Caray, Caray!

The anvil for me always depends on how much evil they commited and more importantly,they get psychological satisfaction of it,it becomes their way of living,inflicting evil is their oxygen( Pedro Medina,Fevier,Bernarda Iturbide,Gracie) . I hope i wont get dissapointed by the anvils of Pedo and Gracie because if they took hell over,Satan would get a long long vacation.

And i cant get enough of Rolling Stones- Satisfaction.It certaintly fits Pedo aka No- Balls, He can get any satisfaction no matter how much evil he commits ,his poor dildo wont move up because he doesnt have one anyway !!

How do people without testicles pee anyway,do they use a portable pipe pump like Pedo?
 

cant get any satisfaction*
 

I am almost always disappointed by the death of a villain. I prefer them to live out a miserable life. Preferably with a disfiguring injury or missing a limb. It's pretty nice to see them being bullied in prison, too.

If Fevier had lost an arm, an eye and been paralyzed I would have been happier with his prison sentence. As you noted on several occasions he had already escaped once. He could do it again and cause more trouble.
 

I was QUITE satisfied with the karmageddon of Carlota (Leticia Calderon) the evil villain in En Nombre del Amor. She ended up crippled, in a wheelchair in prison, and pushed over in said wheelchair by other inmates and unable to get up.

Bárbara (Lucero) in Mañana es Para Siempre is shown in her prison cell with horrible facial burns. Quite satisfying.

In La Patrona the evil Antonia Guerra (Christian Bach) was sentenced to house arrest because of a spinal cord injury she sustained being shot while trying to kill the love of her son's life in a mine. They showed her helpless and being mocked by unfeeling caregivers.

I definitely prefer the villains to live on suffering!
 

Novelera

You picked two of my favorites in Carlotta and Antonia. In IL I think Raqhell is being et up for the same kind of thing as Guerra. Personally I want to see her sons, turn against her, the town show their hatred and for her to end up in the manicomio taking the electric shocks she condemmed her sister and Blanca to.

I agree that the quick car accident, fire or shooting gets people off who have created years or months worth of hell for their victims and it doesn't satisfy me.
 

I was satisfied with Bernarda Iturbide dying as she did because had she lived her son wouldn't have stopped trying to get her to repent. Her death relieved him of that, which was better for him. As well as better for everyone else she ever hurt. Even Victoria couldn't forgive her and we all know that VR's protagonistas are always saintly.

I have changed my mind several times about what should happen to Graciela of LQLVMR. Right now Antonia's fate sounds right to me.
 

Demetrios, to your question regarding Pedro: I think that his body probably looks like this. If this sort of thing happened nearly three centuries ago there was a way. I guess that with his accident having happened 20 or so years ago the surgeons did what they do to transgenders.
 

I agree with novelera about Carlota in ENDA. Her karmageddon was pretty ironic considering how she first faked paralysis and then ended up being paralyzed when she fell. And her final scene when the other inmates knock over her wheelchair was quite fitting.

Another Letty C villain that I enjoyed seeing get an appropriate karmageddon was Isadora in AB. Having Leoncio get revenge on her for cutting out his tongue by not only doing the same to her but also burning her hands with acid and raping her was probably more than she bargained for.

I do sometimes prefer when the villain doesn't die that way they can suffer. Usually all the villains end up in jail but I also like when they end up disfigured as well.

 

Jail works for me if it involves suffering and no possibility of escape. El manicomio tambien.

It will be at least 10-12 weeks until the end of LQLVMR, so we will certainly have a specific discussion of that one before we get there. I keep track of all the villains' crimes now in the ones I watch. Pedro is inching up the ladder of the Villain Scorecard.
 

I would really prefer the villains live,preferably in jail to see all their evil deeds undone. Missing limbs or eyesight is always helpful. The old TNs got it right. Villains almost always got what was coming to them. Can't wait to see what they have in store for Graciela and Pedro. Lets not forget Ez.
Great topic UA!

Hanna
 

What do I see as a suitable fate for a villain?

If their offenses are mostly insults/pain toward another character, I want to see them humbled in some way and see them gain appreciation of the person(s) they hurt. Once they pay this penalty, some redemption may be possible.

If they did more serious damage, including killing other characters, they need serious punishment. Sometimes suicide or a lingering and painful death is suitable and satisfactory.

In most cases, unrelenting and unrepentant villains need painful and ongoing punishment. This would involve constant pain and humiliation, often best achieved in some type of incarceration. They should be made to feel insignificant, to suffer both mental and physical pain, and to be under the control of others. Some may admit their evil and others may remain defiant.

I didn't like FeVier's end, because it allowed possible escape. I liked LaFont's end in Pasion, where he lost a leg, an eye, and then his head.

Barbara's end in MEPS was good because she continued to suffer for her lost daughter while scrubbing toilets, wearing her self-inflicted burned face and ugly prison clothing.

 

I have a hard time remembering the names of the characters and the names of the Novelas.
Refugio Para El Amor-Gala, ended up with a fatal disfiguring illness. I am not really fond of that fate because it kind of implies that having a fatal illness is a suitable punishment for something.
So I like actual punishment, like jail. Or humiliation.

 

I wanna see Pedo being pushed by an inmate into a guard,and then beaten up by a corrupt female guard( Will teach him a lesson not to beat women like Esme) while also being stripped naked:) Then the guards "accidently use acid on his beautiful face and then they say " El Alacran sends his regards" Him being raped daily would also be satisfactonary. As for Gracie,she should be left alone,without dough and in a manicomio
 

As bad as Fuego en la sangre was it had 2 fantastic antagonistas, Diana Bracho & Guillermo Garcia Cantú.

Gabriela was stupid enough to let Fernando bury her alive in a coffin, planning on digging her up later, but Fernando took the cowards way out & killed myself, leaving Gabriela to suffer the consequences.
 

La Paloma, thanks for reminding me of what happened to LaFont. Yep, he lost body parts with great regularity toward the end of Pasión.

And, Variopinta, Gabriela in Fuego en la Sangre died a nightmare death. It reminded me that, I think in Victorian England, some folks were buried with a length of string attached to a bell to ring in case they were buried alive by mistake.
 

Found an interesting article about overrated telenovelas:

http://www.latintimes.com/top-10-most-overrated-televisa-telenovelas-last-10-years-photos-164439
 

When I watched La Mujer del Vendaval's final, I liked the anvils since I actually hated some of the villains.

Octavia (Chantal Andere)-She fell off a cliff and ultimately died. However, she could have avoided it. She was about to kill Marcela (Ariadne's character) by knocking her off a cliff while screaming she hates her with all her soul. She wasted it though by using her hands to make Marcela lose her grip (if she hated her so much, she would have stepped on her hands and left a mark with those pointy shoes she was always wearing) Jose Ron's character Alessandro had to save Marcela and actually threw Octavia towards a rock where she hit her head and passed out for a minute. She woke up and was cornered by a horse which chased her towards the edge of the cliff and she fell. (She also killed her daughter via car accident. She removed the breaks I think.)

Severo (Marco Munoz)-He faked paralysis, killed a man named Mike Cisneros and eventually was caught. He helped Octavia kidnap Marcela and he fought Alessandro who ultimately threw him off the cliff. (Which is symbolic because that could actually paralyze him if he were to survive the fall. However, it was a high fall so he's dead.)

Maria Laura (Florencia del Saracho)- She envied Marcela. She was behind the stealing of the family necklace and was jailed for a brief period only to escaped. Eventually, she was given a choice. Go to prison or into hiding. She chose the latter with a twist-prostitution. I think she showed some concern when in the newspaper she read that Octavia tried to kill Marcela who was her sister.

Valeria (Rossana San Juan)-She was a straight-up harlot who slept with Alessandro's father and tried seducing Alessandro himself. She ended up abandoned however.

Timoteo (Manuel Flaco Ibanez)-I seriously never understood his character aside from being one of Octavia's numerous accomplices. However, he annoyed me and his fate was adequate. A heart attack and survival in which he cleaned the floors of a dance studio. (It's sad though because I loved his character in Tontas and here I hate him. Well, Chuy Menchaca is warming up to me.)

Luciano (Alfredo Adame)-It wasn't clear what his fate was but his final scene was him smoking a cigar. He was a hateable character and it's similar to the Timoteo situation (I dislike Luciano but loved his character in En Nombre del Amor as Rafael.)

Camilo (Javier Jattin)-I think his worst act was when he stood Marcela up at her first wedding with him (She wanted to marry him at first to claim her land) and his fate was being stood up at his wedding (he had a fate like we wished for El Colosso in QBA and met a saucy little chick whom tricked him.)

Nisa (Thelma Madrigal)-She wasn't bad at all. She was just with the wrong crowd (Maria Laura) and was coaxed into helping with the larceny of the family necklace. When she realized what she did, she showed ABSOLUTE remorse and redeemed herself with joining the military. (So between her and Aranza, Nisa is a lesser of two evils. Honestly, Thelma Madrigal's best role was in Esperanza del Corazon as a ballet dancer who supported her mother. I haven't seen her much in PVAA.)

Silvana (Maria Marcela)- She was apathetic of Marcela at first but she changed overtime and I think the worst that happened to her was she saw Luciano cheated on her like in PSMA when Fabricio saw Soni and FeVer on video.

Overall, LMDV was like a watered down Amor Bravio.
 

I never watched La Mujer because im not a fan of Jose Jon but i might if i will have any time. Oh and please when Pedo gets oblitirated from screen ,please send me his sexy pendant please,its the only thing redeeming of him! Im curiously a Scorpio too,im the next Pedo to wage devastation upon you xD. Nah just kidding about that,does a Capricorn Pendant exist too ,i wonder where could i buy that,my sympathy is a Capricorn:)
 

Demetrios, the actor is also a Scorpio. So is Cesar Evora, another popular Televisa villain.
 

I know that SS is a Scorpio,thats why i asked where can you buy that pendant? Also i wonder if there is a Capricorn pendant.
 

I thought they went a little far with the blind Lisabeta's (Daniela Castro)punishment in Pasión. She was far from a decent person but she ended up wandering in a desert area, raped, I actually felt sorry for her.
 

I would love to see Pedro's pendant, I am a Scorpio also.
 

Tks for that link Novelera. I haven't seen some of the novelas but I agree mostly with the list. I really like Una familia con suerte though.

Destilando was my first & I thought I liked it but I have been watching again in daytime & realize, not so much.

Corazón Indomable wasn't even good enough to make the overrated list.
 

I think the reason we are often dissatisfied with the endings that the villains get is that it is too easy or over too fast. They usually spend the greater part of the novela tormenting their victims and then oops a quick car crash or bullet and it's over for them.

In the current LI Raqhell has been responsible so far for 7 murders including two she did herself, has had her sister committed to a mental institution for over 20 years, subjected two characters to electric shock, sent three innocent people to prison on trumped up charges, has effectively ruined her pet son's life and for good measure had her granddaughter's puppy killed. Don't know how it will end but it only seems fair that she be subject to long and painful justice. I suspect she'll just end up paralyzed like Guerra was in LP and ill I be satisfied-NO
 

Oddly, animal deaths bother me more. Animals are mostly defenseless against human intelligence and ingenuity. The murder of Paloma's puppy and Macarena's doves in ENDA made me mad enough to chew neutronium.

I hope it doesn't come to something like that in LQLVMR. The way Pedro is treating little Victoria is already bad enough.
 

Cachito de Cielo had some major anvilage as well. There was rape, abandonment, jail and ovarian cancer. For a select few there was redemption. At one point, there were two ornery angels who were sent to hell but at the end redeemed.
 

Cachito had a lot of misplaced anvils. I felt like a lot of people got anvils they didn't deserve.
 

I really enjoyed most of mujer de vendaval but
I found the karmageddon of Severo and Octavia very unsatisfying. I actually laughed when Octavia was trying to push Marcella off that -shall we call it a cliff - it was too ridiculous and when the doll fell into the ravine I was still giggling. It was a little sad, because the rest of the show was good except Nisa she was funny when she was bad and then went too far to the good side. I thought her in boot camp was just too unrealistic.

In most cases villains shouldn't die, death is too good for em