Caray, Caray!

I'm catching it once in a while and missing so much
I need help

Watching yesterday I had the following questions
Is the scary lady who(probably) killed Amaya's mom Max's mom?

Why does Max's older bro hate him?

Why did Amaya go home to her husband?

any other details, I probably missed them

also is there a page for Cosita Linda? trying (w/o much success) to watch because Christian Meyer sin Victoria Ruffo

 

sneaky two shoes--I can't help out 100%, but here's what I can tell you so far.

1. Probably - she had reason to
2. Probably because Max is Daddy's favorite. He's insecure, a mama's boy and she has probably encouraged those feelings (we have hints that maybe Cesar isn't Mauro's bio-son). He's also probably jealous of Max's good looks, beautiful girlfriend, easy-going nature and full of ideas.
3. He's threatened to tell their young daughter she's a slut, whore and unfaithful.
4. Did you have a chance to read the synopsis and the two recaps that were done for 9/30 and 10/1 on a prior posting? They will help with details.
5. Can't help you there.


I'll be posting one for 10/2 here in a little while.
 

Caveat—I do not have a head for business in English nor in Spanish. This TN resolves around the ups, downs, ins and outs of the coffee business and the bad guys trying to bring down the good guys or the good guys not knowing what is going on. No doubt, much of it I’ll get wrong. It may be easier to skip the business details.

Thu Oct 2 – Part 1

Mariana and Amaya are sweet-talking Jorge into letting them look around the finca. Amaya wants to see it because she lived there as a little girl, when her father was the manager and she rarely has a chance to be in this area. Jorge can’t give them permission, none of the owners are in residence. She is very convincing and he lets them onto the grounds. The two girls (even though Amaya is 34) are walking around and Amaya feels so tied to these lands. Mariana has a Personal Flashback to Neena telling her that the family at El Paraiso took advantage of Florencia and appropriated the lands that really belonged to Florencia and Amaya. [We mustn’t forget that young Mauro and Florencia signed a business association before they declared their love for each other, but of course, did not marry.] Amaya begins to remember more. Then she gets in her head she wants to go IN the house. Mariana thinks she’s crazy and tries to talk her out of it. She can’t. The door is open, so they walk into the main patio.

Max doesn’t understand why Amaya doesn’t want to know anything more of him. Eloisa delivers fresh towels to Max and finds him agitated and distressed. It’s not about Consta and not about his project—then it’s about the young woman he rescued from the river. Yes, something special happened between them, something magical; he felt as though he had known her all his life and nothing else in the world was more important than she was. This feeling had never happened to him before. It’s driving him crazy that he has no way of getting in touch with her. He’s confused. Never in the 5 years he and Consta were separated did he ever doubt his feelings for her, until now. Eloisa thinks it’s a test—putting temptation in his way. Perhaps, he says, rather unconvincingly.

Constanza greets Prof. Salvador (Yummy) Romero at the University to give him the good news that she and Max reconciled and are going to get married soon. He congratulates her with a hug, but it’s obvious he’s unhappy to hear that news.

Twin Flavia brings Lucio some new colors for his art work. She and Max promise to come and paint with him later. Max has to go to the office and meet with his dad and brother Cesar. Lucrecia comes down the stairs. There’s some under-the-radar needling going on between Flavia and mother. Flavia who wonders why nothing these three siblings do interests her. It seems as if only César interests her. Max and Flavia leave. Eloisa turns to Luce and says Flavia is right, since César was born, all your maternal feelings disappeared. Why? Luce says to herself—and you will never find out, either.

Jorge is admitting to Iván he let two guapisima girls in. Iván is all over him for going against the rules. Jorge is sure if he had seen them, he would have let them in, too. No, says Iván, rules are rules—no one comes in without advance permission from the family. Iván will go find them and politely ask them to leave and to pardon him for having to do so.
 

Thu Oct 2 - Part 2

Mariana and Amaya are inside the house now, probably in the living room and Amaya is remembering more and more, where her mother sat on the couch, etc. Mariana wants to leave, but Amaya isn’t through touring yet. Mariana leaves her. Amaya enters a room with a painting on the wall of coffee plants under cultivation. She remembers it perfectly—and under what circumstances. Amaya has a Flashback to 30 years ago when she is under the big table, hiding during a game of hide and seek when she hears a woman’s voice over the ham radio (or something like it). Her father, David, comes running in to answer and listen. [We know it’s Lucrecia.] The woman is telling him that Mauro is sending a plane to the finca for him to bring him back on some unspecified business, but she knows for sure it’s just an excuse to bring his lover to Mexico City. David swears he’ll stop Florencia from running away. [This is the gist of it, anyway.] End of Flashback.

That memory convinces Amaya that the woman’s husband and her mother were lovers. So her memory of her mother Florencia getting off the plane and the explosion where her father David died is true. [We see a brief flashback of the explosion and Florencia being thrown forward towards the car where Amaya is waiting in the back seat. [It’s clear from this much that Amaya was never in or near the plane. Mauro obviously wasn’t in it. David, we assume WAS in the plane and died in the explosion. We will have to wait for more revelations, I guess.] Amaya wants to know where Daddy is. Florencia says he’s not coming. Amaya points out his car is still there. End Flashback.

Max arrives at the Nescafé business offices and greets Genoveva, his dad’s secretary. Max gives César and Mauro a quick overview of this Tres-En-Uno (3 in 1) coffee drink project. They will use only the finest coffee beans. Mauro is taking notes, pondering, smiling. (Cesar is not.) When he’s finished, Cesar asks snidely-it’s a joke, no? Max-What do you mean? No, no joke. Cesar-it won’t work. They start a noisy, argumentative discussion on the pros and cons. Mauro has been quiet. Max asks him what he thinks. Well, he liked it at first, but he has to agree with Cesar that it’s a little out of their area of business. Max thinks it is an area they can expand into and prosper. Cesar thinks he’s dreaming. Max points out it’s a product that is already selling well in Europe, why not in Mexico, with Mexican products, production, distribution, employment. Cesar says we are not copy-cats. Max says it’s not copying, it’s for Mexicans, by Mexicans. Mauro closes the session by telling Max he needs to see financial data, business plan, everything. They’ll take a vote on it in the board of directors’ meeting tomorrow, after Max’s formal presentation.

Mariana is beside herself waiting for Amaya. She starts to look for her and runs right into Iván (it’s interest/fright/anger-at-first sight). She flees, but he grabs her. Didn’t she understand—they were to stay outside? Yes, but her sister wanted to see the inside of the house. Where is she? Mariana doesn’t know. Ivan doesn’t believe her. Perhaps they are there to rob them? Are NOT. She starts to walk away and Ivan grabs her again. She’d better tell the truth or he’s calling the police. Mariana gets him where it hurts guys the most with a well-placed kick followed by a lucky right punch to the jaw and runs off. Ivan is down for the count and yells for Jorge to give chase.

Mariana luckily finds a dreamy-eyed Amaya, still pondering the fate of her parents. They flee steps ahead of the boys. Ivan recognizes Amaya, but in his debilitated state, can’t catch up with her. The girls are too quick. Iván can’t believe it. He’s sure it was Amaya. Why would she need to make up that story about living there if she and Max were friends. Jorge doesn’t think they will be back.
 

Thu Oct 2 – Part 3

Horacio proves his loyalty to César by pressuring a long-time client coffee grower to sign a new five-year contract with no change in price, though there should have been an increase. He’s not happy. Horacio threatens him with ruining his business if he doesn’t sign now. The man caves and signs and Horacio triumphantly hands the contract over to César. César is happy. But nobody can know you were the one who got the contract signed. Of course, jefe, what are you talking about, ha ha!

Neena is home and hears the nasty message Horacio left for Amaya. Cipriano overhears and Neena accuses him of feeding Horacio all those horrible lies about Amaya. Cip says Amaya is just like her mother, a cheater, unfaithful. Neena says that just because she wants a divorce doesn’t mean she’s been unfaithful. Cip is sticking to his story, he heard them talking about that man. He also brings up Florencia may not be Resting in Peace since they’ve never been assured she’s dead. There’s never been a body recovered. Neena reminds him he was never, ever supposed to speak of that. The reason they have a headstone for her is for a place for Amaya to go and pay her respects and knowing her mother’s body is missing would be devastating. Cip isn’t giving up yet. He goes on about Amaya cheating on Horacio with her lover just like Neena cheated on him with Amaya. Cara de impactada de Neena. It seems Cip has been harboring this hatred towards Amaya because he was told, falsely it turned out, that she would be rich after inheriting the lands that belonged to her mother after Florencia’s death. That was the only reason Cip allowed her to come and live with them and what did she turn out to be, a poor orphan.

Amaya is telling Mariana how much good came of their visit to the finca. She’d remembered things that had been blocked. Things that therapy hadn’t been able to help her remember. She remembers the day perfectly, the sound of the woman’s voice saying he was sending for her mother to make her his lover. Sadly, all the gossip in town then was true. But she’s still not clear on the events. The two people that should have been on the plane were her mother and that man, the woman’s husband, not my father, David. Mariana posits that perhaps David was trying to stop her from leaving when the plane blew up.
Mariana-Perhaps it’s just as well nothing happened between you and Max.
Amaya-Nothing happened except a feeling. I don’t consider that being unfaithful.
Mariana-We are all so worried about you, with this divorce business, especially Neena.
Amaya-That’s why it’s better not to tell her what we did today, digging into my past. It’s important to me to tie up loose ends.

Max is on the phone with Jorge telling him he has to fly to D.F. as soon as possible and bring all the financial documents on the project with him. Jorge hands the phone to Iván, who tells him about Amaya “crashing” the finca with her sister. Max can’t believe it. How would she know about El Paraíso, she never knew he was associated with the finca. He tells Iván if she comes back, don’t let her go and call him right away.

Lucio has a piece of artwork to give to Max for his coffee project. Twin Flavia is telling Eloisa she’s going back to finish school and guess who, Salvador (Yummy) Romero is going to be teaching most of her classes. Ah, Eloisa wants to know if he’s still interested in her. Unfortunately, probably not. Too bad, he seemed like a decent, hard working young man. Why didn’t she want to be his girlfriend? Stupidity on Flavia’s part. Lucrecia shows up like an ill-wind raising her voice and upsetting Lucio. Luce enjoys throwing it in Flavia’s face how she could think anyone would be interested in her other than her name, much less a loser (muerto de hambre=starving) like Salvador. So, remarks Flavia, is Luce saying no one will ever be interested in her as a person? Luce smirks and walks out. Eloisa comes to the rescue and tells her she is worth a great deal. Flavia says she wishes Eloisa was her mother and not Lucrecia (dun da dun dun).
 

Thu Oct 2 – Part 4

Amalia and Mariana get back home. They make excuses as to what made them so late. Neena tells Amaya about the phone call from Horacio. Amaya decides she must fly back to D.F. right away, that night. They start to make the arrangements.

Max meets Consta for coffee. He’s pretty depressed because things didn’t go well in the meeting with his dad and César. If things don’t go well tomorrow, he’ll pick up his marbles and go elsewhere. [We know from Tue 10/7 that he did—Don Manuel has offered to stake him to the whole cost of his project.] Consta wants to know, “What about us?” Max replies that until the project is off the ground, he basically has no income, no place to live. Maybe they should delay the wedding a bit. [We know Max has other motives for delaying the wedding. This works for Max, but it doesn’t work for Constanza. She goes to see Daddy, behind the scenes.]

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I’ll try to get a couple more recaps up before I leave for two weeks without Univision. Ack. I apologize for the length. I just don’t know how to cut it down in the beginning when the characters are being established and the story line launched.

 

Thanks so much. Wow, if we wondered whether PEAM was good for Avon's image, what is Nestle thinking? Doubling down with 2 TN at once.
Who wouldn't want the lovely Sophia associated with Abuelita, but the recipie stealing? And here, the shady land deals and coerced supply contracts? But Nescafe isn't considered "fine" coffee, anyway, is it?
 

Anon--Nescafe is considered very drinkable if one prefers the powdered form. I've noticed that larger grocery stores with ethnic food sections carry Nescafe jars in Spanish. It was even available in Puerto Rico, along with some wonderful brands of their own.

Who would have thought we would go in 20 years from Maxwell House and Eight-O'clock ground coffee in a can, brewed in a percolator to the wide variety of coffees we have today in whole bean and ground fresh and brewed in dozens of types of appliances.

I grew up drinking Nescafe, for pulling those all-nighters in college to raising a pair of sleepless babies. I enjoy fresh home-brewed coffee now, but still drink Nescafe powdered almost daily (with a spoonful of hot chocolate mix in it--maybe that's what Max should be promoting--it's pretty good).
 

Ah, mocha. Mmm ...
 

Anita, so how many people have been on the Dead Pool Hit List in this TN ?


 

Steve--
There doesn't seem to be a high mortality rate this early, but it *is* early days. Somehow, I think most of the questionable deaths are in the past.

David - for sure, explosion
Florencia - a maybe, drowning in the river as a result of an automobile accident

Do you know of anyone else?

We do have a natural death.

Elena, Mauro's first wife

 

So I'm trying to follow this on weekends, but am I getting the parentage correct:

First Mauro is married to Elena, and has Max and Julia (?) who is in Italy now. Then he hooks up with Florencia (whose husband has already died in the explosion), who has Amaya, but that relationship fails because he got Lucrezia knocked up, they get married, and she had Cesar, Flavia, and Lucio. Right?

It's still early and it always takes me a few weeks to figure out who everyone is. I'd check out Wikipedia, but you know how they are.

Kelly
 

Kelly--Don't go to Wikipedia if you value following the story without spoilers.

Please, do go to the sidebar link on Caray (on the left) and click on the Amarte feed. There you will find the posts with the synopsis and recaps that can help.

Mauro married Elena a long time ago and had only one child, Juliana. Elena dies leaving him a widower.

He falls in love with SINGLE lady Florencia who owns some of the best coffee uplands. She falls in love with him and they decide to join lands and hearts.

Lucrecia steps in and tells him she is pregnant--with his child, who turns into Cesar. He's the oldest, so naturally I suspect he's not Mauro's and that's why she favors him so strongly.

Mauro marries Lucrecia out of obligation and not love. He and Florencia, his real love must separate. Mauro and Lucrecia have three more children--Max and the twins, Flavia and Lucio.

Time goes by. Florencia marries Mauro's rival for her love at the time, David, and they have AMAYA. Mauro and Florencia get together again and decide they can't live without each other. They decide to run away together.

Lucrecia calls David and he swears he will stop them. David dies in the plane explosion. Florencia and Amaya flee in that car we see in flashbacks.

They get run off the road and into the river. Florencia's body is never recovered. Amaya is rescued and goes to live with Dolores, her godmother and Florencia's best friend (or maybe distant relative) and Cipriano when she's about 4. That was 30 years ago, so Amaya is 34. Max has to be a bit older than she is.

Max only went to Italy to study and ran into (or looked for) his half-sister, Juliana and they found each other.

 

Wow this family dynamic is so confusing, but I;m still sticking thorough. Mariana's feisty, I like her.
 

Recap for last Friday will be up shortly.

As for last night--it seems as though we have a Pervie in the family, oh noes!

 

Thanks Anita!

Lila
 

Recap for Fri Oct 3 – Part 1

Mauro and César walk down the hall discussing the board vote next day. They also cover Max’s plan that in the end helps everyone better themselves economically. Cesar doesn’t think their business should be a social service agency, but Mauro doesn’t think they are mutually exclusive. Cesar is trying hard to turn Mauro against Max’s project. Cesar thinks the majority of the board will side with him; Mauro thinks he’ll be surprised. Next César tells Mauro he talked to Juliana. She’s not coming, not interested in a reconciliation and wants nothing more to do with him. Mauro is crushed. Cesar tells him he really tried to convince her, but no luck.

Constanza and Max are still in the café. The delay doesn’t need to be, she insists. He’s mixing his personal with his professional life. Max rolls his eyes a bit and begs to differ. This project has been his dream for 5 years. He must give it his full attention. Consta is sure he can do both. After all, getting married to Max is her priority. Shouldn’t it be his, too? Of course. (It’s obvious there’s a “but” coming because Amaya is really what’s on his mind—of course he can do both.) But this project must be his priority if he is to succeed and be able to provide for her in the manner to which she is accustomed. They argue. Max is begging for her to see it his way. He waited for her, won’t she wait a little longer for him? Consta agrees to take a breather, wait until after the presentation, then talk about it again.

Consta is trying to cheer Max up with a little distraction, a movie maybe? He can’t, he needs to work on his presentation, Jorge is coming and he promised to paint with Lucio that evening. Consta says she’s jealous of his project, but she admires him for his dedication and enthusiasm. Max recalls how his mother always called him disobedient and rebellious, but he believes it was his way of zeroing in on something he was interested in and concentrating. He asks for forgiveness. They kiss; everything is ok.

Venice—Juliana and hub talk about the trip to see Mauro, her dad. Has she made a decision yet? Yes, Juliana thinks she will go, but she’d like to go solo, test the waters where her dad and Lucrecia are concerned. If it works out, then the whole family can go for a visit later. Son is disappointed. Hub think it’s better to confront the past now than continue to let the doubts drag her down. Jules has decided to surprise her dad and not to tell him she’s coming, well, maybe she’ll just tell Max.

Amaya is packing her bags back at the pueblo. Mariana got her a seat on the last flight out. Amaya is in a hurry to get back to Mexico City to deal with this latest crisis with Horacio threatening her with Valeria. Mariana wants to go with her to help defend her against Horacio. Amaya doesn’t think it’s necessary, she’ll be ok. They hug goodbye. As she’s making her exit, she has a confrontation with Cipriano. He gets a few words in. Amaya wants to know why Cip hates her so much to do such a thing as put those ideas that she has a lover in Horacio’s head. (We know, he already told Neena the same thing.) Amaya is hearing the reason for the first time—the land, the inheritance, the deception. Amaya turns to Neena, what is he talking about? Oh, it’s all in his head. He thought you would be taken care of by an inheritance your mother left you, but it wasn’t that way. And how did he come to that conclusion, Amaya wants to know. Oh, just his imagination…oh, the taxi is here.
 

Fri Oct 3 – Part 2

After she leaves, Mar comes back to question her mother about continuing to lie to Amaya about that inheritance and overall, that someone else ended up with the lands that belonged to Florencia and should have passed to Amaya. Neena isn’t going to tell Amaya anything, although Mariana thinks this is perfect timing since Cip went and opened his big mouth (la bocota), Amaya is getting a divorce and could use all the resources she can.

Again, Neena is making decisions for Amaya that aren’t hers to make, feels that after getting the land back may give her so much trouble, Amaya will wish she’d never gotten them back. Mariana is on a roll. Could it be that those lands are part of the El Paraiso finca? Amaya had been telling her about living there when she was little. Neena refuses to say any more. Mari figures out she’s right! She insists her mother tell her. Neena caves. YES! Mari goes further, putting two and two together from what her mother told her earlier—that the man Florencia was in love with is the one who kept her land and he would naturally have to have been the owner of the finca. Neena doesn’t want to discuss it any further. Well, that’s ok with Mari. She’ll investigate on her own. Neena has the last word—investigating is dangerous and could cost all of them their lives. Mari scoffs at the idea.

Jorge will leave for Mexico City early in the morning. He’s excited to participate in Max’s coffee project and to put under cultivation, the high uplands called La Estrella. Hector doesn’t think Mauro will let them use that land. It was very special to him and they’ve never been cultivated since Hector arrived as manager. Jorge wonders why since they have all the qualities to produce an excellent bean. Iván wonders, too. Hector says it’s a mystery.

Cipriano is on the phone with Horacio. He wants more money. Horacio will send it. He’s at the office and runs into “that woman.” (I don’t know her name, but she works at Nescafé.) She’s disappointed she won’t be seeing him at her place that night. He tells her he has a lot of work to do. Well, she says, as long as that “work” had better not be Amaya (little does *she* know.)

Amaya is on her way back to Mexico City and is reliving her time with Max. Max relives his time with her as he fixes himself a personal cup of espresso in his room with the red coffee maker he used with her in the cabaña.

César greets his mother with a “hola guapa,” (euwwww) and takes her aside to tell her he’s 1) fixing it so Juliana won’t come to Mexico and 2) putting doubts in his father’s head about the efficacy of Max’s project by influencing other board members to go against it. Unfortunately, Mauro is not entirely convinced the project is stupid and worthless and he’s still animated by a reconciliation with Juliana. Luce looks lovingly up at her son, certain that one day his father will only have eyes for him. (We get a brief flashback of Lucrecia’s I described accidentally yesterday. I left out that Lucrecia blackmailed Mauro into marriage by threatening to move far away and take his baby with her. She’d make sure he’d never see his child and his child would know his own father rejected him even before the baby was born.) Flashback over, Luce urges César to convince Mauro he is the best of all the Montesinos.

Max arrives to draw with Lucio. Eloisa wants to know how it went. Time will tell, like tomorrow. He asks El to fix a room for Jorge. He’s arriving tomorrow. Lucio shows Max a sketch he made of a coffee cup, brimming with lovely dark coffee. Max likes it so much he will use it for their product promotion. El remarks how, though Mauro himself was a good artist, his son, Lucio, has surpassed him. Max gives us, I mean Lucio, a terrific smile.
 

Fri Oct 3 – Part 3

Constanza finally has a chance to sit down with her daddy in order to put a little pressure on him to support Max’s project the next day and to convince others to vote in favor. Don Manuel says that as an associate with few shares, he has no power over the other shareholders. Besides, he needs to see the presentation first. Consta thinks Mauro would pay more attention to Manuel’s opinion than his own son’s. Manuel is not so sure. Please, Daddy, do it for me. You promised to be sure I would be happy and Max is my happiness.


In the Montesino master bedroom, Lucrecia is sitting on the bed when Mauro walks in. (Well, it seems that a loveless marriage still produced at least two pregnancies after César—maybe it was that huge double-king sized bed?) Luce notes he’s home early, it’s because Max is home, right? So what? “Well,” she says, “you seem to forget you have other children, too.” “ I know very well I have FIVE children—Juliana is also my child,” he replies. “The one who seems to forget that is you, you with your obsession with César!” Luce switches the conversation away from her and back to Max’s project. She thinks it’s a crazy fantasy and doesn’t want him to approve it, it’s risky. He retorts he’s never let a decision be influenced by being the father. It’s business, he’s always been prudent, but not adverse to risk, if it’s valid. Furthermore, he doesn’t want Luce to meddle in business affairs. He’s provided all the luxuries she’s ever wanted or needed. That’s the whole point, Luce points out, he shouldn’t be putting what they have at risk. Look, says Mauro, let’s not start this battle, when their battles take place on a different plane. Like what? Their unhappiness, he replies.

Luce keeps at it. Unhappiness? He never loved her the way she loved him, he only complied for the sake of his son. Mauro says he never lied to her about his feelings. Luce reminds him if they hadn’t gotten married, his son would have been illegitimate, not be able to participate in family life (or be a legitimate heir, she leaves out) and she certainly wasn’t going to let that happen. She stalks out. Mauro has a flashback to his breakup with Florencia. We see that it is she who urges him to marry Lucrecia for his child’s sake and they must stop seeing each other. A devastated Mauro isn’t liking this plan. She leaves him. Alone with his pain. End Flashback. Mauro knows there has never been any other love in his life but Florencia.

Lucrecia pauses at a photo of César and agrees with herself that “that pueblerina” was a danger that could have ruined everything for her and César.

Salvador (Yummy) Romero comes to visit Max for the first time after his return. Max unwisely shares his days with Amaya with Sal and what it meant to him. It seems she moved his tapete, too. He can’t get her out of his head. Of course, he was always sure of his feelings for Constanza for five years away from her, until this time. Now he’s not sure. Maybe it’s only the uncertainty over his project; anyway he’s confused.

In his own self-interest, Sal tells him to be VERY sure of his feelings for Consta. He doesn’t want her to get hurt.

Amaya gets home and Horacio is sitting in the dark waiting for her. She’s not ashamed of anything she’s done and only came home to make sure things were put straight. He’s not good with her going behind his back to start divorce proceedings. Amaya is somewhat taken back that he knows this, too. If they do get divorced, he assures her, he keeps Valeria, their daughter.
 

Anita- Thanks so much for the update! i was way off. And I didn't even notice the sidebar link, so good- no trying to cover half of wikipedia with a piece of paper to keep away from spoilers.

I'm curious to find out how Amaya ended up with Horacio. What an idiot he is. "I'm going to prove how much I love you by threatening to take your child". Jerk. At first I figured he was rich, but if Cesar is his boss, he still has to work for a living. So where did his entitlement come from?

I know this isn't up to Amor Bravio's standards, but I like it. I wasn't sure I'd be able to watch the Mauro character, but the actor is good and making me forget about Tio Leo. (And the eye candy isn't shabby either). I'll all in for binge watching episodes on the weekends!

Kelly
 

Kelly, et al.
I'll be away for two weeks with no benefit of Uni or other means to watch QA. (Will look forward to a binge watch, as well.)

Keep track of your questions and I'll get back to you all when I can (I will have access to Caray).

I've watched up to tonight, but haven't done any recaps beyond last Friday.
 

Kelly--
Unless we get Horacio's backstory, all we can deduce is that he's a macho's macho. A wooer and seducer first class. He was probably faithful to Amaya for awhile but then sought a macho outlet elsewhere. He's a controlling s.o.b. with a terrible temper, too, so that kept her submissive.

Amaya, like most mothers, put their child's well-being ahead of their own happiness. But can only take it for so long.

I think they both worked to earn a living; Amaya apparently part-time. I think Horacio either recently lost his job or wants in to a better career ladder with Nescafe and used "that woman" to help him get an in.

This is all IMHO. Chau everyone.

 

Anita-They both work but I'm pretty sure all Amaya's money goes to her godmother and Mariana, something I'm sure Man-Whoracio will hold over her head. I agree, such a macho
 

Hello, Viewers,

I am recording this and watching in the evening....primarily because I really like the looks of C de la F.


I was away for a week and just watched the highlights upon my return, i.e. any scene with Cristian and Amaya together -- which were all but non existent.

Loved last night's elevator scene.

I cannot figure out why Max is coaching futbol. Was he a former professional player?

Many Thanks for the recaps and comments.
 

Where is Valeria? I have missed a lot, but don't Amaya and Horacio have a daughter? In the early episodes she's off in hospital, with Max, etc, and Horacio is at work, etc.
 

I just watched the first episode yesterday. Karyme is not my fave at all, but I really like the rest of the cast. I might try to watch this on Hulu, but like my watching of LA Malquerida, I will be behind more than not. I'm glad there is a page though. It's always nice to have a place to ask questions and to comment.
 

Bon voyage Anita.

In Anita's response to Kelly she referred to not having much backstory on Horacio.

I don't understand him yet, either. I get that even though he's a philandering pig, it hurts his ego to lose "his woman." I'll even grant that some possessive, even abusive, men have a soft spot for their own progeny, so I guess he really could want the semblance of a normal home for his daughter, but that doesn't seem likely or enough to explain his intensity.
Given that he's moved on and changed bed partners, why is he so wrapped up in regaining/keeping Amaya?

Does he really love her in some way? Otherwise, what's in it for him to win her back?

It's not like a divorce would be a huge family scandal for him or that he'd be cleaned out by a financial settlement.

He doesn't know Amaya is a rightful heir to prime land, does he?

He seems to have the personality for an abuser, but have we seen/heard of anything physical, or "just" the infidelity and accompanying lies?
Chris in FL
 

Fri Oct 10 - Part 1

Mariana is telling her mother she wants to go to the Fiesta. Her friend Laura is going to introduce her to someone who can tell her about….she catches herself before she says “El Paraíso.” Cipriano is pithed (he always is). Later the two get her a new dress and shoes with Neena’s earnings from cooking for Amparo’s restaurant. Amparo wants to know if she can double her cooking on weekends. Neena will think about it.

Max fills in as substitute coach for a young girls’ soccer team. He misses coaching for his nephew. He’s never coached girls. Guess who is the star forward, grooming to be a goalie? Valeria. Amaya leaves the field before Max shows up in borrowed shorts. When soccer practice is over, Max singles out Valeria to give her a kiss and a compliment. Amaya picks Valeria up but fails to identify Max because he has his back to her.

Eloísa returns home with Lucio. She promises a prize, but no chocolate. Lucrecia is coming down the staircase (…of doom, we hope) when the phone rings and she starts yelling for someone to answer the phone. This upsets Lucio who answers the phone. He recognizes the voice and has a nervous crisis.

Lucrecia finds it is her old “friend” Omar on the other end. She pretends it’s a wrong number. Omar tells her to call him back. He wants to see her.

Jorge helps Elo get Lucio upstairs and calmed down. They wonder what provoked him.

Carolina is at their office talking to Don Manuel. She asks for the name of an attorney to help Amaya get a divorce from her slimeball of a husband.

At the Nescafé headquarters, Cesar asks Horacio to very discretely find the manner in which to ruin coffee plants—and not to use the internet. Horacio knows the go-to guy, Cipriano. Horacio is in luck because Cip isn’t going to be hired by the finca where he normally gets work during the harvest season (which is the only time he works at all). He’s quick to please as long as it’s for more money. The finca owner has died and it is changing hands. The manager isn’t sure what the heir is going to do.

Max gets home and he and Jorge have a chat about his coaching job. Jorge wants to know how it went with Constanza. Not well, admits Max, but she didn’t send him to the devil. She wants to think about the Amaya problem. Jorge tells Max about the terrible reaction Lucio had to his mother. Max admits he doesn’t like his mother much, either. Max goes in to see a sleeping Lucio and says he’d like to get inside Lucio’s head to know what makes him tick.

Elo will take Lucio to a doctor’s appointment as a follow-up to his crisis. Luce thinks that just doubling his medication would be sufficient, while Elo thinks Luce should be concerned about why he had that reaction to her, calling her “mala.” Luce is only thinking about her up coming meeting with Omar.

Jorge goes to the movies with Flavia. He basically tells her she’s off limits as a girlfriend because she is Max’s little sister, he’ll be leaving for the finca soon, permanently, and he won’t mess with his close friendship with Max. She grudgingly agrees they can be friends.

 

Fri Oct 10 - Part 2 (The Elevator Kiss)

The next morning, the meeting all Viewerville had been waiting for happens for Max and Amaya. They are in the office building elevator—alone. Max doesn’t hesitate and takes Amaya’s face in his hands and kisses her, gently, romantically. She kisses him back and it’s one long kiss between them all the way up to her floor. He begs her pardon for being so forward, but he couldn’t help it. He was carried away by the emotion. She admits she was, too. He wants to know why she disappeared from the cabaña without a word and then from the first time he saw her on the elevator. It doesn’t matter. Although Amaya is reluctant, they agree to meet at 2 o’clock in the café on the corner. It is important for them to talk—about “us.” Amaya exits, breathless and discombobulated. Max stays on, grinning and satisfied with himself asking folks who just got on the elevator---“Piso? (Cute)

In his office, Max is talking to his coffee-maker (aka the match-maker). (Cute) Jorge walks in and Max tells him about running into Amaya and how they kissed. Amaya is doing the same thing with her friend and suite-mate, Carolina. She admits she’s in love with him, but she is her own debbie-downer when she says she can’t start anything with him until she’s divorced. Jorge and Max are talking about destiny. Jorge thinks whether Max marries Consta or not will all depend on this meeting with Amaya later that day.

Caro is giving Amaya a pep talk. No, the kiss in the elevator was not correct, but her relationship with Horacio is finished, dead, done, over. If Max weren’t her destiny, he wouldn’t have found her again. Nothing is a simple coincidence. Amaya thinks she was destined to meet Max so she would experience true love, so different from how she felt about Horacio. Caro thinks she should come clean with Max about her marital status. If he feels the same way about her, he’ll wait. Amaya is not so sure.

Consta and Salvador (Yummy) Romero are having a heart-to-heart about the sort-of-break-up-that-is-on-hold. Sal asks where does it hurt, your heart or your ego? Maybe she’s meant to end it with Max, restart her life with someone else. Like who? Sal confesses he loves her. Cara de impactada de Constanza. He admits he never wanted her to know, but seeing how things are with Max, he couldn’t help it.

Don Manuel puts Amaya in charge of the advertising campaign for his son-in-law-to-be’s Tres En Uno coffee campaign (without ever mentioning his name). Amaya will get on it right away.

Mauro tells Luce he’s going to accompany Elo and Lucio to the doctor’s. He thinks she should come, too. No, she has a fund-raising breakfast for children with cancer—very important charity work. Lucio is in good hands with Elo—that’s why she’s here. Mauro tells her Elo is a better mother than she is. That gets her dander up. Does he forget who it was that kept the whole family and the business together when he went into his deep, clinical depression after David died? Mauro has another flashback to the old days and how unhappy he was from the very beginning of his marriage and then learns Florencia has accepted David’s marriage proposal.

Mariana learns she has a full scholarship for the next year, so she needn’t worry about money.

Luce arrives at Omar’s hotel room. He wants more money—or else he tells Mauro their secret. That the reason Lucio is the way he is due to his having witnessed his mother “revolcandose en la cama” with him. He doesn’t care a whit about their earlier agreement of a once-and-for-all pay-off. This secret ties them together for life. If it becomes public, it will ruin her reputation. So, it’s up to Luce to decide—more money or the secret comes out.