Saturday, March 24, 2012
Abismo de pasión #10 3/23/12: Before you marry, make sure you know whom you are going to divorce.*
Nasty and Old
We get to see Lucio punch out Gabino’s lights. And we hear the old man tell him that sooner or later someone younger will come along and take HIS place at the procesadora, someone with more rights to that place than he has (Sons of Rosendo, wherever you are! Game on!)
We get to see rotten Carwatermelon go splat in the empty pool.
Nasty and New
Elisa wails Lolita’s name. Lolita comes to the rescue, climbing into the pool with surprising agility. Then somehow she manages to get help.
We are spared the details of the scooping up and removal of the ugli fruit.
Suddenly it and we are transported to the Health Center. Lolita and Blanca are huddled with Elisa, trying to comfort her. (“ I know she’ll blame me and my father will believe her!”) Disgusto joins them.
Now Dr. Tovar comes out looking, if not happy, at least relieved. Augusto is the father of a healthy son. While Carmina is in serious condition, she’ll recover. The problem is, because of complications in the emergency surgery, she will never be able to have another child.
Elisa wants to see her little brother but Disgusto dismisses her coldly, sending her home with Lolita.
Nightfall
In the Health Center, Augusto smiles fondly at the new baby.
Back at Casa Castañon, no one is smiling. Lolita tries to console Elisa.
Disgusto finally gets around to visiting his juiced orange. The fact that she’s unconscious doesn’t stop her from running her mouth:
It’s Elisa’s fault... Estefanía was terrible ... It’s my son – don’t take him from me, Rosendo ... Don’t do anything to him, Rosendo ... he’s yours, Rosendo ... he’s your son.
Say what? Disgusto leans over the raving ramera and shakes her angrily. What is she talking about? Why is she saying Rosie’s name? (How stupid ARE you, Augie?)
The nurse pulls him off her and ousts him from the room: Can’t he see that she’s sick? (Um. No, not quite yet.)
Braulio pays a surprise visit to Lolita at Casa Castañon. Will she marry him? They’ve been novios for a year. And he’s thinking of leaving the procesadora (“No aguanto a Gabino Mendoza” I can’t abide GM). They can go to a new town where he can find work and they can start a life together.
Lolita adores him but his proposal has taken her by surprise. She’s not so sure about the leaving part ...
Hubris? I’ll give you hubris! (or think twice about naming your kid after an emperor)
Padre Lupe warns Augusto he has become estranged from God. This crisis is a chance to get closer to Him. Augusto retorts that it is God who has moved away from him. (Lightning bolt, anyone?)
Doc Tovar has heard about Augie’s angry bedside outburst and now tells him that when people are delirious they say crazy sh*t. He has cared for Carmina all the way through her pregnancy – from that day she fainted in the street and ...
... Fainting in the street? News to Augie. But what really worries him is the PREMATURE birth of his son. They only got married eight months ago.
Doc is taken aback. (Why? He lives with the biggest gossip in town. Can he really be the only person in La Ermita who doesn’t remember two funerals and a wedding eight months ago?)
The nurse rescues him by letting Disgusto know that Carmina is awake and asking to see him.
Carmina is more gray than orange today. Still her crazy eyes gleam madly as she prattles on – they’ll name their son Augusto, after his father ... Now all they need is a daughter ... Elisa? She’s not HER daughter ... She wants a daughter with her blood and his ...
When she’s a bit better, they need to talk, Augie tells her.
The Wicked Black Widow is Whack
Doc’s been blabbing again. Now Begoña shares the latest with her BFF, Alfie: Carmina can’t have any more kids! The Black Widow’s reaction:
Me alegra. Seguramente es un castigo divino para que el apellido Bouvier no se prolifere más. (I’m glad. It’s surely a divine punishment to keep the Bouvier name from spreading any further).
Whoa. Even Begoña looks a little freaked. There we have it – Alfie’s theme for the night – It’s a punishment from God. Instead of repeating it, we’ll just say The Widow is Whack (thus blithely stealing the idea, if not the actual words, from Sylvia. Meh. So sue me.)
Enjoy it while you can, Carmina
Disgusto isn’t buying Carmina’s “Es igualito a ti” (He looks just like you!). Why didn’t she tell him about her fainting spell?
Blanca and Elisa’s entrance spares the sour citrus the effort of lying. Elisa wants to meet her little brother but tía Naranja warns her to stay away – she might hurt him! Meanwhile, Disgusto slinks out.
The Boss Lady wants to know
Gabino reports to Alfie that Disgusto’s invernadero isn’t doing well. His whole life is kind of going downhill since he was widowed while Alfie’s fortunes are soaring. The Widow is Whack. Okay, it’s divine justice this time. What isn’t just, slimes Gabino, is for a woman as beautiful as Alfie to be alone. She’s still in mourning, she sniffs.
He’s not breathing!
Back at the Health Center, Blanca helps Carmina get out of bed and step out of the room for a moment. This gives Elisa a few seconds to take a close look at her little brother. She speaks to him so sweetly – “I’m your sister and I’m going to help take care of you and we’ll play together ...”
The nurse comes in to bathe the baby. Elisa tells her the child is asleep. But when the nurse leans down to pick up the infant, she gasps: “He isn’t breathing....”
And Carmina and Blanca return just in time to hear the nurse say: “¡El niño está muerto!” (The child is dead!)
[Um. Excuse me. The baby stops breathing for several seconds and no one tries to resuscitate him? Are you kidding me?]
Carmina goes ape and aims for her favorite scapegoat, Elisa. Blanca is able to keep Carmina from hurting the little girl physically but she can’t stem the tide of venom that pours from her mouth : “What did you do to the baby, Elisa? You’re a murderer!”
Blanca takes the girl outside the room and tries to comfort her while Carmina holds the dead baby in her arms and sobs.
Elisa murmurs tearfully to Blanca: “Yo no hice nada, te lo juro, madrina, yo no hice nada.” (I didn’t do anything, I swear, godmother, I didn’t do. anything).
Now Augie comes back and Blanca tells him what has happened. The doctor calls it crib death (muerte de cuna). His place is with Carmina, she reminds him. Now is when she really needs him.
He finds her in bed, a terrifying zombie stare replacing the manic elation of a few moments ago. And she repeats ad nauseum: Elisa killed my son! When Augusto tells her that’s crazy talk, she doubles her bets: She didn’t trip and fall – Elisa pushed her so she’d lose her baby. “Es un demonio, es una maldita, es un peligro!”
Not everyone is in the Health Center.
Braulio and Lolita are courting. So sweet. And so doomed. They love each other. It’s also no secret that Antonia, Alfie’s maid, has a thing for Braulio. She’ll be there to catch him if (when?) Lolita decides she can’t leave Elisa unprotected.
Disgusto has swallowed Carmina’s lies whole and now vomits them back at Elisa. But Blanca comes to Elisa’s defense: How can he believe those atrocities?
Elisa tells her father she was just trying to escape Orangina’s beating. Disgusto refuses to talk to his daughter.
“Papito...” she begins pleadingly.
“Vete a la casa” he barks.
Outside, Gabino hits on Antonia. She flicks him off like a cootie. Which he is.
In the Health Center, Doctor Blabbermouth advises Augie to hold off on telling Carmina she can’t have another baby. He needs to wait for the right moment. (Like maybe when she's in four-point restraints?) He admits that crib death is something they don’t really understand.
At the cemetery, Elisa places a white rose on her mother’s austere (or should we say "neglected") grave.
Doc Blabbermouth goes home and blabbers to Begoña that Carmina’s baby is dead. Begoña is so OMG impactada that she stops painting her toenails and picks up the Alfie Hotline to spread the word.
The gravedigger prepares the earth to receive another body. Elisa stands apart and watches. Augusto places a cross at the gravesite.
Tal para Cual
Alfie slips quietly into Carmina’s room. “I heard what happened to your son” she says icily. The Widow is Whack.
“Well guess what, Miss Churchypants, I don’t believe in that crap so your words don’t hurt me” retorts the blighted grapefruit.
“Then let me put it in terms you can understand” says the widow Arango: La naturaleza se está encargando de que les Bouvier desaparezcan para siempre. (Nature is seeing to it that the Bouviers disappear forever).
When her father leaves the gravesite, Elisa walks over and places a flower on the newly piled earth. Then she traces in the dirt with her finger: H E R M A N I T O.
Carmina boasts that the Bouviers will keep on keeping on:
“El que haya perdido a un hijo no quiere decir que no puedo tener más.” (Just because I lost a child doesn’t mean I can’t have more.)
“Oh, didn’t they tell you?” asks Alfie with the casual cruelty that only a born sadist can affect. “You can’t get pregnant again.”
"Estás vacía, seca; nunca vas a saber lo que es ser madre." (You are empty, barren; you’ll never know what it is to be a mother.)
Mission accomplished. Alfie leaves.
Carmina crumples. She may feel she has hit bottom. But she hasn’t.
Gabino is trying to help her along though. He rides up to Augusto and after a cursory offer of condolences he says coolly: “The baby you buried wasn’t your son.”
“How the hell do you know?”
“Just ask your wife ... the father was someone very close to you – but you’ll never be able to accuse him of anything. And one more thing – if you say we talked, I’ll deny it.”
Night falls in La Ermita
Antonia douses herself with perfume and ambushes Braulio on his way home, inviting him for coffee. He turns her down politely – it would get him in trouble now that Lolita has agreed to marry him!
Antonia is left alone. Her eyes brim with tears
Augusto returns to the Health Center and finds Carmina’s bed empty. No one knows where she is. She certainly hasn’t been discharged.
Elisa comes home to Lolita – at this point, Lolita IS Elisa’s home -- and brings her up to date on the latest tragedy (the baby is dead), atrocity (Tía Meana says she murdered the baby and pushed her into the pool) and petty cruelty (the baby’s grave is far removed from her mother’s. Why? Her mother could have taken care of him.)
Crazy, stricken Carmina staggers down the street, holding onto buildings to keep her balance.
Disgusto rides on horseback searching those same streets for crazy Car.
Paloma walks along with her basket of pan dulce. Gabino bumps into her, stares at her creepily, and tells her she looks just like her mother, Remedios. Only Remedios wasn’t as cute. Paloma is surprised that he knew her mother. Did he know her father? No, says Gabino. He left town. “You mean he’s not dead?” “He might be around” smirks Gabino. “You never know. He might be watching you.”
Then Gabino spots Antonia sitting alone and heads over to her.
BFFs Alfie and Begoña stroll and Alfie brags about drawing blood from an orange. She won’t tolerate any deviance from her idea of morality. Begoña’s kind of worried that Doc Blabbermouth will find out she was Alfie’s source. If that happens, says the pillar of virtue, just deny it. Asunto arreglado.
Now Begoña catches sight of Alfie’s servant, Antonia, sitting in public. At night. With a man. What a scandal! Alfie denies it. Hah! The woman may look like Antonia, but she’s clearly someone else. Asunto arreglado.
Gabino is working pretty hard to capture non-Antonia’s interest. Why is she stuck on Braulio? She should aim higher. He, Gabino, is the boss at the procesadora. And yes, he IS the marrying kind!
Disgusto gives up the search and comes home only to find Carmina in bed. She left the hospital to forget what happened, she says.
Does she mean forget what happened with the baby? Or what happened before when she got involved with him so he’d marry her? Because Gabino Mendoza told him the baby wasn’t his.
Avances: Augusto tells Carmina he knows Rosendo fathered the baby. Carmina points a rifle at Gabino
Labels: abismo
I'm also mystified by the medical scenes. How is it nobody got a crash cart? Shouldn't they have been moving heaven and earth to save the baby?
No mystery about how Elisa's life has just fallen into the ninth circle of hell. Between the Wicked Stepmother and the Black Widow this girl will be lucky if she can ever learn to love anyone.
And if it's hubris to name a child for a Roman emperor, how about the thousands of little boys named "Jesus"? Enquiring minds want to know.
"Disgusto finally gets around to visiting his juiced orange" and " Alfie with the casual cruelty that only a born sadist can affect." are my favorites so far. We can only hope that these two Gorgons will take each other out.
Augusto is absolutely unworthy of that name. He is one of the weakest men I've ever seen in these programs (which I have been watching since 1993). And Dr Blabbermouth deserves that title.
Gabino's creepiness reaches a new low every episode that is not alleviated by his telling Ughgusto about the tragic baby's paternity. I wish him a horrible end.
So the avances makes it look like Disgusto is finally able to connect a couple of dots? As if people haven't made it obvious already! Do we dare hope he finally gets Carmina's number at least? Do we dare hope he treats his daughter with the love she deserves and so desperately needs growing up? His horrible manhandling and screaming rejection of his daughter in the hospital left me with no hope.
I'm sure if idiota Black Widow ever gets wind that Carmina's baby was Rosendo's she'll just be convinced that both sisters were doing Rosendo.
Audrey
.." two funerals and a wedding…" Good one! LOL
UA - I agree about lack of crash cart, etc. but they don't exist in telenovelaland, especially when one is not in a big city hospital.
Oooooh,,, we've had our obligatory (be telenovela rules) hospital scene. Check that one off the list.
Bless its soul, the poor baby probably died from internal injuries due to The Orange One's belly flop into the empty pool, instead of SIDS. Yet nobody come up with that as a possible cause of death? Gah….
Definitely no HIPPAA laws exist in La Ermita; only in the Catholic confessional.
Ooooooh, a mystery --- Paloma's father might still be alive, and around ... who could it be?!? Gabino? Rosendo? (my vote is for Rosendo, then she can inherit the pepper plant.
Wahhhh, I thought that I was wrong and the little melon survived, but NOOOOO! He had to die in the stupidest hospital in Mexico. What an emotional roller coaster.
"Ugli frui", hee, I love the way you continue the ugly fruit theme. Just go right ahead and take it to the top, I like your style.
I think my favorite line was "Braulio and Lolita are courting. So sweet. And so doomed." And you are so right. Poor Lolita deserves much good, but I fear she will sacrifice Braulio to take care of Elisa. Sniff.
I just knew Carmeany would blame Elisa for what happened to her. How can everyone not see how completely deranged she has become? Speaking of deranged, The Widow is Whack, yep she sure is. Fina is also getting the crazy bug-out eyes syndrome.
Disgusto...patooey. He should have offed himself in episode #6. The mess he would have made then is nothing compared to the epic mess he is making now.
Doris, I'm thinking that Paloma is Gabino's kid. At least the hints point that way, but it would be divine justice if yet another one of Rosendo's kids pops up. Hey Alfonsina, you know that kid Gael that you hate so much? Damian gets to share an inheritance with him. Oh, and the witch's daughter Paloma? Yep, her too. And why don't you ever visit the grave of his other baby? Too busy running around insulting Damian's half-siblings and protruding your eyes at those you hate while keeping your forehead frozen?
Anyhoo, thanks Novela Maven. I always look forward to starting my weekend with one of your masterpieces. Also, it makes me tea last longer as I dare not drink while reading, heh.
"Ugli-fruit, juiced orange,
she flicks him off like a cootie. Which he is.
Doctor Blabbermouth"
How can I choose just one? So many delicious zingers.
Doris, I'm going with Sylvia..I think Gabino is Paloma's father. But if he can weasel his way into Alfie's frigid bed, great. They deserve each other.
Thanks NovelaMaven. Always look forward to your recaps and your proverbs. Such a treat.
One of my favorites--"We are spared the details of the scooping up and removal of the ugli fruit."
Poor little Elisa. How much more rejection and unfair blaming & shaming can she take. Up til now I thought Daniela Castro's treatment of her daughter in Mi Pecado was the greatest burden I ever saw a child have to bear. But that was nothing next to this. Speaking of Daniela Castro, as much as I hated her one note portrayal in MP I am loving her comic turn on Familia.
Carlos, Good luck to Baylor today. And as for you JudyB we are mortal enemies -- just for today. I will be your fan again tomorrow. Here I am in orange & blue (right down to orange socks) awaiting game time tonight. Only problem is ... we have a granddaughter with a solo in a concert starting at exactly game time tonight -- and me without a smartphone!
Güera
I love Yiddish proverbs and the one you chose for your title is quite applicable. How about these:
- a child's tear rends the heavens
- after 9 months the secret comes out
And for the parrots/doves
-a bird is known by his feathers
That one works for Camila's hair in El Tal too.
Guera - how wonderful your granddaughter got a solo! Singing? Playing an instument? You may be wearing orange and blue buttons, but they are going to be bursting for that nieta tonight!
Thanks again, NM.
Rosemary la Otra
At the risk of being considered hyperbolic, I must now gush about the greatness of this recap. On the heels of Sylvia's wonderful essay of yesterday, really, I feel simply so lucky to have this to read with morning coffee. You guys have taken the act of recapitulation to new, snidely witty heights.
My favs of the day:
"(Sons of Rosendo, wherever you are! Game on!)"
NM, I echo your shout-out for a naked mud wrestling contest between Gael, Damian and Gabino in their adult guises. Now that prospect should amuse even the most jaded TN watcher!
"Elisa wants to see her little brother but Disgusto dismisses her coldly, sending her home with Lolita."
Why is Disgusto cold to her? Why? The guy is such an unmitigated creep and a$$hat. Really. I want to put him in an Iron Maiden and sit on it. I KNEW there was a reason I gained those last 10 pounds!
"The fact that she’s unconscious doesn’t stop her from running her mouth: It’s Elisa’s fault... Estefanía was terrible ... It’s my son – don’t take him from me, Rosendo ... Don’t do anything to him, Rosendo ... he’s yours, Rosendo ... he’s your son. Say what?"
Carmina, hoist with your own petard, are you? Sigh and smile. It's moments like this that I find telenovelas to be uniquely satisfying.
"The Widow is Whack (thus blithely stealing the idea, if not the actual words, from Sylvia. Meh. So sue me."
The Capn's fertile brain has inspired much larceny. I am proud to have stolen many a fine idea from Sylvia.
Thank you, Maven, for giving me such fun reading over Saturday brunch. I needed a good laugh and your 'nasty and new' take on Abismo was just perfect, a bit like the habanero sauce on my scrambled eggs.
EJ
I missed a few chunks here and there last night, but I'm almost glad I did. I couldn't have taken Horn-rimmed's abuse of Elisa again. But I did catch his accusations at the end. Maybe the few brain cells he possesses are firing finally.
Gabino--so has to be Pal's dear old dad. Grandma seems to hate the guy, so that would make sense then. He may be creepy, but right now he seems to be more a father of the year candidate than Disgusto. I'm still casting my vote for Gael and Damian to turn out to be brothers. That Rosendo sure got around...but then, The Widow is Whack. Who blames him.
"NM, I echo your shout-out for a naked mud wrestling contest between Gael, Damian and Gabino in their adult guises. Now that prospect should amuse even the most jaded TN watcher!"
I call dibbs on the towel concession.
Güera..I'm thrilled for you and your granddaughter. If you can record the game, you can enjoy it later without anxiety if you win. And if you lose, you can move on immediately.
And so right...mortal enemies tonight, best of pals tomorrow. I'll even let you help me and Daisynjay with the toweling off.
Alfie is hateful! Plus I am concerned to see so much hatred shooting from her eyes when nary a muscle moves in her face.
Does she have a friend named Botox?
I want Paloma to be able to date Gael--so I hope her daddy is not Rosendo.
EJ
EJ
and yes, this was a tough tough episode to recap with all the abuse toward Elisa going on
Between the Wicked Stepmother and the Black Widow
absolutely UA!!
more later ...
"NM, I echo your shout-out for a naked mud wrestling contest between Gael, Damian and Gabino in their adult guises. Now that prospect should amuse even the most jaded TN watcher!"
My dear EJ, I read my recap again thinking perhaps I had inadvertently alluded to naked mud wrestling and forgotten all about it (I have, after all, been known to lose my car in parking lots or forget what I was looking for in the kitchen.
But forgetting I had called for naked mud wrestling? Not impossible, mind you, but less likely.)
You are not echoing anyone, EJ! The clarion call is your very own -- though I see that others have indeed begun to echo it! Bravo!
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Because Elisa is Estafania's child and Disgusto needs to punish Estefania. Since she's no longer around, Elisa will have to do.
I think Rosie is Gael's dad (why else would he be paying child support to Lupe) but I don't think he is Paloma's dad (that would be Gabino) b/c I think Gael/Paloma are endgame (they are swimming together in the credits).
Estefania's dirt pit was shameful. But I betcha Rosie has the best tombstone in the cemetary.
I need for Begona to be gone'ya and take Doctorcito with her. Carmeana hadn't even had a hospital bathroom break before the whole town knew she couldn't have anymore kids.
I think the best thing for Elisa at this point would be to send her away but we see her character crying in the credits so it's at least 8-10 more years of emotional/physical abuse for her.
If not, we'll just hose him down and he can clean himself up.
I wish Gabino would worm his way into the widow's bed. The hot and cold nasties deserve one another. Based on Ramona's hints, he is Paloma's most likely daddy prospect.
Pobre de Elisa. She has so many cruel adults pouring poison on her, it's a wonder she's still able to speak or move. Her transition to a young woman will be interesting to see.
La Paloma
Speaking of being "hoist by one's own petard"! Hahahaha!
Yes, I did make a very small cognitive leap from your..."Sons of Rosendo..." rallying call to a naked mud wrestling contest with Zepeda, Tacher and Gabino.
One thousand pardons, cara Maven, for the misattribution. I think my longing for the child abuse to end led me to project the fantasy mud wrestling contest.
What? Did I hear you ask Daisynjay for a towel?
Grins,
EJ
We get to see Lucio punch out Gabino’s lights. And we hear the old man tell him that sooner or later someone younger will come along and take HIS place at the procesadora, someone with more rights to that place than he has (Sons of Rosendo, wherever you are! Game on!)
I felt the same way when Lucio told Gabion that line! i was like ... Listen in, young Arango(s)!!
Disgusto… PRRRR FECT!!
Augusto is the father of a healthy son… I heard that and I was like WTH!!!! the woman falls right face first TOTALLY HORIZONTAL 10+ feet down into an empty pool and the baby is PERFECTLY FINE??!! DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT??
Carmina goes ape and aims for her favorite scapegoat, Elisa.
Begoña is so OMG impactada that she stops painting her toenails and picks up the Alfie Hotline to spread the word.
Elisa walks over and places a flower on the newly piled earth. Then she traces in the dirt with her finger: H E R M A N I T O. … that was my ‘I am going to cry!... ‘ moment of the night… so subtle but oh moving!
Well, make that too… no. 2 was Elisa saying to Lolita: Her mother could have taken care of him.
Gabino is working pretty hard to capture non-Antonia’s interest. LOL good one!
I have been asking myself the same... with the Alfie genes, Damian will come back to town with a lot of resentment, hatred and emotional baggage of not having been able to grow near his family and friends...
and Elisa... well, she will have grown surrounded by Disgusto, the Wicked Stepmother and the Black widow...
nope, not a chance these two will be able to make a healthy family together... not even with Lolita, Padre Lupe and Lucio/Blanca around.
We can only hope that these two Gorgons will take each other out.
great wish! let me join in that one!
'm sure if idiota Black Widow ever gets wind that Carmina's baby was Rosendo's she'll just be convinced that both sisters were doing Rosendo.
I totally agree, she will blame it on the Bouvier blood line... anyone! absolutely anyone's fault BUT NOT HERS!! She is PERFECT!! SAITNLY!!
That Rosendo sure got around...but then, The Widow is Whack. Who blames him.
That's what I say!! who would want to wake up to that.. come home to that... answer the phone to that... etc etc...
think Rosie is Gael's dad (why else would he be paying child support to Lupe) but I don't think he is Paloma's dad (that would be Gabino) b/c I think Gael/Paloma are endgame (they are swimming together in the credits).
"I was just playing with my doll when Tia came in and screamed at me. I ran away but she chased me. She fell into the pool that had been emptied at her request and landed on her (insert fruit of choice), when my dad got to the hospital he kissed Tia, he kissed her forehead and invisible lips that blend into her skintone, but he didn't kiss me, I couldn't look at the baby, and when I did, he died, and Tia blamed me so much that even mi Papito believed I was hoisted by my own petard, while Tia was reenacting The Exorcist Papa was burying mi hermanito and I visited my mama's unadorned, uncared for grave which was so far from the baby's, and when I tried to write Hermanito on the baby's grave it was so little I couldn't write the final "to", my dad left without me and Tia came home a day early. I am so ready to move beyond all this to the days of floating in the celota and wearing my belt as high as I please. It's been an awful day. Lolita says some days are like that... even in Fresno.
NM--We, the few, the stalwart, the long-suffering, do miss you and the rest over at El Tal. I do stop in here to read recaps and comments and see what you all are up to. Thanks to all for your dedication.
Anita
I guess we still have one more episode with the children. I also thought the Hermanito scene was quite touching.
Carmina looked possessed laying on her bed at the hospital so Alfonsina managing to be frikier than her in their scene was impressive.
There's a scene they didn't use from the original, when little Elisa/Julia is taken to church by her godmother and she chooses to sit in the back. When father Lupe/Refugio finishes giving communion to all presents he motions to the girl to go to him, then she tells him she can't commulgate because she hasn't confessed in a while and he touches the top of her head and tells her she is absolved of any sin, then gives her the host and she goes to sit and pray while the godmother looks at the father touched by his gesture and he nods to her.
Jarocha
Jarocha
Anita - I've been meaning to mention how much I liked your picture with Vivi! Sounds like you had a good time. Did you like Casa de mi Padre?
Judy B, Emilia and Mike - It was fun to hear of your get-together too. Of course the waiter thought Emilia was adorable just walking her to the bathroom! That's how we all feel. With or without our beanies on.
Sounds like we've had some good March Madness wins in Carayland!
(I copied this over from LQNPA.)
I averred commenting on my own picture--I don't mind someone taking pictures of me, I just hate having to look at them later.
It was so funny because Vivi asked a passing group of girls to take our picture. One of them insisted on being in the picture with us...so we had to take a couple more. It was a memorable evening, to be sure.
Vivi is just as vivacious as her name implies.
La Casa de mi Padre had every old Mexican movie and tn cliche they could fit in. Instead of a pregnant female tumbling down the stairs, though, we had Gael Garcia Bernal doing the oopsie doo. I'm glad I was IN on all the tn jokes (we got a Bingo square with kissing in the water).
I'm glad we went to see it, more for the company than the movie--I'd rather have seen Labios Rojos (Silvia Navarro and Jorge Salinas). We both high tailed it for home in time to catch LQNPA.
Anita
Jarocha- Thanks for highlighting that one scene that was in the original. Sounds like they spent 3-4 weeks, maybe more, on the kids in the original. More horrors for the kids, but probably also some tender moments like the one you mention.
They really fooled us with the baby. I was sure everything was going to be alright when they said the baby was ok and showed him. But alas, more blame and horrors for little Elisa. Many thanks NovelaMaven for detailing it for us.
btw about Casa de mi Padre... ITA with Anita's review, except i could have really done without the graphic wedding scene...
and also without El Puma's cameo appearance... that was freaky.
It was also sad to watch since we all know that Pedro Armendariz Jr passed... so when he was on screen my eyes got watery... I remember a lot of his recent novela characters, even Mr Thomas (?) in Destilando Amor
When the baby survived and the doc said he was perfectly fine, i was about to post a HUGE 'WTH' post about that... the woman falls 10 feet to do a horizontal face down with belly down, looking totally flat and the baby was FINE???
poor Elisa... that scene at the cemetery with the neglected Estefania grave and then the baby's grave was sooo moving.
Marta - I think Black Widow will keep Gabino around until Damian returns to take over the procesadora. Who knows maybe by then they will also be Friends With Benefits.
I think Gabino will keep the house a secret. He told her it was a rental and not to worry about it. We can call it his Hot Nasty Blue House.
Guys - I highly recommend the Hunger Game movie if you've read the book. I literally had goosebumps through most of it.
With a lot of time to think on this trip, I have come to the conclusion that "Abismo de Pasion" is about odio and not amor. I have never seen such a bunch of women so full of hate. It is really strange that Rosendo had fallen for two women exactly the same.
I am never going to forgive Disgusto for not putting up a decent headstone for his wife. Shame on him.
If Elisa has the to power make people die by just looking at them, I think she should cultivate that power. From the looks of things, she could put it good use.
Rosemary
I had to laugh at the fall on the pool here. That was a crazy accident.
Marta: That's one of the scenes I remembe the most from this part for some reason. Along with Pablo leaving, the funerals and the kids turning into adults.
Jarocha
Rosemary, I was really struck by what you said:
"I have come to the conclusion that "Abismo de Pasion" is about odio and not amor."
Wow. I hadn't thought about the title very much -- well I thought about the "pit" part but not so much the "passion". As you know, "passion", in the religious sense, means suffering. It doesn't refer at all to romantic love. And there sure is a lot of suffering going on here ...
Alfonsina was reminding me of someone and I couldn't quite put my finger on who ... and then it hit me -- She's an eyebrow sweep away from Bernarda in Triunfo del amor -- the hypocrite who justifies her malice as divine will.
About Braulio and Lolita --
I just remembered that Braulio was the worker who was nearly killed because Gabino sent him out on the road in an unsafe truck (even after Lucio warned against it.) No wonder Braulio wants to get out of Dodge now that there are no voices of reason left at the Procesadora.
I just loved "Elisa's Terrible, Horrible, No Good Very Bad Day".
Will you be doing the illustrations as well?
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Anita, It's good that you got out of Fresno for a while -- I've heard that the air there does funny things to people's brains:) You and Vivi sure look like you were having a blast.
I'm also kind of jealous of those of you who got to see "Casa de mi padre". I'll have to wait for the DVD, I guess.
Novela Maven, I had forgotten that Braulio was the one who was almost killed. I think his relationship with Lolita is kind of tragic. He seems like a nice guy. Who can blame him for wanting to leave and for wanting his betrothed/wife to go with him? I just don't see how he and Lolita will resolve this because she will likely sacrifice matrimony to stay with Elisa.
R la O, I enjoyed your story. Wow, you're an impressive lady, haiku, storytelling...I'm with NM, do you do illustrations and paintings too?
Reprehensible behavior all the way around. Much of it too heinous to be forgvien. Thank God for Lolita.
Diana
Hey guys, I was wondering --
We know (or at least we think we know) that Rosendo was Gael's father. Do we have any idea who his mother was? Poor kid. First he is fake orphaned and then orphaned for real.
When he learns the truth, he'll be filled with resentment for the lies and the missed opportunity to be close to his father. And he'll have to learn to live with his grief all over again.
I worry about Mark Tacher in this role as the adult Gael. He is such a good actor (a much more accomplished actor than Zepeda, certainly) but I have the feeling that he's not so great at playing second fiddle.
As for Angelique Boyer as Elisa, I guess we'll have to see how it goes. (I wish they had chosen to bring back Ludwika Paleta as the adult Elisa. In real life, she might be a little old for the role -- but then so are Tacher and Zepeda as the adult Gael and Damián. But I suppose AB is seen as money in the bank these days.)
A photo is more like a fleeting and unexpected glimpse of your reflection in a store window -- for just an instant, you see yourself "objectively". Then usually the brain fine-tunes the image and we see what we expect to see.
I wonder what our Wicked Widow and Evil Stepmother see when they gaze in their mirrors ...
"I wish they had chosen to bring back Ludwika Paleta as the adult Elisa. "
What an interesting idea. One of the points they made in the first version was that it was so painful to the Augusto character to even look at his daughter because she looked so much like her mother that he couldn't stand it.
I remember how in Por Un Beso they did this, having Natalia Esperón not only playing the leading character but her mother in the backstory. I can't remember if that's the last time Televisa has done it, but it certainly was just one of many times.
Jarocha
In the disaster that was "Aurora", Telemundo cast Eugenio Siller in this dual kind of role. The only problem was that after the 20 year time leap,the character's father was inconveniently alive so they needed another actor to play him at 40-something. They chose Jorge Luis Pila, a wonderful and attractive actor who was nevertheless completely unbelievable as Siller 20 years older.
Of course, that was the least of the problems with "Aurora" ...
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I loved the new photo! You both look great. Blue is definitely a good color for each of you.
JudyB and RlaO:
I so relate to the shock of seeing myself in photos. Most of the time I think, "That middle-aged broad reminds me of somebody..." until I shake my head and realize it is me.
RlaO: I LOVED your take on the story from little Elisa's perspective.
NM: I think I would have liked to Ludwika in a double-role. She is fabulous looking and I think she can act. I am not a fan of ABoyer, so I hope she proves me wrong and makes Elisa very sympathetic as an adult.
Jarocha, thanks for your reflections on the earlier version of Abismo. Opinion requested...Does the abyss referred to in the title refer to the cenote in the opening credits? They can be quite deep, I know, and the cave systems between them sometimes run for miles. All that water flowing underground, mysteriously moving from place to place...it just seemed like that might be to what the title referred. I am simply fascinated by them. Now Blue Lass, those are some verdant pools!
EJ
Elna June: Yes, Abismo refers to the cenotes. I've swam in a couple, it's an interesting experience.
My campus has a little one we are not allowed to go in. It's very small and circular, not as pretty as the ones in Yucatán . At night it looks like a bottomless pit, kinda scary.
Jarocha
I, too, got to swim in a couple of cenotes on a trip to the Yucatan with an archaeologist friend. Wow! I was truly amazed by the experience. It felt otherworldly.
Do they restrict access to the cenote at your school because of safety reasons?
Great to hear from you and I am glad you are OK after the earthquakes.
Elna June
"Aurora" followed the Spanish-language production of "El clon" (which I happened to like a lot although lots of folks felt it fell short of the Brazilian original).
It seemed like there was an audience receptive to a new genre of sci-fi/fantasy novela and the premise of "Aurora" was exciting -- bringing back the cryogenically-preserved ice princess and fitting her into the world 20 years later.
It may not have been Sara Maldonado's finest hour (I've liked her in other things though) but it was the writers who really dropped the ball. That sounds familiar, huh?
>The story made no sense -- and of course I use the word "sense" very loosely.
>No one had done any homework about the "science" these people were engaged in.
>The production looked ridiculously cheap.
***Talismaniacs -- The mad scientist who wanted to defy death by freeze-drying the rich was nada más y nada menos que the actor playing Meester Renato. jejeje.
NovelaMaven: I think Aurora was a remake of a Corean novela right? It sounded interesting. I've only ever liked Sara Maldonado in Capadocia but the directing in that series is superb so it's hard to to wrong there.
I couldn't finish watching Telemundo's El Clon, I agree that I prefered the Brazilian version although I liked their Said.
Jarocha
(From what I just read online, the Korean story was only 16 episodes long -- probably just about right for this sci-fi version of "Sleeping Beauty". If Telemundo had produced it as a mini-novela, they might have had something quite charming.)
I'm not familiar with "Capadocia" but I'll have to keep an eye out for it.
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