Tuesday, January 12, 2016
Pasión y Poder Martes 1/12/16 #47, 48, 49
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From reading this, looks like Uni cut a few scenes. Scenes with Clara, Gisela, the WTF family, and also David and Regina. Since they had a whole two hours for two episodes, I wonder why they cut those scenes. There isn't a chance that they gave us three episodes, is there?
I look forward to part two tomorrow.
Both Julia and Art admitted to some of their own failings that contributed to choosing the wrong spouses and not helping their marriages be successful. I wish they hadn't made Eladio a rapist and a control freak (it was scary how he was scolding Julia's photo demanding to know where she was every second), because then I could actually support Julia giving it a real go with him. But there are some things that are just unforgivable in my mind, and Eladio has crossed that line many times. I must admit that he looked very attractive is his more relaxed beach wear.
I got a kick out of Art's beachtogs...black bermuda shorts and a white button down shirt. Hello, Moondoggie. QTH? Was that formal beachwear?
The beatdown of Aldo was cringeworthy.
This is a warning to the rest of the team that I fear that last night was an edit of 3 episodes into two. I will know more about that later.
It does appear this was three episodes based on what we saw last night. Really the key things that happened in the third episode that we saw were:
-Erick makes his statement to the police. Art and Auggie urge him to tell the truth and nothing but. Consuelo makes her statement at the police station too. We don't yet know what either said.
-Erick first tries to make nice with Connie before her statement. But after she makes her statement, he assumes she threw him under the bus, and is his usual jerk self to her.
- Erick insults his cellmates, and gets a royal beat down from them. He has to stay in jail for 48 hours while the police gather all the statements and evidence. He's in a snit about that.
-Art tells Nina their marriage can't work anymore. He accepts his blame for their marriage and family failing, but also points to Nina's failings as a mother. He thinks both she and he have a right to be happy, apart. For now, he's moving to the guest bedroom. Nina is stunned.
-Regina calls David and tells him the truth about Eladio being the Rat's lover. Later she calls him and aplogizes for treating him so badly for something his father did. They reaffirm their desire to keep their family drama separate from their relationship. Art is listening in as Regina ends the call telling David how much.She loves him and he doesn't look pleased.
-David confronts Eladio and Julia with the truth. Julia gets Eladio to admit it. David is disgusted with them both. He can't believe that Julia is cool with Eladio having mistresses and staying with him. He says she must love Eladio more than he thought. This seems to have an effect on both Julia and Eladio. They have an honest talk about how they both have responsibility for the failure of their marriage. Radio begs for another chance. Julia seems pensive.
-David comes back and apologizes to his parents. He has no right to meddle in their relationship and loves them both. He later has a man to man conversation with Eladio at the bar and wants to know why Eladio has always been so cold to him. He treats Franco more like a son. Why has he never showed him that he loves him? The company shares/money don't count.
-Art calls Julia and tells her he spoke to Nina. She shocks him by telling him she's thinking of making a real go of her marriage to Eladio. He tries to talk her out of it.
“If Susanna hadn't been pregnant our story would be different"......“But he doesn't respect you. He's been unfaithful.” Does this macho skunk Art care what comes out of his mouth? Cheating on Julia was ok till an inconvenient pregnancy prevented him from hiding it and her from ignoring the betrayal? Damn that Eladio for cheating on Julia and disrespecting her, no way Art would ever disrespect a woman like that.
A mystery monkey was on the lam for three years in Tampa Bay before caught. Nabbing Chimp Boy after a weekend of partying not bad.
I really hope this editing doesn't continue because if it does and we end up simultaneous with Mexico I won't be able to recap at the quality level I do. Or possibly at all if I continue to have problems with Uvideos. This does not please me at all.
What was missing from Mexican episode 49 is stuff with Franco. Gabriela arranged a romantic dinner for them in the dining room with his favorite food and Humberto crashed it. He offended both of them. Franco excused himself from the table and then Gaby did, telling Humberto that he is intolerable. We also learned from that scene that she is an only child. Also, after the young "lovers" left the table it looks like Humberto will drink the entire rest of the wine, which can't be good for him. Too bad. So sad.... NOT.
Franco and Eladio talked about arranging a meeting with Ashmore that will take place in Mexico, possibly in two weeks. Eladio didn't give him a return date because he was trying to settle family issues first. He seemed satisfied with Franco's arrangements.
I have to have some breakfast before I write my comments on the important stuff. Be back in 30.
Although I missed most of this, your conversation translations were crystal clear. I cannot imagine how much time it took you to craft this. It was amazing. Thank you.
Vivi, thank you for adding crucial details.
It appears no one can get on the right page regarding their marriage. Arturo is trying to extricate himself from his while Julia is apparently content to lie in the muck of her marriage.
Arturo is not the loyal, devoted husband and father he believes himself to be. He cheated on Julia and wants to cheat on Nina. He was a poor father. Now, he wants to leave the decimation of a family that is partly his fault, and start another life/family with the one he already cheated on.
Love SG but Julia is frustrating me. She should not be with Eladio or Arturo. Eladio's poisionous spew continues to sting her. There is nothing for her there but more of the same. Arturo promises the world and delivers...what?
Thank you so much!
Diana
I'm struggling with Art & Julia individually and as a couple. They discuss this great love but it sounds like snipping over a grocery list and Art forgot an item at Publix. When I see then paw each other it looks like trying to force the same end of two magnets together.
1.) Purple Lips & Dani's deep seated hatred of Miguel will likely have deadly results.
2.) Counselo's going to certainly lose the baby if she keeps getting stressed out.
3.) Trouble in Paradise between Regina & David.
4.) Gaby has no idea she's getting played by Franco.
5.) Erick getting beat up by cellmates was sweet. However, he's probably going to get out IF the prosecution doesn't have concrete evidence.
6.) Aldo getting attacked & tortured by Eladio & his henchman, Callao.
7.) Efrain was the same guy, who was Peralta's henchman from Hasta El Fin Del Mundo.
I can't believe they combined three episodes into two hours. Hope Univision doesn't keep on doing this. I don't know what they are thinking over there at Univision. It's bad enough they are giving us two hours, but do they have to start cutting now? Ugh.
Urban, we are blessed to have you doing such meticulous, detailed work on this (and loved the fairy-tale photo of Puerto Vallarta)but you would be fully justified, in my opinion, in just throwing up your hands and doing simple highlights. Triple episodes, nooooo
Your descriptions and asides are always so well crafted, but I especially enjoyed
"Julie, who looked like a painting of a martyred saint".
I could just picture that. The actress has the perfect face and visual expression for that role. But you brought it to life with your words.
I'm with tofie that Arturo is no galan, has no integrity and is simply a rounded crayon version of Eladio. He mistreats his current wife more subtly than Eladio mistreats Julia, but it's still the same game. I'm Up and you're Down.
These people are increasingly tiresome but the recapping team is stellar. I'm developing a liking for the brutal Callao simply because he's loyal for a good reason (didn't Eladio save the life of his daughter somehow?) and he's generous (letting Franco take the credit for finding Aldo). So far he seems the best of this sorry lot. He makes a promise and he keeps it. That puts him way ahead of the other "mature" adult men in this mess.
UA, we are beholden to you...this was a great recap, time-consuming for sure, but so well written...
Welcome to Art's midlife crisis. I cannot stop focusing on the bermudas. Is this his idea of letting his hair down and going all surf city beachcomber? It looks as if he took off his jacket and tie and cut off his dress slacks at the knee. Abracadabra...beach blanket bingo.Surfs up ! Where's my surf board ?
Diana, I agree that Julia shouldn't be with anyone right now. She needs time to recover her self from the wreckage of a tortured childhood and an even more toxic marriage. However, from my readings on the subject she is behaving true to form for a woman in her situation regardless of socio-economic or social status. She needs a lot of help.
She should have friends, but she doesn't. We have seen that Eladio has been isolating her all this time and I suspect that once her formal education ended Humberto did the same to her back in the day. We also can't forget that there is so much shame felt by women in such situations that she might be afraid of others' opinions of her because she has been conditioned to believe that "All of This is Your Fault." This is starting from behind the 8-ball and buried under cement.
Eladio and Nina will never change. Both are narcissists and they don't change because they are incapable of seeing their own faults. They have no boundaries because everything is seen and experienced in terms of themselves and nobody (and nothing) else:
Eladio favors Franco because he is like him (which was very obvious in the first half) and despises David because he is like Julia. He has never said so in our hearing, but he doesn't have to. He uses David as a pawn with which to control Julia and if Julia can prove that he is Eladio's son he loses that weapon. That is why he has consistently refused to submit his DNA. His ego needs to keep Julia in a state of self-doubt and fear. He respects no one's feelings.
Nina favors Daniela and Erick because they are exactly like her while Regina is more like Arturo. Her attempt in the opening episode at convincing Regina that she wouldn't have to work with a man to take care of her was laughable in our time, but speaks to her own sense of entitlement which Regina does not share. Nina also despises Miguel and Consuelo because they are not of her DNA and Consuelo doesn't think like her either. If she were a blonde version of Daniela Nina might like her or feel some sense of competition, it's hard to say. Maybe the latter because she doesn't see herself as aging beyond the woman Arturo met 25 years ago.
The whole situation of multiple generations living together is never easy for anyone but with toxic situations such as these two families that include narcissistic parents (this includes Humberto), there are no real boundaries and that is very unhealthy.
More in the next post; it was too long.
Finally, there is Arturo and I'm tired of the negative comments about him. We don't know all of the details of his infidelity to Julia, but he isn't the same person anymore. That was more than half his life ago and normal people change over time. He is capable of seeing his own errors. He had suffered from depression (and might again since the writers know that JS performs that very well) and dealt with it in a couple of the classic ways men deal with it: Sex and work. Nina provided good nooky and he became a workaholic. That lasted an awfully long time, longer than usual. To her credit, Nina has been a smart (or very lucky) gold-digger so far because she bagged someone whose looks and sexual talent suited her and hasn't spent beyond his means. Something that could change if she decides to get nasty because he is looking to divorce her.
I've said before that we can't hold Arturo to today's parenting standard for fathers (We certainly should hold Erick, David, Miguel, and Franco to that, since it looks like Justino is meeting the standard). However, he married on the rebound, without getting to know Nina well. He had no idea when he married Nina that she would be a worse mother than he was a father. She could hide that more easily when the children were children and Arturo came home from the office after they were all asleep. However she now has less control over them because they are now legal adults and as they say, as you sow so shall ye reap. Erick and Daniela are spoiled brats with no sense of responsibility while Miguel and Regina are deficient in self-esteem outside of their work. I'll bet that she took their toys away from them if Erick and Daniela demanded them as kids and threatened dire consequences if they ratted her out to Arturo.
Her enabling of Erick in his flight from Mexico City was absolutely the wrong thing to do but like a true narcissist she blames Arturo for it. He's a hothead but not a rage monster. He would have called Augustin and gotten him in to handle this calmly and sensibly. Daniela also enabled Erick and blames Consuelo for his actions. Neither owned up to this, which cost Arturo a wasted night of searching for Erick and will ultimately cost Erick a lot of credibility.
BTW, here is an article about the US divorce rate. It's not increasing. However, it does illustrate that none of our four "mature" characters were old enough to marry when they did.
What I would have done with #49 is comment on how the press has been behaving in that episode. They should not have been allowed to be present for a police interrogation. I'm going to re-watch it later for Erick's statement because I think there were a few untruths in it. Consuelo's was not heard by us in the original either.
Callao.... I must have previously described him as resembling a Mafia hit man. He has the look and the manner and may be as sadistic as Luca Brasi. I should save that line.
I dvr'd it but I doubt I will get to it this weekend. Though all of the talk about Art's awful beach wear may have me fast forwarding to those parts. Plus, I'd like to see the drunken Erick scenes and him in jail. He is such a buffoon I can't help but laugh at everything he does.
Must admit I don't feel that bad for Aldo (though maybe I would feel differently if I had watched him get beat up.) He was complicit with the Ratt in trying to get as much from Erick and Eladio as possible.
Many thanks for the colossal amount of work you undertook! I can't believe they condensed three episodes into two hours. I watch episodes online and watching 3 in a row was exhausting! I can't imagine trying to recap three in one go, especially since there was sooo much going on.
Things are getting complicated and confusing. I felt so sorry for Arturo when he started crying and I think Julia did well in comforting him with a hug. Then he started unzipping her dress and pushing for nookie and saying that his wife of 25 years, with whom he had always been lovey-dovey (by Regina's admission) and who gave him 3 children never meant a thing to him! Wow! Any smidgen of empathy for him disappeared right at that instant! Then back in Mexico City, he goes back to being his obnoxious unbearable self and he does his "It's not me, it's you" break up speech where he doesn't own up to his faults as a spouse or as a father, doesn't reveal the real reason why he wants out of the relationship yet he magnanimously offers Nina the chance to "giver herself space and take time to redo her life and be happy away from him". He said "espacio" and "lejos" so many times, the awkwardness of it all was risible.
Loved Julia's purple bikini and Eladio's outfit in the beach scene, but Eladio's attempts to be cute were ridiculous! Eladio and cute don't go well. I prefer him when he's up to no good. Like his scenes with Callao and Aldo (Poor Aldo, did he make the trip all the way from Chiapas in that car trunk?), his feigned amiability to Simona, his princely act during the press conference (with Franco dutifully nodding along in the background)…
UA, I love your work. You set such a rich tone with your word crafting. You have the detailed style of a victorian novelist, like a modern day Wilkie Collins, you love words and like Collins, mystery, this it is apparent in your recaps. I miss your Pablo Montero avatar, you should repost it some day! Thanks for all your hard work on what was an abridged three capitulo episode. Vivi, thanks for your extra bullet points as well. Presently I'm watching on YouTube, I watched three episodes just for last night's programming. It is hard to carve out that much time.
Currently, I've dropped interest in the main four characters, they have so many problems with selfish, irresponsible and murky decision making, I can't see happiness for them no matter what the el fin configuration is! I was enjoying Regina and David, but I'm very sad about Regina's Nina like decision to attack David for the actions of his FATHER and prance off, then in her own sweet time and more information, call and apologize, not a good start to a relationship, and maybe even a fatal flaw. I noticed that she interfered when David tussled with David on the beach but just watched as her father did the same. Her wonderful novio should come first, not her dysfunctional family. Oh well......
-- Efraín being an utter and complete failure in his job as the watchful bodyguard/snitch yet he's there in the background during Julia and Eladio's conversation at the beach!
-- The police officers not finding it strange that someone who is obviously Eladio's enforcer, has a sinister look about him and is called El Callao (the quiet/the silent one) just happens to be present during Aldo's declaration, staring holes into the frightened man's back the whole time he was there.
-- When Julia sees Chimp Boy sleeping off his hangover on the lobby sofa and Arturo tells her: "I don't know what to do with him!". I say put a banana in his mouth and a sticker on his forehead and have him shipped to the zoo!
-- Regina telling David point-blank: Yeah your Dad was also a Rat-boinker! I didn’t tell you before because I didn’t want to hurt your feelings (but now I'm mad at you so I don’t give a rat’s patootie).
-- Suspects getting interrogated by the police while the paparazzi are present to shove their cameras and mikes in everybody's face. Qué tal with that?
-- Humberto crashing the dinner for two then finishing the evening in a romantic tête-à-tête with the bottle of red vino!
-- But the funniest scene for me was, hands down, Erick telling his cellmates that his shirt was worth more than their lives! Very smart Chimp Boy, very smart! That’s exactly how you survive in jail. I know you’re no mathematician but surely you can count to two: There’s two of them and one of you. Very smart to provoke them into beating you to a pulp! Then afterwards the ape genius asks to change cells so he can get a fresh beating elsewhere. I told ya, IQ of a banana tree!
Where are my manners? I forgot to thank the lovely Vivi for recapping the 3rd portion of this triple episode mashup. Thanks ever so much, querida Vivi! Much appreciated! :)
-- A triple dose of quotes from the triple capítulo --
“No lo justifico pero si él buscó a Montserrat, si buscó a otras mujeres es porque nunca le he correspondido, nunca he sido realmente su mujer. Eladio me ha hecho mucho daño pero no más al que yo le hago a él. Y verte a ti, estar así contigo me recuerda que nunca, nunca realmente lo he querido y me casé con él. Lo único noble que había en Eladio era que él me amaba de verdad y yo abusé de ese amor para vengarme de ti. Yo hice a Eladio como es.” *
*Julia’s excuse for her boinkus interruptus with Randy Boy Arturo is that she discovered a sudden sense of loyalty for her much-loathed husband: “I don’t justify him but if he (Eladio) sought Montserrat, if he sought other women it’s because I have never reciprocated his love, I have never really been his woman. Eladio has done me a lot of harm but it’s no more than the harm I do him. And seeing you (Arturo), being with you like this reminds me that I never, never really loved him and I married him. The only noble thing that was in Eladio was that he truly loved me and I took advantage of that love to get back at you. I made Eladio what he is.”
Corresponder = (love, feelings) to reciprocate, to return love.
Recordar = (in this context) to remind.
Abusar = (confidence, good faith, feelings) to take advantage of.
Vengarse = to take revenge, to get even.
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-- David: “Papá! Le dijiste a la policía que Erick pagó para involucrarte en la muerte de Montserrat? Es que entremás conozco tus alcances, más me decepciono de ti!” //// -- Eladio: “Yo no tengo la culpa de que el hijo de Arturo haya pagado para inventar cosas sobre tu madre, sobre mí! (...) Creo que aquí es muy evidente que Erick está buscando zafarse del problema y nos quiso embarrar a todos.” *
David confronting his Dad and making a scene in the lobby of the hotel of the hotel chain whose tender (“licitación”) he is trying to win:
--David: “Dad! You told the police that Erick paid (someone) to involve you in the death of Montserrat? It’s that the more I know what you’re capable of, the more disappointed I am in you!” //// -- Eladio: “It is not my fault that Arturo’s son paid (someone) to invent things about your mother, about me! (...) I think it’s very obvious that Erick is looking to escape from the problem and wanted to drag us all through the mud.”
Involucrar = to involve, to implicate.
Alcance = reach, abilities, powers.
Decepcionarse = to become disappointed with, to lose confidence in someone.
Zafarse = to extricate oneself, to escape from (a problem, an obligation or a promise).
Embarrar = literally means to splash or to cover with mud, in this context: to stain, to besmirch (someone’s reputation or good name).
(to be continued)
(cont.)
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“Él (Erick) tiene que afrontar sus decisiones. Y la que hizo mal en ocultarme lo que pasaba fuiste tú! Por qué? Por qué? Ya nos estabamos llevando bien, caramba! Pero (con) tus mentiras, tus ocultaciones y lucubraciones, echaste a perder lo que habíamos logrado, caray! Lo de nuestro matrimonio! (...) Ibamos por tan buen camino, Nina... Por qué si estabamos salvando nuestro matrimonio echaste a perder todo con lo de Erick? Por qué?”
Arturo using entirely too many Why’s and Caray’s to pile all the blame on Nina (yet again) for the failure of their marriage: “He (Erick) needs to face up to his decisions. And the one who was wrong in hiding what was going on from me was you! Why? Why? We were getting along so well, caramba! (nope, not translating “caramba” and wish I could use it everyday!) But with your lies, your hiding things and your fantasies you ruined everything we had achieved, caray! With regards to our marriage! (...) We were on the right track, Nina... Why did you ruin it all with this Erick business, when we were trying to save our marriage? Why?”
Afrontar = to confront, to face up to.
Ocultar = to hide.
Llevarse bien con alguien = to get along well with someone.
Lucubración = fantasy, invention.
Echar a perder = to ruin, to spoil, to mess up.
Lograr = to accomplish, to achieve.
Ir por buen camino = to be on the right track.
On the subject of fashion in this episode, did anyone else notice Consuelo's necklace and earrings set? The pendants looked like birdcages with one prisoner each.
Nandicta, good point about Aldo being in the car trunk all the way from Chiapas. I doubt it. I'm sure Callao put him in there for the last leg of the trip so he wouldn't be seen in a Gomez-Luna vehicle by anyone near the city just in case. He doesn't look like a man who takes chances although I'd regard it as a writing fail if the police don't make anything of his menacing presence at Aldo's statement. That should be a major red flag to them. I've seen TN cops who screw up but also plainclothes detectives who were both smart and honest. These detectives look smart but we'll just have to wait and see.
Meantime, where are the autopsy results?
I did re-watch #49 and while Erick admitted calling in the accusation against Eladio to the police, he initially lied about it to Augustin. He also lied to him about having brought Consuelo home. We don't know if he corrected that. I think they're going to hold him for 48 hours until they compare his statement to Consuelo's.
Sandy, sometimes the only thing to do with a dysfunctional family is to walk away from it for the sake of your own mental health, like Julia's sister did. It is not selfish or disloyal to do that. Narcissistic parents are poison to their children and they make poor marriage partners. They are incapable of deep connexion because they don't really let other people inside.
Nina's comment about money and power was disturbing and it's going to go somewhere.
On the 27th Fathom Events will have a one-night-only showing of art in the Uffizi Gallery in Florence. Here is the link with a close-up of his Venus. It's like SG came out of that era.
Nandicta, Arturo was right to be angry with Nina's action although he's not necessarily using it in the right argument. When you connect that with her comment about money and power and influence it was a statement that she considers herself and her (adopted) class to be above the law.
UA...I'm intrigued by your defense of Arturo as having changed. In this episode, he's as ready to be unfaithful to his current wife as he was to Julia, his betrothed, 25 years ago. So I don't see much change there. But you're a deeply thoughtful person, so I know you must have good reasons for championing Arturo. And clearly the writers want us to be on his side. But it's not working for me.
If his early infidelity was also a one-time thing (like when drunk) it would be very different from an affair of some standing, which it didn't sound like. My guess is that it happened when he was on a business trip that ran too long. We don't know what she looked like, but what if she resembled Julia in some way? We probably will never know that.
Julia's anger at this was likely amplified by knowing that there was no rescue from her father at that point. Not sure of the timing of the financial difficulties but she lost Arturo's White Knight rescue to another damsel in distress. That had to hurt more than it would have hurt anyone else. So, what happened? Arturo got punished by a loveless marriage that ended in widowhood that led to punishing guilt and depression and then losing Julia in the interim to an abuser. He married Nina because he was still young enough for good sex to alleviate depression and make him think it could lead to love only to discover it didn't. After being a physically faithful husband for 25 years. Did he spend most of the last 25 years imagining Julia in Nina's place? We don't know, but we just know he has tried that recently and can't make it work anymore.
Had he divorced Nina after ten years we wouldn't have a series.
Here are the actors' real ages and Sun signs:
Arturo ----> JS ----> 47 ----> Leo
Eladio ----> FC ----> 49 ----> Pisces (will be 50 soon)
Julia ----> SG ----> 41 ----> Libra
Nina ----> MF ----> 39 ----> Leo
Interesting combination. Water is trying to put out fire and drown out air at the same time.
I'm a little more willing than some of you to accept these people at face value. It makes watching a little less ... um ... dyspeptic.
Anyway, you did an amazing job. And thank you, Vivi, for summarizing events from episode 49. That's very helpful in keeping it all straight.
Thanks Vivi for the details from the third ep. Really tired of Uni editing TN eps. I really wish they'd stop.
Thanks Nandicta for the vocab lesson.
OT: my sister and brother-in-law took their first trip to Europe last summer. They visited London, Paris, Geneva, Monte Carlo, Rome, Venice and Florence. Their fav was Florence. They said it was beyond amazing.
Nanette
Well, it looks like Uni is trying to catch up to the Mexican broadcast of PyP,according to this short article: http://www.radioformula.com.mx/notas.asp?Idn=561598&idFC=2016. It also mentions that the US broadcasting rules (of TNs I'm assuming) have changed, that if a show doesn't gather up momentum in the ratings within 4 months, it gets off the air.
I didn't give this much credence when I read it yesterday, until I discovered from today's comments that you guys got a triple bill of PyP, squeezed into two hours. If Uni continues airing a 3-episode mashup until the end of next week, then by the time "El Hotel de Los Secretos" premieres on January 25, PyP would've reached Capítulo 74; that's a mere 7 episodes behind the Mexican broadcast. The question then becomes whether they'll air the full episodes from that date onwards or whether they will edit them brutally to wrap up PyP as quickly as possible.
I am only able to watch PyP online and the episodes I watch are the ones that aired in Mexico but I follow your US broadcast so we can watch this "together". With such heavy editing, I will have to be extra careful and ensure I'm commenting on what you guys are watching. Moreover, I'm really disappointed that a decent show with an excellent cast and brilliant acting is getting butchered when inane torturous drivel like "Corazón Indomable" gets excellent ratings both in Mexico and the US.
Granted, the writing on PyP could be better but it's fairly satisfactory and I'm truly entertained and captivated by every single character (OK maybe not by Justino and Luisita but their acting is Oscar-worthy compared to some TN nonsense I've witnessed before). I love that the characters are flawed and I love that I don't have the slightest clue where this show is going or how it might end. Ratings are never indicative of the quality of a show. I adored "Pasión" and from what I read in Caray Caray, you guys loved it and raved about it so much, yet it was a failure in Mexico. The ratings were low, the audience hated the FC-SG pairing, they found the story boring (go figure!) and they thought the villains were lame (Lafont maybe one of the greatest, scariest, most nuanced villains I have ever watched in my life, all genres included. He gradually took center-stage when he had started the story as one of the villain's minions). I haven't watched "Yo No Creo En Los Hombres" but I read so much praise here and elsewhere, still that show did not have good ratings when it aired in Mexico and Uni hesitated a long time before deciding to air it in the US.
Anyway, sorry for the long aside but I'm disappointed and I'm dreading that we might be deprived of a good story just because the masses like pantomime villains and dumb one-dimensional protagonists. :(
-- Susanlynn: **OT**
Looks like we've been to the same places! I did an extended tour of Tuscany 3 years ago. Went to Pisa, Lucca, Florence, Siena and Empoli. They're all gorgeous places and the most grandiose is Florence but my favorite was Siena. I didn't get a chance to go to the Accademia in Florence though because I was only there for 5 days and had to make choices. I preferred to spend a whole day at the Pitti Palace and Boboli Gardens (the weather was too lovely that day to be stuck in queues), where there was a bronze replica of David; so that was the compromise! During the same trip, I went to Cinque Terre (which is technically in Liguria)and hiked through the 5 villages, then by the time I got to the piazza of the final village, I bought a gelato and sat on the ground in the middle of the piazza for a good hour, waiting for the throbbing in my battered feet to stop! :)
-- Nanette: You're welcome, dear. My pleasure :)
Hope you get a chance to go on a similarly enviable European tour. I've never been to Monte Carlo, Geneva or Venice but I hear great things!
Vivi, thanks for the additions.
I feel sorry for Art. His family is a mess and he's 50 percent to blame. Erick is a spoiled man-child and Art should've realized that fact at least by the time said man-child started "working" for the family empire. Art made a mistake eons ago, but he doesn't seem a natural cheater like his son Erick so I'm thinking there were extenuating circumstances (but still no excuse) back then.
Ha-ha. Erick got a beatdown for bragging about his shirt. I liked that shirt, but I don't think the blood stains will be washing out.
David was wrong though to shove Erick when the family caught the runaway. I don't blame Regina for being ticked about that. Hombre, stay out of other family's business. That was a wrenching moment between father and boy and you should've walked away (like Julia did when Art was on the phone with Nina).
Franco is so pleased with himself. His enthusiasm is so cute. Too bad he's evil. How soon before his bubble bursts?
Julia looked fab in her bikini. You go girl! Even though Julia and Eladio seem to agree he raped her on the wedding night, there must be extenuating circumstances (BUT NO EXCUSE) to that too. Otherwise, I don't think she'd keep return to considering staying with him.
Now, on to last night's 2-hr long episode. UA-Sorry you and the other recappers have such long episodes to recap, but I personally love watching the long episodes. I remember Preciosa Perla--and when I started recapping it seriously, I was doing the 2-hour episodes daily. My writing hand seemed to have a permanent crimp in it. I held a pen in my dreams, but watching was effortless.
-- Susanlynn: **OT**
It was a shame but I'll get a chance to head that way again some time soon. I went back to Italy (Rome this time) a year and a half ago and I'm planning to go back to Tuscany in April - May of next year (revisit Florence and Siena and try San Gimignano, Volterra, Livorno and the island of Elba). Being so geographically close to Europe and having a large choice of low-cost carriers is a blessing because I can go anywhere in the Old Continent on a whim, I just gotta make up the time. For you guys in North America it is more costly and onerous to travel all the way to this side of the world, that's why you and the Antipodeans are the best and most meticulous travel planners there is! You know how to make the most of your European adventures! :)
first of all, in all seriousness, my heartfelt thanks for presenting us with such an entertaining and thorough depiction of last night's events. What a labor of love it was demonstrating your sincere desire to present us with the very best. You must be exhausted after providing this mammoth effort immediately after your beautifully rendered recap the gran final of YNCELH.
Vivi,
many thanks as well to you for your excellent part in bringing us last night's events. I've said this before, you're a peach.
UA,
"Finally, there is Arturo and I'm tired of the negative comments about him."
Not to worry, I've seen the light. Clearly Arturo is the victim here. He finds the love of his life and is all set to marry and then he has a little uncommitted sport-sex and the careless girl neglects contraception trapping him with an unintended off-spring and ensnaring him into an undesired marriage. She then has the temerity to die leaving behind the inconvenient unpleasant boy, Miguel. Poor baby, then the thankless impetuous Julia marries his rival out of spite leaving him to look for comfort in the evil conniving narcissistic Ernestina who promptly aggressively involves him in no doubt perverted kinky sex which saddles him with the obligation of three more greedy hungry mouths to feed. Worst of all she deviously dares to remain a compliant faithful adoring spouse for 25 or so years thus depriving him of his one true love. Who can now fault him for finally deciding to attempt to recover the happiness he deserves? And to gently spare her unnecessary grief of knowing about another woman, he points out to her her many shortcomings that have brought them to this point. Man, I love this guy.
Carlos
No one has mentioned it but I think that SG's portrayal of troubled, confused and anguished Julia was Oscar worthy last night.
Erick the angelic rat -- angelic in Nina's eyes and a rat in Consuelo's eyes -- wound up in jail last night and in no time was introduced to a good beat down. Good move chimp boy by telling your cell mates how high you are and how low they are. And Arturo was going to let you run the company when he retired. QUE?
All of the yelling in the resort and none of the guests complained?
No big deal but I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that big ugly square watch that Eladio wears.
I really missed Gisela's doo-rag last night. She looks like I don't know what when she wears it---but I love her in it. An old street urchin?
People are allowed to stare you down when you are giving a statement to the police in a possible murder case? Is this the way it's done in Mexico or is it just novela baloney?
Nandicta---I was thinking about one of your earlier statements about Marlene Favela's great beauty last night. Nina looked stunningly beautiful in that dark blue dress and wearing a toned down or a normal shade of lipstick. Now if she could
just get rid of that damn mole right below her lower lip.
Too bad Francisco didn't give piss-ant errand boy Franco more of a beat down last night. Young punk Franco in a high end suit is nothing but a Jr. Eladio in training.
must see tv
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-- Nanette: I hope you get to go on your dream trip soon and I'll be happy to provide tips and recommendations if I can. I lived in London for a year and a half and in Scotland for 3 years, so I'm volunteering my brain to be picked by you when the time comes. :)
-- Carlos: And THAT's why we need to lure you back into recapping again! You hit the nail on the head, with surgical precision and your unequaled flair for repartee. Bravissimo! Well done, Doc! :D
-- Gringo: SG was fantastic in that scene and so was JS. Great acting by both. As for Nina, she did look beautiful with that coral(?) shade of lipstick, but please refrain from dissing the mole. I have a similar one in the same spot (maybe a couple of millimeters higher) and your comment hurt my mole's feelings! :p
I figured out when I was on the subway that the 3-episodes into 2 doesn't lose that much when you calculate this:
43:20 average full episode run time
2:45 average runtime for the opening and closing music.
2:30 average runtime of refritos (this series so far)
Subtract 10:30 from the total of 130 minutes for 3 episodes, then edit out 25 minutes from the total for the average number of non-program minutes per hour and we're losing about 8:20 from each episode (on average). Not as bad as MIVAC, but annoying to the recap team. When I think of the 1.5 episodes per night we got for more than the first half of QBA I cringe only because while they didn't edit out very much (only the equivalent of one episode for the whole series) one of the scenes contained a key piece of information. Since then that is always my fear when Univision does this.
-- UA: It's not only the risk that they might inadvertently cut out a crucial piece of information that's daunting but also the fact that they cram so many key scenes together, making it virtually impossible for recappers to gloss over anything. They compel you to go into detail for an increased number of scenes so it feels like you're recapping 4 episodes' worth of events in one go. Best of luck to all our PyP recappers!
-- Susanlynn: **OT** That's artsy and humorous! I'll be sure to look it up and buy one for myself next time I go to Florence. Cheers for the idea :)
What I'm learning from this series is that the chopped-up scenes that we normally get now are often done that way specifically to point to similar or contrasting character traits. That was most obvious with Eladio / Franco last night, especially when they also put Franco in a scene with the nice but non-alpha Francisco.
Susanlynn: My sister said that people in London were ruder than those in Paris--and we know how much the French hate us! ;)
-- Susanlynn and Nanette: **OT** I prefer, enjoy and feel safer in London compared to Paris, even though I visited the latter at least 30 times in the past 16 years. I think everyone's experience of traveling and/or living abroad depends on their cultural familiarity with and degree of personal adjustment to a new place. I've only seen NYC (and other North American metropolises) on TV and as fascinating and beautiful as it looks, I've always found it a tad intimidating. I think it must be the buildings and the sheer volume of people that are zooming past each other in the streets.
I remember the first time my Dad phoned us during his first trip to the US about 4 years ago (He went to NYC, Washington DC and Virginia), he was excited and awestruck: "It's huge! The buildings, the roads, the airports, the cars, the shops... everything is huge and everything moves so fast!" He was impressed and intimidated at the same time! In our country and in neighboring Europe, everything is scaled back and more laid back, I guess because the infrastructure and the amenities don't have to cater to populations as big as the ones in the US and North America.
Though I prefer smaller cities, I personally liked living in London. Always felt safe and at ease, even after moving from a leafy, affluent neighborhood in Central London to one of North London's roughest neighborhoods, I still felt safe. It was a bit of a cultural shock at first, my new neighborhood was dirtier, more dilapidated, dodgier and seemed down right scary when I was moving my stuff at night but with a few adjustments, I felt right at home and even enjoyed the perks: there is more of a community feel, the local shop owners are friendlier and everything is cheaper in a "rough" neighborhood. Besides, the furrowed brows and quizzical looks I got when I mentioned the location of my new dwellings were always a hoot: "You moved where?" :D
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