Monday, February 27, 2017

Vino el Amor, Lunes 2/27/17 Chapter 83: The Showdown


Some scenes combined for clarity:

Luciana encouraged David to keep talking to his children. She noticed that he had taken off his wedding ring. They kissed and all looked optimistic.


Marta saw Lillian leaving a message for Brian and teased her about him ignoring her. She started fighting back when Sonia came out with the house phone, saying it was him. He broke a date with her again. She tried to cover this up in front of Marta, who went back to giving Lillian a taste of her own poison. Sonia discreetly said nothing and took the phone back inside.

David had a conversation with César about how to handle the kids. César reminded him that this wasn't like it was when they were children. Their parents could raise their voices in ways that David now doesn't do and doesn't want to do. He wasn't going to bring up the subject of Luciana just yet. It was still in Wait and See mode. They changed the subject to the accusation against Miguel. César had a patient who had been locked up with other immigrants and Susan wanted to talk to him. David was hoping this would help. César once again brought up the subject of Juan and that he and Susan don't trust him one little bit. He had no real proof, but he wasn't the only person who got more than a bad vibe around this guy.

Bobby went over to the employees' housing on his way home from school to talk to Luciana. He said his father was angry with him because he objected to getting a stepmother. Luciana told him he didn't have to worry about that. “Your father would never have a girlfriend who wouldn't also be your friend,” she said. This seemed to reach The Real Bobby, who then started repeating Fernanda's quoting their succubus of an aunt.
So it's your aunt who is telling you all these things?”
Bobby nodded and Luciana realized the game had gone to another level.

Gracie told Lillian about the olive grove debacle. Lillian was displeased, as Gracie knew she would be. However, Lillian was even more disappointed that Gracie wasn't really fighting the situation. She demanded to know why, certain that Gracie was hiding something [Something we'd all pay money to witness the fallout of]. Lillian took out her cell.

Bobby told Luciana that he thought his aunt was afraid because a stepmother would also alienate her. [We're hoping Luciana will do just that with no effort other than her very presence]. Luciana started explaining that some changes are good. She's hearing that Bobby is afraid of getting a wicked stepmother. He said he was very confused. Bobby thought that his father was sad and he didn't know what to do. Luciana said that their father would never intentionally hurt him or his sister.
As for the Wicked Stepmother, forget it. Not going to happen.”
But if it does, will you defend me?”
I'll always be on your side and the love your father has for you can't be taken away. So don't worry.”
And if that happens, you'll defend me?”
Of course!” She smiled and hugged Bobby.

Lillian had Juan on the phone. He was still celebrating with Mark. As soon as Lillian mentioned Gracie's name, Juan cut her off at the knees, saying he didn't want any more of her gossip and wasn't interested in anything she had to say. He ended the call.
Gracie told her he was their enemy. Lillian blamed her for that. “You don't knew how to manage such things. Now we're without lands, without a deal, with nothing! If I had been in charge of this that idiot Juan wouldn't have won anything.”
Gracie, however, didn't flinch this time. She told her this wasn't a loss because David didn't care if he didn't get the land without her money. This would simply delay David's realization of her value to the launch of the Grand Reserve wine. He planned to pay her back her investment. She intended to make more of this. Lillian was not convinced. She pointed out that when Lisa was alive she didn't have to stoop so low as to making alliances with lowly employees as she now did.
Because my sister was useless,” said Gracie.
Don't you dare talk that way about Lisa! Your sister worked at David's side for the vineyard and you? Do much art for so little proves that you are no –”
You always prefer the one who does things with the least amount of effort. It's not fair, Mother. All my life I've been trying to prove that am better than her!”
Shut up and don't change the subject.”
Nothing is ever enough for you, Mother, is it? What do you want, part of my money so you can keep bothering me one more time?”
Well, that's not a bad idea, Grace.” [That's what is known as a “Gotcha!”]
They continued arguing until they heard David's voice asking what was wrong.
Oh, nothing. I was just explaining to my mother that I was worried about this business with the olives.”
Why? Because you don't have anything to do with that business.”
You're mistaken. I was looking to buy the property to give it to you and the children.”
You were one of the buyers. For that I lost those lands.” David was holding back his anger to the best of his ability.

Juan told the misogynistic skidmark that was his partner that he was tire of dealing with Lillian and Gracie. “Well, that's what you get for doing business with women. You haven't realized that girls are just for fun and housework.” [Jackass, only boys younger than Bobby really believe that.] Finally he rose from the table in search of a mannequin and reminded Juan that both of them had to be present for the contract signing. Juan said that Mr Kent would let them know the date for that. “You better,” were Mark's parting words.
Perla arrived and Juan asked her to celebrate with him. She was thrilled to pieces thinking that now she and Juan would live like royalty on their new lands. She couldn't wait to not have to deal with the immigrants. Juan tried to tell her “Not so fast; I can't get out of the other business that quickly.”

Susan and César were in town talking about the immigrants when she spotted Mark talking on his cell phone. She hid behind César, trembling like a rabbit in the company of a rabid wolf. She had not known that Mark was freed from jail. César looked behind him and tried to get Susan to calm down. There was a young couple standing behind César, which helped a little. Mark finally turned with his back toward them as he ended his call and walked away from the square. After a few minutes, Susan and César went to the lawyer's office.

Gracie tried to convince David that she had no ill intentions about buying the olive grove. It was “for the children, for our family” and Lillian tried to back her up. David told her flatly to stay out of this. He then told Gracie that because of this he lost the lands. He went into the house. Lillian rubbed it in and left her alone on the porch. “This will not stay as is,” she said. There was madness in her soulless pale eyes.

A few drinks later Juan boasted of eventually ruining David so he could buy up his land dirt cheap. Perla was getting a bad feeling about this.

Fernanda visited Tano at the distillery, which made him nervous they would be discovered. He reminded her of her studies, which she should have been more concerned about. Eventually they kissed, oblivious to the arrival of David, whose back was turned to them. Gracie entered and saw this, then called out loudly to David, giving Fernanda and Tano a chance to escape.
Gracie approached David with the same old line about wanting to do good for the faaaaaaaaaaamily but he wasn't buying it. He said it was None Of Her Business and didn't want to talk about it anymore and left. Fernanda looked down from the upper level and signaled a thanks to Gracie.

Erika showed Miguel some drawings of the proposed new wine labels, posters, etc. He liked the ideas and Erika said she hoped her father would sign off on them. They talked about the new wine being as high quality as any from France or Spain, even going there. Flirtation.

Gracie followed David out of the distillery. He did not want to continue this conversation. She tried steering him into one about the children's objections to his dating. I will spare you the details on this except for his Mind-Your-Own-Business attitude that made her eventually say that she was hoping that someday he would see that she was the right woman. He should have continued in the same vein, but since he didn't she got her jollies by fondling his shoulder and kissing him. [He needs a restraining order.]

Luciana and Leon talked about the situation. Both of them are facing obstacles and they need to be strong enough to overcome those. “But what if I'm not?” Luciana wondered. Leon said that if that is the case, this love wasn't for her. Leon said that if David loved her as much she had nothing to worry about, their mother's attitude notwithstanding. He wasn't so sure about The Witch and the succubus and what they would be up to.

Adolfo complimented Lillian on her look of the day [It is her best one to date] and they went off to the event together. Marta saw this, but was not seen by Lillian. It was not likely that Adolfo noticed.

Fernanda stopped studying to Skype with her friends to whine about having to study all day. She told them about her aunt helping to distract her father. They thought Gracie was super cool to help her with her budding romance with Tano. This was why Fernanda didn't want a stepmother who would not do such things for her.

Lillian and Adolfo sat down in a café and Brian walked in. When he greeted Lillian she excused herself for a moment and told Brian he had no right to be jealous. She had the right to do as she pleased if he stood her up and besides, Adolfo was a friend. She lied to Adolfo when she returned to the table.

Juan packed the contents of his office. Perla was surprised, but he didn't go into detail. She left him to finish and David entered. Juan gave the nastiest resignation we wouldn't have expected if he were more intelligent, saying he was tired of David's orders and his abuse of their friendship [narcissistic projection, por supuesto]. Then he told David to go to hell and announced that he owned the olive grove and he was avenging his father. He was going to prove “that I am much better than you and I will not rest until you are completely in ruin.”
David reminded him that he had betrayed him and Juan went on like a madman spewing venom of envy that went back to their childhoods and more recent bitterness about David's trust in Miguel and Susan. He accused David of selfishness and everything else under the sun and blamed him for everything that went wrong with his father and his lives. He laughed like Batman's Joker and told David again to go to hell. When David called him a hypocrite Juan laughed at how he had fooled him all those years. “All that time you let me I was planning this. I don't give a damn about your vineyards. “
David told him he was to take his things and leave. He should have stayed in the office until Juan had done so, but he walked out. Juan followed him ranting “Your vineyard and your damned employees don't matter! These lands will be mine and I will be happy when you commit suicide!”
Get out of here. Get out of my vineyard or face legal action.”
You won't get it until I leave you in ruin as you ruined my father! But don't worry. Your children will work on my land.”
David grabbed him by the lapels. “Don't you dare talk about my children!”
You took Lisa's love from me!”
Damned wretch!”
David decked him, but Juan continued his maniacal laugh.

Brian was in his office reviewing files when two of his men came in. He briefed them on the resurgence of human trafficking in the area and that the latest groups of immigrants were being smuggled in on produce trucks and held in a different location. The traffickers had to be found soon because the people want results.

Perla packed her own clothes with a little help from Carito, who couldn't believe she was leaving. Nor could she believe the accusations Perla made against David for not “respecting his [Juan's] authority.” Carito didn't want her to leave. Perla said they would stay in touch.
A little later Perla hauled her suitcase down the stairs and at Marta's enquiry she said she was finally leaving. “Juan no longer works here and I'm leaving with him.”
Did you think this over?”
Of course. At last I'm going to leave this place full of so many people who don't know how to respect others.” A few more insulting remarks later she walked out.

Lillian went home only to face a few barbs from Gracie, who also told her that Gutiérrez was only a cop who couldn't give her what Adolfo could. Lillian knew exactly what Gracie meant but there was another side to it. She changed the subject and asked whether Gracie had smoothed things over with David. Of course she had not. Lillian reminded her that she needed to handle the situation with love. [More hypocrisy, but then what else can we expect from either of them?]

The fight continued and drew Ramón's attention. He and Tano tried breaking up the fight and almost succeeded. Susan ran over and Juan boasted that Mark was free thanks to himself. “I know how you miss him in your bed,” he had the gall to say to Susan. David then ordered him to leave [which we all know he should have done ages ago].

Luciana entered the distillery, having heard the noise. David told her that Juan had bought the grove. Luciana shouted that she always knew he was a traitor and not much of a man. Susan tried to stop her but Luciana did not let up. She got in his bleeding face and shouted that he always abused the workers, cared nothing for their security.
Because all these people are low-class,” he said.!” she answered. “And finally David knows what lowly garbage you really are!”
Never did I want you to stay here. That's why I deported you and your father. I did nothing to help you.”
Luciana slapped him, but he continued laughing. David restrained Luciana and stepped in front of her.
And you're a liar besides. Get out of here!” By then David was shouting at the top of his lungs.
I'm going but this isn't the end. It's war!”
As he walked out, David told Ramón and Tano to throw Juan's things after him.

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Comments:
Jaun's an ass. He probably had fun
With those slaps, like those people
On the movie "airplane" the passager
S were lined up to slap this frightened young woman who thought the plain would crash. He looked like that laugh was genuine, with the bloody ruby red lips.
I'll comment some more later. This
Is a good recap Urban, Thank you.
 

Jackass? My Urban, I'm impressed with your mastery of understatement. Great recap of a pretty darn good episode. (there actually was no danger of dozing off in this one)

Thanks

When NoJuan was ranting in (formerly known as) his office and accused David of stealing LISA, David should have murdered him on the spot. It is fun watching NoJuan and SomeJuan coming unhinged. When DisGrace followed David and continued with her Bull about the family, then that she still Luuuuurrrves him, sealed it with a kiss, I thought she was an Indian for a moment. Like the SlapaHoe tribe.

Perla is flippin delusional. She is not even worth keeping alive.

It is nice to see a flicker in Dim Bulb's head.

Put your shirt back on Sue, that was fake blood. :-)
 

thank you, Urban, for that excellent review of all the action.

Well, that was a new revelation about Dave taking Lisa from Juan. Evidently Juan wanted everything that Dave had just as Disgrace wanted everything her sister had. I am just surprised that Juan and Disgrace weren't lovers united to break up Dave and Lisa.

I'll say two things about Juan..He is a good kisser, and the guy can take a punch.

New rules....raise your glass of a favorite beverage every time Cesar tells Soosan "tranquilio."

Still confused about GUt. is he REALLY jealous?

Gotta run. Later, gators.
 

There was a line in an early episode regarding Juan having coveted Lisa back in the day, though I don't think it was in the same episode as when we found out that David had dated DisGrace before meeting Lisa when Cupid was in the neighborhood.

I don't think Brian is really jealous, but he is feeling betrayed. Who can blame him? He got involved with Marta and Lillian turned on him, almost wrecking his chances to win the election. Now she insists he be hers and she is seen in public with another man, one who clearly expects more from her. Furthermore, he's a man of means. I'm also sure Brian knows that Lillian's first love is money.
 

Disgrace cannot even win Dave or her mother's approval now that Lisa is dead. Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. Mom (and Dave) always loved you best. Still losing.
 

WooooHoooo, that's what I'm talking about. Awesome UA I really needed to relive last night and you did it justice.

"misogynistic skidmar"

"He laughed like Batman's Joker"

How in the world do they top that? Too often a confession falls flat but Juan dribbled it out with perfectly placed punches on the appropriate jaw for maximum effect. Oh oh, Susan got in the best roundhouse slap.

See Erika is smarter than Luciana. If she wants to San Francisco take him to Spain.

I don't want Tano in trouble but I want Fernanda to be caught. Little heffa.

David cannot complain about the ammonia smell when Graciela keeps peeing on the same rug and he won't put her out.

 

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Sheezo Tofie: You are hilarious sometimes.

Enough spraying, kick that pussy c a t to the curb.................

Ya know, if DisGrace's yolks were not so scrambled she could take her looks and polish and rudimentary talent somewhere else and do quite well. She is not unattractive, and could have a life if there were something other than rat shit and snake venom between her ears. Oh well, earthworm food she will be.
 

DisGracie doesn't have to marry money when she can make her own. The whole thing about bagging Dave is the one-upwomanship she has played with Lisa ever since they were teens or younger. Sadly, too many women even today believe that they are nothing without a man and in her case she is all about stealing whatever had belonged to her sister, who had their mother's approval, just to prove she is better.

She's a prime candidate for a Karmageddon that starts with losing her beauty.
 

UA: Graciela & Lillian cooking sinister plot to expose David & Luciana's relationship to the kids in which FerBrat will go BEASTMODE on Luciana!


 

Thanks, Urban. Wow, this was eventful. Yes, Juan laughed like the Joker. He even looked a little like the joker.

Juan was absolutely crazed. Funny of him to complain that David trusted Miguel and Susan more, considering that Juan had just proven himself untrustworthy.

Perla's remarks to Marta, though milder, were no less insane. She's digging her own grave and Carito knows it. I'm beginning to wonder if Perla will be an early casualty, not even surviving to ultimas semanas.
 

OK So now we know NoJuan really is cray cray. A guy who he should know can deliver a punch no sane man would sign up for, and NoJuan is there quacking away at him with those big Duck Lips. POW ! BOING ! WHACK.!

Hold up there Batman, he is still laughing. I wanted David to give him a good old fashioned cowboy boot kick while NoJuan was on the floor, but David is STILL sickeningly nice.

They have gone out of their way to show Lillian possibly more evil than DisGrace. DisGrace actually has a purpose, Lillian just wants to inflict damage on all humans. (And my bet is she hates dogs too) They have not hidden her love affair with free wine either. Who wants to bet she will do something completely crazy in an inebriate stupor? Let's hope.

Tofie: that, I think, was little fiesty Luci who got in a little bitch slap on NoJuan, kinda after the fact, when he bragged about her deportation.

Now will David go back to his vest room and sit and think a bit about some of the other things in his life which have not made sense? A LOT of things? Wine, Fine, Land, to name a few.

They haven't beat anybody up, but SiezeHer and Bobby are my picks.

D a m n Fer is 18 and horny! After he peeled her off himself and sent her to study the "Hmmm...Wha hoppen?" look Tano had was funny. He just needs to go ahead and get it over with. She is a pretty convincing kisser for a kid.
 

Thanks, Urban. Fabulous recap. And the photo of David in all his rage, perfect.

He laughed like Batman's Joker Yes, Juan was certainly on fire. He revealed all his sins, except the human trafficking and prescription drugs. I loved it when he hung up on Lil. And he's goaded Miguel and now David into taking the first punch and seems no worse for wear. If he ditches skidmark and stops blabbing so much, he could become a grade A villain.

About Juan forming an evil couple with Graciela, in the past he did try to hit on her (and Susan and Luciana too), but she rebuffed him (like Susan and Luciana). He's totally willing to cheat on Perla, so I wouldn't be surprised if Graciela, now that David is awake, starts slithering his way.

Gut must love Lil's abuse and ethnic slurs. Otherwise he'd be ecstatic she's moved on with poor Alfredo.

Now will David go back to his vest room and sit and think a bit about some of the other things in his life which have not made sense? Kirby, I would love for David to find out that $10,000 fine was fake and went toward Mark’s bail.

 

I believe if David had followed through as I suggested with some groin kicks NoJuan would have confessed to that too. He did mention that it was him who got Skids out of the pokey.
 

Juan is still an idiot for having anything to do with the SkidMark. He will live to regret that alliance if only because Mark will betray him sooner or later by stealing from him. Just as Juan stole from David.

He may still have ideas about framing David for the human trafficking.

I had some playback issues with the picture during the argument and fight in the distillery. How many other witnesses were there who didn't have lines? This could be important later.
 

Juan looked demented as he was revealing to Dave how he had been hating and working against Dave all these years. Anyone who has been lied to and betrayed by a friend or relative can relate to how confused and hurt Dave was. Dave had the saddest look on his face even as Juan kept taunting him and Dave was using his boxing skills on him.

Well, Disgrace is getting all handsy and kissy with Dave. What part of NO does this chick not get? That touching definitely is sending a message, and we viewers often see galans just letting it keep going on. in think that Disgrace is starting to realize after her fight with MOmmy DEarest that she is going to have to get a lot more aggressive in her strategy to harpoon Moby Dave.

Fer and TAno..Hmmm...Tanando?...This seems to be a first crush for FEr , but TAno has had some experience (cough) with the whole Soosan love affair\debacle. TAno is pretty adorable, so I can understand Fer's attraction. At this rate, those SAT scores of probably going to drop instead of rise. However, let's all pause for a moment and remember being in love for the very first time. Okay, that's long enough. I have to get to work .
 

I also heard Juan mention the pesticide debacle but not contaminating the wine to David but he did tell Perla.

Susan smacked Juan when he said “I know how you miss him in your bed” and I thought a better slap than what Luciana delivered.

When Luciana jumped in I thought she would start up on Juan about Miguel. Shocked she didn't.

Not surprised Luciana is seriously contemplating the end when it's just begun despite Leon's encouragement not to bail on David. Is she truly committed to anything more than keeping Graciela away from David and Miguel out of jail? Well, maybe Bobby from a wicked stepmother.

 

All I can say as I watched these two civilized land-owners go at each other than it was a matter of preference--thin lips vs. full lips.

Thanks, Urban. Will add more later. The episode dragged a little, but the confrontation was worth the wait--and so was the recap.
 

The ongoing discussions between Lilian and Graciela were actually kind of interesting (if a bit one-note, since they looped back at least once to Graciela being the "bad" daughter versus St. Lisa of Sonoma), but the minute Juan started raving at David that was it. Christian de la Campa finally had his big villano moment, complete with slowly-unraveling helmet hair and maniacal laughter, and it was hilariously awesome (perhaps even more so in that Juan got punched and punched and slapped and slapped and he just kept going with "the nastiest resignation we wouldn't have expected if he were more intelligent," good shot there, UA). Perla's comparatively understated "Peace out, uncouth bitches!" exit from the Servants' Luxury Townhouse was a footnote by comparison.
 

Thank You Tofie, I do remember the SooSlap now. After what David administered, that was a mosquito bite. Dave is cool, didn't even mess up his hair, and not a scratch.

So if we can use the playoffs logic:
NoJuan mopped the floor with Smuguel
And David laid down a coat of wax with NoJuan.

The next time Smuguel wants to puff up on David's property and lurch
maybe someone should show him a little phone video.

Erika Nightingale will need more than a BandAid and some peroxide to restore his "beauty"

It always pisses you off when for once you are winning and your own people pull you off.

If Nanciyaga was Tanolito's teacher, FerBrat better fasten her seat belt.
 

Julie: I've been saying this from the get-go on this Bold Prediction: Perla will NOT be among the living because of the crap she's been pulling.

I do NOT feel sorry for that uppity twit!

Karma getting ready to clear her throat!
 

I'm waiting for David's epiphany now that he has seen how wrong he can be about NoJuan.
 

Thing is, even if Miguel attacks David and in defense David beats him down, Luciana will be angry with David for hurting her boo.
 

Yeah, if you do the math....Juan knocked Miguel down and gave him a bloody nose; Dave knocked Juan knocked Juan down and gave him back bloody nose..Therefore , Dave would most probably win. Match with Miguel.

When I watched Dave going after Juan,I was reminded that you should be very cautious of a good guy who has been pushed too far. the results as he slowly turns is often frightening.

Regarding the punches the guys are throwing and the slaps that the women are handing out (heh), I once asked my class if they had ever punched someone. All the guys had but none of the women. Women evidently prefer open handed slaps to using closed fists. So..Have YOU ever punched or slapped anyone?
 

Urban, you are a master story teller.

One of the best episodes to date and your recap was in another stratosphere.

"Marta, who went back to giving Lillian a taste of her own poison" and "Luciana realized the game had gone to another level" were wonderful. "Adolfo complimented Lillian on her look of the day [It is her best one to date]". Totally agree. She looked very nice. Someone who doesn't dislike her must have been in charge of the wardrobe selections that day.

Am home sick so just wanted to thank you for an excellent recap.

War indeed.

Diana
 

Diana...sorry you are sick. Hope that you are on the mend .
 

WOW!!! Oh, first, thank you, Urban! Haven't read it yet or the comments, I know both are great. I just had to react first!

WOW What a showdown! Juan was crazy on fire! Of course he wasn't crazy enough to say that he poisoned the wine but now Carito knows it! When she sees the uproar left in Juan's wake, will she tell it?

Perla's going down in flames with Juan! I wonder if the 60 episodes will contain a story line of Juan as Evil Olive Oil Guy, snooty Perla and their dirty dealing with undocumented workers, dirty skidMark trying to stick it to Dave. In other words, the war that Juan declared! If they do that, they wouldn't have to force the action to be carried by the tiring Miguel/Luciana/David/Erica quadrangle. They should sooo pursue this war!

Dang! Ok, now to the recap and comments!
 

Thanks for your kind words Susanlynn...

Diana
 

Ok. Done! Yep, I went back to make sure that Perla told Carito about the poison wine. It was at about 7 minutes before the end of the show. Carito was helping Perla pack. Now, I didn't actually hear her say it but am more assuming this is what they were talking about:

Carito: I can't believe he dared to do that to El Patron.
Perla: Well, he deserved it.
Carito: Oh, Perla, don't say that
Perla: Well, it's the truth. . .And then Perla went on to mouth Juan's lines about David never respecting his authority, blah, blah, blah

So. I think Perla DID tell Carito about poisoning the wine and that she will tell it. This will get an investigation from the police that could lead them (inadvertently?) to discovering the drug and undocumented worker scheme. I also believe Perla will tell because they went through so much trouble to have Juan refresh her memory about the invoice she found so long ago and Perla even being upset about it. But, it was clear in the conversation with Carito that Juan was able to change her shock and displeasure to glee. Juan's a liar and a hypocrite. She'll realize that when he throws her ass under the bus when her phone is found to have all kinds of calls related to human trafficking.

So. They could fill 60 episodes with the Juan-declared WAR and all of his other shenanigans outlined in my comment above. DisGracie can just spiral into madness. I think she's already there and David is beginning to realize it. There's no way he's going to end up in her arms like I feared. They've got enough they can do without a drugged galan scenario!

No show tonight, I guess due to Presidential address to Congress.
 

Well Susanlynn, I hate to be typical, but I've slapped in self-defense and never punched. (The slappee whined, "but I wear contacts!" and I said "You should have thought of that before you licked my face!")

I did once grapple with a mailman who was chasing my dog with a knife. Grappling is sometimes better than hitting.
 

Lila, my program guide says no show tonight, but I thought they said at the end of yesterday's show that it would be on AFTER the presidential address. Did I imagine that?
 

Julie: the promos yesterday said no VEA until Wednesday. Since President Trump's address will almost certainly run over an hour, it probably screws up ECDLP as well.
 

Julie...oh...a third category..grappling. Yikes , the mailman was after your dog with a knife ! You should have punched him...the postal worker, not the dog! I don't think that I have grappled with anyone ..except hubba...and my problems. My mother used to call it "wrestling." I can't remember punching anyone, but I vividly remember slapping someone.
 

Thanks, Julie and Bill. Well, I'm sure we can find enough to talk about!
 

Man, folk don't play that around here. If you slap OR punch somebody, you'd better have a fast car and get the hell up outta there or you're gonna be strummin' a harp or shoveling hot coals, depending. . .
 

Bill C. OT.. I watched a few minutes of The Bold and the Beautiful , and Ridge's daughter announced that she was marrying a guy who is evidently his rival's son. Ridge is evidently dating the rival's ex, and his daughter wants them to have a double wedding in Australia. . Ridge did not seem down with that , and he and a dark haired blue eyed girl evidently kissed and she was giving him the stink eye. Is Ridge a good guy or is the rival a good guy?
 

OK, thanks Bill!

Yeah, it was wrestling, basically. He was focused on the dog, so I easily put him in a half-nelson (the only wrestling term I know) and made him drop the knife. Then the boyfriend held the dog. The mailman took off after that.

It had started out with my dog getting away from me and chasing him, so I felt a little guilty about the whole thing. But I couldn't have someone running around on my lawn with a knife! If I had done nothing, there would have been biting and/or stabbing and it would have gone very, very badly.
 

Kirby- "slapahoe trib" Lol, that's a good one.
What I want to see is David getting pissed like that at craziella and her twisted ma'hoe. They're walkin around like they own his house(lil). This man is just too nice to these 2 heffas. Is
Gut finally seeing the light? Or is he just to busy lookin for crooks like markoff and Juan the wimp? I think he's better off workin than hangin
Around with lil. And I hope aldofo see
Lillian as the bottom feedin tramp it
Is, and don't get tied down with her.
Of course I wouldn't worry about that because Erica would open up a can of whoop-ass on that old ass woman.

Somebody please get Marta some new clothes & shoes. I don't think the wardrobe people are listening. I'll take a chance and say this, hope I won't get thrown off the patio, that they'll probably put gut-man and marta
Back together.I would truly be shocked
If they did that, but not to much.
Stranger things have happened.fersure.

Perla is gonna eat those words. She's
One of the main ones running around there actin disrespectfull and giving Clarita All that bad advice about how
To get the mig away from Lucy. If she
Don't end up dead, she'll get somethin
Close to it, messin around with wrong wayjuan and markoff.
Every time I try to write Perla that autocorrect changes it to pedal. So if it looks like pedal after I push the publish button yall will no I meant Perla.

Lila- Man, don't play that around here if you slap or punch somebody, you better have a fast car and get the hell up out of there, or you're going to be strumming a Harp or shoveling hot coals depending...... lol, I hear
Girl.
Thank you Urban, for this actionpacked
Episode.
 

Nobody ever dare mess with my furbabies. That's when my true demon face shows and heaven can't help.

There is no VEA tonight, but ECDLP is listed. Presidential addresses haven't been endless since LBJ (who was a total bore) but who knows...

I hope you reported the incident.
 

Susanlynn: [OT]

...oh, boy.

Ridge Forrester is nominally...um...well...he's sort of...okay, he's definitely less of a bad guy than Bill Spencer, the aforementioned rival. Whether you consider him a good guy may well depend on your history with him and The Bold and the Beautiful, so to speak; he's basically a corrupted galan turned to 11. (Bill got turned up to 15.) The dark-haired lady is Ridge's dad's current wife, Quinn, who's been kinda fiending for him while he's been trying to get back with The Ex (Brooke, the leggy blonde, and the caps are intentional) but flirting with/drifting towards her. And, yes, Ridge's daughter Steffy is marrying Bill's older son (and her personal The Ex) Liam.

See where curiosity gets you? :)
 

OT...Thanks, Bill C. I like the actor playing Ridge, so I was hoping that he was 99% good guy, but I can live with him being a kind of good guy. His daughter was really pushing a double wedding in Australia, but every time she mentioned it, he looked at Quinn (his stepmother???) And then they showed the flashback kiss. I think that the last time I surfed into the show, he was kissing a much younger blonde girl..or did I dream that?
 

Lila--Without going back to rewatch, I thought Perla was telling Carito about the land purchase which Juan bought out under David's nose. Carito's response would have fit that scenario, too.

Well, since there's no VEA tonight, I might go back and rewatch the whole darn thing.
 

Ahhh, good point, Anita! Good point, thanks! I so want Juan to sink, and soon! Well. If we're waiting on Perla to have an attack of conscience, the poison wine thing coming to light could be a long time coming. :/
 

Now that Juan has removed his bff mask and shown Dave who he really is , he has become vulnerable and stepped onto a slippery slope while holding hands with Marked. Vulnerability and stupidity is never a good mix.

OT...Lila , I hope that you have fastened your seatbelt as you continue reading Dragonfly. Lots of interesting surprises.
 

Noooo Perla told Carita that Juan poisoned the wine flat out. That is why Carita looked sick when she told Hurla that was just so wrong.
 

Somehow I completely missed Perla revealing that to Carito, but since it loops back to her blind devotion to Juan and his punchable face...yeah, figures. Perla's Karmageddon is presumably warming up at this point.

Susanlynn: the younger blonde girl with Ridge previously is Bill's niece Caroline. They were married for a while before Caroline had Ridge's son Thomas's baby (long story, but it goes back to an encounter that the show power-walked back like frigging crazy), then they got divorced, and then Caroline apparently bailed for NYC for a while with her kid.
 

Well, I rewound and watched that portion again and I can't get anymore than the brief dialogue in my comment above. My first impression, as I stated there, is that Perla had told Carito about the poison. Would check hulu+, but it's down. Anywho. I hope I'm right.
 

OT..Bill C. Thanks for filling me in. If Ridge is going to be featured, I might try to watch when I can. I see what you mean about it being complicated. I used to watch when"Days of Our Lives" , but I gave up soap operas when I started watching Telenovelas.
 

I wouldn't have minded watching this episode a second time if I'd had time, but I didn't have time. Unfortunately, I wasn't paying much attention during the Perla and Carito scene. It would be colossally stupid for Perla to tell Carito about Juan souring the wine... but then, Perla is colossally stupid. (And her nasty little speech to Marta, what was that? When has anyone in that house ever disrespected her? Hmm, projection much??)
 

Talk about crimes of fashion, I am no GQ, but Giselle was wearing the curtains out of someone's Double-wide last night on Little Giants.

Or maybe some cheap Sears slipcovers.
 

Very late to the party. I'm traveling but continuing to enjoy all the recaps. I wanted to weigh in on the punch/slap question. I have never slapped anyone in my life, but I have punched someone. A boy who in 10th grade called me the 'b' word, and was mighty surprised when I immediately punched him in the gut (hey, I'm short). Yeah, he learned the true meaning of the 'b' word, and never said one word to me again. It didn't help his pride that there was a crowd of other kids around, including boys who teased him about being sucker punched by a girl, doubling over and crying. :) That punch had some power behind it too, because I was taking karate at the time.
 

After all the excitement of Monday night, it's rather cruel that we didn't get an episode last night. And the next one is still many hours away.
 

Julie--For you, I went back and watched the crucial scene. Here is what I came up with. Of course, it is still open to other interpretations.

At min.22, Juan, in his dizzy feelings of superiority, after telling Perla in the restaurant that the lands are his, he adds that he "did" the wine thing. Perla is surprised and shocked. She said that wasn't a nice thing to do--they could all have lost their jobs. Juan, smirking, says that was the whole idea, to ruin him financially and he would step in and buy the vineyard.

At min. 49, we come right in on Perla packing to leave and Carito helping.
C. He (Juan) shouldn't have done that to the Patron.
P. He (David) deserved it.
C. The Patron has always helped him.
P. Not true...then she lists all the things she believes show David mistrusted him and didn't show him any respect. He deserved to have THOSE LANDS.
C. I don't want you to go.

I don't think Perla actually told Carito, specifically, about ruining the wine, unless she mentioned it before we saw the scene. If she did, it was implied. Carito has a powerful weapon, one Juan and SkidMark will use if they find out Perla said anything about it to ANYONE.

Can't believe I'm looking forward to tonight's episode.

Way to go, Vivi! If that had been me in 10th grade, I would have turned tail, gone into the bathroom and cried.
 

Thanks, Anita.

Ruining the wine was bad, but buying the tainted fertilizer was worse. It could have ruined the entire crop AND killed the workers. So, it still burns me (because it's so stupid) that David didn't fire Juan then. I mean, really fire him, and keep him fired. Or better yet, set fire to him.

I think if someone had called me a b in tenth grade, I would have been too confused to react. (I wouldn't have gone into the bathroom... didn't want to pay the toll.)
 

Julie--please clarify "pay the toll."
 

Wow, Vivi,good for you. I want to be with you when the going gets tough. You continue to amaze me as you have for many years!

I was always the smallest person in class , and kids were always picking me up and carrying me around when I was in elementary. I told my mother that kids were pushing me around , so she told me to kick them in the shins. I tearfully told her that they would kick me back. She thought for a moment and then said , "Well, kick them and run " I took the advice to heart. I remember my sixth grade Beau holding my arms behind my back, and I would kick him in the shins. However, I only ever slapped someone once when I was seventeen.
 

Time for Carito to be introduced to KARMA!


 

Susanlynn- Shin kicks would indeed be painful. I approve. :)
 

Anita, senior girls would demand money, cigarettes, etc for admission to the bathroom.
 

Julie...Yikes. Sounds like some rough chicks. I am so glad that I went to a small rural high school..Less than 500nstudents in grades 7 through 12. We did not have many tough chicks. My friend Mary Jane was probably the tough est one in the school.
 

Julie--Yikes, indeed. I missed that epoch, thank goodness. We had cliques, but never a gaggle of extortionists. Glad you survived.
 

They didn't monopolize the gym restrooms, so it wasn't a big problem. The cliques were bad, though, and apparently they still are because I hear the reunions (which I don't get invited to) are small and dull.

Despite all this, I really didn't mind high school and managed to stay out of trouble by virtue of being mostly a nobody - which is why I would have been confused if someone had called me a name!
 

Julie...I have run almost all our reunions...Nobody wants to run them. They want to do to them or "help"'which means that they want to tell me what they want so I can make it happens.Yeah, LUcille I am looking at you. EVERYONE is supposed to be invited to a reunion. Maybe the planners don't have your address. One of my classmates was married about four times , so I have had trouble keeping track of who she was in addition to where she was.HOwever, she seems to be slowing down now.
 

Well, my address didn't change. Snail and email. But my cousin's cousin didn't get invited to the one that I DID get invited to, so I don't take it too personally; I think someone just wasn't very good (or sufficiently motivated) at keeping track of stuff.

Now they organize the reunions through Facebook. I don't do Facebook, but I could look up the next one if I wanted to.

We just weren't a friendly bunch. We didn't feud or anything, but we didn't go outside our little groups, either.
 

Anita, thanks for the definitive word on the Carito/Perla conversation!

I can't wait for tonight's show, either! What a welcome feeling!
 

Steve and Bill: Were we included in the punch / slap survey? Or is it a forgone conclusion if you are a guy?

Pretty much a given if you played football.
 

Kirby...is punching with fists allowed in football?
 

No, but you always have a rival team who you fight off the field if you run into each other.

I'm not sure it is required to letter, but it sure helps.

:-)
 

Now that we have gotten past the endless "I wuv ewe soo much an I wonk to be whiff ewe ferever." this show has actually gotten interesting.

I could give a chipmunk's fart about David and Luci. But there are some other things which are downright interesting.
Mean people doing Baaaad things and getting their comeuppance is always a fun story. And I give the writers credit where credit is due, they have given us some genuinely hateful characters to wish doom on.

So I am looking forward to tonight.

kj
 

Hubba was hounded to play football by his wrestling coach who also coached football, but his dad was hurt playing football so he didn't want hub to play. Neither did his baseball coach because he didn't want him to hurt his pitching arm. He was offered scholarships for both wrestling and baseball. However,he once had a wrestling opponent who kept slapping him as they faced off. That was annoying to watch, and the ref didn't stop it. He pinned him .
 

Yeah I liked Football. Never cared for baseball, and my school didn't really pursue it either. Wrestling was always too um..'intimate'.. for me. Those guys (in my hillbilly school) always had ringworm. :-0

I still have a deviated septum from hitting fellows with my nose. :-)

Woo Hoo twenty minutes.
 

Urban, I've been very busy with work the last couple days, but I just wanted to thank you for your great recap writing. I do very much enjoy your writing skills. I can't add too much to all comments here except that I agree that noJuan's laugh sounded eerily like "the Joker" on Batman.

Well I'd better get started on Wednesday's recapping now.
 

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