Tuesday, February 24, 2015
Stumpy gets dumped La Sombra del Pasado #5 02/23/2015
Recap is all done!
Ok, this was a fantastic episode and I'm having performance anxiety because I don't think I can do it justice, but I'll try my very best!
We return to the hospital room where Severiano's problems just got worse. He just lost a limb, and now he has two angry women on his hand, his wife Candela and the woman he was cheating on her with,Roberta. Roberta has just dropped a bomb on them:she's pregnant and Severiano is the father. Candela looks on in disbelief, Severiano tries to get Roberta to be quiet, but the woman is not backing down. He is the father of her unborn child and he will own up to it, she says that now more than ever she needs the father of her child to step up, with her husband dead she has no one to stand up for her.
Candela is horrified to learn of Raymundo's death, she tells Roberta that she does not want to hear what she has to say and orders her to leave the hospital room or she will have her removed. Roberta agrees to leave, she says she's sure that Candela and her husband have a lot to talk about, but before she goes she tells Severiano that once he is out of the hospital they will have to talk.
Once Roberta leaves Candela turns to her husband and asks him what's going on. Severiano tells her that Roberta is crazy and desperate, with her husband dead she needs someone to pin the pregnancy on. Candela is not stupid and asks "and why would she pin it on you if you've never had anything to do with her?" and then the wheels start to turn and she realizes that everything is connected, Raymundo's mysterious death, Severiano's accident and Roberta coming to her house looking for him. Severiano tries to calm her down but it's not working, she tells him that she does not want to hear anything else, she does not want to be involved in whatever is going on. She looks at him and tells him that they are over, she never wants to see him again, then she runs out of the hospital room leaving behind a distraught Severiano. Damn, I guess it's true, when it rains, it pours.
We get a short scene of Jeronimo looking at Raymundo's truck and asking God why he allowed the tragedy to happen.
Roberta has made it home and Adelina questions her about where she was, she hits the nail on the head when she asks if Roberta was coming back from visiting her lover. Roberta confirms that she was with Severiano who ended up having an arm amputated because of Raymundo. Adelina is livid, she screams at Roberta that her husband was just laid to rest, she should have more respect for her dead husband, the father of her child!
Roberta breaks the news to her sister: she's pregnant and Severiano is the father. Her sister is horrified, it's almost like Roberta planned everything to get Raymundo out of the way. Roberta tells Adelina not to be stupid, she didn't plan anything, and guys hang on for what she says next. She blames Adelina for Ray's death. If she had kept quiet and had not told him she was gone he would still be alive, she lays it on thick and if I were Adelina I would have beaten her to death-not that I'm violent or anything.
Back at the hospital Severiano wants out, he needs to go home to speak to Candela, Humberto tells him that he needs to remain in the hospital, but Severiano has made up his mind, he is going home!Humberto objects, Severiano is making him take too many risks and he has yet to see the reward. Severiano tells him to be patient, he will be rewarded for the things he's doing.
Candela has made it to the church and Jeronimo walks in, she expresses her sadness at the news of Ray's death and he thanks her, a second later she unleashes her venom, although I can't say I blame her. She say's that everything that happened was Roberta's fault, that woman is Satan, when Jeronimo asks for an explanation she walks off, leaving a confused Jeronimo behind.
Melesio is suspicious about the story Severiano gave everyone, he asks ranch hand if he noticed anything strange, maybe blood on the horses? The guy tells him nothing looked odd to him and Melesio sends him on his way.
Adelina goes to visit Ray's grave, she tells him she's sorry for everything that happened and that she will stay and look after Aldonza, she will make sure she is raised right. Okay, this may be a silly question but did Adelina not have a life before coming to the pueblo? How can someone discard everything to come to the rescue of a sibling?
Jeronimo shows up at Roberta's house and tells her about his encounter with Candela, he wonders why there is such animosity between the two women. Roberta tells him it's because Candela and her husband want her land and Raymundo refused to sell, Jeronimo thinks its more than that but Roberta blows him off.
Severiano made it home, Candela is with the baby, she is telling him she needs nothing else other than him (see this is how unhealthy relationships start off), Severiano stands outside the bedroom door and begs to be let in, she allows him entry but he was better off when she was mad at him, because now she's had time to think and cool off and she's about to start issuing orders, and when a woman does that you are done for.
She tells him she won't be leaving him, not because she loves him but because she does not want to cause a scandal. He is free to do whatever he wants with whomever he pleases but if his indiscretions come to light and embarrass her and their son then it's really over. He is not to touch her, EVER and his stuff will be taken to another bedroom. Does this mean she's going to give up on sex? For like all time? That sucks.
He tries to argue that the help will see what's going on and spread gossip, she tells him that the help has always been discreet. Her final condition is that he take care of the bastard child, although its unclear what she meant by that.
Time jump!
It's a stormy night and Roberta is giving birth at home, Humberto is assisting, a baby is born but no cry is heard, Humberto declares the baby girl was stillborn. He hands the bundle to Severiano, refusing to allow Roberta to see her baby. Adelina also demands to see the baby but has no luck, Severiano tells her he is the father and he will take care of the funeral (burial). Adelina is distraught, she chases after Sev begging to see the baby, he tells her to go tend to her sister, she is the one that needs her. Loyalty wins out and Adelina rushes to Roberta's side.
Humberto declares his work is done, even though Adelina feels something is wrong, he tells her to call their private doctor or go down to the clinic, he leaves and once Adelina crawls into bed with Roberta she pulls the covers and finds them soaked in blood, in a panic she calls the only person who could possibly help, but instead of Sev, she finds Candela who tells her to never call her home again.
She manages to find Joaquin who drives them to the hospital. Once they reach the hospital the doctor wants to know who helped with the birth because whoever it was f*cked up big time, he tells them that Roberta will live but she will never be able to have children (what the hell did Humberto do?), he also wants to know what happened to the baby and Adelina tells him the baby died, and that's the story Jeronimo gets.
Jeronimo questions how the two women managed to mess up so badly and Adelina tells him to let it go. Roberta needs their support. We also learn that Dominga is Joaquins mom and she leaves her work to baby sit baby Aldonza. Candela is not happy but Dominga tells her she did her Christian duty and if Candela wants to fire her she should do it.
Severiano tells Candela that he did everything she wanted, but she's a cold fish and it's clear that he is never getting out of the doghouse.
Adelina comes home to Aldonza and goes to give her a bath....and time jump! Aldonza comes out as a beautiful teenager.
And we are done, come back tomorrow!
Previous: Episode 4
Next: Episode 6
Ok, this was a fantastic episode and I'm having performance anxiety because I don't think I can do it justice, but I'll try my very best!
We return to the hospital room where Severiano's problems just got worse. He just lost a limb, and now he has two angry women on his hand, his wife Candela and the woman he was cheating on her with,Roberta. Roberta has just dropped a bomb on them:she's pregnant and Severiano is the father. Candela looks on in disbelief, Severiano tries to get Roberta to be quiet, but the woman is not backing down. He is the father of her unborn child and he will own up to it, she says that now more than ever she needs the father of her child to step up, with her husband dead she has no one to stand up for her.
Candela is horrified to learn of Raymundo's death, she tells Roberta that she does not want to hear what she has to say and orders her to leave the hospital room or she will have her removed. Roberta agrees to leave, she says she's sure that Candela and her husband have a lot to talk about, but before she goes she tells Severiano that once he is out of the hospital they will have to talk.
Once Roberta leaves Candela turns to her husband and asks him what's going on. Severiano tells her that Roberta is crazy and desperate, with her husband dead she needs someone to pin the pregnancy on. Candela is not stupid and asks "and why would she pin it on you if you've never had anything to do with her?" and then the wheels start to turn and she realizes that everything is connected, Raymundo's mysterious death, Severiano's accident and Roberta coming to her house looking for him. Severiano tries to calm her down but it's not working, she tells him that she does not want to hear anything else, she does not want to be involved in whatever is going on. She looks at him and tells him that they are over, she never wants to see him again, then she runs out of the hospital room leaving behind a distraught Severiano. Damn, I guess it's true, when it rains, it pours.
We get a short scene of Jeronimo looking at Raymundo's truck and asking God why he allowed the tragedy to happen.
Roberta has made it home and Adelina questions her about where she was, she hits the nail on the head when she asks if Roberta was coming back from visiting her lover. Roberta confirms that she was with Severiano who ended up having an arm amputated because of Raymundo. Adelina is livid, she screams at Roberta that her husband was just laid to rest, she should have more respect for her dead husband, the father of her child!
Roberta breaks the news to her sister: she's pregnant and Severiano is the father. Her sister is horrified, it's almost like Roberta planned everything to get Raymundo out of the way. Roberta tells Adelina not to be stupid, she didn't plan anything, and guys hang on for what she says next. She blames Adelina for Ray's death. If she had kept quiet and had not told him she was gone he would still be alive, she lays it on thick and if I were Adelina I would have beaten her to death-not that I'm violent or anything.
Back at the hospital Severiano wants out, he needs to go home to speak to Candela, Humberto tells him that he needs to remain in the hospital, but Severiano has made up his mind, he is going home!Humberto objects, Severiano is making him take too many risks and he has yet to see the reward. Severiano tells him to be patient, he will be rewarded for the things he's doing.
Candela has made it to the church and Jeronimo walks in, she expresses her sadness at the news of Ray's death and he thanks her, a second later she unleashes her venom, although I can't say I blame her. She say's that everything that happened was Roberta's fault, that woman is Satan, when Jeronimo asks for an explanation she walks off, leaving a confused Jeronimo behind.
Melesio is suspicious about the story Severiano gave everyone, he asks ranch hand if he noticed anything strange, maybe blood on the horses? The guy tells him nothing looked odd to him and Melesio sends him on his way.
Adelina goes to visit Ray's grave, she tells him she's sorry for everything that happened and that she will stay and look after Aldonza, she will make sure she is raised right. Okay, this may be a silly question but did Adelina not have a life before coming to the pueblo? How can someone discard everything to come to the rescue of a sibling?
Jeronimo shows up at Roberta's house and tells her about his encounter with Candela, he wonders why there is such animosity between the two women. Roberta tells him it's because Candela and her husband want her land and Raymundo refused to sell, Jeronimo thinks its more than that but Roberta blows him off.
Severiano made it home, Candela is with the baby, she is telling him she needs nothing else other than him (see this is how unhealthy relationships start off), Severiano stands outside the bedroom door and begs to be let in, she allows him entry but he was better off when she was mad at him, because now she's had time to think and cool off and she's about to start issuing orders, and when a woman does that you are done for.
She tells him she won't be leaving him, not because she loves him but because she does not want to cause a scandal. He is free to do whatever he wants with whomever he pleases but if his indiscretions come to light and embarrass her and their son then it's really over. He is not to touch her, EVER and his stuff will be taken to another bedroom. Does this mean she's going to give up on sex? For like all time? That sucks.
He tries to argue that the help will see what's going on and spread gossip, she tells him that the help has always been discreet. Her final condition is that he take care of the bastard child, although its unclear what she meant by that.
Time jump!
It's a stormy night and Roberta is giving birth at home, Humberto is assisting, a baby is born but no cry is heard, Humberto declares the baby girl was stillborn. He hands the bundle to Severiano, refusing to allow Roberta to see her baby. Adelina also demands to see the baby but has no luck, Severiano tells her he is the father and he will take care of the funeral (burial). Adelina is distraught, she chases after Sev begging to see the baby, he tells her to go tend to her sister, she is the one that needs her. Loyalty wins out and Adelina rushes to Roberta's side.
Humberto declares his work is done, even though Adelina feels something is wrong, he tells her to call their private doctor or go down to the clinic, he leaves and once Adelina crawls into bed with Roberta she pulls the covers and finds them soaked in blood, in a panic she calls the only person who could possibly help, but instead of Sev, she finds Candela who tells her to never call her home again.
She manages to find Joaquin who drives them to the hospital. Once they reach the hospital the doctor wants to know who helped with the birth because whoever it was f*cked up big time, he tells them that Roberta will live but she will never be able to have children (what the hell did Humberto do?), he also wants to know what happened to the baby and Adelina tells him the baby died, and that's the story Jeronimo gets.
Jeronimo questions how the two women managed to mess up so badly and Adelina tells him to let it go. Roberta needs their support. We also learn that Dominga is Joaquins mom and she leaves her work to baby sit baby Aldonza. Candela is not happy but Dominga tells her she did her Christian duty and if Candela wants to fire her she should do it.
Severiano tells Candela that he did everything she wanted, but she's a cold fish and it's clear that he is never getting out of the doghouse.
Adelina comes home to Aldonza and goes to give her a bath....and time jump! Aldonza comes out as a beautiful teenager.
And we are done, come back tomorrow!
Previous: Episode 4
Next: Episode 6
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Stumpy gets Dumped. God, that made me laugh.
I haven't even read this yet, but geez these actors are tearing it up. They are great. I've only seen Alexis Ayala in Abismo, so I had no idea of what he can do. Alejandra Barros was also an unknown entity. She is GOOD... I hate Candela already more than I have ever hated an antagonista! Susanna Gonzales I knew was good, but wowza!
Dominga ( I will have to look her name up ) and Cynthia Klitbo bring something to every scene they are in.
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You are MORE than doing it justice, Eli!
I will wait to comment further until you have finished.
This was such a sad episode. I felt as if I could cry at one point.
Susana and Lisset were excellent together in their scenes. Candela is one cold chick.
Fatima
I will wait to comment further until you have finished.
This was such a sad episode. I felt as if I could cry at one point.
Susana and Lisset were excellent together in their scenes. Candela is one cold chick.
Fatima
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: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:11:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:11:00 AM EST
Great job Eli, am holding my breath for the rest of your recap!! It was a little hard getting into this one the first two or three nights, but now I am really hooked. Thanks again!!!
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:20:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:20:00 AM EST
Fatima, I stopped by the patio for a mojito. Looks like we are the only ones here this evening. Cheers!!a
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:40:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:40:00 AM EST
Thanks, Eli. Yikes..this show is dark and stormy. What a fine mess Severed and Roberta have gotten themselves into. The ripples are spreading of doom and gloom are spreading out.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:56:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:56:00 AM EST
Fabulous part 1. I don't want to think I'm violent either, but I couldn't believe Roberta blamed Adelina for Raymundo's death!
I really like Padre Jerónimo and the Gregorian chant that seems to be his theme song.
Yes, this is a dark and stormy show but it's so good. I was on the edge of my seat with my mouth hanging open almost the whole time.
I really like Padre Jerónimo and the Gregorian chant that seems to be his theme song.
Yes, this is a dark and stormy show but it's so good. I was on the edge of my seat with my mouth hanging open almost the whole time.
Oh my. Eli your recap was awesome!
The audacity of Roberta knows no bounds does it? And the feud between her and Candela will be a long and agonizing one. Of course, Roberta being so sure the baby is Sever's makes it suspect. But this is her chance to roll in the dough and she's running for it, but Candela divorces Severs, man she could take him for everything. Does Roberta not realize that?
Sara, I agree, love Gregorian chants! Nice touch.
Daisynjay
The audacity of Roberta knows no bounds does it? And the feud between her and Candela will be a long and agonizing one. Of course, Roberta being so sure the baby is Sever's makes it suspect. But this is her chance to roll in the dough and she's running for it, but Candela divorces Severs, man she could take him for everything. Does Roberta not realize that?
Sara, I agree, love Gregorian chants! Nice touch.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 6:43:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 6:43:00 AM EST
Daisynjay - I don't think Roberta thought about Candela taking it all in a divorce. Roberta is way too bees in her bonnet (thanks susanlynn). I believe her when she said she didn't plan anything. I think Roberta is reactionary. She's not calm or clear headed enough to be proactive.
Great part one, Eli! Ditto on feeling violent when Roberta blamed Adelina for Ray's death, and then poor Adelina went to his gravesite feeling all guilty. Bonus from that scene in the cementery is that we get to see what year we started out in from Ray's grave marker- 1988.
I almost laughed when Roberta said she didn't plan anything. That was probably the most true thing she said since this whole thing started. Meanwhile, Candela is the exact opposite. She coldly planned for MONTHS how Sever would get rid of his bastard child. Wow!
The fact that Sever told us that the baby was a girl and was dead, pretty much means to me that we can guarantee that it was a boy and he's alive. Wonder where he ended up? Can't wait to meet all the new characters now that we're in the future.
I almost laughed when Roberta said she didn't plan anything. That was probably the most true thing she said since this whole thing started. Meanwhile, Candela is the exact opposite. She coldly planned for MONTHS how Sever would get rid of his bastard child. Wow!
The fact that Sever told us that the baby was a girl and was dead, pretty much means to me that we can guarantee that it was a boy and he's alive. Wonder where he ended up? Can't wait to meet all the new characters now that we're in the future.
Not only could Roberta take Sever down in a divorce, but from what she said to him, it seems like the house and land are hers anyway. He married into her wealth.
I hope you mean Candela. Otherwise I'm confused. Which is kind of person for the course for me.
I'm glad you said it Vivi because I totally thought the baby lived as well. I have a suspicion based on opening credits.
I'm glad you said it Vivi because I totally thought the baby lived as well. I have a suspicion based on opening credits.
I thought so.
I guess this says dreadful things about me, but I can't help but like Candela, too. She and Roberta are very interesting characters to me.
I can't wait to see what the time jump has done to them-fashion wise and temperament wise.
I guess this says dreadful things about me, but I can't help but like Candela, too. She and Roberta are very interesting characters to me.
I can't wait to see what the time jump has done to them-fashion wise and temperament wise.
Eli, I will echo everyone's enthusiasm in that this was wonderful.
How seamlessly you captured the very heartbreaking and violent events. "If she had kept quiet and had not told him she was gone he would still be alive, she lays it on thick and if I were Adelina I would have beaten her to death-not that I'm violent or anything." said it all.
I have to say that I agree Vivi, I'm certain the child is alive. That was a heatrwrenching scene. Fatima, my eyes welled up also. Truly. "Dark and stormy" susanlynn - I concur. Susana really brought it - she and Lisset are the perfect siblings.
Are we supposed to like Candela? Hmm. I like the overly emotional Roberta, the unintentional murderess far better. I choose passion over ice.
Can't wait to read the next Part.
Diana
How seamlessly you captured the very heartbreaking and violent events. "If she had kept quiet and had not told him she was gone he would still be alive, she lays it on thick and if I were Adelina I would have beaten her to death-not that I'm violent or anything." said it all.
I have to say that I agree Vivi, I'm certain the child is alive. That was a heatrwrenching scene. Fatima, my eyes welled up also. Truly. "Dark and stormy" susanlynn - I concur. Susana really brought it - she and Lisset are the perfect siblings.
Are we supposed to like Candela? Hmm. I like the overly emotional Roberta, the unintentional murderess far better. I choose passion over ice.
Can't wait to read the next Part.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:31:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:31:00 AM EST
Sara, our comments crossed.
I like the fact that opinions differ on Candela! It makes for good discussion...Lots of shades of grey here...
Diana
I like the fact that opinions differ on Candela! It makes for good discussion...Lots of shades of grey here...
Diana
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:34:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:34:00 AM EST
Sara- I liked Candela too because we saw her genuine love for Sever and her respect for Dominga. And also her very real heartbreak when she found out about Roberta and Sever. But with her plotting to get rid of the baby, and her pissy attitude when she learned Dominga had been caring for Aldonza while Roberta was on the verge of death after "losing" her baby, she lost major points with me. I did like that she let Dominga tell her off without firing her. We'll see what the time jump has done to her, but I suspect it's made her more cold.
As long as it's not 50 shades of Grey. Ha ha ha.
I like the contrast of fly by the seat of my red dress Roberta and the cold and calculating Candela. And maybe I like Candela because she's sticking it to Severed. He's an ass in my opinion.
I think the baby really was a girl though.
I like the contrast of fly by the seat of my red dress Roberta and the cold and calculating Candela. And maybe I like Candela because she's sticking it to Severed. He's an ass in my opinion.
I think the baby really was a girl though.
I'm ok with Candela's demand, love be damned you aren't touching me again, appearances matter more to her. She doesn't want to lose face.
I'll believe Roberta learned her lesson about Severiano when she leaves hospital and moves on.
I'll believe Roberta learned her lesson about Severiano when she leaves hospital and moves on.
Yeah. There is that pesky get rid of the baby thing. Major point deduction.
But I also liked that Dominga told her off and Candela didn't fire her. She really seems to respect Dominga.
But I also liked that Dominga told her off and Candela didn't fire her. She really seems to respect Dominga.
Yes tofie! I loved watching Severed's sniveling. "Please can I have some nookie?"
He seemed fine cheating on her but now that he can't have it, he wants it bad.
He seemed fine cheating on her but now that he can't have it, he wants it bad.
Tofie- Yeah, I'm thinking being ditched by Sever right after their baby "died" probably cooled Roberta's ardor for Sever. She mentioned to Roberta that she had the baby at home because Sever wanted to be present at their child's birth. Obviously she that this meant that he cared about her and their child. But it looks like it was all a plot by Sever and Candela to make sure he got his hands on that bastard child and could get rid of it right away. Roberta got played, big time, by Sever and Candela, with Candela's cousin the doctor as their accomplice.
Roberta now knows she means nothing to Severed, but I don't think she will ever move on. I think we're in store for a lot of bitterness.
Sara- I think her enjoyed nookie with Candela when he was having an affairl too. From the first few episodes we saw that he found his wife to be pretty hot too, but that didn't stop him from wanting something extra on the side. Now he's getting nothing from anyone. I guess he could have gotten other lovers over the years of the time jump. But if I were him, I'd never cheat again, as badly as this all ended. Lost arm. Two murders. Bastard baby. In the dog house, permanently.
Oh I'm sure he enjoyed his nookie with Candela. They definitely portrayed them as having a healthy sex life (as opposed to Roberta and Raymundo). I was just musing that he *really* wants it now. He even commented that no woman would want him now.
I'm going to hell because I am enjoying Sever's fate a little too much. He's getting showered with pre-anvils(™Corazón)
I'm going to hell because I am enjoying Sever's fate a little too much. He's getting showered with pre-anvils(™Corazón)
I think Roberta is a wonderful mental health therapist. Did you see how quickly Severed's distraught attitude about his amputation changed as soon as Roberta told Candela that she was knocked up with Severed's child?
David
David
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:10:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:10:00 AM EST
And if you don't mind Eli, I would like to thank you again. I know right now you have to jump through hoops to get the recaps done and I appreciate this part 1 space to discuss.
Oops. Forgot to say how much I enjoy your recaps, Eli. You have such an irreverent way of remembering things that is so enjoyable!
David
David
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:16:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:16:00 AM EST
I'll have to go back and watch that again, David. I was so focused on Roberta that I didn't notice Stumpy.
Timeline question - so Roberta was pregnant at Aldonza's baptism? She must have gotten pregnant very soon after her birth. I wish I knew when the affair began. I had the impression it had been over quite some time. (As in before the birth of the children.)
Timeline question - so Roberta was pregnant at Aldonza's baptism? She must have gotten pregnant very soon after her birth. I wish I knew when the affair began. I had the impression it had been over quite some time. (As in before the birth of the children.)
Going back to one of our earlier theories about Candela and Jeronimo, I think we can still speculate. When he walks into the chapel while she is praying (most likely cursing Sever and Roberta), she very formally calls him Padre Jeronimo. He's surprised she's being so formal with him- they grew up together, after all, he says. She then coldly says something like she assumes that has changed since he went away to the seminary.
Roberta also seems to feel that Jero abandoned Ray when he went off to the seminary. Seems like a lot of people were not happy with Jero joining the priesthood and leaving them- specifically Candela and Ray (or so says Roberta).
Roberta also seems to feel that Jero abandoned Ray when he went off to the seminary. Seems like a lot of people were not happy with Jero joining the priesthood and leaving them- specifically Candela and Ray (or so says Roberta).
I actually don't believe Roberta's assertion that Ray was bitter about Jero being gone and felt abandoned by his brother. Those are HER thoughts. I'm sure Ray really missed his brother, but the one thought bubble he had about his brother only showed us that he loved and missed him.
Sara, it seemed to me that Stumpy's attitude went from despair over his amputation to being terrorized over how Candela would react to the news about his affair with Roberta and the fact that she was carrying his child.
And, Candela didn't react very gracefully, either. She would not have made a good Kennedy wife.
David
And, Candela didn't react very gracefully, either. She would not have made a good Kennedy wife.
David
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:52:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:52:00 AM EST
Thank you Eli! This is beyond justice, my dear! What an impactful episode! Look forward to the other parts. Stumpy/Sever deserved every bit of what he's getting and more. I was a little disappointed not to see more of that righteous wrath Adelina showed the day Roberta murdered Ray. What the . .! Adelina's to blame for Ray's death and she took that?!
Look forward to the rest. Thanks, Eli!
Look forward to the rest. Thanks, Eli!
people like Roberta always push the blame off on someone..anyone..else . Their mantra is ''It's not MY fault.''
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 9:09:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 9:09:00 AM EST
Sara....It was good to see you first comment and know that someone else was up at 5.57 am.
Roberta is definitely not a proactive kind of gal who over plans..or plans at all. Yikes Watching her is like watching someone hurtling down a mountain with lots of trees along the path. I am not at all surprised that Roberta tried to push the blame for Ray's death off on her poor sister.
Roberta is definitely not a proactive kind of gal who over plans..or plans at all. Yikes Watching her is like watching someone hurtling down a mountain with lots of trees along the path. I am not at all surprised that Roberta tried to push the blame for Ray's death off on her poor sister.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 9:14:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 9:14:00 AM EST
susanlynn- I'm in the central time zone, too! (So for me it was 4:57.) How sad am I that the first thing I did after feeding cats was check for the recap?
I love that description of Roberta careening down a tree-filled slope!
I love that description of Roberta careening down a tree-filled slope!
WOW! Gracias, Eli! Watching the show and reading part 1 of the recap was a great way to start my day. Damn this is one dark show, and you sure did capture it well. Part 2 will be my reward for getting through my to-do list today.
The actors were all bringing it with the crying tonight. None of it was over-played, to me.
That episode had me feeling sorry for just about everyone. I will concede that all of them brought it on themselves, to some extent, with their own actions, but that only makes me enjoy this show more. There's no one that I have 100% negative or positive feelings for.
As much as Severiano is a total asshat, I still felt sorry for him once Candela started cracking the whip. He may be lousy when it comes to the women in his life, but I don't think he's totally heartless and whether the baby really is dead (I don't think so) or he had to give her away, there's no one he can talk to who's going to give him any sympathy.
And even though I feel like Adelina is the least to blame for all the crap that's gone down and doesn't deserve all the guilt people are heaping on her (both on purpose and inadvertently), she knows that letting Roberta have her way doesn't lead to anything good! But she keeps going along with it and doesn't seem to find her spine until AFTER things have gone wrong, which is incredibly frustrating to me.
So many layers! So much to discuss! And I agree, I'm glad we have differences of opinion.
The actors were all bringing it with the crying tonight. None of it was over-played, to me.
That episode had me feeling sorry for just about everyone. I will concede that all of them brought it on themselves, to some extent, with their own actions, but that only makes me enjoy this show more. There's no one that I have 100% negative or positive feelings for.
As much as Severiano is a total asshat, I still felt sorry for him once Candela started cracking the whip. He may be lousy when it comes to the women in his life, but I don't think he's totally heartless and whether the baby really is dead (I don't think so) or he had to give her away, there's no one he can talk to who's going to give him any sympathy.
And even though I feel like Adelina is the least to blame for all the crap that's gone down and doesn't deserve all the guilt people are heaping on her (both on purpose and inadvertently), she knows that letting Roberta have her way doesn't lead to anything good! But she keeps going along with it and doesn't seem to find her spine until AFTER things have gone wrong, which is incredibly frustrating to me.
So many layers! So much to discuss! And I agree, I'm glad we have differences of opinion.
Hmmm..I do not like most of these folks. ...except for Padre , Dom and her hubby and the foreman. Even Roberta's sister bugs me. She is so Chicken Little about everything, but that probably comes from cleaning up after Roberta all her life. Which is the older sister ? I like calm people.
I wonder what the history is between Dom and Candy . Candy puts up a lot from Dom.
I wonder what the history is between Dom and Candy . Candy puts up a lot from Dom.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 9:59:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 9:59:00 AM EST
Susanlynn- I assume Dominga has worked in Candela's house since was a little girl, and I believe she said so this episode.
How much do you all bet Adelina has spent a life time cleaning up after Roberta, taking the fall for her and being over looked as the sedate and sensible (boring) one while Roberta got all the attention for being vivacious and spontaneous! Those might have been endearing qualities at one point but, uh, right now it's NOT cute! Anyway, Adelina accepting the blame is probably her just falling into an old pattern of behavior. Sad. I hope we get to see her grow her spine back. I'm sure if anyone, including Roberta, tries to do any harm to Aldonza we'll see some SUPER spine!
Ooops, Susanlynn, I was doing my comment and working on other things . .didn't see yours before I posted! We're on the same wavelength about Adelina. I don't dislike her, I just want to see the Adelina that handled Roberta the night of the murder!
Kat, "There's no one that I have 100% negative or positive feelings for" - well stated.
There are many sinners here but any woman who would aid and abet in the abduction of a child is the lowest of the low. But, to actually plot and plan it is sickening.
Yes, Candela, I am looking at you. I think she and Sev were perfectly matched.
Diana
There are many sinners here but any woman who would aid and abet in the abduction of a child is the lowest of the low. But, to actually plot and plan it is sickening.
Yes, Candela, I am looking at you. I think she and Sev were perfectly matched.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:22:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:22:00 AM EST
I can't decide if Adelina is the oldest and that's why she takes care of everything or if she's the youngest and she was trying to be the "good" girl since she saw that Roberta caused her parents so much grief.
Vivi-I did NOT catch that Joaquin was the son of Dominga and Melesio. Thank you for that.
Vivi-I did NOT catch that Joaquin was the son of Dominga and Melesio. Thank you for that.
Did we actually hear Cande say "make sure the child is dead?" (I can't remember.)
Since we are all pretty sure the child is alive. Maybe she said, "get rid of the baby." Which to me is a little more vague. Maybe she just meant for Sev to take the baby to some orphanage.
Since we are all pretty sure the child is alive. Maybe she said, "get rid of the baby." Which to me is a little more vague. Maybe she just meant for Sev to take the baby to some orphanage.
So much to say and so little time before leaving for work.
Diana, I thought the entire birth scene and removal of the child was very powerful. I don't believe the child is dead and I think we can place a good bet that this child will show up in the future. My question is: I wonder who is going to raise this child?
Vivi in DC, yes, I caught that Joaquin is Dominga's son.
I LOVED that Dominga stood up to Candie. That took a lot of nerve given how Melesio was treated when he asked Severed if he was "ok". I loved, loved Melesio' s muttering under his breath!
SO...over the weekend, we thought that Humberto was at least an "ok" doc, but when the doctor in the hospital told Adelina that the doctor who had taken care of Roberta had REALLY botched it, it made me wonder two things: a) Is Humberto really that bad or b) did Humberto DELIBERATELY botch the job on Severed's instructions.
David, I LOVE, love your observations this morning. You are SO right. The minute Roberta dropped her bomb, Severed stopped thinking about his severed arm.
How stupid, stupid, stupid of Roberta to think that Severed really wanted to be there at the birth of the child. She blindly allowed something to happen that will impact so many lives in the future.
SO...I'd really like some group thoughts as to how we describe Roberta. Personality disorder? What? I think there is some pathology there.
Candela, honestly strikes me as someone who would have done very well running the Inquisition.
I look forward to reading everyone's thoughts tonight!
Please, please, TN "gods", DON'T mess this one up!
Fatima
Diana, I thought the entire birth scene and removal of the child was very powerful. I don't believe the child is dead and I think we can place a good bet that this child will show up in the future. My question is: I wonder who is going to raise this child?
Vivi in DC, yes, I caught that Joaquin is Dominga's son.
I LOVED that Dominga stood up to Candie. That took a lot of nerve given how Melesio was treated when he asked Severed if he was "ok". I loved, loved Melesio' s muttering under his breath!
SO...over the weekend, we thought that Humberto was at least an "ok" doc, but when the doctor in the hospital told Adelina that the doctor who had taken care of Roberta had REALLY botched it, it made me wonder two things: a) Is Humberto really that bad or b) did Humberto DELIBERATELY botch the job on Severed's instructions.
David, I LOVE, love your observations this morning. You are SO right. The minute Roberta dropped her bomb, Severed stopped thinking about his severed arm.
How stupid, stupid, stupid of Roberta to think that Severed really wanted to be there at the birth of the child. She blindly allowed something to happen that will impact so many lives in the future.
SO...I'd really like some group thoughts as to how we describe Roberta. Personality disorder? What? I think there is some pathology there.
Candela, honestly strikes me as someone who would have done very well running the Inquisition.
I look forward to reading everyone's thoughts tonight!
Please, please, TN "gods", DON'T mess this one up!
Fatima
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:24:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:24:00 AM EST
For those of you who watched Susana in Passion , she was told that her baby had died at birth, but the baby boy was alive and given to crazy Diana Castro.
Sara..Hub and I get up five days a week at 5.15 to go to our daughter's house to take care of her two little girls. However, you and Diana get up even earlier....a small comfort to me as I yawn and stretch and start to read the recap.
Sara..Hub and I get up five days a week at 5.15 to go to our daughter's house to take care of her two little girls. However, you and Diana get up even earlier....a small comfort to me as I yawn and stretch and start to read the recap.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:38:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:38:00 AM EST
Sara, Candela told Severiano to take care of the baby in exactly the way she told him to. I also feel the baby is alive and they're such liars, I think we can't count on it being a girl.
Fatima..Yes, I think that Roberta has some form of mental illness. I wish our Elna June was here to diagnose her. Now to identify some cakes to prove that I am not a robot.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:45:00 AM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:45:00 AM EST
Fatima, I agree, from the first night I thought Roberta was diagnosable! How's this?
Histrionic personality disorder People with this condition engage in persistent attention-seeking behaviors that include innapropriate sexual behavior and exaggerated emotions. They can be oversensitive about themselves and constantly seek reassurance or approval from others. Excessive need to be the center of attention, low tolerance for frustration, blaming others for failures are also characteristics of the histrionic personality. -
See more at: http://www.psychone.net/list-of-personality-disorders.php#sthash.pRE9cKd0.dpuf
Histrionic personality disorder People with this condition engage in persistent attention-seeking behaviors that include innapropriate sexual behavior and exaggerated emotions. They can be oversensitive about themselves and constantly seek reassurance or approval from others. Excessive need to be the center of attention, low tolerance for frustration, blaming others for failures are also characteristics of the histrionic personality. -
See more at: http://www.psychone.net/list-of-personality-disorders.php#sthash.pRE9cKd0.dpuf
I don't necessarily think Candela said "kill" the baby. But I think she said get rid of it, not caring how it was gotten rid of. I don't think she would care if that meant killing it. Just because she might not have given the kill order doesn't make her less despicable in my eyes for her part in this.
Lila said:
"Candela told Severiano to take care of the baby in exactly the way she told him to."
So it could be that she didn't order the DEATH of the child. Just the convenient disappearance of the child.
I know it really means nothing, but Candela seems pretty religious. I can't fathom she ordered the child killed. And yes, as I type this I am reminded of Bernarda from TdA.
I think Humberto was told to BOTCH the job. I know he misdiagnosed that child, but that's only one case. And misdiagnosing is surely a little different from complete incompetence. I mean...we don't have enough information to know if he's incompetent.
Also, I loved your diagnosis. It seems very spot on!
"Candela told Severiano to take care of the baby in exactly the way she told him to."
So it could be that she didn't order the DEATH of the child. Just the convenient disappearance of the child.
I know it really means nothing, but Candela seems pretty religious. I can't fathom she ordered the child killed. And yes, as I type this I am reminded of Bernarda from TdA.
I think Humberto was told to BOTCH the job. I know he misdiagnosed that child, but that's only one case. And misdiagnosing is surely a little different from complete incompetence. I mean...we don't have enough information to know if he's incompetent.
Also, I loved your diagnosis. It seems very spot on!
Stumpy gets Dumped. God, that made me laugh.
I haven't even read this yet, but geez these actors are tearing it up. They are great. I've only seen Alexis Ayala in Abismo, so I had no idea of what he can do. Alejandra Barros was also an unknown entity. She is GOOD... I hate Candela already more than I have ever hated an antagonista! Susanna Gonzales I knew was good, but wowza!
Dominga ( I will have to look her name up ) and Cynthia Klitbo bring something to every scene they are in.
Who else thought of Marlon Brando yelling "Stella!" when Sever was in the hospital bed yelling "Candela!!!"?
Sara- It's hard for me too, because I watch my recording of Quiero Amarte right before Sombra comes on. So I go right from seeing Alejandra B as sweet, sensible Juli, to seeing her being cold, calculating Candela. It's jarring.
I would hesitate to say Roberta has a personality disorder. So far, all the lies, the freak-outs, the impulsiveness, have always been about Severiano in some way. I need to see her in more situations that have nothing to do with him whatsoever before I'd be willing to go there. That's an important part of the criteria--that the behavior pattern happens in multiple areas of someone's life. So far, we haven't seen her have much of a life that doesn't have anything to do with him. If she had a job outside the house where she was a total drama queen and she lied to make herself look good and constantly cajoled coworkers into covering up her mistakes and flirted with all the guys and got huffy if the new delivery guy didn't pay any attention to her...but so far all we have is her obsession with Severiano, to the point where every time she's begging Adelina to understand, it's not about how Adelina should understand Roberta and what a terrible time she's having, but about poor Severiano and his wound and the loss of his arm. It's too much outward focus and too much attacking people vs. being very "me, me, me," and trying to charm everyone into liking her.
Young adult Aldonza is very pretty and the green dress looked lovely with her dark hair. I guess that she is going to be the exact opposite of her BSC madre.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:04:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:04:00 PM EST
Vivi at 11:45: Yes, I also thought of the Brando scream in Streetcar when Serveriano yelled Candeeeeeeeela!
I think the writers did too.
Sorry, but I think I am in the minority about last night's episode. I thought the acting both by Severiano and Roberta while screaming and thrashing about was a bit over the top. But then again they are both sort of wacky characters.
I think the writers did too.
Sorry, but I think I am in the minority about last night's episode. I thought the acting both by Severiano and Roberta while screaming and thrashing about was a bit over the top. But then again they are both sort of wacky characters.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:07:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:07:00 PM EST
Thanks, Sara. Guys, remember Adelina asked Humberto if was going to leave when Roberta still needed tending to. . . it was clear he knew that and also clear he had orders to just get the kid and get the hell out. I don't think medically he's incompetent. He's got the capacity to do good doctoring but his ethics are firmly in the crapper! He has actively violated "Do no harm!"
Good point, Diva. I have a feeling we'll see further behaviors that put her firmly in the camp of having a disorder even before Friday. . .it's going to be fun finding out when we can fully hang that label around her neck.
(The above comment is submitted in full awareness that mental illness is not a laughing matter but its portrayal in a fictional novela character is fair game.)
(The above comment is submitted in full awareness that mental illness is not a laughing matter but its portrayal in a fictional novela character is fair game.)
Thanks Eli, bunches,
Twist and turns so early on and I know so little bout these folks and befuddles tofie.
Padre Jerónimo - what's under that robe
Dominga - just cause you ain't pooped in a while doesn't mean I'll take your crap
Severiano - good thing she didn't have twins, I got only one arm
Humberto - gimme a break, last year I was the salad bar guy at sizzler
Adelina - first class on a guilt trip
Candela - screw up again, you'll lose another appendage
Twist and turns so early on and I know so little bout these folks and befuddles tofie.
Padre Jerónimo - what's under that robe
Dominga - just cause you ain't pooped in a while doesn't mean I'll take your crap
Severiano - good thing she didn't have twins, I got only one arm
Humberto - gimme a break, last year I was the salad bar guy at sizzler
Adelina - first class on a guilt trip
Candela - screw up again, you'll lose another appendage
Woo hoo! A tofie list.
Dominga's entry was my favorite with Candela's a close second.
Every time I see your lists I think of the Lord High Executioner in The Mikado.
Dominga's entry was my favorite with Candela's a close second.
Every time I see your lists I think of the Lord High Executioner in The Mikado.
tofie - not that I think you're an executioner. He just has a song called "I've got a little list" .
Good Morning y'all.
Thank you Eli for the enthralling first half.
"Candela is not stupid and asks "and why would she pin it on you if you've never had anything to do with her?" (Fave.)
Will be back in a bit.
Thank you Eli for the enthralling first half.
"Candela is not stupid and asks "and why would she pin it on you if you've never had anything to do with her?" (Fave.)
Will be back in a bit.
Sara, no qualifier needed, early in my professional career, some called me the hundred pound hatchet
Anon 12:07- I loved how over the top Sever and Roberta were on their respective sick beds. This is melodrama, and these are two melodramatic people having just experience some pretty melodramatic stuff. It's not everyday that you wake up to find your arm cut off, your wife and your lover fighting in your hospital room, and your freshly widowed lover announcing she's having your love child. It's also not everyday that you just give birth to your lover's child to have him waltz in, announce the baby is dead, barely give you a second glance, whisk the baby's body away without even letting you see it, and then have your doctor run out just as fast without providing any further medical assistance. Pretty crazy stuff!
So far I'm more intrigued with what lurks in the past between Padre Jerónimo and Candela. Sumpin's up with them.
Can't wait to see what emotional wear & tear Roberta shows
Can't wait to see what emotional wear & tear Roberta shows
Eli - Thank you for the recap! I can't wait to watch my recording of this episode.
susanlynn - " Watching her is like watching someone hurtling down a mountain with lots of trees along the path. "
This paints a perfect word picture in my mind.
tofie - your list is great!
I've been thinking Roberta is a narcissist, and possibly a sociopath? I wish we had a resident shrink here to diagnose!
susanlynn - " Watching her is like watching someone hurtling down a mountain with lots of trees along the path. "
This paints a perfect word picture in my mind.
tofie - your list is great!
I've been thinking Roberta is a narcissist, and possibly a sociopath? I wish we had a resident shrink here to diagnose!
But if she were a narcissist would she even care about Sever?
I can't quite see her as a sociopath yet.
I can't quite see her as a sociopath yet.
Eli, now I have read more than the title and can say great recap!
The childbirth scene was horrifying. Vivi, I'm with you, that was some over the top stuff they were responding to. Novela acting has its own esthetic and style, just like Kabuki theatre, US soap acting, 1930s movie acting, and sit com acting. They are very different. For me these people are good at what they do because I can feel the character right through the style.
Tofie, you make me laugh. Great list. I too have my suspicions about Padre G. and Candela. I have feeling that he will be safe from Sever because, a. He is so big, and b. Sever will find it hard to strangle anyone with only one arm.
I'm liking this soap so far for giving me a great background about the events and forces that shaped the characters. Did we ever ever get a glimpse of what caused Lorenza to be wicked in the show that shall not be named? No we did not. Here we are seeing Candela turned into something truly scary. I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a business acquaintance regarding a woman involved in a very ugly custody situation where the acquaintance said " I gave up swearing for Lent, but that woman is a c***!"
I'll throw in my opinion on Roberta, backed up by absolutely zero credentials. Borderline Personality Disorder. That's a great catch all tag, but I prefer bat shit crazy.
Amulets must be a thing with this producer. Didn't Elisa and Damian have amulets in Abismo?
The childbirth scene was horrifying. Vivi, I'm with you, that was some over the top stuff they were responding to. Novela acting has its own esthetic and style, just like Kabuki theatre, US soap acting, 1930s movie acting, and sit com acting. They are very different. For me these people are good at what they do because I can feel the character right through the style.
Tofie, you make me laugh. Great list. I too have my suspicions about Padre G. and Candela. I have feeling that he will be safe from Sever because, a. He is so big, and b. Sever will find it hard to strangle anyone with only one arm.
I'm liking this soap so far for giving me a great background about the events and forces that shaped the characters. Did we ever ever get a glimpse of what caused Lorenza to be wicked in the show that shall not be named? No we did not. Here we are seeing Candela turned into something truly scary. I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a business acquaintance regarding a woman involved in a very ugly custody situation where the acquaintance said " I gave up swearing for Lent, but that woman is a c***!"
I'll throw in my opinion on Roberta, backed up by absolutely zero credentials. Borderline Personality Disorder. That's a great catch all tag, but I prefer bat shit crazy.
Amulets must be a thing with this producer. Didn't Elisa and Damian have amulets in Abismo?
Eli---Your worried about doing a good job? We're only half way through and you've rocked it already.
She runs out of the hospital room leaving behind a distraught Severiano. Damn, I guess it's true, when it rains, it pours.
If I were Adelina I would have beaten her to death--not that I'm violent or anything.
How do you beat those lines?
Susanlynn---Dark and stormy. Right on both counts
WOW! Just half an episode and 75 comments. I can't ever remember this much action
Vivi---Two murders? I only know Roberta's husband.
Fatima---WOW! Candela would have done very well running the Inquisition. WOW again but you are right. Roberta the hot exploding volcano and Candela the Ice Queen, what a combo. It's no wonder most of us are on the edge of our seats thus far.
Another young and beautiful Latin goddess--Aldonza. How many more like her are waiting to be sent down to earth?
Ok, we all know that there will be a hot romance at some time in the future between Aldonza and Cristobal but---what part will Roberta's/Severiano's new baby play in this mix?
the gringo
She runs out of the hospital room leaving behind a distraught Severiano. Damn, I guess it's true, when it rains, it pours.
If I were Adelina I would have beaten her to death--not that I'm violent or anything.
How do you beat those lines?
Susanlynn---Dark and stormy. Right on both counts
WOW! Just half an episode and 75 comments. I can't ever remember this much action
Vivi---Two murders? I only know Roberta's husband.
Fatima---WOW! Candela would have done very well running the Inquisition. WOW again but you are right. Roberta the hot exploding volcano and Candela the Ice Queen, what a combo. It's no wonder most of us are on the edge of our seats thus far.
Another young and beautiful Latin goddess--Aldonza. How many more like her are waiting to be sent down to earth?
Ok, we all know that there will be a hot romance at some time in the future between Aldonza and Cristobal but---what part will Roberta's/Severiano's new baby play in this mix?
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 2:41:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 2:41:00 PM EST
Gringo- Did you already forget about the murder of Padre Sixto?
Who was murdered for nothing, now that Roberta herself spilled the beans to Candela-- the whole reason Sever strangled him to keep him quiet.
Who was murdered for nothing, now that Roberta herself spilled the beans to Candela-- the whole reason Sever strangled him to keep him quiet.
Great Part 2, Eli! Thank you. Loved your right on target comments.
I don't know what Adelina was doing in her home town that she can drop so easily, but I'm just glad that she didn't leave Aldonza alone with Roberta!
Gringo- Don't know what part he/she will play, but as long as Aldonza's and Cristobal's mutual sibling doesn't fall in love with either one of them, then it's all good. He/she is only a year younger than Aldonza and Cris.
I don't know what Adelina was doing in her home town that she can drop so easily, but I'm just glad that she didn't leave Aldonza alone with Roberta!
Gringo- Don't know what part he/she will play, but as long as Aldonza's and Cristobal's mutual sibling doesn't fall in love with either one of them, then it's all good. He/she is only a year younger than Aldonza and Cris.
Fabulous part 2 Eli! Like Vivi, I liked the commentary especially "see this is how unhealthy relationships start off."
Thank you!
Thank you!
It should be noted that Adelina lied to Jeronimo that they buried the baby with Raymundo. He was about to ask some very pointed questions that would rip apart the logic of just how, why, and when they did this, but she shut him up by guilt tripping him about supporting Roberta at this hard time. I wonder if over the years he's asked himself questions from time to time. He could open Ray's tomb and check...
Dominga and Melesio having their little chat as they prayed about how all of this just doesn't add up was funny. I bet these two know a LOT of secrets.
Dominga and Melesio having their little chat as they prayed about how all of this just doesn't add up was funny. I bet these two know a LOT of secrets.
Oh yes Vivi---the padre that Severiano murdered because he couldn't be bribed or bought off.
Things are moving so fast in this one that it's hard to keep up.
There has been a lot of talk about Susana and I know that she isn't the only actress doing her best. But, if at sometime in the future Ms. Gonzalez goes South and turns out a less than stellar performance, I think that I will sink into a state of depression.
Must see tv tonight.
the gringo
Things are moving so fast in this one that it's hard to keep up.
There has been a lot of talk about Susana and I know that she isn't the only actress doing her best. But, if at sometime in the future Ms. Gonzalez goes South and turns out a less than stellar performance, I think that I will sink into a state of depression.
Must see tv tonight.
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:21:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:21:00 PM EST
Ok. My question about Adelina lying about where the baby is buried--Why did she do it? Vivi were you saying that where the baby was buried would keep Jeronimo from asking more questions?
And will Roberta exhume the remains and then wander around for episode after episode with a big bag of rocks? Just kidding.
LN- I am enjoying the actress who plays Dominga as well. She was in MPV, wasn't she? And Cynthia Klitbo is one of my faves.
Fatima-I really enjoyed watching Melesio mumble and grumble. You know, I really didn't like this actor in TdA, but I have grown to really enjoy him in other roles. I think he was just used as filler in TdA and that's why I had negative feelings.
And will Roberta exhume the remains and then wander around for episode after episode with a big bag of rocks? Just kidding.
LN- I am enjoying the actress who plays Dominga as well. She was in MPV, wasn't she? And Cynthia Klitbo is one of my faves.
Fatima-I really enjoyed watching Melesio mumble and grumble. You know, I really didn't like this actor in TdA, but I have grown to really enjoy him in other roles. I think he was just used as filler in TdA and that's why I had negative feelings.
Sara- Both Roberta and Adelina think Sever took the baby and buried the remains somewhere. But since Jeronimo has no idea about the role Sever played in all of this and that he was the father of the baby, he asked Adelina where the baby's body was. Since who would expect to oversee the burial of his "niece", Adelina lied to him and said they had already buried the baby with Ray. Jero was mighty confused about why they had done this (and was likely about to ask when they had done it), but Adelina shut him up from asking further questions by saying they needed to focus on Roberta.
So, no. Roberta knows her baby isn't buried with Ray and won't be carrying around a purse full of rocks :). But Jero might from time to time ask when the heck Roberta and Adelina had time to bury the baby with Ray between the time she gave birth and when they took Roberta to the clinic.
So, no. Roberta knows her baby isn't buried with Ray and won't be carrying around a purse full of rocks :). But Jero might from time to time ask when the heck Roberta and Adelina had time to bury the baby with Ray between the time she gave birth and when they took Roberta to the clinic.
Sara- Adelina lied because they don't want anyone to know that Severiano took the baby, remember only a few people know that he was the father. If Adelina had said something I'm sure everything would have come to light.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM EST
Also, both the doctor and Jero wanted to know why Roberta chose to have the baby at home and not in the clinic. The answer, of course, was so that her lover/baby-daddy could be at the delivery (i.e. steal the baby) without the general public knowing he's the father. But Adelina couldn't very well say that.
Ah ok. I remember wondering why she was lying about it. I didn't see the point, but yes that makes sense about him being the one to oversee the burial.
Stuff happens so fast that I often don't have time (or take the time) to think beyond the face value of the words. Not to mention Spanish isn't my first language.
Stuff happens so fast that I often don't have time (or take the time) to think beyond the face value of the words. Not to mention Spanish isn't my first language.
Oh. And I forget that Viewerville has a lot more info than the characters.
Vivi - I meant to tell you that it would be very hard for me to watch Juli and Candela back to back.
Vivi - I meant to tell you that it would be very hard for me to watch Juli and Candela back to back.
People who know Sever and Roberta had an affair and a baby: Sever, Roberta, Adelina, Candela, Humberto.
People who know the baby isn't dead (we know this will be the case): Sever, Humberto, Candela.
People who know Sever had something to do with Ray's death/Ray had something to do with Sever's arm: Sever, Roberta, Adelina, Candela.
People who suspect Sever had something to do with Ray's death/Ray had something to do with Sever's arm: Humberto, Dominga, Melesio.
People who know Sever murdered Padre Sixto: Sever, Humberto, Roberta.
People who know the baby isn't dead (we know this will be the case): Sever, Humberto, Candela.
People who know Sever had something to do with Ray's death/Ray had something to do with Sever's arm: Sever, Roberta, Adelina, Candela.
People who suspect Sever had something to do with Ray's death/Ray had something to do with Sever's arm: Humberto, Dominga, Melesio.
People who know Sever murdered Padre Sixto: Sever, Humberto, Roberta.
Lila, re:mental illness and TNs... And don't forget, if they do intended for her behavior to fit a diagnosis, they'll let us know by having her see a professional and get treatment... For the wrong thing! Because on TNs there is only one doctor, one lawyer, one cop, and if anyone has a mental illness it's "Bipolar"
I have to say, being productive instead of hanging out with y'all all day is not at all satisfying.
I have to say, being productive instead of hanging out with y'all all day is not at all satisfying.
Only 3 more hours!
We've missed you, Diva. I hope you don't have to be productive tomorrow! Things looked good in the avances, too!
Hopefully not too OT- our protagonista got a Mejor Actriz Juvenil nomination in the sketchy TV Y Novelas awards. It was for El color de la pasión. (A program I hope they decide to air in the US.)
We've missed you, Diva. I hope you don't have to be productive tomorrow! Things looked good in the avances, too!
Hopefully not too OT- our protagonista got a Mejor Actriz Juvenil nomination in the sketchy TV Y Novelas awards. It was for El color de la pasión. (A program I hope they decide to air in the US.)
Thanks, Diva, yah. . .prolly bipolar but I bet they just let her be baaaad Roberta!
Poor Aldonza, looks like her mom's rep is going cause her a few problems.
Man, 95 comments. Y'all are off the chain!
Oh yes, thank you Eli! Superb recap! Thank you!!!!
Poor Aldonza, looks like her mom's rep is going cause her a few problems.
Man, 95 comments. Y'all are off the chain!
Oh yes, thank you Eli! Superb recap! Thank you!!!!
That was an abrupt time leap, but I thought it was clever that we see the amulet placed on the picture frame and then grownup Aldonza is shown picking it up and putting it on. I recall a tn in which the 4 kids jump into the water and come out all grow up. I stopped watching that one.
I like that this tn is on early before The Voice and before I get drowsy.
I like that this tn is on early before The Voice and before I get drowsy.
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 4:33:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 4:33:00 PM EST
I thought it was abrupt too, but then you reminded me about Abismo and the kids jumping into the cenote.
Didn't they do a similar time jump with PSMA? Young Aranza blowing out candles and old Aranza stands up. Or am I thinking of the opening credits.
Oh, meant to say I like the song for this one.
Didn't they do a similar time jump with PSMA? Young Aranza blowing out candles and old Aranza stands up. Or am I thinking of the opening credits.
Oh, meant to say I like the song for this one.
Eli - This was awesome. Thanks so much.
What an episode. I'm loving this TN.
Can't wait to see what happens tonight.
What an episode. I'm loving this TN.
Can't wait to see what happens tonight.
Eli, this is a fabulous recap! What a wild ride so far, and you keeping us out of the ditch with your clear recounting of events.
Tofie, your list just cracked me up. Loved every item on there!
Lots of great analysis here with so many comments.
As with Roberta and Adelina here, Cameron Diaz and Toni Collette played two sisters, one wild and one strait-laced, in the movie "In Her Shoes." The more responsible one had always tried to take care of the reckless one until things reached the breaking point.
Tofie, your list just cracked me up. Loved every item on there!
Lots of great analysis here with so many comments.
As with Roberta and Adelina here, Cameron Diaz and Toni Collette played two sisters, one wild and one strait-laced, in the movie "In Her Shoes." The more responsible one had always tried to take care of the reckless one until things reached the breaking point.
Finally got to read the second half. Gracias tanto, Eli! I appreciate your work, and oh yes you did do it justice!
Sara- Yep. You're correct about how they did the PSMA time jump. We should start thinking about and listing our favorite big time jump transitions. I liked this one, and how Adelina put the scapular on the photo of happy Roberta, Raymundo and baby Aldonda, and then grown up Aldonza taking it off and putting in on.
That picture makes them look like a happy family. I'm curious to find out what Aldonza has been told, 'cause that picture tells an incomplete story.
Eli, part 2 was as good as your first.
Again, seeing Roberta give birth and the aftermath was almost unbearable to watch. How could Sev and Candela have planned this monstrosity?
Did Humberto deliberately make it so Roberta cannot have more children?
So many unlikeable characters but oh the drama!
OT, La Paloma, In Her Shoes is one of my favorite movies.
Diana
Again, seeing Roberta give birth and the aftermath was almost unbearable to watch. How could Sev and Candela have planned this monstrosity?
Did Humberto deliberately make it so Roberta cannot have more children?
So many unlikeable characters but oh the drama!
OT, La Paloma, In Her Shoes is one of my favorite movies.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:39:00 PM EST
: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:39:00 PM EST
Can you imagine if she grew up with nothing but that picture and no other information about her parents?
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