Thursday, March 02, 2017
Vino el Amor #84; Wednesday March 1, 2017: With family like this, who needs enemies?
Labels: vino
What is up with GUt? Now he has decided to try to get back with Marta because Lilian is not cooperating. I do not get it.
Poor DAve , living in that nest of vipers and clueless about Disgraceful and Lilian just as he was clueless about his bff until Juan got right in his face (and fists) and spelled things out for him.
Luci has to be careful about confronting DIsgrace while she is holding a weapon , I.e. rock, paintbrush, . Disgrace is becoming more and more desperate as Mommy Dearest pushes her harder and harder.
That house call that Lilian and Disgrace made to confront Juan did not go well.
Cynthia: Luciana better watch herself!!!!! Graciela could've bashed her head with a brick or crowbar.
Outstanding summary Cynthia! Your dialogue translations and screen shots were fantastic. Thank you so much for wry lines such as "Lil says she wants to be his priority and he promises not to stand her up again and invites her to another event. (Gag!)". Perfect!
Early on, when Adolfo was trying to woo Lucia to work for him, I had a feeling Adolfo had some sort of grudge against David. That seems to have dissipated as he seemed genuinely concerned for Miguel last night and hasn’t given any indication he is (also) seeking some type of revenge.
My absolute favorite scene of the night was that after a sound scolding by Sonia, Carito leaned right back into Leon for a hug which he immediately reciprocated with a bit of a kiss to her head with a somewhat wary eye cast toward the door. Again, I have no idea where the Leon/Sonia relationship is heading, but I am enjoying the journey.
What I am NOT enjoying is Brian. This man is changing directions faster than a speedometer. Lili. Marta. Lili. Whoa! Pick a lane, son. Not that we really care though, right?? He is just annoying at this point. The only reason I can still see him in the story is that he might sacrifice himself to save someone else (speculation only).
"You speak with such nostalgia and all, it makes me feel badly.” Ummm, Erica, Miguel spent his entire life with people he misses. He has only been with you for what, 5 minutes? Patience. Patience.
Grace seemed oddly calm about Juan’s blackmail and having to pay the money. She seemed to have capitulated rather easily. I thought surely she would go into a tailspin. But she has her eyes fixed on the “prize”, David, so she continues undaunted. Susanlynn and Steve, I think she'll set her sights on Luci who seems a threatening target. I'm surprised she hasn't confronted her about being David's new novia.
Just wait until Marky Mark is revealed as co-owner. If David was angry before...
And best kiss so far? Fer and Tano. Geez....
Cynthia, thank you for all your time and effort in contributing so much here.
Diana
I think that SOnia and Lioncub will end up together, but the writers want to keep us guessing. I don't like Carito cuddling up to LEon now that Carito has lost her bff Perla and realizes that she does not have a chance with Miguel.
Juan warned Marked to stay away from Susan, but when has arrogant Marked ever listened to anyone?
What does JUan plan to do with GUt..Bribe him? Right now, Juan seems to be feeling large and in charge. Miguel seems to be out of danger from Juan and Marked at the moment. maybe we will have a tag team match at the end..DAVE AND Miguel vs Juan and Marked.... followed by a double wedding of besties Dave and LUci and Seize her and Soosan.
Well, at least Disgrace can take some of her fury out on her canvases. I wonder if she is using lots of red in her paintings lately.
Does Juan have anything on Gut? I don't know. But he seems pretty confident he can manipulate him.
Diana
I think the most tender kiss was when Ingrid kissed Leon on the cheek but if that never happens I like him better with Carito. Nothing against Sonia but Leon and Sonia are a parody of a bad romance novel.
I appreciate David cutting any tie with Graciela and quite brutal at times but nothing seems to penetrate her ceramic facade. Just like ceramic, however hard it seems, if you strike it right it cracks into sharp shards.
Hey: Are we supposed to be rooting for DisGrace? It appears as so. She is facing insurmountable odds and keeps soldiering on, facing setback after setback. And any one of these individual losses would cause a non-galaness to toss in the towel.
Anything over $10,000 has to be reported, and your bank sends you a little notice that they have ratted you out. I wonder if NoJuan and Graciela have made sure those kinds of mail don't somehow get into Dave's mailbox.
And a big Thank You Cynthia for an entertaining, detailed piece put together with your usual skill.
Tofie I like your ceramic analogy. Yes I suspect we will see some quite Sharp fragments when it finally shatters.
Sonia, Sonia, Sonia. Is anybody in this show older than 12? That's just unadulterated goofy.
I would love to see a prequel featuring the Fab four during their college days , and how those four interacted and Dave and Lisa ended up together. Can you imagine those double dates. Also, we could see what actually happened between Lilian, Fernando, and Marta. That would be interesting.
I am always amazed to watch these novelas and see people waste their lives pursuing people who don't want them. If someone does not want me, why would I want that person? And then there is the revenge element and people wasting their lives trying to get venegence for real or perceived wrongs.
DisGracie isn't having a good day, is she? Guffaw!
She needs to get over the idea that she is the most desirable thing in ramerawear (although this series isn't providing remotely as many fashion felonies as past ones). And why is David still allowing her to touch him at all? That has to stop ayer.
When she finally does suck some man's blood will that put any color in her cheeks?
Gutierrez is playing Lillian but he might be getting to the point that it's more trouble than it's worth. What she did with the reporters should write the end to that. And telling him to go after Marta? Be careful what you wish for. This woman makes me almost ashamed to be a gringa.
From the recap, "Susan finds some paperwork that shows a lot of inconsistencies with some unknown providers. David is about to kick himself because he should have listened to everyone who was warning him."
Here it should be noted that Susan should be held responsible (and Miguel). After the fertilizer poisoning, David assigned Susan and Miguel to supervise Juan closely and everything he did was supposed to be approved by one of them. Of course that made Juan mad. I guess the writers forgot that small detail or forgot to inform us the sanctions had been lifted.
But David has to shoulder some of the responsibility as well. He IS the owner and as things were clearly amiss, he should have made shadowing Juan's every action a priority. But, clearly his children came first. As well they should have but he should have insisted on more follow-up reports from Susan and Miguel.
Diana
Kinda like real life.
So do you think David will be mad at DisGrace AGAIN when he finds out she killed Lisa? I wish we did not have to wait for the last 5 minutes of any TeleNovela for the evil people to be discovered.
If David is as pissed at NoJuan for some comparatively minor offences he might go Whacko on DisGrace.
She should run for office. Stare you right in the eye and tell you something 180 degrees from the truth.
What can we say about Brian the Gut? He's an enigma. When I thought he was dissing Lil he moved up a notch in my book of guys trying to do the right thing, but he no sooner gets told by Lil to go look for Marta to go the event, than voila--he calls her. He just sounds so insincere to me telling Marta he loves her. A whiner. What does he get out of it? More positive press coverage--being with a Latina rather than a "Norteamericana?" Gimme a break.
Marta should have spelled out a couple of definitive reasons not to want to be with him anymore. Although she cut him off with the "you deported my family," I think he was left wondering if there was still a chance. She should have said he was an opportunist taking up with Lilian again to further his career. It's odd he's never told Marta it was Lil who set him up with the deportation scheme. Obviously, he's not proud of that because it reflects on him professionally, but just as obvious, he doesn't want to cut Lil off completely. She still wields some power and influence in the community. But if he takes up with Marta again? He knows Lil has cut him off in the past for dating Marta. As I said, he's an enigma. He's playing a dangerous game.
He's also walking a thin line between being charged with treating undocumented immigrants unfairly and trying to break up a human trafficking ring, the latter which was what he couldn't talk about in response to the reporters' questions.
I was surprised that DisGrace was prepared to call NoJuan's bluff when the coven interrupted his TV show.
Anybody like Gut still wearing Sargent stripes, etc. on a khaki uniform now?
And I am still Corn-fused how on God's Green Earth Lillian has any real influence in the community. It is a give and take thing, and she does not have anything to bring to the party. We have not seen her holding social shindigs for the rich and powerful, so where is it coming from?
I loved watching Disgrace's face during her and Lil's trip to Juan's place. When he started hinting around about the murder, she was so mad I thought her eyes would go twirly like the Trix rabbit. I think she agreed to pay Juan because Lil convinced her that it would be just a one-time thing. Alas, Lil has no idea what's really at stake. Juan's going to ask for more money again eventually. Then Grace might be obliged to rock him.
I don't know what to think about Gut. I think he's as messed up as Luciana except that his options aren't nearly as good.
I am mystified by Liliian's alleged influence on the community. You'd think her repeated phone calls during the campaign (support him - no don't - okay yes support him again) would have ruined her last shred of credibility.
I love having the picture of Lilian's shirt, that's such a pretty blouse.
Julie--there are a lot of folks out there who don't think for themselves and just do what they are told by other folks who tell them what to think and do because they know what's best. Fictional Sonoma is probably representative of other jurisdictions.
Lil's influence stems from her association with David through his marriage to Lisa. Nothing else that I can see on the horizon. But that's what makes her so dangerous. She should never have allied herself with Juan. He was out to ruin David. Where would that have left her, pushing as she was for DisGracie to snag David? She was probably counting on all the money that DG made as an artist--which she denigrates at every turn--to keep her in red wine and unfashionable wearing apparel.
Oh shoot I'm laughing, Silly Wabbit Twix are for Kids
If they never even showed DisGrace from the neck down she would still be effective with that steely stare she has DOWN.
Yeah, to me...Gut/Lil/Marta are just filler. Lock the three in a cage together with no food and come back in a couple months and see which one(s) were eaten.
Hey! I didn't think this episode was bland at all. It wasn't bright and brawly like Monday, but things are moving along.
When Luci and Disgrace were having their insightful, thought-provoking debate, I couldn't help noticing just how pointy that paintbrush handle was. Luci should have worn protective eyewear.
I agree that Disgrace folded so quickly about handing over money to Juan because she didn't want him making threats about what he knew in front of Lilian. I cannot imagine what will be hitting the proverbial fan when the truth about Lisa's death comes out. Dave will go berserk. We are going to see Viking anger . The kids will be devastated, but how will Lilian react to the news that her favorite daughter was killed by the daughter she seems to have no love for?
The whole thing with Gutierrez and Lilian Trump (really--after her verbal gaffe on camera, it was right there) and Marta...I'm still inclined to think that he at least tried to honestly get back together with our favorite blonde Hyacinth Bucket-wannabe after being spectacularly dumped, but his experiences with Marta (point to CC3 for Lil calling her "the mold that stuck in Brian's brain") stuck with him and that indirectly sets him up for redemptory karma at some point. This fakakta show's not really been very good about that up until the past two or three episodes, though, since it keeps making it all about Lilian's borderline psychopathic hatred of Marta and Latinas in general...and, TBH, I've already been long over Gut. The fact that the sheriff version of Gut looks like a stripper for a bachelorette party right before he tears his shirt off just puts it over the top.
Fer will probably be pregnant by then.
Could Lillian in a drunken snit kill her remaining daughter?
"unfashionable wearing apparel"
OT did anyone catch the 'Great Value' shower curtain Giselle wore last night as a top?
Hyacinth Bucket?? Wow Bill, you caught me off guard with that reference!
be in Magic Mike III...If he can dance.
I wonder who is going to die and who is going to prison. Lilian looks a lot bigger and stronger than DIsgrace (was Fernando a petite guy? ) There is a staircase that could become a telenovela staircase of doom. One nudge from a crazed, angry Lilian and tiny, delicate 100lb. Disgraceful will be somersaulting down those steps ala Scarlett .
Vest count for this episode..2. Dave, of course, was wearing his signature look as was Sonia. VEsts R US.
I like the stairs idea, but I'm afraid Disgrace's little body would just flutter down the steps like a tumbleweed.
DY 77 and Anita: Just wanted to say that I enjoyed writing the recap and I'm happy to take it on for the team! I really do make it more interesting for myself by playing around with the screenshots. :)
I find it very weird how Lilian thinks so highly of herself. You would think she is a very wealthy woman or something. But gosh darn, she has to live with her son in law in order to have a nice place to live? Haven't they brought up that she has a dump someplace in San Diego? She's got NOTHING, NOTHING! She has deluded herself into thinking she's "high class" when she is nothing but a wannabe.
Gut needs to drop Lil like a hot potato.
I can't wait for Lil, DisGrace, and Juan to go to prison, or die, or whatever bad thing might happen to them because they are bad people. I would hate to see any of them get off scott free without consequences. I hope Mark does something soon to land him in the slammer again, but hopefully it will be the case that he won't get out again. Or maybe he will be caught trying to do something to Susan and someone will have to shoot him in self defense. Or maybe the illegal trafficking victims will rise up against him and beat him up to a pulp.
Priceless. Craziella looked like her
Laxative overworked.
Juan and Mark are two very overly confident jerks about their plans to get rich quick. The way they're doing it there's a murder coming. Who's is
The ????.
Maybe after all this"my vineyard is bigger than your vineyard"stuff is over,(orchard in juan's case) miguel
And Dave will be bffs+cesar.
Lillian and Gracie are like lucy&Ethel
On steroids overdose. They're both so
incredibly stupid. They'd be funny if
They weren,t so pathetic.And dangerous
And dumb with it.
I suppose I should cut fernanda some slack, she's this spoiled Sack of over
Worked hormones who thinks she should have everything she wants. But she's Daddy's Little Princess. I said I should cut her some slack but I won't.
She needs to learn she can't have everything she wants and she can't wrap her dad around a little finger, but that's partly his fault, he needs to open his eyes about her too. Maybe
Tano can do better, but not Susan. I'm
Liking her with an adult man, cesar.
Ok Thank Cynthia
I must say that the Gut-Lil-Marta triangle is the worst I've seen. Gut is so flaky, he's hardly worth the bother.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_meld
I also agree with you about Lil, Susanlynn. I can't find anything redeemable about Lilian at all. Or at least I haven't seen it yet.
Gutierrez is/was a self-hating wannabe, but he isn't the same as he was in Episode 1. He's more enlightened. However, I watch his facial expressions and when Lillian can't see his face his expression is one of "Beam me up, Scotty; this woman is a black widow spider" (or praying mantis). After that little stunt yesterday he should ditch her and not look back. I don't know why he has never told Luciana or Marta that Lillian manipulated him into deporting Luciana and Marcos except for the fact that this could bring Lillian down prematurely.
Luci must have been having pffttts after every kiss so now they just have a "romantic' head butt.
I also think that Brian is the same age as David, which makes him anything from 40-43. I think Lillian is meant to be about 60. I suspect that Lisa and DisGrace were born no more than two years apart and DisGrace was the younger of the two.
Younger same-sex sibs very often have the issue of keeping up or trying to surpass the older one in some way. This has been a theme in novelas over the past several years:
Adriana, Magdalena, and Rebeca in ECDLP
Regina and Daniela in PyP
Monica (or other name) and Aimee in Corazon Salvaje (all versions)
Camila and Ximena in Amor Bravio
Renata and Roberta in Cuando Me Enamoro
...and a host of others.
I just do not get the Gut \ Lilian \ Marta triangle. It doesn't seem believable. I cannot suspend my belief that much. However, Gut is still here, and now he is sheriff, so he must be an important part of the storyline that will resolve a!l the dirty dealings that Juan and Marked are involved in. Let's see if the writers are clever enough to give us a satisfying conclusion to this long and winding road. Gut has been pretty jerky, so he can only be redeemed by doing something heroic at this point.
She wouldn't be so mad & jealous every
Time she sees them together.
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