Caray, Caray!

Urban, what a great recap to an episode which, to me, finally makes PyP interesting.

I'm curious to find out what the PyP Gran Patio is thinking about this... I know speculation has been rampant recently about how Ratt's days may be numbered but, now that they ARE, I'm DYING to know what your respective thoughts are on the matter...

For ME... the practical, pragmatic part of me is thinking- and, I will admit, 'hoping' that it will be probably the person LEAST suspected here...

Nina.

I say this because there have been blow-ups with all of the usual suspects- Eladio, Erick, Consuelo, Julia. They COULD, of course, pin it on some second-rate character (i.e.- Aldo, perhaps suddenly overcome with obsession over Ratt and doing something that will involve us for numerous capitulos before ultimately rendering everybody 'in the clear'...) but, to me, for it to be revealed as Nina- perhaps lashing out at this interloper who could both be considered as a 'pretender' to her own proverbial (slipping) Montenegro throne, as WELL as somebody intent on bringing social disgrace on her family's hard-earned named when they least need it- this makes sense.

As well, the cold, practical part of me acknowledges that- in making Nina the murderer, it also effectively gets her 'out of the picture' in the end (being led away to face justice in 'ultimos capitulos'), paves the way for an ultimate FPS ending for our 'hero' and 'heroine'.

What do you all think???

 

Here are the suspects:

Eladio

Erick

Consuelo

Julia

Callao

Bonus: Nina

Bonus: Franco

Nina was upstairs waiting on nookie time with Arturo; I doubt it's her

I want to say Ratt said Tu? So it's someone who is familiar with her. I think that would knock Julia out of the running. And if Julia has all these connections, why doesn't she use some of them to leave Eladio?

I think Ratt would've Mi Amor'd Erick. Ratt was fearful of whoever tossed her. I don't think it was Erick although I think either Erick or Consuelo will be blamed.

I don't think tiny Consuelo tossed Ratt & Ratt wouldn't have been fearful of Consuelo. I don't think Connie did it but I can see her being cell mates with Maria Dolores and Nayeli in the near future.

Eladio wouldn't have done it himself, he would've had Callao do it.

Franco could've offed Ratt to get back in Eladio's good graces

The murderer is ever Eladio/Callao or Franco but Connie or Erick will be framed and blamed by the Gomez Luna Crew.

Everyone at the party saw Connie attack Ratt and everyone at the party saw Eladio Storm in and manhandle Ratt.

Aldo can put all of the suspects at the scene except Nina (highly unlikely) and Franco.




 

As nuts as this sounds, I am so thrilled to catch the first murder on this show.

I also consider Nina to be an unlikely suspect although those would definitely be her motives. Her other motive might be to frame Consuelo and get rid of her at the same time. I don't think she's clever enough yet to do anything like this. It is far more likely to be someone the Rat knew and feared. We are certainly being set up to think it's Eladio or Callao thanks to the conversation in the car. Besides, I can't remember any past interaction between them.

Franco is unlikely even to have known about the party and he was too busy romancing Gabriela. He's also in no condition to strangle Monserrat and throw her off the balcony. How would he even get there and back without being seen?

More later.
 

Great job, Urban. This was a fun episode, and now we have a murder mystery. Yay!

Anon207- Thanks for the list of suspects. I have two more to add:

Miguel- He was finished at Clara's and we didn't see him come home.
The ticked off neighbor in the pajamas. This party as the last straw.
 

Although, if it was Miguel, her first response would have been, quien es usted? Pajama man did it! :)
 

What we suspected would happen has happened. Both Regina and David have chosen to go after the same construction project as their first project for their fathers. The construction of the new Fiesta America chain hotels. David had just told Francisco about the opportunity, when he saw the Fiesta America brochure in Gina's bag, but she refused to tell him anything, and then they got busy doing other things. Then Art asked Gina if Gomez Luna was going after the same project and she said she hoped not. They weren't talking about Eladio specifically. That was a cute father-daughter scene in the kitchen.
 

UA. Always entertained, your alter ego's perspective. Thanks

"Some fool in a bizarre combination of white rabbit and 18th-century butler made a drunken pass at her"

If Julia wanted to convince Ratt with a carrot and stick she needed to know for sure if Ratt wanted carrot.

Victoria Camacho did a great job last night, perhaps she always has but I've been distracted by her posturing, disrobing and hairstyle.

Connie was the one that humiliated herself last night.

Ratt taking her own life is just as likely as a shove.

I agree with Daniela, no one cares for her. Well, maybe Petra, but certainly not her family. If she didn't act out she is invisible like Miguel.

 

Wow, UA. Splendid!!!

I so wanted to catch this episode, but had a late work call with a global market. But your recap gave me everything and more.

So as I thought, the violence is ramping up. I too think Connie would be blamed for this though how her itty bitty person could throw Ratt over is beyond me. I can see where maybe this wasn't a malicious intent murder. More confrontation leading to an accident. My first thought was Miguel actually. The mild manner nerd who might get it in himself to confront the cause of Connie's problems with Erick.

Ideally it is Erick who will be witnessed in the area who gets the jail time. He needs to hit rock bottom. Callao is too obvious to me, but then again this hasn't been the best written TN.

So what will happen to Dani...something not good?

Well, at least we'll have some fun for awhile solving a mystery.

Daisynjay
 

The Rat had a couple of "suicide attempts" within our observation; makes me wonder if there were previous ones. However, I think this was murder and this episode set up the suspect list.

Miguel has an alibi and no motive. Her death would be contrary to Miguel's interests, as it takes away Erick's motive to leave Consuelo.

Julia's offer was a shot in the dark, but she also had no idea how off her timing was here. On any other occasion Monserrat might have taken her up on it. However, Monserrat had every reason to fear Eladio, none of which Julia knows.

Daniela's family does care about her, but not by her definition. Her definition of caring about her would mean a free rein to bully and gaslight Regina, spend money like it's water, and do nothing else. But that's because she's a narcissist just like Nina.
 

If it is Miguel he went after the wrong person and better served if he put tacks in Ericks seat at the dinner table. Connie's twisted logic blames Ratt for her pain because she taunts her when it is Erick that makes her a fool again and again.
 

I think Connie was fully aware that Erick is the source of her pain last night. It's him that she went after first. When Rat came after her is when she lashed back. But when she an Erick to the fight outside, everything she was saying was spot on about how HE has broken their marriage.
 

Absolutely, Vivi.

Also, with regard to the idea of it being Miguel, I really think that of Arturo's four children only Erick is truly expendable, at least right now. It would be unfair of the writers to leave Arturo with only one loyal and loving child (Regina) at the end of this tale. Daniela is stubborn but still young enough to change. Miguel is socially awkward which many of you are reading as creepy, but he isn't evil. He is doing his best to be understanding of his father's errors as a parent and a human being.

Consuelo has woken up to Erick being responsible for the death of their marriage. If he isn't the killer he will find another slut fairly soon. However, the necklace and the catfight will put Consuelo on the hot seat despite the fact that Monserrat provoked her first and Consuelo is both shorter, lighter, and pregnant. She doesn't have the physical strength nor would she find it necessary to kill the slut whose existence actually helped her find out who her husband really is.
 

Did MonZorrat have a shocking lack of self-preservation instinct and a tendency to tee off the wrong people? Yes. Was she practically walking around in PyP World with a bullseye target on her back? Absolutely. Did I expect they'd kill her off this soon in the story and on a Tuesday no less? No way, no how, I was totally taken off guard! Still, I'm glad this happened on your watch UA, because I know you'll have a field day with it and you'll delight us with a masterpiece of a recap. Haven't read it yet, I'm saving it up for later, but I thank you in advance because I'm positive I'm in for a treat!

Gotta dash! Thanks again and catch you guys later!
 

MonZorrat's (good one!) cajoling of Eladio about him not attending the party (Monday's episode) was some kind of death wish. Or she was dumber than a bag of rocks if she forgot that having him and Erick in the same room could be a bloodbath. I'm surprised Aldo wasn't more adamant about that.

Of course, he likes money just as much as she does and encouraged her to get what she could from Eladio. I'm sure he's hoping to get the car.
 

Thanks for the recap, UA.

Who did it? This will drive me crazy for the rest of the show! I am going to eliminate Franco because he was examined by a doctor and really is hurt. But, Marintina is not....does anyone ever remember seeing Marintina and the Ratt together? Mar could have done the job for Franco.

Next off my list is Connie. She was gripping her stomach, she's pregnant and Ratt would have taken her on and not coward in fear. I can't see Miguel doing it because the Ratt keeps Erick away from Connie. BUT....he could have done it because she was bothering Connie. BUT...that actress always plays the bad guy....hmmmm.

Eladio, Callao and Erick are too obvious.


It has to be Nina. She's always lying for her children and manipulating them. The Ratt would affect her relationship with her husband because he'll use any excuse. I'm going with Nina.

I will say this! Somebody saw something, so somebody's gotta get blackmailed soon. There were too many people at the apartment that night.
 

Why would Nina dirty her hands? Her plan to reign in her family was working (at least it was until the jewelry delivered to Connie but she doesn't know yet) and preparing to leave on her trip with Art.

Julia could have returned out of desperation for another attempt to persuade Ratt.
 

I also don't think it was Nina. As tofie pointed out she didn't yet know about the necklace and nobody who did was likely to tell her yet. Nina would be more likely to tell Erick off and insist he be more discreet. As far as she's concerned Consuelo should take a flying leap off a balcony she hates her that much.

I also think that the Rat was killed on the balcony or just inside and thrown off the balcony already dead. If she jumped she would have been screaming on the way down.
 

Urban- Thank you so much for an excellent retelling of this episode.

Wow, what an episode! Now The Ratt's been exterminated and we have ourselves a whodunit mystery. Things are getting a more interesting now on PyP land.

If it's someone we least expect then it probably is Aldo. Eladio and Callao would be too obvious- so I don't think it's either of them.

Of course The Ratt could have fallen to her own death by herself, whether it be a suicide or an accident. She had been drinking heavily so she could have fallen off. We also know that she is suicidal and the thought of losing it all might have sent her over the edge (literally).
 

Thanks for this most excellent informative and entertaining recap, UA. Well done and very useful for me since once again last night the CCs were woeful.

I have lots of thoughts about this episode but since I'm on my way out to do errands this morning, I'll just submit my prime suspect:

Julia... she all but confessed (by TN standards) before the crime with this:

“You know me well. I'm not going to hurt her.”

Case closed. Next!

Carlos
 

I'm going to put my money on Erick being the killer.

The obvious suspects are Consuelo & Eladio.

Consuelo's motive is being angry that Ratt was Erick's mistress.

Eladio's motives are being cheated on with Erick & finding out Ratt was passing Gomez Luna secrets to Erick.

Party guests saw both people storm into the party and have a scene with Ratt.

The unlikely suspects are:

Nina, Julia, Franco, Miguel, Marintia, Gaby, Pajama Guy*, Aldo

Erick never went home after he/Connie left the party. He pushed Connie down & stormed off, but later we see him lurking around the building and going in.

I think Erick saw Eladio/Callao leaving the building and realized Montserrat was still sleeping with Eladio. He's betraying his dad, buying expensive gifts for her, trying to leave his wife for her and come to find out she is still sleeping with Eladio.

Thus, he goes back in Montserrat's apartment with an angry demeanor, she realizes he knows she's still sleeping with Eladio, they have a lover's quarrel and over the balcony she goes.

It sets the stage to get Erick out of Regina's way at the end of the story, because he will be found out and will either go to prison for Ratt's murder or kill himself. Either outcome ensures that REGINA becomes the heiress apparent to Grupo Montenegro (Miguel can be head of IT & if/when Dani shapes up, she can run the PR/Advertising/Marketing Department).
 

Erick knew that the Rat was still servicing Eladio (since all she got in return was her cushy lifestyle). She was going to continue to do so until someone else came along with a bigger bank account and better equipment. He was in no position to be jealous, especially if he had any expectation of getting important confidential information from her.

Which I doubt Eladio would have been stupid enough to tell her in the first place.

However, it could have dawned on him after leaving the party and insulting Consuelo that he would only have been a bank account to the Rat, which meant she was playing him for a fool. That would make him mad enough to kill her in his drunken state.

Julia is the tallest of the female suspects, but she had no motive. Her exit line when talking to Gabriela may be telling and obvious in most novelas, but it would be contrary to her nature. She had gone past the point where the Rat's existence meant anything to her. However, she didn't close the door behind her when she left, which allowed the killer to get in, although Eladio would have used his key or given it to Callao, who would be smart enough to wear gloves.

On that note, Julia's fingerprints are likely to be on the champagne bottle and the doorknob. Consuelo's might be on the necklace, if it's still in the apartment.

Since the necklace was such a big deal and very expensive, Erick could have retrieved it to sell back to the jeweler (typical dumb move on his part) or he might use it to frame Consuelo, who does not have the strength to kill the slut and heave her over the balcony. Any Law & Order crime scene unit would look at the building height, the angle of the fall, and the victim's weight and conclude that the killer is most likely to be a healthy male over a certain height and weight.

Marintia? She might have the strength, but her only motive would be to become the Rat's replacement, which would be foolish. She knows Franco wants to get back in, but wouldn't see a connexion here. He's back in the G-L mansion, which is his best route to getting back in the company.
 

You did this action-packed episode justice, UA! Many thanks for an exquisite recap written in your trademark literary style!

The pace of story-telling has picked up since Julia's accidental fall down the staircase of doom, but with this surprise murder and the ensuing investigation, we're gearing up for an even more dynamic pace! I am loving me some PyP now! :)

When I watched the episode I really did not sense a murder coming until Julia left Montse's flat. Only then I realized that something was amiss because there was a parade of characters coming and going, in and out of the ill-fated birthday bash. Right then a bunch of details that didn't register before hit me: Montse's choice of costume, Callao pointing Montse out to Eladio by saying "She's Death", Eladio threatening Montse in the balcony, Consuelo leaving the Montenegro mansion adamant that "things can't stay this way", Julia mirroring Eladio's aggressive grab of Montse's jaw and threatening her… The pieces of the puzzle fell into place and as Aldo entered the flat to console his best friend, I felt a tinge of sadness that PyP's Resident Ho, our infamous Ratt/ RatHo/ MonZorrat will be no more! She and her distracting bubble booty will no longer grace our screens, her garish makeup will no longer burn our retinas, her slobbering smooches and awkward horizontal monkey sex with Chimp Boy will no longer turn our stomachs… This was a sad day indeed! And now that I mourned her character for the appropriate 5 seconds she deserves, I'm excited and giddy with anticipation at what the new episodes will bring!

My two cents on the whodunnit:

1) Either it's the one we least expect to commit murder from the list of characters that paraded in Montse's flat, in this case Julia or Consuelo;

2) Or it's someone we didn't even see at the birthday bash (or the after-party pity fest). In this case, it could be just about anyone: Franco hiring someone to frame Erick as payback for his beating, Dani in her drunk stupor going there to look for her brother and fighting with Montse, Arturo or Nina threatening a little too forcefully their idiot son's gold-digging lover, Miguel going too far in his desire to defend Consuelo and/or punish Erick, Gabi looking for her aunt and getting a little overprotective… My money is more on this second option where a character that was not shown as visiting Montse's flat, goes there, gets into a heated argument with her, things get out of hands and Montse winds up flying over the balcony!

Eladio is too obvious a choice for the murderer. He couldn't possibly have killed Montse because they lingered too much on their fight yesterday. Still, one thing is for sure, he'll get into a world of trouble and will be the prime suspect because he's the employer with benefits, so many people can testify to him being at the party and Aldo saw him beat and threaten Montse. Erick is also too obvious, especially that they showed him go back into Montse's building just a scene or two before she died. Besides, he luuuurves her too much!
 

-- A quote from the capítulo --

“Qué creíste, eh? Que me estabas viendo la cara, eh? Qué creíste? Ya te lo había dicho, te acuerdas? A Eladio Gómez Luna nadie lo traiciona sin que haya consecuencias! (...) Ven para acá! Ven para acá! (...) No te hinques! Vas a hacer algo muy sencillo: vas a recoger todo porque ya te vas a largar de aquí!” *

* Eladio threatening MonZorrat, just as we held our collective breath thinking he was going to throw her over the balcony: “What were you thinking, eh? That you were going to take me for a fool, eh? What were you thinking? I’ve already told you, remember? Nobody betrays Eladio Gómez Luna without incurring consequences! (...) Come here! Come here! Don’t get down on your knees! You’re going to do something very simple: you’re going to collect everything because you’re getting the heck out of here!”

Verle la cara a alguien = to take someone for a fool, to take advantage of someone, to pull the wool over someone’s eyes, to trick or scam someone (a little bit of all the aforementioned rolled into one handy expression!). There are a lot of variations to this: you can simply say “verle la cara a alguien” or you can add an adjective that means “fool”, so you get “verle la cara de idiota / tonto(a) / estúpido(a) / imbécil / tarugo(a) a alguien”

Acordarse = to remember, to recall.

Traicionar = to betray, to dupe, to double-cross.

Hincarse = to kneel down.

Sencillo = simple, easy, basic.

Recoger = to gather up, to pick up, to collect.

Largarse = to leave, to beat it. Basically, this is the polite, television-friendly way of telling someone to bugger off.
 

Whoever killed her, it's someone she knows. We haven't seen her in any interaction with any of the Montenegros other than Erick and Consuelo. If she and Nina had ever had words, we would have seen that.

When Daniela is wasted she couldn't do anything like this; she can barely walk straight. Besides, she has no motive. She is out defying even Nina right now at this drunken orgy of a club so she would aid and abet her brother in his cuckolding of Consuelo. She's making a spectacle of herself at the club, so perfect alibi. Not even on the suspect list.
 

Nandicta: thanks for the good wishes. It's not that I find this TN dreary so much as that it just hasn't grabbed me (except for those few items I mentioned before). I don't care for Art or Julia. David and Regina are so vanilla. I can't believe I'm saying this because I'm not fond of the bad girls (like our Carlos), but the only interesting character for me is Daniela. She's so eviiiiiiil! I also like FC's portrayal of Eladio. Now that he's settled into the role, he's pretty interesting, too.

Says a lot that I find villains a reason to watch. Means the heroes aren't all that for me. Which means I don't really care what happens to them.

Nanette
 

Montserrat and Nina did have words several weeks back, when Nina busted in on Ratt/Erick in bed when Erick was sent out of town to negotiate with the striking workers. Nina basically told her she was a ho on the come up and she would NEVER be a Montenegro so scram.

Ratt was naked in the bed while Nina chewed her out.
 

Urban- Nina and Montse have met, and had words. Remember the hotel room in Tabasco with Erick?
 

Anon207- Jinx!
 

I don't think Daniela is evil at all. I think she's a spoiled little rich girl who's been ignored by her father who held her studious, hardworking older sister in higher esteem. The only attention she gets is when she is acting up. She has no direction in life and the only thing she feels confident in doing is being pretty, being a man magnet and partying.

Daniela would be the perfect events coordinator/PR/Marketing executive at Grupo Montenegro but she's been ignored and left to her own devices. She is intelligent but her intelligence has been steered by Nina to silly, vapid things.

Dani is quite likeable when she's with Petra; she's actually the most charming of the 4 Montenegro children.

I hope at the end of this tale she learns to make something of herself instead of wasting her life away drinking, partying and having sex with whoever.
 

OK, I remember now. I also remember predicting that it was a precursor to something but I thought at the time that it would Arturo catching them and then throwing Chimp-Boy out to swing from the trees. However, I don't think Nina knew about the party.

In fact, I'm surprised she hasn't been checking his cell phone.
 

-- UA: Nina and the Ratt have met before, in a hotel room in Tabasco. Well, it wasn't so much a meeting as Nina barged in on her while she was doing the nasty with Chimp Boy. Also, I believe the Ratt knows the entire Montenegro family at least by sight, because she was introduced to Erick when he first started dating her frenemy Consuelo and it's very likely she was invited to their wedding; she also saw the Montenegros at Julia's charity event and must've read about them in PyP's People Magazine.


-- Nanette: You're not the only one here who faithfully tunes in just to watch what the PyP villanos are up to; I've been gushing over them for so long, I'm starting to sound like a broken record! I've even set up a Baddies Table that encompasses all of them except for MonZorrat QEPD and Mouth-Breather Marintia, whom I don't care for. Here I have a front row seat to the action where I can boo and hiss at Arturo and Julia at will, cheer unashamedly for Eladio and relish the humorous antics of Erick, Dani, Franco, Gisela and Humberto! :)

I personally believe that generally-speaking, the average actor will make you hate a villain. It's not that hard a feat to accomplish because it's written in the role that a villain does despicable things which inspire the viewers' loathing. On the other hand, an excellent actor will make you like a villain, enjoy seeing them when they appear on your screen, look forward to their shenanigans, find immense pleasure in their sense of humor, mannerisms, charisma, vitality and twisted determination. I find this particularly relevant in PyP, especially that we have a deeply flawed, if not right down detestable, protagonist, a pathetic, gullible and indecise protagonista and a vanilla young couple that fails to stir our passions!
(Speaking of passion, I was watching scenes from "Pasión" yesterday and maaaaaaan was the main couple sizzling! They melted my screen just talking to each other!)
 

-- Vivi and Anon207: Sorry, I posted before seeing you already pointed out that Nina and the Ratt have met before.
 

My favorite is Daniela and savor every second she's on screen. I have very high hopes for her.
 

I do like the idea of it eventually being Erick so we can take his sorry a** out of the picture by the end of this. We could go with the old adage is after your first murder, the next one is easier considering he set up Franco and that could have resulted in his death. And Erick thinks he seemingly got away with it.

But honestly, if it is him, I don't think it was planned. They were both very drunk and any kind of fussing between them and to the balcony could easily have sent her stumbling and over. Of course, I think his demeanor will say a lot when he's back at the mansion. He is a milquetoast and doesn't hide things well, so I would think he'll be a basket case if he was involved at all.

Aldo is a fascintating idea. He fed off Montse, enjoyed her spoils. If she was threatened and thrown off by both men, and Eladio states she has no job ability anywhere nearby, then there goes his freebies and maybe meal ticket for what she might have shared with him money wise. So he offs her and takes the last of her ill-gotten gains?

One thing too is he's an awful snoop. Seems every time she had visitors, he was right there when they left. If anyone saw the final comings and goings, I would think he did.

Daisynjay
 

-- Tofie: I'm a big fan of Daniela as well. I felt sorry for her when she was drunk and lonely in that club. The actress is doing a great job and I would like to see more of her work in the future. Can you believe that the guy who plays Justino and the actress who played Maribel are credited BEFORE Irina Baeva (Daniela)? I noticed this yesterday and was perplexed (and a little panicked): Why is Maribel still showing up in the opening credits? Is she coming back from the dead?
 

Well, neither Justino or Maribel have pictures in the credits while Dani has 2 pictures.

Speaking of Credits, why is "Jorge Salinas --- Arturo" under Fernando Colunga and "Fernando Colunga --- Eladio" under Jorge Salinas?

Every other actor who is pictured has their name under their picture "Susana Gonzalez --- Julia", "Marlene Favela --- Nina" etc.

Erick, Regina & Dani have pictures in the credits but Miguel does not. Poor Miguel.
 

Anon207, they're doing the same thing as in movie posters lately where the actors' names are mixed up vis a vis the photo. I fail to understand this practice.

Position in credits may have to do with seniority at the network rather than who your character is in the story once we're past the primary leads and most important supporting characters.

I don't think Aldo mooched off the Rat. I think he's a trust fund baby 40 years later.

I agree with Daisy that if it's Erick he didn't plan it but he might be angry with her rejection because he didn't present payment (the necklace).
 

-- Anon 207: I guess having her picture twice in the opening credits is an acknowledgment of Irina Baeva's talent (and beauty). Miguel is indeed the only Montenegro child whose photo is missing from the credits, which reflects the way he's been ignored by his family for so many years.

There are two giant close-ups of FC and JS faces that show up first, briefly, and correspond to the right name order before both actors are shown in reverse order (FC inside JS's face and JS inside FC's face). I think this is the producer's way of giving FC first credit without ticking off JS (I'm just speculating, because from seeing a couple of interviews, including the infamous one where he mocked Alan Tacher, JS got exasperated by the attention that FC and his character were getting. In the first press conference that introduced the cast, JS was asked if he was "number 1" in the credits and he replied that he was number 2 because God is number 1).
 

UA--What a tour de force. Just finished the recap. Of course, I have my own suspicions as to the perp, but I will keep mum until I've read all the comments--who others think showed up at MontWASaRatt's door. The recap was truly spectacular. You provide us with ALL the dialog. It would take me days just to type it all up! Thank you, mucho.
 

Ok--I can't resist--it was Pajama Man who was pithed because his sleep was interrupted.
 

Oh, and we left out Humberto as a suspect. He could have rolled on over there, no? He probably knew Eladio was spending his Shady Rest rebate on her.
 

Ok, Vivi, you got to pajama man first. I swear I hadn't started reading yet!!!!
 

Just finished the recap! I might just have to start watching this one again!

Thanks UA for the awesome recap. I love your style for this TN. Fits perfectly.

Nanette
 

Never really dawned on me before watching the credits, but the lack of photo of Miguel in the credits can also be with some shows an indication the character is not meant to be front and center through the whole show. He is a rather elusive character that seems to be a sidebar to everyone else's stories, but none really of his own, and that includes Connie who he is the most connected to plot wise. Little strange as he is one of Artie's kiddies. Every story has to have the good person tragic character...I wonder if this bodes badly for him he fits that bill?

Daisynjay
 

Gracias Urban
I knew it would be a great party
 

There are multiple pictures of Eladio, Julia, Art and Nina.

There's one of David.

There's 2 of Regina.

There's 2 of Dani

There 1 of Erick

There's 1 of Franco

There's 1 of Consuelo

There's 2 of Gaby

There's 1 of Augie

There's 1 of RIP Ratt

And that's it, I think.
 

-- Daisynjay: To be fair, I only said what I said about the absence of a Miguel photo in the credits as a joke, he's the perpetually invisible child even there! However, it could be that the role was cast later when the opening credits were already finalized or maybe they didn't judge the Miguel actor photogenic enough (I personally think he's cute when he's not ogling Consuelo or staring blankly into space). Your interpretation is also accurate, sometimes less important characters don't figure as prominently in the credits, but I hope they don't plan on making Miguel "the good person tragic character". He's creepy but he hasn't hurt anybody and deserves his happily-ever-after, hopefully with a nice girl who loves him and who isn't his (ex)sister-in-law!
 

I'm sticking to Nina as the murderer. Nina is the villain and has yet to impress me with her villainous (I don't think that's a word) ways. So far she's just a big b*tch. So, that's why I'm sticking with her.

P.S. Based on Art's behavior, whatever she does to him when she finds out is justified. His behavior is despicable and I don't like him. He's mentally abused her and he's tearing down her self-esteem. I don't like her either, but I would understand if she ran him over in the parking lot and backed over him a few times.
 

UA, you were at your best with "The mere presence of the two unloved females in his family was enough to make him want to crack whips again".

Fantastic recap to an explosive and intriguing episode.

Excellent comments. I vote Eladi did it.

Julia? Really Carlos? :)

Diana
 

I watched the opening credits a couple of times and I have a theory, it's silly and way out there, but I noticed that the very first frame is red with the body of a woman lying down, from her nose and blunt hair cut, it looks like it may be Montserrat. There are 2 other characters whose first (or only) photo we see in the credits is entirely red: Franco and (gasp!) Agustín. Either the producers slipped us a subliminal message that Frank and (gasp!) Auggie will get murdered / die in violent accidents or someone slipped a hallucinogenic substance in my dinner. My money is on the latter. :D
 

I haven't finished the comments yet (interruptions).

Do we know for SURE she's dead? Remember Javier, El Dragon, being thrown off from a balcony several floors down onto the top of a car in Reina de Corazones and he ended up just banged up a bit? Hmmmm. Maybe we haven't seen the last of ... all the things Nandicta called her.

Musings on these possible suspects:

Eladio: But we need to find out what Eladio asked Callao to do for him after Callao said he'd do anything for him, because Eladio saved his daughter. For me, that set up just *has* to be a red herring because it's too obvious--Callao going back to go through with *whatever* Eladio wanted him to do.

Eladio seemed content with getting rid of her by withdrawing his financial support, throwing her out of the apartment and ending her career.

Erick: We all saw him go back into the apartment. The Ratt's fearful, TU, could mean Erick--the fight, the humiliation, his leaving her high and dry--but that is also too obvious.

Franco: Agree, laid up in bed, but was he really that banged up? He had an underlying motive. He did want Erick exposed and tried to blackmail her. (Didn't he rough her up a bit when that took place?) But Gaby seemed to be glued to him in bed.

Nina: If it comes down to the unexpected being the suspected, Nina does fit the bill, although I still don't know what her motive would be. She was ok with Erick having a mistress, as disgusting as she was, because she dislikes Consuelo even more. She was supposed to be packing for their very early NY flight. I'm going to eliminate Petra and Dani. Dani was too drunk, regardless of motive.

I think I'm just going to sit on the sidelines and say it was Julia or Consuelo returning (she would have used the familiar tu with Connie), and there was a struggle. Either that or it was Erick or Eladio coming back for some reason she took a flying leap off the balcony on her own rather than take another beating at his hands.

I LOVE A MYSTERY.
 

UA--Fabulous screen shot. I actually thought the Ratt's disfraz was excellent--loved the spine at her neck.

Cynderella--I didn't have a chance to comment yesterday on your Naughty but Verrra Nice recap. You have a way of making unmentionables in polite society sound absolutely normal on the Patio. It certainly didn't interfere with our laughing and discussing (not to mention eating and drinking).
 

thank you, Urban! This was a fun episode and you more than did it justice.

I'm so excited to see two of my guilty pleasures combined – telenovelas and whodunnits. Oh boy, a ¿Quién lo hizo?
 

Regarding Dani-- If Dani wants to have a good relationship with her father, she too can finish college, or go hang out with him in the kitchen late at night, drinking some tea and shooting the breeze. I don't think Art would kick her out of the kitchen. I think he'd be delighted. But I think Dani would be bored to tears by such an encounter, so her boohoos about nobody loving/caring about her don't move me. You have to show you're interested in other people (their thoughts and feelings) for them to reciprocate.
 

Yes, Daisynjay--I think it happened your way, too--I was just late in reading. Could have saved you all some space.
 

I can see Dani as a little girl run up to Art for some attention, he's reading the Financial Times, and without looking at her reach in his pocket for a quarter and tell her to go by a Popsicle.
 

Nandicta, you crack me up! Here's a laugh out loud moment for me:

"And now that I mourned her character for the appropriate 5 seconds she deserves, I'm excited and giddy with anticipation at what the new episodes will bring!"
 

UA, very good recap.A Very good murder Mystery. And there are.....
Several suspects. But Something I noticed, the person that may have
Done this wasn't short. Connie is not
Tall. This person was eye level to rat
Lady she would have been lookin ↓ if
It were connie, cuz shes short. The
Way the camara was eyelevel with her, This person was tall like her, so that Leaves, erick, eladio, his suck up henchman, Miguel, julia, even someone we've never seen before. Just not connie. I just feel sorry for her, shes married to a jackass. I probably should not Insult that animal like that, they're even more intelligent in their stubborness than that stupid jerk is.

Danny is complaining that everyone
Is happier in her house than she is?
The girl obviously has no idea what happiness looks like. her mother is a lying sex manipulator, her father is somewhat whipped, and sister in law Is just sad, that family is a mess. There's nothing to be happy about in their house.

The ratt was signing her own death
Warrant. What was she thinkin with
That death mask? For her birthday
Costume? Really? She clearly was' t
Thinking at all. Ok that my take on it.
 

"I can see Dani as a little girl run up to Art for some attention, he's reading the Financial Times, and without looking at her reach in his pocket for a quarter and tell her to go by a Popsicle."


Tofie- Yep. I he would have done the same to Regina, Erick, and Miguel. Only difference is that then Dani (or Erick) could run to Nina and she'd take them out to get a Popsicle AND some new toys and clothes. Then she'd turn to Gina, ridicule her for what she was wearing and tell her to stay home until she became socially presentable, and then turned to "the bastard" and ask him what the hell he was looking at.
 

Cynderella, you can't tear down self-esteem where it doesn't exist.

Narcissists are bottomless pits. Nothing you say or do is enough and they take offense at everything that they don't agree with. It offends Nina that Regina is nothing like her which is completely abnormal. They never accept truths about themselves. They get away with this when people coddle them by putting up with their self-centeredness but that is not the way to deal with them.

No, Arturo is not mistreating Nina. She is a bottomless pit of need and should see a shrink herself. However, no narcissist I have ever heard of ever sees one because none of them believe there is anything wrong with them.
 

Vivi, I have to admit I yell at Miguel too asking him what he's looking at.
 

Diana,

Yes... Julia. Hey, I don't make the TN rules. When she said, “You know me well. I'm not going to hurt her,” she all but announced that she was going over there to whack her. Did you notice how crazy and irrationally she was talking? Probably they argued a bit more, a little pushin' n shovin' and yikes! over the rail goes poor Montse.

UA,

"No, Arturo is not mistreating Nina."

Seriously? Then how would you define the way he is deceiving her and plotting against her while holding out hope of saving their marriage. Although I don't consider Nina a narcissist, even if she were, I think that it's quite possible to abuse a narcissist (but beware, I suspect that narcissists probably hold grudges).

Carlos
 

Re: Julia. I keep remembering how she had gotten The Ratt's makeup on her fingers. She wiped them on her purse at one point. She was the only person that that tangled with The Ratt that worried about having the makeup on her. I think she may be set up as being falsely accused of murder. I think Eladio sent Callao back to kill her.
 

Not even going to hazard a guess at whodunit. I do believe she was either dead or unconsious when she went over the balcony. Otherwise, she would have screamed. Only other explanation is that she killed herself, which doesn't seem likely to me. It would be quite a twist, though.

Just started reading recaps and comments again after taking a few weeks off. Remembering how much I enjoy all you guys.


 

Thank you UA! Wow what an episode and you did it wonderful justice. Being here in the Great Nwest I am as usual.. late to the recap party.

I had posted a comment on that last eppy that I felt a murder was coming at that party and wow..here we go. Pretty sure we all saw the Rat's days as numbered. I have to say I am glad. I was tired of her and didn't really enjoy her trampy character. We never saw her do anything except answer the door in lingerie, coo all over her 'customers' and then beg them to stay the night. She was a filthy waste of time better spent on other characters I am far more interested in. Good riddance although she was lovely..what a shame.

It appeared to me that the last person she saw before she went over the rail was not someone she was expecting to see. Therefore I'm going to rule out Eladio and Julia and even Consuelo. They seem to easy and it's usually never who you expect.

Nina is a good suspect and certainly, as pointed out by others has a great motive. I don't know..I guess I just don't see her as the murdering type. Although accidents do happen and a scuffle could certainly lead to her falling over the rail.

I really like the Aldo theory. He was a huge mooch and I think that's one reason he was so close to the Rat. Her wealth and perks were his perks. If she ruins it for herself, he suffers too. I think seeing all these people threatening her gives him easy motive to off her and not be the prime suspect. It also paves the way for him to blackmail anyone he saw and keep that money flowing in to maintain his lifestyle.

I also had a thought that perhaps it could be someone we haven't met yet or that we've seen in the Rat's company.

I really feel for Daniela and I think something is going to happen to the girl. I'm hoping she won't be assaulted by that skeezy guy. He had a very predatory look about him.


 

So....it's "Who shot JR?" ..."Murder , She Wrote." I guess that Mony's costume was a bit of irony.

I don't think that Julia pushed her because Mony was keeping Eladio busy which suited Julia as she panted after her onetruelove (as if) Artie. I suppose Connie will be charged because the chickfight had lots of witnesses.

 

I have to add, that now that we have a murder mystery...I'm all in with this one. There is no turning back for me.

Do we know anything more about Caridad? Could she have some times to the Rat? It occurs to me that we don't really know too much about her back story. Or if it was mentioned I missed it.

Does anyone have any info. All I recall is she is Franco's mother and Gisela's daughter.

I will check in later..thank you UA again for a wonderful recap.
 

Triple WOW!!! Both for your recap Urban and also for last nights show. I know that I'm late again but must put in my two cents.

Daniela wore her city version of Daisy Dukes

His attempt of fooling himself into being happy with Nina was doomed to failure.

Aldo was wasted on champagne and substances unknown.

They sounded like spectators in the Colosseum.

Urban---there were more examples of your superb writing but---well this is a good sampling.

Nandicta at 1:38PM---What a great paragraph about loathing and yet loving the villain. All of my life I had hated the bad guys or the evil villain if you will. When I discovered novelas I didn't understand what the or why the great interest in the villain be it male or female. There always seemed to be a buzz around the bad guy/girl that I just didn't get. And then---and then I was mesmerized by Albert Estrella as Danilo in La Malquerida and I finally got it. I loathed him but couldn't wait for the next scene that he would be in. That guys performance, to me was amazing. I wanted him to win the award for best villain, he didn't but I will never look at the villain as I had in the past ever again.

Cynderella---A BIG thank you for calling Nina a b*tch. I had wanted to for soooo long but was afraid of being tarred and feathered or of being boiled in oil out on the patio. Neither of which I wanted to experience and so I fell back on the old standby of witch/bruja. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that can see Nina for what she is.

Ok---Now who did it to Montse? I have read ALL of the patio's thoughts and comments and at this time do not have a definite opinion. But I did read one comment that stated, do we really know that the Rat is dead? She may not be. It me be that she is just badly injured. We don't as of yet know. However, if Montse really is dead,
how did it happen? Who did she encounter? There was no name given only a tu. At this point, I don't know any more than the rest of you but I would rule out Franco.
He is in bed recovering from his beating and Gaby was with him. Consuelo? I don't think so. She did get into the white car/jeep and drove off but Consuelo is a small
petite woman and pregnant as well. She would loose in a fight with the rat. It is possible that Montse was backing up to keep some distance from Tu, lost her balance and went over the balcony. And yet, there was no scream. It was suggested that she was killed and then thrown over the balcony which would explain the silence of the fall. If she was thrown over the balcony, it definitely wasn't Consuelo. Eladio? No way. he had already cut off her money stream and besides, he never would do something like that, he has a henchman for those things. The annoyed neighbor aka pajama man? Could be but I for one am staying tuned. I'm not going to miss one minute of PyP.

One last thing.
Carlos---Julia? For shame Carlos for shame. HOW COULD YOU? One more like that and you will be banned from the patio.

must see tv
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Trust me, Carlos, she is a narcissist. My mother was one so I am as much of an expert as any non-psych professional can be.

Tonight's episode will merit a serious investigation for details. Let's start with...

A pre-dawn departure for Arturo and Nina to the airport save's Chimp Boy's butt for the time being. Anything about this situation isn't something anyone would want to discuss over the phone so it will be a few days before they find out about this. Or about Daniela's drunken show at the club. This might give Chimp Boy the opportunity to invent something Nina will be willing to swallow but that will make Arturo suspicious.

Franco will need more than a few days to recover based on the amount of blood he lost during that beating. He already suspects Chimp Boy of having sent those thugs after him. Based on how TNs tend to mirror situations he will send someone after Chimp Boy sooner or later.

We have to hope to see Aldo to scrutinize his behavior tonight.

And I have to catch up on MIVAC, too....
 

I am loving all the guesses and speculations in the comment section! It looks like MonZorrat's saving grace as a character is that, by doing us the favor of getting whacked, she cranked up the pace of this TN another notch and lured (or lured back) more commenters to the Patio. Nanette, Nina, Joyce, Delilah63, a warm welcome back to all of you! Please grab a seat. Drinks and canapés are on the Baddies Table. ;)


-- Delilah63: You win a special prize for sensing that a murder was underway. You go Glen Coco! You and whoever guessed way back when Aldo was introduced to PyP that he was there as a conveniently-located, appropriately nosy witness in case RatHo gets herself exterminated. I can't remember who said that about Aldo, it was waaaaay back at the beginning, but whoever you are, please come forward because you deserve a resounding round of applause from all of us here! :)
 

Nandicta- I believe I was the one. That episode reminded me of mystery whodoneit with all the angry people going through her apartment (Eladio, Erick, Connie), and Aldo as witness. Now we have a repeat of that situation, but she ended up dead this time.
 

-- Gringo: I loved Alberto Estrella as FC's sidekick in "Pasión". He played a hardened pirate with a heart of gold and he stole the show and our hearts in one fell swoop. I just looked up La Malquerida based on your recommendation and discovered that it not only stars Alberto Estrella in an antagonist role that managed to impress you, abhorer of villains and their villainy, but also Guillermo García Cantú! Thanks for the suggestion :)

I must come to Carlos's defense though regarding Julia. Her desperation brought out an aggressive side to her that took me by surprise (and startled her herself). If you rewatch the scene where she threatens Montse, her body language mirrors that of Eladio in his menacing balcony scene. Her parting words to Montse were chilling; "I can end you!" is not exactly conducive to holding hands and singing kumbaya.

There are many possible culprits, some more plausible than others, only time (and the writers) will tell how this mess will unfold. Until then, please save me a seat in the front row with you, I won't be missing a minute of PyP from now on!
 

gringo,

Whether Julia is guilty or not (for now she still gets my vote), I'd like to see her arrested. Maybe a few nights in a stinky Mexican jail will make her more appreciative of the golden cage she currently inhabits rent free thanks to Eladio.

Carlos
 

Well done, Vivi! A standing ovation and a Mexican Wave!

Chiquitibum a la bim bom ba
Chiquitibum a la bim bom ba
A la bio, a la bao, a la bim bom ba
Vivi, Vivi, Ra Ra Raaaaaaaa! :)
 

:)
 

Urban, thanks. Looking forward to reading your recap tonight.

75 comments - goodness!
 

Carlos: Please don't hold back. ;)

(You really don't like the "good" girls, do you?!)
 

Nanette,

I don't dislike the good girls, notice that I'm quite supportive of Nina who is a loyal faithful compliant wife. At best, Julia is a flake. Miffed that her intended was unfaithful, she apparently married his enemy out of spite and then refused him sex on their wedding night. She's suffered his tyranny for 25 or so years and is now sneaking around behind his back illicitly meeting her former lover and enlisting her young niece as her accomplice. As pets, she kept little birds caged up in crowded close confines and then whined when her husband set them free. And perhaps worst of all, she disrespects and is rude to her elderly crippled invalid father. This lady is in desperate need of professional help and probably supervision.

Carlos