Caray, Caray!

I didn't see much of the show last night, but the bits I did see caught my interest enough to continue watching and post a discussion page to see if a patio forms.

I've never seen Angelique in a TN so I will have my first experience with her :-)

Michel was in "Falco" and he did a great job in that.

Claudia Martin was in "Ramon" but she looks quite much more sophisticated here; and may be a littel more "outspoken."

Gonzalo Pena was Francystco in "Ramon" too. He doesn't seem to be as hateful here as on in Ramon...but time will tell.

Macarena Archaga aka Emilia in LBYLB is one of the mogul's daughters, but seems sweeter here.

And we get to see Jessica Mas and Arturo Barba from LBYLB too, but I didn't see them last night.

Hope to here from you all soon! Have a great day!
 

I think it started out well and raised enough questions (and eyebrows) to maintain interest. I really like Alexis Ayala and am sad that he is apparently going to disappear from the story, his body anyway. Am having Cuerpo del Deseo flashbacks.

 

The promos pretty much covered the first episode.
In addition to characters Rgv Chick mentioned,
Alejandro Nones was one of the Lucio brothers in "La Piloto". Here, I think, he is the main villain. I suspect he arranged the assassination.
Bárbara López was in "Papá a toda madre" as Ánifer's mother María. Here, she is the daughter of the criminal whose body got León's soul.
 

so im excited for this TN because it so complex. So basically there are three dudes, Michel Brown, Alexis Ayala, and Arturo Barba. Who switch bodies after dying.

Michel brown is a murderer who gets sent to the electric chair after kiling a judge.
Alexis Ayala is a mogul who marries Lucia(angelique) and that is 30 years younger than him, hes like 60 in the show.
Arturo Barba is an anthropologist professor with a wife and a son that has cancer (i think) and apparently lives a very boring life alongside his wife who doesn't get much satisfaction from him (if you know what I mean).

so michel and ayala die at the same time and ayala's soul transfers to michel's body
then Barba dies after he has a car accident and michel's soul transfers to barba's body. So alexis ayala's body and Barba's soul will be gone because that's what death decided.

so this is all pretty intresting tbh, really good actors here, looking forward to seeing arturo barba, i liked his acting since ELSDLC when he played Turco

 

Welcome, Lydia, Lucio, and Anon 9:38!

Lydia, looked up Alexis Ayala since I had never seen him before...he had a heart attack this past July! so I'm kinda glad his body will not be seen so he can have plenty of time to recuperate.

Lucio, thanks for adding those two characters. I haven't seen Alejandro Nones before but he does look like he can be a mean dude! And Barbara Lopez? I didn't get ot see her last night...looking forward to seeing her in this.

Anon 9:38, thanks for that info. So Arturo Barba is getting Michel's soul? That will be interesting! Arturo was great in LBYLB as an antagonist.

Looks like a good cast overall...can't wait till tonight!
 

im just going to put a cast list right here so that it can be more clearer

Angelique Boyer as Lucía Borges Duarte de Carvajal
Michel Brown as Macario "El Chino" Valdés
Alejandro Nones as Johny Corona
Arturo Barba as Beltrán Camacho
Macarena Achaga as Valentina Carvajal
Claudia Martín as Eva Carvajal
Jessica Más as Lupita de Valdés
Henry Zakka as Camilo Guerra
Nestor Rodulfo as El Alacrán
Gonzalo Peña as Guillermo Carvajal
Roberto Duarte as Inspector Montilla
Cinthia Vázquez as Alicia Camacho
Bárbara López as Juliana Valdés
Cayetano Arámburo as Mateo Luna
Jessica Díaz as Renata Barranco
Alessio Valentini as Javier Beltrán
Alexis Ayala as León Carvajal
 

Thanks, Anon!

Can I just make a suggestion? It would really help me keep up with your very informative comments if you could please end your posts with a signature such as Anon-AAM/AnonMuerte/or some other generic name so that I can distinguish you from other anonymous commentators...

If you prefer not to, it's fine; you're comments will still be very welcome :-)
 

I so wanted to give Amar a Muerte a try but, yikes, I've started early on my Hallmark Xmas movie binge watching. LOL And it's hockey season. And lots of other shows we record at this hour. Missed last night but I will try to squeeze this in.
 

Glad to "see" you here Doris, welcome!!
 

Doris, Maite Perroni is uploading the episodes on Youtube (I'm watching it right now :-), so if you want to watch last night's episode, here is the link...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJdrAup-BEs

 

When Two Universes Collide, Things can REALLY go wrong

The people in Universe Uno

Alexis Ayala is Leon Carvajal, some big wig who looks to be like the head of LooneyVision.
Alejandro Nones, from La Piloto 1 as his sidekick Johnny Corona
(Every really big dude has to have a sidekick/manservant/helper/sycophant.
Angelique Boyer’s legs is Lucia, the girlfriend/bedmate of manservant. They cook up a scheme to have her marry big important guy Carvajal and then have him killed.

Universe Dos San Antonio Texas

Michael Brown is Jacobo 'Chino' Valdes a hitman for some drug guys who lives in a trailer outside San Antonio. No, not even a tornado bait house trailer, rather a travel trailer, with his almost hot wife and hot teenage daughter. In addition to his interest in killing innocent people, he appears to have some dark interest in the occult also. IE: he luuurves his black hoodie. WTF? And skulls.

People we know:

Big Important Guy’s kids or kids spouses at the dining table are Francystco from Ramoon (Gonzalo Pena) as Guillermo , Emilia from Bela (Macarena Achaga) as Vale, Fabiola’s temporarily mute sister from Ramon (Claudia Martin) as Eva.

Eman from Bela is in this one also along with Barbara Lopez (Anifer’s Mom Maria) from Papa.


Start off with him in ambulance then at hospital. On the way to the hospital
Lucia, his new bride is with him, along with an EMT. But then we see some
pale ghostly looking being, a woman I think, for just a moment. Then as he is wheeled
down the hall, and his bride watches, a black butterfly flits around. Boo !

3 months earlier at a function Carvajal is introduced by Johnny

And at the same time in San Antonio Tx we see an Assassin hit man doing some
kind of occult ritual with his pistol in his trailer as his wifey walks in.
He then leaves in his black hoodie as his wife and daughter silently watch.

We see a dressed to the nines in red Lucia make her entrance to the event and
walk in, sit down and blow Leon the big rich guy kisses. She sits in the front row with his children and Johnny.

There is some cheesy looking guy taking poorly lit pictures of a dark haired girl.
No clue how this fits in.

Meanwhile back in San Antone, we see the hit man pull up in his two dollar salvage yard car to make his hit on a federal judge.
He gets a last look at a picture of the target judge on his phone and goes in.

The judge is talking to some fellow who has what appears to eb a memory card/ USB stick
and there is also a briefcase of money. Who knew?

He kisses a picture of some occult deity, pulls up his hood, and goes in and does the deed.
He takes the briefcase of money and leaves after putting his gun in one of the fellows face.



 

Back in Mexico at the day of the dead celebration we see the same spooky being as in the ambulance.

At hme there is a family meal with Leon, his son Gully, daughters Val and Eva, Johnny and GF Lucia.
Apparently Lucia and one of the daughters (Eva) do not get along too well. She must be married, as she is wearing a big rock.
There is a heated discussion between her and Lucia and first Lucia, starts to leave, then Eva does.
Big guy is soooo in luuuurve with his half-age poke. Hey, dude, even Rulli won't marry her. Wake up.

Hit man is back home after his excellent adventure. Screaming and fighting with the wife unit. Daughter just covers her ears.
He is heading out to bury the money.

Half-age poke visits old rich dude at work and lays it on thick, Te Amos all around.
Next scene, the sheets are about to burst into flames under her ass as she and Johnny are
nekkid!

Back to the Day of the Dead festival, and Leon and some even OLDER dude are there.
What appears to be some random stranger wearing a skull mask pretends to shoot Leon with his fingers, raises his mask and takes a swig
of his beer, and walks off. Both guys are like ?Que?

In Tx we see the drug guys operation. They try to call their hit man who does not answer. He looks to have double crossed them.
The watch the news and see that he accomplished the hit and try to call him. He throws the phone out of the car and drives off.

When the drug guys realize their hit man Jacobo 'Chino' has given them the slip, they head out to find him.

Leon gets home to an empty house. He has a front door you could drive a semi through.
He appears surprised to find the house empty. As it starts torain he sees that same ghostly figure outside on the ground looking up to his window.
Leon is kinda creeped out by it. He calls security and looks again and she is gone.

He then opens a bookcase, types in a code and goes downstairs to a "batcave" like in Bela
and starts looking at all his security cameras. He sees his big black dog barking at something, but there is nothing there.

We see Eva and her hubby at home arguing about something.

In Tx the drug kingpin fellows find hit man's trailer. They rough up Mom and daughter wanting to know where Chino is. But they really do not know.
They don't even rape the daughter. A last minute call from the boss saves her. What kind of show is this?

Out in the boonies under a cross Chino buries the briefcase of money with the USB stick inside.
He leaves a pendant from around his neck hanging nearby.


Chino is heading back and sees a roadblock, as there is an APB out for him. Now the Popo have the latest shit from Dodge, and he has a salvage yard reject.
So Einstein runs the roadblock and thinks he will outrun them. It doesn't pan out.

But when he has to abandon the car, and they apprehend him, they must believe
that he was in fact only trying to shoot their cars, rather than them because
they do not shoot him full of holes right there in BFE, but gently arrest him.



 

We see the girl who was being photographed earlier in a brothel against her will. I don't know if it is Chino's daughter or not. It kinda looked like her.
Brutal.

Leon and Johnny walking the grounds as THEIR favorite poke sits by the pool in a tiny black bikini.

Chino is in prison now and one of the dead judge's buddies visits and wants that USB stick back. It ain't happening unless Chino gets out.
Well, that aint happening either. Later his wife visits.

NOW 3 months later we see the wedding. Leon and Lucia tie the knot and sign his death warrant...er the wedding papers.
His daughter Eva and her hubby are not too happy for some reason. The old guy who was with him at the Day of the Dead celebration is there too.
I think he is an anthropologist or something.

Lucia seems to especially like the 'Till Death do us part' part.

At the reception Lucia slips away to discuss how their plan is progressing.
We see a flashback of when she was working in some venue and managed to meet Leo
who was awestruck immediately. She pretends to not know who he is until he points himself out in a life sized poster on the wall.
Little Miss Innocent.

Back at the reception, a waiter hired by Johnny stabs Leon, as Johnny has him in position. Then Johnny happens to have a pistol in
his pocket and shoots the waiter umpty eleven times so mhe can't talk.

In Tx, Chino is being extinguished in the electric chair.

We see the ambulance ride again with a dying Leon, Lucia, an EMT fellow, and the weird chick with a white face and lock of grey in her hair.

Chino's wife and daughter watch as Chino fights with every molecule as he is led to old sparky for his final adventure.

Then there is an eclipse of the sun and they have Chino laid out to be processed to be buried and we see
his face morph into Leon for a moment, and then he comes back to life as the lab people rush in.
 

Anifers mom is Chino's daughter in this.
 

KIRBYYYY! Thank you for all the details!! Wow what a nice surprise :-)

Just to add a couple things. The girl that was being photographed was actually Lucia...she was having a flashback of her start as a pron model. In her next flashback (when she was at the pool), she was at the brothel and her own mother made her "service" the yukky guy. It seemed to be her first time...poor thing! She was definitely in the plot with Johnny to marry Leon, but I don't think she had knowledge about the plot to murder Leon.

When Alacran, the leader of the druggies, was about to take Lupita into the trailer to rape her, the other guy got a call from someone who told him that all the roads had been closed and Chino would not be able to get away...so they had to leave.

The older guy with Leon is Camilo Guerra (played by Henry Zakka). He and Leon seem to have been friends since childhood and he is alos Guillermo's godfather. They talk about a book he wrote about reincarnation.

 

pron??? NO, I didn't mean prom LOL should be "PORN"!
 

another thing is that there will be a lesbian couple which will be macarena achaga and barbara lopez

ill leave my initals rvg chick

-gc
 

rgv*** my bad xD

-gc
 

so tonights episode will revolve around Beltran (arturo barba) and el chino bc leon went into chino's body so chino has to go somewhere. Pretty sure this will be a hit, it's pretty intriguing so far

gc
 

Thanks gc! I was wondering when Barba would show up!

I was looking at Macarena when they were all having breakfast...she is really thin...too thin!!
 

yea arturo is actually one of the main characters so we'll probably be seeing him for the rest of the show, he'll be a protagonist this time unlike LBYLB where he did a fantastic villain. Excited to see him
 

i forgot xD
gc
 

Yes, and she looks so young here!
 

Hey y'all! It's good to be back! I didn't watch LBYLB, I just couldn't get into it but I really wanted to watch AaM so here I am. The plot seems interesting so far so hopefully I can keep up. It has a supernatural quality to it, it seems.

So did I understand right that Johnny and Lucia are involved romantically, an affair? León obviously blindly trusts and cares for Johnny.

I'll comment again later if I can think of something else to say or ask questions lol
 

Chino's bizarre religious activities: He appears to be a devotee of Santa Muerte, which is kind of a death cult for drug traffickers and other criminals, and NOT Catholic. Anyone who watched Reina del Sur will remember that creepy Santa Muerte chapel where La Reina went during the early episodes to meet with Epifanio Vargas (Humberto Zurita).
 

Yes Johnny and Lucia are lovers and looked to be before Lucia hooked up with Leon
 

Haven't watched this yet but thanks RgvChick for putting up a discussion page. And additional thanks to Kirby who gave us a recap. Sounds mysterious and with a lot of villainy. Angelique is a big draw for a lot of people and she's a good actress. Strangely I'm watching some old capitulos of Rebelde, back when she was a teenager and before plastic surgery. Just a lovely, sylphlike, natural beauty in those days.

I'll certainly watch the first week and see whether or not my Wuss Factor lets me continue. But delighted to see a discussion page.
 

so basically johnny and lucia are lovers but she didn't know that johnny ordered Leon's death. So Leon will come back in Chino's body to take revenge on Lucia and Johnny. Leon thought he was a good dad but he really wasn't so he will learn his errors in life.
 

i keep forgetting xD
gc
 

Welcome TF and Judy; hope you find the show not-to-gruesome. JudyB, I do like a good mystery as long as it's not too graphic when it comes to violence.

Lydia, I wasn't sure that was the Santa Muerte; thanks for confirming that.

gc, Chino-Leon will probably want to take revenge as you say (when he figures out they were scamming him), but where will Chino's wife and daughter be left in all of this? Lucia has had a bad start on life and she is Johnny's accomplice, but will she have a change of heart when she meets Chineon and will she be redeemed?? So many questions already!!
 

GC. From what I saw, and I am no expert, I could not tell whether Lucia was in on it, and a good actress playing an even better actress in the ambulance, or didn't know of Johnny' plan. Either way Santa Muerte will be busy ut appears.
 

RGV...does it really matter if there is plenty of hopping, stabbing, and shooting?🤣
 

Rgv Chick, thanks for setting up the page. Kirby, thanks for the recap.

I like Angelique and I like Michel, so I had to tune in last night. Alexis Ayala looking pretty good last night as a normal guy.

ITA Lucia didn't seem to be in on the hit of her brand-new husband. Wondering what she thought her boyfriend was up to with this whole setup.

So instead of two men making a body switch, they'll be three? This could get too complicated for me, but I'll give it a week to see how it goes.

Justice certainly moved fast in Texas. El Chino (wondering where that nickname came from) didn't spend much time on death row before his execution. Normally, it takes years.
 

Still so irritated that it's not an English closed caption I love Angelique Boyer she's a great actress don't know if I'll be able to watch and follow without the closed captioning going to have to go to Telemundo because they do English closed captioning
 

so basically what will happen is that el chino will use Beltran's body as a camouflage to get revenge on his enemies which in this case is "el alacran." What will happen is that El chino in Beltran's body, will start to take an affection towards Beltran's son (javier) who is sick. So el chino's family will be taken care of by leon in el chino's body but el chino (beltran) will then try to recuperate his family while gaining affection towards beltran's family. Im guessing that's how it goes from what i've seen from the trailer and promos. will be a good epsiode tonight.

gc
 

Lee Marie, sorry that you may not be able to watch. We try to provide as much info as possible to let everyone know what is going on.

GC, your guess is as good as mine! We appreciate your comments and info, but please be reminded that discussion of previews, trailers and spoilers are dissuaded since not everyone is privvy to that info and we don't want to "spoil" anyone's anticipation of seeing an episode or show for the first time. Thank you for your cooperation and looking forward to your future comments.

I am looking forward to seeing the entire show tonight!
 

Niecie, glad that you are joining the patio! There are 3 men involved but only two souls/bodies will be reincarnated. Leon's (AAyala) body will no longer be seen.
 

my bad wont happen again xD, im just to excited for this show, it's something different from the traditional TN.
 

Macarena and Barbara Lopez...? Woof! I'm in.
 

Who the heck would name their kid macarena? Roflmao
 

Hello everyone, its been awhile. I wasnt interested in any of the previous more recent novelas. I think this is gonna be good. I immediately checked caray to see if it was going to be covered.

Judging from comments, looks like a lot of interest. Someone posted that it reminded them of Cuerpo de Deseo. Me too!! That is novella that started my enjoyment of novellas. Except for vioent drug ones.
Thanks for posting this column, it is appreciated!
 

Leticia, certainly glad to have you join in...welcome back to Caray!! And yes, I am pleasantly surprised with the amount of interest this TN is generating....and to think that posting this discussion page was just an afterthought!! Shoulda know better!

Just to remind everyone that if anyone is interested in providing a recap, summary, highlights...whatever you want to call it, please let me know. Maybe we can get enough daring writers to set up a schedule :-)

Anon 7:52, maybe Macarena's parents were really into the macarena dance LOL teeheehee
 

Episode 2, Part 1: It’s MEEE, but Where Am I??

Lupita and Juliana go in to see Chico, but Chico asks who they are and wonders what is happening. He tells them his name is Leon Carvajal.

Meanwhile at the execution room, the doc asks how many volts were used. They investigate and the men are sure that Chino’s heart stopped. They then see the black moth and comment that it signifies death.

Professor Beltran lectures in his class when he gets a call from his wife, Alicia.

ChiLeon walks out of the room and everyone wonders why he is acting so strangely.

Beltran and Alicia are with a doctor and tell him they are willing to sign whatever is needed to save their son’s life. The doctor tells them that their insurance doesn’t cover the cost of the transplant that their son needs.

ChiLeon continues to argue as he is lead to a police car.

Beltran and Alicia are in the car arguing. Beltran tells her that he can get a loan from the university but it still won’t be enough. He assures Alicia that he will do something but she tells him he always says the same thing, but he never does anything. As they argue they crash and the car falls off the cliff. Alicia gets out and starts yelling for help after she checks to see if Beltran is alive. As she climbs up the hill the car explodes; so she goes back down to check for her husband but when she turns around, she sees him up the hill. She calls out to him, but he is keeps saying he is Chino Valdez.

The media waits for Leon’s family as they arrive home. Johnny stays outside and tells them he is the Carbajal’s rep and hopes they are understanding of the family. It is a day of mourning mot just for the family and him, but for all of Mexico since Leon was hoping to be the next president. He then tells security to make sure the media leaves.

Later, Johnny goes to Lucia who cries that he sent Leon to be killed. She can’t believe it. They go inside and she grabs and shakes Johnny…killing Leon was not something they had agreed on. Johnny tries to tell her that she needs to try to understand. She wants to yell, but he tells her to listen to him. This is not t to panic...he knows she can’t understand right now. He then tells her that she is everything is his life. Lucia still can’t believe what he did. She doesn’t know how he will handle all of this, but he’d better start NOW!!

Belino arrives home. Alicia explains to their son that they were in an accident and his father doesn’t remember some things.

In SA-there is a news report about a hurricane that is approaching Texas. The guards take ChiLeon into the building as he tries to get them to listen to him...until he sees himself in the mirror.

 

Episode 2, Part 2: It’s MEEE, but Where Am I??

Amparo, the maid, brings Belino a sweater and tells him to rest. Alicia calls out to Beltran, but Belino tells her to stop calling him that. He sees himself in the mirror and wonders what the heck is going on.

In SA, ChiLeon tries to calm himself but yells out in a panic. Meanwhile, Alacran finds out that Chino is alive; and the cops wonder what they should do with Chino since he came back to life.

Leon asks for help in English. Juliana wonders why he speaks in English if he has never learned it.

In Mexico, Guillermo asks Val how she is. She thinks everything seems to be surreal. Eva approaches and Guil tells them their father had many enemies. Eva vows to find the person responsible and will make him pay.

Alicia is on phone and is afraid of what her husband may do. Belino has left and is somewhere asking a man where he is. When the man tells him he is in Mexico, Belino is perplexed and looks around as the black moth stops on his leg. An old woman then approaches and tells him it was the moth of death.

ChiLeon gets a visit from the judge’s e lawyer who tells him he will make sure he goes back to the electric chair.

Lucia cries (out of guilt??) as she holds Leon’s picture.

Johnny tells the Carvajals that he will take care of the funeral arrangements. He will be there to support them and do whatever is needed. The Inspector arrives…he understands their grief but he needs to ask questions…the president wants this investigated ASAP. The cops investigated the waiter and they think he was hired. When he asks if they suspect anyone, Lucia comes out and says yes; the suspect is among them…she should be their primary suspect…right???

ChiLeon asks the attorney how he can send him to the electric chair for something he didn’t do. The guards approach and tell the attorney that Chino is to be released since they can’t punish him again for the same crime. The attorney loses it and grabs the guy…waste of energy.

Belino goes to a bar and has some beers. When Alicia calls him, she tells him everything will be fine and he needs to return home, but Belino has no idea where that is. Octavio gets the phone and tells Belino that he is his friend from the university, but Belino tells him he never attended a university.

In SA, the hurricane approaches. Leon is being driven home by Romero so he asks where they are. Romero tells him they are in SA, but there is a mandatory evacuation…he will leave him at his home. When ChiLeon tries to get out of the moving car, Romero pulls a gun on him and threatens that he will kill him if he leaves.

Alacran talks to his boss. The Boss is worried that the USB has all his info; so Alacran assures him he will get the suitcase back with all the money and the USB.

Romero takes ChiLeon home where Lupita and Juliana wait for him. When they get there, Romero tells them that his client is on the way.

 

Episode 2, Part 3: It’s MEEE, but Where Am I??

Octavio and Alicia go looking for Belino. Alicia blames herself for what happened since she was arguing with him while driving. Meanwhile, Belino goes to another club and looks at his ID as a girl comes over. She tells him how much she charges…depending on how much money he has, they can go to a more private place.

ChiLeon looks at himself again in the mirror. Lupita comes in and gives him a beer as she notices the black butterfly tattoo and wonders where he got it.

Belino is with the pro who is trying to make him feel comfortable. When she sees the black butterfly tattoo, she moves back and leaves because she won’t mess with that which he has on his back.

ChiLeon asks if he can sit down to listen to the news. The reporter talks about the miracle of his resurrection. Lupita see the reporters arrive…they aren’t going to leave them alone. The goons then arrive and see all the reporters. Inside, Lupita warns ChiLeon that Alacaran is about to arrive and will want everything he took from him.

At the Carvajal house, Lucia is in the bedroom and never thought this would end like this. Eva walks in and asks if she is packing to leave, but Lucia is unpacking everything. When Eva accuses her of killing her father so she can stay with everything, Lucia tells her that even she (Eva) is a suspect since she was so against the marriage. Eva’s husband comes in followed by Camilo who tells Eva that this bedroom and house belong to Lucia. Eva storms out.

In SA, the hurricane is full force, but the reporters are still outside the ChiLeon’s trailer. A female reporter asks that ChiLeon open the door, but ChiLeon opens a window. The reporter goes back and reports in that no one opened the door. Meanwhile, ChiLeon, Juliana and Lupita manage to climb out of the window and escape.

In Mexico, Belino walks around aimlessly. Some medium is talking to a man and dismisses him because she is no longer getting any vibes from beyond. Belino walks in and asks for her help...to explain to him why he is trapped in another man’s body.

Alacran and his goons show up to the trailer and see that ChiLeon is gone. He shoots the guy who was supposed to be keeping an eye on ChiLeon for being inept.

The medium tells Belino that his soul has been split in two. He tells her that he is not from Mexico; he is from the USA where he was taken to the electric chair…he needs to know what happened. The medium tells him she has never encountered a situation like this. She talks to the spirits, but Belino gets impatient. The medium then uses the Ouija board that spells out something that I didn’t get, but the medium tells him that sometimes souls get stuck. He doesn’t believe her and leaves.

At the funeral, Lucia approaches the casket as does Johnny who tells her that she needs to play the part well. Lucia tells her she is supposed to be the saddest widow not the stupidest.

In SA, ChiLeon tell the girls to keep going, but Juliana doesn’t want to stay with them since he is a murderer. She tells them to go on their own and runs off when a utility pole almost falls on her. ChiLeon runs to her and she is fine; so they continue running because the bad guys are catching up.

At the funeral, Lucia walks around. Johnny comes to her and she tells him to leave her alone for at least a little while . He reminds her that she needs to play the part as Lucia feels that everyone is watching her.

 

Thank you si much kirby
 

You are welcome Shay. Woof. Oops was that out loud?
Thank you RGV. So when Santa Muerte does her magic, she leaves a black moth tattoo on the beneficiary's neck.
So Beltran (Bel/Chino) just puts on a jacket, and heads out to have an adventure with that club paw and bloody shirt?
After a near or maybe post death experience I always like a hot shower, a shave, and a fresh shirt. But I'm picky.

To summarize, so I am on the same page as everyone, we had three dead men, two of whose bodies are being recycled, so to speak. IE: there is one corpse to actually be planted, Leon Carvajal. And one Spirit unaccounted for --- Beltran's.

But Leon C's Spirit and mind is now in the Chino--hit man body, and the Chino--hit man's Spirit is in the Beltran body. That leaves the Beltran Spirit, unaccounted for, or lost, so to speak. I wonder how it will amuse itself.

Ya know, I am already seeing how Santa Muerte is gaining on the Catholics and Baptists. I mean, did the Baptists ever even decide that dancing is OK?

Well, I am relieved that Lucia was not in on the murder. But the little Ho did go and meet and marry Leon all the while in an ongoing romantic relationship with his manservant Johnny. She seems to be truly sorry that her new hubby is dead though. Overlooking the obvious, I wonder why? I mean, we saw that she was still lighting up the sheets with Johnny. Oh well, women, I'll never figure them out. She had better watch her back with Eva. Now that she can talk she could be a handful.
 

Oh yeah, Kirby, what DID happen to Beltran’s spirit?? Maybe iit went into whatever animal Maria’s father has caged up now (LBYLB) or maybe it’s still floating around looking for a body...so y’all be careful tonight....

HAPPY HALLOWEEN!! 👻
 

i found the scene where the servant gives beltran his glasses and he's like wtf? and then throws the glasses ha. I don't understand how el chino didn't notice he was in a different body,beltran is fking tall and is left handed.. that's just novelas for you.
also the ouija board said that el chino (beltran) "no podia irse todavia" which means he couldn't leave yet because he had problems that he hadn't resolved.

funny reference to LBYLB, rgv, also abt LBYLB, i just wanted to say the Arturo Barba purposefully made look as if he was in love with bela which was a sick move by him bc he wasn't(obviously).

gc
 

Thanks, gc. When they were using the ouija bed, I didn’t hear the “ir” in irse so it didn’t make sense that it would say ‘no puede ser”
 

Thanks for the recap Rgv Chick. Was really looking forward to watching this today but for some reason it didn't record. Bummed. The reincarnation theory is really confusing but I'm willing to go with the flow. My theory on why Lucia was truly distraught---Léon is the first man who truly seemed to care for her, not just haul her off to bed. Given what her mother was like, and the men after that, she has never known what it was like to be valued for more than sex. Never tenderness nor kindness. So she saw Léon as the protector she never had. That's powerful. And now he's gone.

Or is he? Anyway, I think I've fixed the recording problem so at least I'll be able to view tonight's episode.
 

JudyB, very insightful theory...you are probably right. Though Lucia was scamming Leon, she probably did regard him as the only man who showed her the respect and kindness she had never experienced. I'm sure she knows that Johnny is just using her too; and I hope that her remark about not being stupid is true..she needs to find a way to get out of his grips before her soul is taken too.
 

The VERY astute RVG said: " find a way to get out of his grips before her soul is taken too.'

I have some suggestions.
1. Cut him off if you understand the colloquial drift of that.
2. Rat him out, as that doofy looking detective already smells a rat.
3. At all costs, make friends with the children of the deceased..scratch that ...body snatcher, as WE know he is not dead. Especially Eva who saw through her from the getgo.
4. When LeonChi shows up, fill him in and get his help.

WAIT, RGV what have you named him? Chileon..no that doesn't sound right...sounds like a suburb.
 

OK looked it up. The L is capitalized. My bad. Still sounds like a Country's name made into a verb. But it is good.
"You gonna kick the ball or scratch your butt? Whatever, Chile-0n." :-)
 

Despite Leon apparently being so in love and respectful of Lucia, maybe she never loved him back because she felt like she was a token to him too? Being attractive, younger and lower class, she used all she could to use him, so she closed off the possibility of loving him because she likely felt he was like all the other rich and powerful men?

Even if Lucia knows that Jonny is using her, would it matter to her at all if she loves him anyway?

At least we got the background info on the black butterfly/black moth symbolism. The myth exists in Guatemala too.
 

BTW, that medium with the Ouija board was as fake as...nevermind....she had a foot switch under the table. Did anybody else notice that? She was using it when the fellow right before Belino showed up.

But the Ouiji board looked real.

GC, yes, but Lucia really looked hurt. She was crying real tears when no one was watching. She was still sleeping with Johnny, but there was something there with Leon too. Maybe it was 'The Life' with him more than him, really, or maybe she sorta did love him, but was dishonest enough to want to keep the sex with Johnny too. Cake and eat it? Wouldn't be the first human who thought that way.
 

Very OT: First Bald Eagle shot of the season for me. Most of our Florida Eagles go North for the Summer and return right before Halloween to nest and raise young. I had been checking under my favorite nest and yesterday finally saw some white droppings on the ground.

So I went back early this morning, as they are normally on or near the nest right after daybreak, and right before sundown, and there was my favorite big birds. Not a spectacular shot, but the morning sun surely makes his beak look good.
 

Kirby, I vote for #1 especially since I get the colloquial drift :-)

I never thought about it, but yes. ChiLeon does sound like a country...and Chile-On...well I won't get into that one! LOL

Anon 1:19/gc?, maybe you are right about Lucia not really loving Leon, but as Kirby pointed out, her tears and sobs were real when she was in the bedroom; so her distress stemmed from something other than guilt. I can't think of an exact English translation of "cariño"..to me that term is much more than caring and that is what I think Lucia had for Leon...plus the fact that she must have felt very safe and secure with him and the lifestyle he offered her. It brings to mind her flashback when she got out of the limousine and the cameras started flashing...what a change from the camera that was used when she was first photographed for porn...

I certainly don't think Lucia luuurves Johnny...maybe infatuation, loyalty and or gratitude if her got her out of the slumps...and slums...
 

Kirby, amazing shot! glad to see the majestic eagles again!
 

Hi all.

Looks like I'm missing out. This is on too late for me but am happy to see that there are so many comments and that RgvChick and Kirby have posted their always helpful and well written recaps.

Beautiful rose and spectacular eagle. The sky is the perfect backdrop - the intensity of the eagle's gaze is mesmerizing.

Diana
 

Thanks Rgv Chick!

Seriously if Eva wanted to kill anyone, or hire a hitman to kill someone, she'd more likely want Lucia dead, not her father.

I'm still trying to figure out this swapping bodies/souls thing lol the scene with the medium was interesting though.
 

OT: Diana, another shot from this morning. I have been under their nest so much, I feel like these Eagles recognize me, or maybe my motorcycle. As I was getting the camera focused, this one just looked straight into the lens. I don't know if he was glad to see me after all these months, or if it was bathroom time and he was aiming. :-)
 

I don't believe I've ever seen an eagle staring as itently and directly at anyone as he is at you Kirby.

He definitely recognizes you, now he needs to figure out what you are doing.

You definitely have the skills! Nice. Very nice.

Thank you!

Diana
 

OT: BTW, for those of you unfamiliar with what we are doing with the avatars, it is a sneaky way to share pictures.

IE: If you click on my avatar it takes you to my profile page, but then...if you click on the avatar thumbnail again it blows up to something you can really see some detail in. There will also be right and maybe left arrows to look at previous avatar pictures.

kj
 

Tf. ITA, if Eva were to order a hit on someone, it would certainly be Lucia. Maybe this will help to clear up the body/soul switching...there are 3 men involved: Leon, Chino, and Beltran

Leon's body: six feet under
Leon's Soul -> Chino's body
Chino's Soul -> Beltran's Body
Beltran's Soul: Lost in the universe

Diana, glad you dropped in; whether you watch the TN or not, you are always welcome :-)

 

Rgv Chick, thanks for the recap.

Kirby, ITA going to a strip club wearing a freshly bloodied shirt is loco. Crazy that the lap dancer didn't get spooked by that, but drew the line at a black moth.

Wondering if El Chino's wife is going to fall in love with her reincarnated hitman husband. Now that Leon's in his body, this husband is certainly more caring with the wife and daughter.

Anonymous@10:06 Tuesday, thanks for the cast list.
 

Thanks for the rundown of the switching, Rgv! Wonder if Beltran's soul is meant to end up somewhere.
 

Niecie, a few of these gals could be in for a real surprise with the same ...looooking.... husband, but new improved (?) brain.
Like when the wife comes home with a radically different (sexy) hairdo, and you feel so decadent that night, but it is all legal.

I suppose the original brains/Spirits may be drawn to their former spouses though, which will add thirty-eleven more levels of convolution.
 

Hey all--
This is just to let you know that I've started watching Amar. I haven't cared for Angelique (I guess I'm in the minority), but I have to concede she is delivering a very believable performance here. Kudos to her.

I couldn't remember why Camilo looked familiar. I had to look him up. He was Octavio in Reina de Corazones. Wow!

This is such a nice forum, but I don't know how much time I will have to pop in and participate regularly.
 

Niecie, it would be interesting if Lupita fell in love with the new and improved Chino, and it would be even more interesting if he returned the interest.

Anita, glad you could stop by. Whatever time you have to pop in will be appreciated and welcomed. I've never seen Angelique in anything, but she does seem to be doing a great job portraying this character.

I was just thinking--Chino is the only one whose body AND soul are still walking around. I'm just wondering what would happen if the body and soul finally came together at some point in time. What would happen to Leon's soul and Beltran's body?????????
 

Who would name their child Macarena? Well, a lot of devout Catholics, especially in Seville, Spain, where the Virgin of Hope of Macarena (Virgen de la Esperanza de Macarena de Sevilla), popularly known as the Virgin of Macarena or simply La Macarena, is venerated. There are people all over Europe and Latin America name Macarena.
Having said that, I spent the third episode wondering why Chino/Lalo doesn't shave off that pinche beard. He would be a lot harder to recognize and to track down. If I remember right, Michel Brown was a handsome guy without a beard in Pasion de Gavilanes.

 

Did they really have to give leon's character the most unattractive alias ever? Jacobo? Can you imagine Lucia saying his name? Jacobo, really?

My theory is that Beltran is going to become a hitman and be hired to kill Jacobo at some point in the novela, at which point we'll find out what happens when the body and soul meet.
 

Lydia, I had never heard of that virgen, thanks for enlightening us. One thing about Caray, there is always something new to learn.

Anon 11:51, the English translation of Jacobo sounds a lot better, doesn’t it? :-)
 

I love all this cultural information also. Thanks Lydia.
 

After the third episode, I'm hooked. This is a great fantasy novela, and although it's based on El Cuerpo Del Deseo, which aired on Telemundo in 2005, the differences in this remake makes it totally different in some ways. The plot deviates so much from the original. I also don't mind the name "Jacobo", it's a pretty common, biblical name in both english and spanish. Although lots of Jacobs are nicknamed "Jake." I hope Amar A Muerte ends up getting recapped here. Angelique is doing great as Lucia. This type of gray, complex, sassy protagonist is right up her alley. It's the first time in years she has not starred in a novela with her real life boyfriend (Sebastian Rulli who was in PATM earlier this year) and although they're great together, it's good that they are also doing novelas separately again.

-MD
 

Episode 3, Part 1: (Un)Reality Sinks in and the Loose End Takes a Dive

In SA, The hurricane continues to blast in as Leonchi and the girls run. Lupita falls so Leonchi picks her up and throws her over his shoulder...strong man...ay, ay, ay!.

Mex-Beltino continues walking at looks at his reflection on a car window and asks who that is. Poor window takes in all of Beltino’s anguish.

Camilo talks to Lucia. He can’t imagine how she is feeling...nope, he has no idea! He lost a great friend...and what bothers him most is how Leon died. Lucia thinks Leon is in heaven…(a place she will never see).

SA-LeonChi continues to walk with Lupita over his shoulder as Juls worries that Lu doesn’t wake up. They hide as the goons arrive at the warehouse and search.

Mex-At the funeral, the inspector tells Lucia that she is definitely the primary suspect. He doesn’t have enough evidence to arrest her, but he is investigating. When he asks her to go meet with him later, Lucia tells him she will help him find the true killer.

Guil watches Val take a swig of liquor and goes to ask her to stop drinking. Guil likes to think that their father is still with them and soon will send some type of sign….ooh they will surely get a sign! Val is drunk as a skunk and yells at everyone to get out.

Octavio and Alicia get a message that Javier has a fever again. As they get home, Beltino arrives saying that he found the address on the phone.

SA-Leonchi and girls get to a motel and get a room. Lupita asks how he knows English, so he tells them he has been bilingual all his life…he reminds them that he is not who they think he is. He was getting married in Mexico and suddenly found himself there.

Mex-Octavio makes some remark and Belchino beats him enough to require an ambulance.

In SA-Leonchi remembers being stabbed. He doubles over and Lupita wonders what happened.

Alicia chides Leonchi for beating up Octavio…they have been friends for a long time. She asks what is going on with him as Beltino walks off. Javier then asks him why he beat up Octavio, his friend; so Beltino tells him he has no friends and no one mocks him. Alicia wants the doctors to check Beltino because he is not well.

SA-Lupita and Juls watch the reports about the hurricane. They think the hurricane has destroyed their home. Leonchi listens as they then hear about the murder of Leon Carvajal. Meanwhile, Alacran orders the goons to continue searching. Leon watches as Lucia is in the news; the reporter says that everyone wonders what will happen to the Carvajal empire. Meanwhile, again, Alacran goes to the motel and questions a receptionist about Chino. He sees the black butterfly on the wall and shoots it….not good for him! He tells her to tell Chino that he is looking for him.
 

Episode 3, Part 2: (Un)Reality Sinks in and the Loose End Takes a Dive

Leonchi continues to watch the news as Lupita goes out of the room. Leonchi sees someone outside. Lupita walks down the hall when someone grabs her. We are made to think it is the goons, but nopis, it’s Leonchi who takes her back to the room.
At the funeral, Lucia approaches the casket as the inspector arrives. He talks to Mateo, Eva’s husband, and asks what he thinks of Lucia. Mateo replies that she is very intelligent fragile and very pretty. Inspector wonders if she married for love. Mateo makes it clear that he doesn’t want to mix his profession and family.

SA-Juls sees the goons leave; so Leonchi goes out. When Leonchi wonders why the receptionist didn’t give him up, she tells him that she knows Alacran well and knows that he would have killed him. Juls then finds a note from Leonchi. He has to leave and go back to his home. They need to be careful and keep safe. He hates to tell them again, but he is not El Chino.

Mex-Johnny meets with a baldheaded man and tells him that the man he recommended did very well, but he has one more person to deal with… Baldheaded man flies out the window bald head first and splats on the sidewalk. Later Johnny walks out of the building with a smirk.

SA-Leonchi walks and sees dead man keeled over a fence… he steals his money.

Beltino is in bed while Alicia takes a shower. He looks at his hands then gets up and sees his reflection; he grunts. He makes a call to a phone that is in water??? Alicia comes out and he sees her stark nekked; so he grabs her and pushes her onto the bed. Outside, Amparo listens to the heavy breathing and smiles, then stops Javi from going into the bedroom…his parents are exercising.

SA-Leonchi goes to a bar asks for whiskey. He tells the bartender that he is looking for someone to cross him over to Mexico and pays the guy to find someone to help him. Leochi then sees Lucia on TV being referred to as the widow of Mexico. He calls her but she quickly hangs up when he tells her. “It’s me.”

Mex-Lucia is with the inspector who asks if she recognized the voice on the phone. She didn’t; so he tells her to get used to getting calls like that. She should also prepare to have persons claim to be long-lost relatives…or even children of Leon. He starts interrogating her and asks how she met Leon, but she tells him he can find that info in magazines. He asks her if she knows how much money Leon had. When she replies this it is not enough to kill someone for, he asks if she knows who would kill for that much money.

Santos arrives at the bar…he is going to help Leonchi cross.

Mex-A worker give his condolences to Mateo and asks that he give his condolences to the family. Mateo is there writing an article about his father-in-law…how he lived. He sees Johnny up above and waves. After Mateo leaves, Johnny has a flashback about Leon telling him about powerful it is to stand there and see what he has accomplished…Leon wants his children to stand where he is standing so that they can see what he sees. Johnny assures him that he will help them.
 

Episode 3, Part 3: (Un)Reality Sinks in and the Loose End Takes a Dive

TX-Leonchi talks to Santos; he wants to cross today. Santos wonders who he is hiding from or who he killed since he wants to go back to Mexico...but he can help get him the docs he needs to cross over. Santos then recognizes him as the man who came back to life, but still agrees to help Leonchi.

Mex-Eva talks to Guil and Val. She doesn’t want Lucia to stay with the company. They need to be united and fight for what is theirs. She is planning a business meeting and wants them to attend. Eva then warns Guil to be cautious because there will be women after him now that he will get his inheritance.

Lucia goes to see Johnny. He asks how it went with the inspector; so she tells him that she thinks she convinced the inspector that she is not a murderer. When she asks if he is sure he didn’t leave any evidence, Johnny assures her that he has gotten rid of the last loose end….SPLAT!

TX- Santos takes Leonshi out near the border where a group is praying to the Santa Muerte.

Mex-Belchi is with the doc who is going to take an xray so they can figure out if anything happened internally during the accident. Alicia is out in the hall telling the nurse that Beltino is different, but she ain’t complainin’ too much. In way it’s bad, but then it’s also good because he has woken feelings she hadn’t had in looong time. During the x-ray, Beltino recalls burying the money.

TX-Leonchi asks Santos if he believes in reincarnation. Santos replies by telling him why he started crossing people over…he witnessed a man drowning and he doesn’t want that to happen again. After they talk about reincarnation, Santos shows Leonchi that he has the same tattoo on his neck. Tum-tee-tum-tum…So did he get the soul of the man who drowned???

In SA, Alacran shows up at the bar. He is looking for Lupita since she works there. The manager tells him Lupita hasn’t been there for several days; so Alacran starts shooting up the place to make the manager talk…he even shoots him in the leg…OUCH!. Just then, Beltino calls Lupe’s workplace and asks for her. One of the goons answers and Alacran gets the phone; he tells Beltino that they are there looking for his wife; he threatens to kill Lupita unless he returns what is theirs. Beltino then goes out and tells the doc that he is Macario Valdez, El Chino, but the doc tells him to go home and wait for the test results.

Santos gives Leonchi a fake ID…his new name is Jacobo Reyes…yuppers…HACK-OBO!
 

MD, I'm pretty much hooked too! I really don't mind the name Jacobo either...I've heard worse :-)

Recaps will be dependent on how much time I have and any volunteers who are willing to recap...even if once in awhile. Recaps don't have to be long...a short summary or highlights will suffice and be appreciated. If anyone would like to give it a try, leave a short message as soon as you can after the episode airs :-)
 

RE; "If anyone would like to give it a try, leave a short message as soon as you can after the episode airs" Leaving a short message BEFORE the episode airs would even be better :-)
 

RGVCHICK: I'M back from vacation and would like to help you and Kirby with some recapping. I have to catch up 4 episodios but could help with Fridays since I'm on a different work schedule now. Email me at username at gmail. Will check in with Melinama.
 

Jardinera654, welcome back and THANK YOUUUU!!
 

when she said they were exercising xDDDDDD i died

pretty sure Javier's (beltran's son) surgery will be paid for with the money el chino(now beltran) stole from el alacran.

gc
 

Thank you Rgv!

This does seem like a El Cuerpo Del Deseo spiritual successor(no pun intended!). The main girl isn't a typical prota girl. It has a greasy dog faced lover and a rather savage protagonist . Leon even has a secret camera room!!

What I kind of don't understand is what happens if one of the soul hoarders dies. What happens to their bodies? Do all of them die instantly or something?

Is the Death character there for plot armor? Or is it just bored and wants to mess everyone for giggles? Will it wear a Santa Claus hat and ring a bell when anyone dies? Find out in the next episode of Death Trolls Us All!
 

gc, I hadn't thought about it, but yes, once Beltino gets acclimated to his new body and extended family that could certainly be a possibility.

CountxAlacran, glad to see you here! I was wondering the same thing about what happens if the soul hoarder dies or if the soul gets sucked into the netherworld. "Death Trolls Us All"...good one!
 

Woo---Hooo---when Leonchi figures out what JohnnyTurd and LucyHo have done to him, there will probably be enough shooting, stabbing, beating and burning to make even me hoppy.

Thanks RGV

Jardinera, really? Wonderful. Yipee Kai yea !
 

Thanks, Rgv Chick.

Jardinera, nice to see you here. Glad you will join Rgv Chick and Kirby in covering this one.
 

Ditto...delighted that Jardinera is jumping on board. And really, this sounds like one that UA would enjoy. Wonder if she is watching this.

Thanks for getting the ball rolling Rgv Chick and keeping it going. Right now this is very interesting. The relationship between Lucia and her spouse, and Lucia and Johnny is complex to say the least. I wonder what the original plan was since she spent a lot of time complaining that Johnny went off script.

But so far, so good. And I thought the suspense, when you were led to believe that the villains would get Chino's daughter, and instead it was Chino-Leon keeping her safe was an excellent touch. The whole motel hide-out thing was very angst-making. At least for this Wuss!