness were appropriate. She does not care about ruining her wedding dress at that point. She is the only one who really loved soledad among her family members. Santiago to a lesser extent. For this Eduardo/Franco should cut her some slack. Do you guys really think anyone could have figured all that in Fuego? In one night? Well, maybe capricho would...
She wants to exhume Soledad's body and buriy her in the family crypt. I say go do it. She has the means to do it,so why not? She has been like family for her... What more can you ask? i coan't wait for the next capitulo to see what she does.
Ibarramedia
Permalink posted by : Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 11:35:00 PM EDT
: Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 11:35:00 PM EDT
Tons of comments on Mañana and it's great. But one of your most supportive and thoughtful commenters, Diane in MA isn't able to post anymore because of a computer glitch at work. She can read but not comment. Since her TV has no closed captions and her Spanish is whatever she's learned from you all, she really treasures the recaps and what you all do. We miss her supportive remarks over on Tontas, I can tell you! and I'm sure you do too. Anyway, hello from Diane. She's loving Mañana and our Fernando Colunga...and your write-ups, one and all.
Diana in MA: Thanks for letting us know via JudyB about your predicament. I was wondering where you'd gotten to! Hang in there!
Ibarramedia - I applaud Nanda for her clear thinking and persistence in getting some answers. I would have been a basket case and just collapsed in a heap wedding gown and all. I just wish that the producers would have left a grass stain or something on her gown - it would be much more believable. With the pristine white gown it looks as if she floated through the entire thing.
I loved all of the comments about language. My husband is a history buff and is always surprised about the subject matter of the blogs.
rsk
I loved all of the comments about language. My husband is a history buff and is always surprised about the subject matter of the blogs.
rsk
Permalink posted by : Monday, March 23, 2009 at 9:07:00 AM EDT
: Monday, March 23, 2009 at 9:07:00 AM EDT
Jardinera, I really enjoyed and it looks like everyone else did as well. You recappers are so good that its becoming difficult to come up with superlatives adequate to express my gratitude and appreciation. I usually have to wait until Monday to comment although I can use my cell phone to access the recaps and comments. I really get itchy to jump in with my observations but by Mon. you guys have pretty well gnawed the bone so to speak. I do wish Univision would solve its CC problem. I watched a little bit of Quién Tiene Razón ( I think that's the name of the show) and the CCs lagged behind the dialog just as in the TNs.
Camilo never fails to disappoint. I agree that he needs to go a few rounds with Supernurse. No doubt that Martina could teach him some manners.
Liberate Lil!
Carlos
Camilo never fails to disappoint. I agree that he needs to go a few rounds with Supernurse. No doubt that Martina could teach him some manners.
Liberate Lil!
Carlos
Now that I'm unable to tape any episodes and replay scenes, I'm now at the mercy of the recappers also. I'm glad they're all so thorough, because I miss so much when I can't replay a scene or even follow the captions!
Maybe.eee.ee this tribulation will sharpen our listening comprehension skills. (see here my crossed eyes and ugly face)
Speaking of ... over the weekend I tried playing the tape,volume turned off and with cc's. Next I'll try drapeing a cloth over the screen to block the visuals which are so confusing when the cc's are 'talking' but the video shows something different. Who knows! I may be inventing the first on-air book - in real time writing.
Speaking of ... over the weekend I tried playing the tape,volume turned off and with cc's. Next I'll try drapeing a cloth over the screen to block the visuals which are so confusing when the cc's are 'talking' but the video shows something different. Who knows! I may be inventing the first on-air book - in real time writing.
Thank you Jardinera, you are a joy to read, as usual. Your description of Gonzo is so wonderful: "... always seems like his bell is missing its clapper."
Great recap, and maybe a new world's record for the number of comments. Everyone is watching this show!
I have the most trouble understanding Anibal, out of all the actors. When he was speaking with Eduardo, Eduardo's speech was so clear and Anibal just mumbled through his lines. What a difference in skill between those two actors.
I definitely like the new look Gardenia has now better, of course. That braid was annoying for some reason. There are a lot of pretty women on this show, I certainly appreciate that.
I'm taking over every other Monday for Melinama, starting tonight, so I hope I understand everything ok, I'm not hopeful that the captions have been fixed.
I have the most trouble understanding Anibal, out of all the actors. When he was speaking with Eduardo, Eduardo's speech was so clear and Anibal just mumbled through his lines. What a difference in skill between those two actors.
I definitely like the new look Gardenia has now better, of course. That braid was annoying for some reason. There are a lot of pretty women on this show, I certainly appreciate that.
I'm taking over every other Monday for Melinama, starting tonight, so I hope I understand everything ok, I'm not hopeful that the captions have been fixed.
So, tonight I want to see:
Pris wonder where the heck Erika got off to.
Erika wonder whose bed she is waking up in.
Fernanda look into who really sent the flowers.
Gardenia, Margarita and Jacinto decide to get new jobs with the hot gut down the street. Well maybe Denia can stay at hell house to gather info, but poor Jacinto is just not cut out for it.
Camil-ho get kicked in the face by Cleopatra.
Fr/Ed decide it is time to wash away the grime of the day in a nice hot steamy shower!
Pris wonder where the heck Erika got off to.
Erika wonder whose bed she is waking up in.
Fernanda look into who really sent the flowers.
Gardenia, Margarita and Jacinto decide to get new jobs with the hot gut down the street. Well maybe Denia can stay at hell house to gather info, but poor Jacinto is just not cut out for it.
Camil-ho get kicked in the face by Cleopatra.
Fr/Ed decide it is time to wash away the grime of the day in a nice hot steamy shower!
Erroika learning his identity is not the direction I want this to go. She has shown such bad judgement, and Fer might wind up being the only one she would not share the secret with.
By the way, the actor playing Esteve was in Amor Real where he played piano and sang classical music, bounced between Spanish and French and English with perhaps just a tinge of accent and did character driven comedy.
It's worth watching Amor Real just to see how cleverly that actor playing Esteve did manage all those accents and how he morphed from a truly detestable worthless character into someone quite charming and lovable as well. Very gifted actor and linguist I would say.
I like when he speaks English. I try to listen for the accent. And I like that they subtitle him. Wish they would do the rest of the show for me!
Is the Tontas title something about the stupid not getting to heaven? Thanks
Is the Tontas title something about the stupid not getting to heaven? Thanks
The weekend's comments have been so interesting. I love the study of languages too and although I learned just a smattering of Arabic when in Egypt but not how to read or write it at all, I am impressed with your study of Arabic Lynne and I love Susanlynn's stories of teaching. Your descriptions always show what a wonderful teacher you are giving value and respect to all your students' diverse cultures.
I am intrigued with how thoroughly la reina Isabel routed the Jews and the Arabs in the late 1400's but how pervasive their influence is in art, literature, language and culture that she just couldn't kill even after launching or really supporting the Inquisition that made life in Spain dicey for many from 1478 to 1821. Wiki: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregación_para_la_doctrina_de_la_Fe
Our world is enriched today by all these influences.
But back to the fun on MEPS. I think Camilo gives us a purely nasty character whose physical handsomeness is his only redeeming feature but it's not enough to makes us like him at all. And let's hope Gardenia keeps her hair down, she is so beautiful. I liked Molly's list of wants for tonight's plot. I plan to watch to see which of them come true. Ferro welcome back!! We appreciate your return even if only every other week.
I am intrigued with how thoroughly la reina Isabel routed the Jews and the Arabs in the late 1400's but how pervasive their influence is in art, literature, language and culture that she just couldn't kill even after launching or really supporting the Inquisition that made life in Spain dicey for many from 1478 to 1821. Wiki: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregación_para_la_doctrina_de_la_Fe
Our world is enriched today by all these influences.
But back to the fun on MEPS. I think Camilo gives us a purely nasty character whose physical handsomeness is his only redeeming feature but it's not enough to makes us like him at all. And let's hope Gardenia keeps her hair down, she is so beautiful. I liked Molly's list of wants for tonight's plot. I plan to watch to see which of them come true. Ferro welcome back!! We appreciate your return even if only every other week.
Yes, Molly...and since it's TontAs, it means "stupid girls don't go to Heaven". Originally it was "las estupidas no van al cielo" but "estupida" is a really harsh derogatory word in Spanish, much harsher than our "stupid". So you could also translate "tontas etc." as Foolish Girls Don't Go to Heaven", and "foolish" as defined by Candy, the heroine, is any gal who would let herself be "stepped on" by a man.
And herewith endeth the lesson.
And herewith endeth the lesson.
Has Eddie's hand healed up? I thought that was a pretty deep cut he got and he had been keeping it wrapped. He appears to have amazing recuperative ability. Cocolbosh perhaps?
Carlos
Carlos
Yes a crazy little lady wobbled out of the woods mumbling cocolbosh over and over and gave him some. I guess it got cut from the US version, like the dog poop in Tontas. Ok not really. That comment gave me a quick flashback to the recap I wrote of the last episode of Heridas, when the crazy cocolbosh lady walked into the woods to die. I couldn't stop laughing about it. Haven't thought about that in a while!
Thank you JudyB. I had translated it online, but those things never quite get it right. It came up something about idiots going to the sky, so I was trying to infer from there. Thanks!
Sorry Bonney, many years ago, in a magical kingdom somewhere in Mexico a wonderful variety of chocolate(well, isn't all chocolate wonderful?) that had restorative and mystical powers was cultivated. For a time this land was home to Damian(MEPS), Candy(Tontas), and Juan(FELS). Damian honed his phone handling skills while living there.(Ah, those were the good old days when CCs matched the dialog.)
Carlos
Carlos
Thanks fo r the nice words , Cheryl. I love my syudents and learn more from them than they learn from me. They have given me a very positive view of the life and taught me that there are good people in every part of the world. I'm lucky to have the opportunity to meet people from so many different cultures, and all of them have enriched my life and made it better. Carlos ~~ I , too , believe in the healing powers of chocolate. I just had a mini Hershey bar , and it made me feel better after a bad/sad day. Now, all I need is a little Fernando to aid in the moodlift. Hmmmm....Fernando + chocolate...Now there's a winning combination.
Permalink posted by : Monday, March 23, 2009 at 6:21:00 PM EDT
: Monday, March 23, 2009 at 6:21:00 PM EDT
And the magic cocolbosh lady turned into a dove and flew away instead of dying. (They gave us a little CHEESE to go with our chocolate!)
I don't completely understand Carlos, but I willingly accept the distractions from my search for knowledge - chocolate - cheese - Fernando .
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