Saturday, November 24, 2018
Amar A Muerte, 11/23/18, Episode 17: In Pursuit Of An Answer
Carla, León and El Chino, are each in their own way seeking an answer for their return to the living.
*Lucia, frustrated and confused about her feelings decides to use Alirio as her chauffeur today. She tells the head of security to keep Jacobo occupied doing other things today.
*Lucia, frustrated and confused about her feelings decides to use Alirio as her chauffeur today. She tells the head of security to keep Jacobo occupied doing other things today.
- Downtown at the police station, Fabian and his P.I. arrive and get to meet with Montilla. The P.I. asks for a chance to look through their fingerprint data base to find an "escaped" assassin who is on Interpol's top 10. (Viewerville keeps screaming at the T.V. that the man has already been caught and cooked once for this crime!) Fabian and the P.I. get Montilla's permission.
- Valerio reminds Belchin' that he first has to get the special ingredients for the ritual and then warns him that it is possible the two of them will lose their lives.
- At the newspaper, all the journalists are crying or sobbing over Gastón's death. Matteo delivers a less than arousing "chin-up" speech encouraging the writers to never forget their true mission in life is to get to the bottom of things and yell it out to the powers that be no matter what the consequences. Otherwise Gastóns life would have been in vein. Once over, Susana comes over to give him an atta-boy hug that Eva should have given him. They look for more scooped poop on Alacrán in Gastóns files to continue the story with.
- At the same time, Johny is watching this through his editor's office window and has a sit-down with one of the company lawyers who sits on the board with him and Eva. The attorney agrees there is pure chaos at Carvajal with Eva in charge. He asks the man to give a vote of no confidence against Eva and support him to be in charge of the company as "none of León Carvajal's kids has enough experience to run a company this large."
- Johny goes out to Mateo and Susana to wish Mat the best in following up with the remainder of Gastón's notes and contacts.
- Speaking of the queen of the May, she's gone back to El Alacrán's digs to give him another piece of her mind--well, it turns out just to give him another piece, period. After another steamy roll in the sheets Eva does scream at Al about the murder. He reminds her it was either Gastón takes it in the shorts or he would have had to. She gets cleaned up and heads to the funeral.
- Barbara buys another crystal ball, but this time, Lady Death puts a real spell on it so that someone with true shamanistic characteristics can use it to really seek mystical truths and answers. Once back at her apartment, when Barb has to leave the room, it turns out that little Santiago is a chip off the old abuelo's block as he can make that ball come "alive".
- Meanwhile, Renata and Guillermo are waiting in the hospital to see how the liquor store worker's surgery turns out. Guille gets a call from the psychopath who shot the man during the robbery. Guille tells him he cannot get over the fact that the dude hasn't a care and puts the blame on Guille. He warns Psycho Boy that they could be going to jail for this. "--You tell me now that your life isn't less boring that before!"
- At the manse, Valentina comes out and is ready to go to the funeral. She strikes up a conversation with Jacobo --or rather vice verse-- and he takes her to the cemetery for Gastóns funeral. On the way they chat and have a good time. Again she tells him that he has the same likes and sense of humor as her dad, who unfortunately, never had any time for her.
- Lupita and Julietta have a chat on the way to the park; Lupi remarks that the lawyer who got El Chino condemned to die in the electric chair was in the DF and sitting at a table at her cantina the night before. Why hide from him if she's done nothing wrong. "--Because he's means to fry your daddy a second time!"
- While driving on the way to the cemetery, Val sees Julietta trying to hit people up to buy lottery tickets. Val has Jake stop and she gets out to kibbitz a bit and gossip with Jules. They decide to have coffee together while Jake waits at the corner. Jules strains to see the driver across the way but really cannot get a good view of him.
- While the girls chat about themselves, Camilo calls Jake to come meet Carla who has come to get some answers and, Viewerville supposes, some therapy. Jake begs off since he's got to get Val to and from the funeral.
- Fabian and his P.I. don't get the information they need as the policewoman in charge of looking things up remembers Cam's bribe to keep his friend on the down-low. She tells them there isn't anyone in their directory with those prints.
- While Belchin and Valerio are in the mercado looking for ritual ingredients, a bum accosts Belchin' and tells him his death is very near. He wants Belchin' to take him with him. Lady Death spies the bum and shuts him down with a single look.
- Back at the hospital, Guille and Ren learn that the man's operation was a success and he'll live; they nearly kiss when they hug each other for joy. A bit later they learn that the man will be stuck in a wheelchair for life.
- At Cam's, Carla relates her story. She was addicted to gambling. She ruined herself and her marriage. When she ran out of money she sold her car, her furniture, her house. Her husband divorced her and took the child. She burned herself alive after that.
- Eva arrives late to the funeral. She argues with Mat about the danger involved if he continues on with Gastón's research. She harrumphs off and calls Guille to scold him for not being there to show his respect for the murdered employee. (For once Viewerville agrees with Eva. He could leave with enough time to get to the funeral and just leave Ren there for a bit.) He tells her to go pound sand.
- At the waterfall on the nearby river, Valerio is creating his circle of protection. Belchin' remembers a time he brought his family to a spot like this.
- Back at the funeral in the cemetery, Mat and Johny gripe at the detective that someone is picking them off one by one and he needs to give them some protection.
- Jake takes time after the service to ask why Lucia switched chauffeurs this morning. Was it because she was feeling tempted? She says nope. She was simply having fun provoking him since he felt she couldn't fall for a man of his [lowly] station. He asks why she wouldn't take advantage. She begs his pardon and he quickly switches gears and says she should take advantage of her being so near her husband's grave site. She snidely tells him she'll visit her husband's grave when SHE decides, not before and storms away.
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Cold shower for Leonchino. It will be hard for Lucía to avoid temptation.
Lilly
Lilly
Permalink posted by 
: Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 9:31:00 AM EST
: Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 9:31:00 AM EST
Thanks mucho Jardinera. So this 'procedure' could possibly kill Belch and Valium? I suppose he wants his Grandson back badly enough to risk it, knowing he is dealing with a stone cold killer.
It was telling when stick leggs climbed into the FRONT seat with Jacobo like a regular human.
Fav line: To give him a piece of her mind, then forgets about the 'of her mind' part.
It was telling when stick leggs climbed into the FRONT seat with Jacobo like a regular human.
Fav line: To give him a piece of her mind, then forgets about the 'of her mind' part.
Thanks for the latest plants in your Jardin, Jardinera.
"little Santiago is a chip off the old abuelo's block and he can make that ball come "alive"." Thanks for that insight, I had missed it. So Brujeria is hereditary. I got a laugh when the 2nd class Bruja told him to leave the ball alone, leaving the room; at which admonition, Esquinck immediately got up & went to the ball.
Maybe if Jacobo-in-Chino kisses Carla, since they both have the moth growth at nape of neck; there will be some kind of explosion or a display of electricity & fire.
Moral of story is that whenever one is out shopping, one shud look for people who have the blotch at the nape of the neck, The Witch Moth Blotch, which moth Mexicans call Marisposa de muerte. BTW, what happens if you squash the moth? Flyswatter? Flying Insect spray?
Chief differencs between this telenovela & El Cuerpo del Desea are
1) Little or no comedy.
The author of ECDD, Julio Jiménez, as in La Viuda de Blanco, wrote a funny comedy which suddently turns tragic near the end -- no longer comedy! IMHO it is a very effective way to write.
2) Big occult hocus pocus (In ECDD the supernatural was mostly inexplicable force in the background which caused a spirit migration at death with rare attempts by the spirit of the stolen body to grab his body back, done successfully a few times for a short period. The witch was a fake witch charlatan.)
3) El Cuerpo was Mario Cimarro who exuded arrogance & dominating-female-subjective power so women could not stop themselves from acting out the provoked lust when he was around. El Cuerpo was extremely dominating over women. Thus far Leon-in-Chino is no Cuerpo, & we can blame the lust on Lucia. Is that believable? Would a girl who was daily raped by repulsive men as a teenager (as her mother pimped her out), act like a nymphomaniac after she escaped? The more parallel relationship is seen in AAM with the gangster capo's attractive force over Eva. Are Eva & her actions believable?
As we see the friendship between Leon-in-Chino & Leon's daughter (who climbed in front seat), we may see Lucia get jealous.
Is what we are seeing in AAM another example where a Mexican producer remakes & lowers the quality of a Colombian original telenovela by carrying the story over-the-top? (in this case with no excuse that "we are making comedy"?)
"little Santiago is a chip off the old abuelo's block and he can make that ball come "alive"." Thanks for that insight, I had missed it. So Brujeria is hereditary. I got a laugh when the 2nd class Bruja told him to leave the ball alone, leaving the room; at which admonition, Esquinck immediately got up & went to the ball.
Maybe if Jacobo-in-Chino kisses Carla, since they both have the moth growth at nape of neck; there will be some kind of explosion or a display of electricity & fire.
Moral of story is that whenever one is out shopping, one shud look for people who have the blotch at the nape of the neck, The Witch Moth Blotch, which moth Mexicans call Marisposa de muerte. BTW, what happens if you squash the moth? Flyswatter? Flying Insect spray?
Chief differencs between this telenovela & El Cuerpo del Desea are
1) Little or no comedy.
The author of ECDD, Julio Jiménez, as in La Viuda de Blanco, wrote a funny comedy which suddently turns tragic near the end -- no longer comedy! IMHO it is a very effective way to write.
2) Big occult hocus pocus (In ECDD the supernatural was mostly inexplicable force in the background which caused a spirit migration at death with rare attempts by the spirit of the stolen body to grab his body back, done successfully a few times for a short period. The witch was a fake witch charlatan.)
3) El Cuerpo was Mario Cimarro who exuded arrogance & dominating-female-subjective power so women could not stop themselves from acting out the provoked lust when he was around. El Cuerpo was extremely dominating over women. Thus far Leon-in-Chino is no Cuerpo, & we can blame the lust on Lucia. Is that believable? Would a girl who was daily raped by repulsive men as a teenager (as her mother pimped her out), act like a nymphomaniac after she escaped? The more parallel relationship is seen in AAM with the gangster capo's attractive force over Eva. Are Eva & her actions believable?
As we see the friendship between Leon-in-Chino & Leon's daughter (who climbed in front seat), we may see Lucia get jealous.
Is what we are seeing in AAM another example where a Mexican producer remakes & lowers the quality of a Colombian original telenovela by carrying the story over-the-top? (in this case with no excuse that "we are making comedy"?)
Thank you, Jardinera!
It seems Beltrino doesn't care much about losing his life as long as he figures out what happened. Isn't there something wrong with this picture?? Why not just accept what happened and go with the flow, figure out what it is that he should be doing (like redeeming himself) and FIX IT.
Can't say it enough, Evas luurves playing with fire...and she's gonna get buuurned!
I understand Mateo's drive to continue what Gaston started, but he really needs to take it down a notch or else he will join Gaston much sooner than he thinks. Johny urging him on is nothing but a ploy to bring down Eva. He must think that if Gaston dies, Eva will be torn and get out of his way...WRONG!!
It seems Beltrino doesn't care much about losing his life as long as he figures out what happened. Isn't there something wrong with this picture?? Why not just accept what happened and go with the flow, figure out what it is that he should be doing (like redeeming himself) and FIX IT.
Can't say it enough, Evas luurves playing with fire...and she's gonna get buuurned!
I understand Mateo's drive to continue what Gaston started, but he really needs to take it down a notch or else he will join Gaston much sooner than he thinks. Johny urging him on is nothing but a ploy to bring down Eva. He must think that if Gaston dies, Eva will be torn and get out of his way...WRONG!!
Lilly, I think Lucia is actually enjoying teasing Leonchi...but also having a hard time keeping her hands off of him. After they kissed and she asked why he kissed her, she was going back for more but was interrupted by Johny's call. And I didn't see her pulling away when Leonchi held her close while she was on the phone.
Enoch, "Are Eva & her actions believable?" Not to me!!
Enoch, "Are Eva & her actions believable?" Not to me!!
Jar--it's a pleasure to read your recaps, always, even when the protas aren't having sizzling rolls in the hay. Thank you.
Could it be that Beltino, who cherished his well-chisled body, just wants his own body back instead of this bean pole he's in now, so he can get on with his REAL career and out of the anthropologist professor role? He at least admits to himself he's no teacher, knows nothing about anthropology and is interested only in so far as this shaman magic nonsense will give him some insight. I think he's on a mission to recover his body. Leon is not going to give it up willingly.
Are we to divine there are more transmigrated souls that we thought walking around? At least I've learned transmigration is different from reincarnation.
Enoch--I've finally read all your contributions, and this one, too. Wonderful. Keep them coming. Just be careful you don't let those comparisons or insights get ahead of the current broadcast offerings. We still like to be surprised by the developments. If you can wait until the end, to compare the originals or even prior remakes there would be that much more to discuss--especially during Karmageddon Week.
Jar--Unless I'm seriously misinformed, Barbara and Belchino's family are in Mexico City and not in San Antonio (TX or MX). Remember we saw a scene where Val goes to the same college--physical transportation is not on the Star Trek level, yet.
So, now we know why Sammy is even in the picture. Boy, will Barbara ever start raking in the pesos OR, she may find that knowing the true future will be a horrible burden.
So far, I'm not impressed by the Guille storyline. Is it meant to keep him out of company affairs for awhile then he'll come roaring back to keep Johny from taking over? Hmmm.
Could it be that Beltino, who cherished his well-chisled body, just wants his own body back instead of this bean pole he's in now, so he can get on with his REAL career and out of the anthropologist professor role? He at least admits to himself he's no teacher, knows nothing about anthropology and is interested only in so far as this shaman magic nonsense will give him some insight. I think he's on a mission to recover his body. Leon is not going to give it up willingly.
Are we to divine there are more transmigrated souls that we thought walking around? At least I've learned transmigration is different from reincarnation.
Enoch--I've finally read all your contributions, and this one, too. Wonderful. Keep them coming. Just be careful you don't let those comparisons or insights get ahead of the current broadcast offerings. We still like to be surprised by the developments. If you can wait until the end, to compare the originals or even prior remakes there would be that much more to discuss--especially during Karmageddon Week.
Jar--Unless I'm seriously misinformed, Barbara and Belchino's family are in Mexico City and not in San Antonio (TX or MX). Remember we saw a scene where Val goes to the same college--physical transportation is not on the Star Trek level, yet.
So, now we know why Sammy is even in the picture. Boy, will Barbara ever start raking in the pesos OR, she may find that knowing the true future will be a horrible burden.
So far, I'm not impressed by the Guille storyline. Is it meant to keep him out of company affairs for awhile then he'll come roaring back to keep Johny from taking over? Hmmm.
Thank you , Jardinera. I am still very confused about all these characters . Are Jacobo and Leonchino different names for the same. character? I saw Leon's face suddenly appear the other night. I watched "Cuerpo " , but I cannot remember much about it. I think the guy played the piano.
Gray day here with rain predicted.
Gray day here with rain predicted.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 1:37:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 1:37:00 PM EST
Susanlynn--Grey and rainy here, too, but the sun will always come back to shine on us. Take care. And yes, Jacobo is the name the coyote gave El Chino when he crossed the border into Mexico--he needed papers. Leonchi is the name we gave El Chino, his body all cleaned up, with Leon's soul inside. Leonchi is experiencing some reversals and has seen the old Leon once or twice in the mirror. Lucia, OTOH, was a bit shocked when the man (Jacobo) she was fantasizing with in bed turned into Leon.
Jar--The reason Fabian, the murdered judge's son is looking for El Chino is to mete out the justice that frying him ineptly didn't accomplish. I thought it was funny that the P.I. convinced him that a sleazy bar is where they would find him, because that's the sort of place he would frequent. And lo and behold, there was his wife (whom neither saw).
Anita, I missed the part where Lucia saw a flash of Leon. I guess I will try to record this show which is ON too late for my 530 rising.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 1:57:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 1:57:00 PM EST
Susanlynn--DEFINITELY worthy of recording. If you need to and enjoy rereading the recaps and comments, they always add another viewpoint (and a view). Without the sidebar, you have to scroll to the very bottom for the month--November 2018. I think only one recap, which includes Episodes 1-3 is in October.
Gracias, Jardiera.
I think that the cossetted Eva likes playing with fire. She was probably over-protected as a child and is looking for the sort of excitement she couldn't have known before. Guillermo as well, and both are getting more than they bargained for or can handle. Guillermo might survive what happened if he can lose the jerk who got him into this but Eva is probably going down.
As for whether it is realistic for Lucia to experience lust on this level after having been pimped out by her own mother, I'm with you guys in thinking that this is very unlikely. She is also doing herself no favors because Eva will jump on any opportunity to throw dirt on her. And they're under the same roof, no less.
Can't wait to see Barbara's face when she sees the kid's hands on that crystal ball.
El Cuerpo del Deseo had some brilliant comic moments, but I saw it as a dramedy. Don Pedro (Andres Garcia) had a lot of unfinished business and needed to learn the truth about his wife and her lover. He was in for some very nasty surprises, as Leon is now.
I think that the cossetted Eva likes playing with fire. She was probably over-protected as a child and is looking for the sort of excitement she couldn't have known before. Guillermo as well, and both are getting more than they bargained for or can handle. Guillermo might survive what happened if he can lose the jerk who got him into this but Eva is probably going down.
As for whether it is realistic for Lucia to experience lust on this level after having been pimped out by her own mother, I'm with you guys in thinking that this is very unlikely. She is also doing herself no favors because Eva will jump on any opportunity to throw dirt on her. And they're under the same roof, no less.
Can't wait to see Barbara's face when she sees the kid's hands on that crystal ball.
El Cuerpo del Deseo had some brilliant comic moments, but I saw it as a dramedy. Don Pedro (Andres Garcia) had a lot of unfinished business and needed to learn the truth about his wife and her lover. He was in for some very nasty surprises, as Leon is now.
Anita, you are not misinformed, Barbara and Beltran's family have always been in Mexico City. Lupita and Juli are there now too looking for El Chino, as is Fabian. The only characters left in San Antonio are the Cartel Boss and Fabian's family.
Speaking of the queen of the May, she's gone back to El Alacrán's digs to give him another piece of her mind--well, it turns out just to give him another piece, period.
Ah, that scene was tailor-made for the Jardinera wit.
And I agree with Rgv Chick, that Lucia is just teasing Leonchi by refusing to ride with him. On the sex angle, dunno. Her wretched experience being pimped out by mom may have taught her that the only way to relate to men (who underestimate women) is to conquer them sexually. So she uses her power freely but is unable to love anyone.
Anyway, who cares? I'm just enjoying this telenovela, the actors and the patio. And the incredible OSU win over Michigan!!!!!
Thanks Jardinera. Love your sass and your class.
Ah, that scene was tailor-made for the Jardinera wit.
And I agree with Rgv Chick, that Lucia is just teasing Leonchi by refusing to ride with him. On the sex angle, dunno. Her wretched experience being pimped out by mom may have taught her that the only way to relate to men (who underestimate women) is to conquer them sexually. So she uses her power freely but is unable to love anyone.
Anyway, who cares? I'm just enjoying this telenovela, the actors and the patio. And the incredible OSU win over Michigan!!!!!
Thanks Jardinera. Love your sass and your class.
Susanlynn...yes, definitely record this. It's fun to watch the next day. And you can fast forward through all the ads. Another plus.
Judyb..Carlos would be congratulating you on the OSU win. Rainy night here.
Permalink posted by : Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 6:54:00 PM EST
: Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 6:54:00 PM EST
Anita is concerned about my posting Spoilers based on El Cuerpo DD. I appreciate that. I hate spoilers. But I don't know of any spoiler source for this one. This story is so drastically different from El Cuerpo, that it would be hard to post a spoiler based on El Cuerpo. The characters are drastically different. The story line is drastically different. ECDD had no maletin of money hidden away. It had no judge murdered, no execution of a crook, no narcos, no son of a murdered judge pursuing, no going back & forth between Mexico & USA, no empresa of reporters. The daughter of El Cuerpo (the one & only migrated spirit) was a good girl, very sympathetic character, not fooling w/ any narco capo. No La Muerte skulking about, no Mariposa de Muerte; no esquincle Brujito. The borrowed Cuerpo (Salvador) was not married; he was a stupid campesino.
SusanLynn said "Are Jacobo and Leonchino different names for the same. character? I saw Leon's face suddenly appear the other night. I watched "Cuerpo ", but I cannot remember much about it. I think the guy played the piano."
Leon was put into Chino's body upon or right after Chino was electrocuted. The name he took up was Jacobo. In El Cuerpo, Don Pedro died of natural causes (not murdered nor executed) & was by unknown forces (no La Muerte) put into the body of Salvador Cerinza, a capesino who seems to have some kind of attack killing him at the same time. There were no corny eclipses of the sun or moths. In El Cuerpo, Don Pedro in Salvador's body used the name Salvador Cerinza. & Yes, Don Pedro had a sort of doggeral "Paradestucke" piano piece that he was ever playing & spooking out the mansion inhabitants at night. The female protag played by Lorena Rojas, had a very annoying mother who eventually left & was replaced by another annoying Aunt. This was comedy. And very drastically different from Amar A Muerte.
The secret bat cave room in ECDD had no eaves-dropping security system for viewing rooms in the mansion & hearing what was said. It was dilapidated dump.
So let no one be afraid that info on ECDD would be a spoiler for AAM.
Leon was put into Chino's body upon or right after Chino was electrocuted. The name he took up was Jacobo. In El Cuerpo, Don Pedro died of natural causes (not murdered nor executed) & was by unknown forces (no La Muerte) put into the body of Salvador Cerinza, a capesino who seems to have some kind of attack killing him at the same time. There were no corny eclipses of the sun or moths. In El Cuerpo, Don Pedro in Salvador's body used the name Salvador Cerinza. & Yes, Don Pedro had a sort of doggeral "Paradestucke" piano piece that he was ever playing & spooking out the mansion inhabitants at night. The female protag played by Lorena Rojas, had a very annoying mother who eventually left & was replaced by another annoying Aunt. This was comedy. And very drastically different from Amar A Muerte.
The secret bat cave room in ECDD had no eaves-dropping security system for viewing rooms in the mansion & hearing what was said. It was dilapidated dump.
So let no one be afraid that info on ECDD would be a spoiler for AAM.
I might add that in ECDD, Don Pedro did not die on his wedding day. He lived for a while in the mansion with Lorena Rojas' character, I think Isabel. After a while he died of natural causes. He had been a client of a fake witch before his wedding, a charlatan. His mother-in-law moved in, then her Aunt while Don Pedro was still alive and married to Isabel (cf. Lucia). I just emphasize how very much a different story this is. Don Pedro had but one child, a daughter (not 3 kids). The daughter was not married, but a son of the mansion cook developed a romance with her. Different story.
Rgv Chick
ITA that Lucia is enjoying teasing Leonchi, but even more kissing him.
IMHO she thinks that refusing to ride with him is best way for her to avoid temptation. Teasing Leonchi is just bonus.
Lilly
ITA that Lucia is enjoying teasing Leonchi, but even more kissing him.
IMHO she thinks that refusing to ride with him is best way for her to avoid temptation. Teasing Leonchi is just bonus.
Lilly
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 5:35:00 AM EST
: Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 5:35:00 AM EST
Moonstruck 1987 is one of my favourite movies. No romance and comedy in this novela, but Luci-Leonchi first kissing scene reminds me on kissing scene with Cher-Nicolas Cage. Sorry for my bad english.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 6:36:00 AM EST
: Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 6:36:00 AM EST
Moonstruck is one of my favorite movies too. But have to say that the Cher-Nicolas Cage kiss was a bit more dramatic. As I recall Nicolas kicked over a table, Cher said "Wait a minute, wait a minute" and then Bam! explosive kiss and then some.
But don't apologize for your English, it's great. Most of us struggle in Spanish even though we understand it.
Susanlynn, yes, Carlos would have congratulated me and we would have talked a little bit about it via email. This football season hasn't been the same without our ongoing sports conversations. Nor will basketball where Baylor usually shone, both with the men's team and the women's. He loved his Lady Bears.
Rainy nights are the worst when you're grieving. Hope the morning is sunny and the day is filled with granddaughters.
But don't apologize for your English, it's great. Most of us struggle in Spanish even though we understand it.
Susanlynn, yes, Carlos would have congratulated me and we would have talked a little bit about it via email. This football season hasn't been the same without our ongoing sports conversations. Nor will basketball where Baylor usually shone, both with the men's team and the women's. He loved his Lady Bears.
Rainy nights are the worst when you're grieving. Hope the morning is sunny and the day is filled with granddaughters.
All:
First, I hope all of you had a great and fattening Thanksgiving! Hubby couldn't wait and the tree here is already up. My two clawed furballs are enjoying the heck out of destroying it. I personally wouldn't have minded waiting a week or so.....
Anita: "are in Mexico City and not in San Antonio (TX or MX). Remember we saw a scene where Val goes to the same college" Sorry, but no, I don't remember the scene you mention. I have had a difficult time figuring out where Beltran was located. I guess, if he's now in the DF it makes more sense to me..... Tks.
Enoch: Thanks for chiming in and welcome to my page. I also appreciate your comparisons. However, as Anita has mentioned, we can avoid any accidental spoilers by holding them till the last week or so.
Susanlynn: Hey, amiga! Yuppers. Leonchino and Jacon, Jake are all the same name for Leon in the new body. I personally don't care for the L monikers so when it's my recap I take license. Apologies as I have now corrected the opening sentence and erased Beltran from it.
RGVchick/Lilly (wekcome, Lil): I agree that Lucia is also playing with fire. Contrary to playing the whore of a whore, I think she's just enjoying her sexuality and her power over men she's very much attracted to. She could never really see Leon as a sexual being because of his "wrapper"i.e., the age factor. Now that that abnormal May-Dec. factor is nil, the rest of what attracted her to him initially now combined with his new, Alpha Male "package" is overpowering. Johny satisfied a physical need, but never truly interested her --IMO.
More in a bit, sports fans.......
First, I hope all of you had a great and fattening Thanksgiving! Hubby couldn't wait and the tree here is already up. My two clawed furballs are enjoying the heck out of destroying it. I personally wouldn't have minded waiting a week or so.....
Anita: "are in Mexico City and not in San Antonio (TX or MX). Remember we saw a scene where Val goes to the same college" Sorry, but no, I don't remember the scene you mention. I have had a difficult time figuring out where Beltran was located. I guess, if he's now in the DF it makes more sense to me..... Tks.
Enoch: Thanks for chiming in and welcome to my page. I also appreciate your comparisons. However, as Anita has mentioned, we can avoid any accidental spoilers by holding them till the last week or so.
Susanlynn: Hey, amiga! Yuppers. Leonchino and Jacon, Jake are all the same name for Leon in the new body. I personally don't care for the L monikers so when it's my recap I take license. Apologies as I have now corrected the opening sentence and erased Beltran from it.
RGVchick/Lilly (wekcome, Lil): I agree that Lucia is also playing with fire. Contrary to playing the whore of a whore, I think she's just enjoying her sexuality and her power over men she's very much attracted to. She could never really see Leon as a sexual being because of his "wrapper"i.e., the age factor. Now that that abnormal May-Dec. factor is nil, the rest of what attracted her to him initially now combined with his new, Alpha Male "package" is overpowering. Johny satisfied a physical need, but never truly interested her --IMO.
More in a bit, sports fans.......
Ok I corrected the grammar and typos and mistaken locations.
Anita: "The reason Fabian, the murdered judge's son is looking for El Chino is to mete out the justice that frying him ineptly didn't accomplish." I don't disagree in the least and don't think I have misled anybody about this in my recap/s. Lupita is the one who told Jules that "the guy wants to make a 'hog chitlin' out of your father/El Chino a second time." Fabian is in fact, by taking the law into his own hands this way, becoming a murderer in his own right--something I think I stressed in the last recap.
Kirby: I am interested in whether the spanking might be physical or verbal, but ITA she needs one badly.
Anita: "The reason Fabian, the murdered judge's son is looking for El Chino is to mete out the justice that frying him ineptly didn't accomplish." I don't disagree in the least and don't think I have misled anybody about this in my recap/s. Lupita is the one who told Jules that "the guy wants to make a 'hog chitlin' out of your father/El Chino a second time." Fabian is in fact, by taking the law into his own hands this way, becoming a murderer in his own right--something I think I stressed in the last recap.
Kirby: I am interested in whether the spanking might be physical or verbal, but ITA she needs one badly.
Urban/Enoch: I tried watching ECDD but simply couldn't get interested. Bummer, because then maybe I could appreciate the contrasts.
I trust you will keep watch for any spoilers if the mood should hit again.
I trust you will keep watch for any spoilers if the mood should hit again.
Discipline:
Without any embarrassing details like I usually provide, PHYSICAL, and make her like it. 👿
Without any embarrassing details like I usually provide, PHYSICAL, and make her like it. 👿
Jardinera, "I think she's (Lucia) is just enjoying her sexuality and her power over men she's very much attracted to." Exactly! and I would add that she just plain likes that control she has over ANY man or woman whether its sexual or otherwise. She's playing cat and mouse with Leonchi and is making it clear to him that she will only play when she wants to play...but she doesn't want him to think that he will ever get anywhere with her since she is now la "Doña." What's odd is that Luciho gets all worked up when the media brings up her past yet she is behaving just like what they are saying about her...a "ho."
Jar--I never suggested you misled anyone on the reason for Fabian's vendetta--it was only to amplify his reason for being in Mexico chasing El Chino, rather than Texas. We're all on the same page on the reason. And yes, it is puzzling why he would decide to leave home and family to track down a very ephemeral character at this point (they really don't know where he is). Did he also work for a office that just let him take an open-ended leave of absence? Even if he were a self-employed attorney, he'd be losing business, harming his family.
Kirby--There's been a recent report out that claims spanking is bad for kids for any reason. I guess when a person is an adult it's for fun.
I concur with Jar's and Rgv's assessment of Luciho. Couldn't have said it any better. She's definitely playing a game she has no rules for and has little or no idea what the score will be or when the game is over.
Kirby--There's been a recent report out that claims spanking is bad for kids for any reason. I guess when a person is an adult it's for fun.
I concur with Jar's and Rgv's assessment of Luciho. Couldn't have said it any better. She's definitely playing a game she has no rules for and has little or no idea what the score will be or when the game is over.
ECDD is currently available on Hulu for anyone interested.
Permalink posted by : Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 1:39:00 PM EST
: Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 1:39:00 PM EST
"There's been a recent report out that claims spanking is bad for kids for any reason." Definitely. Any form of discipline or anything which might teach children that there are consequences for anything they might dream up or want to do is Baaaad. We want to rear a whole 'generation of no accountability'.
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Kirby/Anita: while I realize there are two sides to the spanking argument and would say it's all a matter of degree--as are most disagreements, I believe this is a topic best left to a different time and on a different site. PC is a cloak that can smother and I would like to avoid it here. Thanks!
Judy B: I know you are a fan of Ohio State, but "How about those Browns!" What a great game. I'm enjoying this story, and as "bad" as Lucia acts, I can't help but feel proud of her for pulling herself out of the terrible place she came from. I'm interested in finding out how Johnny got such control over her. As the story develops we may see that he was instrumental in helping her when she ran away from home. This would probably make her feel indebted to him. Can't wait to see him get taken down a notch and caught up in the scheming of his own doing...
Apologies for comment, but I was trying to address Kirby's light-hearted comment with another. I guess it didn't come out right.
The Browns win is a bright spot for everyone in Cleveland, Ginger. Hope the winning streak continues. I also have a soft spot for Lucia. Anyone who endured the abuse that she did deserves a happy ending IMO. Or at least a Happy Middle. Endings are seldom any fun for anybody and money can only insulate you so much.
JudyB who visits too many nursing homes to have any illusions
JudyB who visits too many nursing homes to have any illusions
Welcome, Ginger! ITA that there must be a fascinating background story to Lu-Jo duo. I am anxious for the story to come out, myself!
Spanking came up (way off track unless you think the Brujito needs one!). Proverbs prequires the use of the rod. The schools I went to as a child used it plenty on boys (discrimination?) Nobody was harmed by such use, which was not done to the point of physically harming a child. And order in the class made the class much more enjoyable for everyone. If student can hit, but teachers cannot, guess who is in charge of the school? Notwithstanding, about the worst thing a parent can do is to punish an innocent child. So preliminary investigation, assumption of innocence, & prayer for wisdom is first required.
In old movies, sometimes the female protag got spanked by the male protag -- now I don't approve of such behavior at all. Interestingly, while that went out of style in movies, as well as women slapping men (who do nothing back), while Hollywood seems to have left behind the woman-slap-the-man routine, telenovelas have not! They preserve the process. However, in the Plateados, the evil Emilio slapped the woman back! But he was no gentlemen.
In old movies, sometimes the female protag got spanked by the male protag -- now I don't approve of such behavior at all. Interestingly, while that went out of style in movies, as well as women slapping men (who do nothing back), while Hollywood seems to have left behind the woman-slap-the-man routine, telenovelas have not! They preserve the process. However, in the Plateados, the evil Emilio slapped the woman back! But he was no gentlemen.
AS to Spoilers, U hate spoilers, & I do not post spoilers. I have no way of seeing any episodes ahead on Amar A Muerte. I have seen no advance episodes. And ECDD is so drastically different, that there is no way to post a spoiler based on ECDD. This is a different telenovela, tho it borrowed from the initial premise a bit. When I tell you that Don Pedro died of natural causes before his spirit entered a campesino, that in no way could be a spoiler for AAM. They had another remake in between where the female was the Cuerpo, but I did not watch that one.
Busy, busy afternoon, so I'm just now catching up on comments.
Anon 12:32, "Fifty Shades of Lucia" Love it! And JudyB, yes, Fifty Shades of Kirby...probably more than that! LOL
Enoch, I think that the concern about referencing ECDD stems from the fact that several patio members have noted that this TN is similar to ECDD. In fact, even, wiki cites it as the 3rd remake of "En Cuerpo Ajeno" (1992) of which ECDD was also a remake. From the comparisons you have provided, it's obvious to me that the vast difference between the two stories make AAM quite unique. I didn't watch ECDD...had never even heard of it until now, so I'm sure that I, as well as those who have watched ECDD, are in for some very interesting surprises.
Anita, I totally got your comment as a snarky comeback to Kirby's comment. I must say that one of the things that catches my eye every time I log on is the quote from Chris Ferro: "We love to mock here, don't mistake it for real hate." While I am not that proficient at /mockery or snark, I do find it entertaining and, by no means, do I see it as disrespectful or offensive. I suppose it's a matter of preference...and it's all in fun, right? The other thing that makes Caray a welcoming site is the occasional birdwalking (no pun intended, Kirby :-) that tends to happen for various reasons. I have learned so many new things about a variety of topics here and its all thanks to the diverse backgrounds, perceptions, and opinions of the patio members.
Ginger, I echo Jardinera's WELCOME!! I was also wondering just how long Luciho and Johny have known each other and how they came to meet. Can't wait to find out.
JudyB, I'm finding it hard to like Lucia, right now. I do feel sorry for her because of the traumatic experiences she has had and I like her when she shows genuine concern for Val and Guille though; so I think I'll just be on the fence for right now and see what transpires.
Anon 12:32, "Fifty Shades of Lucia" Love it! And JudyB, yes, Fifty Shades of Kirby...probably more than that! LOL
Enoch, I think that the concern about referencing ECDD stems from the fact that several patio members have noted that this TN is similar to ECDD. In fact, even, wiki cites it as the 3rd remake of "En Cuerpo Ajeno" (1992) of which ECDD was also a remake. From the comparisons you have provided, it's obvious to me that the vast difference between the two stories make AAM quite unique. I didn't watch ECDD...had never even heard of it until now, so I'm sure that I, as well as those who have watched ECDD, are in for some very interesting surprises.
Anita, I totally got your comment as a snarky comeback to Kirby's comment. I must say that one of the things that catches my eye every time I log on is the quote from Chris Ferro: "We love to mock here, don't mistake it for real hate." While I am not that proficient at /mockery or snark, I do find it entertaining and, by no means, do I see it as disrespectful or offensive. I suppose it's a matter of preference...and it's all in fun, right? The other thing that makes Caray a welcoming site is the occasional birdwalking (no pun intended, Kirby :-) that tends to happen for various reasons. I have learned so many new things about a variety of topics here and its all thanks to the diverse backgrounds, perceptions, and opinions of the patio members.
Ginger, I echo Jardinera's WELCOME!! I was also wondering just how long Luciho and Johny have known each other and how they came to meet. Can't wait to find out.
JudyB, I'm finding it hard to like Lucia, right now. I do feel sorry for her because of the traumatic experiences she has had and I like her when she shows genuine concern for Val and Guille though; so I think I'll just be on the fence for right now and see what transpires.
As to the Browns, are they still the Browns? Didn't they disappear into the ether & Baltimore? The great football coach of OSU (not Oklahoma State U), was Paul Brown. His team the Browns was named for him. But was he not run off his own team? So then he went to Cincinnati with a new team, the Bengals; but I don't think he ever achieved greatness there.
The Browns was my team back when I lived in Ohio & Paul Brown was the coach. It was Otto Graham and the great end Dante Lavelli with "The Toe" Lou Groza. As I recall in those days players stayed a lot with the same team a long time. I must go to YouTube & see if they have Otto Graham with the Browns in a video.
So will the bring Otto Graham's spirit back to inhabit someone in AAM - but I can't see him with a black moth welt under nape of neck. Or maybe his cuerpo was put into cyrogenics. We have a spare spirit, the original Beltran anthropology teacher; he could enter Graham's frozen body, & become the new Mario Cimarro Cuerpo. They shud have started with this; have Chino zapped in the chair & his spirit enter Otto Graham's Cuerpo, so when playing football, he would zap electrically from time to time.
The Browns was my team back when I lived in Ohio & Paul Brown was the coach. It was Otto Graham and the great end Dante Lavelli with "The Toe" Lou Groza. As I recall in those days players stayed a lot with the same team a long time. I must go to YouTube & see if they have Otto Graham with the Browns in a video.
So will the bring Otto Graham's spirit back to inhabit someone in AAM - but I can't see him with a black moth welt under nape of neck. Or maybe his cuerpo was put into cyrogenics. We have a spare spirit, the original Beltran anthropology teacher; he could enter Graham's frozen body, & become the new Mario Cimarro Cuerpo. They shud have started with this; have Chino zapped in the chair & his spirit enter Otto Graham's Cuerpo, so when playing football, he would zap electrically from time to time.
Enoch, "In old movies, sometimes the female protag got spanked by the male protag" Brings to mind my favorite spanking scene..."McClintock" with John Wayne and Maureen O'hara. LOL
"Endings are seldom any fun for anybody and money can only insulate you so much.
JudyB who visits too many nursing homes to have any illusions"
I have worked in a nursing home.
I sure hope I die before I end up in a nursing home. I remember one lady in the nursing home who sang like beautiful hymns at night. With all else gone, she could still praise the Lord - an inspiration. Another lady beat her head over & over with her fist; & the nurses did not do a thing to stop her from beating her brains out, so far as I could see. & the leaders were angry with me for calling it to the attention of administration.
It may be that one purpose of this life is to demolish our pride. Generally we start off with good bodies, that get better year by year - we progess to adulthood, expanding in physical and social power. We may think youth lasts forever. Then when we hit 40 we are deteriorating bit by bit, year by year, discovering reading glasses, etc. The baseball & football player finds he must retire. It is appointed to man once to die! Gravity pulls to the grave. The proud arrogant young man, ends up pooping in his pants & has to receive pericare.
Here we have a telenovela that sort of addresses life after death in complete LA LA Land. The original story is supposed to be a species of the genre Magic Realism (cf. La Mujer en el espejo with its magic mirror.) I donno if AAM is that genre or not, since the "realism" part of it seems a stretch.
I suppose most of us who watch are interested to see how the romance goes between the Chauffer and Lucia. I was just zapping through Muneca Brava, which has the Chauffeur theme in it, tho the Chauffer in that one is a very funny guy in a comedy story line, a Cinderfeller story to parallel the Cinderella story in same telenovela.
JudyB who visits too many nursing homes to have any illusions"
I have worked in a nursing home.
I sure hope I die before I end up in a nursing home. I remember one lady in the nursing home who sang like beautiful hymns at night. With all else gone, she could still praise the Lord - an inspiration. Another lady beat her head over & over with her fist; & the nurses did not do a thing to stop her from beating her brains out, so far as I could see. & the leaders were angry with me for calling it to the attention of administration.
It may be that one purpose of this life is to demolish our pride. Generally we start off with good bodies, that get better year by year - we progess to adulthood, expanding in physical and social power. We may think youth lasts forever. Then when we hit 40 we are deteriorating bit by bit, year by year, discovering reading glasses, etc. The baseball & football player finds he must retire. It is appointed to man once to die! Gravity pulls to the grave. The proud arrogant young man, ends up pooping in his pants & has to receive pericare.
Here we have a telenovela that sort of addresses life after death in complete LA LA Land. The original story is supposed to be a species of the genre Magic Realism (cf. La Mujer en el espejo with its magic mirror.) I donno if AAM is that genre or not, since the "realism" part of it seems a stretch.
I suppose most of us who watch are interested to see how the romance goes between the Chauffer and Lucia. I was just zapping through Muneca Brava, which has the Chauffeur theme in it, tho the Chauffer in that one is a very funny guy in a comedy story line, a Cinderfeller story to parallel the Cinderella story in same telenovela.
"endings are seldom any fun" was posted above.
when I began watching telenovelas, it seemed that they mostly had happy endings. I don't know what the probability of that is any more. Seems like when I watch an Hispanic movie (as opposed to a telenovela) they tend not to have happy endings. Maybe some one who has been watching telenovelas over the last couple of years can tell me what the current ratio is? At least telenovelas have endings. I never liked Soap Operas cause they had no ending; they just Searched for Tomorrow.
when I began watching telenovelas, it seemed that they mostly had happy endings. I don't know what the probability of that is any more. Seems like when I watch an Hispanic movie (as opposed to a telenovela) they tend not to have happy endings. Maybe some one who has been watching telenovelas over the last couple of years can tell me what the current ratio is? At least telenovelas have endings. I never liked Soap Operas cause they had no ending; they just Searched for Tomorrow.
As to Happy Endings,
perhaps some would like to tell us how AAM could have a happy ending? How would it end happily? I can see a potential with Chino-in-Beltran if he could just stay that way, maybe reformed, paying attention to wife & son.
But how could Leon-in-Chino & Lucia end happily?
& do we just forget about the spirit of Beltran?
How do they get rid of them black moths (flyswatters?) & stop La Muerte from skulking around?
perhaps some would like to tell us how AAM could have a happy ending? How would it end happily? I can see a potential with Chino-in-Beltran if he could just stay that way, maybe reformed, paying attention to wife & son.
But how could Leon-in-Chino & Lucia end happily?
& do we just forget about the spirit of Beltran?
How do they get rid of them black moths (flyswatters?) & stop La Muerte from skulking around?
Rgv Chick:
Is that the story where John Wayne goes to Ireland and marries Maureen, who has to be put in her place as a wife submissive to husband? He drags her down the street while the people cheer? I spose they couldn't make a movie like that today!
Is that the story where John Wayne goes to Ireland and marries Maureen, who has to be put in her place as a wife submissive to husband? He drags her down the street while the people cheer? I spose they couldn't make a movie like that today!
Enoch: Interesting commentary on magical realism. For those on the blog interested in following up on this and Latin American authors who for us in particular have brought the genre to fore, I've given a link with an explanation of sorts and some novels made into movies to read or to view:
https://bookriot.com/2018/02/08/what-is-magical-realism/
Interesting are the books/films and the authors we're so familiar with.
https://bookriot.com/2018/02/08/what-is-magical-realism/
Interesting are the books/films and the authors we're so familiar with.
Chickie..My mother's favorite movie was "The Quiet Man." She watched it every time it was on tv. My sister and I always suspected that it reminded her of my father and her.She loved him, but they were not happy together.She was a firey redhead like Maureen Ohara and my dad was a handsome brunette like John Wayne. One of my favorite movies was "McClintock" starring the same actor and actress and another of my favorite actresses Stephanie Powers and Wayne's handsome son Patrick.
Outlander is another example of Magical realism in which a WWII British nurse travels back to 18th. Century Scotland and finds her true love. Everything is dry real except for the time frsvel.
Outlander is another example of Magical realism in which a WWII British nurse travels back to 18th. Century Scotland and finds her true love. Everything is dry real except for the time frsvel.
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 26, 2018 at 8:19:00 AM EST
: Monday, November 26, 2018 at 8:19:00 AM EST
Sorry...Everything is very real except for the time travel.
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 26, 2018 at 9:01:00 AM EST
: Monday, November 26, 2018 at 9:01:00 AM EST
I understood Susanlynn :-) And oooh, "The Quiet Man." THAT was the one where he went to Ireland; I was trying to think of the name of the movie...thanks!! My mother luuurved John Wayne movies.
Frankly, the idea of men spanking women is monumentally offensive to me. I am of the opinion that the gross gender inequality in many societies is responsible for most of their ills.
I don't see a happy ending for this series, based on what's going on now. Lucia might be able to redeem herself if and only if she really had nothing to do with the plan to kill Leon. We still don't know the answer to that.
Since Chino was a hit man, I don't see a happy ending for him. As for Leon, we don't know if the transmigration could become permanent or not. It wasn't in ECDD.
I don't see a happy ending for this series, based on what's going on now. Lucia might be able to redeem herself if and only if she really had nothing to do with the plan to kill Leon. We still don't know the answer to that.
Since Chino was a hit man, I don't see a happy ending for him. As for Leon, we don't know if the transmigration could become permanent or not. It wasn't in ECDD.
UA, I agree. There probably won’t be a happy ending in this TN. A thriller-type ending is more likely... leaving the audience wondering whether the souls are still lingering or whether all the evil people got what they deserved...just a guess; not a spoiler.
I was thinking about Eva. Someone mentioned that she was probably used to being pampered. That could be true, but only by the mother, certainly not by Leon since he was never emotionally accessible. Eva’s current actions are probably a cry for attention and/or a lashing out for the attention she never got.
I was thinking about Eva. Someone mentioned that she was probably used to being pampered. That could be true, but only by the mother, certainly not by Leon since he was never emotionally accessible. Eva’s current actions are probably a cry for attention and/or a lashing out for the attention she never got.
Big thanks to all Recappers.
I don't think that Lucia is involved in LeonChi's death. Although, I am not objective, because I like Lucia(no Luciho). She went through terrible horror with monster mother, manage to escape and sort of recover herself. After some big sacrifice and unselfish act, Lucia will be forgiven in the end (I hope).
I can't stand Johny. This sick relationship with (soon to be ex) Johny is mistery to me. How they get involved? When? Why him?.
I don't think that Lucia is involved in LeonChi's death. Although, I am not objective, because I like Lucia(no Luciho). She went through terrible horror with monster mother, manage to escape and sort of recover herself. After some big sacrifice and unselfish act, Lucia will be forgiven in the end (I hope).
I can't stand Johny. This sick relationship with (soon to be ex) Johny is mistery to me. How they get involved? When? Why him?.
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 26, 2018 at 11:27:00 AM EST
: Monday, November 26, 2018 at 11:27:00 AM EST
This is by far the best mexican televisa telenovela that I've seen in last 4 years. Remake or original doesn't matter.
Permalink posted by : Monday, November 26, 2018 at 11:35:00 AM EST
: Monday, November 26, 2018 at 11:35:00 AM EST
Jardinera654:
So do you think that Amarte A Muerte should be classified as Magic Realism?
Above: thanks for the ref to OUtlander, WWII nurse you say transported back in time to a romance. I think I'll check on it; sounds interesting. We normally think of the past a the cause of the future. Movies which have the future be the cause of the past seem to postulate the impossible (like Planet of the Apes series), tho they may be interesting as we suspend disbelief. The author of The Planet of the Apes original book (Monkey Planet?) has a short story where some guy has a handheld time machine, sets it to go back a few hours, & pushes the button. Then he finds himself in an eternal time loop, ever doing the same things again. I suppose that if you really travelled back in time, you would find yourself growing younger & younger until you re-entered your mother's womb & split into an egg & a sperm. Time travel (as in Dr. Who) seems to require a secondary Time System relative to the normal one, into which one culd termporarily move. But just pondering time a while leads one to say, "Org."
So do you think that Amarte A Muerte should be classified as Magic Realism?
Above: thanks for the ref to OUtlander, WWII nurse you say transported back in time to a romance. I think I'll check on it; sounds interesting. We normally think of the past a the cause of the future. Movies which have the future be the cause of the past seem to postulate the impossible (like Planet of the Apes series), tho they may be interesting as we suspend disbelief. The author of The Planet of the Apes original book (Monkey Planet?) has a short story where some guy has a handheld time machine, sets it to go back a few hours, & pushes the button. Then he finds himself in an eternal time loop, ever doing the same things again. I suppose that if you really travelled back in time, you would find yourself growing younger & younger until you re-entered your mother's womb & split into an egg & a sperm. Time travel (as in Dr. Who) seems to require a secondary Time System relative to the normal one, into which one culd termporarily move. But just pondering time a while leads one to say, "Org."
For me I am satisfied that Lucia did not know & was not into the plan to murder Leon.
So far as I can tell, we have got no explanation of how the heck they were going to swindle Leon, or how they would get some advantage out of Lucia marrying Leon if there were not plan to kill him, collect insurance, & inherit his acciones in the empresa. It seems that the villain didn't mind pimping out his amante.
This is dramatic repetition! First Lucia's mother pimps her out as a child, then Lucia lets her amante pimp her out as an adult! Does she have the heart of a prostitute? Will Leon-in-Chino somehow appear to be a rich man, so Lucia can putear con el? Or will the villain pimp out Lucia again to that ambassador/official, whatever that old goat was who had ganas for her? or maybe to the president of Mexico?
So maybe Lucia is a puta, but only when pimped out by somebody else?
So far as I can tell, we have got no explanation of how the heck they were going to swindle Leon, or how they would get some advantage out of Lucia marrying Leon if there were not plan to kill him, collect insurance, & inherit his acciones in the empresa. It seems that the villain didn't mind pimping out his amante.
This is dramatic repetition! First Lucia's mother pimps her out as a child, then Lucia lets her amante pimp her out as an adult! Does she have the heart of a prostitute? Will Leon-in-Chino somehow appear to be a rich man, so Lucia can putear con el? Or will the villain pimp out Lucia again to that ambassador/official, whatever that old goat was who had ganas for her? or maybe to the president of Mexico?
So maybe Lucia is a puta, but only when pimped out by somebody else?
Enoch--You certainly have given us lot's of food for thought. Your last sentence is the key. You've heard of putas with a heart of gold. Luci may consider herself one of those. Remember the movie Pretty Woman? She really tried hard not to develop feelings for her mark, but failed. Maybe Luciho saw the movie, too, haha. More likely she's proud of having pulled herself out of the vile pit her mother put her in and has taken on the sheen of an upper class woman and resents any allusions to her past. She gets her feathers in a twist.
I don't think she's been acting the part of the broken hearted widow--in her scenes alone she's still torn up and tormented, so I don't believe she knew about the premeditated killing. Johny tried to tell her after the fact that it had to be that way. I don't think he took into account Luciho's spine stiffening and having a really handsome guy paying attention to her. He's starting to get suspicious. Maybe his class distinctions are showing: chauffeurs don't usually speak slang-free, standard Spanish in telenovelas and look so coiffed and polished in a suit. Pretty soon it'll be obvious Leonchi is a rival for Luciho.
It could be that Johny came into Luci's view around the same time as she was introduced to Leon. Johny had to be exceedingly charming or pushy, since he can't pass himself off as handsome. Besides, he had Leon's approval as his bestest right hand substitute son who might inherit a good chunk of the business (insert hyphens starting with bestest). Luci probably got cornered one time and after that enjoyed the sex without strings. We've only ever heard them discuss running the business together and not making a life together.
We shall see.
I don't think she's been acting the part of the broken hearted widow--in her scenes alone she's still torn up and tormented, so I don't believe she knew about the premeditated killing. Johny tried to tell her after the fact that it had to be that way. I don't think he took into account Luciho's spine stiffening and having a really handsome guy paying attention to her. He's starting to get suspicious. Maybe his class distinctions are showing: chauffeurs don't usually speak slang-free, standard Spanish in telenovelas and look so coiffed and polished in a suit. Pretty soon it'll be obvious Leonchi is a rival for Luciho.
It could be that Johny came into Luci's view around the same time as she was introduced to Leon. Johny had to be exceedingly charming or pushy, since he can't pass himself off as handsome. Besides, he had Leon's approval as his bestest right hand substitute son who might inherit a good chunk of the business (insert hyphens starting with bestest). Luci probably got cornered one time and after that enjoyed the sex without strings. We've only ever heard them discuss running the business together and not making a life together.
We shall see.
Urban Anthropologist: (You and Beltran)
"Since Chino was a hit man, I don't see a happy ending for him."
Well, how about viewing his electrocution in the electric chair as his payment for his sin (neglecting the substitutionary atonement for a moment, whereby a sinner cannot pay for his own sins).
Then after paying for his sins, he got a new birth. In his new Beltran body he makes (new) wife & "son" happy, as perhaps the original prig Beltran never did?
So after Beltran's spirit gets his body back, the wife & son would be bummed out; the old uncaring prig has returned?
I don't know how far back this theme goes, the Heaven Can Wait theme, where a guy dies & comes back in another's body. The particular Heaven Can Wait story, so far as I know, goes back to Robert Montgomery in "Here Comes Mr. Jordan" 1941 and has been remade I don't know how many times even into the Telenovela Cachito del Cielo, currently rerunning on Univision. I loved both of these, Cachito at least until they completely fouled it up. It started as a delightful comedy with a couple of ornery angels acting unethical for angels & appearing on earth in various cameo type rolls. But some Roman Catholics in Mexico were offended because Cachito came back to earth a priest and was kissing the novia he left behind when he died, tho Cachito was an imposter priest. The telenovela producers gave in to the criticism & stopped the comedy abruptly, sent the ornery angels to Hell, and changed the story to an awful drama (comedy gone).
Another movie that I love "Angel on My Shoulder" starred Paul Muni, 1946. In this one the gangster is shot by his buddy right when he is released from prison. Paul Muni goes to Hell where the devil is played by the guy who is the Chief of Police in Casa Blanca, who also I think plays an angel in another movie. Paul Muni gets the Devil to take him back to earth, where they emerge out of a sidewalk elevator with sulfur fumes coming up. But instead of carrying out the Devil's job, he decides to be good! At the end he does have to go back to Hell, but has some special status there as a trustee or something.
I think I particularly like stories with angels because the angels are bound to act unangelic a bit. But we don't have any funny angels in Amar A Muerte. Of course we don't know exactly how they may develop the character La Muerte.
"Since Chino was a hit man, I don't see a happy ending for him."
Well, how about viewing his electrocution in the electric chair as his payment for his sin (neglecting the substitutionary atonement for a moment, whereby a sinner cannot pay for his own sins).
Then after paying for his sins, he got a new birth. In his new Beltran body he makes (new) wife & "son" happy, as perhaps the original prig Beltran never did?
So after Beltran's spirit gets his body back, the wife & son would be bummed out; the old uncaring prig has returned?
I don't know how far back this theme goes, the Heaven Can Wait theme, where a guy dies & comes back in another's body. The particular Heaven Can Wait story, so far as I know, goes back to Robert Montgomery in "Here Comes Mr. Jordan" 1941 and has been remade I don't know how many times even into the Telenovela Cachito del Cielo, currently rerunning on Univision. I loved both of these, Cachito at least until they completely fouled it up. It started as a delightful comedy with a couple of ornery angels acting unethical for angels & appearing on earth in various cameo type rolls. But some Roman Catholics in Mexico were offended because Cachito came back to earth a priest and was kissing the novia he left behind when he died, tho Cachito was an imposter priest. The telenovela producers gave in to the criticism & stopped the comedy abruptly, sent the ornery angels to Hell, and changed the story to an awful drama (comedy gone).
Another movie that I love "Angel on My Shoulder" starred Paul Muni, 1946. In this one the gangster is shot by his buddy right when he is released from prison. Paul Muni goes to Hell where the devil is played by the guy who is the Chief of Police in Casa Blanca, who also I think plays an angel in another movie. Paul Muni gets the Devil to take him back to earth, where they emerge out of a sidewalk elevator with sulfur fumes coming up. But instead of carrying out the Devil's job, he decides to be good! At the end he does have to go back to Hell, but has some special status there as a trustee or something.
I think I particularly like stories with angels because the angels are bound to act unangelic a bit. But we don't have any funny angels in Amar A Muerte. Of course we don't know exactly how they may develop the character La Muerte.
I agree with Anita's statement a while back...where she wrote...
"Could it be that Beltino, who cherished his well-chisled body, just wants his own body back instead of this bean pole he's in now, so he can get on with his REAL career and out of the anthropologist professor role?" And I can't imagine this TN having a happy ending...can't wait for tonight's episode...Elsa
"Could it be that Beltino, who cherished his well-chisled body, just wants his own body back instead of this bean pole he's in now, so he can get on with his REAL career and out of the anthropologist professor role?" And I can't imagine this TN having a happy ending...can't wait for tonight's episode...Elsa
Enoch, Re: the Cleveland Browns. In 1995 Art Modell packed up his team and moved to Baltimore. There the team took the name "Ravens." The Browns were allowed to keep their name-although they didn't have a team anymore. Some years later they came back as an expansion team. Modell did two things to enrage Clevelanders. One was moving the team and the other was firing Paul Brown. That's when he went to the Cincinnati Bengals.
I have been a die-hard fan since the 60's when I watched the Browns while I studied to be a teacher. I am 73 now and am still a fan even though they have had a terrible record since coming back. It is changing though. With our new quarterback and the release of their unsuccessful coach, we wiped out the Bengals on Sunday.
As for Lucia knowing that Johnny arranged the murder of Leon, she didn't know. There was a scene right after the murder where he told her that he had ordered it and she was devastated. She said it wasn't what they had planned. I don't know what their plan was, but Johnny told her that "she had blood on her hands, too." Lucia believes him and feels guilt as if she actually was guilty. Johnny knows how to manipulate her.
I'm anxious to see what transpires tonight, although I wish there were fewer commercials.
I have been a die-hard fan since the 60's when I watched the Browns while I studied to be a teacher. I am 73 now and am still a fan even though they have had a terrible record since coming back. It is changing though. With our new quarterback and the release of their unsuccessful coach, we wiped out the Bengals on Sunday.
As for Lucia knowing that Johnny arranged the murder of Leon, she didn't know. There was a scene right after the murder where he told her that he had ordered it and she was devastated. She said it wasn't what they had planned. I don't know what their plan was, but Johnny told her that "she had blood on her hands, too." Lucia believes him and feels guilt as if she actually was guilty. Johnny knows how to manipulate her.
I'm anxious to see what transpires tonight, although I wish there were fewer commercials.
Welcome, Madame E! Glad you've also joined our Patio Patrol. You and Anita I think have nailed it with Beltran/Chino. He's not willing to make any changes at this point, except that 1) he hasn't picked up a gun and gone looking for "wet work"; 2) he's warmed to the boy (Javier?) and pays mucho attention to him; 3) he hates that body and complains about it more than usual, especially demanding meats and saying to heck with the vegetarianism Beltran followed to the letter.
Enoch: I remember both Paul Muni movies and the remakes. I am partial to the old B&W films circa 1930-1950.
As for Lucia, ITA she is innocent of plotting or even suggesting murdering Leon. She in fact has early on shown shock and awe, not to mention griped and bitched at Johny for taking that extra step on his own and reminding him numerous times in the first few episodes that it was never her intent to murder Leon AT ALL. That doesn't excuse her attitude towards Johny after the fact in continuing her sexual relationship with him almost before the dude's body was cold. I believe the tn gods will provide her redemption as most of them tend to add this step, along with El Chino's. Eva, perhaps. I'm not convinced, except that the character is Leon's daughter and as he is the wronged protagonist this go 'round, it would break with formulaic tradition probably.
Yes, I also agree that this tn is definitely a part of the Latin American Magic Realism tradition, along with many of the anglo films/tn's mentioned above. This is one of the better examples in the past decade that I have personally seen and thus might attest to. I will admit I've been watching these for almost 2 decades now and don't have the mental accuity needed to dig back that many years. Most that I could immediately bring to bear would be comedies/dramedies. At least half the melodramatic tn's I've seen have relied on one form or another of indigenous magic to meet their definition, interesting enough to note but not enough to consider it noteworthy.
As for Lucia, ITA she is innocent of plotting or even suggesting murdering Leon. She in fact has early on shown shock and awe, not to mention griped and bitched at Johny for taking that extra step on his own and reminding him numerous times in the first few episodes that it was never her intent to murder Leon AT ALL. That doesn't excuse her attitude towards Johny after the fact in continuing her sexual relationship with him almost before the dude's body was cold. I believe the tn gods will provide her redemption as most of them tend to add this step, along with El Chino's. Eva, perhaps. I'm not convinced, except that the character is Leon's daughter and as he is the wronged protagonist this go 'round, it would break with formulaic tradition probably.
Yes, I also agree that this tn is definitely a part of the Latin American Magic Realism tradition, along with many of the anglo films/tn's mentioned above. This is one of the better examples in the past decade that I have personally seen and thus might attest to. I will admit I've been watching these for almost 2 decades now and don't have the mental accuity needed to dig back that many years. Most that I could immediately bring to bear would be comedies/dramedies. At least half the melodramatic tn's I've seen have relied on one form or another of indigenous magic to meet their definition, interesting enough to note but not enough to consider it noteworthy.
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