Thursday, November 05, 2009

Sortilegio 11/5/09--Sorry folks, no show tonight because of Latin Grammys.

Viewerville sheds a collective tear as there will be no wacky and zany antics at the House that Skittles Built tonight. No pink frig. No neon underwear. No AARP Lucha Libre matches. No brothers beating each other to a pulp in the middle of the dining room table. And, sadly, no bom chicka bow bow. Since everyone seems to be in agreement, I thought we could have an open discussion. We can discuss the Grammys or Sortilegio or whatever you want. We've had some really great discussions this week. I have a couple of suggestions that were submitted to me just to get the ball rolling and you all can take it from there.




1. Which family, the Elizaldes or the Lombardos, would you like to join for dinner and why?



2. Which character from Sortilegio (or any other TN for that matter) would you like to have drinks with?


3. I don't think we've discussed creative deaths/consequences for some of the characters yet so let's get creative. Might as well start those pie carts rolling up the hill.





Since this could get a little confusing with so many topics, if you want to preface your comment/suggestion/obeservation with a heading like we do for OT then that would be ok. That way if someone wasn't interested in the Latin Grammys they could skip to the next comment.



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CONNIE'S QUESTIONS

1. The Elizaldes. Bruno and Raquel are WAY more intolerable to me than Camilo and Anibal. C and A weren't really 100% bad to the bone. Babs Greco, while bad, behaved pretty well at the dinner table. I couldn't even eat a sandwich in the same room as mad dog Bruno.

2. I'd like to have drinks with Felipa. Most of you, I'll bet, would say Alex. But I'd just freeze up and have nothing to say to that hunk, plus he's decades too young for me.

3. Bruno needs someone like Doña Bárbara on his case. In this Telemundo TN, she was raped by 5 villains as a young woman. In her 40s she dispatched all of them. One that might suit Bruno is the one where she had her ranchhands get on four horses with ropes attached to the guy and then pull him to pieces.
 

Connie's questions:

1. The Lombardos. They're better looking and nearly guaranteed to fight. Free entertainment! I don't think I'd actually eat anything, though.

2. I'd have drinks with Ximena from Un Gancho al Corazon. That girl is nonstop hilarious.

3. After running out of money and working as a ditch-digger for several years, Bruno should fall out of a car and into a ravine, where he will be unable to move and have biting insects crawling on him for days.
 

Connie's questions:

1.Lombardos. Julia said it well. Guaranteed entertainment, be done early, probably lose weight.

2.Once again I'm with Julia. Having a drink with Ximena in Gancho is the closest thing to having an encounter of the 3rd kind. She clearly inhabits another dimension and only visits here from time to time.

My 2nd choice would be Raquel. I think she'd be my best chance at getting lucky.

3.Novelera and Julia, you guys are scary. I think I'd defer the job on Bruno to any one of the ladies who comment here.
 

1. The Elizaldes. They’re way more civilized. I really can’t stand Mad Dog Bruno nor pea-brain Vicki. They make Anibal and Babs look like saints. Plus, the Elizalde's house is easier on the eyes. Technicolor Hacienda Lombardo gives me acid reflux, just looking at it.

2.Alejandro ;o)

3.Bruno – Pick one: escaleracide; poison that would make him foam at the mouth (a la La Madrastra); I like the ditch w/insects idea, too

Vicki – While having to work at a taco stand, dropping dead from using her brain at her job of making the tortillas.

Useless - some horrible STD and having his manhood rot off as a result
 

Doris, Everything you said cracks me up. Escaleracide... golden.

For Useless, since he hasn't killed anyone (yet), his worst crime so far : being icky, might I suggest lymphogranuloma venereum? Uncomfortable, unsightly, and effectively rendering him...well...

Carlos
 

Great questions Connie.

1.I would much rather have dinner with the Elizaldes, an altogehter higher class of robber barons than Familia Lombardo. Barbara had a twinkle in her eye even when planning dastardly deeds and an enjoyably Macciavelian mind. Why is it that I think Vicki would only be able to discuss her lost loves, her misunderstood children or the plot to her latest bodice-ripper? Ho-hum...
The Elizalde dining room has nicer lighting, too, and I am not sure how the glaring colors in Joseph's Technicolor Dream House would look against my pale skin.

2.I would like to have drinks with TBLMOE, Sr Fernando Colunga. He is charming and intelligent and I have heard him say nice things about his mother.
If I have to pick someone to have drinks with from Sortilegio it would be Roberto.He seems the most self aware of the bunch, not withstanding that his awareness is that of a cynical and freeloading loafer who is in love with his wife's boyfriend. Note that I say this knowing who would be BUYING the drinks—and it wouldn't be Roberto.

3. As to creative deaths/consequences, I am imagining Bruno sentenced to live his life in a small mirrored echoing cell where the only sound he can hear is the sound of his own ranting and the only face he sees is his own.Oh, wait. How is that different from how he lives now?

Again, good questions Connie.You guys sure are a fun and witty bunch.
 

Oh, Carlos, you devil you...lymphogranuloma venereum. You made me look! And you say the ladies on this site are twisted...
;), Uncle! You win!

Elna
... who will have nightmares about the images of lymphogranuloma venereum she saw online.
 

I would rather eat dinner with Beto his mom and la Monita in their humble little appartment with real good mexican food and feel at home with them.
But from the other two options maybe the Lombardos they are way more hot.

I would love to have drinks and get waisted or hope they got waisted and pull a romina lol on Emiliano or German.
Emiliano is sooo dumb and or boring but is good to look at German would probably be more fun I actually think eating dinner at the Espinoza de los Monteros house might be fun just me Carlota in the middle and silly Paloma.

Carlota should get away scott free with her crimes yes I'm serious but be stranded all alone in an Island feending for herself with with rats all over the island and lizards and snakes lol wouldent it be great seeing her all sun burned red no makeup no purple anything her having to eat snake or rodents or filter her water going even more insane all alone for the rest of her life knowing full well Paloma is happy with Emiliano and Padre Chris is married to Natalia or something like that.
 

Cool it was 8pm and the In nombre del Amor song was still sung of course this time Laura Paussini sounded kinda shaikie but over all good.
 

CONNIE'S QUESTIONS

1. Unfortunately I don't know the Elizaldes (MEPS?), so does that mean I'm stuck with the Lombardos by default? *trying to think of a way out of this* I lay claim to the Dariens of Pasion--having casual dinner with such a down to earth family, with lots of good, hearty food and fun conversation would be pleasure. But it would have to be AFTER gRita was dead. That heifer ruined every single supper she attended with her nasty, funky attitude, and sent people scurrying away. So, yes. The Dariens, after gRita is dispatched by Bouffy LaFont and there is peace in the valley.

2. I'm definitely having drinks with the full-blown sex god of the decade--Alex. *Unselfish reason: He is hands down the loneliest member of his family and could probably use some upbeat company and real conversation. I'm sure he could probably use a real friend too, right, Fer-no-no? And he'd be a true gentleman, opening doors, getting my chair, making sure I got home safely. *Selfish reason: He wouldn't be hard to look at. I'd like to inspect those eyelashes up close. And quite frankly, unless you're planning on marrying and having kidlets, age is nothing but a number. Bring it.

I wouldn't LIKE to have drinks with Bruno, but that could be beneficial, actually. Lull him into a false sense of security by hanging on his every word, slip a horse tranquilizer into his beverage, call the white coats and have him hauled off to the loony bin where they could "lose" his paperwork.

Drinks with Juan Reyes (FELS) would be beneficial, too. The big guy's a lot of fun with some booze in him, plus you could get a cool ride on Capricho the wonder stallion AND a dip in the swimming hole with Big Ed. Ha.

3. I'm down with Bruno being drawn and quartered (novelera), but after his hands are smashed with a hammer so that he can never hit a woman again.

If Erick doesn't repent, and if Uli does end up participating in a death, they should both be tossed into a gator pit that hasn't seen food in a month.

LMAO @ everyone's comments! Y'all rock.
 

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT (for folks unfamiliar with Fuego en la Sangre):

Those are NOT naughty euphemisms in my second answer. Capricho really was a horse. And there really was a swimming hole in the forest that the Reyes boys bathed in. Upon re-reading my comment, I thought I'd better clear that up. O_O

Thank you. That is all.
 

CONNIE'S QUESTIONS:

Wait, wait, I take it all back!! I wasn't reading carefully enough. I thought I had to choose a Sortilegio character for drinks. If the field is wide open, give me Colunga and a good California Zinfandel.
 

1. This is a bit tough for me because I didn't watch MEPS as I had already seen and loved the original (Pura Sangre). But based on what it might be safe to assume about the Elizalde family from comments here and from what I saw of the Lagos family in PS, I think it's safer for me to eat at home. Sure, there might be the drama of a big fight at the Lombardo dinner table, but I doubt I'd be able to resist the urge to smack (or, in Bruno's case, pound) some sense into the heads of most of my fellow diners, and it's likely at least some of them would resist. I could certainly hold my own against Raquel, but Fernando would try to protect Vic and so would poor misguided Alex and maybe even MJ, making it three against one, while Bruno is physically stronger than I am but I don't think I could count on anyone helping me pound him since the only ones who might would not want to upset Vic. Also, the decor of the house is another problem. Small wonder most of the Lombardos are delusional in some way: Look at what surrounds them! It's enough to give everyone a permanent case of heartburn.

On the other hand, the Lagos family isn't such a treat, either: Alejandro (patriarch) is just as blind in his own way as Vic is in hers, plus he married the woman who murdered his first wife and framed one of his children for it. Federico has the ambition but neither the brains or the morals to be allowed to run a company. He and his wife heartily despise each other (although I would far rather spend an evening with Susana than Raquel), and Camilo is just plain nasty. Still, the Lagos house is much more tastefully decorated, so at the very least I would only have to worry about an attack from one of my fellow diners, as opposed to being assaulted by the decor from the moment I set foot inside the door.

2. The only character from Sortilegio I might want to have drinks with is Roberto, because he seems to be the least stressed and the most self-aware. His biggest drawback is his extremely dubious taste in, well, everyone he is close to. Sure, Alex is handsome and I agree with Stephe that he needs a real friend. However, he's too polite to talk about his own problems, and if he did, I don't think he's in any state to listen to the kind of advice I'd give him since it would start with "Find a friend who isn't so willing to sacrifice your well-being in his rush to "protect" your stepmother." So I think my choice for someone I'd like to have a drink with would be Sigi, Fer, and some of the other guys from La Hija del Mariachi.

3. Oil Slick definitely needs to end up with an STD that will disfigure him so that even those who lack the discernment to see him for the sleaze he is will know to avoid him. That STD should also make him impotent. I like your suggestion for that STD, Carlos, but we'd have to be certain that his case is not diagnosed until it's beyond the power of antibiotics to cure.

As for Bruno, as tempting as it is to have him drawn and quartered, why should we traumatize the poor horses like that? I say, toss him into the middle of a nice big tar pit and then, once you've seen he's realized there is no way he's going to get out, walk away and leave him to slowly sink. When archaeologists find his bones a thousand years from now, they will figure he had to have been just plain stupid, because there can be no other excuse for an otherwise healthy person to walk into a tar pit.

Pedro also needs a punishment, but right now I can't think what. Nothing so drastic as death or a wasting disease, of course, but for a man who supposedly held down a white-collar job, he is almost criminally naive. (Maybe that's why MJ has decided she has to support the family -- because her father is completely incompetent?)


Incog
 

ROFLMAO, Incog. That is brilliant, our Bruno becoming one with his own La Brea tar pit and preserved for all eternity. What specimen name would those archeologists give him, I wonder?

If he had that rabid snarl frozen on his face, it would probably be MAD DOG.

I like your suggestion for that STD, Carlos, but we'd have to be certain that his case is not diagnosed until it's beyond the power of antibiotics to cure. OMG, you are coming down on Uli hard. LOLOL!

But which Colunga character, novelera?
 

Great comments everyone! Incog you made me spit cereal on the monitor. A tar pit! Great idea. I had another question and forgot to add it so if you want to discuss that, the question was: Which TN's do you like best, period TNs or the modern day ones? I personally like the period ones because of the great costumes and scenery.
 

Connie ~~~ You really started something, girl. All the comments are so funny. Thanks for the morning giggles. Here's my quick thoughts : I'm just going to make this fast and dirty because I don't have much time. I'd like dinner, drinks, whatever with Roberto o o just because he's mi telemovio. After living with Raq , I think I could make him happy...or at least not crazy angry. In fact, while I'm daydreaming , let's include TBLMOE and Big Ed. Bring on the dinner, drinks, swimmimg, hiking, movies, book club, whatever. Call me greedy...I want them all. As for the villains, I think they should all live out the remainder of their sorry, nasty lives teaching in a high school....maybe perpetual detention hall...yeah, that's the ticket.
 

P.S. Oh yes, whiskey sours by the pool with the boys....that would be nice.~~~Susanlynn, lost in the unreality of it all
 

Good Morning! On Connie’s Great Questions...

1. Both Casa Elizalde and Lombardo are a little too dangerous, one has a murderer and the other has a rapist....tough after dinner stroll back to you car, I don’t know if a can of mace would do it on either Bruno or Camilo. OK, I want to have dinner at the Cafe Laredo, here in Nashville with all my new Caray Caray friends.....first round of Margaritas on me!!
2. I’d like for my drink to be with Guy Ecker from La Mentira. Besides being cute, smart and funny, he owned an award winning tequila manufacturing company. Stephe, I’ll have to borrow “Capricho the wonder stallion” so I could ride around the hundreds and hundreds of hectares of agave plants with Guy before we go back to the old hacienda for our “drinks and.........”!
3.I’d like to hit Bruno where it hurts....while he walks along in the Mexico prison work detail in his orange striped togs, he glances up at CNN/ Mexico an sees that Alex and Lombardo Construction has struck a deal with Google, Microsoft, AT&T, Pemex, TelMex and yes, strangely enough, Warner Music Group, Nashville, to become the world’s largest conglomerate. Just at that moment, the prison guard, a la Cool Hand Luke, pops him in the head with the but of his shotgun and says, “Keep on moving looser.” With that, he will have his own personal hell to live in until his death, at the hands of El Macho, the prison “ramera”.

Sandy in TN
 

Make that, "Keep on moving "loser"!
 

I'd like to go for a midnight ride on Capricho with Big Ed and drink margaritas under "The Tree" from Destilando.
 

Stephe, I think I'd have to go with Luis from Alborada. He was totall awesome. Wasn't crazy about his character from Amor Real. I'm watching Pasion now so it actually might be a toss-up between Luis and Ricardo.
 

I would rather have dinner with the Lombardos. Guaranteed action, just serve white wine & be ready to take cover. I would just sit back with Roberto & watch.

Death to Bruno. Maybe accidental strangulation by his own neon skivvies.

Drinks with Eduardo (FC) & hoping the drinks would cloud his vision about my age & lead to, well you know. Maybe start with a bath like Amor Real.

Chucho & Pedro would be fun to drink with.

Watched the Grammys, but I can't find the name of a group I liked. They always give the name first & since I'm not paying attention until I hear sth I like I can never find the name
They won an award later in the show. 3 guys, 1 singer, young. The singer had on a silver jacket & sneakers during their presentation. When they received the award they had on black jackets & he had on sneakers. He said Viva Mexico, so assume they are Mexican. Any ideas. I've checked the winners but just can't find them.
 

Connie ~ I've got to agree that Luis of Alborada is my ultimate hero of all time...right after hub. Luis is my vision of Prince Charming because he's so....charming....not to mention strong, brave, smart, loyal, caring, kind, polite, gallant....and , of course, tall, dark, and handsome ...which makes him muy sexy . Also, he was a loving father, a good boss, a loyal friend, and a skillful lover. I did not like the way Manuel of Amor Real pushed women around plus he was jealous and overbearing.
 

I totally agree Susanlynn. He was all those things and more. I didn't even watch the grammys last night. I was going to record it but just never got around to it. It didn't look very exciting.
 

I was hunting for some information on Alborada and came across the birth(I think) of Caray Caray. I thought the rest of you would find this interesting:

http://pratie.blogspot.com/2005/12/alborada-telenovela-recap.html

Carlos
 

Variopinta I didn't watch the Latin Grammy's but I catched a the performance of Reik and they sound like the group you are describing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUH7EjQwPjY

Jarocha

Heh, my word for verification is monon, wich is slang for cute in México.
 

Variopinta, if it's not Reik, it could be Calle 13, who were nominated for 5 awards and won at least one.

Okay, now to the questions. I'd prefer eating with the Lombardos, although we haven't seen them eating too many times. The Elizalde dinners always seemed depressing and a little uneasy, whereas the Lombardos can count on Bruno to shake things up.

As to having drinks, if we're talking Sortilegio, I'd go with Paula. She's full of energy, and I certainly wouldn't have to carry the conversation. If we can include MEPS, I'd love to have a drink with Priscila, who's not only great to look at, but probably a lot of fun (at least the actress is, the character had that little pregnancy problem).

How should Bruno die? Well, he already has a swelled head, so I'd like his head to actually swell up, twice normal size, and be stuck there, and that's it. Or somehow he had to trade places with Ezekiel, and wait on HIM hand and foot.

Do I prefer modern or period novelas? Well, from a girl-watching standpoint, the period ones are better in the cleavage department, and the modern ones in the leg department. I can also understand the dialog better in the period ones, so I'll go with them.
 

It could be Calle 13 they are from Colombia but they won for a collaboration with Café Tacuba wich is a Mexican group.

Jarocha
 

I've never liked Calle 13. Did Wisin Y Yandel or Don Omar win anything?
 

Which Fernando Colunga character, Stephe? After some thought, I'd say Ricardo in Pasión. I loved his intelligence in this one. He was constantly on the verge of being outed as a pirate, but won out in the end. And those scenes of him on the bow of his pirate ship were to die for!

He was hot, hot, hot in Amor Real, but as Susanlynn said, the way he treated Mathilde through a lot of the novela made him a less than perfect cocktail companion.

By the way, my idea of quartering Bruno with quarter horses did not include drawing. Several commenters mentioned that as my end game for Bruno. The medieval practice was to hang the person until almost dead, cut them open and draw out their bowels while still living (the HBO special on Elizabeth I with Helen Mirren had a gruesome representation of this), burn these entrails before their eyes, and then quarter them and scatter the pieces. I despise Bruno, but my vote was for the fairly quick quartering only.
 

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Jarocha
You've got it, Reik. I didn't check that one out because I thought it was a female. The one they performed is not the one they won for, so I have to do more searching.

You can ck out the winners here

http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=1006037
 

Variopinta, that was Reik wearing the silver jacket and sneakers.
 

Oops, just posted at the same time as you. That was about the only part of the show I saw, since we had a fierce storm here and the cable went out and the lights kept flickering.
 

Found the one Reik performed

http://music.aol.com/video/inolvidable-video/reik/sony:1774335611
 

I think Mario (Pasion) would be a lot of fun to have drinks with, with that sense of humor and simmering sexy attitude. Yo-ho.

I love period shows. They were back during a time when women were fantastical and men swung swords--hahahahahaha! But if a story is good, I'll usually watch it regardless of the era.
 

Oh wow, Carlos, thanks for the link!
 

That sounds really painful Novelera! Couldn't happen to a better guy.
 

Lucero was the host along with a guy, Derbez I think is his name. She looked absolutely smashing. Her last dress had a very large keyhole at the boobs & the co-host had a hard time keeping his eyes off, funny.
You guys really missed sth if you didn't catch the show.
 

I forgot about that. That was why I was going to watch. Bummer. I've never heard her sing. Did she sing?
 

Yes, Lucero was so pretty and fun as the host of the awards, it was hard to believe how well she played the mean Barbara on MEPS. I'd love to have a drink with the actress, but not with the character Barbara.
 

She was great in Alborada but I can't stand that fake cry thing that she does.
 

In the period TN's why does the female lead always get arrested and accused of adultry?
 

Yes, Lucero did look wonderful. Eugenio Derbez is very funny. I was wondering about Lucero's hair. It was much shorter than in MEPS. And there were actual curls. Either she had extensions in MEPS or she cut some off afterwards.

I only watched about half of the awards. It's on my DVR still, but a lot of the music just isn't my thing, so don't know if I'll watch or delete. I mostly enjoyed seeing the celebrities and hearing what they had to say: Enrique Iglesias waxing poetic about Juan Gabriel.
 

Lucero's hair is actually naturally curly. I was surprised she cut it, she has never had it so short before, when she was a teen people joked that she wanted to beat Daniela Romo's leght one day.

Jarocha
 

"In the period TN's why does the female lead always get arrested and accused of adultery?"
Connie - back then women didn't have much time to get into trouble. And no energy by the end of the day: no electric appliances to wash & dry clothes & dishes, no grocery store or freezer, no electric sewing machines, no vacuum cleaners, no teflon pans, etc. It was not an easy life unless they truly were wealthy.

They also weren't 'liberated' the way we are, so didn't have chance to handle money and embezzle, steal, etc. I guess back then, adultery (remember The Scarlett Letter) was the worst thing a female could do.
 

Ah, that's true Doris. I didn't think of that. Having a child out of wedlock was about the worst thing every I guess.
 

Worst thing ever I meant.
 

I have a question: what songs would you like Sortilegio to use in the love scenes instead of the theme song?

I would have probably enjoyed them with Luis Miguel's Amarte Es Un Placert or Mijares's Para Amarnos Mas.

Jarocha
 

I don't think Lucero sang, if she did I missed it.

Funny thing about her hair, it was short at first, but later it was longer but not straight??????????????
It must have been tightly curled & scrunched up, it was full at the sides. & later, I guess they just combed out the tight curls.
 

I only saw the short hair, it looked pretty but I'm glad she didn't cut it then.

Jarocha
 

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned possibly one of the best possible drinking companions. She's easy on the eyes, talks a blue streak (no worry about coming up with something to talk about) and one probably wouldn't need to pay close attention to what she says. I referring of course to everyone's favorite chatterbox, our lovely Gardenia.

Jarocha, Moni and Mao made love with Qué Hago Yo by HA*ASH playing in the background and it was perfectly beautiful. It's a song that raises gooseflesh on my arms.

Carlos
 

I saw this cute little video on the MTV3 (Latin MTV) site while looking around for Latin Grammy pics. This is someone's grandma and I guess every week they post her thoughts on Sortilegio. She is just as in lust with Alex (WL) as we are. Love the way she looks at her husband at the end. Lol!
http://blogamole.mtvtr3s.com/2009/10/22/telenovela-thursdays-la-abuela-leaves-grandpa-por-william-levy/

-Vivi in DC
 

I like the song Estabas Ahi by Alejandro Fernandez. It's very beautiful.
 

Carlos, how could we have forgotten Gardenia! She would be great to have a drink with.
 

Does anybody really like the theme song to Sortilegio?
 

I'm back. I love the epochas. I love to go back somewhere in time, and I dig the long hair on the hombres and the costumes. Wow..you guys have been creatively vicious [or viciously creative] in your proposed punishments for the baddies. I still stand by my suggestion of perpetual detention hall. I was disappointed that Pitbull wasn't performing on the Latin Grammys. I didn't watch the whole show, but Lucero looked beautiful. What was the purpose of those folks in costume on the stage ? Very odd.
 

I love Il Divo, & especially Carlos Marin, but it is getting a little overuse. Too much of a good thing.
 

I watched the video of he song on youtube and liked it but it does get old. Susanlynn, Pitbull usually gets censored. He can be pretty foul.
 

I'm not so sure it's the song itself I dislike -- I can't really tell because the version they used for the theme is over-produced, over-sung, and over-emoted. Here's a clue to the producers: Spinal Tap notwithstanding, when you start at 10, you really don't have anywhere to go. And the Divos started at 15.


Incog
 

I think you are right Incog. To me it is like being stabbed in the head with an ice pick.
 

There is no way I would want to live in that era. How often do you think they took a bath? And their clothes??,even the wealthy I bet didn't have clean clothes. And the stuff women had to wear, corsets, tons of clothes. Think about it, toilets, showers, deodorant, sanitary products.

And por Dios, how could today's youth live w/o a cell phone surgically implanted to their ear?

I much prefer FC playing the part & I KNOW, he's all spruced up, sweet smelling, ahhhhhhhh
 

susanlynn
it was in Las Vegas & I heard reference to cirque de soile, SP?
 

Back about a million posts ago...Novelera, you chose to have a drink with Colunga and a bottle of Sonoma Zin. Sounds great to me. If he is willing to be a house guest here at my home in Sonoma County I can scare you up a mighty fine bottle of Bella Old Vine Zin, say 2003, for your date. :)
I think I would actually prefer to have a drink with Fernando himself and not one of his characters. Sortilegio is only my second novela after MEPS and I found Eduardo to be a little too stiff and a little slow about some things although he did look like a mighty fine kisser.
 

Great suggestion, Elna June. Old Vine Zin seems to be the rage now. I live in Palo Alto and my once-a-month Friday dinner group served that. We also took a bottle to Shakespeare Santa Cruz in August and paid the corkage fee at our annual Saturday night dinner (between the matinee and the evening performance; we see a lot of plays in one weekend!)
 

I caught the Latin Grammy's last nite and I was switching back and forth hoping to see Juan Gabriel. He was magnificent!!! He drove the crowd wild!!!.

He arrived with a blond young lady and was sitting with her. She was very emotional when he was singing, although a lot of others also were. He kissed her at one point during his revue. Is she someone important in his life???

Ann-NYC
 

Speaking about the Grammy's again. At one point a female presenter named Guzman (don't remember her first name) came out and they showed a back view of her Her dress. It was so low you could see the top of her rear end. Then at one point during the presentation she quickly turned around and you got a quick view of her rear again. What's with that??? Really!!!

Ann-NYC
 

Regarding the music on Sortilegio, I think Carla Estrada likes the sound of operatic voices and classical music in her TNs. I'm pretty sure Placido Domingo sang the theme song for Alborada.
 

That must have been Alejandra Guzmán, she is awesome but you have to get used to her crazyness. She had very serious health problems and just got out of the hospital this week, I'm surprised she went there.

Carlos, I loved that Ha Ash song. It is very pretty.

Jarocha
 

I guess I'll be in the minority because I love the Sortilegio theme song, mostly because of the skillful way Carla and the post production people edited certain parts of the music to certain parts of MJ and Alex's lovemaking. It was done just so perfectly, the way they matched the most playful piano notes to Alex's wink and smile, the more tinkling, traveling piano notes to his unraveling of the sash of her blouse, the deep tones of the strings going high and then low, to his lips sweeping high and then low down the expanse of her shoulder, etc. That took some work and some skill, and so enhanced the hot factor of the scene. And with each love scene, it's the same music but they match the instruments differently to the touches and kisses and such than they did the past times. Fascinating. Whenever I hear the song, it's more than a song. (They could lose the jazzed-up version, though.)

My favorite love song, though, is Lo Siento Mi Amor, by Kika Edgar, which was used in Pasion for Vasco (Levy) and Ines' (Kika) major love scene, when Vasco finally proved himself and reconciled his marriage. This is my favorite love song AND my favorite love scene of all time; the two paired together are just so sensual it hurts. I had no idea who Levy was at the time and was not captivated by him (I was riding the Rulli and Santamarina train then), so the fact that this love scene made me forget every other love scene in Pasion is a real credit to him and Carla Estrada. (Methinks the woman knew what she had with him even then!) The light and shadow and movement and actor chemistry and music and direction made this scene stand out from the rest. (I'm attaching the scene to my name; for you Colunga babes out there, there is some Ric and Camila at the end.)
 

Lucero did look great last night.

The opening number was very ethereal and pretty, with the woman singing the ENDA theme and the Cirque du Soleil types doing their thing. REALLY nice stage set.

I forgot to mention poor Santiago (Pasion) in my last post. From the beginning of the show to the very end, he got shafted, shafted, SHAFTED. Ay, ay, ay.
 

Stephe, thanks for that. I remember that scene and that song. Wow! Excuse me while I hunt for a cigarette.

Carlos
 

Fire a second cig up for me, Carlos. (I don't smoke but after that, I damn near started. And MJ and Alex aren't making it any easier! LOL)
 

Thanks Jarocha, I love Luis Miguel and the song would fit in well in a telenovela especially Sortilegio for a needed change of pace.

GinCA
 

Stephe, I haven't smoked in almost 40 yrs. (OK, OK, un puro de vez en cuando).Fortunately, one of the very few benefits of senescence is a vivid memory of past sins, indiscretions, and downright stupidities. So I can kick back, light up a virtual Pall Mall, maybe sip a little sourmash and branch (for real), and reflect.

Carlos
 

Thanks, Stephe, for that link to the Pasion songs. Kika Edgar was one of my favorite people in Pasion and it was nice to see her win her man in the end. Fun to be reminded why we loved Ric so much in his pirate role.
La Paloma
 

You're welcome, Paloma! Ines/Kika was my favorite female character, the way she put up with a lot of crap but remained strong and graceful through it all. She ended up taking the "aSS" out of VaSSco. I loved their happy ending.
 

Pasion was my first brush with Colunga, and I must say he didn't disappoint. The perfect pirate!
 

Hey guys! I se. I'm very late to the party. You guys said some funny things, but I didn't get to read averything.

I'm sure this is not a surprise, but I pick Alex for having a drink with, though I don't drink so I'm going to imagine just having a dinner date with him. Stephe, my reason is completely selfish! Novelera, like Stephe said, age is just a number! LOL, he's actually a decade older than me, now that you bring up the topic though. Gracias por el Dios that I'm at least 18...wouldn't want me being a minor to get in between me and Alex now... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
 

Me 'Ditto' Stephe, to everything positive you expressed about the muisic! Also I REALLY appreciate the fact that the telenovelas present a work opportunity for composers!!! ...and arrangers too.
 

I would have dinner at casa de Lombardo wearing dark shades and horseblinders so when i turned my head i wouldn't be distracted by the colors of the house by the conversation going on at the dinner table.

Alex of course drinking wise we could bring along Roberto because the guy is just so comfortable with himself shortcomings and all. Paula just in case there's a lull in the conversation.

Now as for the villains i'm going to use the premise of survival island. So i'm dropping Bruno and Maura, Raquel and Useless from Sortilegio. Carlota, RoMEna, Diana and Aron from ENDA. I didn't get to see FELS but i think you guys said the villains for that one were Gabriela and Fernando. You guys can also include the villains from Passion and Alborada too.

Last villain standing still does not get off of the island. Has to live the rest of his or her life hiding from the hostile natives. So trying to send and sos smoke signal just might spell their last act of trying to get off the island.

Once again using another survival island. This one called the island of too stupid to live among us normal folks. Vicki and Fer-no-no of course from Sortilegio. Paloma from ENDA. Judge Velarde from CCEA for letting an imposter posing as his daughter and finding out she is an imposter continue stay in his house. I think you guys said it was Sofia from FELS. Aurora from MEPS. I simply refuse to put JM on this island the man is too damn gorgeous and i believe he can be rehabilitated besides he an successful eye and brain surgeon. Those are hard to come by.

Each person would be given partial instructions to build a raft to get off the island they would have three days to finish the raft in get it in the water. If not all materials would self destruct.
No cheating or helping one another. That means fernando.

That means all materials that assigned to whichever person has their dna associated with it. If someone helps or even touches one of your parts everything will self destruct.


I forgot to add Barbara and Artemio Bravo from Meps for the island of last villain standing.
 

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Cielo de Levy
Maybe you are a decade younger, but I'm several decades older than WL. However, not so old that I can't appreciate a fine looking man. But, not to be such a couger, FC is the man for me, only a couple of decades younger.
 

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