Monday, May 13, 2013
Corazón Indomable Cap. 1, 5/13/13: Our Galan is an Unemployed Bum, Who Just Proposed to Someone Else for Money, But He Sure is Lindo and Chulo
Labels: Indomable
I may have to wait for some of those other listed, although it would be nice to have something to counter all the drug dealing and torture of El Cielo.
It gets better, right?
Kelly
I agree with all your "EWWWs" Eww-sebio is a supercreeper. Ick.
Octavio is kind of a douche right now. Your GET A JOB aside was perfect.
I think this one is going to require some wearing o' the beanie, but I think it will be good mind fluff. I'll watch it for the next couple of weeks and see.
I agree, that Octavio is better get a job. But this lands are his, so he can do what he wants with them. May be it's not so good, but he has all his rights to do so.
Alegria
I watched a little bit of this today and thought we needed another bingo card that reads:
Protagonist has dirt in her face in all the right places and yet her make up is flawless... she could also be in bed after surgery and she surely will look fabulous! All heroines look great no matter what!
Though this section is the set up and seeing Rene as a bad guy is amusing after being such a good guy in AB, I look forward to the next phase w/Cesar as a good guy.
Not a big fan of Ana Brenda, but maybe it was the lqnpa story I didn't like because I would like to stick around for Cesar Evora. But only if we see some improvement. Or Rodolfo from AB.
Kelly
Chisinmiami- I find myself actually agreeing with Miguel on a few points. Selling the ranch just so Octavio can have some quick cash to waste, is a bad idea. And if he’s going to just hang around the ranch, he needs to DO something, like WORK. But I hated how he was playing the serpent whispering about Maricruz in Octavio’s ear. That was gross.
Sara- I love that name for Eusebio—Eww-sebio is perfect!
This is a VERY old fashioned kind of telenovela, so I think we should expect clichés, lots of them. Beanies will be required; I think especially when Maricruz gets her new secret identity. Unless extensive plastic surgery in involved, I don’t see how people would believe she’s a different person. (I have the same problem with La Patrona on Telemundo, but am still enjoying that tn.) So far, I think everyone is playing their roles really well and not over the top, which is very good.
Alegria- I often wonder what happens in families where joint ownership of land is involved, especially working lands like ranches or farms, when one person does not want to continue being a farmer/rancher. I think the only way to resolve this situation is for Miguel to find enough cash to buy out Octavio’s part of the ranch.
Pablo- I think it would be REALLY hard to make Ana Brenda look ugly. She’s just a really pretty girl. But, you’re right that most heroines are never shown looking truly rough. Silvia Navarro is one of the exceptions that I’ve seen who lets it all hang out in her crying scenes—no makeup, veins popping, puffy, red eyes, runny nose—the whole bit.
Karen- I’m also enjoying seeing gooder than good “Mariano” morph into shady Miguel; and looking forward to badder than bad “Dionisio” morph into Maricruz’s good long lost papa.
I'm on the fence about this one. I need to see a bit more before deciding.
If Lucia had a speck of noblesse oblige, she could go ahead and take Maricruz and Simona to the spa for a day of pampering and makeovers. Then she could open up her overstuffed closet and share a few dresses. Oh well, I guess they're on their own.
La Paloma
Thanks for this wonderful recap. I have so missed your recaps : )
I love the nickname you gave the monkey, Moctavio, lol. Perfect fit. Also like Sara's name for Eusebio, EWWW-sebio.
I find this TN charming. I love the monkey, Maria and Maricruz is so sweet and naïve in ways, for i.e. Octavio. But I think the love bug has hit them for sure.
EWWW-sebio better neva touch Solecita.
I'm glad Octavio insisted on feeding Maricruz and her family. Even though he doesn't have a job, I liked what you said in your aside to him, he at least is looking out for her. I don't like that Lucia and Miguel look down on Maricruz and her family.
I like Abeulo Romero. This actor is ninety something in real life and he is very spry for his age. And still acting. I like how he cares for his two girls.
I too agree about Ana Brenda. Even if they made her hair look like a hot mess, she is still very pretty. Can't wait for tomorrow to see the further adventures of Maricruz.
First of all, I have to say this is the first tn I watch where Ana Brenda is the heroine; I didn't care much about her until now, but I have to say, I find her very pretty and likable. Her galan is not that bad either, I'm curious to see how he deals with his first protagonico. They do make a fine pair.
The tn seems pretty traditional so far, I'm not sure if it will hold my interest for a long time, but I'm willing to give it a chance.
I found Octavio very unlikable for more than half the show; when he kept saying he demands to have his money or else, all I could think of was: why don't you just get a job (when you "screamed" it in the recap I was right along with you, Vivi). I kept thinking that he is just another good for nothing handsome face, but then he mentioned he used to be a pilot, so I think there is something more to this story (did someone die in one of his planes, maybe someone he loved?). I totally agree with his brother, Miguel: you don't just sell the land your father left you so you can have money to burn for a while. His wife is another story, though, I bet most problems will come from her.
When I saw $imona (great nickname) all I could think of was: so this tn will have not one, but two makeovers? Not that Maricruz really needs one...a little soap on her face and a comb on her hair and she is good to go.
I could see that Maricruz is totally infatuated with Octavio, but I think he only sees her like a "pobre diabla" that needs his help, at least for now. I liked the fact that he was upfront with Simona about his sister-in-law's plans, but I was totally turned off by the fact that she was willing to marry him either way. How much longer will women be portrayed like this on TV?
Some final thoughts after watching the first epy:
- Maricruz needs to wear longer dresses - or overalls, maybe those could keep horny peons away
- Octavio should have to learn a thing or two about ranches, it's obvious that despite his best efforts, Miguel is not very good at it
- I wonder how do Lucia's fancy clothes look if she dressed like this around the house
- Would it be that impossible for Maricruz to try and get a real job, instead of stealing? I know she is doing it to save her family from starvation and she has little to no education, but stealing is stealing
- Does Lucia have a thing for Octavio?
So we have another TN where the galan is a total dweeb but we know he will change because of the love of a simple, good woman. Bingo! I always need to take some deep breaths during these setup episodes ( except Abismo where the kids were better than anything!). Right now watching Octo walking around in her perfect white mini is enough to implode the beanie, but whatever.
I'll give this one a go if only to keep seeing Moctavio ( too funny). I'm in lurvvv with the monkey.
Daisy
Not sure if I'm going to stick with this one, but it looks like a bingo-player's dream. We've already had "sueltame" and "no me toques." Plenty of stock characters: wicked sis-in-law, libidinous capataz. And there's a very tempting-looking staircase in the background for those plot-turning tumbles...
I only want to say that Octavio can sell the land and give all the money to the charity. Or whatever he wants to do. It's unfair to depend on brother's desire to become a farmer. If tomorrow Lusia and Miguel will change their minds about land, they will sell it. And that is all.
Alegria
Like NovelaMaven, I am on the fence after the first episode. I will continue to watch, though. It's a perfect time slot for me. (Because there are nights I can't even stay awake for AV.)
I agree with everyone about Ana Brenda Contreras' beauty. She's just gorgeous. I'm looking forward to the stage when she is a little less wild.
Oh! And I'm really looking forward to seeing Cesor Evora as a good guy.
PS: I'm I the only one having trouble seeing Elizabeth Alvarez as a villain?
Something about Elizabeth's eyebrows always reminded me of a villainess- sort of like an evil version of Maryanne from Gilligan's Island. Her voice is a bit too high pitched for a typical villainess, but it fits with Lucia who tries to fool everyone (including her husband) into thinking she's a good person, while she's having evil thoughts about taking Octavio out, permanently.
Thanks for the Bingo card reminder. I'm going to have to choose one and see how quickly I get through one with this tn.
I LOVE the monkey. I can't help it. I'm a sucker for monkeys. :) I do wonder about the challenges of working with one though. Did they only use one?
This TN is a little suspect, but the mentioning of Octavio being a pilot gives me sth to look forward to, !Ricardo Franco,Rodolfo from AB!
The scenes with Maria & the burro are funny, I think she needs to remove a few of those oranges.
I'm not a fan of first 3 episodes, but others as for me much better.
Alegria
I will work harder to believe that Elizabeth is a villain.
Moctavio, how about Monctavio? Get it?
I loved the $imona nickname. Why on earth would she still agree to marry Octavio after his very own description of what kind of guy he is and what she should expect from him as a husband? Can't settle down and loves to play the field. Yeah, I want to marry that.
Seeing Rene look exactly like he did in Amor Bravio playing a sickeningly sweet character to playing a dog in this one is a bit unsettling. I keep expecting him to be good. And I agree with you Vivi, I thought Miguel had some good points about keeping the hacienda and Octavio getting a job.
Octavio is a lazy, entitled rich boy. But he seems to be smart-- smart enough to see through Lucia- and he has a good heart. That's a good start.
I do think they have to show Maricruz being almost childlike in her innocence now, so that it will be even harder to recognize her later as the hardened, savy businesswoman (even though she will look exactly the same).
Any speculations on who could be Soledad's parents? Perhaps she'll turn out to be the sister of Miguel and Octavio, or maybe even Miguel's daughter (by some poor girl)! He's old enough to be her father.
I do like that it isn't a secret within the family that Soledad was a foundling, and also that it isn't a secret that Maricruz's dad is alive out there somewhere. Although Abuelo won't give her any more info about him.
Nice one, Vivi! I've been a fan of René Strickler for some time. His scowl can darken the screen and his smile can suffuse it with light and warmth. He has no trouble at all working either side of the street.
Sara, you've already see the good César Évora. Have you forgotten Dr. Sabelotodo (aka "the voice") in Triunfo?
This just in --
India Maria said NARAJAZO! Now we know what kind of nerfazos to order for watching this one!
Speaking of India Maria -- not precisely PC, right? What do we think? Does anyone care? Overthinking, right?
I am glad Mrs Velasco is alive and well. I wish she had another sitcom just for herself, like she did with AY MARIA QUE PUNTERIA, but I don't like to see her here, as a part of something this ludicrous...
I love LA INDIA MARIA since her beginnings in SIEMPRE EN DOMINGO. For me, she is the best ''india'' out there and like Betty White, she should be more not picky, but careful with her choices.
But, whatever the reason, people get to that certain age where they start doing silly things...
She is one more reason why I won't watch this TN... sad!
Maria is "una india" and proud of it. Bt for much of Mexico's colonial and post-colonial history, most of its people have been ashamed of and/or hidden their Indian/Native American roots. Maria is shown to always have a good heart and a sense of humor. Although she is a comedic figure, she always seems to get the better of the rich (and non-Indian) folks. I think the character is quite subversive, although in a certain light she can also be seen as a stereotype (and therefore offensive to some). You see this quite often with African-American humor and comedians, and there is usually the same debate over whether they are breaking new ground with subversive humor, or just perpetuating stereotypes. It depends on your point of view. Since I am neither Mexican, not Indian/Native American, I'm going to wait for the opinion of someone who is. But I am guessing that even the opinion of a Mexican on this subject would depend on their race, social position, and even age.
I don't know if you're familiar with La Malinche, the woman who interpreted por Hernán Cortés in the 1500's. She had an affair and kids with him, went to Spain (like Pocahontas), and because of that, mexican people who prefers foreign to local are called ''malinchistas''.
México, if is not racist, it is somewhat malinchista. People can not stand this indias, called ''Marías'' who came out of their habitat to sell stuff on the streets of the big cities trying to survive...
La india María has made them more visible and they can not be ignored anymore. They also have ''needs''.
I love the character (and her voice inflexions), I know some masahua people who now live here in my neighborhood and they certainly are quite nice.
I still think that Mrs Velasco's character should have another name and not María Nicolasa Cruz. I wouldn't be surprised if she shows up with her donkey Filemón...
I love the story of La Malinche.
She was sold by her father to the Mayas then given to the Spanish after a being defeated in a battle. She supposedly was very beautiful & very good at language.
I hear ya' Novela!
Pablo and Vivi-Thanks for the information. I did not like the India Maria schtick because it was well...schtick. It seemed a little out of place; like it served no purpose. I generally don't like "no purpose" comic relief in TNs.
Anda muy desbalagada esa india!
She's way too far from her region... I am sure there's local Tamaulipecos there who could have had that place.
Anybody remembers who this character was in the Marimar version? Did exist or it has been made up for some reason? Was it Maricruz grandma but now with the invention of the deaf-mute character she had to be placed outside the hut?
Anybody remembers if URPEA had tarahumara indians as characters?
It would be interesting to see if TN are being inclusive for a reason or just to have ''gente pintoresca'' to appeal foreign TN watchers, that see them as comic relief.
I mean, one thing is the clothing and the food, and another the whole character dress in full regalia.
What is URPEA?
Found this tidbit on Maria: http://www.visibleworld.net/genderandtechnoculture/jchavez/2ndpg.html
Shame on me, but I didn't know about India Maria before a started to watch this novela. At first I didn't like her at all, but then I think the change a little her role and I liked it.
Alegria
Now I remember, Corazón (Julia Marichal, Kalimba's recently deceased aunt, right)...
Un refugio para el amor (URPEA), sorry...
So Marimar was located in Veracruz, or how does the black white magic woman presence can be explained? Right? I think I remember her reading the snails (shells)... maybe she was cuban living in México?
I know we don't/shouldn't compare remakes, but I had issues with how incredibly "backwoods" some people in Marimar were...and I have the same issues with how "backwoods" Maricruz (and others) seem in this one too.
Pablo- Believe me. The Maria character does NOT appeal to foreign tastes (at least not the U.S.), so her inclusion I'm pretty sure was done for the local Mexican market for nostalgic reasons.
Thought the editing was not very smooth and give that girl a rubber band to tie back her hair. I really hate that hair in the face thing--though I understand why it's happening in this TN.
OT: anyone out there watching QBA? Has my boyfriend showed up yet--Alejandro Ruiz (Jacinto-MEPS, guy killed by sledge hammer-STuD), guy lynched--CME, the awesome P. Anselmo-AB)?
Nanette
I am sure producers think and decide with their wallets. I can't come up with a reason for María Nicolasa to be in that TN. If it's a cameo, or if it's a homage to her career, or whatever reason, it is wrong.
For me, she is too big as to lend herself to a ridiculous TN remade ''n'' number of times.
She deserves better. But as I said, people get old and they do the most outrageous things. Whatever it is I don't like her there... I hope she doesn't stay til the end...
Brenda, she's a goddess. How could I say no? Besides, the story looks good to me. Thank you for a super recap---It's the first recap of yours that I have read. I say again
it was super.
They have Ana Brenda paired up with a handsome guy, now it's as you said, if he can just get a job.
I probably will not comment much because I can't stay on the computer all morning but I will definitely stay on this one.
the gringo
I never judge a TN based on the first few episodes. If I did, I would have missed Gancho, LldA, and AV.
I fail to see a problem with the wild girls' outfits.
For me La India Maria is such a treat. An added bonus was that she prompted a phone call from my dear Spanish Profa Adriana who has moved to Austin, "¿La viste, Carlos?"
She was the subject of several of our early discussions of Mexican culture.
Carlos
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Great recap Vivi!
This is the only episode I've seen of this show. And I saw it online because 4 pm shows are impossible for me to watch.
I kept thinking the same thing as you about Octavio. He needs to get a job. Sure, part of the Hacienda is his but I don't think he is entitled to ask his brother to sell their parents life work ust so he can have more money to spare. And really, I doubt he is not getting enough money to live there, even on a tight budget (for him anyway, I dount whatever he receives is not enough to live well).
I like the monkey too. According to Ana Brenda they get along and he had a bit of an attitude during the first weeks of shooting but later on he got used to the cast and crew.
I think Maricruz is supposed to be living in extreme poverty so she wouldn't be able to afford jeans but maybe some used long shorts would be more accurate. It would depend on how. Although skirts aren't uncommon but her rags do need to be filthier.
I don't know why La India María is here, that was odd. I do like her, as a Mexican, although I understand why it may hurt American sensitivities. I just always saw her movies as a kid and she's like Cantinflas to me, I never laughed at her but at the way other people were made fools by her. Kind of like the typical likeable naco in novelas (say, Beto in Gancho) they are stereotypes but you are supposed to like them and root for them when others look down on them and they represent a social class that is extremely looked down upon and made fun of here in Mexico.
Jarocha
Tue May 14, 04:21:00 PM EDT
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I meant that Maricruz getting new clothes would depend on how close they are to a town and how connected this town is to merchants of second hand clothes.
Jarocha
Tue May 14, 04:25:00 PM EDT
Sorry for the hassle of bringing here the comments. I should have done that after finishing my post there.
Jarocha
"The surroundings of Spider monkeys can be seen covering the Mexico region, where the genus Ateles in the Neotropics are seen to be most common. We can see them distributed from Tamaulipas (where our tn takes place) to the border with Guatemala. They are also found restricted to the Yucatan peninsula.
The geographical distribution of spider monkeys in Mexico is closely linked to the distribution of tropical wet forests. As a result of human activity, there has been a fast disappearance of these ecosystems, which has seen a decline in the population of spider monkeys in Mexico."
I'm guessing that since Maricruz mentioned that he was probably all alone like her sister, there's some destruction of natural habitat happening that's leaving orphaned monkeys around.
I'm in the minority I'm sure, but I would love for them to put a little "Save the wildlife" PSA into he show. Hee hee.
Also, I always cringe a little when I see animals in shows/movies filmed outside the US. I'm hoping Mexico has animal actor safety rules.
Got my beanie ready...
I think I'll discard the beanie, put on an open-weave straw hat, and just let it all flow through me.
Interesting discussion, especially on cultural differences and what is, or isn't offensive and why.
As so often happens, the recap and the comments far surpass the silly, contrived story. You all can still spin gold out of dross I see.
I hope Ana Brenda cleans up as well sooooon.
The comments on what she was wearing was spot on. I think some of her wardrobe was left over from LQNPA. She should have been in raggedy pants and wearing huaraches made of twine or something.
Will we *evvaaa* see upper class women in casual clothing and flats at home or cafes in these tns? I think Silvia Navarro is the exception to the rule--with few or no hair extensions.
I may watch occasionally, or regularly, but I probably won't have time to comment.
As for the villains--I thought they just had their own conflicting agendas, but then I heard Luci say Octoguy needed to be wiped off the planeta. Cold. She's happy where she is and doesn't want to move, sell the hacienda *or* give BIL his share of the inheritance. Miguel is right, Octoguy would only run through his and then want more.
The comments comparing Mariano (AB) and Miguel (CI) were great.
As for "getting a job," if Octo is a pilot, don't they make pretty good money? Or did he get fired?
Guess this will be the last comment since the episode is already running in the east.
Chau, compañeros.
I am Mexican - American and my friends look up to me for spanish help. I can read and understand spanish very, very well. But, I am too nervous to speak it and I find it difficult to write. I have never taken a Spanish class. I believe I am doing very well in Spanish for my age (being an average American and only being spoke to in Spanish by my mother(she speaks spanish to me about 75% of the time) and sometimes her relatives and my brother). I will be starting middle school soon and many of my friends were accepted to rake spainish (I was not, due to the fact that I registered out of area to another school and got the left over classes).
I'm glad to know I'm not the only American watching this show.
though.. I am not one bit confused for as I said before.. I understand spanish very well.
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