Caray, Caray!

Thanks Sandy for the prompt and great recap.

Santiago's distrust of Miriam proved to be correct and Raquel was snared once again by the evil mother-in-law. Looks like the battle will have to move to either further blackmail or the custody courts. Perhaps the document that Damian's secretary spirited out in front of Miriam has information to implicate either Andres and/or Miriam in something illegal so Raquel will have a bargaining chip to make Miriam back off with her attempt to get custody of Benjamin. Miriam apparently believes that Santi is involved in the accident that has left Damian in a coma and thus unfit to raise her son's child.

Lola would be crazy to trust that Juan has changed.

Since the entire episode was in the present, surely we are more than halfway through this dark TN. How much more of the past can have bearing on the present?
 

Sandie: Poor Benji :(

Anon: This episode pissed me off! Miriam & Andres are likely to brainwash the little kid into EVIL.
 

Bold Prediction: Dumb Lola will fall for Juan's Oscar performance of "changing"....

Nico needs to get a girl his OWN AGE!
 

Gracias, Sandie.

Was there actually a DNA test to compare Benjamin's DNA to Damian's? We know that Santiago isn't his sperm donor but do we know for certain that Damian is? There is still also the possibility that the results are faked.

Mia still needs to be in a psych ward. Cinthia is half right about Mia's issues. Mia is angry with the situation and Damian's betrayal of their family but that does not discount or excuse her nastiness about Raquel's relationship with Santiago and her treatment of Nicolas. This girl needs hospitalization and a good shrink.

Lola might also if she falls for Juan's pitch. She needs to get as far away from him as possible and he needs to be locked in a padded room at a facility for the criminally insane.

Nicolas needs a girl his own age. A sane girl. Too bad he didn't see Alina and Ruedas but it's only the halfway mark to this series.

Miriam deserves to burn in hell. She is looking to strip Raquel of what is rightfully hers while taking Benjamin from the only family he has ever known. She knows that Andres wants Raquel so she would disinherit him as well... if he doesn't kill her first.

Santiago needs to be less impulsive. That's why Raquel is good for him.

I fail to see why police evidence needs to be examined in any order at all.

Laura needs to lose her job and Fernando needs a new start... without ugly Cinthia whom nobody can trust and who is always the epicenter of disaster. She is soon to be Andres' next victim. He will likely get her hooked on drugs again so she will do what it takes to keep feeding the beast and he will use her sexually while she's zonked out and deny everything if she can even recall his actions.
 

Thanks Sandie!

I’m glad Lola was able to talk Santiago out of running away with Benjamin. In the heat of the moment he was only thinking about Benjamin and not Lola and Nico.

Raquel shouldn’t have underestimated Miriam. The conversation between Raquel and Santiago towards the end was really sweet. Raquel was willing to sacrifice everything for Santiago. Their love isn’t about revenge anymore but now seems pure.

I can’t believe Rueda got seduced by Alina again. Alina was obviously didn’t expect Nico to disobey her.

Anon 8:09: Yes I believe there are approximately 50 episodes left so that’s just over 100 total.
 

Thanks, Sandie. Your coverage of last night is excellent.

I'm no SinCin fan, but even if she steps away from Godoy, Laura will continue blasting nasty broadcasts. She was going to out Benji's paternity no matter what, too juicy not to tell.

Raq signing over Legato to Miriam thinking she would follow through on not fighting for custody was nuts. Raq was desperate to help Santi, but what about looking out for her kids' rights to Legato. Anyway, at the least, Miriam can gain abuela visiting rights.

Alina and Rueda. Eeoow. This man is that hot for a woman that's driven his son loco?
 

Thanks Sandie!

The fact that Miriam would reject Legato just to hurt Raq is twisted beyond belief. I still don't understand where all of this hate is coming from.

Miriam tried to kill her son, in front of many witnesses, and her granddaughter tried to commit suicide in her house. What judge in his right mind, or not paid off, would give her unsupervised visits with Benji let alone custody?

Super disappointed in Rueda.
 

O Sandie thank you for this recap without Past and present jumping back and forth.That was kind of annoying.I know They had to keep going back and forth like that to bring us up to the point of what led to the murder, but it was kind of annoying, and I hope this is the beginning of them not doing that anymore cuz we pretty much got it now.

In Thursday night's episode when Miriam told Rudue to start custody proceedings for her grandson and then she said "the one that Damian had with Carolina",is there another grandson we don't know about? cuz I don't think this was Damian's first rodeo. It's probably too late in the story to bring up that possibility, but it's something to think about and if there is another sibling by someone else that Damien cheated with on Rachel Miriam probably pay her off and Damian may not even know about that one. And
That is a whole new tn. One tragedy at
A time.
I would love to know what's in the file that auzua,(I don't even know how to pronounce that name let alone spell it but you know who I'm talking about) the secretary in Miriam's office. She
Don't like miri either,or andres.Shes
Been there a long time.She's probably
Seen some stuff, heard some stuff. If
Secretaries to talk.
Sometimes judges don't have to be paid
Off, their just dumb. And can hand that child over to Miriam cuz they they think she can provide better cuz
She got mega bucks.

I really hope santi don't run,cuz that
Would be more trouble that he needs
Right now.And I hope his prints aren't
On that gun. That would just ruin the
Whole show.

Andres is really into how much he can do with his body. And his seems to be the only one that's talkin,cin is treating him like he has badbreath and
He probably does.

Ok thank you Sandie.
 

Thank you, Sandie. Miriam is just as twisted as the rest of them as proved by her latest move made just to hurt Raquel as much as she could. Anyway it was not a smart move on Raquel’s part to sign her part of the company away so Miriam’s latest move doesn’t bother me much. Santiago should have taken his own counsel and left town with Benjamin as he had planned. Juan is a dangerous scum bag and Lola keeps playing with fire. Lola has a hard time saying “no” to people. What if she is pregnant? After her weekend away, who might the father be? This is such a sordid story, I fully expect her to be pregnant or at least have a nasty STD and will be surprised if it doesn’t. On to next week. Now who does that fingerprint belong to?
 

Lola being pregnant would be a disaster. She is too young and she needs to finish college and get her career going. Also, this would likely tie her to the psycho Juan. She doesn't need this. Is anyone else concerned that Juan might hurt Benjamin? They need a restraining order last year.

I'm not ready to buy Mia's apology to Raquel.

Santiago needs a good lawyer ASAP because nobody can trust Screaming Mimi.
 

Urban, ITA about the restraining order. The whole “Juan plot” is exasperating because nobody takes him seriously enough. ITA about Mia,, too. I feel like she is “on hold” snookering Raquel in and ready to explode again when it suits her purposes.
 

Sandie--Thank you. As usual, this is my Sunday feast, but doggonit you had it ready on Saturday. I had to restrain myself. Lots of comments to digest as well.

Jarifa--I so agree. Is he still teaching? Is Lola the only one he's treated this way in the last three years? If so, then it's because Lola won't bring charges. As a typically abused partner, they swallow the whole "sorry, I won't do it again" spiel and proceed to do it again and blame the victim for provoking the action. (I didn't use any pronouns because there are a small number of female abusers out there.) OTOH, restraining orders have been shown not to work. In fact, IMHO, they just provoke the abuser even more.

I think Juan is much more likely to hurt Bebo. He doesn't hide his anger.

Andres is a horse of a different color. He's just as angry--at Raquel, Caro, Lola, SinCin and who knows who else for rejecting him. He can't even get prostitutes he paid for to "do" him. He lets it seethe inside him but uses less obvious tactics than murder (or--we shall see...) to dispel his anger. I guess now he's going to come to Raquel's aid as her champion.

I didn't watch that scene as closely as I should. Did he know Mimi was going to tear up the contract? He wants Raquel's share and her out of company business. Remember, she's the only one that knows he's been fleecing the company, though the story he gave her about sending back bad flour, she accepted.

Can't wait to see what it is that Azucena saw in that file and why she took it. I have a feeling it's something she's going to show Raquel.

Ay, Santi, I hope you don't jump to the conclusion that Raquel double-crossed you and is now on Mimi's side.
 

Carvivlie--"The fact that Miriam would reject Legato just to hurt Raq is twisted beyond belief." I think Miriam believes she can eventually get all of Legato anyway, so in her twisted mind, this was a brilliant move and more proof that Santi and Raquel were having an affair long before the accident. She never liked Raquel and she likes Santi even less.
 

WHO KNEW OF THE AFFAIR BEFORE THE ACCIDENT--The list gets longer
Andres is the 1st to guess right, then have it confirmed on video
Azucena is the 1st to know who it is
Miriam is the 1st to have a pretty good idea and to confront Dam with her suspicion
Vicente is the 1st to take a stab at it and then capitalize on it
Gabriela suspects with minimum amount of information when she told Raq she knows Caro's type and saw the way Caro looked at Dam
Lisa suspected something after seeing Caro or being told she was seen in the town with an elegant man and asked Caro if she and Santi were separated
The Midwife, although not having anything to do with them, interacted with both although we never saw Caro and Dam actually with her
Agustín overheard something significant and was pretty sure it was not about Lola or work
Nacho heard it from Agustín and confronted Caro
Lola, Fede and Nico get bits of information but haven’t put it all together
Mia was still guessing but she was more obsessed with the idea her mother and Santi were having the affair, based on the multiple times she saw them together and those famous foursome tell-all talks she eavesdropped on
 

Sandie, thank you for the excellent recap.

"Raquel signs but when it is Miriam’s turn to sign she hesitates than grabs the agreement and rips it saying. “It does not hurt you to give up the factory, what hurts you is losing Benji, there is no agreement” Raquel is stunned and visibly rattled". OMG. So was I! While Raq is obviously in love with and supportive of Santiago, I felt a twinge in that she didn't seem to consider how disposing of her children's inheritance was going to affect them (as noted by others too).

Miriam becomes more despicable every day. Carvivlie, I think we on the patio are the only ones who seem to remember that she tried to kill her own son.

Was whatever Azucena saw the contract that Miriam ripped up or was it something else? Did anyone else think Raquel didn't even give the contract a dirty look but signed not knowing exactly what? My thought was that Azucena changed something and whatever Raq signed wasn't what Miriam drafted up. Does this make any sense?

"Raquel tells Cynthia to stay away from Godoy in order to avoid problems". Not happening.

"Ruedas says “you think I’m just going to sit around waiting for you?” Alina confirms that yes he is because all men only want sex". And of course as sex and power are all Alina wants, she is also describing herself.

Did she really think Nico wouldn't tell his father about their affair?? I still think she wanted to seduce Santi but of course that would never have happened even if she wasn't involved with Nico. I smiled when he told her he wasn't her personal errand boy...

I keep waiting for something, anything to become clearer. For me, every episode seems more murky...

Diana
 

Diana, ITA abut the “murkiness” just increasing.
 

Maybe they'll get around to clearing up the murk this week. I really hope santi don't run. Stay and fight that Ol battle ax.
 

Diana: Nick FINALLY grew a backbone & told the Latina Mrs. Robinson where to shove it!
 

Thanks, Sandie! Happy as always to see you catching things I missed. Andres is a slug, but a sly slug and I felt SinCin's disgust wiping away that sloppy kiss of his. He is so UNappealing despite his fancy clothes and supposed higher education, upbringing, etc. Yech!

Poor Godoy. How he could still feel anything for Laura and her admitting to him that she wanted him home like it was simply a matter of homegrown emotional blackmail. ITA she won't stop leaking or surmising because that is what her boss wants to get her to the top of the charts and for his station/production to stay there. Dunno what kind of libel laws they have in Mexico but smearing private persons's lives/reputations simply because they become part of a bigger story should be illegal anywhere. It shouldn't be public fodder.

ITA about Rueda, but then he's a wimpy slug also - fooling around with your son's lover, ex or otherwise, is too disgusting.

As for Miriam tearing up her set of papers--fine and expected by Viewerville, but what happened to all the papers with Racquel's signature giving up her portion of Legato that Rueda took? NO attorney read them beforehand to see that they specifically say "tit for tat" re: Benji. So, now will naive Raq have lost everything due to Miriam's major bait and switch?
 

Tell me if I'm wrong, but if Raq briefly went out with Andres at minimum 18 years ago (basing the number of off the kids ages) Cynthia would have been a minor herself. Knowing Andres likes them young is it possible Andres raped or sexually preyed upon a young Cyn and that is why she got into drugs? The guilt, shame, hurt all pushed her into drugs? Also, maybe that is why she resents Raq too...because deep down she feels like her sister brought this man into their lives and her older sister didn't protect her? To me Cyn is just another child victim but 10 years later. I could totally see Mia like her 10 years from now or Lola.
 

Carvivlie--I think you nailed it. Raq was in college and threw Andres over when she met Damian, so SinCin most likely was in high school.
 

Carvivlie, I don't think Cinthia is much younger than Raquel, but if Andres preyed upon her after Raquel broke up with him you'd think Cin would have ratted him out at the time. Her drug problem probably began earlier than that.

He did prey upon her when she was in rehab 3 years ago when she was very zonked out. We don't know whether she remembers that.

She once talked about resenting Raquel because she was the good student, the popular girl, everything that parents usually want their daughters to be. Cin herself was the screw-up.
 

Thanks Patio peeps for stopping by and leaving your great comments.

I tend to agree with most of the comments especially the ones about Juan. He cannot change unless he gets professional help. I fear for Bebo because Juan is a psychopath.

Urban: I couldn't help but notice your comment about Raquel being good for Santi. It was just 3 years ago when the very impulsive one was Raquel. I remember how very impulsive and overly pushy she was when she wanted the banquet business, when she wanted to help Santi with his business and with trips she forced both families to take. She has changed and toned her impulsiveness down quite a bit and she is good for Santi.

The other comment I agree with is anything calling Ruedas disgusting. No wonder Sammy is a mess.
 

Hello everyone! Hope you are all doing well.

I started binging this one last week and hope to be all caught up soon but wanted to thank the faithful recappers for helping the viewers like myself navigate the maze of plot twists and time jumps.

Thus far, I am enthralled by this storyline. For me, it's not too dark or light, and the mystery elements keep me glued to my screen. I love how honest it is and how fearless Giselle Gonzalez continues to be in her stories. While some characters are more exasperating than others, I don't hate anyone yet, and I appreciate that not everyone is white or black but extremely gray.

I am most pleasantly surprised by the kids. These young actors, except Ela Velden, are relative newcomers and they are knocking it out of the park. The casting in all aspects has been great, except Arath (but he has his moments) though I appreciate the fact that he was casted against his type since he's usually a comedic actor. I also see there's been some debate to how "overacted" Silvia Navarro has been but, IMHO, she perfectly captured that initial revelation moment and her subsequent breakdown in Santiago's arms was amazing. Gabriel Soto and Adriana Louvier are also doing excellent work and I haven't seen either in a role like this before. Very juicy, sensual, sexual. The only think I saw Carlos Ferro in is Eva Luna but I love seeing how much he's grown as an actor. I slip that sexual tension between Santiago and Raquel so much. Maybe they should've just switched couples and everyone would've been happier. Oh well!

Urban, Jardinera, Sandie, Anita and Princess Juju, thank you for all your hard work on this series!
 

Urban, considering how neither Mia or Lola willingly outed any of their attackers I don't think it is hard to believe that Cyn wouldn't have told Raq of an attack by Andres. Especially since he is very good at finding a person's weak spot and blackmailing/exploiting for his own good.
 

Alfredo--It's been too long to have heard your "voice" on a tn I've been watching. We're a small but dedicated group of commenters. Welcome to the Patio. We keep being amazed by what Giselle has been doing to us watchers.
 

P.S., Alfredo--Carlos Ferro was beloved in Reina de Corazones. I'm so pleased you remember him from Eva Luna. He spent most of his time off screen and in jail. I'm so glad he wasn't typecast as an antagonist.
 

Thank you, Anita. Glad to be here. I barely recognized Carlos when he got cast but went back and realized he was in Eva Luna. I remember he did an intense 180 in that one, from good to bad because of certain circumstances, but I liked what he did with such a limited, and not that well-written, role. He is really getting a chance to shine here. I never saw him in anything else because he was mostly in Azteca and Telemundo, who's productions are a little harder to watch.

THe best thing about Giselle, like Carla Estrada before her, is her visionary ability to take risks and try new things, Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but she never lets fear dedicate her productions and it shows.
 

Good to see you here, Alfredo.

This series has unique challenges and I'm glad I signed on for it. I agree that the young actors are delivering in a very challenging story. I'm sure Ela Velden is enjoying playing a disturbed bad girl after being such a goody two shoes elsewhere.
 

Thank you, Urban :)

I agree, she must be having a blast. Mia would make her previous character's lives impossible.

Another thing about Giselle that I love is the wardrobe choices for her characters. They are always tasteful, age and social status appropriate. The costume designer she chose is great.

I also love the darker, muted colors in the present and more vibrant colors in the past. The attention to detail is so good here that even the iphones were thicker in the past than they are now. It's great.

Another thing: the main theme music is used, thus far, only for Carolina's and Damian's escapades. This honor is usually reserved for the main couple but here it's like we are supposed to be rooting for Carolina and Damian, which is an interesting. Not uncommon, as most tn love stories begin with one of the main characters in some sort of relationship and cheating, but interesting nonetheless.
 

Alfredo, regarding the theme music, I was thinking the same thing. I'm wondering if it is being used to convince us that Damian really loves Caro, despite not talking of divorce at all to be together. I do wonder if she was free would he be as interested?
 

As far as I've seen (episode 20), it's extremely hard to tell if he does love her or not. He loves the chase and he loves lusting after her and experiencing something new outside of his marriage but I would have to see further to see if he loves her or not. As for the theme, maybe it's that they're more important than Raquel or Santiago as their story is what begin this thing.

As for not getting a divorce, I think you can love someone, have an affair, but not want to lose the life you've built with someone else. Damian, like Carolina, is willing to give into his desire and passion, but he has a reputation to guard, a family to care for, and a business to grow. We like to think that love is all consuming sometimes, but people can be rational about who they love and how, and I think Damian is extremely practical when it comes to his affair. I just saw the episode where Carolina is made about Damian sleeping with Raquel when she can't sleep with Santiago and Damian advises her to stop rejecting him or he will begin to suspect there is something going on. He can both passionate and logical.
 

Isn't that interesting, about the theme song. After I translated the lyrics, I thought the words better described Santiago. Next to La Candidata's theme music, which is wordless, this is the most haunting intro song/music I've heard in a long time.
 

I love this theme song, Anita. In general, its a besutiful song with, as you stated, haunting lyrics. As far as this story is concerned, its about that missed connection, that couldve been that is so painful.

Pablo Alboran described it as a relationship that didnt work and no one took responsibility for the mistakes they made until it was too late.

This describes Damian and Carolina perfectly. Carolina, at least, will never be able to apologize for what she did and all those people she hurt. Her own child will never know her, not really, and all we have left is those screaming echoes, wishing things couldve been done differently but no way to turm back time.
 

I think Santiago and Raquel have their own theme song, "Prometo."