Tuesday, December 08, 2015
Pasión y Poder #24 Martes 12/8/15
Labels: poder
Gisela mentioned that a man toying with her daughter’s affection and trust was what led to the latter’s demise. I wonder whether she meant Eladio or her daughter’s husband whose murder landed her in prison? I wish we could get more information on Caridad.
Julia just had to walk into Eladio’s personal space, look him in the eyes and lightly touch his shoulder to diffuse the tension. The anger brewing inside him subsided almost instantly. There has been a few similar scenes that make me wonder: if only this woman were aware of the immense power she has on Eladio; if only she had put it to good use during the 25 years of their marriage, she could’ve moulded an entirely different man, spouse and father out of him... Or not. I can’t help asking myself this question though.
Arturo offering to help Julia when he can’t even help himself! Por favor, no me hagas reír! Sort out the gigantic mess your family situation has become then you can start sneaking around on your wife courting another man’s wife!
Nandicta :)
Someone mentioned it in the last discussion, but we know almost nothing of Eladio's backstory. We don't know if he was young when his parents died (because we don't know if he's telling the truth about that) and he has no brothers or sisters that we know of. Franco is his illegitimate son, but only Gisela and Caridad know that. He is insanely afraid that this will come out once Caridad is out of prison, which will happen shortly.
And after all these abusive years why would Julia want to stay with him? Once her father dies she can fly the coop.
I don't think what Julia has is really power over Eladio. He controlled himself because it's convenient for him. He demands total obedience and has no problem using violence on his wife or sons if he thinks it will get him the result he wants. He knows Julia fears him. That's what her touching him to diffuse his anger is all about. She's scared of what he'll do to David. That fear is exactly what he wants. Part of his frustration with David is that he refuses to be intimidated by Eladio and doesn't back down. Note how Franco backed the heck down when Eladio grabbed hold of him after he mentioned Montse. He gets off on the fear.
Loved Dani's face. Ha! Not sure if this won't be more trouble than it's worth to Petra though. Like supervising the work of a slug.
I was chuckling right along with Miguel and Regina when Artie said that Daniela had to help out with the housework. This should be good. But I pity the Montenegro's if Daniela gets put in charge of cooking them dinner. She probably can't even make toast.
The Ratt and Aldo- not liking where this is going with them digging into Consuelo's past. Nothing good can come out of that.
Ah, so that was The Ratt who Miguel was looking at on his computer. It happened so fast that I didn't get a chance to get a good look at who it was. I was able to read the captions and now they make sense.
Great cliffhanger. Can't wait until tomorrow night to see what happens next.
It looks like Cynderella was right and Maribel may not be with us that much longer. I keep thinking her husband, Justino, is doomed too, he works for Eladio, and Luisita will be with Francisco and Clara by the end.
Gisela is a troubling busy-body who is in big trouble when her daughter finds out what happened to Franco.
Yes Vivi, I'm very concerned about what the Ratt and Aldo found. It will be really disgusting if Connie ends up out on the street because of this mess and Erick remains in the house.
And poor Miguel, like Diana said yesterday, Art didn't need to tell all to his son. There had to be some type of way he could share information without telling his son he was an accident. Wow.
What Aldo and Monserrat found will not impact Miguel, Regina, (these two already know) or Arturo. Erick will use it as an excuse to file for divorce, I'm sure. Especially if Nina puts her two pesos in. She already hates Consuelo without knowing this. She is willing to accuse her of adultery so she can say that the baby isn't her grandchild. Vain bitch.
Best part of the episode, breakfast at the Montenegro family. Priceless. The look on Miguel's face just made me giggle. Maybe Daniela should think of some tennis shoes and loose jeans--all the better to clean with.
Eladio is one sick puppy. He may not be yelling any more, but his calm demeanor with his idiot attitude is even more menacing. I don't get Julia any more. She owes her father nothing, she is again seeing what Eladio is still capable of...now I'm worried in her constant intent to "please" or calm Eladio as if it's that important to have David inherit everything ( like he cares), she's going to spill the beans about he and Gina. She does, dead to me.
Off to work. Check in later.
Daisynjay
1. Use it to continue his insistence that David isn't his and is committing incest
2. Insist to David that he get information about the Montenegro family company.
Regina and David can easily disprove the first without a problem; a DNA test can demonstrate that they are not siblings. If they do this, however, there could be a more distant blood tie leading to another conflict.
Of course, if Julia and Arturo would tell this to David and Regina respectively, that could make them proactive about this, but that would be against cliche for a change. Maybe the writers will surprise us with that.
David will continue to refuse to use Regina this way. And she doesn't even work for her father, so she has no real access to that information.
I completely agree about Julia. She owes Humberto nothing except payback for his years of abuse. However, too many women in her situation endure this level of spousal abuse after having been abused by an equally nasty father because they don't know they don't have to. Now she endures it for David's sake, which David doesn't like.
"“Of course,” David said. He knew enough now to recognize this as the manipulation it was. Not just of his mother, but of himself". Your insights and comments are always thoughtful and on point.
So many interesting comments about Julia. I believe she stays in her present situation only because she loves fiercely and protectively (David) and because she sees no other choice in fulfilling her obligation (Humberto). She has forsaken her happiness for the sake of those she loves. It's typical, protective behavior for a mother and daughter. What is atypical is having to endure a monster of a husband.
Vivi, yes, Eladio definitely will retaliate once David and Regina get together. His not so subtle threat was chilling.
Monserrat continues to repel. What a vile human being. I continue to search long and hard but I cannot fine one thing that is remotely kind or appealing about her. If she hurts Consuelo (further) in any way, I will be so upset. I know there is more to come though. Karen, I'm worried about Connie coming to physical harm. I'm not sure if Monse knows Connie is pregnant or not (?)
Petra is becoming my favorite character. Just loved her showing Dani what hard work is. I might have imagined it but I thought I saw the actress (Dani) suppressing a smile. Those scenes were fun to watch and a relief from all the madness.
I was looking for something, anything, to make me smile and you provided it with one of your translations UA. “Maybe some cages with little animals so the children can have live pets.” Of course! What a novel idea! Live pets are so much more fun than dead ones, aren't they? :)
Thanks again UA!
Diana
"You can't tell me what I can or can't do"
Nina almost got it right, to avoid snappy nips during lunch at IHop you don't wear the same dress back to back even if it is one of a kind but she made the larger misstep, I've seen her same outfit worn by transgender cabaret singers in Bangkok.
Art will never win father of the year but I applaud wanting to give Daniela structure and a work ethic however he's about a decade too late, his intent is to humiliate.
Speaking of Daniela. Though spoiled rotten and a life of the party girl I don't see a self promoting sex tape about to smack Art up side his head.
Art the whiteknight coming to Julia's rescue causes more problems for her than it will solve. This isn't love but a fight over chattel.
What difference does it make where Connie came from? I would counsel her to write her autobiography.
Love that! She also never learned that it is seriously declasse to point out such things.
I am wondering whether Arturo isn't also attempting to instill some respect for the staff by forcing his brat to learn their work. Or to understand that she needs to finish school so she is qualified to do something better. Maybe he also hopes that this will drive her back to the campus.
Not that this will work, of course, because Nina will undo it all with her "With your beauty you can marry more money than your father makes."
As for what difference Consuelo's origin makes? None, to ant reasonable human being. I think most people know she grew up in an orphanage. That she was rescued from a brothel as a baby or toddler shouldn't make a difference either and it won't to Miguel, Regina, or Arturo. But Nina will make something of it, you can bet boxes of Godiva on that.
Nandicta, welcome to the Patio (of Lowered Expectations)! How lucky for us that your telenovela-watching converged with ours on precisely this wonderfully overblown show:)
I, too, was struck by Julia's lion-taming gesture (when she stepped into Eladio's space and put her hand on his chest). It seemed quite Nina-esque to me, though Nina works with big, seductive smooches and Julia with delicate, oh-so-ladylike touches. Not that either approach is working particularly well these days...
Looking forward to watching it sometime today, in between Petra-like chores and teaching. Wouldn't want to have to try and supervise Daniela. Worse than working alone!
Thanks for always going above and beyond, UA. We're all getting quite spoiled.
Miguel knows he has been rejected by Arturo his entire life for some reason and called him out on it.
Arturo might as well have told Miguel what Miguel already knows. Miguel is bright & when he finds out about Arturo & Julia he'll be able to put together a time table that will tell him what happened. Arturo might as well tell him now, because I definitely can see Eladio telling him.
Come to think about it, Arturo might have been more like Erick back in the day then we are meant to believe. But suffice to say, he needs to lay that screw up firmly at his own feet. I'm starting to wonder, after that comment, if he didn't go all "I'm the boss' son" on Eladio after he married Julia, making his work life miserable, Eladio leaves and that's when it all went to hell and a hand-basket with this feud. They both went all alpha-male and the rest is history.
Daisynjay
Good one David---You've got Franco for your low tricks. Count me out on that stuff.
You must be the reincarnation of Caligula.
Daniela hated being bested by a mere servant. I myself absolutely loved it but I don't think for a minute that Daniela will even attempt to do a good job. I also don't think or believe that Daniela has ever done a good job with anything. Well, maybe at partying.
What does Consuelo's childhood have to do with her in the here and now as a grown woman?
What will Caligula do when he finds out the truth about Regina and David? Whatever it, it won't be pleasant.
can't wait for tonight.
the gringo
Eladio (Franco) was kissing Daddy Montenegro's ass (Eladio), only to have Arturo (David) reap the benefits.
Eladio committed some sort of fraud against Montenegro Inc. and was put out. I'm willing to bet history will repeat itself on Eladio's side with Franco committing some sort of fraud. Arturo's already had his repeat with Erick.
Ordinarily, Consuelo's childhood would not matter. It will not matter to Miguel, Regina or Arturo. It WILL matter to Nina, Erick & Daniela. Nina is desperate to be accepted as a high class lady; she's not and she knows she's not and she knows actual high class ladies know she's not. That's why she got all hot and bothered when Julia read her for filth in the middle of the nail salon for being "low class."
So if Nina is trying to perpetrate like she is a lady of the manor instead of a tramp on the come up, the LAST thing she wants in her family is another low class woman (Consuelo) on the scene. Too much of a reminder of what Nina is NOT.
Let me backtrack a couple of episodes to what Nina said to Dani about Consuelo's baby: Mama's baby, daddy's maybe.... makes me wonder if one or more of Montenegro children are in fact not Arturo's kids.
I'm willing to bet Erick & Dani are NOT Arturo's kids. Hey...mama's baby...daddy's maybe...
Age order of Montenegro / Gomez Luna children:
Miguel
David
Erick
Regina
Dani
Sorry, but I just can't watch PyP and consider it a complex, dramatic Mexican retelling of Family Feud. These characters are two dimensional, portrayed by actors, acting their hearts out for the love of acting (and a paycheck). They can only be as good as the writers and directors let them be. (When compared to YoNo, it's no contest.)
However, the recaps and comments keep me watching in spite of myself.
Nandicta:) Welcome to this enigmatic spot in cyberspace. What a wonderfully clear new voice and perspective you add to this virtual reality. I am in awe of your facility with the English language. You have a better command of it than I, a native speaker for some decades now. Look forward to many more of your comments.
Based on standard gold-digger behavior it's Daniela whom we should suspect of not being Arturo's child.
However, if both turn out to not be Arturo's and only Miguel and Regina are, it seems to even things up with Eladio, who has two sons (that we know of).
The irony of Consuelo's having been born to a whore (who may turn up eventually) is that she herself isn't one. Monserrat is, although not in the usual sense.
1)allowed Eladio to be something else other than a device for her revenge against Arturo;
2) not let Arturo into her house a month or so before her wedding to Eladio; and
3) not spent 20+ years rejecting her husband, pining overtly for her cheating ex-fiancé and doing nothing to dispel once and for all Eladio's doubts over his paternity; things could have been way different for the Gomez-Lunas.
As I said yesterday and UA reiterated today, we know very little about Eladio's background other than his supposedly difficult upbringing in poverty, his dubious social ascent, his controlling and explosive temper which to me screams insecurity and his possessiveness because of the humiliating rejection he endures daily from the woman he adored for over two decades. Moreover, Anon207 just highlighted a crucial point the Eladio / Arturo/ Montenegro Sr drama that happen over 25 years ago is being replayed with the Franco / David / Eladio trio. We don't know how haughty Montenegro Sr could have been with young Eladio or how the latter must have felt being discarded when the heir (young Arturo) showed up. Maybe Eladio is emulating what he learnt from Montenegro Sr, with the addition of his bitterness, hatred and resentment over the years turning him into the boss / godfather from Hell. I'm not defending Eladio's actions or the way he turned out, I'm just trying to understand. As Cynderella rightly pointed out yesterday: " If we don't defend the defenseless, who else will? Yes, they are bad, but I always look for the underlying reason".
Anita - Many thanks indeed for your welcoming and encouraging words! You're too kind! I couldn't agree more with you regarding the two-dimensional characters and simplistic writing. The actors are doing a stellar job with an average script and pretty bad direction (Salvador Garcini has become my "Mejía" when in comes to directing. MEPS, CS 2009, STuD, AV. He seems particularly fond of overacting, shouting and dramatic Zoolander posing!) I never saw the PyP 1988 version so I can't compare, but many commenters here have demonstrated time and again just how flawed the premise of the story is. There exists a lot of plot holes and suspended lines of thought from the writing team. Maybe they are giving themselves a little wriggle room for if and when they decide to do a "switcheroo" or an "unexpected ending" or some other gimmick for shock value / ratings.
This is still a good TN as far as I'm concerned because with a little "supension of disbelief" we get to enjoy the ride and relish the character analyses and speculations we engage in here after every episode. It hasn't gone Mejía yet or, worse, Latoodle! (I couldn't finish the CI DVD! I was tearing my hair out in the middle of Disc 3! Aaargh!)
I think that the recaps and comments I've read on Caray Caray! have been way more clever and sophisticated than any TN writer could come up with. You guys are a treasure! Cynderella's "epiphany" about Justino, maybe being a potential "replacement Franco" for Gisela to present to Caridad, is a case in point. It justifies the presence of the WTF Family and provides an interesting plot point. However, I doubt it would even occur to the writers, so I stand by my initial theory, the WTF Family is PyP's version of the grocery store couple of LQNPA. And what will happen when Maribel (finally) kicks the bucket? They'll have Justino fall for Clara and the Justino/Clara/Francisco love triangle will be the choice "filler material" for a good chunk of the TN! No spoiler here, just speculating. My "TN filler nonsense" radar has become finely attuned! :D
Julia married Eladio out of spite but Art didn't play along so for 20 years Julia hasn't any satisfaction for the boneheaded decision. She should be pleased but call the tête-à-tête what is is, a victory dance. Revel in it, work up a good sweat, drag Art through glass but don't poke your finger in the eye of Eladio and whine when it blows up cause I ain't listening.
We know Nina is very much into appearances and fronting (ex---> Regina's wedding), so why no grand wedding?
Nina sealed the deal quickly with Arturo using a child, I feel certain of that. Which child she used (Miguel or Erick) remains in question.
Nandicta..Eladio reminds me a bit of Manuel in Amor Real who was rejected by his rich father because he was a bastard . The priest helped him learn to read and write , and he became a doctor. However, he had a violent temper. When he discovered that the woman he married planned to run off with her lover, he became harsh and abusive to her.However, he was redeemed in the end. Eladio hasn't killed anyone that we know of, so could he be redeemed? As far as I am concerned, Art is not a galan.
Nandicta..You are a fascinating person. May I ask what field you are in and what degree you earned in Scotland? I think that you would love Outlander if you love Scotland. I would like to travel there some day. You can actually do a tour of the places where Outlander takes place.
No matter how this happens, though, Eladio will still not believe it. He is seriously unhinged.
I think Eladio could be redeemed if he stopped focusing on Arturo. Heck, let Julia go and find somebody who REALLY loves him.
Do we know her parentage or bakcground? I missed some early episode pieces, so just wondered.
And thanks all for the clarificatin Eladio committed fraud when at Montenegro to get himself booted.
Daisynjay
Frank Smith is Eladio's alleged mentor/sponsor or whatever after he was bounced from the Montenegro company. We have never seen him nor do we know whether any of this is true.
Enjoyed all the comments. Caridad says she didn't kill her husband. Eladio wants to keep Caridad in prison. My guess is Eladio either killed the husband or knows who did.
Francisco had a cough. Don't know if I should be worried or if they just didn't have time for a re-take of his scene.
Vivi, Tofie and Daisyjay - I too was exasperated by Arturo telling his daughter that Eladio “stole” something from him, something that didn’t belong to him. I also felt there was a tinge of classism in his comment; as if this old “criado” (servant) of his had no business marrying above his station. This may have added insult to injury. (N.B.: Eladio is “nouveau riche” and wouldn't have been able to marry Aristocratic/ Old Money Julia had he not settled her father’s gambling debts).
Furthermore, for over two decades, every time Arturo gets the upper hand in some business deal, Eladio always brings him down a couple of pegs by reminding him that he (Eladio) has already won a long time ago because he married the woman Arturo so foolishly let go and could never ever have. That’s also why, come to think of it now, a few episodes ago Arturo felt so vindicated when Julia confessed to him that she and Eladio have always been an unhappy “pretend” couple. He was so pleased with himself when he made this revelation to Agustín later! And now with this whole DNA business, he will continue reveling in Schadenfreude, “el muy desgraciado”! ( Can you tell I don’t like Arturo?)
Susanlynn - I’m really touched by your enthusiastic welcome and your kind words. Many thanks indeed!
You’ve made a very interesting point by highlighting the similarity between those two volatile yet fascinating characters! It really got me thinking... Eladio could very well be how Manuel would’ve turned out in an alternate story where he would’ve had to endure 25 years of Matilde rejecting him and rubbing her love of a cheating Adolfo in his face; an Adolfo who also happened to be Manuel’s main business competitor and who had the chutzpah to visit Matilde (in her bedroom?) a few weeks before her wedding! Yep, I can totally picture that! Instead of “Amor Real”, we would have had “Amor Venenoso”... I mean “Amor Patético”... I mean “Pasión y Poder”! :D
OT for Susanlynn - To answer your question, the degree I got in Scotland was a BA in International Business and Marketing. I worked in Marketing/Communications in the mid to late Noughties, but I left the field in 2010 to pursue Masters degrees in Sustainable Development and in Climate & Energy Policy. I’m presently caring for my ill mother. She’s doing a lot better now and I get to keep her company while I occupy my free time with preparing the outline of a PhD proposal (in the most excruciatingly slow fashion), procrastinating (I’ve turned it into an art) and watching TNs (I take extensive notes to convince myself that my shameless ogling and my taste for the over-the-top storylines are in fact a language learning endeavor). Thanks again for your recommendation to watch Outlander and I really hope you get to visit Scotland very soon - maybe in 2016!
Thank you! I'm rooting for this as my favorite ending, provided that Eladio hasn't killed anybody, por supuesto! Please pull a chair and join Tofie and me in the "Bad Boy Eladio" table! Weird tie knots, gold fountain pens and "whatever that crap Eladio sprays in his mouth" entirely optional!
“[Gisela] está peleada con la vida, a todo le ve el lado malo.”
Clara telling Francisco that Gisela is a grumpy nincompoop who sees everything through her negativity-colored (alcohol-soaked) goggles.
Estar peleado / peleada con la vida = Literally means to be on bad terms with life (from the verb "pelear" meaning to fight / quarrel / argue / be on bad terms with); i.e. to be an irascible person, always in a huff and complaining about something or other.
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