Thursday, April 20, 2017
Vino el Amor #129; Wednesday April 19, 2017: The Bad, the Ugly, and it just gets Worse!
If I hear DAve say, "I am doing this for the good of my children" one more time, I will scccrreeaamm.
Wow... GUt's death scene just went on and on. I had to look away. Awful. Now, what will Carito do , and who is going to bring Juan down? Uff These writers are a disappointment.
I won't be smiling when Lulu rushes back to comfort Dave after Grace is revealed as Lisa's killer. I hope that AFokfo doesn't join her to embrace Lilian..Bblleecchh.
Make it all stop.
Entertainment? Nope. More like seeing a pet get hit by a car.
Thank You for recapping this episode Cynthia. The recapping troops are Saints.
Kirby: Diva David is STUPID & POS! He's intent on marrying Graciela & I'm looking forward to seeing the look on his face when it's revealed that Graciela whacked Lisa.
FerBrat & Bobby are bigger fools & idiots! They need to be slapped!
Susanlynn: Perla's Karma is coming! Univision likely cut scenes from this episode too from what I can tell.
Jeezopete! Brian's death scene was long, and graphic and too realistic-looking. No, I haven't seen anyone die whether from natural or provoked causes but did he "finish" dying last night? Not trying to be funny, just wondering if they left him sputtering blood but still hanging on to a few breaths. In the death scene I saw Brian confessed his love to Marta again and told her that it was Lil who told him to deport some people and he had NO IDEA that it was her family. As he is spitting out his life blood, this testifies to his veracity. Anyway, she forgives him and also declares that she loves him and she kisses his bloody face and he tells her he loves her with his last breath and she keeps repeating the same, WAILING for him not to die and that she loves him.
Did they leave that out? If they did, they are unforgivable hacks! This is NO criticism of the recap, just wondering if they made Brian's death into a cliff hanger and if they didn't, why did they leave out Brian FINALLY outing Lil as the orchestrator of the deportation?
In other news. . . .
León is shocked and Tano tells him that he wanted to make sure he knew right away so that he can let Luciana know, since she shouldn’t have to hear it through the grapevine. (Sorry I had to use that metaphor, LOL)
YAAAY! Cynthia, you HAD to use that metaphor and thank you! Love it!
“Your friend David is about to make the biggest mistake of his life. And you being his friend have to do something!”
NO, he's a grown-assed man and this is the problem with the whole story" we're supposed to believe this is Vino el Amor when it's Vino el Brain-dead, spineless "galan" who let his children run his "love" life while the woman who ran his business gets run off the joint and pines away pitifully for his useless ass!
“Because I didn’t like the way Luciana did things with the children. . . WTF is he TALKING about?
Here's another example of these writer's sick, twisted idea of what love is or at least the kind of love they think viewers want to see:
You shouldn’t do this to the sheriff. You can do something irreversible to him.” But Lilian just laughs about this and thinks it’s the perfect excuse to get him to come back to her. . .Are you going to tell me you don’t love him?” Lil admits that she does.
WHAT?? Okay, with this demonstrated definition of what love is, Lil MUST have killed Fernando!
One last thing, for now:
Marta declared her love to a dying Brian. She DOES NOT love Ramon and I wish he could have witnessed this "touching" scene!
The greatest "love" story in this effed up novela is that between Lil and Marta -- they have only loved men that the other "loved" and shagged, now both of those middle men are dead. Just cut to the chase, heffas!
Thank you Cynthia!
Steve. Will Perla of Juan brain cell figure out that NoJuan had the Sheriff whacked in his botched attempt to kill her only friend on planet earth, Darito? Of course NoBalls NoJuan would not try something like that himself, because he doesn't even know how to shoot a gun. When he had just bought his little plastic toy Glock (looked like) Perla asked him how he thought he would use it, as he did not know how, and he said he would take a class.
Yup. David needs a wake up call. Trampled by elephants, Bitten by King Cobra, Epicenter of earthquake, participant of 50 car pileup on the interstate, MARRY DISGRACE. There is your answer. He will one day be Wide Assed Awake, much to his chagrin.
I was under the impression that Brian was still alive at the end of this episode, but barely. He should have told Marta about Lillian's role in this long ago when he found his conscience. He especially should have done so as soon as Luciana came back. This is something Marta should absolutely know.
Is David ever going to remember those boarding school brochures that Bobby found in DisGrace's room?
More later. I will need breakfast before getting back to my last recap for MdN.
Hoppy in that I predict Marta will do the first useful thing in her miserable life and HOP on top of Lillian. Both of these old prunes are so unremarkable that I could care less which one wins, just one of you kill the other so we can adjust the body count. David needs to take time out from being DisGrace's toilet paper to brush up on his refereeing, Those skills will soon be needed.
The most important case (as we have seen anyway) in his watch and his witness is escorted by the Sheriff and his on off on off on off girlfriend? No other popo. no vests, nuttin Honey.
You know why do they bore us with this shit. Just let him park his Harley to write a parking ticket as Marta drives by with Adolf and lightning strike Gut.
Anybody think Darito neeeds a change of drawers? "Sheezo Marta what did you talk me into? That turned to snake shit in a hurry. Last time I will listen to the nanny."
At this point she may have to die for anything to be put right.
"Dave tends to be as stubborn as a goat once he’s made up his mind to do something"
At least they didn't shoot Carito but since Brian is the only law enforcement official in the US I guess Juan is safe.
I hope Graciela continues to be patient with Bobby. If Bobby becomes more involved in soccer he'll ask her to talk David into sending him to the school in Spain. Strategic Patience, Graciela.
If Sonia is so concerned about what Lilian is doing then why didn't she tell someone?
Uncomfortable as it is to watch, I feel Luciana, unable to turn off after a day.
Anybody think Darito neeeds a change of drawers? "Sheezo Marta what did you talk me into? That turned to snake shit in a hurry. Last time I will listen to the nanny."
Gosh, man, you're on this early! Crackin' me up!
Well, I hope what I shared isn't a spoiler but it occurred to me that the death scene was sooo long that maybe they made his torturous demise a cliff hanger but sounds like he died at the end of this episode and if so, MAN, they left out a key plot point!!
I apologize if indeed this is going to be shown at the beginning of today's show but y'all know he's going to die, not sure why they treated the confession like this.
Not sure why I keep wondering why these darned writers do whatever they do whacka do!
Yah, anyway, Carito maybe doesn't need a change of drawers cause I'm sure that scene scared her shitless! Indeed, as Cynthia said, why were they WALKING to the Police Station and why were they right there at the scene of the human trafficking bust stop and site of Juan's major ass-whuppin?
DOH! Maybe this whole novela is a story written by Dud-veed who is also a secret romance novelist like Sonia and soon the cover will be closed and it will be Luciana and Dave reading this story to their triplets, Milk Dud, Furbrainita and Boobie!
Yah, that's it!!! ;D
She wants to Marry Dudley. Not just 'get' him, or make him fall for her, but legally married is this stage of the plan, apparently.
BUT then what? OK so get the kids out of the picture. Then what? ! ? ! ? !
Sell it and take her share? Sell it and they move into town and become socialites?
Buy her a side boyfriend that she actually likes.
Just call me corn-bread.
. . .or permanently plopped atop their "marriage" bed. Use your imagination.
And you and Lila beat us all to it on two points:
1. Magic Brian escorting Carito and Marta to Sonoma PD HQ...on foot. How the fork did he get to Bodega del Disfuncion in the first damn place?!? Does everybody walk in Sonoma? Do only tourists own the cars we see in the establishing shots?
2. It looked like Brian wasn't quite dead at the end of this episode, though with all his flopping around like a dead fish...OTOH, it wasn't as long as Cristian de la Fuente's death scene in Corazon salvaje '09. (Yet.) But it'd be oddly hilarious if, going off the apparently uncut scene, the editors we love to hate snip out the bit about Marta declaring she still loves him--the only edit that might actually help, since she's supposed to be moving the fork on with Ramon. Marta's relationship trainwreck...er, woes are the one thing that rival David's all-over blazing hot mess for THE WORST EVER, and even if the groundwork's been there for weeks we don't need to see this bit!
Bill, I could just SCREAM!!!! They just don't care, do they? They just don't a flyin' fudge! THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!!
Ok, even if we give them that they drove to the Police Dept., why did he park so far away, again, parking at the slave bus stop and walking. . . .oh, no, I can't.
STOP ASKING FOR LOGIC, LET'S JUST MOCK, PEOPLE!!!
Lillian's original plan when Lisa was still alive was to steal the vineyard out from under David. If she could have gotten him indebted to her to have to sign it over to pay the debt (unlikely) or gotten him to somehow put it in Lisa's name under some false pretext, either would probably have satisfied her. Then a few years later Bobby was born.
Remember that Lillian did try back then to get DisGrace to back off on trying to seduce David. She didn't want her boat rocked. It took a while before she realized that she couldn't trust Juan and that was when she backed DisGrace's efforts to bag David. She wanted a cushy life so all she had to do was read her books, drink David's wine, and go into town at will.
DisGrace is still the disfavored daughter three years after she killed Lisa. She wants to be rid of her mother. That is the only thing about DisGrace that I can sympathize with. However, you don't separate a father from children who need him or separate him from land that means something to him that you don't get. That exchange with Luciana last week in which DisGrace mocked the concept of loving the land was getting to the heart of this situation.
I don't think there are enough episodes left for this to go there but what could David do for a living if he sold the vineyard? DisGrace obviously thinks that all he would do is spend time with her. Well, whatever bedroom tricks she knows will only go so far before he would need more. She's a silicone doll with no heart and no soul and he would realize that before she would need botox.
Which, now that I think of it, she might be getting as prevention.
I don't know, is there any money in request-a-depraved-act-on-camera porn sites?
DisGonebonkersalongtimeago HAS no plan! She doesn't understand or care about the vineyard or the concept of love of the land, SHE'S CRAAAAY-ZEEEEE!!!
Also, I always neglect to mention the screen caps. They are amazing and add so much to the enjoyment of the recap which is more enjoyable than the show! Thank you!
I've also read the comments and was struck by this:
Lila "The greatest "love" story in this effed up novela is that between Lil and Marta -- they have only loved men that the other "loved" and shagged, now both of those middle men are dead. Just cut to the chase, heffas!" THIS. It's sad when the most reliable relationship in a TN is this one. Even Leon and Sonia have had dumb spats, but Lilian and Marta are SOLID.
I wonder if Lil will blame Marta for Gut's death.
NOW I will read the recap.
I still do not know what the message of this show is supposed to be, but I notice that at the beginning, the baddies were all hooked up with someone , but we had a lot of single goodies. Evidently the message is that if you are a good person , you will eventually after going through a lot of manure find a pony ...In other words , you will get a significant other as your reward...SusanCEsar, CubbySonia, FerTano, MartaRAmon, DaveLU...MAYBE miguelCArito ugh...But no one left for sweet AFolfo...Please not LIlian.
Of course she will and in the sick emotional web these two are entangled in, this new death and battling over who really loved him, and who loved him more will be the center of more years of the kind of mind-effing these two pitiful broads love so well.
You are all thinking about the whys so much more than these writers ever have.
Grace WANTS Dave..Period. THat's it. She has not thought about the long-term. She got him in bed. She got the ring. She has plans simmering for getting Fed and BIbbity Bobbitty Boo out of the house. After that??????? She is like a kid begging for a toy. Once the kid actually gets the toy, it is often left in the toy box or traded with the neighbor. Uh oh, Dave, there could be a box or a new owner in your future. Is there a market for middle aged bearded guys who wear vests , are depressed, and not too bright? Probably not...Then, it's the box, DAve.ADios, Pappy. QUe lastima.
Lila, you are winding Kirby up. Pace yourselves, guys,. It is still early in the day.
Why did Gut come to the house when they were all going to end up going to the police station anyway?
When Susan told David that there was more work at the vineyard than they could handle, I thought he'd say he was ready to roll up his sleeves and help. But nope.
Poor Cesar. He's always right, and David never pays him any heed.
DG still laying the groundwork to send Bobby to Spain. I guess she was just testing the waters. It may actually be harder to get him on board with going to Spain now that he knows he can go to a futbol school in SF.
While I feel sorry for Lu, it's not right for her to blame DG for this. DG did manipulate her way into this engagement, but David is the one who let Luciana down. (This reminds me of Lil blaming Marta for ruining her marriage. Marta never made any vows to Lilian. Fernando did. Put the blame where it belongs.) (Marta did make vows to Marcos, but that's a separate issue.)
So the Spanish word for "pie" is... "pie"? Wish they had said what kind it was. These things are important to me.
Sad to say, I was dividing my attention last night and didn't see any of David's beard-scratching. But I'll bet there will be more tonight.
Susanlynn: "Is there a market for middle aged bearded guys who wear vests , are depressed, and not too bright?" welll... he'd prolly have to shave. I don't mind the vests. But he's going to have to either cheer up or smarten up. I can take gloomy or dim, but not both. This comes with free wine, though, right?
Well, when Maaaarrtyr called him she was very vague, just said she HAD TO talk to him and couldn't go into detail over the phone. As he left, one of his underlings offered to come along but Brian said, "No thanks, this is personal."
The need to be prompted to call 911 was as koo koo as walking to the Police Station or either parking a mile away from it walking through the underpass of ass-whuppin and death! She should have yelled into the phone OFFICER DOWN, OFFICER DOWN!!
A lot of English words have made their way into the Spanish language, one of them being "pie". There are a number of words to designate pastry, one being "pastel", another being "empanada" (which is actually a turnover). Sometimes the generic word for dessert is used, that being "postre". But there is no one real word in Spanish for a pie as we know it, like an apple pie. Sometimes they use the word for tart, which is "tarta", but that still isn't a pie. When I go to Mexican bakeries, pies are just not there. You can see a number of different kinds of pastries, pan de huevo, empanadas, but no pies made in a 9 inch pie plate, double or single crusted with fruit or cream.
Randy, Graciela humphing Dave didn't think about Luciana much though he saw her everyday and he wouldn't even be thinking of giving her some closure had Luciana not been at the restaurant and he had to see her sad face. How dare Luciana ruin the evening for him.
How arrogant of him, deciding the squeaky wheel shouldn't squeak if only it understood.
College for Furby and soccer school in Spain is not cheap and his business is on autopilot with dead batteries.
Now, let's have one for noJuancaresabout you and DisGraveyardbound.
This murder appeared to be within the city limits, and even though there is not now a Sheriff, it is in the jurisdiction of the city cops to investigate, and to carry on the investigation.
If there is one and only one truth about modern law enforcement, if you kill one, every one of them within a hundred miles is now gunning for your ass. Why do they remind me of my Fire Ants? That said, we assume they will somehow tie this to NoJuan.. I can't remember if both perps are dead or not. I think Gut got both of them
Will Carito's Near Death Experience make Perla realize that NoJuan is a lying murderer?
Will Perla be able to put one juan and juan together and get too? :-)
Will Carito be on the next FAST bus back to Mexico?
Does Marta (not that it will make any diff) know what Carito told Gut?
Did Gut's body camera record all this?
And we still don't know what the underling was trying to give Gut when he rushed off to see Marta (he thought).
I'm not sure how much Marta knows. She discretely went upstairs when Carito was talking to Gut. Both these chicks witnessed the shoot-out (yah, the two other perps are dead) which resulted in the death of The Sheriff: they must needs go under police protection 24/7 like Gut-man promised, don't ya think?! Carito should be even more motivated now to tell her story to authorities.
Body camera? Wake up man! Remember, they walked to the Police Station through the seediest part of town!
Oh yeah! That's right!
Ok, time for me to do other stuff and stop spamming the board. See y'all later!
Poor Gut. RIP. You were fun to screencap.
Julie - couldn't agree with this more... DG did manipulate her way into this engagement, but David is the one who let Luciana down.
For anyone who wants to live chat any telenovela (except La Piloto because no one talks about that as it's awful), just go on Twitter during the show and use the hashtag that Uni gives you. You'll find people chatting it up who are very friendly. I'm in the #vinoamor tag almost every night. I'm not watching it, but many Twitter users are into Mujeres de Negro right now.
How many times have we seen someone ripped through the chest by a bullet and survive? More than I can count. So this one is fatal? There was a lot of blood.
Agree to the idiocy of the three "victims" having to walk to the station. (Hmmm all the way from the Incompetent Vineyard?) I think it was near an underpass where, was it Miggy who got beat up? They could have made it just as dramatic to have them drive up to the station, get out and there is a shoot-out between Gut, the two hitmen and other police to come running. Gut could still have been mortally wounded and the two hitmen could be dead and we would be much more satisfied. Arrrgghh.
Now a quick look at all the comments. They have to be terrific.
Bill, I didn't see the one where Leon and Sonia went to Mexico City, so I didn't realize they'd shown anyone in a car since the day Lisa died. The only cars I've seen since then were parked on the street in downtown Sonoma. I was starting to think they must all travel by Segway.
And since you put the thought in my head: as it turns out, the Sonoma PD HQ in-show is apparently the actual PD HQ. But, since we literally never even see anybody coming in or out of it or anything other than that one damn establishing shot, it's just as bad as if it was some other building.
1.) Lisa Robles
2.) Marcos Munoz
3.) Immigrants from the Smuggling Fields
4.) El Coyote
5.) Don Fernando
6.) Mark Evans AKA OJ Mark
7.) Juan's Wife
8.) Erika Ballesteros
9.) Juan's Hired Thugs
10.) Sonoma County, CA Sheriff Brian Gutierrez AKA I'm Ashamed of Being Latino!
A few points here to be added to the list of felonies and misdemeanors being committed in the production of this series.
Somewhere in the beginning we saw Fernanda in a car with her friends, one of the friends at the wheel. There have been a few cabs here and there.
Maybe the network blew the automobile budget on MdN. Lots of cars in that one.
On a bulletproof vest? Aren't they suppose to wear vest? Especially when
They're lookin for peoplestrafficers.
I hate that they killed him off. Maybe that's why he got the award, he died really well. He died loving Marta. Lil
Is going to find a way to blame marta.
What else is new. I saw how gosh darn
Hotlookin he is.And they kill him off.
O, stupid stupid dud-vid."In time I'll
Fall in love with graciella and forget
About luciana",Jackass! It don't work
Like that in some worlds.He didn't even believe that when he said it. She
Come floucing in the office with many
Wedding mags, "whatever you do is fine
With me",now here's a man in love(Not)
Meaning she can wear croker sack, he'd
Be fine. He Is lying to himself for the sake of the kids. He's gonna blow.
The pressure is building.
She wants to ship Booby off to far away Spain. Booby ain't Havin it. She
Plottin now, cuz he said unequivocally NO!! I'm not leaving. We'll he said nope. But we get it. He ain't leaving.
Lillian is going to be inconsolable when she hears about gut.I hate it, he
Was so pretty.Why'd they have to make
Him so gorgeous and then kill him off?
We'll thats tv forya.
So Dave is gonna go see lucy? He may
Have to make that trip to the hospital
Cuz that's where they may be, as mom will be there with brian.(O brian, don't die, let this be a nightmare of lil's and she wakes up screaming NOOOOO! and he only got shot once and survived). Ok I'm back. Stupid writters. Just my wishful thinkin.
I guess fer is really blind,or she don't want to see her dad is in a
Miserable state,cuz shes too into her own selfishness. Yeah, that's it.
Cynthia this saw good. Thank you.
Fun show with the stewardesses, but feel awful about all those F150s.
I am not going to be happy watching Lu forgiving and forgetting and taking Dumbo back. She should move on. Dave is high maintenance , and I think that things are just going to get worse as time marches on. Old Dave will most likely be even needier and grumpier than middle aged Dave. Run, Lulu, run.
about Lucy "I don't like what she did
With my kids", where the hell did that
Come from. Lucy did nothing but try to
Get along with those unbearable little
Selfish monsters. He and Lucy tryin to work to keep the vineyard from goin under booby whines "that's all you and
Lucy do is work" what about me what about me what about me. And then he's
Got the nerve to say Lucy isn't good
Enough for his brats?!?!That koolade
The hellion been giving him has gone to his bearded head. He's a grown add
Man let his spoiled braty kids and his
Manipulative bottom feed twist him all
In knots. And now got him marrying that succubus from he'll. He must not have been paying attention all those years when Lisa was pushing her away from them. He wasnt paying attention. Stupid jackass.
Ok done venting for now : )
I would like the wedding to take place in the vineyard that Grace loves so much, with all of its dirt and snakes and manual laborers.
Say... if a snake bites her, will her venomous blood harm the snake?
If Grace goes to prison, David will not do conjugal visits. He will visit her frequently, though, with his new girlfriend and say how much better his life is now. Then he will give her all the technical data on the current season's crops and drone on and on until she wants to stab herself in the eye, but she won't be able to because the sharpest thing they let her have is a pillow. (She has to eat with her hands.)
As for lessons, I learned that police make house calls, but they won't drive you places. They don't need to. They know all the back-alley shortcuts.
I'm off to forage for my dinner. If I get home before 9 I will try to open up a chat room. If it looks good, I will post the URL here in case anyone happens to be online so we can try it out.
Susanlynn at 6:35. Yep! Apparently that's the lesson, at least for psychopaths and looks like Luci is going to join the ranks of the emotionally disturbed because she's already declared that she luuuurves Dudveed no matter what!
"Hallowed ground"... Were you a " Highlander the TV series" fan? I know that Carlos watched that show. There can be only one! Maybe I'll do a marathon of that series one day.
If Juan hasn't self-destructed by then, I'd like him to crash the wedding or reception, something public, something that will freak DG out and make her melt down and confess and get her ass dragged away by the police!
"Oh I'm just soooo happy I could blah blah blah, and suck out your blood, I Looove blood so ....er um you kids so much."
What happened to normal kids testing the boundaries? The first thing kids usually want to know is how BIG a liar any freshly minted grownup is. They will in many situations risk punishment just to find out if you mean what you say.
These vanilla Stepford zombie kids are nothing like that.
"Certainly, and you are, Sir?" "NoJuan Tellez, Father, and I have......."
"Grace, Grace? Daughter, what are you doing?"
"If I can't have him, nojuan can."
She bites him and gives him Rabies.
Yah, that sounds cold-blooded but it's not my fault! Graceless and Dumbnuts made me feel this way!
Of course he will not get a prenup, because that would prove to DisGrace that he is still pining for LuLu and does not trust DG after all she has done for his Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilllly.
Rabies doesn't get used as frequently in TNs as I would like.
Another lesson learned: blondes have more fun. I mean, look at these people.
I will fire up a chatroom after I finish my sammidge.
Another fantastic outing. You have added so much here! Insightful and thoughtful as always.
Did anyone else notice Tano is scratching his face as David’s been doing? Any significance? No? Probably I’m just desperately trying to find something to divert me from this never ending angst.
While I agree Brian’s death throes seemed long, drawn out and painful, I am going to make a comment I don’t think I’ve ever made. The actor completely dropped the ball IMHO. He was flailing about, and felt (strange as it seems due to the circumstance), was just overly dramatic. I think he’s done a good job overall but in this scene? Nopis.
I still fear for Carito.
Now I hope David does marry Graciela and that when he finally realizes his mistake, he will lose Luciana and his fortune. Good luck. Adios.
Thank you for all the insightful comments everyone. The marvelous recaps, fascinating comments and Kirby's avatars always impress and cheer me daily.
Cynthia, thank you!
Susanlynn, I went to a Highlander convention in 1995 and saw AP in person. I confess I got tongue-tied and said stupid things. Ditto with Stan Kirsch. I bailed in the final season when Duncan killed Richie. Apparently, I have limits.
My sammy was on a long roll, so there was no way to cut off the crusts. But I still pondered it for a little while.
Back in a few...
If it asks for a password, it's:
The chat room disappears after the last person leaves.
Looked like it could have been the in the liver and then the other bullet may have hit the heart. That would explain the blood upchuckin. Doin that and talkin and tryin to breath at the same time made the death scene last that long. I guess.
Maybe that's why he got that award, he
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