Wednesday, February 01, 2012
El Talismán #2 Tue 1/31/12 Your Recapper Protests this Super-Violent Episode
Following is an abbreviated recap of Capitulo Dos of 'El Talisman'. I am so upset by the violent content in this episode that I cannot enjoy the recap. Univision and Venevsion, the violence in this episode was gratuitous and unnecessary. I am truly appalled at your using such unacceptable behavior to enhance your ratings during sweeps.
- We start out in Fresno with Pedro Ibarra and Camila Najera. She repeats her question of the day before, “What did you feel when you met me yesterday? He answers that the best way to find out is with a kiss. Then we have several minutes of lovely romantic scenes of the two of them kissing in various Fresno beauty spots.
- Next we are in a hotel room in New York where Mariana Aceves tells Antonio Negrete that she is pregnant. He announces that it is the best news of his life. She is surprised to hear him say that because she has mixed feelings. What about his divorce? He replies with the comment, “Who knows if the papers have arrived at the ranch?”
- Back at El Talisman Mariana tells Pedro Ibarra she is pregnant. He looks shocked. She also tells her father, Don Bernardo, who tells she and Pedro that he is dying of cancer. He proposes that Pedro marry Mariana and take care of her.
- At the Negrete ranch next-door Antonio gives the news of Mariana Aceves’ pregnancy to his dad, Gregorio. Antonio points out that he is about to be the father of the heir to El Talisman.
- Because of the cancer, Don Bernardo has decided to sell El Talisman to Estaban Najera and his family. He goes to Texas to do the deal, sorts the terms with Esteban Najera and they agree to close the deal in three months
- In the Negrete stables, Antonio messes with some tack as he talks to his sister Lucrezia. She points that their Dad (Gregorio) says he is still married to Doris. She also says she knows that he doesn’t like Doris but he sure seems to like having sex with her. Antonio tells Lucrezia that El Talisman will be his because of his child-to-be with Mariana.
- Mariana overhears Antonio boasting of this. Antonio grabs her by the neck, threatens her and tells her he will not be separated from his son.
- Camila calls Pedro. Pedro asks Camila to be patient with him. He can’t explain but lots of things are going on.
- Mariana tells Pedro that Antonio will try to take her baby from her. She is very frightened because his lawyers will tear her to shreds. Pedro says that because of Don Bernardo’s earlier request he will marry Mariana. She understands that it will be a marriage of convenience.
- Cut to El Talisman, Don Bernardo’s bedroom, same day, same outfits. Some Justice of the Peace pronounces Pedro and Mariana married. The doctor and a dying Bernardo witness the marriage. Bernardo asks Pedro to get El Talisman back and give it to Marianna and his grandchild.
- Don Bernardo’s last words are to Pedro, his new son-in-law. “Pedro, get El Talisman back.” Don Bernardo dies.
- Back in Texas Estaban and the Najeras get the legal papers that tell them they now own El Talisman. They travel to Cal and take possession of the ranch. Gregorio Negrete comes over to El Talisman looking for Mariana and finds Camila instead. Gregorio and Camila get in to a fight. Camila tells him that her parents just bought the ranch. She gives him a slap and he leaves swearing he will have El Talisman.
- Later Gregorio comes back to El Talisman and tries to intimidate the Najeras out of El Talisman. They think he is crazy. At this point why haven’t we called the police?
- Gregoio decides to reverse tactics and get El Talisman from the Nejeras’ by being neighborly. He invites the new neighbors to dinner. The Negrete’s scheme on how they will get the ranch through Elvira Najera because she rules the roost.
- Pedro goes out to catch up with Camila. He and Mariana have moved to another home nearby. While Pedro is gone, Gregorio goes to a pregnant Mariana’s house and beats her up. Yes, he hits, slaps and kicks a pregnant woman. I cannot STAND this. He tells Mariana that regardless of what her father that ‘damned Bernardo’ did he will get the El Talisman back.
- Meanwhile Pedro meets Camila for five minutes at El Talisman and gives her a red rose. He promises to set up a time when they can get together and talk and he can explain why he has been acting so odd since she returned from Texas and moved into El Talisman. He still hasn’t told her about his marriage of convenience to Mariana. Just as he gives Camila the rose the phone rings and he is called to Mariana’s side.
- Mariana is in the hospital, badly injured and she has lost the baby. Pedro harasses a police officer to do something about Mariana’s case. The police officer tells Pedro that they cannot just act on Mariana’s accusation. (This is just wrong. California has some of the toughest domestic violence laws in the US. If Mariana or anybody else named Gregorio as her assailant a case would be put together, no matter how much money Gregorio has.)
- Immediately after assaulting and beating Mariana, Gregorio changes clothes and hosts Elvira and Estaban Najera for dinner where he charms both of them, especially Elvira. Gross. After dinner, Valentin, Greg’s henchman tells him that Esteban has a fatal weakness— a compulsive gambling problem.
- Camila hires Tracy to cook for them at El Talisman. Later Elvira is seen by Tracy going out by herself, all dolled up. Camila is also dressed up to go meet Pedro.
- Pedro is at the hospital visiting Mariana, who has had a psychotic break. She doesn’t recognize Pedro and she is holding and talking to an invisible baby.
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Thank you for doing this recap. It's definitely no one to snark on. Gregorio is pure evil. Antonio is just as bad.
Mariana breaks my heart. Is she going to be this way for most of the run?
I hated, hated, hated the scene with the cops. The impression it left of the US legal system was: don't bother reporting domestic abuse, they can't do anything on just your word. Irresponsible, irresponsible!!!!
Mariana breaks my heart. Is she going to be this way for most of the run?
I hated, hated, hated the scene with the cops. The impression it left of the US legal system was: don't bother reporting domestic abuse, they can't do anything on just your word. Irresponsible, irresponsible!!!!
Oh, EJ, I have to agree with you. We went fromn thinking this TN a hoot about, to watching a bunch of macho women abusers?
I admit, I turned it off as the attack on Mari was happening and so missed the rest. Glee was a much better view. Reading about the way American police were portrayed was very wrong if that's what they did. Especially with the bruises she had to have. I would think even the hospital would report what they have seen themselves.Just blowing the victim off because it's just her word??--guess we're going to have one of those convenient local police that will allow the nasties to get away with everything--just so we have a TN.
Man, do I miss Cuando.....
I admit, I turned it off as the attack on Mari was happening and so missed the rest. Glee was a much better view. Reading about the way American police were portrayed was very wrong if that's what they did. Especially with the bruises she had to have. I would think even the hospital would report what they have seen themselves.Just blowing the victim off because it's just her word??--guess we're going to have one of those convenient local police that will allow the nasties to get away with everything--just so we have a TN.
Man, do I miss Cuando.....
Elna June: Thank you for rising above this uber-violent material and providing this excellent, detail laden recap. With very limited Spanish, I always struggle, particularly at the beginning of the story. Your relating so many events and including dialog “What did you feel when you met me yesterday? He answers that the best way to find out is with a kiss. Then we have several minutes of lovely romantic scenes..." was extremely helpful. It was one of the few happy moments of the night.
The violence was gruesome, I totally concur. While Gregorio's actions earned him a one way express ticket to hell, I have to say that Antonio grabbing Mariana by the throat was simply heinous. I am shocked at how evil the actor is playing the character. Such a change from his role in Teresa. He makes my skin crawl. Blech.
Elna June, again thank you! I hope the next episode is much lighter! Your talent and dedication deserve no less.
Diana
The violence was gruesome, I totally concur. While Gregorio's actions earned him a one way express ticket to hell, I have to say that Antonio grabbing Mariana by the throat was simply heinous. I am shocked at how evil the actor is playing the character. Such a change from his role in Teresa. He makes my skin crawl. Blech.
Elna June, again thank you! I hope the next episode is much lighter! Your talent and dedication deserve no less.
Diana
Permalink posted by 
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 7:18:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 7:18:00 AM EST
"Such a change from his role in Teresa. He makes my skin crawl. Blech."
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I'm buying him more as a slimy, jack-ass evil guy than the sweet, hard-working guy of Teresa. I think it's the narrow, beady little eyes which he uses to perfection to portray "mwahaha"!
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I'm buying him more as a slimy, jack-ass evil guy than the sweet, hard-working guy of Teresa. I think it's the narrow, beady little eyes which he uses to perfection to portray "mwahaha"!
Thanks for posting this, Elna June.
I was also shocked beyond belief. I've been watching novelas for the better part of 19 years and this is the first time I can ever recall seeing this particular violent act. This couldn't have been easy for the actors.
For a few minutes I thought we were watching Mujeres Assesinas.
Blanca Soto needs a new hairstyle as well as a wardrobe makeover; I hate that off-center braid thing.
I don't think that the police are ever shown realistically in novelas, especially ones that are supposed to be happening in the US. I complained about this all through Eva Luna and the Telemundo ones I've watched over the years.
I was also shocked beyond belief. I've been watching novelas for the better part of 19 years and this is the first time I can ever recall seeing this particular violent act. This couldn't have been easy for the actors.
For a few minutes I thought we were watching Mujeres Assesinas.
Blanca Soto needs a new hairstyle as well as a wardrobe makeover; I hate that off-center braid thing.
I don't think that the police are ever shown realistically in novelas, especially ones that are supposed to be happening in the US. I complained about this all through Eva Luna and the Telemundo ones I've watched over the years.
Oh Elna June, I am sorry you were hit with this. I am still stunned at what they showed last night. This is shaping up to be a very unpleasant story. For your sake, and all the other recappers, I hope this changes.
Kudos to you for a well-articulated protest.
Kudos to you for a well-articulated protest.
EJ - our precious, wonderful EJ - I so respect your well-voiced protest of the unnecessary violence. What does the police reaction tell women about reporting abuse? I must echo Sara with "irresponsible, irresponsible"!
I have not even watched this ep yet, and as one who always ff's the blood and gore, I appreciate the heads up.
Daisy worded it perfectly - "Man, do I miss Cuando" and their PSAs. Opposite of what's going on here.
Keep speaking out for those afraid to use their voices, EJ! You are maravillosa! Hopefully by the time you re-cap again, the focus will be back on belt buckles.
Word verification: spetrigh. I want to spet righ in the face of the writers.
Rosemary la Otra
I have not even watched this ep yet, and as one who always ff's the blood and gore, I appreciate the heads up.
Daisy worded it perfectly - "Man, do I miss Cuando" and their PSAs. Opposite of what's going on here.
Keep speaking out for those afraid to use their voices, EJ! You are maravillosa! Hopefully by the time you re-cap again, the focus will be back on belt buckles.
Word verification: spetrigh. I want to spet righ in the face of the writers.
Rosemary la Otra
Yeah, I'm afraid this one has lost me. The bad guys are just too bad. And Camila's mother turns into a major villainess just like that? At first sight of Gregorio?
My condolences EJ!
So Gregorio murders his own grandchild in a brutal beating of a pregnant woman. (I can't believe they went there, nor to the choking in front of his unprotesting sister!) And is Antonio just going to shrug off his father murdering his child? After spending all that money on lawyers to gain control of his child? [I don't know if they showed Antonio's reaction yet] It just boggles the mind. Wo cares that much about a ranch anyway. Oh, right, Gregorio loved his neighbor's wife so much that he killed her as collateral damage when torching part of her ranch. Blech! And the kids inherit their father's obsession with owning the ranch - right!
To bad. I love watching Rafael Novoa and hearing him speak Spanish. But not enough to put up with the rest of it.
Audrey
My condolences EJ!
So Gregorio murders his own grandchild in a brutal beating of a pregnant woman. (I can't believe they went there, nor to the choking in front of his unprotesting sister!) And is Antonio just going to shrug off his father murdering his child? After spending all that money on lawyers to gain control of his child? [I don't know if they showed Antonio's reaction yet] It just boggles the mind. Wo cares that much about a ranch anyway. Oh, right, Gregorio loved his neighbor's wife so much that he killed her as collateral damage when torching part of her ranch. Blech! And the kids inherit their father's obsession with owning the ranch - right!
To bad. I love watching Rafael Novoa and hearing him speak Spanish. But not enough to put up with the rest of it.
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 9:23:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 9:23:00 AM EST
Oh my Elna June, my heart goes out to you. I was completely stunned by last night's episode. I echo your protest and share in the outrage expressed by everyone here. The only other thing I can think to say about that scene is... Why?
I was disappointed in the portrayal of the Fresno (I presume) Police. This the USA for goodness sake. Don't these writers watch any of the English language police shows?
I found myself longing for my old friend Crazy Jerónimo (CME). He certainly wouldn't have been just wringing his hands like that pretty eunuch Pedro.
Only 2 episodes and we've already ended up here?
I want Gregorio DEAD! Soon! When he strolled into the Talismán like he owned the place and Elvira almost wet herself, I thought that this would be fun... but now...
Carlos
I was disappointed in the portrayal of the Fresno (I presume) Police. This the USA for goodness sake. Don't these writers watch any of the English language police shows?
I found myself longing for my old friend Crazy Jerónimo (CME). He certainly wouldn't have been just wringing his hands like that pretty eunuch Pedro.
Only 2 episodes and we've already ended up here?
I want Gregorio DEAD! Soon! When he strolled into the Talismán like he owned the place and Elvira almost wet herself, I thought that this would be fun... but now...
Carlos
Wow, not a good look for the Fresno Police Department!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 9:41:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 9:41:00 AM EST
Gregorio going after Mariana the way he did...objectively, I get the need to establish and reinforce that he's an Evil Novela Villano. I do. But kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach in the second episode of the show is more than a little beyond the pale, even if they didn't show the actual act. And Novelalandia law failing on the heels of that act just makes it worse. It was more like something out of General Hospital (which unfortunately has often been nearly as misogynistic as Mujeres Asesinas) than your average novela. There were other ways to get where they wanted to go while still ensuring that Greg needs killin'...
(And I suppose in the face of that Antonio gets sort of a pass from me. Right now he's merely at the same level as Leonardo from Eva Luna, who IIRC did the same thing to Claudia and Alicia when both of them were newly pregnant.)
I do hope this particular writers' gaffe is the worst the show throws at us, though its place at the start of the show doesn't help.
(And I suppose in the face of that Antonio gets sort of a pass from me. Right now he's merely at the same level as Leonardo from Eva Luna, who IIRC did the same thing to Claudia and Alicia when both of them were newly pregnant.)
I do hope this particular writers' gaffe is the worst the show throws at us, though its place at the start of the show doesn't help.
Let me just say...Wow...Yikes..and Ugh. This novela is not what I need after a long day. I can't stand watching that depraved family unit..Oily, Ugly, and Slutty . Pedro isn't enough to make me keep watching. Also, I agree about the inaccurate portrayal of the response of American police to violence. I know 4 police officers, and they would all be appalled to see police portrayed in this manner. They put themselves in danger everyday defending abuse victims. I often warn my students that if they are used to bribing police in their countries, they should not try to do it here. Not all police operate they way ours do.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 10:05:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 10:05:00 AM EST
Oh, my, Elna June, such a smelly odious episode. I know your writing style, and this was clipped (accurate and precise, but like you were holding your nose with one hand and holding this episode at arm's length with the other).
I cannot imagine what the writers were thinking when they wrote this travesty. Are they themselves also sociopaths like Greg and Tony?
I'm already thinking of appropriate ways of offing these two scumbags. As an initial thought, I think Tony's 6-pack abs, and Greg's beer gut would look better with bayonets protruding from them.
I just could not find a reference point from which to begin to understand a grandfather attacking the mother of his grandchild like that.
Is anyone else suffering from whiplash after watching Julieta Rosen transition from the uber respectable Regina in Cuando to an incipient slutina in this TN?
David
I cannot imagine what the writers were thinking when they wrote this travesty. Are they themselves also sociopaths like Greg and Tony?
I'm already thinking of appropriate ways of offing these two scumbags. As an initial thought, I think Tony's 6-pack abs, and Greg's beer gut would look better with bayonets protruding from them.
I just could not find a reference point from which to begin to understand a grandfather attacking the mother of his grandchild like that.
Is anyone else suffering from whiplash after watching Julieta Rosen transition from the uber respectable Regina in Cuando to an incipient slutina in this TN?
David
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 10:32:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 10:32:00 AM EST
Ugh, I just watched it. Not a good way to start the day. I haven't been this depressed since googling the lyrics to "Pumped Up Kicks". Yuck, truly.
On the bright side, I noticed that Don B had also hired Pedro's border crossing buddy, Margarito.
Sara - LOL to your comment yesterday: "What's with the weird washed out glow look to the TN?". I saw that today. How odd. Fresno, anyone reported a radioactive spill recently?
Vivi - LATimes crossword puzzle clue, 4 letters: 1960s - '70s anti-apartheid activist Steve. Of course I thought of you!
R la O
On the bright side, I noticed that Don B had also hired Pedro's border crossing buddy, Margarito.
Sara - LOL to your comment yesterday: "What's with the weird washed out glow look to the TN?". I saw that today. How odd. Fresno, anyone reported a radioactive spill recently?
Vivi - LATimes crossword puzzle clue, 4 letters: 1960s - '70s anti-apartheid activist Steve. Of course I thought of you!
R la O
Haha David! "Incipient Slutina". Nicely put, and yes, it is jarring. When she hollered at the Spanglish girl it was more like Fina than Regina.
So, two violent shows (the Salinas version and now this) running at the same time.
The scene was sickening. I was shocked at the violence and had to turn it off. I don't have the experience of you experts on this forum, but in the few shows I have seen, this episode took the cake.
To the recapper: good job on a horrible episode. This was just horrible and not necessary.
The scene was sickening. I was shocked at the violence and had to turn it off. I don't have the experience of you experts on this forum, but in the few shows I have seen, this episode took the cake.
To the recapper: good job on a horrible episode. This was just horrible and not necessary.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 11:17:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 11:17:00 AM EST
Thanks, Elna June, for a fine recap of a difficult episode.
I'm enjoying the show despite the horrors, as I try to keep in mind that it's supposed to be overdone, supposed to be outrageous. It certainly got everyone's attention.
I've been watching shows on Telemundo, and believe me, the bad guys are just as bad on that channel as here.
I actually found some of the scenes funny, especially at the end, with Mariana going over and over again, "where's my baby, where's my baby". Yes, I know, I'm a little twisted. It's just that it's such classic telenovela stuff.
I'm enjoying the show despite the horrors, as I try to keep in mind that it's supposed to be overdone, supposed to be outrageous. It certainly got everyone's attention.
I've been watching shows on Telemundo, and believe me, the bad guys are just as bad on that channel as here.
I actually found some of the scenes funny, especially at the end, with Mariana going over and over again, "where's my baby, where's my baby". Yes, I know, I'm a little twisted. It's just that it's such classic telenovela stuff.
Wow, not a super-fun episode. Yikes. Well, now that we've established just how BAD BAD BAD Gregorio is, I hope we can settle down into more everyday villainy. Thanks for braving it to bring us the recap, Elna June. You did a great job.
I don't understand at all WHY Gregorio did it. Doesn't this foil the blackmail plan? Did he actually hope to gain anything, or is he just out-of-control angry and doesn't think about consequences?
And yeah, there is NO WAY the police would react that way, even if Gregorio is an influential man in the area. And if the police did say that, Mariana or Pedro could slip some information to the right local journalist and oh, the scandal that would ensue. I mean, the woman was beaten up and lost her baby, it isn't like there is no evidence she was brutally attacked.
I think we need to introduce a few new characters. The good guys seem badly outnumbered at the moment.
I don't understand at all WHY Gregorio did it. Doesn't this foil the blackmail plan? Did he actually hope to gain anything, or is he just out-of-control angry and doesn't think about consequences?
And yeah, there is NO WAY the police would react that way, even if Gregorio is an influential man in the area. And if the police did say that, Mariana or Pedro could slip some information to the right local journalist and oh, the scandal that would ensue. I mean, the woman was beaten up and lost her baby, it isn't like there is no evidence she was brutally attacked.
I think we need to introduce a few new characters. The good guys seem badly outnumbered at the moment.
Poor Mariana. That scene was pretty hard to watch. I was shocked, didn't think Gregorio was going to go that far. Killing your own grandchild.
Reminded me of Sortilegio when David Zepeda's character did that to Jackie Bracamonte's character, although he stopped himself.
I'm enjoying this novela though, I like that the pacing doesn't drag. Novoa is a hottie!! I love Blanca Soto, from every interview I've seen of her, she seems like an upbeat person that doesn't take herself too seriously.
I'm interested to meet Doris, Antonio's wife.
Reminded me of Sortilegio when David Zepeda's character did that to Jackie Bracamonte's character, although he stopped himself.
I'm enjoying this novela though, I like that the pacing doesn't drag. Novoa is a hottie!! I love Blanca Soto, from every interview I've seen of her, she seems like an upbeat person that doesn't take herself too seriously.
I'm interested to meet Doris, Antonio's wife.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:28:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:28:00 PM EST
Holy cow! What happened to our fun, cheesy telenovela? That scene with Greg kicking Mariana was just wrong. And the hospital would have called the police, they don't need Mariana's "word".
EJ, I'm so sorry you got stuck with this wretched episode. You really took one for the team this time.
I agree with Sara - "The impression it left of the US legal system was: don't bother reporting domestic abuse, they can't do anything on just your word. Irresponsible, irresponsible!!!!"
Anybody know how we can complain to Univision? Yes, I know that telenovelas are beyond common sense but there is a dangerous message here.
In answer to my original question, I guess the telenovela is still very CHEESY, (pure camembert as some clever person said, yep ripe and stinky). It just wasn't very much fun.
Hombre, I haven't watched Telemundo since Dona Barbara. Now that you mention it, I'm remembering some pretty yucky stuff that the bad guys did in that one.
EJ, I'm so sorry you got stuck with this wretched episode. You really took one for the team this time.
I agree with Sara - "The impression it left of the US legal system was: don't bother reporting domestic abuse, they can't do anything on just your word. Irresponsible, irresponsible!!!!"
Anybody know how we can complain to Univision? Yes, I know that telenovelas are beyond common sense but there is a dangerous message here.
In answer to my original question, I guess the telenovela is still very CHEESY, (pure camembert as some clever person said, yep ripe and stinky). It just wasn't very much fun.
Hombre, I haven't watched Telemundo since Dona Barbara. Now that you mention it, I'm remembering some pretty yucky stuff that the bad guys did in that one.
All:
Thanks for all the support, I really appreciate it.
Sara said it best regarding the writing for the epi—it was irresponsible.
If anyone is reading this blog who knows someone who is in a relationship that is abusive, please know that in the United States the police can and do respond to domestic violence calls with care for and belief in the victim.
As Susanlynn said, these calls are very hard on the police—and dangerous for them as well. But police, prosecutors and judges here receive mandatory training in dealing with both victims and perpetrators of domestic violence.
In some states there are laws that the State has the prerogative to prosecute the abuser EVEN if the victim withdraws their complaint, as so often happens in these complicated situations.
If you are being hit or you feel unsafe there is help available! Please do not hesitate to call 911 or your local women's shelter.
EJ
Thanks for all the support, I really appreciate it.
Sara said it best regarding the writing for the epi—it was irresponsible.
If anyone is reading this blog who knows someone who is in a relationship that is abusive, please know that in the United States the police can and do respond to domestic violence calls with care for and belief in the victim.
As Susanlynn said, these calls are very hard on the police—and dangerous for them as well. But police, prosecutors and judges here receive mandatory training in dealing with both victims and perpetrators of domestic violence.
In some states there are laws that the State has the prerogative to prosecute the abuser EVEN if the victim withdraws their complaint, as so often happens in these complicated situations.
If you are being hit or you feel unsafe there is help available! Please do not hesitate to call 911 or your local women's shelter.
EJ
Cap'n:
I am going to compose a scathing letter and send it to the local station carrying Univision.
I would like to find a way to communicate with the producers—maybe a letter to the editor of TV y Novelas?
Hmmm...My written Spanish isn't very good so I will have to find a native speaker to translate for me.
EJ
I am going to compose a scathing letter and send it to the local station carrying Univision.
I would like to find a way to communicate with the producers—maybe a letter to the editor of TV y Novelas?
Hmmm...My written Spanish isn't very good so I will have to find a native speaker to translate for me.
EJ
I guess after watching some of the latest TN's I indulged in, this kind of writing/violence just doesn't float my boat.
I'm leaning with Audrey- just not sure this is worth straying from my usual 7:00 slot for. I think I read somewhere that Una Familia ends soon, so maybe I'll just wait for that and go back to what plugs in at 7:00. I thought it was supposed to be Lucero's new TN...anyone know for sure?
I'm leaning with Audrey- just not sure this is worth straying from my usual 7:00 slot for. I think I read somewhere that Una Familia ends soon, so maybe I'll just wait for that and go back to what plugs in at 7:00. I thought it was supposed to be Lucero's new TN...anyone know for sure?
Una Familia is going to go on approximately forever, unless Looneyvision starts cutting it down. we're at episode 100ish right now and I heard it has like 250 or so total.
EJ, I'm sure they all speak English in their business offices. A letter in English should be fine. There used to be a site that took complaints but I can't find it.
daisynjay, I don't think Familia is ending any time soon. I just read Julia's response so there you are.
daisynjay, I don't think Familia is ending any time soon. I just read Julia's response so there you are.
Is there oil under El Talisman, or what? What about it is making people (Gregorio) act like this? I don't need to say anything more about the awful beating, except waht was he thinking? Clearly there's no good in him but getting rid of his sons heir doesn't help him get the ranch back.
Please please please let Pedro tell Camila about the family before she gets hooked on Antonio.
Maybe they just wanted to get this horribleness out of the way early and set up the level of villianry of Gregorio? At the rate it's going, the whole show will be over in a month and we can get on with something happier, once Greg gets what's coming to him.
Kelly
Please please please let Pedro tell Camila about the family before she gets hooked on Antonio.
Maybe they just wanted to get this horribleness out of the way early and set up the level of villianry of Gregorio? At the rate it's going, the whole show will be over in a month and we can get on with something happier, once Greg gets what's coming to him.
Kelly
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:47:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:47:00 PM EST
Hombre:
I am so glad to see you again!
Yes, the melodrama is pure TN but they did not need to show a man beating and kicking a pregnant woman and then make the police indifferent to her situation.
The fantasies of Greg-horrorio's demise will probably occupy a lot of space on this blog over the next 98 or so capitulos. I will not refer to him as "Don". He doesn't deserve the honorific.
EJ
I am so glad to see you again!
Yes, the melodrama is pure TN but they did not need to show a man beating and kicking a pregnant woman and then make the police indifferent to her situation.
The fantasies of Greg-horrorio's demise will probably occupy a lot of space on this blog over the next 98 or so capitulos. I will not refer to him as "Don". He doesn't deserve the honorific.
EJ
I think that abuse scene was even worse than it looked -- one of the things Pedro said in the hospital was that the reason Mariana was having the mental lapses was because of the blows to the head. (I don't think we can give him too hard a time for not insisting with the police, though -- after all, he IS undocumented, and he can't do much good for his adoptive family if he's deported back to Tijuana.)
That said, let me try to end on a positive note for today: Aarón is doing a great job at slitty-eyed villainy, and I LOVE Blanca Soto's outfits. As she got ready to leave the house last night, I was seriously coveting that blue dress.
Word verification: hysor. Yes, Don G *is* quite the eyesore. :(
That said, let me try to end on a positive note for today: Aarón is doing a great job at slitty-eyed villainy, and I LOVE Blanca Soto's outfits. As she got ready to leave the house last night, I was seriously coveting that blue dress.
Word verification: hysor. Yes, Don G *is* quite the eyesore. :(
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:51:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:51:00 PM EST
Thanks Julia. Bummer. Well, if this doesn't improve over the next episode or two, I think it will be time to load some good books into my Kindle Fire.
If anyone's on Facebook, Univisión has a page and there is also a separate one for El Talismán. I'll bet some negative feedback there would be taken seriously. (I just checked, and there is no reaction yet to last night's epi -- but I'll try to keep you posted.)
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:57:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:57:00 PM EST
Tk you EJ,
Don't think I'll get into this one, too bad it's between Familia & Podía. I don't care for any of the characters or even the actors & it seems it just wants to shock us in ***chapter 2*** ¡Por Dios!
That was a terrible scene with Gregorio beating up Mariana & KICKING her. Was he trying to kill the baby?
How is this one going over in Mexico?
Don't think I'll get into this one, too bad it's between Familia & Podía. I don't care for any of the characters or even the actors & it seems it just wants to shock us in ***chapter 2*** ¡Por Dios!
That was a terrible scene with Gregorio beating up Mariana & KICKING her. Was he trying to kill the baby?
How is this one going over in Mexico?
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:58:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:58:00 PM EST
I didn't consider this domestic violence. Gregorio is not a family member of Mariana. He had no right to be in that house. He pushed his way in, wouldn't leave, and assaulted a woman with intent to kill the baby.
No way US police would ignore an assault case with the victim in the hospital and the baby killed.
Audrey
No way US police would ignore an assault case with the victim in the hospital and the baby killed.
Audrey
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:00:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:00:00 PM EST
This one has not been seen in Mexico yet. It's a US produced TN and shown here first.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:01:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:01:00 PM EST
Thanks Blue Lass, I'm not on Facebook but for those of you who are it might be worth leaving a comment that, to combine quotes Elna June and Sara, "Mariana's beating from Gregorio, espcially without any consequences to him just continues to perpetuate the powerless stereotypes of women. The impression it left of the US legal system was: don't bother reporting domestic abuse, they can't do anything on just your word. Irresponsible, irresponsible!!!!"
We need to think up an appropriate nickname for Gregorio. Julia, any ideas?
We need to think up an appropriate nickname for Gregorio. Julia, any ideas?
Variopinta, he WAS trying to kill the baby -- at one point he said, "Your child will never be born!"
Please, epithet mavens, come up with a name for him that is so hateful we will feel righteous satisfaction every time we say it.
Please, epithet mavens, come up with a name for him that is so hateful we will feel righteous satisfaction every time we say it.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:04:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:04:00 PM EST
I like Elna June's "Greg-horrorio." Monday I was thinking Gregarious but now that isn't nearly awful enough. I'll let it percolate in my brain for awhile...
Blue Lass:
Isn't Pedro now legally in the US because he married Mariana? I think they have to stay married for a while, live together and all that but I think he's OK with the INS as long as he can show they have a "real" relationship.
Now that should provide some romantic obstacles for Camila and Pedro, shouldn't it?
Thanks for the catch in the hospital dialogue on Mariana's head injury. I totally missed that.
EJ
Isn't Pedro now legally in the US because he married Mariana? I think they have to stay married for a while, live together and all that but I think he's OK with the INS as long as he can show they have a "real" relationship.
Now that should provide some romantic obstacles for Camila and Pedro, shouldn't it?
Thanks for the catch in the hospital dialogue on Mariana's head injury. I totally missed that.
EJ
I am wondering if it is technically possible to send Univision a link to this recap and comments?
How's this for a nickname for Gregorio? *&#$*&!
How's this for a nickname for Gregorio? *&#$*&!
Oh, right, EJ, I forgot about green card by marriage.
Here's a link on the subject, since we're always trying to become more culturally literate:
http://www.h1b.biz/lawyer-attorney-1213338.html
I don't think Pedro and Mariana would pass the interview portion, though!
Here's a link on the subject, since we're always trying to become more culturally literate:
http://www.h1b.biz/lawyer-attorney-1213338.html
I don't think Pedro and Mariana would pass the interview portion, though!
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:16:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:16:00 PM EST
Could Pedro be legal already? He has to actually apply for and be granted the visa, just being married isn't enough, right?
I did wonder if they helped him get papers before, by sponsoring and employing him. Could that be one reason to make him the foreman...it makes him skilled labor and thus easier to get a visa?
Everything I pretend to know about immigration issues comes from just hearing individual stories, and not from actual knowledge of the laws, so I could be completely wrong about all this.
I did wonder if they helped him get papers before, by sponsoring and employing him. Could that be one reason to make him the foreman...it makes him skilled labor and thus easier to get a visa?
Everything I pretend to know about immigration issues comes from just hearing individual stories, and not from actual knowledge of the laws, so I could be completely wrong about all this.
Blue Lass- For this one we could just dispense with the usual nicknames and go with "Asshole". It's deserving.
For Pedro, the fact that he came over illegally may couse problems (in the real world at least). A friend of mine was a British citizen and married an American overseas years ago. They moved back to the US more than 10 years ago, him with a permanent residency (green card). He finally decided to become a citizen and it took less than 6 months. I was shocked at the speed, but they'd been married a long time and he had gone through all the legal channels in the move. But since this a novela we're talking about and the family Pedro married into is rich, his coming over illegally might not be a problem. He should apply to the police force. They need help.
Kelly
For Pedro, the fact that he came over illegally may couse problems (in the real world at least). A friend of mine was a British citizen and married an American overseas years ago. They moved back to the US more than 10 years ago, him with a permanent residency (green card). He finally decided to become a citizen and it took less than 6 months. I was shocked at the speed, but they'd been married a long time and he had gone through all the legal channels in the move. But since this a novela we're talking about and the family Pedro married into is rich, his coming over illegally might not be a problem. He should apply to the police force. They need help.
Kelly
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:28:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 1:28:00 PM EST
Thanks so much, Elna June. You did a terrific job even if you had to type with one hand while holding your nose with the other.
And Cynderella -- wonderful debut yesterday. You and Sylvia made a fabulous team.
Hombre, I admit I'm with you when you say ...
"I actually found some of the scenes funny, especially at the end, with Mariana going over and over again, "where's my baby, where's my baby". Yes, I know, I'm a little twisted. It's just that it's such classic telenovela stuff."
But maybe we've spent too much time over in the demimundo of Telemundo? :D
And Cynderella -- wonderful debut yesterday. You and Sylvia made a fabulous team.
Hombre, I admit I'm with you when you say ...
"I actually found some of the scenes funny, especially at the end, with Mariana going over and over again, "where's my baby, where's my baby". Yes, I know, I'm a little twisted. It's just that it's such classic telenovela stuff."
But maybe we've spent too much time over in the demimundo of Telemundo? :D
Novela Maven, you know, it's funny how sometimes tragic scenes in TV, movies and plays can somehow tickle a morbid sense of humor. Years ago I saw a superb play (local theatre even!) with Holly Hunter in the lead. It was a very depressing Irish play called By the Bog of Cats. I don't really remember too much of it now except at the very end Holly Hunter admits to a horrendous act, and she yells "I killed the baby! I killed the baby!" It was very moving at the time, but now, years later, whenever my play buddy Rafael and I want to crack each other up we'll pipe up with "I killed the baby! I killed the baby!" I realize I've just admitted to having a very sick sense of humor. Oh well, you guys probably already know that.
We also need a new singer for the theme song. She unnecessarily swallows half the lyrics. I find this irritating.
Now that Mariana has had the mental breakdown we know that Gregorio will not get even close to paying the piper until the finale.
Now that Mariana has had the mental breakdown we know that Gregorio will not get even close to paying the piper until the finale.
UA
Yes, I think we will suffer Gregorio until the bitter end.
My nickname nomination...Las Cucarachas Negrete.
EJ
Yes, I think we will suffer Gregorio until the bitter end.
My nickname nomination...Las Cucarachas Negrete.
EJ
Sylvia, you sick, sick person!! Come sit by me!
Thanks to Cyndi, Sylvia and EJ for the first recaps. Y'all are excellent writers and I appreciate you doing the heavy lifting for the rest of us.
Not sure I'm going to stay with this tn. Maybe I'm just spoiled after CME, Gancho, etc. but I'm just not loving this one.
Plus, we have an incredibly gentle, good-guy son named GREG...
Thanks to Cyndi, Sylvia and EJ for the first recaps. Y'all are excellent writers and I appreciate you doing the heavy lifting for the rest of us.
Not sure I'm going to stay with this tn. Maybe I'm just spoiled after CME, Gancho, etc. but I'm just not loving this one.
Plus, we have an incredibly gentle, good-guy son named GREG...
I have a brother named Greg, and I'm a little surprised now that I'm thinking about it that I've never thought up any mean apodos using his name. Only affectionate ones. It's like we aren't even siblings!
BTW, I have Univision on Google+. They posted stuff about El Tal. That might be a good place to let them know how we feel about the violence. EJ, a copy and paste of your opening paragraph might get their attention, or at least reach a broad readership.
OK so we won't call him Greg. But Julia, you call yourself a sister?!? No nasty nicknames? Perish the thought. I used to call my sister Toni Macaroni, Bony Toni, Toni Baloney and worse of course. It's no wonder she insisted on getting rid of her nickname and going with her true name of Sonja. As in Sonja I Wanna Bone Ya.
I like Los Cucarachas Negrete for the entire family.
I like Los Cucarachas Negrete for the entire family.
Emilia
Pls feel free to cut and paste away. I love you tech savvy folks.
Sending my best to you and Mike
EJ
Pls feel free to cut and paste away. I love you tech savvy folks.
Sending my best to you and Mike
EJ
OK Cap'n, that last one restored my sense of humor. I think we hane a possibility with El Gordo Cucaracha Gregorio. EGCG.
Thanks, Cap'n -- I felt so alone. :)
I think we're being too hard on "Ogorio". (Or maybe just "Shrek"?) He DOES have excellent brow hygiene. He must mow those suckers twice a day.
I think we're being too hard on "Ogorio". (Or maybe just "Shrek"?) He DOES have excellent brow hygiene. He must mow those suckers twice a day.
Wow! Work has kept me busy today, but there's no need for me to say more. You all said exactly what I was thinking last night as I watched that scene and then the scene with the cops. I will go on Facebook tonight and send a note to Uni.
I have seen some of the tns on Telemundo (US based like this one), and I've watched some of the Colombian narco-novelas, and I will say they also like to indulge in the uber violence. Perhaps the Mexican tns can be romantic and cheesy, but they do tend to stay away from this kind of horrific violence on the innocent, for the most part. It was because I was just coming off watching a Colombian narco-novela that I couldn't bear to watch Reina del Sol. No matter how good it was. I have a low tolerance for that kind of violence (violence against women and kids). Televisa even gets to me sometimes with their constant rape storylines.
I will forgive the writers this turn in the story if they don't do something like it again.
RlaO- LOL about the crossword puzzle. :)
I have seen some of the tns on Telemundo (US based like this one), and I've watched some of the Colombian narco-novelas, and I will say they also like to indulge in the uber violence. Perhaps the Mexican tns can be romantic and cheesy, but they do tend to stay away from this kind of horrific violence on the innocent, for the most part. It was because I was just coming off watching a Colombian narco-novela that I couldn't bear to watch Reina del Sol. No matter how good it was. I have a low tolerance for that kind of violence (violence against women and kids). Televisa even gets to me sometimes with their constant rape storylines.
I will forgive the writers this turn in the story if they don't do something like it again.
RlaO- LOL about the crossword puzzle. :)
I like it!
In the interest of fair play, my sister used to call me Silly Syl, Silver Dollar Pancake, Illvia, others I can't remember right now, and of course Saliva.
In the interest of fair play, my sister used to call me Silly Syl, Silver Dollar Pancake, Illvia, others I can't remember right now, and of course Saliva.
Where are my manners? Thanks so much Elna June for taking one for the team and doing a stellar recap.
UA -- the theme song is sung by a Spanish artist. Not sure where she's from but if it's from Southern Spain don't they tend to swallow the final syllables?
I posted your comment to Univision, EJ. However in reading the comments here about the violence in TNs, I don't hold out much hope that Univision will listen, or care.
I may just wait (and wait...) for a new 7:00 TN. we'll see. I may have to eat my words.
I may just wait (and wait...) for a new 7:00 TN. we'll see. I may have to eat my words.
Sara, in Southern Spain they don't use the theta, so that's probably not her excuse. ;}
Having said that, the full-length version of the song in the promo (available on Youtube) is much better -- the one used before the show is clipped and rushed. I downloaded the album version onto my iPod and I love it. (Got my very first iPod for Christmas -- first three songs: the themes from Teresa, Cuando, and el Tal, of course!)
Having said that, the full-length version of the song in the promo (available on Youtube) is much better -- the one used before the show is clipped and rushed. I downloaded the album version onto my iPod and I love it. (Got my very first iPod for Christmas -- first three songs: the themes from Teresa, Cuando, and el Tal, of course!)
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 2:53:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 2:53:00 PM EST
Sylvia - don't forget your sister nickname of Prissybutt!
Blue Lass - I am not yet into downloading songs but I am loving my two new c.d.s: Enrique's CME and Andreas Bocceli's version of the song (Regina and Gonzo 's song). That song is followed by Can't Help Falling in Love with You. Beautiful.
Blue Lass - I am not yet into downloading songs but I am loving my two new c.d.s: Enrique's CME and Andreas Bocceli's version of the song (Regina and Gonzo 's song). That song is followed by Can't Help Falling in Love with You. Beautiful.
You can expect some evil but that was way over the top. I can't imagine a bad enough end for Gregorio.
I know Mujeres Asesinas is violent but you expect it. My favorite was when Maria Rojo served her abuser in the tacos in her diner. Perfect end for Gregorio, just don't kill him before putting him in the meat grinder.
I know Mujeres Asesinas is violent but you expect it. My favorite was when Maria Rojo served her abuser in the tacos in her diner. Perfect end for Gregorio, just don't kill him before putting him in the meat grinder.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 3:40:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 3:40:00 PM EST
NovelaMaven you make a valid point. Brow hygiene is important. Unibrow over on LQNPA is proof of that. BlueLass thank you. Mi abuelo was from Galicia so I have only heard rumors about the Spanish of Andaluz. :-)
Oooo an abuelo gallego. Bet he was a handsome devil.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 3:52:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 3:52:00 PM EST
Sara,
I knew YOU wouldn't underestimate the importance of brow care.
And speaking of Andalú ...
Here's a link to a hilarious (if a bit naughty) spoof on all things Andalusian:
"Curso dandalú"
http://tinyurl.com/86fnnan
I knew YOU wouldn't underestimate the importance of brow care.
And speaking of Andalú ...
Here's a link to a hilarious (if a bit naughty) spoof on all things Andalusian:
"Curso dandalú"
http://tinyurl.com/86fnnan
Wonderful recap! Thank you. Will read comments on the train but got to ask, where are Antonio's wife and 2 kids? Surprising he slept in his home bed at least twice. And why didn't the hospital call in the police when they checked in a pregnant woman who had been kicked around like that?
"Curso Dandalú" -- very droll, NovelaMaven!
I did notice the "swallowed" syllables that Sara mentioned, and also the "ceceo" -- pronouncing all the "s" sounds as theta (not just the soft c's and z's), which is considered quite ignorant in Spain.
They swallow syllables just like that in the Caribbean -- I wonder if it is from being settled by Southern Spaniards (which is the reason they don't use the theta in South America, by the way. It was mostly the Andalusians and I believe the Extremadurans who sailed...)
I did notice the "swallowed" syllables that Sara mentioned, and also the "ceceo" -- pronouncing all the "s" sounds as theta (not just the soft c's and z's), which is considered quite ignorant in Spain.
They swallow syllables just like that in the Caribbean -- I wonder if it is from being settled by Southern Spaniards (which is the reason they don't use the theta in South America, by the way. It was mostly the Andalusians and I believe the Extremadurans who sailed...)
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 4:43:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 4:43:00 PM EST
Sylvia & Cynderella, thank you both so much for the recaps yesterday. I'd guess the "Estreno" is particularly challenging but dang if you two didn't hit every point.
Elna Jung - what can I say? You're a trooper. And, OBTW, I like the bullet format. For me, very easy to read and, also, I appreciate your using the character's names, at least for this early episode. We can taunt them by name-calling soon, but it takes me a while to sort them out.
Bill C. - I agree with your thought that Gregorio needs killin'. David, your Army background shows in the mention of bayonets. I'd prefer to rig him w/ a four inch treble hook (you can figure out the attachment point) tied to an extraction chute and let him go from 10,000 feet over the Yuma ranges. If the fall doesn't get him, the coyotes will.
But I've been watching too much TV, I guess, because I was waiting for "Hello, Gregorio? I'm Dr. Zasio. I'm sensing that you're carrying around a lot of anger. Can we talk about that?" (Hoarders) Or, tell Boyd Crowder that Gregorio has eyes for Ava. (Justified). Anyway, what gives with the fancy silver plate on the front of his hat? Competing somehow with Antonio's belt buckle?
Well, let's just snug down our beanies and hope we don't have any more scenes like that.
And I do not want to see Elvira be a cualquiera for Gregorio, though I understand that's part of the story. Ick.
Poor Valentin, the henchman - one of the homeliest dudes I've ever seen.
Elna Jung - what can I say? You're a trooper. And, OBTW, I like the bullet format. For me, very easy to read and, also, I appreciate your using the character's names, at least for this early episode. We can taunt them by name-calling soon, but it takes me a while to sort them out.
Bill C. - I agree with your thought that Gregorio needs killin'. David, your Army background shows in the mention of bayonets. I'd prefer to rig him w/ a four inch treble hook (you can figure out the attachment point) tied to an extraction chute and let him go from 10,000 feet over the Yuma ranges. If the fall doesn't get him, the coyotes will.
But I've been watching too much TV, I guess, because I was waiting for "Hello, Gregorio? I'm Dr. Zasio. I'm sensing that you're carrying around a lot of anger. Can we talk about that?" (Hoarders) Or, tell Boyd Crowder that Gregorio has eyes for Ava. (Justified). Anyway, what gives with the fancy silver plate on the front of his hat? Competing somehow with Antonio's belt buckle?
Well, let's just snug down our beanies and hope we don't have any more scenes like that.
And I do not want to see Elvira be a cualquiera for Gregorio, though I understand that's part of the story. Ick.
Poor Valentin, the henchman - one of the homeliest dudes I've ever seen.
Coming late to the party, so commenting before reading the rest of the comments.
I know this is only the second ep, but I can't seem to get into this one, or Podia for that matter. Maybe because I'm still missing Cuando. I might start watching Podia again now that Ana Paula is back at the ranch or maybe I'll try watching Familia. Just don't think I can stomach this one. Personally, like when the hero and heroine take a little more time between attraction and admitting their feelings. I was thinking that now the whole novela is going to be about keeping them apart and no several eps of romance building.
The whole TN pacing seems a bit off to me.
Did where my beanie the first night, not because I expected any beanie-worthy moments this early in the game, but in honor of starting the TN. Good thing I had it on.
I was stunned by the scene with Gregorio kicking Mariana.
Robey
I know this is only the second ep, but I can't seem to get into this one, or Podia for that matter. Maybe because I'm still missing Cuando. I might start watching Podia again now that Ana Paula is back at the ranch or maybe I'll try watching Familia. Just don't think I can stomach this one. Personally, like when the hero and heroine take a little more time between attraction and admitting their feelings. I was thinking that now the whole novela is going to be about keeping them apart and no several eps of romance building.
The whole TN pacing seems a bit off to me.
Did where my beanie the first night, not because I expected any beanie-worthy moments this early in the game, but in honor of starting the TN. Good thing I had it on.
I was stunned by the scene with Gregorio kicking Mariana.
Robey
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 5:53:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 5:53:00 PM EST
NovelaMaven--I've seen that one before! Thanks for putting it back on my radar. :-)
That "swallowy" sound is one I hear a lot with Shakira, too. Drives me nuts.
Mike--You are so right Valentin is pretty homely. Poor guy.
That "swallowy" sound is one I hear a lot with Shakira, too. Drives me nuts.
Mike--You are so right Valentin is pretty homely. Poor guy.
I love the theme song.
Hee, "Curso Dandalu" is very funny. I like the "Vocabulario". Thanks for sharing.
I have learned to give a telenovela at least two weeks before deciding to ditch it or not. It took me about four weeks to get into CME, mostly because I hated Geronimo. I stayed for Silvia Navarro and I'm so glad I did. It turned out to be an excellent telenovela. (Not that I expect El Talisman to be an excellent telenovela. Nope, just doesn't feel that way.)
Hee, "Curso Dandalu" is very funny. I like the "Vocabulario". Thanks for sharing.
I have learned to give a telenovela at least two weeks before deciding to ditch it or not. It took me about four weeks to get into CME, mostly because I hated Geronimo. I stayed for Silvia Navarro and I'm so glad I did. It turned out to be an excellent telenovela. (Not that I expect El Talisman to be an excellent telenovela. Nope, just doesn't feel that way.)
I think they should follow all violent scenes with someone taking a nice relaxing shower, or frolicking with kittens or something.
They hack the love scenes to bits to protect our delicate sensitivities, but an ogre brutally assaulting a pregnant woman is okay?
But on a different note: for a first kiss between near-strangers, that went on awhile, didn't it? Reminded me of Blanca Soto's first smooch with Guy Ecker in Eva Luna, which lasted like ten minutes.
They hack the love scenes to bits to protect our delicate sensitivities, but an ogre brutally assaulting a pregnant woman is okay?
But on a different note: for a first kiss between near-strangers, that went on awhile, didn't it? Reminded me of Blanca Soto's first smooch with Guy Ecker in Eva Luna, which lasted like ten minutes.
Thanks, EJ! Greghorrorio and Ogrorio are great and spot on! I'm sure as time goes on other appropo apodo's will surface.
It was definitely a shocking scene. I'm with Bill C and Hombre as to reaction and need to shock. It's sweeps month--also, I'm thinking putting American cops in such an unfeeling characterization may be playing purposely to the won't come out of the shadows crowd. Dunno. Good tho' that EJ put the disclaimer up.
As for Gregs being up from the dregs, I'd say these two families--Negretes and Najares--may be rich, but the gene pool they come from is definitely Pre-cambrian.
It was definitely a shocking scene. I'm with Bill C and Hombre as to reaction and need to shock. It's sweeps month--also, I'm thinking putting American cops in such an unfeeling characterization may be playing purposely to the won't come out of the shadows crowd. Dunno. Good tho' that EJ put the disclaimer up.
As for Gregs being up from the dregs, I'd say these two families--Negretes and Najares--may be rich, but the gene pool they come from is definitely Pre-cambrian.
I love the theme song, too! I heard it before the show even started and it's the number one reason I decided to give it a try.
I am going to start giving a new TN more than two nights. I like the "two week rule", Sylvia. If I had used it way back when I wouldn't have missed CME. Still kicking myself about that.
"frolicking with kittens" LOL and Amen!
I am going to start giving a new TN more than two nights. I like the "two week rule", Sylvia. If I had used it way back when I wouldn't have missed CME. Still kicking myself about that.
"frolicking with kittens" LOL and Amen!
I caught the last half-hour of Familia last night, and there was a scene with three worldly-wise little kids and a bunch of puppies. When the little boy came to declare his love(!) to one of the little girls and told the other one to take a hike, the love object girl said, "Yes, just go play with the puppies until we're done." :)
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 6:23:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 6:23:00 PM EST
Late to the party.
Yeah, that was just ghastly. Another downer is that I was enjoying the brother/sister relationship that Pedro and Mariana had developed. He was such a strong help to her.
Now she's nuttier than a fruitcake and I suspect will stay that way.
Anyone planning to complain about the depiction of Fresno cops, I'd like to urge them on.
I wonder if we could write a letter to the actual Fresno cops, stating that they were portrayed on a telenovela as telling a female victim that it was her word against that of a rich guy. Thus after she'd been kicked in the stomach, causing her to lose her baby and in the head, causing mental confusion.
Yeah, that was just ghastly. Another downer is that I was enjoying the brother/sister relationship that Pedro and Mariana had developed. He was such a strong help to her.
Now she's nuttier than a fruitcake and I suspect will stay that way.
Anyone planning to complain about the depiction of Fresno cops, I'd like to urge them on.
I wonder if we could write a letter to the actual Fresno cops, stating that they were portrayed on a telenovela as telling a female victim that it was her word against that of a rich guy. Thus after she'd been kicked in the stomach, causing her to lose her baby and in the head, causing mental confusion.
Thank you, Elna June for recapping such a difficult episode, yes the violence was repugnant.
This is in no way a reflection of the way the police in Fresno would react here-this is typical TN depiction of police action.
That said, I thought the marriage scene with Don Bernardo literally on his death bed in the background dying 2 minutes later was pretty rediculous. And the plot moved so fast it was hard to keep up with.
This is in no way a reflection of the way the police in Fresno would react here-this is typical TN depiction of police action.
That said, I thought the marriage scene with Don Bernardo literally on his death bed in the background dying 2 minutes later was pretty rediculous. And the plot moved so fast it was hard to keep up with.
You know, they could do some really interesting things with the fact that Pedro is an undocumented worker living in the U.S. I had hopes of this when they showed him coming across the border and how everyone was crammed into the truck (although I'm sure in real life the conditions are much worse). I wonder if the writers will explore some of the problems Pedro might face being an illegal?
I also wondered whether marrying Mariana solved Pedro's illegal program. My cousin who was illegal married her guy the other year and got her green card within a year afterwards. She had been illegal over 10 years before that.
I'll place 'Gaghorrorio' into consideration. Definitely makes you want to upchuck. A fitting end would be losing control of the lawn mower when trimming those brows. :)
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 8:50:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 8:50:00 PM EST
Too much violence and nastiness -- I think I made this same comment a out LQNPA. I'm starting to warm to the latter, only because the basic beanie-tightening premise is getting more complicated. On the other hand, I don't think that Rog with his whip has done anything so vile as Greg.'s violence toward Mariana.
On another, completely superficial note: Every time I look at Blanca Soto, I think that she has been poorly served by the costumers. She is a very tall woman and larger in shoulders than other women in the show. The Indian/peasant look just doesn't work for her. Not only is it unfashionable, but she looks like a giant. She is one of the most beautiful woman in novelaland and deserves a better look in this one.
On another, completely superficial note: Every time I look at Blanca Soto, I think that she has been poorly served by the costumers. She is a very tall woman and larger in shoulders than other women in the show. The Indian/peasant look just doesn't work for her. Not only is it unfashionable, but she looks like a giant. She is one of the most beautiful woman in novelaland and deserves a better look in this one.
Traveling Lady, I agree about Blanca Soto's wardrobe. It makes her look awkward. She needs stuff that will make her look graceful.
I noticed some comments on Valentin, the henchman of Greghorrible that indicated that people had not seen him before. He's been something of a regular on Telemundo -- in Pecados Ajenos, Aurora, Perro Amor, Mas Sabe el Diablo, Mi Corazon Insiste, among others. With a face like that he generally plays a villain. In Mas Sabe el Diablo he was a mafia boss nicknamed "El Principe", but in "Mi Corazon Insiste" he actually was a good guy, Lola's aunt's best friend. I don't know whether his move to Univision is a step up or a step down. I have a one week rule on new telenovelas, but I'm not even going to last to the end of the week on this one.
Kayzie
Kayzie
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 9:59:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 9:59:00 PM EST
I'm late to the party on this one, but I think it's important to point out the exact content of Pedro's conversation with the police.
Pedro: No entiendo por qué no pueden detener a Gregorio Negrete, después de lo que le hizo a Mariana.
Policía: Mire, nos tiene que permitir hacer nuestro trabajo y nuestra investigación. Es la única manera de llegar a una conclusión, ¿comprende?. No se puede acusar a nadie así como así, Señor.
Pedro: De acuerdo, de acuerdo, oficial, pero entiende también Ud. una cosa. Las lagunas que tiene ella es por consecuencia de todos los golpes que recibió en la cabeza.
Policía: Ibarra, le repito lo mismo. Déjenos hacer nuestra investigación. Permiso.
It sounds to me as though Pedro is the only one making accusations (of a man whom they haven't seen or heard from in months, no less), and that Mariana's memory lapse is preventing her from identifying Gregorio as the attacker. The police can only consider the account of the victim or of witnesses; I think it's reasonable for them to want to conduct a proper investigation and bring people in for questioning at their own pace based on actual evidence. Of course, this is all "Semanas después", so something tells me their investigation isn't going very well.
Pedro: No entiendo por qué no pueden detener a Gregorio Negrete, después de lo que le hizo a Mariana.
Policía: Mire, nos tiene que permitir hacer nuestro trabajo y nuestra investigación. Es la única manera de llegar a una conclusión, ¿comprende?. No se puede acusar a nadie así como así, Señor.
Pedro: De acuerdo, de acuerdo, oficial, pero entiende también Ud. una cosa. Las lagunas que tiene ella es por consecuencia de todos los golpes que recibió en la cabeza.
Policía: Ibarra, le repito lo mismo. Déjenos hacer nuestra investigación. Permiso.
It sounds to me as though Pedro is the only one making accusations (of a man whom they haven't seen or heard from in months, no less), and that Mariana's memory lapse is preventing her from identifying Gregorio as the attacker. The police can only consider the account of the victim or of witnesses; I think it's reasonable for them to want to conduct a proper investigation and bring people in for questioning at their own pace based on actual evidence. Of course, this is all "Semanas después", so something tells me their investigation isn't going very well.
Thanks Zack. I'd think the cops would be a little more proactive about investigating such a heinous crime. Unfortunately your very good points make me think that we will get more flashbacks from Mariana. Ugh. Welcome to the board and I hope you comment again.
Belated thanks to Zack for making that bit, well, make more sense. (Still by Novelalandia rules, but definitely more plausible than the norm.)
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