Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Amor Bravío #115 (Uni 110) Tue 1/29/13 Champagne, Chocolate, and Chiapas, Oh my! Oh yeah……Yago’s still a jerk.
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Nanette
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Iago is living up to my name for him, that much is certain. He probably will be stupid enough to fall in with Hissadora when she slithers her way into the ranch.
Wonder whether Bratgirl will try to fall in with Hissadora, but that would show her stupidity. Hissadora would have her for a snack.
We knew this secret was going to be exposed and it may actually be better for Pablo that it happened this way. At least he won't have any illusions about Iago anymore.
I may as well be the first to say it: The wedding night was censored. Damn those Victorians.
Cam and Dan - adorable as always, even when on backburner (though the shot of Cam with chocolate fingers was weird. And that massage she was giving Dan in the restaurant did not look helpful).
UA - The censoring doesn't seem that extensive to me. I've had to watch some eppys on Youtube (becasue stupid DishNetwork won't let something tape while someone's watching the TV...) and they don't seem to be censoring anything important. The only annoying thing is that the cropping makes the music choppy. If they're going to edit it down, they should redo the background music so that it's not ridiculous.
Illy's a nut. She'd better not fake a pregnancy bc this TN has been good at not relying on cliches like that, so I'd hate to see a huge one pop up. If she tells Nat that She and Rudo were only pretending and he slept with her anyway, would that nip the budding Nat/Rudo pairing in the bud permanently?
Now that Rocio's actually all alone and hit bottom (please tell me there's no further she could go), are we finally seeing a spark of reflection and repentance?
I hadn't even noticed Yago kept saying my parents-nice detail! Ugh! He's such a skunk!
Paquita, like you I was hoping to see some real dancing with Dan and Cam at the boda, a la DWTS. Instead, we got what seemed to me a much too long, exceptionally boring excuse for a dance, the sort of thing I would have expected had one of them not known how to dance or had a broken leg. Yawn.
My favorite scene last night: the one between Cayetano and Pablo.
I'm glad that Cam and Dan have so far had a stress free and enjoyable honeymoon. Yay! I love that he got stars in their room, like the stars he once decorated the cabin with, and a yummy chocolate fountain with fruit and other goodies. Yum! And if Cam wants to lick chocolate off of Dan, more power to her. It's her honeymoon and she can do whatever she wants. :)
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...I was proud of Cayetano for not telling Pablo about his paternity or disowning him (which was always a stupid, coldhearted plan). You would have to be heartless to look into those earnest, loving blue eyes, and purposely break his heart. But of course Yago was perfectly capable of doing this-- JERK! I think Mariano is right that Pablo will respect Caye even more now that he knows he didn't let this revelation affect his relationship with Pablo.
Dio and Abe have made contact and new misery awaits our unsuspecting happy couple. Boo!
As for the "mis padres" thing, that's just the way people talk. You hardly ever hear a sibling say to another "our/nuestro" parents. I do agree that when Yago said it, it had a particularly snotty ring to it. In general, it's just a normal speech pattern, but I don't know what the reason is.
My brother and I will say "my mom" etc. but usually only when we're trying to point out that the other hasn't called our parents in a while, or when we're teasing each other about being a favorite child. We're from an English speaking country in South America, but I was raised here, so maybe it is a Spanish/foreign language thing?
I'm glad our couple had their wedding and honeymoon and really dread the bomb that is about to drop. UA had predicted this earlier but Abe is seemingly becoming more and more creepy. Why would he still hate Dan? The only reason that comes to mind is that his sister loves him and that sounds way too much like the tongueless guy in jail. EEWWWWW!
Though I am sympathetic to Nat's situation, her desire to want to make Dio good when she herself was trying to find something on him is so disturbing. If only she could see him when he's threatening - physically or verbally - her mother, she would see him for who is truly is.
Paquita, always a pleasure to read your recaps. I mentioned a couple of TNs ago about the mi madre and mi padre thing they always say instead of nuestro when they talk to their siblings. And as many of you said, it's just how they talk, not trying to exclude the other siblings. It's still odd to me to talk that way, but oh well.
So Isadora and Rocio are not only staying in the same hotel, but on the same floor. That will be interesting.
Dion is ready for Camila to jump into his arms when she gets the news. He really is delusional.
Is Rodolfo's new name Rodolfo sigh! now? lol
Tu galan es mi galan tambien. I hope BratGirl does not fake a pregnancy, or even worse, is actually pregnant.
Carolina - Thanks for the link to CdlF's tango. For some reason, I'd never thought of him with the correct name pronunciation as in Amanpour, but rather plain old English Christian.
I loved the honeymoon outfits, the white shorts/capris with pastel shirts.
Thank you, Cayetano, for realizing your love. Damn you, Yago, for not. Yes, Pablo needed to know eventually, but it was not Yago's to reveal.
I noticed all through CME that both Renata and Roberta would refer to Fina as "mi mama" when speaking with each other.
Cathyx - ITA about deluded Dio. He's been relatively smart about things but to think Cam wants any part of him is so crazy. Isa made the right call when she told him, if you wanted Cam you blew it when you married her mother. His crazy is both comical and scary as he must truly live in some alternative universe.
Well Cayetano has proven that he's a good dad who loves his sons, which means he's really gong to feel like crap when Hissa takes over. Rocio will start to look pretty good here.
I would count myself as a feminist, but I have to say I really love how the guys all stand up from a table when a woman approaches. It's just so darned gentlemanly. Love it! Way better than anything over on Downton Abbey. And now that Daniel is married I can turn my attention to Rodolfo who was looking mighty fine in his wedding charro suit. Yowza!
Kelly
I also think that Miriam is Abe's last blood relative. Their parents were dead before the story began and there are no other siblings. Probably no cousins or not many if either of their parents was an only child. This is probably very difficult emotionally in a culture that is a very small minority where they're from.
Not that this excuses his actions.
He's a decent-looking man, educated, and not in the poorhouse. Where is his novia?
As for El Diablo's incestuous intentions toward Camila, this is an unfortunate typecasting issue for Cesar Evora. The two previous villains with this issue that I know of (see our past Dirty Dozen on this one) are actually creepier than El Diablo.
Fav line: “Whew, I have to take a break to cool off after this scene! Yowza! “
I think Caye should go further about blood not being necessary to be family and that Iago a-hole to the curb.
Sounds like Abe thought Dan was dead?
When talking about the parents with my brother and/or sister we always said either “Mother and Dad” or our parents. It seems odd to me to say “my parents” when I’m talking to them. But that may be just us. Or it may be a Midwest thing. ☺
Which therefore does not explain his recent behavior or his concealment of Miriam being alive.
It's going to be interesting to see how this plays. It kills me that Abe could be this blind. It's possible that he is also mental, which is seriously dangerous in a cop. I wonder how he managed to not be on duty... or was he terminated from duty for some reason?
Dionisio is seriously delusional as to his own charms.
Iago ... psshhhh!
New Girl is about to reenter the picture ... oh, noooooo! Hopefully she'll leave Pablo alone, since he's already married, and set her sights (careful, NG) on Iago - let's see how she handles Bratgirl.
Tell me, how did Dan get to marry Cami? Did he ever get anything in writing to prove Miriam dead? Or did he declare her dead because no body could be found? Isn't there a long waiting period? I may have missed that part.
Ann-NYC
His call to Dio was not complicit; he was gathering information about the sudden appearance of people from Mexico inquiring about Dan’s case; whom he thought dead as of last night. He wasn’t jumping for joy when Dio requested complete deniability of them talking; he was puzzled and doubting.
Before we put Abe in the same column as Leoncio; I think he deserves a chance to be heard.
Unless he deliberately didn't try, which we don't know. I don't recall hearing Dante say anything about Abe attempting to contact him in his absence; surely someone in his office would have taken a call or two.
I agree that Abe didn't think this plan through well enough before putting it in motion. He had to have been playing it by ear for a while, at least until an extended period of time passed before anyone expressed interest in Daniel's legal affairs.
It's virtually a sure thing that El Diablo has no current police record under the name Dionicio Ferrer or he could not have gotten into Chile at the time of Daniel's escape. Abe has not been in a position to investigate him in the last x amount of time. This makes him a patsy for whatever El Diablo is planning now.
He is also paranoid, which can work both ways.
Putting Dan in prison without a trial was unjust; but in his mind he was protecting his sister from a man towards whom he had lukewarm feelings and was guilty based on all the circumstantial evidence. He committed an injustice but he wasn’t evil in doing so.
Dan is my favorite character; I feel his pain and all the injustice-so naturally, I abhor Abe. However, I can see and understand why he did what he did and in his mind thought he was doing the right thing by his sister. His conversation with Dio hinted at him trying to make amends ….
What Abe did to Dan was just rotten. I am looking forward to Dan finally being able to confront him face to face about this. I'm saving my final judgment on Abe based on how he reacts.
Ann-NYC
The only part I don’t understand is why Abe would have told Dan that Miriam was dead if she isn’t.
Sorry Cathyx, I think I misunderstood were Karen and UA were going with their earlier posts.
At first I thought Miriam woke up and Abe fudged the truth about how Dan got locked up and killed and wisked her away while she was still weak to keep her from discovering the truth. Then I thought maybe she told him about the asassin, and he realized they went away for safety, thinking the killer would try again since Dan was dead and Miriam and the baby would have inherited the ranch after him.
He's also good at insults, but stupid Gussie is the main target of those.
Abe told Daniel that Miriam was dead because he wanted him to suffer. He was determined to keep him in prison and away from Miriam; the only way to do that was to let him believe that Miriam -- the only witness to the attempt on her own life -- was dead.
My theory about his possible obsession is based on Abe's still being single at his age and the fact that Miriam was no bimbo at the time of her marriage. She was old enough and smart enough to spot a decent man. Abe may also be guilty of some religious bigotry, which is common enough among Orthodox Jews even against Conservative and Reform ones. They also typically do not recognize conversions.
There is potential to go down that road as well.
HellaShelle, your last paragraph may also be right.
At first I thought Miriam woke up and Abe fudged the truth about how Dan got locked up and killed and whisked her away while she was still weak to keep her from discovering the truth. Then I thought maybe she told him about the assassin, and he realized Dan was telling the truth so they went away for safety, thinking the killer would try again since Dan was dead and Miriam and the baby would have inherited the ranch after him. Did Dan mention his theory to Abe/Chilean police that the assassin might have been sent after because he had just inherited the MQ?
UA - I feel like I'm still missing something. I can get on board with the religious bigotry angle, but why does Abe's not being married and her being smart set off incest alarms? Sorry I just feel like I"ve missed something obvious or something.
What I don’t understand is why a presumably intelligent man would lie about something that is so easily verifiable. A little kid might tell a whopper out of spite to hurt someone’s feelings, but most adults aren’t going to do that because they know in the end they will just look stupid. Dan did have other sources of information who would surely have learned that Miriam was alive if he had stayed in prison. And if Abe thought Dan was guilty, it seems to me he would NOT want him to know she had died. He would want him to think she was still alive and therefore, his murder attempt had failed and that she would be around to testify against him. That would inflict more distress on a guilty person. Telling Dan that she was dead would inflect distress only if Dan were innocent.
I do think that Abe has acted out of normal, healthy, brotherly love for his sister and an unfair misjudgment of Dan. Until I see evidence of anything more, that is all I am willing to ascribe to him.
I'm going to jump right in the middle of this controversy over whether or not Abe is an evil person or not. Based on his actions so far, I vote yes. He's the type cop that gives all cops a bad name. A cop should be the last person to lock someone up based on circumstancial evidence. He compounded the injustice by lying to Dan that Miriam was dead. Now he's scheeming with Dio. If he felt he hadn't done anything wrong why did he go underground? If his intentions turns out to be anything but evil I'll be very surprised. In the meantime, until the facts to come out I'm denying him the same benefit of the doubt that he denied Dan.
At the time of the wedding he had no good reason to believe that Daniel married Miriam for her inheritance. He was obsessed with this idea later and for some time before the actual attack in the apartment, which was three years after the wedding. Daniel went broke during his unemployment because of his mother's medical expenses. That's a reason anyone should be able to understand. Abe wasn't reasonable about this.
Finally, most telenovelas have parallel situations in them for relationship comparisons. Abe/Miriam/baby girl (if Daniel's dream is accurate) vs. Leoncerdo/Piedad/Luzma. Leoncerdo murdered Piedad's fiance and kept Piedad and Luzma as virtual prisoners since. Abe actually put Daniel in the slammer and lied about Miriam dying to keep him there. If Daniel has enough time to think about Dante's report about an inability to find a grave, he's going to be asking himself a lot of questions.
I'm only halfway through the comments, so apologies if this sounds repetitious.
Rodolfo is beginning to make my temperature rise, too. He was so sweet with Nati. (I agree, why can't she do something more sophisticated with her hair--even a headband would do to get it out of her face. Maybe she's supposed to look juvenile. Even Ana looks older and more mature.)
I was sure we were going to have a Hissydora-free episode. Gussy's Dios couldn't wait to hurry on down to TOHIA to share his giggly news with the live-vibora.
The honeymoon [some amplification to a scene I enjoyed]. When Dan tells Camila to trust him he says he's so stubborn and hard-headed (tuerco) that when he sets his mind to something he accomplishes it (speaking of putting Dio & Hissssy in jail), he uses Camila as an example and he mimics her antics trying to avoid falling in love with him. Then they get playful.
Yay, Cayetano came through for Pablo! In a way I'm glad, Yago blabbed so now the Albarrans will know what a jerkwad Yago is. Agree with those who think this will only get Cayetano and Pablo closer.
Good for nana Refugio! She's not likely to keep her mouth shut. I can see her joining up with the Scoobies.
—Agnes in NJ
I'm beginning to think (based on all of your conversations, and having missed the entire first half of this show) that maybe Abe isn't entirely evil. Just prejudiced, selfish and over-protective of his sis and her bienes. I think the cop in him may suss out Diablo's evil intent yet. He'll be running scared when he realizes the stupidity of his actions. And if he's such a social snob, perhaps he will be cowed by Don Daniel's actual aristocracy. Just speculatin'
—Agnes in NJ
1) Abe really thought Dan tried to kill Miriam so he told him she was dead, so Dan would leave him alone. Miriam was probably still in a coma at that point.
Abe didn't necessarily send Dan up without a trial - Chilean law could be very harsh and not like the US. Remember what Chile's justice system was like in the 70's-80's.
2) Dan escapes and Abe believes he dies since they never found a body.
3) Miriam wakes up; Abe tells her Dan is dead because he believes he is dead. Abe makes the case/paperwork disappear to make Miriam feel better but also because now there is no murder.
4) Abe takes a leave of absence (which I believe is what Teresa was told when she first arrived) to care for Miriam. Can't explain why he doesn't tell his peeps where he can be contacted.
5) Finds out Teresa is looking for him but since he is a very careful and not so trusting cop, he doesn't want to see her. Dumb move on his part but hey...
6) Calls Dio because Dio is the only contact in Mexico that can tell him what Teresa may be wanting. I got the impression that Abe did not really trust Dio...
Right now, Abe only knows what Dio told him. I'm hoping that Abe will end up on the Scoobie's side once he gets Miriam to La MalQ, and learns how things really happened.
And THANKS Paquita for a great recap. Love the title!!
UA - I can still get the religious animosity, and maybe Leoncerdo was more than enough for me, but I don't think I can make the jump to a second incestuous relationship. I don't know much about Orthodox Jews, but I think the women aren't supposed to wear pants and are supposed to cover their hair after marriage (though I think there's Traditional orthodox and modern orthodox, so maybe there are differences with that rule among them). I think there's a scene where Miriam goes running with Dan in stretchy exercise clothes, and I believe her hair was always uncovered. But more than that, Miriam didn't seem scared or upset by her brother, and if their parents passed away and Dan was Catholic, would'nt he have been more adament about preventing the wedding? I don't know, maybe it's just que yo me niego a creer que Miriam went or is going through the same thing as Luzma because you're definitely right about the parallels. I didn't notice them at all before you pointed them out so ITA with Anita - very insightful. If it does turn out to be true, even if it started after we left off when Chile while Miriam recovered, it'll be good that it's towards the end of the tn because I would not be able to take a double dose of that.
For right now, I'm gong with the theory that Abe was suspicious of Dan from the start because he was from a different religion (and maybe also that he grew up with a single, divorced mom), and didn't have much money. I think he thought Dan was in it for the money, but accepted the marriage because he didn't have much of a choice. When Dan couldn't find work and didn't have money because of his mom's bills, all of the old suspicions came back. Then of course Miriam gets shot and all of the evidence points to Dan and Abe, on the brink of losing the only family he has left because of this interloper, goes into level 10 protection mode. He cuts Dan off from all contact with Miriam and begins punishment the most effective way he knows how: by abusing his power to stall justice. When Miriam gets worse, he gets crazy with grief and tries tries to intimidate the guilty party (your target died, so you're never getting out of here!) perhaps thinking he'd get a confession.. When Dan breaks out of prison, his twisted mind sees it as confirmation of his theories...until Dante returns and Miriam wakes up, confirming that he was SO VERY VERY WRONG. By then it's too late: Dan is supposedly dead. Then he either flees with Miriam before she can find out the truth, citing "starting over" or her/the baby's safety, or actually goes underground for those reasons.
"Rodolfo *sigh*"
is so cute. When the show began I thought that he was a bit hohum borrrring, but I've become a bit fonder of him though not to the degree that you have.
Anita,
As for Natalia:
"...even a headband..."
YESS! I like the way you think. Just like Matilde in CME.
Waddaya think?
Carlos
PDB-no I did NOT notice his zipper was down. LOL!!! too bad SN wasn't in that scene. If she had noticed, she for sure would've ad libbed something!
Abe was told by one of the policemen that Dan was supposed to go to Mexico & claim a huge inheritance. The cop questioned Abe's theory that Dan killed Miriam for money by asking Abe why Dan would kill Miriam for money when he was set to his own huge sum of money. Abe justified his theory by claiming Dan was greedy & wanted all the money.
There's no record of Dan's arrest because Dan erased himself from the prison computer files.
Abe probably found out later that Dan was innocent and that's why no charges were re-filed.
Daniel may have erased his prison record but wouldn't there be another record somewhere within the police department? He didn't have a lot of time to do this while he and his cellblock were escaping.
Abe may realize now that Daniel didn't do the crime, but at the time I don't think he was thinking much about a trial. Do they even have trials in Chile?
You ask whether Chile has trials. Por supuesto que sí. This TN is set in the present, not during the military rule of the 70s and 80s.
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