Thursday, December 21, 2017
Caer en Tentacion #43, 12/20/17: I'll Be Keeping an Eye on You
Who do we know could have said this....
En el pasado
Damian is finishing his lunch with his children and giving them a cock 'n bull story about how he and Raq are going to solve their problems--alone. Mia objects that they should be included as they are a family and have their own problems that need to be addressed. Loudly she says everyone treats her as though she is crazy, but she's not. Dam makes her sit down and stay until they are done so as not to cause a scandal.
Juan's mother, Luisa, shows up at the Alvarado house. She begs Caro not to report Juan to the police. She promises to get Juan psychological help. She tells them that his father beat him. Caro tells her to make sure Juan stays away from Lola or she will go to the police.
Miriam shows up in Dam's office, eager to get him out of the hotel (and unstated, back to her waiting arms and home). He announces he's not going to separate from Raq. Miriam is none to happy to hear that and more when he refuses to discuss his personal affairs with her. She tells him she's not going to let him ruin his life with a fling that's gotten out of hand.
Raq is at the catering office. Andres shows up. He hints that he likes one of the girls working there. Since he can't have Raquel, he must look elsewhere. She tells him to stop sniffing around her office. He comes out and says that whenever he sees her, all desire for anyone else disappears. She's disgusted with him and tells him to leave. He hints about all the stuff that goes on in this place.
Santi arrives home with a bouquet of flowers for Caro. Lola tells him Caro's cramps were her fault. Meanwhile, Dam is on the phone with Caro. He says he did what she asked him to do--he's back with Raquel just so he can keep seeing her on the sly. That's not what Caro had in mind. She hangs up before Santi comes in. She accepts the flowers. She says she's fine and is no longer confined to bed rest. She didn't tell him about Lola and Juan and going to the director of the school because she knows how he gets--crazy, which is exactly what he does. She assures him it's all settled (never mentioning the physical assault) and Lola won't be seeing Juan any more. (I think she's taking Nacho's words of advice to be nice to Santi.) They snuggle in bed for the rest of the day.
At the Beckers' dinner is a silent affair. At the Alvarados' everyone in happily interacting and enjoying preparing a family meal.
Epoca Actual
Three years later, the three Beckers are still eating in silence. The remaining Alvarados are now pensively silent.
Raquel is at the hospital telling a comatose Damian that now she knows that it was Caro who wouldn't let Dam separate from her. Now the same thing is happening to her, but she doesn't want to do it the way he did it. She doesn't want to hurt her children. She turns and sees Santi waiting for her, gazing at her longingly.
The kids have a group conversation with the phone on speaker. Of course, Mia's complaints and accusations are the loudest. Mia tells them they can do whatever they like, but she and Fede aren't going to let Raq and Santi be together. She hangs up on Nico and Lola, who were beginning to understand they shouldn't be interfering in Santi's love life.
Santi has taken Raq home. They commiserate over their children's lack of support for their relationship. They do not want to hurt their children. Raq says there's not much else to say and starts to get out of the car. Santi grabs her back and a desperate kiss is exchanged. Santi tells Raq he loves her and she says she loves him, too. (First time they both use "amar" instead of "querer," which has a deeper meaning in Spanish.) More kissing. Raquel finally indicates that this is all they have, this is who they are. Santi asks her not to make it so difficult. He loves her, he needs her, he wants to be with her. She answers that she's his and is with him, but there is too much that separates them. She kisses him goodbye and gets out of the car.
Mia stridently finishes telling Fede off and says she doesn't want Santi and their mother together because look what happened to Dam and Caro and it's all her mother's fault. When Fede wants to know how she can blame their mother, Mia's upside down logic tells her that if Raq had discovered the affair, none of this would have happened and now it's happening between her and Santi and it's worse because Dam is dying. Fede gives up. His parting advice is for her to stop messing in other people's lives and think about her own. Mia insists she's not going to let Santi and Raq be together. She's going to separate them, alone if necessary. Her look of determination is scary.
Lola and Nico are also tying up loose ends of the prior convo. They both think the relationship is wrong and Santi and Raquel will end up hurting each other. Lola brings Alina into the conversation. He really has no answer as to how he feels about Lola or Alina.
Mia sees Raq arrive home. She grills Raq about where she's been until Raq finally says nothing is going to happen between her and Santi. Mia then calls Nico. He doesn't answer. Mia leaves a message to the effect that he can't play with her, not after what happened between them. (I think she means some sex.) She tells him he's cruel but she can be worse and swears it. Her look of determination is scary.
Santi arrives home. He tells his kids there is no relationship with Raquel. They can relax. It's over. That's what they wanted isn't it? It ended before it could begin.
Laura is "examining" Juan's naked selfie on her phone when Fernando arrives home. They argue about, what else, the lack of information he can give her on the Carolina case. Then she "happens" to bring up the sister of Raquel Cohen, one Cinthia. He says she has nothing to do with the case. Laura says she checked his phone and saw all those messages from her. He's furious and tit for tat, he grabs her phone and sees Juan all splayed out.
At night in their bedrooms, Raq and Santi are alone, together, but apart. Santi has Benji, but Raq only has the ghost of Damian past staring down at her.
Rueda and Andres have a little confab over money (or the half that's going to go in Rueda's pocket) and Nacho. What they have on him is weak and Rueda doesn't think it's enough to divert suspicion from Andres if Nacho goes free. Andres protests he didn't do it. He asks Rueda if a check is ok.
Next day, Santi tells Lola he feels guilty that she has become Benji's stand-in mother when she is his sister, but proud of her, too, for taking over all the household tasks and still stay in school. She says she's happy to do it.
Raquel meets with the foundation doctor. She confides in him regarding Mia--her obsession with her every movement. Raq thinks she, herself is the one who needs therapy--she's fallen in love with Santiago. He knows who she's talking about. Doc thinks love doesn't listen to reason or logic and she has every right. Raq isn't asking permission, she's wondering about the sanity of being with her husband's lover's husband and her kids not taking it well. Doc counsels her that the kids are thinking more of themselves than of her, but perhaps they are the ones who are pushing her to form a new relationship. (Sorry, I just didn't follow HIS logic.) He adds that she should think of herself, she's suffered enough.
Cin sets up the apartment to video tape Rafael for Fernando. Regrettably, he says nothing compromising. She tries to get him to talk about getting her more drugs to sell, then about the watches and cufflinks she stole from Raq.
Now we know what Rafa asked Bebo to sell. The buyer won't give him much because they are engraved. Bebo is getting nervous, but no go, not even when he mentions Rafa's name.
Santi goes to see Alina. She can't let him see Nacho. She tells him not to trust the police, even Antonio. He should only trust her.
Nico is alone in Alina's office looking for some documents for her. Ex-Sammy comes in and takes a threatening stance, but just looks at him and tells him to ask Alina if she remembers Sammy. (Uh oh).
Raq arrives at the Legato offices and sees Azucena. She wants to discuss how they lost one of their big pasta clients. Azzie says Andres was handling the account and she can imagine how that went. Raq sees Andres and tells him she's taking over the canceled contract--if he doesn't mind.
En el pasado
Damian returns to the house in the morning. He wants a new beginning. He wants to help Raquel. He'd like to go to the catering offices with her.
Caro is all aglow in the morning. Santi is buzzing around happily. He wants a new beginning. They decide to go to the catering office together.
The two couples meet there. Raq is gushing about having all four together again and needing Caro at the offices. She tells Caro the gossip about Ariana, Caro's assistant, who is actually going with Andres, when she thought they were talking about Dam. They share coffee and seem to be having a good time. Santi has to leave to go to work--Gabriela's last stand--and Raq asks for a ride to the Foundation, nearby. Dam offers to take Caro home when she's ready.
In the car, Santi tells Raq he's glad Dam's back. She thinks it's all very odd, because he never said why he left. Santi opines that sometimes one of the pair needs some time and space away. Raq wonders if that applies to him, too. She asks if he's ever left his house. He says no, but he kinda thought about it. He didn't because he was afraid to; he didn't want to hurt Caro. Raq says she wishes Dam would have thought the same. They agree that in a relationship there is always one who loves the other more. In her relationship, Raq says it is she; in Santi's relationship, he says it is he. They both quietly reflect.
Back at the catering office, Damian and Caro tell each other they came to the office by chance. Caro asks to be forgiven (Dam fiddles with his wedding band) for thinking he was cheating with Ariana. Dam says he's told her he has eyes for no one but her (although he plays a good game with Raq and gets sex to boot). Caro also apologizes for getting all hot under the collar about Gabriela. (Honey, now can you see why you can't trust a cheater? He might cheat on you. Maybe Dam is telling you the truth, but can you ever erase that doubt?) She's surprised he really did go back to Raq just so he could go on seeing her. Dam says he's nothing without her. They end up in a clutch and he eats her mouth. He begs her to go away with him, NOW. She says she can't. He needs her. Santi is watching her more closely now.
And That's All for now Folks.
En el pasado
Damian is finishing his lunch with his children and giving them a cock 'n bull story about how he and Raq are going to solve their problems--alone. Mia objects that they should be included as they are a family and have their own problems that need to be addressed. Loudly she says everyone treats her as though she is crazy, but she's not. Dam makes her sit down and stay until they are done so as not to cause a scandal.
Juan's mother, Luisa, shows up at the Alvarado house. She begs Caro not to report Juan to the police. She promises to get Juan psychological help. She tells them that his father beat him. Caro tells her to make sure Juan stays away from Lola or she will go to the police.
Miriam shows up in Dam's office, eager to get him out of the hotel (and unstated, back to her waiting arms and home). He announces he's not going to separate from Raq. Miriam is none to happy to hear that and more when he refuses to discuss his personal affairs with her. She tells him she's not going to let him ruin his life with a fling that's gotten out of hand.
Raq is at the catering office. Andres shows up. He hints that he likes one of the girls working there. Since he can't have Raquel, he must look elsewhere. She tells him to stop sniffing around her office. He comes out and says that whenever he sees her, all desire for anyone else disappears. She's disgusted with him and tells him to leave. He hints about all the stuff that goes on in this place.
Santi arrives home with a bouquet of flowers for Caro. Lola tells him Caro's cramps were her fault. Meanwhile, Dam is on the phone with Caro. He says he did what she asked him to do--he's back with Raquel just so he can keep seeing her on the sly. That's not what Caro had in mind. She hangs up before Santi comes in. She accepts the flowers. She says she's fine and is no longer confined to bed rest. She didn't tell him about Lola and Juan and going to the director of the school because she knows how he gets--crazy, which is exactly what he does. She assures him it's all settled (never mentioning the physical assault) and Lola won't be seeing Juan any more. (I think she's taking Nacho's words of advice to be nice to Santi.) They snuggle in bed for the rest of the day.
At the Beckers' dinner is a silent affair. At the Alvarados' everyone in happily interacting and enjoying preparing a family meal.
Epoca Actual
Three years later, the three Beckers are still eating in silence. The remaining Alvarados are now pensively silent.
Raquel is at the hospital telling a comatose Damian that now she knows that it was Caro who wouldn't let Dam separate from her. Now the same thing is happening to her, but she doesn't want to do it the way he did it. She doesn't want to hurt her children. She turns and sees Santi waiting for her, gazing at her longingly.
The kids have a group conversation with the phone on speaker. Of course, Mia's complaints and accusations are the loudest. Mia tells them they can do whatever they like, but she and Fede aren't going to let Raq and Santi be together. She hangs up on Nico and Lola, who were beginning to understand they shouldn't be interfering in Santi's love life.
Santi has taken Raq home. They commiserate over their children's lack of support for their relationship. They do not want to hurt their children. Raq says there's not much else to say and starts to get out of the car. Santi grabs her back and a desperate kiss is exchanged. Santi tells Raq he loves her and she says she loves him, too. (First time they both use "amar" instead of "querer," which has a deeper meaning in Spanish.) More kissing. Raquel finally indicates that this is all they have, this is who they are. Santi asks her not to make it so difficult. He loves her, he needs her, he wants to be with her. She answers that she's his and is with him, but there is too much that separates them. She kisses him goodbye and gets out of the car.
Mia stridently finishes telling Fede off and says she doesn't want Santi and their mother together because look what happened to Dam and Caro and it's all her mother's fault. When Fede wants to know how she can blame their mother, Mia's upside down logic tells her that if Raq had discovered the affair, none of this would have happened and now it's happening between her and Santi and it's worse because Dam is dying. Fede gives up. His parting advice is for her to stop messing in other people's lives and think about her own. Mia insists she's not going to let Santi and Raq be together. She's going to separate them, alone if necessary. Her look of determination is scary.
Lola and Nico are also tying up loose ends of the prior convo. They both think the relationship is wrong and Santi and Raquel will end up hurting each other. Lola brings Alina into the conversation. He really has no answer as to how he feels about Lola or Alina.
Mia sees Raq arrive home. She grills Raq about where she's been until Raq finally says nothing is going to happen between her and Santi. Mia then calls Nico. He doesn't answer. Mia leaves a message to the effect that he can't play with her, not after what happened between them. (I think she means some sex.) She tells him he's cruel but she can be worse and swears it. Her look of determination is scary.
Santi arrives home. He tells his kids there is no relationship with Raquel. They can relax. It's over. That's what they wanted isn't it? It ended before it could begin.
Laura is "examining" Juan's naked selfie on her phone when Fernando arrives home. They argue about, what else, the lack of information he can give her on the Carolina case. Then she "happens" to bring up the sister of Raquel Cohen, one Cinthia. He says she has nothing to do with the case. Laura says she checked his phone and saw all those messages from her. He's furious and tit for tat, he grabs her phone and sees Juan all splayed out.
At night in their bedrooms, Raq and Santi are alone, together, but apart. Santi has Benji, but Raq only has the ghost of Damian past staring down at her.
Rueda and Andres have a little confab over money (or the half that's going to go in Rueda's pocket) and Nacho. What they have on him is weak and Rueda doesn't think it's enough to divert suspicion from Andres if Nacho goes free. Andres protests he didn't do it. He asks Rueda if a check is ok.
Next day, Santi tells Lola he feels guilty that she has become Benji's stand-in mother when she is his sister, but proud of her, too, for taking over all the household tasks and still stay in school. She says she's happy to do it.
Raquel meets with the foundation doctor. She confides in him regarding Mia--her obsession with her every movement. Raq thinks she, herself is the one who needs therapy--she's fallen in love with Santiago. He knows who she's talking about. Doc thinks love doesn't listen to reason or logic and she has every right. Raq isn't asking permission, she's wondering about the sanity of being with her husband's lover's husband and her kids not taking it well. Doc counsels her that the kids are thinking more of themselves than of her, but perhaps they are the ones who are pushing her to form a new relationship. (Sorry, I just didn't follow HIS logic.) He adds that she should think of herself, she's suffered enough.
Cin sets up the apartment to video tape Rafael for Fernando. Regrettably, he says nothing compromising. She tries to get him to talk about getting her more drugs to sell, then about the watches and cufflinks she stole from Raq.
Now we know what Rafa asked Bebo to sell. The buyer won't give him much because they are engraved. Bebo is getting nervous, but no go, not even when he mentions Rafa's name.
Santi goes to see Alina. She can't let him see Nacho. She tells him not to trust the police, even Antonio. He should only trust her.
Nico is alone in Alina's office looking for some documents for her. Ex-Sammy comes in and takes a threatening stance, but just looks at him and tells him to ask Alina if she remembers Sammy. (Uh oh).
Raq arrives at the Legato offices and sees Azucena. She wants to discuss how they lost one of their big pasta clients. Azzie says Andres was handling the account and she can imagine how that went. Raq sees Andres and tells him she's taking over the canceled contract--if he doesn't mind.
En el pasado
Damian returns to the house in the morning. He wants a new beginning. He wants to help Raquel. He'd like to go to the catering offices with her.
Caro is all aglow in the morning. Santi is buzzing around happily. He wants a new beginning. They decide to go to the catering office together.
The two couples meet there. Raq is gushing about having all four together again and needing Caro at the offices. She tells Caro the gossip about Ariana, Caro's assistant, who is actually going with Andres, when she thought they were talking about Dam. They share coffee and seem to be having a good time. Santi has to leave to go to work--Gabriela's last stand--and Raq asks for a ride to the Foundation, nearby. Dam offers to take Caro home when she's ready.
In the car, Santi tells Raq he's glad Dam's back. She thinks it's all very odd, because he never said why he left. Santi opines that sometimes one of the pair needs some time and space away. Raq wonders if that applies to him, too. She asks if he's ever left his house. He says no, but he kinda thought about it. He didn't because he was afraid to; he didn't want to hurt Caro. Raq says she wishes Dam would have thought the same. They agree that in a relationship there is always one who loves the other more. In her relationship, Raq says it is she; in Santi's relationship, he says it is he. They both quietly reflect.
Back at the catering office, Damian and Caro tell each other they came to the office by chance. Caro asks to be forgiven (Dam fiddles with his wedding band) for thinking he was cheating with Ariana. Dam says he's told her he has eyes for no one but her (although he plays a good game with Raq and gets sex to boot). Caro also apologizes for getting all hot under the collar about Gabriela. (Honey, now can you see why you can't trust a cheater? He might cheat on you. Maybe Dam is telling you the truth, but can you ever erase that doubt?) She's surprised he really did go back to Raq just so he could go on seeing her. Dam says he's nothing without her. They end up in a clutch and he eats her mouth. He begs her to go away with him, NOW. She says she can't. He needs her. Santi is watching her more closely now.
And That's All for now Folks.
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Love it Anita.
I think this could mirror the thoughts of most of our characters (nearly all suspicious) wouldn't it? :)
I am not clever enough to know if the focus on the "children" is just part of the storyline,if it is meant to imply one or all might be complicit in the murder and/or going to extraordinary lengths to show how troubled they are. Spotlight on Mia.
I check all of the above. I haven't a clue.
Looking forward to reading the recap!
Diana
I think this could mirror the thoughts of most of our characters (nearly all suspicious) wouldn't it? :)
I am not clever enough to know if the focus on the "children" is just part of the storyline,if it is meant to imply one or all might be complicit in the murder and/or going to extraordinary lengths to show how troubled they are. Spotlight on Mia.
I check all of the above. I haven't a clue.
Looking forward to reading the recap!
Diana
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: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 12:52:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 12:52:00 PM EST
I'm taking a break right now to say this about Santi and Raquel. Someone awhile back said there is a lack of chemistry between these two leads. I see it differently. We are seeing through their eyes how the relationship is evolving over time, starting out (we surmise) by drawing them together through friendship and later tragedy. Even they don't know if what they really feel is love in an unencumbered sense or something else, attraction through pain and desire for revenge. Their children's attitudes haven't helped propel it forwards naturally.
I do see the care they have for each other. Not every love affair, on tn or real life requires the kind of chemistry most of us like to label leads. There is attraction, mutual respect, being comfortable in each other's presence, similar goals, etc. Good sex helps, but it's not always what keeps a couple together.
Ok, off my soap box and back to the recap. Anyway, I'm pulling for Santi and Raquel. They DO need each other, now more than ever; but maybe not forever.
I do see the care they have for each other. Not every love affair, on tn or real life requires the kind of chemistry most of us like to label leads. There is attraction, mutual respect, being comfortable in each other's presence, similar goals, etc. Good sex helps, but it's not always what keeps a couple together.
Ok, off my soap box and back to the recap. Anyway, I'm pulling for Santi and Raquel. They DO need each other, now more than ever; but maybe not forever.
Thanks, Anita.
Mia is moving higher and higher on my suspect list now. I can't believe how incredibly sick she is and how lacking in boundaries. To think that she has anything to say about her parents' martial issues... Federico is getting fed up with her and I hope he can distance himself enough to avoid being sucked in again in her revenge schemes and other nastiness.
Damian seems to have managed his mother adequately on the surface but I think we're missing some key information here. We've never seen her home, we know nothing about her husband, and she doesn't appear to have any friends. That last item doesn't surprise me one bit. But just as Mia wants Raquel either either to be an asexual mother or to die, Miriam would very likely never have approved of any woman Damian would have married. Mia is a chip off that block, not of either of her parents.
Oy, vey.
Mia is moving higher and higher on my suspect list now. I can't believe how incredibly sick she is and how lacking in boundaries. To think that she has anything to say about her parents' martial issues... Federico is getting fed up with her and I hope he can distance himself enough to avoid being sucked in again in her revenge schemes and other nastiness.
Damian seems to have managed his mother adequately on the surface but I think we're missing some key information here. We've never seen her home, we know nothing about her husband, and she doesn't appear to have any friends. That last item doesn't surprise me one bit. But just as Mia wants Raquel either either to be an asexual mother or to die, Miriam would very likely never have approved of any woman Damian would have married. Mia is a chip off that block, not of either of her parents.
Oy, vey.
Santiago and Raquel do not have the sexual chemistry that Damian & Carolina had. Yet, the chemistry they have with each other is likely stronger and will last longer than the sexual chemistry Dam/Caro had. That would have burnt itself out quickly.
Santiago/Raquel is a slow burn. What they have is more than just sex. They discuss ideas, and how each one of them is doing, and aspects of their lives Damian & Carolina were just sex and a lust for each other. Caro/Dam may tell each other about the obstacles in their lives but I don't know that either of them really knew too much about the other, only that they needed to have them.
Mia has no boundaries and I didn't appreciate how she shouted at Fede in front of all his schoolmates, to answer to her if he's gay or not. If Federico tries to have a girlfriend or boyfriend, Mia is going to put a stop to that, too.
Santiago/Raquel is a slow burn. What they have is more than just sex. They discuss ideas, and how each one of them is doing, and aspects of their lives Damian & Carolina were just sex and a lust for each other. Caro/Dam may tell each other about the obstacles in their lives but I don't know that either of them really knew too much about the other, only that they needed to have them.
Mia has no boundaries and I didn't appreciate how she shouted at Fede in front of all his schoolmates, to answer to her if he's gay or not. If Federico tries to have a girlfriend or boyfriend, Mia is going to put a stop to that, too.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 4:23:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 4:23:00 PM EST
Urban--If it's to be Mia, did she have an accomplice? It couldn't have been Fede, Nico or Lola.
She said if Raq had known about the affair, none of this would have happened. Is Mia the sort that had she known about the affair, would SHE have kept it from her mother? She can't have it both ways, coming off so hypocritical if she never told her.
Without foreknowledge, she wouldn't have taken the "remedy" into her own hands. But, crazy minds work in crazy ways. If she's to be the main suspect, I doubt she would have deliberately tried to cause her father's demise, but she might have wanted Caro dead and out of their lives and he was collateral damage.
In the present, though, she is far angrier at her mother and Nico than anyone else.
But we have a long way to go before GG decides to tell us who she's fingering with the deed.
She said if Raq had known about the affair, none of this would have happened. Is Mia the sort that had she known about the affair, would SHE have kept it from her mother? She can't have it both ways, coming off so hypocritical if she never told her.
Without foreknowledge, she wouldn't have taken the "remedy" into her own hands. But, crazy minds work in crazy ways. If she's to be the main suspect, I doubt she would have deliberately tried to cause her father's demise, but she might have wanted Caro dead and out of their lives and he was collateral damage.
In the present, though, she is far angrier at her mother and Nico than anyone else.
But we have a long way to go before GG decides to tell us who she's fingering with the deed.
Anon207--You always have such cogent comments. This one hit the bulls eye for sure.
Thank you for adding the bit about Mia and Fede at the ball field. Truly I didn't know what they said and it was such a short scene I left it out. And no, she has no boundaries. Imagine grilling your mother on where she's been and whom she was with. There is asking nicely because she was worried about Raq or demanding because she's such a self-centered brat.
Thank you for adding the bit about Mia and Fede at the ball field. Truly I didn't know what they said and it was such a short scene I left it out. And no, she has no boundaries. Imagine grilling your mother on where she's been and whom she was with. There is asking nicely because she was worried about Raq or demanding because she's such a self-centered brat.
Thanks, Anita. You started with a bang -- Damian is finishing his lunch with his children and giving them a cock 'n bull story about how he and Raw are going to solve their problems--alone. -- and kept right on sailing. Good show.
I too am beginning to think there's a combo of folks guilty of the crime. In my view, if Mia didn't actually pull the trigger, she had something to do with setting it up with somebody else.
Agree Santi and Raq together can't compete for hot chemistry with Dam and Caro. That's why I wanted Santi and Raq's story to go slower and heavier on the romance than on the sex. I'd like to see more of them sharing good times apart from sex.
Dam three years ago looked smashing last night. In other TNs I've seen with GS, wardrobe put him in too-tight shirts and jackets, but the wardrobe for Dam is exquisite.
Yes, Mia has some nerve. She wants everybody to treat her like she's a delicate flower, yet she outs her brother in public. And Nico irritated me too, just looking on instead of telling her she was out of line.
I too am beginning to think there's a combo of folks guilty of the crime. In my view, if Mia didn't actually pull the trigger, she had something to do with setting it up with somebody else.
Agree Santi and Raq together can't compete for hot chemistry with Dam and Caro. That's why I wanted Santi and Raq's story to go slower and heavier on the romance than on the sex. I'd like to see more of them sharing good times apart from sex.
Dam three years ago looked smashing last night. In other TNs I've seen with GS, wardrobe put him in too-tight shirts and jackets, but the wardrobe for Dam is exquisite.
Yes, Mia has some nerve. She wants everybody to treat her like she's a delicate flower, yet she outs her brother in public. And Nico irritated me too, just looking on instead of telling her she was out of line.
Thanks Anita for this great recap.
Mia is working on my last nerve. She is definitely one of the most psychologically damaged characters in this TN. (In that short scene where she asked her brother if he was 'gay' -- yes or no -- Fede mumbled a 'no'. I don't think she outed him; I just think she is cruel and goes off on her twin whenever. Fede is probably too intimidated by his sister to develop a relationship with anyone. He was attracted to Lola but of course Lola was attracted to Juan.)
But Mia is just one of many screwballs in this TN; the list includes Vincente, Juan, Andres, Alina, Cynthia... But not sure if the actual murderer is a standout nut job. Those of us hooked on this TN must watch it to the end to find out.
Mia is working on my last nerve. She is definitely one of the most psychologically damaged characters in this TN. (In that short scene where she asked her brother if he was 'gay' -- yes or no -- Fede mumbled a 'no'. I don't think she outed him; I just think she is cruel and goes off on her twin whenever. Fede is probably too intimidated by his sister to develop a relationship with anyone. He was attracted to Lola but of course Lola was attracted to Juan.)
But Mia is just one of many screwballs in this TN; the list includes Vincente, Juan, Andres, Alina, Cynthia... But not sure if the actual murderer is a standout nut job. Those of us hooked on this TN must watch it to the end to find out.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 5:27:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 5:27:00 PM EST
Mia is a major head case. She is the most damaged teen I can recall in any TN. Let's look at what few facts we have about her:
-- born a few minutes or so before Federico
-- born physically healthy while Fede was born sickly
-- helped take care of him throughout their childhood
-- had no real friends as a child
-- seems to have been making the grade in school (for lack of any info to the contrary)
-- has been bullied by other girls at school
-- cuts herself on her inner thighs (because I think this area is significant)
-- narrowly escaped being gang-raped
-- tried to make Nico share that pain with her
-- expresses extreme jealousy with regard to Nico
-- determined to end Raquel's budding romance with Santiago
-- low frustration tolerance
Anyone think of anything else?
-- born a few minutes or so before Federico
-- born physically healthy while Fede was born sickly
-- helped take care of him throughout their childhood
-- had no real friends as a child
-- seems to have been making the grade in school (for lack of any info to the contrary)
-- has been bullied by other girls at school
-- cuts herself on her inner thighs (because I think this area is significant)
-- narrowly escaped being gang-raped
-- tried to make Nico share that pain with her
-- expresses extreme jealousy with regard to Nico
-- determined to end Raquel's budding romance with Santiago
-- low frustration tolerance
Anyone think of anything else?
Thanks Anita. I agree with your assessment of Santiago and Raquel's relationship. In the present time I don't know if I'd say they're officially together yet. Even in secret their relationship isn't quite official. Them saying "Te amo" to each other for the first time wasn't really romantic. It was more out of sadness and desperation because of the situation. I don't think it was like a goodbye though. I'd still consider Damian and Carolina to be the main couple for the time being. Their relationship is all about the physical connection. When they do talk about their relationship with love notes and such it doesn't look natural. It's very forced.
If someone can manipulate the kids into disapproving the relationship between Santiago and Raquel, particularly Mia and Fede, it's Miriam. Mia would no doubt be on her side. Miriam is perfectly capable of plotting something against Carolina. Andres has Carolina and Damian in his clutches and he'd do anything Miriam asked him to.
It's possible that Godoy and Cinthia could have an affair. I feel like Laura is being manipulated by Juan. I can't quite put my finger on that.
If someone can manipulate the kids into disapproving the relationship between Santiago and Raquel, particularly Mia and Fede, it's Miriam. Mia would no doubt be on her side. Miriam is perfectly capable of plotting something against Carolina. Andres has Carolina and Damian in his clutches and he'd do anything Miriam asked him to.
It's possible that Godoy and Cinthia could have an affair. I feel like Laura is being manipulated by Juan. I can't quite put my finger on that.
I don't think manipulation is even necessary here. Most kids in their situation don't even want to think of their parents as sexual beings despite knowing that they themselves were not conceived through IVF. Lola and Nico know that anything happening between Santiago and Raquel could make them suspects in Carolina's murder, hence their disapproval. Neither of them is in any position to pass judgement on their father.
Miriam has clearly manipulated Mia, but we don't know how far back that goes. Miriam herself is determined to believe that Raquel and Santiago were having an affair long before this because she thinks so little of Raquel. It wouldn't have taken much for her to have been manipulating Mia all along against her mother. Miriam is definitely capable of plotting against anyone except Damian, but I'm not sure she would have taken this risk.
Miriam has clearly manipulated Mia, but we don't know how far back that goes. Miriam herself is determined to believe that Raquel and Santiago were having an affair long before this because she thinks so little of Raquel. It wouldn't have taken much for her to have been manipulating Mia all along against her mother. Miriam is definitely capable of plotting against anyone except Damian, but I'm not sure she would have taken this risk.
Urban, to the Mia list, she also expresses extreme jealousy with regard to Fede and her dad. Any girl or boy that dare have a relationship with Fede will have woe to pay.
Urban--another item for the Mia list. She takes revenge seriously and seems not to be bothered by how hurt the person is she's taking revenge on.
Beyond manipulative, I think Mia is beginning to be a bully herself. I do not like the way she speaks to her mother or Fede or Nico. She's still mad at Lola for a perceived betrayal. So maybe on Urban's list we could add--Holds a grudge.
Despite the lateness posting the recap (I apologize--we haven't quite got our nights lined up), thanks to everyone for adding such interesting insights in the comments.
Beyond manipulative, I think Mia is beginning to be a bully herself. I do not like the way she speaks to her mother or Fede or Nico. She's still mad at Lola for a perceived betrayal. So maybe on Urban's list we could add--Holds a grudge.
Despite the lateness posting the recap (I apologize--we haven't quite got our nights lined up), thanks to everyone for adding such interesting insights in the comments.
I'm having playback issues today for whatever reason and so I hope I can provide something before midnight. I'm going to shut down and reboot in 5 minutes.
Anita, thoughtful and insightful.
"Dam says he's told her he has eyes for no one but her (although he plays a good game with Raq and gets sex to boot)" was spot on.
Your comments on the respective family dinners gave much food for thought. "At the Beckers' dinner is a silent affair. At the Alvarados' everyone in happily interacting and enjoying preparing a family meal... Three years later, the three Beckers are still eating in silence. The remaining Alvarados are now pensively silent". I believe if Damian and Caro had never met, Caro and Santiago would still be together. And relatively happy. I believe the Beckers would not have stayed together regardless. If Caro hadn't provided whatever Damian was seeking, someone else would have.
"Her look of determination is scary". And frightening. Mia continues to glower and intimidate. Does anyone stand up to her? In contrast, we clearly saw that Lola is an excellent surrogate mother.
"He's furious and tit for tat, he grabs her phone and sees Juan all splayed out". Thankfully, the camera did not linger on that spot.
"She asks if he's ever left his house. He says no, but he kinda thought about it. He didn't because he was afraid to; he didn't want to hurt Caro" surprised me. I hadn't thought he had ever considered leaving her.
Anita, this was excellent. Thank you!
Diana
"Dam says he's told her he has eyes for no one but her (although he plays a good game with Raq and gets sex to boot)" was spot on.
Your comments on the respective family dinners gave much food for thought. "At the Beckers' dinner is a silent affair. At the Alvarados' everyone in happily interacting and enjoying preparing a family meal... Three years later, the three Beckers are still eating in silence. The remaining Alvarados are now pensively silent". I believe if Damian and Caro had never met, Caro and Santiago would still be together. And relatively happy. I believe the Beckers would not have stayed together regardless. If Caro hadn't provided whatever Damian was seeking, someone else would have.
"Her look of determination is scary". And frightening. Mia continues to glower and intimidate. Does anyone stand up to her? In contrast, we clearly saw that Lola is an excellent surrogate mother.
"He's furious and tit for tat, he grabs her phone and sees Juan all splayed out". Thankfully, the camera did not linger on that spot.
"She asks if he's ever left his house. He says no, but he kinda thought about it. He didn't because he was afraid to; he didn't want to hurt Caro" surprised me. I hadn't thought he had ever considered leaving her.
Anita, this was excellent. Thank you!
Diana
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 8:54:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 8:54:00 PM EST
Thank you Ms Nita. Good recap.So many
Lies. I don't like Mia. She crazy. She
Could have killed Caro and drug her
Pregnant body and planted her in that
Shallow grave.The girl is nuts I tell you.
She's talked herself into thinking her
Mother let the affair happen. And just
What does she think momma could have
Done to stop it? Throw herself at dam?
He was a determind Bastard.She need to
Take her crazy butt somewhere and get
Some therapy. The girl is wrecked in
The brain. If they were to hypnotize
Her all kinds of trash would come out.
What the heck is the attraction of naked bodies on phones? That's just really gross. And They get upset once
It goes viral there in the cosmos.They should Keep there naked butts off the phone Camaras.Butt to each his or her own.Lol
Good recap Anita.
Lies. I don't like Mia. She crazy. She
Could have killed Caro and drug her
Pregnant body and planted her in that
Shallow grave.The girl is nuts I tell you.
She's talked herself into thinking her
Mother let the affair happen. And just
What does she think momma could have
Done to stop it? Throw herself at dam?
He was a determind Bastard.She need to
Take her crazy butt somewhere and get
Some therapy. The girl is wrecked in
The brain. If they were to hypnotize
Her all kinds of trash would come out.
What the heck is the attraction of naked bodies on phones? That's just really gross. And They get upset once
It goes viral there in the cosmos.They should Keep there naked butts off the phone Camaras.Butt to each his or her own.Lol
Good recap Anita.
Permalink posted by : Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 9:24:00 PM EST
: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 9:24:00 PM EST
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