Tuesday, February 24, 2015
La Sombra del Pasado #6 on Tuesday, February 24th, 2015. "Mama Say Mama Saw Mama Coosaw"
WORD OF THE DAY CALENDARS AND NICKNAMES FOR EVERYONE!
Aldonza- Donnie, Al, 'Za (the 'Za baton has been passed down damnit!)
Cristobal- Crissie, The Yummy One, Apple Dumpling/Pandowy (that last one depends on how horny I am :3)
Candela- Candie, Final Jeopardy, Head Bitch (on the SS Zatarain)
Severiano- One-Arm-Severed, Sev, Skidmark (on the highway of society)
Prudencia- Prudie, PrudiePie, CaraDeMiel, Cougar
Humberto- BertiePerty, Hummer, Hummie
Valeria-Val, Bowel, Maleria
Adelina- Addie, Lina,
Roberta- RobbieDearest, Anti-MILF, Debbie,
Melesio- Mel, Les, Sio
Dominga- Dommie, Ming, 'Ga, Omin
Emmanuel- Manny, Emmie
If any characters have been forgotten, list them in the comments. Now on with the show!
We begin our day of the night in Santa Lucia where my favoritist character Candela is itching to protect her son at all costs. It's him and her against the world bebe!
Aldonza sure is a charmer. She wants to find a job but Auntie Adelina sweetly says "Fiddlesticks" to that. That sure as hell doesn't stop Charming Donnie though! We got ourselves a go-get-'er!
Candela sure is a lovable pill; she wants Dominga to butt out of her everything but
Donnie has met her friend Lola and they're off to meet the work-a-day world.
Roberta, our lovable thot-zilla, has rolled out of bed asking about her daughter. She gets the memo the girl has gone out to find work unlike her mother who has let herself become a thot-zilla.
Lola ia encouraging Aldonza to step out of her comfort zone because they need the money to thrive.
Adelina has grown a spine over the years; she lets Roberta know what kind of a thot-zilla she hasn't paralelled from being over the years.
Prudencia (who for modesty's sake shall be named Prudie) is practically salivating a manantial over her hottie doctor husband Bertie when Aldonza and Lolita come in seeking employment. Lola says that Aldonza would like to apply for the secretary job when Prudie snarls a snarky one at her. Lola defends Donnie and after a throwing back to Prude, the girls leave Prude to stew.
Addie and her ranch-hand Joaquin talk about the ranch and them; Addie politely gives him the slip but lets him know something can be done.
Aldonza and Lola are debating about Prudie. Al calls her a witch and Lola defends her (which side are you on?) They talk then make separate ways when Severiano in his one-arm-glory pops out and much like Prudie did over Hummie, salivates his very own manantial over Aldonza.
One-Arm-Severed has come in to see Hummie. They talk about Hummie's social status; he's well-respected as a doc.
Aldonza catches RobbieDearest making out with the help.
Aranza-whoopz, I mean Valeria is on her tablet while PrudiePie is ranting, raving and bewitching us all with her bitchery. To get her to shut up, Val tells her to chll out.
Aldonza pretty much tells RobbieDearest where to stick a fireman's hose because everyone shuts their doors in her face. This results in a huge smack to Donnie's face.
Dominga and Lola talk about Roberta, Aldonza and PrudiePie. Dominga tells Lola to quit asking so many questions and help her peel the potatoes
Donnie has gone to see FatherGerry because of her one sided altercation with Robbie.
LeonardoTomas and Abelardo want to get a piece of Aldonza and follow her all the way to the manantial. They manhandle and grind against her do when our sexy-in-pink galan Cristobal comes to her rescue.
Addie gets on Robbie for being such a damn mess and Robbie insults Addie which leaves her with her mouth open.
In a bar, he who was once Rolando Klunder overhears Tommie and Abbie's conversation.
Cristobal drops Donnie home when Emmanuel (Rolu Klunder) shows up and brings up RobbieDearest in a negative tone and you hear that? That is Aldonza's berserk button being pushed. She is TIRED of being verbally scathed!
Cristobal's home! Everyone hugs and loves him (even Dommie and Melesio.)
Addie and Donnie have a girl chat.
ValBrat is leaving when Emmie comes in and Hummie salutes him while PrudiePie dismisses him. Hum scolds PridePrude for not being nice to Emmie.
Candie and Crissie talk about his return.
Addie has been given the verbal equivalent of the death note (bitches be trippin'.)
PridePrude and Lola give Crissie a warm (and wet kissie) welcome
Mel tells Sev about something bad having happened that needs his attention which gives Crissie the chance to go see Donnie almost skinny dip in el manantial.
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Gracias for the recap CorazonSalvaje(; This show just keeps moving right along.
I agree, Aldonza's a firecracker, alright! And yep, Severiano was totally checking her out, the lech.
I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline...does anybody remember what year it said on Raymundo's cross? And here we have Valeria futzing around on a tablet (no doubt updating her Facebook status to "Hottie's home! I'm on the prowl!") and a flatscreen in the living room.
Did they say who Emmanuel is, other than living with Humberto's family and I guess, running errands for Humberto? Is he possibly the allegedly-dead baby? I would have guessed it was Valeria, but Prudencia made that "she takes after me" remark, so I guess not.
That was pretty crappy of Roberta to have mortgaged the ranch already, flaked on the payments, and not bothered to tell her sister, when Adelina's the one who's been trying to run the place. Having Severiano get that call from the bank right at the end, after Adelina had gone to the bank earlier in the day makes me wonder if the banker was calling to give him first dibs on Roberta and Raymundo's place. Or even just a heads-up that now would be a good time to try to buy them out before they foreclose. Or, Sev being Sev, he's been in collusion with the banker and that has something to do with why the financial situation is as bad as it is.
I agree, Aldonza's a firecracker, alright! And yep, Severiano was totally checking her out, the lech.
I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline...does anybody remember what year it said on Raymundo's cross? And here we have Valeria futzing around on a tablet (no doubt updating her Facebook status to "Hottie's home! I'm on the prowl!") and a flatscreen in the living room.
Did they say who Emmanuel is, other than living with Humberto's family and I guess, running errands for Humberto? Is he possibly the allegedly-dead baby? I would have guessed it was Valeria, but Prudencia made that "she takes after me" remark, so I guess not.
That was pretty crappy of Roberta to have mortgaged the ranch already, flaked on the payments, and not bothered to tell her sister, when Adelina's the one who's been trying to run the place. Having Severiano get that call from the bank right at the end, after Adelina had gone to the bank earlier in the day makes me wonder if the banker was calling to give him first dibs on Roberta and Raymundo's place. Or even just a heads-up that now would be a good time to try to buy them out before they foreclose. Or, Sev being Sev, he's been in collusion with the banker and that has something to do with why the financial situation is as bad as it is.
Thanks Corazon for getting this up so quickly.
We learned quite a few things tonight:
- Candela has hidden Cris away in Spain for years to keep him away from Sever, and likely Roberta and Aldonza too.
- Sever pays Doc Humberto a monthly stipend, and Emmanuel was raised by Humberto and Prudencia, against Prudencia's will. Any guesses about whose child he is? Hmmm...
-Doc Humberto seems to be liked and respected by everyone. But not his wife.
- Roberta has secretly mortgaged the hacienda. What has she been doing with the money? How will they save the hacienda now?
-Roberta has a lover. That guy was not a servant. He looked well to do, and Aldonza had no idea who he is. I wonder who he is and if she has other lovers?
-Adelina has taken the reins running the hacienda with Joaquin all these years. What does Roberta do with all her time?
- Poor Joaquin has been carrying a torch for Adelina all these years. Poor guy.
-Dominga and Melesio had another child (other than Joaquin) who died and left them their orphaned granddaughter, Lola who is BFF of Aldonza and friends with Cristobal.
-Cris does not want to breed horses for a living. That really ticked off Sever.
-Adelina wants Aldonza to go to college and not work to support them. That really ticked off Roberta.
We learned quite a few things tonight:
- Candela has hidden Cris away in Spain for years to keep him away from Sever, and likely Roberta and Aldonza too.
- Sever pays Doc Humberto a monthly stipend, and Emmanuel was raised by Humberto and Prudencia, against Prudencia's will. Any guesses about whose child he is? Hmmm...
-Doc Humberto seems to be liked and respected by everyone. But not his wife.
- Roberta has secretly mortgaged the hacienda. What has she been doing with the money? How will they save the hacienda now?
-Roberta has a lover. That guy was not a servant. He looked well to do, and Aldonza had no idea who he is. I wonder who he is and if she has other lovers?
-Adelina has taken the reins running the hacienda with Joaquin all these years. What does Roberta do with all her time?
- Poor Joaquin has been carrying a torch for Adelina all these years. Poor guy.
-Dominga and Melesio had another child (other than Joaquin) who died and left them their orphaned granddaughter, Lola who is BFF of Aldonza and friends with Cristobal.
-Cris does not want to breed horses for a living. That really ticked off Sever.
-Adelina wants Aldonza to go to college and not work to support them. That really ticked off Roberta.
Kat- The grave marker said 1988.
Yep. I'm sure the bank manager is colluding with Sever to get Roberta's land. He knows Roberta would refuse any offer he made. She said so to Adelina. This is the only way to get his hands on Sanctuario.
Yep. I'm sure the bank manager is colluding with Sever to get Roberta's land. He knows Roberta would refuse any offer he made. She said so to Adelina. This is the only way to get his hands on Sanctuario.
Vivi, that whole mess with the hacienda is...well, it's a mess! Did the nice man at the bank waive paperwork requirements for Roberta, 'cause I can't imagine that filling out the forms and bringing in titles and talking about interest rates is her strong suit. And even though Joaquin is saying that they've been doing worse and worse since Raymundo died, I still want to know what exactly is it that's been going badly? Why? And why is it now so bad they can't fix it? It's a little fishy.
I like Lola! She was funny when she was making Cristobal turn around in the kitchen so she could check him out.
I like Lola! She was funny when she was making Cristobal turn around in the kitchen so she could check him out.
Vivi, 1988, that's what I thought. Mr. 5ft is looking up tablets to try to figure out how early this could potentially be taking place...2010. I gather that Cristobal is finishing up or has finished his education, but I don't know what that means to them--4 year degree? Graduate school? And what the heck did he major in that this is the first time he's told Severiano he doesn't want to raise horses. I guess if he was studying agriculture or business administration, that might not have raised any suspicions.
What *does* Roberta do all day? Hang out with dudes, I guess. She's certainly not cooking, cleaning, raising her daughter, running the hacienda. She did a great job with her makeup and that nice updo, so there's that. I guess Roberta is in the Roberta business.
What *does* Roberta do all day? Hang out with dudes, I guess. She's certainly not cooking, cleaning, raising her daughter, running the hacienda. She did a great job with her makeup and that nice updo, so there's that. I guess Roberta is in the Roberta business.
Yeah. Lola is fun and she and Aldonza are a trip together. I also loved how she made Cris do that little turn and how comfortable they are together. They were just getting into a good gossip session about his meeting with Aldonza when Sever interrupted. I like how Cris is kind of flirty and tried to invite himself for coffee at Aldonza's house after he walked her home.
I don't get why the orchard is doing so badly either and what extra cash could do to help the situation. Having Roberta skimming off the profits all these years and mortgaging the place for her own whims wants help the situation though. What the heck is she spending money on? Cigarettes? Red lipstick?
I don't get why the orchard is doing so badly either and what extra cash could do to help the situation. Having Roberta skimming off the profits all these years and mortgaging the place for her own whims wants help the situation though. What the heck is she spending money on? Cigarettes? Red lipstick?
Typo: Won't help the situation.
I got the feeling that both Cris and Aldonza were just finishing secondary school, since Aldonza hasn't had a job yet and was talking about going to university in the capital. But who knows.
I got the feeling that both Cris and Aldonza were just finishing secondary school, since Aldonza hasn't had a job yet and was talking about going to university in the capital. But who knows.
Red dresses! She had another one on at the end of the episode. If they ever come up with a "textea YO QUIERO a..." to get whatever she's wearing at the moment, I'd be broke, too! And then I'd have to get all prettified to do those dresses justice.
Cristobal can't have been away in Spain for THAT long and still have this great relationship with Lola. Or maybe that's just the power of Lola. Or the power of Cristobal. He did a very good job of being flirty without crossing the line into creepy.
I'm sure the orchard situation isn't mismanagement, because Joaquin seems to know what he's doing. Maybe he can't get all the supplies he needs or the quality he needs because Roberta's wearing the money? Or he can't hire enough workers?
Cristobal can't have been away in Spain for THAT long and still have this great relationship with Lola. Or maybe that's just the power of Lola. Or the power of Cristobal. He did a very good job of being flirty without crossing the line into creepy.
I'm sure the orchard situation isn't mismanagement, because Joaquin seems to know what he's doing. Maybe he can't get all the supplies he needs or the quality he needs because Roberta's wearing the money? Or he can't hire enough workers?
They both seem a little mature, but then I always forget that the school systems are different, so they would be older.
There was a lot of talk about what Candela allows for Cris's vacations from school. Seems he does come back for vacations, but in general she tries to limit his time back, or tries to limit Sever's time with him by making Sever make excuses for why he can't go visit him in Spain. In any case, those short vacations at home might have been enough to foster a friendship with Lola, who was in the same house. But it doesn't seem that he was allowed to hang with anyone else outside the house/hacienda.
That was hilarious that he surprised them with a visit home so his dad couldn't make excuses to avoid a vacation to Spain when all that time Candela's been forcing him to make the excuses because she doesn't want to vacation with Sev. It's just sad. All that micromanaging him so he does exactly what she wants sounds exhausting!
I remember in Teresa, she and her friends were in "prepa" that went a bit beyond typical high school age here in the US, but happened before they went into the professional degree programs at university that is shorter than our university programs in the US. So they could be between the typical end of high school age, and end of college age.
Thanks so much CorazonSalvaje!
Was I the only one who almost had a heart attack when Prudencia referred to Aldonza as "Gata"? Shades of the show that shall not be named.
What was up with Emmanuel leaving the bar as soon as heard that Cristobal had returned?
Aldonza is sassy. I like that. I loved how she stood up to Prudencia.
Can't wait until tomorrow night.
Was I the only one who almost had a heart attack when Prudencia referred to Aldonza as "Gata"? Shades of the show that shall not be named.
What was up with Emmanuel leaving the bar as soon as heard that Cristobal had returned?
Aldonza is sassy. I like that. I loved how she stood up to Prudencia.
Can't wait until tomorrow night.
Lol, Mauricio, I must have tuned her out...or I was distracted by how amazing she looks with that shorter hairstyle.
I thought that was what Emmanuel was reacting to, as well, the two guys saying Cristobal was back...and then he runs to go check on Aldonza. Because...? And then he even tells her, all excited "Guess who's back in town." and that didn't make sense, either. Maybe Cristobal has become this town's Bigfoot and he's just reporting that there's been a sighting :p
I thought that was what Emmanuel was reacting to, as well, the two guys saying Cristobal was back...and then he runs to go check on Aldonza. Because...? And then he even tells her, all excited "Guess who's back in town." and that didn't make sense, either. Maybe Cristobal has become this town's Bigfoot and he's just reporting that there's been a sighting :p
Is anyone else worried that Emmanuel is sweet on Aldonza? If he is who he seems to be, that's disturbing. Or they could just be good friends, like Lola and Cris. I hope so. Prudencia seems to feel he has the hots for Valeria, and he did seem to take a real interest in Val as she was leaving the house. That's pretty strange too, if they grew up in the same house. Although obviously Pru never let him forget that he's NOT family.
Vivi, I always thought of "prepa" as a combination of high school and a 2-year degree. So they could be pushing their early 20's.
Yes, Vivi, Emmanuel seems to be getting set up to be the male BFF who gets all huffy when the protagonista falls for someone else. We always seem to have one. *sigh* There's never a male BFF standing on the bride's side at the wedding...or a female BFF on the groom's side, for that matter.
It seems like it was just big exciting news that the son of the richest family in town was back after a long absence. Plus, add to it that Aldonza's and Cris's families are mortal enemies, and I guess that makes it run tell that kind of news that Emmanuel wanted to share right away.
And yet, somehow, surprisingly, Aldonza is still asking her aunt *why* exactly they're mortal enemies and doesn't believe it's just about Severiano wanting El Santuario...but either nobody in town knows the truth, or they're not talking.
Aldonza, aka Juliet, was asking Adelina a lot of questions about the family feud, and it didn't make sense to her that all this hate is just because Sever is trying to buy their land. She doesn't know why she and Cris, aka Romeo, have to carry around the same hate and resentment. Of course, this comes about after she has met her gallant handsome Romeo.
Unless you want a verbal or physical slap down, don't talk about Aldonza's mother. Yo mamma jokes would NOT go over well with her.
I admire that she has no illusions about her, though. She's not saying "How dare you, my mama's a saint!" she's just, "I don't want to hear it anymore!"
CorazonSalvaje: Thanks for getting this recap up super fast! Much appreciated, and I think you came up with a few new nicknames to boot.
I thought Lola was the stolen baby that was given to Dominga to raise...but that actually doesn't make sense because Candela would have gotten suspicious.
Can't believe Adelina has been giving Joaquim the stiff-arm all these years, he seems so nice.
I'm glad we are in fast forward mode and focusing more on the "kids". The parental generation was wearing me out!
J in Oregon
I thought Lola was the stolen baby that was given to Dominga to raise...but that actually doesn't make sense because Candela would have gotten suspicious.
Can't believe Adelina has been giving Joaquim the stiff-arm all these years, he seems so nice.
I'm glad we are in fast forward mode and focusing more on the "kids". The parental generation was wearing me out!
J in Oregon
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: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:38:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:38:00 AM EST
This recap is awesome! Thot-zilla, lmao.
I read a synopsis a couple weeks ago when Univision announced they were running it after "La ****" and it described Aldonza as "shy." Um, no... but I like her so far. The name Aldonza was weird for me at first but it kinda grew on me. It sounds regal and pretty.
I read a synopsis a couple weeks ago when Univision announced they were running it after "La ****" and it described Aldonza as "shy." Um, no... but I like her so far. The name Aldonza was weird for me at first but it kinda grew on me. It sounds regal and pretty.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:26:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:26:00 AM EST
Too early for all those nicknames - makes it too confusing, especially since the character names are so similar (Aldonza, Adelina, Donnie, Dominga, etc). (IMO)
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:16:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:16:00 AM EST
Thank you for the recap. I turned in early last night and it was nice to have it this morning!
My theory about the baby got shot to hell last night. I should always listen to Vivi, lol.
I think our leads are going to be OK. There is something about Michelle Renaud's voice that I like. Sort of low and warm. Not high and thin. I'm weird.
My theory about the baby got shot to hell last night. I should always listen to Vivi, lol.
I think our leads are going to be OK. There is something about Michelle Renaud's voice that I like. Sort of low and warm. Not high and thin. I'm weird.
Thanks CS. ValBrat. yep.
It seemed to me Emmanuel is sweet on Aldonza but the feels not reciprocated and he could actually be the dead baby girl. Which makes him the half brother of both Christobal & Aldonza, whew.
Doesn't anyone respect private property?
Cristobal - Urban Cowboy
Candela - gotcha, you smiled, once
Humberto - no way she's gettin a credit card
Emmanuel - the British are coming!
Prudencia - let's get you ready for the little miss pageant
Valeria - Honey Boo Boo
Severiano - bring me that wench
Roberta - I can still get in that little red dress
Aldonza - well, it's either Humbertos office, Starbucks or Walmart
It seemed to me Emmanuel is sweet on Aldonza but the feels not reciprocated and he could actually be the dead baby girl. Which makes him the half brother of both Christobal & Aldonza, whew.
Doesn't anyone respect private property?
Cristobal - Urban Cowboy
Candela - gotcha, you smiled, once
Humberto - no way she's gettin a credit card
Emmanuel - the British are coming!
Prudencia - let's get you ready for the little miss pageant
Valeria - Honey Boo Boo
Severiano - bring me that wench
Roberta - I can still get in that little red dress
Aldonza - well, it's either Humbertos office, Starbucks or Walmart
Oh OK. Emanuel is being played by Alex Sirvent. I didn't know who Rolando Klunder was. I had to look that up.
I definitely got the idea that he is sweet on Aldonza. Or at least over-protective.
I definitely got the idea that he is sweet on Aldonza. Or at least over-protective.
PS- Corazón, do you mind putting in the page break? I know it's not a requirement, but it's for courtesy. The Telemundo and QA posts often get bumped off the front page, but I've noticed when we all use well-placed page breaks (usually after the second paragraph) those two posts stay on the front page most of the week.
Good morning, all.
CS..Thanks for the speedy recap.
Well...Roberta is still rocking a red dress and still crazy after all these years.(Shout out to Paul Simon and our beloved Mads.) Does she buy a new red dress every year ? Imagine the possibilities...sequins, spaghetti straps, tulle, boatneck....
"The Slap''...It looks like Aldonza is the designated pinata. Roberta gave her a good one , and advances showed her getting another from Cris's unhappy madre..stay away from my precious boy.
As for the financial troubles of then hacienda of gloom and doom, raising fruit and vegetables has many problems...pests, disease, too much rain, too little rain, too hot, too cold, etc. My dad raised potatoes and corn , and every year was a challenge. I remember talk of ''blight'' and ''corn smut.'' Farming is so dependent on things completely out of your control , so this might not be a case of sabotage or mismanagement.
CS..Thanks for the speedy recap.
Well...Roberta is still rocking a red dress and still crazy after all these years.(Shout out to Paul Simon and our beloved Mads.) Does she buy a new red dress every year ? Imagine the possibilities...sequins, spaghetti straps, tulle, boatneck....
"The Slap''...It looks like Aldonza is the designated pinata. Roberta gave her a good one , and advances showed her getting another from Cris's unhappy madre..stay away from my precious boy.
As for the financial troubles of then hacienda of gloom and doom, raising fruit and vegetables has many problems...pests, disease, too much rain, too little rain, too hot, too cold, etc. My dad raised potatoes and corn , and every year was a challenge. I remember talk of ''blight'' and ''corn smut.'' Farming is so dependent on things completely out of your control , so this might not be a case of sabotage or mismanagement.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:41:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:41:00 AM EST
Corazon, thank you for the recap - great title.!
Kat and Vivi, I learned a great deal through your comments. Thank you to both of you as I am struggling a bit here to keep up.
So Emmanuel is living with Dr. Death although we don't know his origins or his true familial ties although we suspect he may be the missing child.
I am very enthused about Aldonza - I liked her character immediately. I've not seen the actress before but am impressed - she seems natural and real.
I'm not surprised the ranch is in financial ruin. It appears Roberta has a full time job making out with a stable of studs and chain smoking. How could she possibly fit anything else in?
tofie, your "Candela - gotcha, you smiled, once" made me laugh. Ice, ice, baby.
J in Oregon, Joaquim is indeed very nice and it is a shame Adelina puts everyone else above herself.
Diana
Kat and Vivi, I learned a great deal through your comments. Thank you to both of you as I am struggling a bit here to keep up.
So Emmanuel is living with Dr. Death although we don't know his origins or his true familial ties although we suspect he may be the missing child.
I am very enthused about Aldonza - I liked her character immediately. I've not seen the actress before but am impressed - she seems natural and real.
I'm not surprised the ranch is in financial ruin. It appears Roberta has a full time job making out with a stable of studs and chain smoking. How could she possibly fit anything else in?
tofie, your "Candela - gotcha, you smiled, once" made me laugh. Ice, ice, baby.
J in Oregon, Joaquim is indeed very nice and it is a shame Adelina puts everyone else above herself.
Diana
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:41:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:41:00 AM EST
Oh and about Adelina. Just as some grow weary of the best male friend pining away for the protagonista, I get so tired of the long suffering family member (usually an aunt) that sacrifices having a life for the niece/nephew. And not just that, puts up with heaps of abuse. Drives me nuts.
Diana, like you, I am struggling with this. The weird names, the fast dialogue last night, and the introduction of many words that I am not familiar with made this especially difficult for me.
Susanlynn, yeah, agriculture can be a tough thing to handle because of all the uncontrollable variables, as you mentioned. However, Roberta is always shown getting her "ego" stroked rather than going over the books or inspecting the fields.
Aldonza wears a short dress with style and grace.
5ft and Vivi, your back and forth comments added a lot of texture for me. I enjoy your insight so much.
Thanks, CS. This episode set up lots of dominoes to fall down in the future.
David
Susanlynn, yeah, agriculture can be a tough thing to handle because of all the uncontrollable variables, as you mentioned. However, Roberta is always shown getting her "ego" stroked rather than going over the books or inspecting the fields.
Aldonza wears a short dress with style and grace.
5ft and Vivi, your back and forth comments added a lot of texture for me. I enjoy your insight so much.
Thanks, CS. This episode set up lots of dominoes to fall down in the future.
David
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:08:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:08:00 AM EST
In addition to the dialogue being fast, it's often fraught with emotion. That always makes it hard for me.
Time jumps throw me off a little too because they are trying to explain everything that has happened over the years and there's so much information.
Time jumps throw me off a little too because they are trying to explain everything that has happened over the years and there's so much information.
Something I forgot to ask. Last night Severiano and Candela exchanged "a look" while Cristobal was hugging Melesio. Did I miss a line that explained that look or was it just a "Oh god he's hugging the servidumbre" look?
Diana..Like you, I immediately liked Aldonza, and I have never seen this actress before.
I think that the actress playing Val was Aranza in PSMA. She ended up with Pablo Lyle even though she dallied with his unattractive psychpath of a father. Speaking of Pablo, he is maturing and growing even more guaypo. I like the whiskers, the hat, and the white horse..wow.
I think that the actress playing Val was Aranza in PSMA. She ended up with Pablo Lyle even though she dallied with his unattractive psychpath of a father. Speaking of Pablo, he is maturing and growing even more guaypo. I like the whiskers, the hat, and the white horse..wow.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:22:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:22:00 AM EST
I especially enjoyed the scene in which Roberta and Adekina are throwing the dustrag back and forth. I am sure Rob was wondering "What is this thing?'' Because I am pretty sure that Rob has never done a lot of dusting.
tofie. I LOVED your list..too many favorites to list. You crazy and on fire this morning. Thanks for the laughs with my breakfast..a great start to my day. Well, off to teach "Technology Competes for Family Time''(looking in the mirror here) and global business.
tofie. I LOVED your list..too many favorites to list. You crazy and on fire this morning. Thanks for the laughs with my breakfast..a great start to my day. Well, off to teach "Technology Competes for Family Time''(looking in the mirror here) and global business.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:26:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:26:00 AM EST
Yes, Val is Aranza from PSMA and as much a little entitled princess. Noticed that Pablo Lyles voice difference, perhaps he just trying to convey confidence and authority with this character, as Esteban, in PSMA, had a horrible inferiority complex.
Oh, yes, I also loved the rag throwing. Little details like that speak volumes about the characters and the relationships
Oh, yes, I also loved the rag throwing. Little details like that speak volumes about the characters and the relationships
So...we appear to have our love triangle..or rather our love rectangle...Pablo, Aldonza, Val, and Emmanuel. Here we go, with parental units prodding or objecting to various matchups. And..more swimming....and beautiful horses. I love both Severed elegant black horse and Cris's symbolic white steed.
David, I think that the reason Aldonza looked respectable in her lovely green dress was because it had some volume . It was not one of the short, skintight numbers we saw in LM on the both the hos and the nonhos.
David, I think that the reason Aldonza looked respectable in her lovely green dress was because it had some volume . It was not one of the short, skintight numbers we saw in LM on the both the hos and the nonhos.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:59:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:59:00 AM EST
Sara- I think the look exchanged between Sever and Candela over Cris's head was about their little charade of playing a happy couple. They weren't expecting him, and they weren't expecting to have to pretend that they are happily married and that they actually smile at each other from time to time.
David, thank you. At least I know I'm not the only one having difficulty understanding everything amidst this rapid fire pace.
susanlynn, yes it was good seeing "Aranza" and it appears she is well cast here. Pablo is indeed guapo! Your "Technology Competes for Family Time' sounds intriguing!!
Diana
susanlynn, yes it was good seeing "Aranza" and it appears she is well cast here. Pablo is indeed guapo! Your "Technology Competes for Family Time' sounds intriguing!!
Diana
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:24:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:24:00 AM EST
I see Adelina a bit differently than others. I don't see her as a self sacrificing doormat at all. She doesn't take Roberta's crap. She calls her out and gives as good as she gets. If she stayed, it was for Aldonza. And thank god she did! And then she didn't just sit around wringing her hands. She took CHARGE of the hacienda, and I'm sure has earned the respect of the workers. She took charge again with the recent financial situation, only to find out Roberta has basically stolen her daughter's patrimony. She cooks cleans, provides love and guidance to Aldonza, on top of the hacienda management. You know what that makes her? An awesome, working, single mother...with an annoying moocher roommate (Roberta).
Agree Vivi and Aldonza admitted Adelina more a mother to her than her own and she really did love Raymundo.
Thanks for your take on "the look" Vivi. It makes more sense now. Also, I like your explanation of Adelina. It's got me thinking.
susanlynn-I loved the whole visual of Severiano and the black horse. He was all in black. The GORGEOUS horse was black and had quite the strut as they pranced away.
I'm not even a horse person and I hope we see more and more horseys! (Which means I hope Cristobal decides to continue in the family business.)
susanlynn-I loved the whole visual of Severiano and the black horse. He was all in black. The GORGEOUS horse was black and had quite the strut as they pranced away.
I'm not even a horse person and I hope we see more and more horseys! (Which means I hope Cristobal decides to continue in the family business.)
I don't understand why Sever doesn't get himself an artificial arm. Surely money would not be an issue.
Also, I'm having trouble figuring out how good a doc Humberto is. He apparently was shunned in his previous town due to some mistake, and he seems to have botched Roberta's delivery to the point that she can't have any more children, but he seems to be a respected practitioner now.
David
Also, I'm having trouble figuring out how good a doc Humberto is. He apparently was shunned in his previous town due to some mistake, and he seems to have botched Roberta's delivery to the point that she can't have any more children, but he seems to be a respected practitioner now.
David
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 11:18:00 AM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 11:18:00 AM EST
Did we ever come to a consensus as to whether Dr. Humberto purposely botched the job or was just incompetent. I can't remember and I'm too lazy to go back and read the comments.
Sara, how about...the truth is somewhere in-between? He's a competent doctor, but either not an expert at delivering babies or completely under Sev's thumb? I don't think there is an answer...though having Severiano sort of cackling about how that poor woman won't ever have another baby and Humberto looking kind of shamefaced points to him doing SOMETHING on purpose, even if it was as mild as not coming right out and telling Adelina to get Roberta to the clinic right away vs. what he did tell her, which was to go to the clinic "if" she had problems. I think he knew something was wrong or was going to go wrong and instead of sticking around to help or saying anything about it, he just got the hell out of there and...what? hoped she'd figure it out on her own? Would that be considered "botching"? Passive botching?
Thank you, Corazon!
Great comments, I'm liking this! Sara, I got the impression his technical doctoring skills are good but he botcched the delivery at the orders of Sever. I think it would have suited Sever just fine if Roberta had died in childbirth as well as the baby. Of course, I don't think the baby is dead. Between Lola and Emmanuel, I think the baby is Emmanuel. He seems a little socially awkward. His running to tell Aldonza that Cristobal was back in town was a little weird. I thought he was going to try to stake his claim or some such on Aldonza's affections but no, seems he wanted to be the first one to tell him that Cristobal was back. We shall see.
Diva, any thoughts to day on the Histrionic personality disorder I proposed yesterday, or shall we give her til the end of the week?
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Great comments, I'm liking this! Sara, I got the impression his technical doctoring skills are good but he botcched the delivery at the orders of Sever. I think it would have suited Sever just fine if Roberta had died in childbirth as well as the baby. Of course, I don't think the baby is dead. Between Lola and Emmanuel, I think the baby is Emmanuel. He seems a little socially awkward. His running to tell Aldonza that Cristobal was back in town was a little weird. I thought he was going to try to stake his claim or some such on Aldonza's affections but no, seems he wanted to be the first one to tell him that Cristobal was back. We shall see.
Diva, any thoughts to day on the Histrionic personality disorder I proposed yesterday, or shall we give her til the end of the week?
:D
Sara/Kat, if Humberto did anything regarding Roberta deliberately, either through omission or action, he is guilty. I don't suppose we will ever know the exact truth.
Diana
Diana
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:55:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:55:00 PM EST
Diva, I was writing mine before I saw yours. I like your theory as well. I guess I feel like he is a more active botcher for not advising Roberta as he should have, if indeed that is what he did, and for leaving early when even Adelina knew see needed attending. Good technical stills with poor to zero ethics makes for a dangerous botcher or butcher which he's willing to become at Sever's behest. Roberta probably won't be his last hatchet job!
I'm even less convinced she has HPD. But I can't back that up because I don't have access to the current version of the DSM and it hasn't been out long enough for anyone to put the full criteria online. She has some of the characteristics, yes, but there's an overall quality of charming the pants off everyone (uh, not just the dudes!) that she's missing. She's too grumpy and abrasive and not concerned enough with winning people over to her side. She did do the mortgage thing, which is impulsive and at least takes that behavior into another area besides Sev. And we joked about Bipolar yesterday, because they just loooove to use that one, even when it doesn't fit...but it actually is listed as something to consider rather than HPD, because when someone is in a manic phase, they will display a lot of the same impulsive, hyper-sexual, attention-seeking behaviors. So the key is to look for a pattern both over time and in different areas of life. For me, her behavior is not quite severe (ha!) enough for either. Sometimes bad people are just bad people. But there's a long way to go yet and plenty more to see from her, I hope!
J, I'm sure Joaquin will wear Adelina down, eventually...maybe when she stops feeling like she has to watch over Aldonza. I can hope.
tofie, with the hotly contested Santuario in play, I'm surprised there wasn't even a gate put up. I think I saw a dinky little fence, but that was it.
Susanlynn, I am a sucker for those red dresses. And thanks for the farming info. I could see where things just happen and Joaquin is doing his best, but there's too much he can't control.
Diana, thanks. It's a lot to keep up with and they just keeeeep packing it in.
David, thanks. I laughed at your comment about Roberta's ego. I'm not sure she even realizes they have fields. Or books.
tofie, with the hotly contested Santuario in play, I'm surprised there wasn't even a gate put up. I think I saw a dinky little fence, but that was it.
Susanlynn, I am a sucker for those red dresses. And thanks for the farming info. I could see where things just happen and Joaquin is doing his best, but there's too much he can't control.
Diana, thanks. It's a lot to keep up with and they just keeeeep packing it in.
David, thanks. I laughed at your comment about Roberta's ego. I'm not sure she even realizes they have fields. Or books.
Good points, Diva! You won't believe it but yesterday after you said that bipolar is the favorite novela disorder one of the characters on Quiero Amarte wondered out loud if the leading lady was bipolar! There ya go!
Lila- I didn't take that comment in QA to really mean that Juli thought Amaya was seriously bi-polar, just that she thinks she's nutty to be showing such vastly different character traits. I think even in English we joke about a person being bi-polar (which is insensitive) when we think they are acting weird. Now, if someone starts suggesting that Amaya should be on meds or see a doctor for her bi-polar condition, then it would count. :) I think that's the situation over on MCET with one of the characters.
Hahaha...every single time! On "House" it's never Lupus and on Telenovelas it's always "Bipolar". I wonder if there's anyone sitting in the writer's room who's looked at a DSM or who has some personal experience, trying to say "no, wait, that's not how it works!" and beating their head on the desk because no one will listen. It's silly, because there are so many diagnoses to choose from and different presentations of each one, but instead of doing the work they just say "eh, we'll say s/he is bipolar and have them go to a psychiatrist and get some pills and half an hour after they take the first pill, they'll be fine."
Vivi--are you talking about Jimena? That is one of the BEST portrayals of what BPD is like that I've ever seen. (Though, the "going to rehab" part didn't make a lot of sense.) They did a good job of showing how the mood swings aren't connected to anything, as opposed to a lot of the other portrayals where the mood swings are in response to events.
Kat- Yes. Jimena. I haven't been watching that one for a while, but saw a lot of complaints about how her condition was being treated by the writers. Glad to hear that they actually did get it right.
I'm finding "passive botching" and "active botcher" rather funny.
It's always odd to me that novelas often act as PSA's yet at the same time they send almost harmful messages when it comes to mental health.
It's always odd to me that novelas often act as PSA's yet at the same time they send almost harmful messages when it comes to mental health.
Oh no, Vivi! I didn't either. Juli was just shocked at the flip between cold, calculating Amaya that appeared after she married Cesar with the warm, loving, caring mother and soulmate of Max. I remember that Juli and Elo first had doubts about the reality of ice queen Amaya when they witnessed her reaction to the Vale smackdown!
Oops! For a minute I forgot this is not the QA board!
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Oops! For a minute I forgot this is not the QA board!
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Thanks, Sara, can't take credit, it's a battle cry for a group that fights vigorously for full inclusion in society for people with disabilities!
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Whether Hum was a botcher or an intentional butcher, he was definitely unethical , compassion less, and inhuman to just leave a woman hemorrhaging like Roberta was. That was truly an awful and sickening scene.
Permalink posted by : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:55:00 PM EST
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:55:00 PM EST
I agree, Susanlynn, he's Sever's private butcher even though he may be setting bones and delivering other healthy babies, he's a hired hack! Bah!
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