Monday, April 17, 2017
Vino el Amor, Lunes 4/17/17 Chapter 126: When All Sex Fails, Play the Victim & Chapter 127: Surrogate and Departing Daughters
Slicing and dicing during Ultimas Semanas is a Class A Felony.
In DisGrace's defense, you do what you are good at. SHE is Good at that. Dave you are a Dolt. Those roids do some messed up shit to you.
Thank you for taking such care with this episode. Your conversation translations added so much.
Too many favorites to list but "deliberate deshabille of Gracie" and "absurdly childish game of telephone" were among many favorites. "She didn't want to see David and Gracie together day by day but didn't want to leave him and his kids at her not-so-tender mercies" is side bar worthy.
For a show I've felt rather indifferent about recently (primarily due to the editing), my heart really went out to Luci last night. I kept thinking she MUST have hit rock bottom, but no. She is still circling the drain, waiting to be sucked into the vortex created by the evil Graciela.
I don't believe there has ever been a character so perfectly manipulative as Graciela. She has cunningly preyed on every single soft spot and weakness of David and his children perfectly. Guilting David, eliciting sympathy and support from Fernanda and Bobby - her deviousness knows no bounds.
"Cesar reminded him that Gracie was caring for the children to benefit herself by getting him". Such true powerful words only to be negated by David's perception Graciela has sacrificed everything for him. Ack.
"Dishonest, DisCeitful, DesPicable, Distorted" spot on Kirby...
The only bright lights were Adolfo and Miguel (boy, I didn't think I'd be saying that). Adolfo is generous and kind. How unfair he lost his daughter! And I like Miguel so much better now that he is no longer possessive of and jealous around Luci. I sense a real "family" in the making.
So, I thought Adolfo was making room for Luci in the all purpose room. But then Miguel was sitting behind the desk (?) All that room yet all the activity occurs in a dilapidated, too small room...
"She gave him the check that Adolfo gave her". Luci continues to be kind hearted, even though her own heart has been shattered.
I will say again that nothing that can occur could possibly make me root for or accept David and Luci reuniting.
Urban, this was excellent. Thank you again for your generous time!
The next minute she is high fiveing MomSuccubus about her great 'win' like this is a basketball game. You want to say her anvil can't be too big, but really what she needs is an unending rain of smaller anvils to torment her the rest of her days and remove what little sanity she now seems to have.
I don't even feel sorry for Dud. He retired and left Luc running the show, and she has left and he is still not back on the job. This leaves Ram, Tan, and Sue scratching their heads about how to share her work. Ummmm, hello folks, the dumb is spreading. Ever think of suggesting to Dumbo that we need a replacement?
Drive out the one crucial employee without a replacement waiting in the wings? No contingency plan? Let the brain trust move next door to the vineyard which used to be the competition? USED, to be, because your dumbass aint in the running anymore. Boob N'Fur are gonna be pretty impressed with Dum N'Come when the house is in foreclosure and Daddy can't sleep at night worrying about bills. Instead of a trip to a trendy restaurant and a movie with a side trip to the Video Game store and Victoria's Secret, you will be going to Goodwill. Luuuurrrrvvve that Tia.Kids.
My neighbor's 12 year old is a better manager. Thankfully he is not bedding DisGrace, maybe that is why. This whole Stepford Faaaaaammmmiiiilllllyyyy is going to have a lot of egg on their faces. Every one of them. I hope somebody has told the chickens to kick it, we are gonna need a LOT of eggs.
I don't have children, yet between a 12 plus hour daily work/commute and everyday living, I don't get to sit down and leisurely watch movies every night. I seriously doubt working parents can indulge in that either.
Yet, Graciela does "pass the popcorn" well. Even though you know when she pretends to be watching, the wheels in her cunning little brain are feverishly plotting her next move.
"Ever think of suggesting to Dumbo that we need a replacement?" said it all Kirby. As you noted, David STILL doesn't realize how crucial Luciana has been to his success and how her loss will certainly lead to his vineyard's downfall.
It is amazing what some sleeves did for Miggs. He looks and acts like a grownup now. Wow he fell in shit and walked out smelling like a rose didn't he? In a few short weeks woos the dying chick, she leaves him half of a vineyard, and look at him now. Adolfo needed to contest the will.
Cougar Sonia & Leon the Cub need steamy sex scenes!
Luci should have left long ago. Now she finally did, and the remaining THREE KEY Employees are left to decide how to cope? Maybe "Um...Boss...YOU got a litttle problem YOU and DisGums need to look at.
Mind you in every one of the many calamities befallen the LA Vines there was a frantic search for Luci to "figure out" a solution. Everything which took at least three brain cells, she did it. Acid in the wine, pesticide poisoning, water shortage,laying pipe (he he), larva plague, wine competition, scheduling, finances, cost containment, condom machine in the men's room empty, she worked 24/7 keeping that place afloat, barely.
DisGrace doesn't think about these things. She somehow seems to think that money grows on trees. It's a shame we didn't see what her childhood was like. They couldn't have been truly poor but I doubt that they lived in luxury. She relies too much on her beauty and doesn't realize that this is something she won't have forever. What brain cells she has are solely devoted to manipulating other people.
People for whom she cannot have any respect.
"How men can't resist a woman's tears"
Hahahaha, they can't!
Until Cesar pointed out Friday it never occurred to David that Luciana was flesh and bone with emotions and may be in pain. Yet, he is sensitive to Graciela's discomfort immediately banishing Luciana from the house and this after she saw and smelled what went on the night before. David is a spoiled boy taking, breaking and discarding.
Hope David finds out how Lisa got that nasty bump on her head after he marries Graciela.
I still don't like Miguel and do not want Luciana to carry his water any more than she should David's. Luciana is an independent individual and shouldn't take a demotion to be their little woman, ring or not. I know it impressed Luciana when she found out Miguel is an owner but hope she doesn't make his dream come true.
Makes me happy Luciana kept her self respect in reserve and bounced. Finally.
I find it really creepy, though Dave doesn't, his gf and daughter discuss his relationship in so much detail. Hope the girl talk has a limit.
I so hate that Luci still pines for David after this. Regardless of the big reveal I hope she moves on to someone new....Miguel is too whiny.
Bobby is not as fragile as his age would imply. He has been getting a lot of support from David and others. He has good and loyal friends. He has a good instinct about his father not being as happy as he should be. He is almost the healthiest character in this story.
We have seen writers do worse in the past with regard to children. The villana of PEAM put her own daughter at serious risk more than once and the children in LQLVMR were locked in dog cages and left in a field by the villain to possibly die in a nasty explosion that would also kill at least one of their fathers. Not to mention the verbal abuse in other series.
I wish DudVeed had been added to the list of characters needing a Karmageddon and a good sized anvil. His treatment of Luci has, throughout, been condescending, arrogant, selfish, and lacking in love, companionship and support (not that Luci was all warm and fuzzy herself).
He should have recognized from the very beginning he was dealing with a very young girl, book smart, but lacking experience with men (or boys). She was full of spunk and high spirits who had a crush on him, although technically paired off with her childhood friend and confidant. One kiss and she fell for him. With that one kiss, he strung her along for the better part of 126 episodes. He killed all that was good in her by messing with her head (i.e. "we can't be together right now, but wait around and we'll see what happens") and taking her to bed with no follow-up. This is no galan. He needs an anvil.
After keeping Gracie away from him physically and emotionally with great resolve, and even disgust, he collapsed and fell into her bucket of slime, based on Faaaaamily Togetherness--which seems to consist of popcorn and a DVD of Boobee's choice.
How dare he formalize his relationship with DisGracefulness, giving him permission to fornicate like a dog smelling a bitch in heat for the good of the Faaaaamily and turn around and tell Luci he doesn't want her to leave the Vineyard. What does he want her for? Not for traditional Faaaamily values, certainly.
He may not be in Luuuurrvvee with DisGrace, but his tail was sure wagging the other night. WOOF.
Kirby--Keeping that condom machine filled was at the top of her to-do list, I'm sure.
About DisGraceful--Regardless of her background, what we see is what we get. What SHE does not realize, is that there is something in this country called DIVORCE, were her transgressions revealed to David. On that she's not thinking ahead. Although tears and banshee ripping out of hair might detain him. My advice would be to settle back with a bowl of *buttered* popcorn and watch the show without getting involved. Can't wait to see what he does when Gut cuffs her and hauls her off to jail. Unless, of course someone else gets to her first (Mommy?) and ROCKS her in the noggin.
Nobody likes to realize that they've been foolish, stupid, blind, and monumentally manipulated which is what he will have to face. He will also have to comfort his children which will not be easy because their pain will be just as great.
This is never addressed in telenovelas, but the nuclear families that we see so often are like David's: He's an only child with no siblings, no cousins, and no living parents. He's also a widower and the mother and sister of his deceased wife will shortly be unmasked for the greedy bitches they are. That is a kind of isolation that many if not most people dread. Living in the middle of a vineyard makes that feel even worse. David has Cesar as a best friend, but if he makes the mistake of marrying DisGrace she will try to isolate him from Cesar.
More later. I need to finish #127 and post it. It will be quick and dirty, not like #1126.
Maybe all three of those.
Furbrain: Dad, I don't think you're satisfying Tia the way she needs. She gave up everything to be here and have you servicing her every six hours. I don't want her to leave. Maybe Dr. Anderson can get you some Viagra.
Booby: Yah, Dad. When I came in the room and saw you two in bed, you were sleeping! That's not what Moms and Dads are supposed to do in bed, is it?
Furbrain: Dad, I think me and Booby need to watch next time to make sure you take care of Tia the way she deserves. Now go in there and tell her. We're not going to watch another movie with you until we can be sure.
THIS makes as much sense as the BULLSHIT they served us last night!
Vino el Amor? Vino el Psychopath! This is the story of how an underachieving, spoiled, entitled idiot subjected himself and his family to emotional deconstruction by the same person who killed his wife, his much better half and obvious brains of the vineyard empire. Because of his stupidity, insensitivity to his wife's clear understanding of her sister's intentions and yes, LUST, he refused to banish suckyabush - YES, I said it -- and her momma from his life and he deserves everything he gets. I also hope he is married as well when he finds out what DisGravedigger did.
What's more disgusting than all of that? That Luci will happily run back to that imploded mess with all three of those idiots clinging to each other, wailing and quivering in the drapery-drawn big house and begin picking up the pieces.
Some of us have wondered where our old friends are that used to hang out on the Caray Patio. Maybe they were sickened by the kind of swill they feed us here. I appreciate y'all. I couldn't watch this without you. It sickens me, yet I cannot look away.
Muchisimas Gracias, Urban!
Amen, Anita! I feel you! Well said. David IS a villain in this and I'm going to enjoy the anvil he gets when he finds out the TRUTH! I just hate that Luci will "take him back." I say that in quotes because she never really had him! Worse "galan" EVA! The only thing he could do worse is "allow" Disgusting to kill Luci or the kids!
I used to have a plaque with these words in it : "Everyone needs someone to love, something to do, and something to hope for. " For Grace, the answer to all three of those points is Dave !
Dave, I hate you more and more with each episode. Letting FErn run your love life is so pathetic. I do not want LU to end up with you.
See LU. See LU run. Run, LU, run. Get away from Dysfunctional Dave and those two harpies. Geez.
In a sense, the character was isolated in- and out-of-show and kept in this pit of despair without a clear light at the end...except for the, what, four episodes where David and Luciana were actually a couple?
DisGraveDigger is good.
Maybe DisGraveDweller too.
The comforting thing, is that little bitch has probably never enjoyed it a time in her life and probably never will. It is just another tool in her toolbox.
Lies, murder, victimhood, gaslighting, sex, theft, fake tears,
Like "hammer, drill, pliers, vise grips, level, electrical tape,....wasp spray.........Check...let's get to work."
Dave is a dog in so, so many ways. I would not want him. However, I would take Miguel despite the way many here dislike him. I think that he is a good guy and a handsome guy. Maybe it's because he looks a little like my dad , a very good-looking man who loved the land. Plus , ADolfo would make a great , loving adopted father-in-law. Toneach his own. As for DAve...Nunca Jamaica for me.
"León, maybe you should tell Sonia?" Yes, there might be legal issues around submitting a manuscript without the author's permission.
Did anyone else notice that both David and Juan (and possibly Miguel) were wearing similar shirts? Like there was a sale at the shirt store in Sonoma that day.
“How odd,” said Lillian. “Grace always makes breakfast at this hour." --and yet, breakfast was made. It's a miracle!
When David was advised to do something to show Grace how important she was to him, I thought he should get her a super-ugly bracelet.
I should think it would be exhausting to be as fake as DisGrace is. But she is good. She pretty much had the kids plotting against their own father.
I was thinking about something Lil said Friday night - that Grace accomplished (with the kids) in a very short time what Marta couldn't do in years. It is true. By pretty much forcing the kids on David constantly, she brought the family together. Marta never did that.
I'm glad Luci got out before Grace made David fire her, but it's not unreasonable to tell one's employee not to visit the house. There was some discussion of Luci working at SB but continuing to live at LA - that was very odd.
Susanlynn, I've criticized Miguel but I don't mind him at all. I'm glad they haven't had him trying to re-mack on Luci. That would be tacky given that Erica just died but these writers seem to love tacky more than tact.
"Methinks he is looking to replace Erika"
Reading made me mad all over again.
You know,we might be masochists because we have been watching for weeks as LIlian, Juan, and Grace cast their evil spells over Dave and his kids . I watch these shows to escape harsh reality ...And the nightly news. However,now the telenovelas are starting to stress me out. I hope this type of show with characters with no redeeming qualities has not become the trend. I liked telenovelas because the line between good and evil used to be distinct, and in the end, bad was punished and good was rewarded which is not always the case in real life. Now......
Regarding David, I would be happy if he dumped DG BEFORE finding out she killed Lisa. It might be too much to hope, but I would like it.
Susanlynn - the "She doesn't have what I have" line - I thought the same thing. A mind control parasite? A zombie curse? A pointy rock?
I have a lot of ADD, but just following from one super-short scene to the next had me maxed out. But tonight I have more of a conflict because Prison Break is on too. Also an X-Files rerun, which shouldn't tempt me, but it always does.
Lila, stop making me LOL with your alternative dialog for the kids. (No, don't stop!)
I still haven't read 127 yet. Later...
However, keep in mind that it was loosely based on Marta's story.
Bill, you are right. David got it from all angles and there was no relief in sight. Worse than Rogelio in LQNPA and he was in a wheelchair. But he was played by Jorge Salinas...
If Luciana and David do reunite it better be after a year from DisGrace's fall.
Ditto Lila! Gracias.
Urban, my head tells me you are absolutely right.
My heart tells me otherwise...
I don't think David is a bad man. Life has not been easy for him. However, just because one's own life has been devastated, should not give you the power to inflict the same on others. Luci was a young, impressionable girl. He gave her little. All in all, his treatment of Luci has been fairly unforgiveable. However, as I always say, if the hurt/wronged party can forgive, who am I not to as well?
That does not mean I will be celebrating (if indeed they do reunite). I will be resigned. Period.
I also saw several elephants in various stages of trunk raising.
Some interesting bric-a-brac.
I am not sure about the pillows on the laps, but I do find it more comfortable and better for my posture if I can rest my arms on a pillow instead of in my lap. I don't know if that's why she was doing it, though. Maybe it's to keep the hem of her skirt from riding up.
"Susan foolishly tried to persuade Luciana not to make a hasty decision" - a strange change of mind, considering on Friday she seemed to think that Luci needed to get away. At any rate, hasty decisions are Luci's specialty.
Funny that it's Adolfo, not Miguel, who is looking to replace Erika. Luci and Mig finally seemed to be on the same (platonic) page last night. At least I hope so.
However, at the beginning of this episode or the other one when Luci was explaining a sales strategy to Adolfo and Miguel, I thought that was going WAY too far in "helping" a competing vineyard. So it's really for the best that she's working there for real!
That poor multipurpose room. Until recently I wasn't even sure Adolfo's vineyard had an outdoor component. I thought some day the camera would pull back to reveal grapevines growing in pots in the parts of the room we hadn't seen before.
Cool, Diana - now I need to look for the elephants!
Urban, another insightful summary. I particularly enjoyed "[Which shows that Gracie has sucked out his IQ points to barely survival levels]" and "[Methinks he is looking to replace Erika]" were excellent.
“Susan wasn't sure how they were going to make up the deficit of work”. She certainly has cause for concern because of course Luci was not only the heart of the operations, but the soul as well.
"Adolfo said to her “Don't just think of this as your job; think of this as your home.” Can I just please say (again) how much I love this man??
I found myself trying to see what the title of Lili's red book was, but the camera did not comply. Has she given up on trying to cultivate her Boston accent? Apparently so.
I'm starting to see why Juan and Mark were friends. Juan's clearly visible primal fear is showing him to be capable of being every bit the abuser as Mark was. He likely had the same instincts as Mark but was much better at controlling them. Until now.
Bill, I fear this is the end of the line for Carito. I've felt all along it would be she rather than Perla who doesn't survive. We will have to wait and see.
Thanks again Urban.
California wine has often been perceived as inferior to European imports and this perception needs to go where it deserves to. According to this chart the US is #4 in the world. I'm surprised we don't produce more, in fact.
[What's with the pillow on her lap? I get the ones on the kids']
It's a defensive move to keep from showing one's fanny in the little triangle between the thighs when one is wearing a "dress" that is more like a tight camisole. I've noticed lots of the actresses doing it.
David wished happiness for Luciana and she told him she hoped he would never regret this. She walked away from him. He called her name and she paused for a moment. Then she continued walking without looking back.
I was yelling at Luci through the tv, "DON'T STOP!!! DON'T LOOK BACK!"
Juan then said there was too much money at stake and if she continued to refuse he would treat her as Mark did. [If that isn't enough to make her cut and run she is a bigger idiot than we all thought.]
Thanks for confirming that! I took it as, ". .you're going to end up like Mark!" WTF! Perla can't be THAT stupid! He just threatened her life! And what proof do we have that it was skidMark that killed Coyote? Juan's a killer and Perla is an animated corpse!!
More of the same from David and Fernanda which ended with her telling him that she didn't want to leave before knowing that he was taken care of.*
*See the REAL conversation Furbrain and Booby had with DUMB-veed in my comment at 10:11.
Adolfo and Erica helped David when he needed it. Then, everything fell apart for Adolfo.
Agree that competition is fine in the proper forum - trying to obtain restaurant endorsements, the "real" wine competition, etc. Competition can be healthy and can spark creativity.
However, David and Adolfo are neighbors (if not friends). Supporting each other in times of tragedy and grief (personal and professional) is simply the right thing to do. By helping and making others better, we are challenged to raise the bar ourselves.
I applauded Luci for helping so unselfishly. However, as Julie sagely noted above, it is probably better that Luci is actually now working for them. Their advantage, David's loss.
How about this one? She can get a "bead" for everyone she gaslights or kills.
I should think it would be exhausting to be as fake as DisGrace is. But she is good. She pretty much had the kids plotting against their own father.
I have often said that to pretend to be stupid and helpless to attract a man would carry the punishment of one of two burdens:
1. It becomes a straitjacket you have to break out of.... only to be outed as a liar
2. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy
There is no winning with this.
Many women who marry abusive men could probably say later that he went from Jekyll to Hyde after the ceremony or the honeymoon. Gracie would be like this. Notice how she rolls her eyes or looks vacant when she is not eye to eye with either David or his kids.
The Monkeys--I think they were also in MEPS, on the dumb daddy's desk. But then again, I could be wrong, there were a lot of men, dumb and otherwise, and desks in the tns I've watched.
Who could have guessed after our first look at Adolfo (and the unfortunate name association) that he would turn out to be the best "Gem" and substitute father. I had my doubts, though, when he started romancing Lil, but I forgive him now. He wanted someone approximately his own age to be a companion, to travel, etc. and leave the vineyard business to Erika after she returned. He didn't deserve to have his only child die--no matter how close he and Miggy got. Lil or Marta were the only candidates on the horizon. He just didn't look far enough from his vineyard look-out tower where he met folks until the Multi-Purpose Room was ready.
I certainly hope Miggy has disinfected the couch before Luci moves in. Yeah, I thought it was odd he'd be clearing of shelves to make room for Luci--what is she going to put there, bric-a-brac or report folders?
We must not forget that California vines saved Europe's vineyards many decades back. Any wine we get from Europe likely has California roots. It must be the water or the bugs!
If you want to know more than you need to know, read this essay. The climactic solution to the plague comes near the end.
I first heard of New York's Wine Week when I dined in a participating restaurant at lunch with an ad sales rep. There were four pieces of stemware at each place setting and all the wine was free. My boss and I had a blast.
How unfortunate his only shortcoming is "He just didn't look far enough from his vineyard look-out tower where he met folks until the Multi-Purpose Room was ready". :)
Erica's passing seems truly to have left him alone. I don't believe everyone needs to be paired up, but in his case, I wish him someone wonderful.
Very creepy, indeed, Urban. If Dave could put in some closed circuit cameras and observe DG's movements, conversations with Lil and interactions with the faaaammmmily, he'd be freaked out and have critter control remove that feral heffa in a heartbeat! Too bad he'll look back with 20/20 rear view vision and finally see the psychotic puppet mistress she really is.
Anybody else notice David scratching his beard a lot lately, especially on the left side. I think he must have beard cooties. No wonder IB doesn't want to kiss him!
I didn't object to Luciana helping Adolfo in general - I just thought the sales plan was going too far because it assists SB in competing with LA.
Anita, thanks for figuring out where I must have seen the wise monkeys.
On the newly emptied shelf, Luci can put her bandana wristlet collection. Or she can do like me and put her Happy Meal toys there.
Some kinds of grapes grow only in certain regions. Aside from that, however, regional snobbery about wine strikes me as extremely silly. I doubt that most wine drinkers have a sensitive enough palate to tell the difference.
I think GS was chosen for this role for his ability not to smile. Of course there has been little to smile or laugh about in this "fakata" of a "trainwreck," so it was easy coasting for him.
Lila, maybe he's just tired of the beard. At the Premios, he was clean shaven. I noticed he didn't seem too relaxed when the "queens" made him get up and dance. I think GS is just an uptight guy. What a difference from his role in Refugio and La Verdad Oculta. I wonder if he has reflected on how his image changed over the course of Vino. I would love to hear his take on the role. I do miss the apres final Cristina Show with the cast. She was a marvelous interviewer.
Where did he get this idea? At age 10 Luci was either in school or playing hide and seek with Miguel and irritating the hell out of Lilian. We never saw her working at her father's side. Luci's love for her father and reverence for the cultivation of grapes at the vineyard where her father was the capitaz came from longing to be with family and childhood friends. I seem to recall when she first showed up with the box of ashes, it was not her intention to stay. Miguel and David persuaded her to accept a position with L.A.
It's hard, after 10 more years to recapture the life you left as a child, no matter how well prepared you are for a career. As I recall, also, her degree and background was in agronomy, generally, not oenology specifically. I guess she was lucky to have her father's notebooks in that little back pack she arrived with.
David is still a dunce.
One of the reasons we all feel this way is that most of the scenes where David and Luci have been together, they've been arguing, spitting insults, criticizing each other for various faults or failures in the other, work or personal, jealousy and staying apart until he can fix things with his Faaaamily.
We've had too few scenes to show they really care for each other and will work together to overcome the barriers to their happiness and/or success or the vineyard. That's what we needed to believe in them. They don't have to be kissing or making love for us to believe they are a couple. This "we love each other and we are each other's own true love" hasn't been in evidence. What we get is a negation of that declaration as Dudveed lets her down, one more time. And we certainly didn't need palm-melds as a substitute for their togetherness.
I was fooled by that first kiss on the patio, which I recapped. I was sure this was going to be the beginning of a beautiful romance, her confusion over Miggy's approach to love and the feelings she got from David's first kiss. I was staking my reputation as a recapper on that first kiss. Wow, how wrong I was. This has degenerated into not caring whether they are together or not at the end. How sad.
Maybe Adolfo has a long-lost son that he forgot about, who will come back to the vineyard and marry Luciana. That would be ridiculous, but still preferable to having her go back to Duh.
And I am very sad that David became such a Duh. For the longest time I thought I saw little flashes of galan potential in him, here and there, but now I believe that was only an optical illusion.
He should have recognized from the very beginning he was dealing with a very young girl, book smart, but lacking experience with men (or boys). She was full of spunk and high spirits who had a crush on him, although technically paired off with her childhood friend and confidant. One kiss and she fell for him. With that one kiss, he strung her along for the better part of 126 episodes. He killed all that was good in her by messing with her head (i.e. "we can't be together right now, but wait around and we'll see what happens") and taking her to bed with no follow-up.
This is what gives me the feeling that Luci has fallen into a trap that parents worry about when their kids first go off on their own. Her "relationship" with David feels like something she should be ashamed of and that would pain Marcos if he could see it. It really feels like that old (I'm sure out-moded) concept of a "fallen woman."
I could get over this feeling if they'd shown us Luci and Dave were a strong couple, despite the age and class and ethnic (?) difference but I agree with you but we had NOTHING to go on:
We've had too few scenes to show they really care for each other and will work together to overcome the barriers to their happiness and/or success or the vineyard. That's what we needed to believe in them.
It was bait and switch, Anita. It wasn't a love story at all. It's a story about how a parasitic narcissist and her psychotic daughter stalked, home invaded and destroyed a family! Your reputation as a Recapper is sterling as is your prose and sage observations!
I have a rant about Martha. I'll put it in a different comment.
Their foundation of bickering and jealousy quickly crumbled. There was no sharing of their dreams, or aspirations. It should not be surprising that the fiery passion we hoped to see never materialized. Never have the kisses been so stingy. We never once felt that these two shared the desire to stay together, despite whatever obstacles are thrown in their path.
That first kiss led to much anticipation - we all felt it. To be disappointed is one thing, but to be indifferent to how this ends is indeed very sad.
As for wine, I cannot drink it because it just makes me sleepy and flushed. Years ago, two other teachers and I went for lunch at the home of a very classy French student. First, she was ticked because nobody wanted a cocktail .(we all had kids we had to get off the bus in a few hours.) Then, at LUNCH , she had a small and large wine glass at each place. I held up the smaller glass , and she told me it was the wrong glass for the the white wine I asked for. She had several courses , including a leg of lamb and a flan..for lunch! I may buy a bottle of wine to celebrate this finale.
I hadn't read this before I made my own similar comment earlier today. I guess the writers and directors are getting one thing right--WE are all thinking the same thing about their characters. The big question is do they know it or are they sitting with the Three Monkeys in Juan's apartment, completely clueless as to the effect their characters are having on us?
Yes, your comment today struck me because I felt the same thing. I don't know what these writers are thinking or smoking! I don't know what influences them when they put these stories together. I don't know if these "love" stories reflect their own lives or how they think love is expressed these days, I don't know. This is just one in a string of novelas that have infuriated and frustrated me with this bait and switch and keeping the lovers apart in what is supposed to be a story about deep, abiding love. Not only is the anger and frustration there, but like many others of you, I will relish the revelation of what should be something we all dread being inflicted upon the galan. They've killed these "lovers" for me.
Hopefully, your school board meeting won't last too long :)
Also, I am glad Luci is smiling again. I would too if I were in Adolfo'ss company.
Pasion y Poder
Corona de Lagrimas
One of the female writers worked on LQNPA so we know where the irrigation scheme came from. The other worked on Teresa.
Are Televisa and other networks getting e-mails from viewers saying that romance is passe or that love doesn't really exist? I have known a few people who actually believe this.
I think that the writing on thus show has been terrible..and perhaps the directing. What message are we supposed to be getting?
Usually viewers want the leads to be together at the finale, but I do not want that. It is going to feel very weird if David and Lu end up together. I can't relate to either of them and wouldn't want to be them.
Urban, even if they were being told by viewers that romance is passe, a reasonable person would interpret that to mean that they need more variety in the things they produce. I would be okay with that. I'd hate to think it would be construed to mean that nobody wants to see traditional TNs any more. And it should extra-certainly not be construed to mean that it's okay to produce something that looks like a traditional TN, but is actually a cynical pile of potato-peelings.
Susanlynn, I never got a tiny Barbie. I don't get a lot of Happy Meals, but sometimes they are just what I need. I still have what appears to be an albino Smurf that I got a few years ago. I don't know what his story is. I got a Powerpuff Girl not too long ago, and she's HUGE. Years ago, I had a blue Power Ranger, but I lost him in a car wreck.
Right now I'm angry enough with the writers to say that the right ending would be for Luciana to save David's arse one more time -- this time from the Succubus -- and then say to him afterwards:
"You know, David, you're not strong enough or smart enough to be the man I want to spend the rest of my life with. I need someone who can see through a shallow, viscious user like Graciela and a lazy, greedy one like Lillian. Someone who doesn't let his bratty daughter dictate his love life. That's the man who can defend his true love. You didn't make the cut in the end."
...and walk away for the last time. Cesar will overhear this, pick up two shot glasses and the tequila bottle, and direct David back to the study.
And how on earth would anyone think that Lillian could make any argument about "scandal" when people living together WBC (without benefit of clergy) has not been a scandal for at least three decades?
My Marta rant: Did you see what she chose to say when Luciana told her how hard it is to see DUDveed with DisGameplayer. "Yes, it's so hard to see someone you love with someone else!" Obviously, she wasn't talking about Marcos! She was talking about seeing FERNAAAAAHNDO with HIS WIFE, Lilian! Is that how y'all took that? What a low down skank to say that to her daughter, to Marcos' daughter! I have negative zippo respect for this. . .person. Uuuuf! I bet Ramon is so much of a gentleman, he's not even going to try to go down that well-traveled road until he marries her! She doesn't deserve him!
Ok, rant over! ;D
Urban, I love your ending.
"...and suddenly the most interesting thing in this thread is an albino Smurf. (Is he a friend of Mark's?" Bill, I just belly laughed. Good thing I've worked OT and can leave now...
OK, that was a bit egotistical of me. I guess I'm giving myself too much credit.
Lila, I did wonder last night if Ramon and Marta were finally getting it on, or if she was still holding him off. I did NOT blink at what she said to Luciana, mostly because I now sorta tune out their conversations (except when recapping) because Marta never says anything I like.
UA: Karma is coming for Diva Dave & the Uppity BRATS (FerBrat & Bobby the Idiot).
Kirby: Perla & Juan cooking up another illegal immigrant smuggling scheme again ? Haven't they learned from the last time ?
Urban, regarding the succubus thing, it's possible that they intended to create a succubus character and you recognized her as such. The question is, if they were able to accurately communicate that, why couldn't they also accurately communicate... oh never mind, I'll just get mad again.
"Hey Demetriousolo, you won't believe what I wrote into the episode for that Abortion Vino personnel screwed me with."
"Man those strokes on Caray will blow a gasket tomorrow. This will be fun. Be sure and read it"
The whole relationship between Juan and Perla has the highest Ick Factor in this series. She was 8 or 9 years old in the opening episode and Juan was an adult working for David. There wasn't any scenario under which she would go away for the next 14 years (like Luciana) and have her return as an adult. He saw her grow up.
That wasn't true of David and Luciana so no real Ick Factor (except for Marta, but that was only natural). However, I don't get that Miguel would be in love with her after knowing her for so long. Neither of these situations is ideal. The only way David and Luciana could be together will be after Fernanda is in college and the two succubi are gone.
This reel-in of DudVid is getting boring. The previews promise more, but it aint happenin yet. She has set the hook, reeled him in and has him on deck with a gaff in his gill. All that is left is to winch him up by the tail fin and weigh him.
How many more episodes before we see whether this is catch and release or if he is going into the ice locker?
Come ooooonnnnn, we have been going in circles so long I am past dizzy.
I've asked myself what it would take for me to be in favor of Luci going back to David, and I think the answer is "a new car." I want a self-parking sedan with a hybrid engine and 4-wheel drive. And good speakers. And a little trapdoor under the license plate that dispenses about a dozen small caltrops if I push a button on the dashboard (nowhere near any other buttons).
"Get outta here."
"Come on, just a taste, I never could catch one of those jumpin litttle shits, What's it taste like.?"
"Just like chicken, Get out a here, I'll peck your eyes out."
I just know that after Disgamey is unmasked as a stone cold killer, Luci is going to rush to comfort Dave. I so do not want to see that , but I suppose the writers will want to reward Dave for all the crap that they have heaped on him. In literature , there is something called the hero's journey in which the hero overcomes many obstacles to transform into a better man at the end of the story . think of Odysseus and his voyage to return home. I will not accept that in this show because Dave was just too oblivious and spaced out almost all the time . He kept letting Grabby grab him in front of his wife. Then, he withdrew in grief . Most of the time, he seemed almost lazy and lethargic even after Lu arrived to open the curtains literally and figuratively . Whatever happens to wind this mess up is going to be too little and too late for me. I need to see a smart, proactive, positive hero throughout the entire show no matter what troubles befall him which is what the real life, everyday heroes around us do.
I know we can't mention the previews, but if what I saw was any indication, something big might happen tonight.
Julie, a new car it is for the deigning to take David prize. Sigh.
I'll take a loaded Ford Taurus.
Modal Auxilliaries?? They wanted an extra $1100 for those on my last car,. I told them I'd pass, the one before it didn't have them and ran fine in the rain, the windows would just fog up sometimes.
We are on lap 498 of a 500 lap race and EVERYBODY is 50 laps down.
That's impossible, but so is this show.
Is just pitiful, and dumb, just a big
Sack of stupid. Everytime fer or booby
Mentions him being with Tia succubus,
He looks like he's filled his pants.
And that big fat lie he told susan"yes
I'm happy with the succubus". Luciana is happy cuz she's out of the cesspool
That is Santa Barbara wines Inc.
I guess feranada is blinded. She and
Boob boy are so encredibly selfish.And
Booby is a child but he's a selfish little snot. They need to brake him outta that. That won't happen.
So the succubus has won. Momentarily. The Fall for grace,from grace will be hard. She better enjoy her victories,
They won't last. Poor stupid David. He
Can't help it, he's had alot of stuff
To shoulder. But some of the stuff he could have nipped in the bud but he decided to walk around looking like a sausage face.
If I didn't think that D&L would end up together in the end, I'd love to see Lucy and Miguel together. Adolfo is such a sweet man and he would love
For lucy and the mig to give him grand
Wine babies. Ok its on. Bye!
Thank you Urban.
Hes frustrating to no end with his Ol
Sratchy beard. Think sausage with a beard, Lol. Ok I'm tired I need to go to bed. Good nite yall.
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