Friday, October 16, 2015
Yo No Creo En Los Hombres, #68 Thu 10-15-15: The One Where the Protag Shoots Herself in the Face and Blows Everyone Else's Life Up Right Along with Her Own
You guys, I might have to stop recapping. Because I’m so done with MD, I might have to kill her.
Recap of Ursula reminding MD that they can test the baby to see if it’s half reptilian. Then, practically in one breath, she threatens to harm the baby or take it from MD to raise it (which is the same thing, now that I think about it). MD glances at Dan, surely wondering how the one time she didn’t just ignore the cat call turned into this nightmare. She slowly walks out, in case she incites the nest of vipers to strike, vowing silently to protect her baby.
“She’s lying.”
Well, of course she's lying. Everyone in House Santibanez agrees, except for Mal, who delusionally wants to believe that MD is, as she puts it, a whore. The first chance she gets, she calls Max to tell him MD’s having Julian’s baby. Max basically rolls his eyes, tells her to stop calling him to try to badmouth MD, and hangs up. Mal tells Dan and Ursula, while they’re laying the couch. (Dan’s picking his feet and Ursula’s playing with his hair. It’s gross.) They discuss how MD’s lie will blow up in her face with all of the Bustamantes. Ursula mentions that Claudio told her he still doesn’t trust MD, so this will just confirm things for him. Mal wishes she could be there to see their faces when they hear she’s pregnant with Julian’s child. She watches her mother and Dan with an interesting mix of resentment, disgust and jealousy. (Man, Sophie Alexander's really winning me over.)
While waiting to take the medical tests (why are they dressed in scrubs?), Claudio tells Alma about his visit to Josefa’s…kind of. He says he gave Josefa a check because Alma asked him to help the Morales’ out (financially). Espy saw and “misinterpreted” the gesture. Lovely. Now Alma thinks Espy’s a gossipy shrew who leaps to outrageous and unflattering conclusions about people at the slightest hint of anything. Alma actually thanks Claudio for remembering to do this. Gag.
Leo and Clara have a sweet scene in which she encourages him to move home rather than stay with Max because time with parents is limited and we never know how much of it we have with them.
Everyone surprises Julian with the office party (and a bigger office!). The priest, Honoria, Leo, Clara, Espy, Doris, Jenny and Adrian are all there. Max wheels Julian in, but is interrupted by Mal’s phone call. When he comes back to the party, he looks at Julian very differently. His parents come, as well as Isela and Josefa, who acts like she’s besties with Alma. Isela says she loves Alma like a second mother. Alma explains to Espy that she and Claudio were trying to support the Morales’, but Claudio’s not very subtle. Espy gently tells her they’re not the kind of people to take financial gifts easily. She returns the money, but thanks Alma for the gesture.
Josefa’s pissed off because Espy doesn’t take handouts (“she thinks she’s so great” blah blah blah). Isela tells her she should learn from Espy and should have refused the check. They’re saying awful things about Isela now (what is she talking about? Who is "they"? I don’t think Hono or Espy have said more than a few words to her since she moved out of the Vecindad and those have been kind, right?) Josefa thinks it’s fixed now that Claudio made up that story even though both she and Isela agree that only Alma believes it 100%.
While Josefa goes to the bathroom, Doris confronts Isela, telling her that if she loves Alma like a second mother, she’s got one heck of an Electra complex to be sleeping with Claudio. Isela spits back that Doris just thinks that because she can’t live under the same roof as a man without sleeping with him, just like she’s doing with Orlando. She tells her she’s pretty bare-faced too, to be doing that and inviting Ari to the party. Yup, Ari just showed up behind Doris. Isela leaves and Doris asks wth Ari’s doing there. He says he’s there for Julian. Both Doris and Leo tell him he’s got some nerve showing up when they all know he was sleeping with Mal while she and Max were together. Max notices them and tells Ari they’d be settling things differently if they weren’t at this party. But they are, so they don’t make a scene and Ari stays.
MD finally shows up. She already looks guilty and scared. She tells Max they have to talk, but then Jenny calls for a start to the ceremony. Julian comes over to take MD’s hand. He holds it during the blessing, along with Jenny’s hand, while Max looks on jealously.
Isela drags MD into the bathroom to ask what happened. She didn't call Max and she lied to Espy so that no one would find out what happened. MD thanks her (Ugh!!! MD and Alma should be best friends!) and tells her that Jacinto took her to Daniel and his family threatened to take the baby from her. Isela is horrified. Josefa listens at the door, gleefully.
Away from MD, Isela calls Mal and tells her she’s out of the game. She won’t be a part of something this horrible; even she has her limits. Mal tells her to shut it and do what she’s told. Isela hangs up and runs into her other boss, Josefa, who tells her to call Mal back and get back on track. Isela’s fed up with her vengeance. “Now I know you never loved me. You didn’t love Marta either, or you wouldn’t have made her steal.” Josefa’s shocked; how can she say such a thing? Isela reminds her that when she called Isela in front of Hono and Espy, she said she’d have cut off a hand before asking (forcing) Marta to steal and the same goes for pressuring Isela to bed Claudio. Well, she’s absolutely doing the second, so who’s to say she didn’t do the first? Josefa says that’s just illogical; why would she force her daughter to steal then plot for years to get vengeance on someone else? (Um, cuz you’re a crazy, bitter nutcase?) She tells Isela that she has to help Mal or Claudio will have won: he’ll have not only stolen one child from her, but also ruined her life and the life of her other daughter.
Isela returns to the bathroom and asks MD to forgive her. It looks like she’s about to confess, but instead she apologizes for freezing when Jacinto was kidnapping her. MD hugs her and tells her it’s not her fault.
Gerry’s trying to tell Ivana that someone named Nunez wants to know if they have someone lined up to replace Jacinto, but she’s distracted because Max hasn’t called her back to talk about her testifying against Daniel. Maybe she should call him-? Gerry gives her a look that’s half pity, half “you’re obsessing” and she cuts herself off to pay attention.
Adrian goes to get alcohol so they can toast the office-warming because Jenny didn’t buy any. MD wonders if they should tell him Jenny can’t drink. Isela stops her and then Max asks her to come say bye to his parents.
Ari subtly flirts with Alma, talking about fruits and proteins and burning off calories with intense…exercise. Isela interrupts to tell Alma that he’s Mal’s tennis coach. The lightbulb goes off in Alma’s head just as Claudio gets her to say goodbye to Max and MD. Isela’s onto his game, and Ari admits it: she can take care of the duke while he takes care of the duchess. Isela says she now gets why Doris dumped his butt. Ari hustles Doris off to a quiet area and demands to know why Isela told him that Doris left him for Orlando. Doris finally bursts out that she wishes Orlando did love her so she could say that were true! But no, Orlando would never betray Ari like that. Though, she adds sadly, how much of a betrayal would it be since Ari never really loved her anyway.
The guys that killed Rudolfo find a drunk Fermin stumbling around. They tell him they’re going to kill him and chase him through the alleys. On the train tracks, they cut him, but some other guys appear, pull them off and chase them away.
At the Horror House, Mal traps Jacinto in the office to try to find out why he was following MD, but Jacinto’s not talking (why is she asking? Ursula told her point blank that she made Jacinto follow MD, right?). Mal leans on the door to the room while Jacinto watches her from several feet away. Then she begins to scream bloody murder and bang on the door! “Help, Mama! Jacinto’s touching me!” At first Jacinto panics, but then he casually tosses himself into her dad’s chair and tells her that if Ursula fires him, she’d have to fire Arango too because Jacinto knows what’s going on between Arango and Maleny. But in any case her mom’s the only one in the snake pit with fangs enough to effect change, so she’s the only one he’s going to listen to. Mal spits on his worthless, gross self and Jacinto fresks out. He grabs her face and screams at her to never even think about doing that again! Then he kisses her on the lips! She’s horrified. So am I: her mom never came to check on her. No one did.
Jenny and Honoria are super pleased with how the celebration’s going…until Adrian shows up with alcohol. Julian tries to take it from him but Jenny grabs the bag before he can. Honoria goes to help her and has to take the bottles from Jenny’s hands repeatedly. Jenny’s breathing in the smell like it’s ambrosia and she's having such a hard time that she’s actually sweating. And shaking. She successfully pours the drinks for everyone, but can barely take her eyes off the bottles for the rest of the night.
Mal meets with Medina. She asks him to monitor MD’s pregnancy without letting her know that Mal’s behind it.
In the free clinic, Fermin hysterically babbles that he needs to get to his son because he’s in danger.
The Bustamantes are saying goodbye to Julian, who thanks them for everything they’ve done for him: setting him up in this office, paying the rent until they started to earn their own capital (reminding us all of how much Julian’s burgeoning success is due to the Bustamantes…). Before they leave, Espy and Alma try to pin down a time for the Formal Engagement Dinner. MD evades, but Josefa interrupts loudly that they should cancel it all! It’s disgraceful that MD trying to trap Max when she knows she’s carrying Julian’s child!
Everyone jumps in to tell Josefa to shut up with her lies. They’re talking over each other until MD says “Enough!” I’ve never wanted a protag to have a pregnancy swoon more, but no such luck. Instead MD says it’s true. She’s having Julian’s baby. “I knew it!” Claudio says. He starts to disparage MD, but Max tells him to stop before he says something he’ll regret. He hustles MD out of the room.
In his office, Max shows incredible restraint. He seats MD in a chair and asks what’s going on. He correctly guesses what’s up and says that if she’s carrying Dan’s child, it’s ok. Dan raped her, so it’s normal to think it’s a possibility. Besides, Mal called to tell him about the pregnancy. MD reminds him that the Santibanezes have wanted to steal her child for a while, he told her so himself. But they can’t. Because it’s not Dan’s. For a second, happiness starts to blossom on Max’s face. “So it’s mine...” "No," Md says, like she’s deliberately trying to remind herself of the nightmare situation she’s in. “No. Because we used protection.” Max knocks over a chair in a fit of frustration, but then kneels beside her gently and asks why she’s doing this to him?! He’ll be the father of her child, regardless of it’s biologically Dan’s. He swears they can raise the baby together and he’ll love him or her as if the child were his own. No! MD insists. Julian is the father!
Back in the party room, everyone’s freaking out. Josefa smiles with satisfaction at the mayhem she’s caused while Isela explains that she went with MD to the doctor to confirm the pregnancy. Espy almost passes out. Max bursts back into the room and heads straight for Julian. He asks for the truth. MD bows her head, waiting for Julian to save us all from this ridiculous nightmare.
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Gracias Hellashelle! It was about time till MD screwed herself over . The Reptiles are stronger at lying than MD, MD cannot play the Game of Thrones. MD is a very confused person that does a lot of harm to people by trying to be always on her own often causing to lie to others or including innocent people in her unintended lies. She does not let herself to be weak. Dan will certainly not believe the lie about Julian being the father because he underestimates and loathes him. I wonder if he would feel threatened if Max was mentioned as the supposed father instead of Julian.
Alright y'all. Sorry that took so long, I was so upset last night that I had to take a break after watching the episode and I ended up falling asleep.
Im so MAD at MD right now!!!! Tofie, I might have to set up camp at your table right now because I cannot understand WTF she's doing! How- HOW -does this help anyone?! She's exploding Julian's main professional support system (which means Hono's tambien), plus whatever romance might be blossoming for him knowing full well that she'll never be able to love him the way he loves her. She's breaking Max's heart, risking Clara's relationship with Leo, re-burning the already impossibily fragile bridge they were all trying to build with the Bustamantes. She almost gave her mom a heart attack either way, not to mention the ENTIRE FAMILY'S reputation. Plus her and Dori's business since she knows Ivana thinks she's pregnant too and will now think she lied to her. And the truth about Dan raping her is going to come into this too, otherwise she's going to completely exonerate him. And again, making it harder for real victims to tell their story by making them look like liars!! AUUGGGHHH!!! TO WHAT END?!!!! Ursula already said they're going to ask for a DNA test, so even if she thought they'd leave her alone in that first moment of panic when she blurted his name, it should be clear now that they'll demand proof.
I'm done. I'm just done with her. This is absolutely the dumbest, most selfish thing I've ever seen a protag do. Hands down.
Im so MAD at MD right now!!!! Tofie, I might have to set up camp at your table right now because I cannot understand WTF she's doing! How- HOW -does this help anyone?! She's exploding Julian's main professional support system (which means Hono's tambien), plus whatever romance might be blossoming for him knowing full well that she'll never be able to love him the way he loves her. She's breaking Max's heart, risking Clara's relationship with Leo, re-burning the already impossibily fragile bridge they were all trying to build with the Bustamantes. She almost gave her mom a heart attack either way, not to mention the ENTIRE FAMILY'S reputation. Plus her and Dori's business since she knows Ivana thinks she's pregnant too and will now think she lied to her. And the truth about Dan raping her is going to come into this too, otherwise she's going to completely exonerate him. And again, making it harder for real victims to tell their story by making them look like liars!! AUUGGGHHH!!! TO WHAT END?!!!! Ursula already said they're going to ask for a DNA test, so even if she thought they'd leave her alone in that first moment of panic when she blurted his name, it should be clear now that they'll demand proof.
I'm done. I'm just done with her. This is absolutely the dumbest, most selfish thing I've ever seen a protag do. Hands down.
Just about to dive into this recap, Hellashelle. But before I do, just wanted to alert you that this was episode 68.
Oh boy, Hellashelle I'm with you but you had to keep everything between the lines and for that many thanks.
“She’s lying.”
"Max shows incredible restraint"
"(reminding us all of how much Julian’s burgeoning success is due to the Bustamantes…)"
"Espy almost passes out"
The title of this TN is wrong and should be Yo no creo en las mujeres
Sorry, but I blurted out bitch when MD confirmed to the crowd Julian was the father. Thankfully as I stewed, Mr. tofie reminded me, while these characters can be real idiots they are not real.
That fool in love Max got a lot to learn yet. Max makes decisions with he and MD at the forefront and MD makes decisions with her baby's father top of mind.
Feel really bad for Julian, MD just shot his burgeoning business in the head but of course she didn't consider that and knows with a sit down, a little cry and an I'm sorry, Julian will roll over.
For someone who has a mother with a weak heart, MD and her ex bf are gonna kill the poor woman with these blind side revelations. I thought getting thrown out of her own house would do it.
“She’s lying.”
"Max shows incredible restraint"
"(reminding us all of how much Julian’s burgeoning success is due to the Bustamantes…)"
"Espy almost passes out"
The title of this TN is wrong and should be Yo no creo en las mujeres
Sorry, but I blurted out bitch when MD confirmed to the crowd Julian was the father. Thankfully as I stewed, Mr. tofie reminded me, while these characters can be real idiots they are not real.
That fool in love Max got a lot to learn yet. Max makes decisions with he and MD at the forefront and MD makes decisions with her baby's father top of mind.
Feel really bad for Julian, MD just shot his burgeoning business in the head but of course she didn't consider that and knows with a sit down, a little cry and an I'm sorry, Julian will roll over.
For someone who has a mother with a weak heart, MD and her ex bf are gonna kill the poor woman with these blind side revelations. I thought getting thrown out of her own house would do it.
Gracias, Hellashelle. This episode was maddening. BTW, it was #68, so you might want to change that.
I guess that MD thinks she's protecting Max, but she's really screwing herself in all this. Nothing will protect anyone from those reptiles and their pit bull (Jacinto). We can only hope that Julian tells the truth tonight. But will anyone believe it? And Jenny fell off the wagon big time. That may be a point of no return.
The evil ones are holding all the cards at the moment and it's too soon for them to be playing them against each other seriously.
Hosefa was running true to form. She was waiting for an opportunity to stab MD's rep again.
How did Rudolfo's killers get out of jail?
I guess that MD thinks she's protecting Max, but she's really screwing herself in all this. Nothing will protect anyone from those reptiles and their pit bull (Jacinto). We can only hope that Julian tells the truth tonight. But will anyone believe it? And Jenny fell off the wagon big time. That may be a point of no return.
The evil ones are holding all the cards at the moment and it's too soon for them to be playing them against each other seriously.
Hosefa was running true to form. She was waiting for an opportunity to stab MD's rep again.
How did Rudolfo's killers get out of jail?
OK. Now I have read your excellent retelling of last night's enraging events. Thank you Hellashelle! You showed much restraint in describing how MD just blew up a whole lot of people's lives. I totally understand why you had to wait a while to write the recap.
I have been more sympathetic to MD than many, but last night, she lost me. I echo your rant and Tofie's rant. ITA! Couldn't agree more.
I kept thinking, I need to HEAR from MD's own mouth why she is doing this. How does she think it's better to tell everyone and the Santibanez that the father of her baby is a poor, handicapped accountant, instead of a rich, powerful LAWYER, who could you know, actually protect her physically and legally from the Santibanez? And, oh yeah, happens to be her FIANCE!!!
I have been more sympathetic to MD than many, but last night, she lost me. I echo your rant and Tofie's rant. ITA! Couldn't agree more.
I kept thinking, I need to HEAR from MD's own mouth why she is doing this. How does she think it's better to tell everyone and the Santibanez that the father of her baby is a poor, handicapped accountant, instead of a rich, powerful LAWYER, who could you know, actually protect her physically and legally from the Santibanez? And, oh yeah, happens to be her FIANCE!!!
Urban- Rudolfo's killers were never in jail. Fermin identified them, but they escaped in a speeding car-- knocking him down and nearly running Fermin over.
Thanks Hellashelle, your title says it all. I was so frustrated after watching this.
We all know what Julian's answer will be, won't we? So many people will be hurt by her idiotic lie. If she just confessed in front of everyone about what happened, Claudio and Max would see to it that Daniel is in jail, the Sanitibanez plan would be found out, and they could all go on their merry way.
We all know what Julian's answer will be, won't we? So many people will be hurt by her idiotic lie. If she just confessed in front of everyone about what happened, Claudio and Max would see to it that Daniel is in jail, the Sanitibanez plan would be found out, and they could all go on their merry way.
Thanks for the correction on the cap number guys.
Ooh! I could just spit!
UA - That's just the thing, she's hurting Max. I can only guess this is what she's thinking:
"They want the baby because it's Dan's. If it's not Dan's, they won't want it. As much as it breaks my heart, it can't be Max's because we used protection. And even if it was Max's, that would probabaly just make Dan want to hurt me and the baby more. He'll go after Max or he'll actually kill me. And if he doesn't, the sister will. Or the mom. For "trapping" Max. If it were just a wedding, they might let me live, but babies are permanent. No, I need to tell them it's someone else, someone they don't care about, someone they'll believe...Julian."
Fine.
First reaction, fine. But afterwards? In the middle of his office warming party, where you're being reminded at every turn how much he depends on the Bustamantes right now? Where your mom is? Where your sister and her boyfriend, who just happens to be your fiancé's brother? Where his parents are? And even if you're still in shock and running on stupid right then, WHY AFTER MAX TELLS YOU HE SUSPECTS THE TRUTH?!!!! WTF?!!! So you're scared that he'll what? Fight for your rights as the baby's mother and a rape victim? He's already beat the stuffing out of Dan and almost went to jail, he's going to think twice about doing it again. What's more, this isn't the same type of chock. And most importantly: What do you gain?! NOTHING!!! YOU GAIN NOTHING!!!! IDIOT!!!!
I need to take a minute again.
Ooh! I could just spit!
UA - That's just the thing, she's hurting Max. I can only guess this is what she's thinking:
"They want the baby because it's Dan's. If it's not Dan's, they won't want it. As much as it breaks my heart, it can't be Max's because we used protection. And even if it was Max's, that would probabaly just make Dan want to hurt me and the baby more. He'll go after Max or he'll actually kill me. And if he doesn't, the sister will. Or the mom. For "trapping" Max. If it were just a wedding, they might let me live, but babies are permanent. No, I need to tell them it's someone else, someone they don't care about, someone they'll believe...Julian."
Fine.
First reaction, fine. But afterwards? In the middle of his office warming party, where you're being reminded at every turn how much he depends on the Bustamantes right now? Where your mom is? Where your sister and her boyfriend, who just happens to be your fiancé's brother? Where his parents are? And even if you're still in shock and running on stupid right then, WHY AFTER MAX TELLS YOU HE SUSPECTS THE TRUTH?!!!! WTF?!!! So you're scared that he'll what? Fight for your rights as the baby's mother and a rape victim? He's already beat the stuffing out of Dan and almost went to jail, he's going to think twice about doing it again. What's more, this isn't the same type of chock. And most importantly: What do you gain?! NOTHING!!! YOU GAIN NOTHING!!!! IDIOT!!!!
I need to take a minute again.
Helkashelle, what the hell? I liked your recap.
Girl you had to fight the slim to get this recap
Thank you for recappin this horrid episode.
You know what? I've come to the conclusion
That this tn is basically about liars, liars and
More liars, and stupid people. I think I'll just
Watch this tn ro see how much more deeper Mdummy can sink herself deeper into the deep sh**pit that is her sorry life. Im sorry
For espy, clara, max, and poor julian. That's
What His father was seeing when he told the nurse "I have to see my son. He's in danger". He's Right, and Mdummy did it. Isela, its to late, you're already in the snakepit with the other Reptiles, and you dived in happily, you
Wrechet (woman). Iuse that term loosely.
Poor Esphy, poor Espy, poor Espy.:-( :-( :-(
She got the dumest daughter I've seen in tn
History. That I know of. If these people hurt
Julian becaues of that lie, she should just go
Dig a hole crawl in it and bury herself. Ok Ok.
Girl you had to fight the slim to get this recap
Thank you for recappin this horrid episode.
You know what? I've come to the conclusion
That this tn is basically about liars, liars and
More liars, and stupid people. I think I'll just
Watch this tn ro see how much more deeper Mdummy can sink herself deeper into the deep sh**pit that is her sorry life. Im sorry
For espy, clara, max, and poor julian. That's
What His father was seeing when he told the nurse "I have to see my son. He's in danger". He's Right, and Mdummy did it. Isela, its to late, you're already in the snakepit with the other Reptiles, and you dived in happily, you
Wrechet (woman). Iuse that term loosely.
Poor Esphy, poor Espy, poor Espy.:-( :-( :-(
She got the dumest daughter I've seen in tn
History. That I know of. If these people hurt
Julian becaues of that lie, she should just go
Dig a hole crawl in it and bury herself. Ok Ok.
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: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 11:06:00 AM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 11:06:00 AM EDT
Nina- I think Fermin is worried that the killers (Rudolfo's) are going to go after Julian, in order to hurt Fermin. And I think he's right. So now Julian has a double target on the back of his wheelchair.
I want to touch on the positive. I continue to love the way Max reacts to situations. Sure, he's human and he couldn't help but feel a twinge of jealousy. But he doesn't let that take over logic, he asks the right questions, he comes to the right conclusions. But damn, trying to speak logically to MD is like speaking to a brick wall. I really felt for him.
Ari trying to hit on Alma was a hoot. (And Claudio had a nerve to look jealous.) Is Ari totally unaware of the reputation he now has, now that everyone knows he was Maleny's lover? Idiot. He also had a never getting all territorial with Doris (right after trying to seduce Alma), and getting on her about Orlando.
Ari trying to hit on Alma was a hoot. (And Claudio had a nerve to look jealous.) Is Ari totally unaware of the reputation he now has, now that everyone knows he was Maleny's lover? Idiot. He also had a never getting all territorial with Doris (right after trying to seduce Alma), and getting on her about Orlando.
Good suggestion Vivi. Yes,let's look at the positives.
Max - always. He's a true galan's galan and he demonstrated that last night. He knows his girl, so he didn't bail when she first said Julia, but instead, correctly ealized that she was lying. And even now, knows to go to another source. Unfortunately, my bets are on Julian going with MD's story because he's never not backed her up in his life. The only thing that I wish Max had done differently, is taking Julian's story privately, without even MD. Hey, if she's going to lie like she did something wrong, he's going to get treated like a suspect.
Leo and Clara's scene. It was sweetand Clara showed forward thinking that was realistic and adorable. It really deepened the story to me because having her think about how much time she has with her mom, without relating it directly to her being ill, is just so realistic.
Isela's theory about Marta's imprisonment is interesting. I hadn't out much thought into how Josefa might have helped put Marta in a position to get arrested before, just in what role she might have played in her death. Isela's theory sounds plausible to me, but who did she steal from and why did it get her killed?
Max - always. He's a true galan's galan and he demonstrated that last night. He knows his girl, so he didn't bail when she first said Julia, but instead, correctly ealized that she was lying. And even now, knows to go to another source. Unfortunately, my bets are on Julian going with MD's story because he's never not backed her up in his life. The only thing that I wish Max had done differently, is taking Julian's story privately, without even MD. Hey, if she's going to lie like she did something wrong, he's going to get treated like a suspect.
Leo and Clara's scene. It was sweetand Clara showed forward thinking that was realistic and adorable. It really deepened the story to me because having her think about how much time she has with her mom, without relating it directly to her being ill, is just so realistic.
Isela's theory about Marta's imprisonment is interesting. I hadn't out much thought into how Josefa might have helped put Marta in a position to get arrested before, just in what role she might have played in her death. Isela's theory sounds plausible to me, but who did she steal from and why did it get her killed?
If Julian lies for MD my last hope is Doris to tell Max but unfortunately MD has her head up Isela's butt and Doris marginalized.
I admit to being an idiot. I wanted Max and MD together so bad I fell for an episode and a half of her smiling at him and confused that for caring. Good job writers. I'm headed over to my Max is a rebound/transition guy corner cause she is still hung up on her ex. Uncertain if she is treading that thin line between love and hate but whatever it is he dominates her life and she lets him. Look, I get she's a grown woman and her decision to make and if she wants to elope to Acapulco with Dan tonight ain't nobody's business, but she's disrespecting family and friends that love her and dragging them into a big black Danhole.
Who might replace Jacinto at Vera Duval, MD perhaps, and would she take the job now Dan's child is on the way?
I admit to being an idiot. I wanted Max and MD together so bad I fell for an episode and a half of her smiling at him and confused that for caring. Good job writers. I'm headed over to my Max is a rebound/transition guy corner cause she is still hung up on her ex. Uncertain if she is treading that thin line between love and hate but whatever it is he dominates her life and she lets him. Look, I get she's a grown woman and her decision to make and if she wants to elope to Acapulco with Dan tonight ain't nobody's business, but she's disrespecting family and friends that love her and dragging them into a big black Danhole.
Who might replace Jacinto at Vera Duval, MD perhaps, and would she take the job now Dan's child is on the way?
Hellashelle- I liked the scene between Clara and Leo for all the reasons you stated. It also brings home that fact that in the last year, Clara lost her father violently, and now knows her mother's health is at risk. I like the respect the writers have shown these two teenagers.
I get wanting to focus on the positives and Max certainly is one and unlike galan's we get today but what a horrible waste of a good galan? Golly find that guy a girl that appreciates him that ain't got baggage.
Also, Ivana is obsessive. Geez, lady. You want to give them more than a day to think about whether or not they want to trust you, please?
Jenny is right on th eedge of that rabbit hole. I don't know how she gets through her life most days if she's on that thin a rope. Now, with MD's lie and being surrounding by alcohol, well...Good luck, Jenny. I just hope she doesn't embarrass herself in front of Adrian.
Also, why couldn't two young killers outrun a drunk, frail old man? That didn't make any sense. Yeah, they're definitely going after Julian. And when they stab him or throw him down stairs or beat him up or whatever, he's not going to have rich friends willing to foot the medical bills. Or even a jump. THANKS MARIA DOLORES.
Sorry. Got distracted from the good by the incredibly dumb. Um...I'm glad Doris admitted her feelings to Ari. Now, he can't say it was a shock or anything. It's too bad he's a jerk, because I'm starting to really dig the idea of a younger dude helping Alma get her groove back.
Jenny is right on th eedge of that rabbit hole. I don't know how she gets through her life most days if she's on that thin a rope. Now, with MD's lie and being surrounding by alcohol, well...Good luck, Jenny. I just hope she doesn't embarrass herself in front of Adrian.
Also, why couldn't two young killers outrun a drunk, frail old man? That didn't make any sense. Yeah, they're definitely going after Julian. And when they stab him or throw him down stairs or beat him up or whatever, he's not going to have rich friends willing to foot the medical bills. Or even a jump. THANKS MARIA DOLORES.
Sorry. Got distracted from the good by the incredibly dumb. Um...I'm glad Doris admitted her feelings to Ari. Now, he can't say it was a shock or anything. It's too bad he's a jerk, because I'm starting to really dig the idea of a younger dude helping Alma get her groove back.
*Job, not jump.
Tofie - oh I think she loves Max in so far as you can love someone without trusting them more than a smidge.
Dan is an open wound. It won't heal because she doesn't understand why he did it and why he won't leave her alone now. Maybe she wants to blame all of his crazy on his mother. And if that's the case, ok. But what did Julian every do to deserve this? Nada. As soon as the first "perdoname" spills out of her mouth, I'm going to have to throw the screen out the window. I HATE when the villains ruin every damn thing and then turn around with those damn "perdonames" like "I'm sorry I'm a volatile, lying, nut job. My bad. Cuddle?", so coming from a protag, it's more surprising, but just as annoying.
Tofie - oh I think she loves Max in so far as you can love someone without trusting them more than a smidge.
Dan is an open wound. It won't heal because she doesn't understand why he did it and why he won't leave her alone now. Maybe she wants to blame all of his crazy on his mother. And if that's the case, ok. But what did Julian every do to deserve this? Nada. As soon as the first "perdoname" spills out of her mouth, I'm going to have to throw the screen out the window. I HATE when the villains ruin every damn thing and then turn around with those damn "perdonames" like "I'm sorry I'm a volatile, lying, nut job. My bad. Cuddle?", so coming from a protag, it's more surprising, but just as annoying.
I understand Ivana wanting to get Dan put away and she has taken real steps to move on and this would end it. Problem for her is she needs MD to initiate the process and MD won't.
Ari really angered me last night too, he's a punk.
So how does Isela spin it to MD she filled the room in on the details of her morning visit to the doctor?
Ari really angered me last night too, he's a punk.
So how does Isela spin it to MD she filled the room in on the details of her morning visit to the doctor?
I'm actually starting to wonder whether the message of this series is that women always need male protection and are incapable of fighting for themselves. If that's the case, I am peeved.
There probably was no way to make a good choice here that didn't carry major risks. She didn't give Max enough credit for learning that beating the crap out of Scuzzy Santibanez didn't do any good. To do so again would have landed him in prison for 10 years or more and Max knows this.
I like Isela's theory about Hosefa having made Marta steal. I hope that can be proven.
There probably was no way to make a good choice here that didn't carry major risks. She didn't give Max enough credit for learning that beating the crap out of Scuzzy Santibanez didn't do any good. To do so again would have landed him in prison for 10 years or more and Max knows this.
I like Isela's theory about Hosefa having made Marta steal. I hope that can be proven.
I have Lost All Patience with MD. I will be fast-forwarding past her and watching the Doris-Orlando Show. Aaaaargh! Also, what kind of medical clinic has catering?
Urban- Doris protects herself just fine. And the message coming across for Ivana is certainly that you are sometimes better off with NO man, and it's best to spend time working on yourself.
I don't think MD needs a man's protection but does need legal representation. If she cannot be honest with Max because of the emotional entanglement she should ask him for a referral.
Yep. I agree with Tofie. Wouldn't matter if the writers brought in a hot shot male or female lawyer for MD. She NEEDS a damn lawyer and she needs to take ACTION against Dan. She knows a hot shot lawyer. And he just happens to be her frickin fiance. But she refuses to use him and his skills.
tell ya early in my career when I worked in a DA's office I would have eaten Dan alive for that rape
I know Max & Maria Dolores is endgame but I vote for Max to distance himself for a while. She wants to be devoured by the Santibanez' so unfortunately Max is going to have to let her be devoured by them. You simply can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved & MD has never wanted to be saved from Daniel or saved by Max. She told Max that at the beginning of the show.
The only way Maria Dolores & her child can be truly happy with Max, Julian or anyone else is for her to save HERSELF. But she's not going to do that as long as she believes she deserves everything bad that's happened to her. And on some level, she is right ---a lot of her woes ARE her fault:
*the debacle with Ivana and the dress. Gerry told her to take special care of the fabric/dresss. She did not, she was careless & left it with Daniel.
*continuing to meet with Daniel, at night, alone, after everyone told her to stop dealing with Daniel (pre-rape)
*Not telling Max about the deals Daniel was trying to make regarding the house/business
*Not telling Max about the incident with Alma & Clara
*Not telling Max or Esperanza about the rape
*Not telling Max about the baby or the Santibanez kidnapping
She pinned the baby on Julian because she knows he'll be her fall back guy, no matter what. That's why Honoria doesn't like her because MD uses Julian for emotional support, knowing he wants more and knowing she can't give it to him.
And let me just say, I didn't like how Maria Dolores was holding hands with Julian in front of her fiance. The only hands Maria Dolores should be holding are Max. So even if Josefa hadn't blown up MD's spot, hand holding with Julian was a bad sign for Max & Maria Dolores.
Let's talk about Josefa. If Maria Dolores was thinking clearly, she'd ask herself how does JOSEFA know about my pregnancy when I just came from the doctor today? How do the Santibanez' know about my pregnancy? The only common denominator is ISELA. Stop trusting/confiding in Isela.
The one person who will figure out that ISELA is the key will be DORIS.
The only way Maria Dolores can save herself is with the truth. Until MD is willing to tell the truth, she will continue to get devoured by the Santibanez.
The only way Maria Dolores & her child can be truly happy with Max, Julian or anyone else is for her to save HERSELF. But she's not going to do that as long as she believes she deserves everything bad that's happened to her. And on some level, she is right ---a lot of her woes ARE her fault:
*the debacle with Ivana and the dress. Gerry told her to take special care of the fabric/dresss. She did not, she was careless & left it with Daniel.
*continuing to meet with Daniel, at night, alone, after everyone told her to stop dealing with Daniel (pre-rape)
*Not telling Max about the deals Daniel was trying to make regarding the house/business
*Not telling Max about the incident with Alma & Clara
*Not telling Max or Esperanza about the rape
*Not telling Max about the baby or the Santibanez kidnapping
She pinned the baby on Julian because she knows he'll be her fall back guy, no matter what. That's why Honoria doesn't like her because MD uses Julian for emotional support, knowing he wants more and knowing she can't give it to him.
And let me just say, I didn't like how Maria Dolores was holding hands with Julian in front of her fiance. The only hands Maria Dolores should be holding are Max. So even if Josefa hadn't blown up MD's spot, hand holding with Julian was a bad sign for Max & Maria Dolores.
Let's talk about Josefa. If Maria Dolores was thinking clearly, she'd ask herself how does JOSEFA know about my pregnancy when I just came from the doctor today? How do the Santibanez' know about my pregnancy? The only common denominator is ISELA. Stop trusting/confiding in Isela.
The one person who will figure out that ISELA is the key will be DORIS.
The only way Maria Dolores can save herself is with the truth. Until MD is willing to tell the truth, she will continue to get devoured by the Santibanez.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 12:55:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 12:55:00 PM EDT
I am really peeved that MD cannot leave poor Julian alone. She may say that she appreciates him as a friend but from action he is really just an expendable for her. Julian went to jail for her once, broke his heart for her and he helped Espy in 100 different ways . And then when things come flushing down it is always the fault of someone else except MD that later comes out as the victim . I may be speaking like Hosefa right now but Hosefa is 100% correct about this. MD should have adjusted being the target of the Reptiles and took charge of making herself and her family secure before things took a bad turn.
Rant over as I have not watched the episode yet but I did read the comments. They are delicious as usual!
Rant over as I have not watched the episode yet but I did read the comments. They are delicious as usual!
Anon207 MD was honest with Max in the beginning when she told him maybe she wants to be fooled by Dan. I also think he needs to distance himself from a woman that is a moth to Daniels flame.
Maria Dolores will not retain ANY lawyer. She will go it alone because she thinks she deserves the pain and is being noble by suffering through the pain. Maria Dolores isn't really thinking about the baby's safety right now; she's thinking about hers. Otherwise, she'd tell Max and Max will protect her and the baby. She doesn't want protection from Max.
The baby is the key to Ursula's plans of taking over Vera Duval. If she can manipulate Ivana into reconciling with Dan and adopting Maria Dolores' baby, she can kill Ivana and Vera Duval will pass to the baby...with Daniel (Ursula) controlling Vera Duval through the baby. Both Maria Dolores and Ivana must die in order for this to happen.
Maria Dolores' baby has no value to Ursula if Ivana wants nothing to do with it.
The baby is the key to Ursula's plans of taking over Vera Duval. If she can manipulate Ivana into reconciling with Dan and adopting Maria Dolores' baby, she can kill Ivana and Vera Duval will pass to the baby...with Daniel (Ursula) controlling Vera Duval through the baby. Both Maria Dolores and Ivana must die in order for this to happen.
Maria Dolores' baby has no value to Ursula if Ivana wants nothing to do with it.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 1:27:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 1:27:00 PM EDT
Anon207 - Yes, MD should ask herself why EVERYONE who hates her knows she's pregnant, while she's told only one person. And "she overheard us talking" is a great excuse...once. Then you've got to be more careful. Like careful enough not to talk to that person again/TALK TO YOUR FIANCE FIRST!!!
Even if she's skittish about telling other people the sordid details of her life, they're going to find out the most important facts if you take Dan to court.
Some people need a reality check. MD is one of those people. I want someone to sit her down and calmly tell her to look at the situation herself: How is naming Julian going to help? None of the Santis believe her (except for maybe Mal), so they're going to demand a DNA test. She knows this; they're not hiding that from her. Given these facts, what is her end game here? There isn't one. Because she's an idiot.
As for space, I feel bad for her because Max could take years of space and realize she's not good for him, but she's always be drowning in her problems and reaching up for him to pull her out.
I can forgive her the night before last night's convo with Max because she said she wanted to have the doc confirm a pregnancy before talking to him. But last night, he couldn't have been more understanding about the situation and she still chose to ruin everyone's life instead of just telling him.
Ugh! I want to slap her! I can't find a single reason that makes sense.
Even if she's skittish about telling other people the sordid details of her life, they're going to find out the most important facts if you take Dan to court.
Some people need a reality check. MD is one of those people. I want someone to sit her down and calmly tell her to look at the situation herself: How is naming Julian going to help? None of the Santis believe her (except for maybe Mal), so they're going to demand a DNA test. She knows this; they're not hiding that from her. Given these facts, what is her end game here? There isn't one. Because she's an idiot.
As for space, I feel bad for her because Max could take years of space and realize she's not good for him, but she's always be drowning in her problems and reaching up for him to pull her out.
I can forgive her the night before last night's convo with Max because she said she wanted to have the doc confirm a pregnancy before talking to him. But last night, he couldn't have been more understanding about the situation and she still chose to ruin everyone's life instead of just telling him.
Ugh! I want to slap her! I can't find a single reason that makes sense.
Hellashelle--I feel your pain. You took it on the nose for us. Thank you ever so much.
Spitting only reminds me of Jacinto, but if it makes you feel better, DO IT.
More later, if I don't gag on my coffee (and it's good Mexican coffee, too).
Spitting only reminds me of Jacinto, but if it makes you feel better, DO IT.
More later, if I don't gag on my coffee (and it's good Mexican coffee, too).
Anon207, that's a brilliant analysis of Ursula's master plan. The question now is how strong is Ivana? At last view she couldn't be convinced to take back the Weasel. She was certainly convinced that Maria Dolores wouldn't give up a baby. She still doesn't know that the Weasel raped her.
Somebody has to come to your conclusion who can convince both MD and Ivana.
Somebody has to come to your conclusion who can convince both MD and Ivana.
Why the heck does Ursula want Vera Duval anyway? This is so random. There has to be more to the story, something about Ivana's parents or something that we don't know yet.
Ok. I'm trying a different logic: Maybe MD feels like not only does she deserve everything that's happening to her, but she doesn't deserve Max. All she does is bring him problems and headaches. Maybe she sees that Dan and his family will never leave her alone and while she kows Max will fight to the death for her, she just thinks he doesn't deserve that headache. Nor does he deserve having to raise another man's child as his own, espcially Dan's. So she's going to tell him the one thing that might make him doubt her: that the baby's Julian's. Then he'll go away and she'll be alone like she deserves. Dan will go away because she won't have anything he wants anymore. Julian will forgive her because he always does. And that's as far as her thinking process went.
She didn't think about her mom, Clara, Leo, Hon, Julian, and certainly not Jenny. In this one act, she's been so unbelievably selfish that it blows my mind. There were a numebr of other options:
Tell Max and Claudio and get this taken care of.
Wear a wire.
Get a restraining order for all of them.
What's that? All legal avenues seems corrupt and overwhelming and ineffective?
Leave town. Seriously, leave town. Ah, but the who would protect your sister and mom? Sweets, you do a crappy job of that anyway. You'd be helping them by leaving right now.
Ok. I'm trying a different logic: Maybe MD feels like not only does she deserve everything that's happening to her, but she doesn't deserve Max. All she does is bring him problems and headaches. Maybe she sees that Dan and his family will never leave her alone and while she kows Max will fight to the death for her, she just thinks he doesn't deserve that headache. Nor does he deserve having to raise another man's child as his own, espcially Dan's. So she's going to tell him the one thing that might make him doubt her: that the baby's Julian's. Then he'll go away and she'll be alone like she deserves. Dan will go away because she won't have anything he wants anymore. Julian will forgive her because he always does. And that's as far as her thinking process went.
She didn't think about her mom, Clara, Leo, Hon, Julian, and certainly not Jenny. In this one act, she's been so unbelievably selfish that it blows my mind. There were a numebr of other options:
Tell Max and Claudio and get this taken care of.
Wear a wire.
Get a restraining order for all of them.
What's that? All legal avenues seems corrupt and overwhelming and ineffective?
Leave town. Seriously, leave town. Ah, but the who would protect your sister and mom? Sweets, you do a crappy job of that anyway. You'd be helping them by leaving right now.
Hellashelle- Well, Vera Duval is a huge international company, that makes LOTS of money. This didn't come on all of a sudden. It was clear from the first episodes that Ursula wanted this marriage between Dan and Ivana above all else. We should have known that Ursula's ambitions wouldn't just stop at her son marrying into money. No, SHE wants to control that money too.
Hellashelle et al and I mean ALL. Great recap, great comments. You have saved me time, brain cells and finger-tapping not to think up a comment of my own.
Nina--I like your name for MD. MDummy indeed.
I'm going to join Hellashelle around her polished chrome, one-of-a-kind, YNCELH monogrammed, desk-sized spittoon. (It sits on a foam replaceable pad, in case we miss.)
Nina--I like your name for MD. MDummy indeed.
I'm going to join Hellashelle around her polished chrome, one-of-a-kind, YNCELH monogrammed, desk-sized spittoon. (It sits on a foam replaceable pad, in case we miss.)
Anita - I love your upgrade! Yes, let us sit and fume and vent and hope that truth comes out before we get dehydrated.
Speaking of which: Waiter! Bring us another round! (Don't worry, y'all. We can stick to mocktails in Jenny's honor.)
Speaking of which: Waiter! Bring us another round! (Don't worry, y'all. We can stick to mocktails in Jenny's honor.)
Ursula is greedy and paranoid about possible future poverty. That's why she married Hector in the first place. There was no love there. That's why she tried to goad him into suicide when his company was in trouble.
We don't know the amount of the payout or what Ursula did with it when she got it. Arango looks like he knows how to invest money or run a business, but we never hear any details about either of those things. There are two expensive properties to maintain and two spoiled and immature lavish spenders who have never learned any sense of responsibility. The former could have originally belonged to or was built up by Hector; the latter is all on her.
In the flashback leading up to Hector's death Ursula was probably calling his bluff about committing suicide rather than be poor again. However, she can't forget where she came from, which is why she's such a snob about whom she thinks she is.
We don't know the amount of the payout or what Ursula did with it when she got it. Arango looks like he knows how to invest money or run a business, but we never hear any details about either of those things. There are two expensive properties to maintain and two spoiled and immature lavish spenders who have never learned any sense of responsibility. The former could have originally belonged to or was built up by Hector; the latter is all on her.
In the flashback leading up to Hector's death Ursula was probably calling his bluff about committing suicide rather than be poor again. However, she can't forget where she came from, which is why she's such a snob about whom she thinks she is.
Uff, thanks for putting up with this dumb episode. Yesterday I said I was almost done with MD now I am hot under the collar I can't see straight. How dare she play with Julian's, yes I'll say it, life, Max's honor. I am convinced Julian will pay the ultimate price otherwise this naming him as the father will not work. Seriously, I will enjoy every ounce of pain coming her way from the wolf pack of Dan and his family. Let her get out of this mess she created. The thing is it will NOT work! It will be for nothing. Ursula will get that baby because it's Dan's baby. Poor Max, Espy, Julian and the rest.
Romy
Romy
Honestly, I don't see how Claudio and Alma will ever believe another good word about MD, or believe anything that comes out of her mouth-- even if tomorrow she starts being 100% truthful about everything all the time.
The only way Claudio and Alma will believe in Maria Dolores is if CLAUDIO starts investigating the Santibanez and uncovers their plan against Maria Dolores and Ivana. But quite frankly, they SHOULDN'T trust Maria Dolores. She would rather sit there and let people lie on her than to tell the truth and that's not somebody you should want for your child.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 3:36:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 3:36:00 PM EDT
Hellashelle,
Oh my gosh. Thank you for great recap. I totally understand how disgusted you were to have to hold off a bit on recap.
I was so so mad too. I was calling her estpuida y babosa. All the many good reasons for being furious at MD have been shared by many. I can feel everybodys anger because I feel it big time. Vivi didn't like what MD did, but she remains a little more calmer and voice of reason. Even though most have stated all the harm MD she caused every single she supposedly cares about.....pls allow me to vent. I need to, cause I am still very upset even if it is a tn. I am seriously not ever ever gonna like MD again.
The nerve, the big effing nerve to just falsely say that Julian is baby daddy. She had'nt even discussed with him or ask his permission to do so. Just cause she panicked is NO excuse for implicating an honest person and causing him go against his ethics by lying on que. i am
Pretty sure he will back her up, and she knew it too. She is no friend to Julian!! I hope Hon
Slaps her silly. She lied because of Santibanez's in vain and no good readon because they know she is lying, didnt even phase them. But
Aside from it costing Julian his business, jeopardized he and Honorias livelihood, a good potential love match with Jenny, possibly killing her mom, causing problems between Clara and Leo, hurting and humiliating Max..... What Made me sick is that Max is so hurt that Julian betrayed him. They were close and there was mutual trust and respect between the two and she ruined it!!!! Horrible horrible things are to come to Julian and suffering to her
Mom and sister. She is STUPID and SELFiSH. Plus she had drug her
Feet in pressing rape charged, waiting for excuse not to press charges and now in her stupid mind she has valud excuse not to press charhes to protect her bebe's father. How dare she!!!!! I bet Doris will not hold back and I will mot blame Honoria if whups her ass. Her innocent face has caused endless suffering to Julian. Juluan and Max are too good for her.
Thank you for listening to me, just needed to get it out. Tofie, Hellashelle Cathyx, Nina and whoever else is upset, lets try to remain calm tonight. I promise I will notever sympathize with her again. UA, no writers are not portraying that women need protector, they
are showing us that MD has holes in her head.
MD cant take care of herself but she needs a brain, not a man.
Ava
Oh my gosh. Thank you for great recap. I totally understand how disgusted you were to have to hold off a bit on recap.
I was so so mad too. I was calling her estpuida y babosa. All the many good reasons for being furious at MD have been shared by many. I can feel everybodys anger because I feel it big time. Vivi didn't like what MD did, but she remains a little more calmer and voice of reason. Even though most have stated all the harm MD she caused every single she supposedly cares about.....pls allow me to vent. I need to, cause I am still very upset even if it is a tn. I am seriously not ever ever gonna like MD again.
The nerve, the big effing nerve to just falsely say that Julian is baby daddy. She had'nt even discussed with him or ask his permission to do so. Just cause she panicked is NO excuse for implicating an honest person and causing him go against his ethics by lying on que. i am
Pretty sure he will back her up, and she knew it too. She is no friend to Julian!! I hope Hon
Slaps her silly. She lied because of Santibanez's in vain and no good readon because they know she is lying, didnt even phase them. But
Aside from it costing Julian his business, jeopardized he and Honorias livelihood, a good potential love match with Jenny, possibly killing her mom, causing problems between Clara and Leo, hurting and humiliating Max..... What Made me sick is that Max is so hurt that Julian betrayed him. They were close and there was mutual trust and respect between the two and she ruined it!!!! Horrible horrible things are to come to Julian and suffering to her
Mom and sister. She is STUPID and SELFiSH. Plus she had drug her
Feet in pressing rape charged, waiting for excuse not to press charges and now in her stupid mind she has valud excuse not to press charhes to protect her bebe's father. How dare she!!!!! I bet Doris will not hold back and I will mot blame Honoria if whups her ass. Her innocent face has caused endless suffering to Julian. Juluan and Max are too good for her.
Thank you for listening to me, just needed to get it out. Tofie, Hellashelle Cathyx, Nina and whoever else is upset, lets try to remain calm tonight. I promise I will notever sympathize with her again. UA, no writers are not portraying that women need protector, they
are showing us that MD has holes in her head.
MD cant take care of herself but she needs a brain, not a man.
Ava
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 3:37:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 3:37:00 PM EDT
I guess Maria Dolores will make it clear tonight why she named a father for her child that CANNOT protect her from the Santibanez' versus a father for her child who CAN.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 4:43:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 4:43:00 PM EDT
I could not say it better Ava.
"Her innocent face has caused endless suffering"
"MD has holes in her head"
Perhaps MD doesn't believe she deserves a man like Max but I don't think that is the reason she lies and disrespects him. She does it because she isn't in love with Max nor ready to be in a relationship with him or anyone. Last night at least she had the guts to say the wedding is off. Max has been full press after her, though not disrespectful or aggressive, and she just kinda went along. Had Max not been an attorney with no ostensible reason to show up and protect her she wouldn't give him much notice. Not saying she purposefully uses him for his legal work but if he offers....well. She's still hung up on Daniel and so is Ivana though Ivana seems a little farther along in the detox process but I recall a comment of Ursula's when she told Daniel if he impregnates MD he'll effectively own both women. When he says jump they will ask how high on the way up.
"Her innocent face has caused endless suffering"
"MD has holes in her head"
Perhaps MD doesn't believe she deserves a man like Max but I don't think that is the reason she lies and disrespects him. She does it because she isn't in love with Max nor ready to be in a relationship with him or anyone. Last night at least she had the guts to say the wedding is off. Max has been full press after her, though not disrespectful or aggressive, and she just kinda went along. Had Max not been an attorney with no ostensible reason to show up and protect her she wouldn't give him much notice. Not saying she purposefully uses him for his legal work but if he offers....well. She's still hung up on Daniel and so is Ivana though Ivana seems a little farther along in the detox process but I recall a comment of Ursula's when she told Daniel if he impregnates MD he'll effectively own both women. When he says jump they will ask how high on the way up.
Daniel's got to have some kind of contact with Ivana soon, to regain control over her. Right now, Ivana's been like SCRAM whenever Ursula calls. They've got to do something soon to get her back under their thumb.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 4:59:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 4:59:00 PM EDT
Anon207, sorry forgot to mention you earlier but you mad excellent points observations about MD. Yes, She thinks shes being noble but com'on MD be noble at just your expense not at Julians and everyone else's expense and suffering. Nope she has no business holding Julian's hand, she really has no respect or empathy for Jenny either. Well, I am bracing myself for tonight's epi. I am ready with a pint of Hagen Daz chocolate ice cream to offset my frustration and anger! See what you made me do MDummy?? (thx Nina).
Ava
Ava
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 5:59:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 5:59:00 PM EDT
Back when Max first started showing an interest in MD, I thought that maybe she was reluctant to date him because he was rich and I still think there's some of that at play. She's very intimidated by wealth, which kind of makes sense: Her mom's very firm in not taking money they haven't earned, her father was killed for his stash and all of the rich people in her life use their money and power to make other people miserable. I think she sees that socioeconomic disparity between her and Max is still lurking in the back of her mind and now has been made worse because she's been raped (damaged goods in Mexican society), she's pregnant with her rapist's child and she's been in one legal battle after another. I think she feels like Max has had to steer her out of one storm after another, only to have this new, huge battle rear its head. And this isn't a "this too shall pass" situation; it's a baby.
Even so, regardless of if she thinks she's the weakest link, she needs to realize that good couple, even from different worlds, are suppose to work the same way she thinks her parents did: as a team. Even if Max is the stronger player, she has to learn that they're in the problems, even if they're all from her, TOGETHER. But I think she's always felt guilty about her role with Max and her role as the eldest child after Rudulfo died. She recognizes that she does a crappy job as a caretaker and now she's determined to do this on her own.
If she wasn't setting fire to all the land on her way down, I wouldn't hate her for doing this.
Even so, regardless of if she thinks she's the weakest link, she needs to realize that good couple, even from different worlds, are suppose to work the same way she thinks her parents did: as a team. Even if Max is the stronger player, she has to learn that they're in the problems, even if they're all from her, TOGETHER. But I think she's always felt guilty about her role with Max and her role as the eldest child after Rudulfo died. She recognizes that she does a crappy job as a caretaker and now she's determined to do this on her own.
If she wasn't setting fire to all the land on her way down, I wouldn't hate her for doing this.
Let's face it MD is not the sharpest crayon in the box, add to that the huge blind spot concerning anything Dan. The collateral damage MD causes rivals anything Isela has done and I hate her.
I can see it now in 25 years, Dan Jr sitting on the couch picking at his toes as MD messes with his hair.
I can see it now in 25 years, Dan Jr sitting on the couch picking at his toes as MD messes with his hair.
No but as I stated earlier there is a thin line between love and hate and both bind you to someone. MD is not alone, Ivana is in it with Dan too. Dan is a predator and knows what buttons to push and is relentless. You saw what Ivana was willing to do it just manifested itself differently.
My future vision was the child that would turn out just like Dan.
My future vision was the child that would turn out just like Dan.
That vision of the future is just cruel. I don't think MD would be as crazy a mother as Ursula; she just doesn't have that toxic level of insane ambition and entitlement. If anything, MD's a mouse. The come barreling out when the lights are off and nibble on your Oreos and then when you turn on the light they stare at you in shock and then run for the nearest hidey hole.
Or you come home, and it's the middle of the day so it's bright outside and even so and they've somehow found your brandnew bag of peanut M&Ms! And they're rustling and nibbling and they don't even realize something's wrong until you slam the door and stomp on the floor.
MD needs someone to slam a door. With her inside the room. And they need to keep her there and confront her with her actions.
...damn mice...
Or you come home, and it's the middle of the day so it's bright outside and even so and they've somehow found your brandnew bag of peanut M&Ms! And they're rustling and nibbling and they don't even realize something's wrong until you slam the door and stomp on the floor.
MD needs someone to slam a door. With her inside the room. And they need to keep her there and confront her with her actions.
...damn mice...
But I can see MD just as doting and over protective and spoil Dan Jr rotten just like Ursula has done and if Dan is in the kids life....well.
I don't think so. MD and Clara are not spoiled so they are very unlikely to spoil their future children.
Novela justice -- unless all the rules get broken -- dictates that Scuzzy Santibanez will suffer a dire fate. No need to worry about what influence he might have on a child.
Novela justice -- unless all the rules get broken -- dictates that Scuzzy Santibanez will suffer a dire fate. No need to worry about what influence he might have on a child.
Yes, she might dote and even fuss, but I doubt she'd let the kid get away with not working, using people and taking advantage of girls. Assuming it's a boy.
If it's a girl, I don't see her plotting revenge against Dan for 20 years either. Though the years can be cruel. Who knows: maybe Josefa hates MD so much because she use to be just like her...
If it's a girl, I don't see her plotting revenge against Dan for 20 years either. Though the years can be cruel. Who knows: maybe Josefa hates MD so much because she use to be just like her...
A good thing about this discussion is that at least things move along at a good clip with this TN. Hopefully they won't drag any of this out for very long.
Hellashelle, Im sorry I messed up your name.
Im pissed, still no excuse. I try never to mess up peoples names. Again I apologize.
Im pissed, still no excuse. I try never to mess up peoples names. Again I apologize.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 8:16:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 8:16:00 PM EDT
Hellashelle, I wrote a long comment but lost it somehow. I can't do it again. But I'm furious with MD. I'll leave it at that.
I was on the edge of my seat reading your recap and re-read it again. Superb!!
I just loved all the comments and 100% all agree and are furious with MD.
Hope tonite gives us better news.
Ann-NYC
I was on the edge of my seat reading your recap and re-read it again. Superb!!
I just loved all the comments and 100% all agree and are furious with MD.
Hope tonite gives us better news.
Ann-NYC
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 9:40:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 9:40:00 PM EDT
Does anyone know how many episodes are In this tn?
Was it 130 or 140 or neither? I hope tonite is better too Ann-NYC.
But it wont.
Was it 130 or 140 or neither? I hope tonite is better too Ann-NYC.
But it wont.
Permalink posted by : Friday, October 16, 2015 at 11:21:00 PM EDT
: Friday, October 16, 2015 at 11:21:00 PM EDT
Nina--Can't answer the no. of episodes for you. I'm in it for the long haul anyway.
It wasn't, was it!
They should have labeled MDummy the Antagonista.
I know this sounds cruel, but why doesn't she just have that baby, give it to Ursula and be done with it. Knowing that baby, innocent as it is, is a product of rape makes a difference in how she bonds with it, whether she knows it, like it or not. In the meantime, she could have followed through with the rape charge, put Daniel in jail for a long time (maybe) and started over with Max. (Yeah, I know, there are a lot of flaws in that solution, but in the cold light of day it might work.)
It wasn't, was it!
They should have labeled MDummy the Antagonista.
I know this sounds cruel, but why doesn't she just have that baby, give it to Ursula and be done with it. Knowing that baby, innocent as it is, is a product of rape makes a difference in how she bonds with it, whether she knows it, like it or not. In the meantime, she could have followed through with the rape charge, put Daniel in jail for a long time (maybe) and started over with Max. (Yeah, I know, there are a lot of flaws in that solution, but in the cold light of day it might work.)
Nina, the novela has 121 episodes in total . So we are finished with the novela in around 10 weeks.
I completely forgot about how MD now ruined Clara and Leo. They were my favorite and most cute young couple that unfortunately was dragged into the whole MD fiasco . I hope Clara starts hating on MD for destroying her future and Honoria should explode at MD without restraints.
I completely forgot about how MD now ruined Clara and Leo. They were my favorite and most cute young couple that unfortunately was dragged into the whole MD fiasco . I hope Clara starts hating on MD for destroying her future and Honoria should explode at MD without restraints.
Count, I think Max told Leo to not break up with Clara because of this. He said she was a very nice muchacha. But who knows how things will work out especially the way Claudio and Alma now feel about MD. What a strain on the family.
Ann-NYC
Ann-NYC
Permalink posted by : Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 4:37:00 AM EDT
: Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 4:37:00 AM EDT
Thanks, Hellashelle. Excellent recap and love how you express outrage at MD.
MD has not been my favorite but I do feel like the writers tossed her under the bus for plot purposes. I find it hard to believe that after all she's been through with Max that she wouldn't be honest with him, if not with everyone else.
But I do believe that MD has the capacity to love a baby conceived in rape. She does see this baby as hers and has erased Dan out. God willing, the baby will look nothing like Dan.
MD has not been my favorite but I do feel like the writers tossed her under the bus for plot purposes. I find it hard to believe that after all she's been through with Max that she wouldn't be honest with him, if not with everyone else.
But I do believe that MD has the capacity to love a baby conceived in rape. She does see this baby as hers and has erased Dan out. God willing, the baby will look nothing like Dan.
CountX--MD did what we all suspected she might: to beg Julian's forgiveness for drawing him into her mess. Julian did what we all suspected he might: not only forgive her but offer himself up as the sacrificial lamb-daddy.
What does MD hope to accomplish by looking Max in the eye before returning the ring. Did she mean right away? I think she should hold onto for awhile, THEN take it back when Max is in the office. (The wimpy way out would be to send it back with Doris or send it over by messenger. Guess what, I'm a wimp.)
What does MD hope to accomplish by looking Max in the eye before returning the ring. Did she mean right away? I think she should hold onto for awhile, THEN take it back when Max is in the office. (The wimpy way out would be to send it back with Doris or send it over by messenger. Guess what, I'm a wimp.)
This is sort of an OT musing, after reading Jean's wrap up and Vivi's and others' comments on Avenida Brasil for the Gran Final, when it was originally broadcast. (Most Univision watchers probably did not catch AB. For those who need a short refresher, SEE: Telemundo Index for May 12, 2014 for Madelaine's Gran Final, etc.)
When characters personalities and motivations are so thoroughly dissected and interpreted by the Caray community, night after night for months, I wonder if the writers and production crews put this much time and effort into the creation of the characters.
Whether they have or not, they all seem to have been fairly wide awake when they took Psych 101, Soc 101, Literature (storytelling and script writing) and Home Ec (the international cuisine version).
This seems so clear to me as I re-read the recaps and comments for Un Refugio Para el Amor (a civilized psychological thriller) and now as I follow YoNo (a much less civilized psychological thriller).
When characters personalities and motivations are so thoroughly dissected and interpreted by the Caray community, night after night for months, I wonder if the writers and production crews put this much time and effort into the creation of the characters.
Whether they have or not, they all seem to have been fairly wide awake when they took Psych 101, Soc 101, Literature (storytelling and script writing) and Home Ec (the international cuisine version).
This seems so clear to me as I re-read the recaps and comments for Un Refugio Para el Amor (a civilized psychological thriller) and now as I follow YoNo (a much less civilized psychological thriller).
Countx, she didn't just ruin leo and clara, max And julian had a beautiful brotherly lovely friendship, leo told julian" he was like a brother to you,how could he do that to him?"
I know she has to protect her child but you
Do not destroy other peoples lives to do it.
Or give yo momma a heart attack. Stupid!!!
And jenny almost fell off the wagon, thank God she was strong enough to with stand
That storm. All this lady has succeeded in doing is making her problem bigger. Max's
Heart is in shreds, and she's feelin justified.
And those reptilian parasites that threaten to take her child away from her, they're going to continue to make her life and the lives she care about a living hell. So she really hasn't solved anything, she's just made a real bad situation worse. And the one that could have helped her she has destroyed him. maybe I should be feeling sorry for this woman and maybe a part of me does, but I've been watching her and time and time again she has walked head on into the slime pit that is her life. I guess in her mind the choices she made to Try and fix things, would work in her favor, No. And what did she get for that kind of thinking: she got raped, she got kidnapped, she got threatened her child was Threatened, and now she's looking like the town slut and liar. Sucks to be Mdummy.
I know she has to protect her child but you
Do not destroy other peoples lives to do it.
Or give yo momma a heart attack. Stupid!!!
And jenny almost fell off the wagon, thank God she was strong enough to with stand
That storm. All this lady has succeeded in doing is making her problem bigger. Max's
Heart is in shreds, and she's feelin justified.
And those reptilian parasites that threaten to take her child away from her, they're going to continue to make her life and the lives she care about a living hell. So she really hasn't solved anything, she's just made a real bad situation worse. And the one that could have helped her she has destroyed him. maybe I should be feeling sorry for this woman and maybe a part of me does, but I've been watching her and time and time again she has walked head on into the slime pit that is her life. I guess in her mind the choices she made to Try and fix things, would work in her favor, No. And what did she get for that kind of thinking: she got raped, she got kidnapped, she got threatened her child was Threatened, and now she's looking like the town slut and liar. Sucks to be Mdummy.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 4:38:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 4:38:00 PM EDT
"Max's heart is in shreds, and she's feelin justified"
Nina you cut right to it. I didn't see anyone other than Leo even try to console Max. MD ran to Julian, Julian called after Jenny. One thing is certain MD doesn't love Max, doesn't mean she cares for Dan but she doesn't love Max.
Nina you cut right to it. I didn't see anyone other than Leo even try to console Max. MD ran to Julian, Julian called after Jenny. One thing is certain MD doesn't love Max, doesn't mean she cares for Dan but she doesn't love Max.
This whole plot turn is making me feel sick to my stomach. Anita - I've been thinking the same thing; MD has become the biggest villain on the show!
So while I can see MD doing this, I have to say this is the first time I've so strongly felt that the motivation for doing so was lacking. She gave us some insight into the "why" of it all last night, but it wasn't anything we didn't already know. I felt like the producers should've given us more cute scenes between MD and Max to seel the love story, but I feel even more strongly that they should've given us an even more menacing scene at the Santibanez to sell us on this turning point. A one-on-one between her and Dan or her and Ursula, a voiceover scene of her in the cab on the way to Julian's party, SOMETHING to sell me on her fear taking her this far.
That being said, I think I get what they're trying to show: I think MD's inability to let Dan go is because he has become an almost all-powerful being in her mind. She actually thinks there's nothing he can't get away with. her experiences could all add up to this, but they should be emphaszing them more. After her experience with the cops, she doesn't think they'll actually be helpful or effective. As close as Max came to being in jail for years, she knows his career and possibly sanity could be on the line if the stakes are raised to "Baby Involved" levels. After all of the legal trouble she's run into since meeting Dan, she knows how powerful the "his word against yours" argument can be. I can almost get it...but I still think she's an idiot and her decision was dumb and wrong.
So while I can see MD doing this, I have to say this is the first time I've so strongly felt that the motivation for doing so was lacking. She gave us some insight into the "why" of it all last night, but it wasn't anything we didn't already know. I felt like the producers should've given us more cute scenes between MD and Max to seel the love story, but I feel even more strongly that they should've given us an even more menacing scene at the Santibanez to sell us on this turning point. A one-on-one between her and Dan or her and Ursula, a voiceover scene of her in the cab on the way to Julian's party, SOMETHING to sell me on her fear taking her this far.
That being said, I think I get what they're trying to show: I think MD's inability to let Dan go is because he has become an almost all-powerful being in her mind. She actually thinks there's nothing he can't get away with. her experiences could all add up to this, but they should be emphaszing them more. After her experience with the cops, she doesn't think they'll actually be helpful or effective. As close as Max came to being in jail for years, she knows his career and possibly sanity could be on the line if the stakes are raised to "Baby Involved" levels. After all of the legal trouble she's run into since meeting Dan, she knows how powerful the "his word against yours" argument can be. I can almost get it...but I still think she's an idiot and her decision was dumb and wrong.
MD's decicion was completely idiotic, if MD said that Max was the baby's father even if it was a lie it would be the perfect blow for Dan. The Reptiles would want a DNA test but Max would have been on her side eager to take Dan down and take care of the baby because unlike Dan , Max is a good guy who knows how to respect women. I believe that the writers made this on purspose just to make MD fail. Although cute her relationship with Max has been nothing but pitfalls. MD's lack of trust in Max makes the situation worse. Any woman would love to have a man like Max on her side because men like Max are a rarity nowadays. We all need a Max to cook for us, care for us, take us out of trouble and make us feel wanted and protected.
MDummy has completely humiliated herself against the Reptillians because like I said earlier she cannot lie. Anyone can lie but to make a lie believable it takes a mastermind . Now MDummy looks like the town's slut. Now no one will believe her rape story much less about her burning store. Even her Jacinto story about the attempted rape will get nulled.
MDummy has completely humiliated herself against the Reptillians because like I said earlier she cannot lie. Anyone can lie but to make a lie believable it takes a mastermind . Now MDummy looks like the town's slut. Now no one will believe her rape story much less about her burning store. Even her Jacinto story about the attempted rape will get nulled.
I'm gonna go with she hates Dan and finally afraid of him and his mother after the rape, discovery of Ursula's plan to give the non existent baby to Ivana and now Ursula's threat of taking Dan's, child finally got the point across. Sadly, it is Ursula she is most afraid of and not Dan. I give props to MD for once, her decision to disappear, but if she doesn't take Julian with her he's in big trouble.
Just because I think Max is a good guy and want MD to be with him doesn't mean she loves him like I want her too and it is not a crime. I've had this nagging problem from the beginning that she is just not into Max that much. Max is completely in love with her for sure but I fault him a bit for being too insistent too soon and assuming as I did that if she hated Dan she would love Max. The two aren't connected. If I stop being mad at her for not loving Max enough it takes away the sting.
Just because I think Max is a good guy and want MD to be with him doesn't mean she loves him like I want her too and it is not a crime. I've had this nagging problem from the beginning that she is just not into Max that much. Max is completely in love with her for sure but I fault him a bit for being too insistent too soon and assuming as I did that if she hated Dan she would love Max. The two aren't connected. If I stop being mad at her for not loving Max enough it takes away the sting.
Hey guy, I've been advised that we should table this discussion until the Friday recap is up.
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