Friday, December 05, 2008

Las Tontas #4 - Thurs 12/4/08 - Why are they allowed to say pipi but not caca?

Guadalajara - It's nighttime and someone's sneaking around with a flashlight. Chava peeks out of his closet and watches. The dark figure grabs Chava and yells "I found you, yaaaaaa!!!", ha ha it's only Candy. It's a game and she's the monster, the tickle monster to be exact.

Patricio admires the Guadalajara jewelry, it incredible and sexy. He says it's all so good he needs help deciding what to export. Blah blah Jalisco is known for Tequila and this town will be known for jewelry.

Santiago rests with his little girl sleeping on his chest. Mama Isabel says she's a good girl and takes after her dad. Santi says she's like her mom. Ma disses his ex, it's one thing to leave a husband but a child? Santi thanks her for coming to Guadalajara with them. Isabel can't lie, she's worried about him, he's alone and his heart is alone and cold. He mentions his girlfriend but Ma says Marissa isn't the woman for him. She's an OK bed partner but not a life partner. Hippie ma tells it like it is. Santi looks thoughtful.

Candy tells Chava that tomorrow he'd better be careful because the monster of hugs and kisses is coming for him. Chava listens to her chest to hear her heart and says the monster's not bad because it has a good heart. They make a big deal about him having to go "pipi". I guess to a kid going pee before bed can be important. OK, yeah it is a big deal because he hasn't wet the bed in two nights. I don't blame ma for giving him a lot of positive reinforcement about going pee BEFORE bed.

After Chava runs off to brush his teeth and go pipi she recalls Pato's romantic words a week before their marriage. She thanked him for waiting for her, it meant a lot because he was her first and she wanted him to be her last. This must be the night that Chava was conceived. Apparently she's got a good memory for details after all these years, maybe because it was her first and only time.

Later Candy is pensive; she sees Tio cheek-flap snoring on the couch and tells him to go to bed. Sitting alone on the couch she calls Lulu. She tells Lulu even though she has her two men (son and uncle) she feels alone and sad.

Jorge's got his suitcase packed and is leaving Soledad because the kid Beto isn't his, it was all a lie and she knew all along. Soledad denies it, says she went out with a guy before she went out with Jorge but she never imagined... (As they say in SNL, Oh Really!) She begs him to stay and at least say goodbye to Beto but he refuses. He's going to California and who knows when he'll be in touch. What a jerk, won't even say goodbye to the kid! As he leaves she continues to weep that she didn't know. Good riddance I say.

Isabel puts a photo of John Lennon on the piano and Rocio asks is it grandpa? (Ouch, do I ever feel old.) Isabel laughs and says he was in the Beatles, one of the most famous groups of her generation. Donato the butler tells Rocio that the Rolling Stones were one of the greatest groups. Isabel says, as she lights candles for the John Lennon piano shrine, in this house they do not accept Rolling Stones fanatics.

Santi and his anesthetist friend Eduardo talk about his niece Lucia while discussing plastic surgery, Santi's afraid, she's just an adolescent, should they use a general or local anesthetic? Local of course, answers Eduardo, he adds Santi is overly concerned because Lucia's parents died in a car accident. Santi says he thinks of her as a daughter, he adopted her and she should be obedient. Ed pours a drink for himself and changes the subject, does Santi want to go see Chivas on Sunday? "Blasphemy, Blasphemy!", Santi says he'll only go see Chivas to see them lose against America. Ed admits that since they've been in Guadalajara Chivas has begun to grow on him. Santi takes the booze, thank you amigo. Ed says he knows the look in Santi's eyes, he's found a new love victim. Candida, says Santi, she's resabrrrrrrosa! Santi brags that there are two women in the world, those who have been in his bed and those who will be. Ed asks, well has she? No, but it won't be long, answers Santiago confidently.

Meeeester Raul is doing a foto shoot and corn cob sis with evil eyes is helping. No wait, he's helping her by letting her do fotos to advertise her novio's practice. He says he's known Santi since they were in school and to him women are only a pasttime. He doesn't want to see his sis get used and thrown in the trash. She pooh poohs her bro with her overly-botoxed upper lip that has no shape. Weird.

I guess Meeeester Raul owns the magazine because Tio Meño is bugging him about publishing his niece's fabulous new column called...called...that thing she always says..."Stupid women don't go to heaven"! Raul is intrigued.

Santi runs into Candy on the street and says he was looking for her. Well she doesn't want to see him. He asks what's the prob, he just wanted to invite her to eat, nothing more. Liar, she shouts, you want me to end up in your bed! He wants to know what's so bad about that and she reminds him of his girlfriend. Ha ha just kidding, he lies. She insists she wants no men in her life! He suggests that she prefers women and they can be friends, heh. He punches her in the arm. She punches him back and knees him in the nuts. Oh these wacky kids!

The mariachis sing and Santi talks really fast. He and Candy trade insults and he refuses to leave until she apologizes. No, HE should apologize and he can sit there all day if he wants, she asks him is he stupid 24 hours a day or does he ever rest? Blah blah blah men only think of the bed. He insists he has a brain. Yeah between your legs, she retorts, that why men only think of one thing! The Mariachis celebrate Candy's verbal victory by playing a refrain "que la chancla que yo tiró no la vuelvo a levantar". (Shoes that I throw away I'll never pick up again.)

Isabel tells her nieta that they're going for a cruise in Granny's old hippie bus, Rocio will see how Granny got around when she was young. Donato the butler has a million reasons why they shouldn't go, the bus is old, hasn't been driven in years, needs work. As if Isabel's going to do what he says! She and the kid take off and Donato mutters "Arriba los Rolling Stones!"

We're at the swanky apartments where Pato and Alicia now live. Alicia's ma shows up (with a suitcase), says she's lonely in the DF and gives Alicia a hard time for marrying Patricio. Al says yeah so what he's my husband and what do you want, money? She pretends to throw money at ma and ma says she's felt very bad ever since dad died. Alicia says it's all Candy's fault that dad died. She tells her ma to beat it and ma says she's off to look for dad's brother Meño, she has his address. Alicia's not interested, Dad didn't care about his brother when he was alive much less now that he's dead. Alicia is super cold so we know she's a money-grubbing, man stealing, parent-hating witch. Still, it's kind of crappy that all of a sudden mean old mom shows up just because she's feeling lonely.

Hippie bus plays yeah-yeah music loudly and drives through the city. Not to be too particular, but yeah-yeah music isn't exactly hippie music. Nevertheless Granny and the kid have a great time driving to the park even though the 50's yeah-yeah music doesn't quite match up with the peace sign.

Candy comes home and sees Tío Meño going through some old things. She finds her favorite hideous big-eyed cat puppet "Merengue" in Tío's donation box. Holy crap that thing scared the hell out of me. I'll probably have nightmares about it tonight. Candy wants Tío to play like they used to do when she was a kid. Tío cries because this box of memories reminds him of his brother and how much he suffered when they lived in the DF; his family treated him like trash and gave him the boot and he was alone. That's why he hates hates hates the DF. Ah well, he shakes it off, Fuera de Dolor!

Some lady, a new character, asks a young man why he wants to look for his father. He insists he'll look for dad, he has a right. This must be Meño's kid. His name is Charly. Lady says his dad doesn't even know his name and she doesn't want to discuss it. Charly's managed to find an old foto that will help with later identification. He begs, why can't I meet him?

Guadalajara (I'm not sure why they tell us Guadalajara. Maybe the prior scene was elsewhere?) - Meester Raul tells his secretary to call Fabian in LA and ask what happened to his exclusive interview with Salma Hayek, then he says some la-dee-dah about La Fea Mas Bella being the most popular telenovela in the U.S. He immerses himself in work but looks at a photo of his dead wife. Another broken heart.

I'm not sure about Granny's common sense. She tells Rocio to enjoy her sandwich alone while she (granny) leaves to go for a walk. Is it safe to leave a little girl alone in the park? Two little scamps, Chava and Beto I think, watch Rocio from behind a tree and want her sandwich. Chava has an idea. They sit next to her on the bench and gross her out with their boy talk. One of them has a cold and he's got big booger snots, big green delicious boogers. They're disgusting, all in his mouth and on his tongue. The big green boogers are just disgusting, disgusting! She runs off to granny leaving her sandwich on the bench. The boys dine.

Meester Raul dolefully watches a video of himself and his pregnant dead wife Angela, ahhh...happier days. Marissa comes in and tells him her death wasn't his fault. He says he was too busy working so he made Angela take a taxi. Mari tries to give him a pep talk, Angela died five years ago, you're marvelous, fall in love and get married. Never, he says as he watches the video.

Candy's friend Lulu bursts into the house and is all excited about her internet date. She wants Candy to go with her for a double date. Candy doesn't want to go, she hates that sort of arranged blind date. She teases Lulu about her date with "Juan Tenorio" (Ladies Man). Lulu says fine for Candy but she misses living with a man. Candy's confused, Lulu has never lived with a man. "That makes me miss it even more", Lulu reasons.

Santiago and his friend Eduardo AKA "Juan Tenorio" wait for the chicks to show up. Santi is mortified because Ed is wearing an America hat in Chivas territory, is he nuts? Ed says it's for ID and his date's internet handle is "Hot Moon". Santi laughs...Hot Moon, ha ha. Eduardo is excited when the girls show up, he thinks Candy is his Hot Moon. (Hot Moon? Candy is also amused but not at Ed's America hat.) Lulu interjects that SHE is Hot Moon. Ed quickly grabs Candy and introduces Santi as Juan Tenorio. Candy says he's not Juan Tenorio, his name is Caca de Perro! Lulu hugs Santi, she seems happier with the substitute Juan Tenorio Caca de Perro and who wouldn't be? Santi calls Candy a witch. She repeats his name is Caca de Perro. (Univision bleeped out all the cacas but it was obvious what she said.)

Back at home Santi's niece Lucia tells Granny she studied up on Hippies on the internet and read something about a concert that lasted for days called Woodstock (Ha, my closed captions said "Houston" instead of "Woodstock"), did Granny go? Hell yeah, Isabel says, your grandfather took me and we had a marvelous time. Lucia asks did they believe in free love? Of course, says Granny. Lucia gets excited and Granny back pedals, free love is OK for those who love each other, ahem. Lucia looks hopeful.

Candy makes fun of the way Santi drinks his Tequila like a city boy. She says he puts too much salt on his lime and makes a big deal out of throwing back a shot, what an ugly show! He gets sarcastic, "Oh so now the Tapatia's giving classes to the Chilango and Guadalajara is the city of Tequila, Eduardo Yanez, La Gaviota and Destilando amor, Please!" She's about to bonk his Chilango head with a bottle of tequila and says she doesn't watch telenovelas. She tells him Tequila should be sipped neat and slowly. She demonstrates. He asks why does she hate him? They bicker some more that suburbanites think they're better than anyone else. I'm already growing weary of all their talking. It's funny but not so much when I'm trying to translate every word which I'm about to stop doing.

She starts making weird snipping motions, SSSSSSST! SSSSSSST! Que the hell? he asks. Change of format here to avoid the he said she said:
Candy: "Pruning shears!!"
Santi: Are you a gardener?
C: Ha ha you'll be singing soprano in the choir.
S: Ahhh...castrato. As if you could!
C: Hell yes I could!
S: I'm a plastic surgeon, not a psychiatrist but you hate men. What about your boyfriend? Oh, don't have one? Then maybe a girlfriend?
C: SSSSSST! SSSSSSST! (Snipping motions)
Candy flounces off and Santi chatters to himself, toasts Juan Tenorio and Hot Moon and sings "Ay Gaviotaaaaa." (Heh, good one writers.)

Later on Tío shows Candy her new column "Las Estupidas no Van al Cielo". Wow, that got published quickly. Things really move along here in Guadalajara. She seems surprised at the title which is weird because didn't she have to sign an agreement or write the articles or something? He says he chose it because she says it all the time. He likes it but he wasn't so fond of what she wrote..."Why don't wives know their husband's salaries?" and "Why so much mystery over what they earn?" I'm not sure why he would care but she answers "well isn't it true?"

Eduardo comes back to work and asks why did Santi leave? Santi says because the friend of Full Moon, pardon, Hot Moon left. Ed wonders, "What, she didn't like you?" Santi says "Well of course she liked me but blah blah blah." Sorry I didn't understand at all what he said.

The two little scamps sit on a bench in front of a fountain, think, wiggle their legs, and have to go pipi. What's up with the pipi in this episode? And why are they allowed to say pipi but not caca?

Santi has another beautiful customer who's coming on to him. He says she's got a beautiful bod but he can add a little to her breasts, lift her glutes a little. In the middle of his schtick Candy shows up and says she's been looking for him. Ever since he worked on her she can't, you know, in the morning. "What?" he wants to know. "I can't you know, down there (points to nether regions)." The potential customer gasps. Candy says something about his partner sitting with her on the bed and crying. "You're married?" customer asks. Candy says. "No of course not, you know his 'partner', Eduardo the anesthetist!" Aha.... Potential customer takes off. Candy laughs in Santi's face, he accused her of liking women and she can say the same thing about him liking men. Hahahaha she cackles like a hyena.

The boys see a lady (Candy's mom) checking out Tio's house. "Hey, she's looking at your house" the one kid says to Chava. Meño comes out, sends the kids inside and covers by telling her the boys belong to the cleaning lady and are like kids to him. She breaks the news to him that his brother Clemente died last year. She tries to apologize, "I never considered you a monster", but he waves her off in his grief.

Candy tells Santi he has no morals. He says thanks to her that woman who WAS his patient has gone for good. Anyway, nobody but nobody will believe he's gay. They blab a bunch more, she challenges him and he lays a big fat blubbery kiss on her and she starts sneezing and stuttering, "me me me me me.... " Santi mocks her, "mememememem ha ha ha!" "Me beso!" she cries with cara impactada. "Ha ha now nobody will think I don't like kissing women!" he proclaims.

Meño looks at pictures of Clemente and grieves for his brother. Chava comes home and wants to know why his tío's crying, they say at school that men don't cry. Tío says yes they do cry and crying doesn't make you less of a man. Chava starts to leave then runs back, gives his tío a big hug and tells him he loves him which really sets Meño off crying.

Santiago kisses Candy again and the romantic music plays. He says that second kiss was even better than the other. As he leaves he tells her she needs classes because she kisses very badly, he gives free lessons every morning in his office. She wipes her mouth with her hankie and gasps, "he kissed me two times...two times!"

Tomorrow, another three way argument between Santi, Marissa and Candy. Santi says Candy's a patient with sagging boobies. Candy tells Marissa that Santi kissed her.

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Wow Sylvia...all this rapid-fire dialogue is a recapper's nightmare. You did a great job and helped me with two things I didn't know at all...the song the mariachis were singing and "Juan Tenorio". Thanks amiga.

I feel a little better about not knowing that stuff since the cc's gave Houston as Woodstock. And yes, funny that Abuelita was listening to bubble gum music rather than the Grateful Dead or something. Maybe she was just trying to gear it toward something more appropriate for Rocio's age group.

Oh, and good call on Tio's son! I didn't think of that. Actually right now my brain goes into a dead zone on this one. I'm sure I'll get more into it as time goes by.

However I ended the evening by going back to a few minutes of Fea Mas Bella so I could see Jaime in a sharp looking suit and tie rather than the unattractive duds he's wearing on this show. And I hate his lab coat! An awful shade of blue and badly fitted. Gimme a sharp white chef's coat any day!
 

Hey Sylvia! Thanks for the recap, my closed captions aren't working well at all (anybody else having the problem?) and they talk awfully fast, Candy and Santiago... nice to see Meeeester Raul speak his native language ... I'm still liking the show.
 

Sylvia, you consistently outdo yourself. This was outstanding. You did an amazing job and added so many fun details.
Your comment about Jorge was totally on target: "What a jerk, won't even say goodbye to the kid! As he leaves she continues to weep that she didn't know. Good riddance I say." Amen.

This is the first telenova I've watched that offers a lighter, more comedic theme. While I am enjoying it, does anyone else think a little more drama instead of continual light bantering with Santi and Candy would make things a little more interesting? Couples who've emoted more passionately when dealing with raw, emotional subjects often had the best chemistry (Ricardo/Camilla in Pasion). I'd like to see a little more spice with the sugar. Diana in MA.
 

Thanks for the great recap, Sylvia. Yes, you have a lot to transcribe/translate.

Wow, ditto on the lab coat, Judy. Each time I see it I think it's a bad Zoot suit.

What's with that magazine editor and his dead pregnant wife? I keep thinking it's Beto's mother who ran off and had amnesia and raised her baby with someone else? But that wouldn't make since, since she wasn't visibly pregnant when she married the other guy. And how is it that Sabine Moussier (really curly haired girl, as opposed Candi, who is somewhat curly haired girl) is involved with the magazine editor guy? Too many coincidences here.

At least we now can understand the title of the show--it's Candi's magazine column. She's probably supposed to be a straight-talking advice giver telling women to smarten up, but she herself is not following her own advice.

As a 14-year-old hippie wanna be in 1969, I was just a little too young for Houston, I mean Woodstock. But I had to crack up at the VW bus. How ridiculous to paint the actual word hippies on the side instead of a phrase like "make love not war" or "turn on, tune in, drop out."
 

P.S. I realize I sound like I'm complaining and I'm not! I like this show!

For one thing (the big thing), it's the return of Jaime Camil. I have always said I'd watch him read from the telephone book, but since they don't even have telephone books anymore, I'll have to content myself with watching him swivel his hips in that adorable mariachi costume. Not very difficult.
 

I'm with you,JudyB on Santiago's coat..Could be a lab coat buttoned up under his chin,or a smoking jacket,probably not considering he's doesn't smoke..?

I want my Fernando style dresser back in Santiago..Surely, he's doing enough lipo,facelifts,tummy & butt lifts,botox,etc. to dress past "poly"..
 

Ahoy y'all, ripping on the content of our telenovelas does not mean we are complaining or that we don't like them. Some things are just pure goofy silliness begging to be dissescted, like Granny's "hippie" bus. I was expecting Iron Butterfly or Grateful Dead and instead got yeah-yeah. Too funny!

Jaime Camil rocks, what a fantastic sense of timing. (Agreed, ugly coat, even Candy teased him about it, and I hate his hair.) I didn't care for Bracamonte in Heridas, but I'm quite liking her here. I think she and Camil play well off each other. However I am done with trying to translate every bit of repartee. I went down the rabbit hole too many times last night.

Thanks for your comments y'all. Whew, I was spent! I had to use Paula's character list as a cheat sheet to keep people straight. My closed captions were working OK except for a few glaring mistakes.

Oh and another thing I like about this one...the kids can act!
 

P.S. If you folks catch any glaring mistakes in translation or have something to add that I missed please jump in. I'm always afraid that I've inadvertently missed some important detail or fun dicho translation or something. FYI, while googling the shoe dicho I discovered it's also part of a familiar Mexican song so I suspect we will run across it again if our Mariachis continue to be a device.
 

Sylvia, you were busy last night on this one, and a fine job you did! I am really having a time keeping up with this one, but it's nice to see something this light compared to the first month of non-stop wickedness we had on QE.

The Coat: I remember in England the blokes who had moderately dirty jobs like the milkman and clerks at the ironmongers (hardware) wore those long blue coats. Plus, hey, didn't the docs on QE wear standard white ones?

Are we going to be treated to more lower-tier Maslow scripting? The "pipi" and "caca de perro" is kinda funny in a way, particularly with two little boys sitting on a park bench with the fountain in the foreground.

Thanks to all for the travel recommendations yesterday! I think Anya's comments on Oaxaca (pronounced how? WAHKS-ah-cah?) sound really appealing. We kinda prefer smaller places.

And I'm pleased to tell you mi esposa is mending and was very pleased by all your well-wishes! She's keeping in shape by using the 8" iron skillet now as the 13" chicken fryer a bit too heavy for use while on crutches. Lucky me.
 

Hello Export Red....good to see you blogging.

Judy B, I am with you on this one, some of this early action has to come together before I can grab hold to this Telenovela.

Great detail re-cap Sylvia, as some of the scenes must have been a nightmare to translate...

A digital recorder would be a good investment for the recappers of this show.
 

Great recap Silvia, thanks for the details! I don't particularly enjoy the rapid banter between Candi and Santi, maybe because I don't get half of it and it's frustrating. But I'm really liking things overall. And I always enjoy watching Jaime Camil kiss, he looks like he knows what he's doing! :)
 

Ahhh, Mike, you're telling tales! Plus, who needs iron skillets when one has fingernails! (and teeth!!)

Thanks all, for your best wishes. Never having used crutches before I am on a steep learning curve. But, I'm doing well. Got up this morning (went pipi, tee hee) and took a navy bath all by myself, hooray.

I've only seen Day 1 of this show, but the recaps are great. Don't think I'm missing a thing. It's interesting and should be a fun ride. Sylvia, you had quite a job last night, and nailed it as usual.
 

Thanks, Cap'n, for that excellent recap of a confusing episode with many new characters. I'm still not feeling it with this one, but I want to hang out with you guys , so I'm trying to like this show. Ahh, yes, the eternal struggle of the Beatles vs The Rolling Stones. A few years ago, my daughter's beau went to see the Rolling Stones perform in Philly with his best friend who was a devoted Beatles maniac. When I asked Rich how the Stones were , he gave me this one-word review, ''Old.'' And so it goes. Rich is now history , and The Stones are still...old. It's funny to hear the American songs these shows use. I am having trouble keeping up with all the characters being thrown at us. But at least this show is moving along....unlike others that will go unnamed. So Cande's dad dies without knowing that she's alive. I liked the ''Full Moon'' vs ''Hot Moon'' bit. I like this actress.
 

2 questions : 1] So, do the Mexicans say ''Juan Tenorio'' the way we call a guy ''Don Juan?'' 2] I thought Cande named her son Salvador because he ''saved'' her, so why does she call him ''Chavo?''
 

Heh, Juan Don Juan...I like it.
 

I could be wrong here but I think "chavo" is just slang for "kid" (chava for a girl). If I'm off base, correct me please.

I thought the double-date scene was a little cruel. Hard on the not- size 2 lady who plays Lulu. Of course her date is a two-timing married man, so we don't want her to get involved with him anyway, but I didn't like his long-suffering grimaces. Hopefully she'll find a truly loving match in this one without having to undergo bariatric surgery à la Zulema.
 

Unfortunately I missed this episode, so thanks for the excellent recap. I was a huge Beatles fan when I was a kid, and refused to listen to the Stones because of it so I enjoyed reading about that bit. Now that I'm grown, of course, I like them both (though the Beatles will still always be number one ;o}). I have to say I'm not sorry about missing the "banter" though. And I can't believe Candy'd actually lose Santy a client, talk about immature! But I'm sorry I missed the kiss, I agree with Rhonda that he sure looks good doing it! And the "hippie" bus with inappropriate music? Sounds to me like they've got some young'un writing about an era they only know about from movies (lol). Haven't used my VCR since LFMB, guess it's time to dust it off so I don't miss any more episodes!

Another story off topic but maybe funny to those my age, my sister was a big Monkees fan, so we'd have what we now call Beatles/Monkees wars, arguing matches over who was the better band. Of course, I always won since the Beatles actually wrote their own music and played their own instruments. We sure do laugh about it now :o)
 

Kim, what I recall from the synopsis is that Candy's life mission will be to try to dissuade all women from relying on cosmetic surgery to enhance their looks and self-image. For her this goes way beyond professional behavior. I suspect her sister Alicia (who died as a result of quack liposuction) was a little overweight so maybe it's not unusual that her new best pal is also not a size 2. I would love to see Lulu end up in a loving and healthy relationship and not have her be the butt of chubby jokes for this entire telenovela. Is that asking too much?
 

Juan. The name of the Juan from the legend was "Don Juan Tenorio" so we call him Don Juan, and Mexicans call him Juan Tenorio. Same guy.

Chava is the familiar form of Salvador, just like we use Bob for Robert. We have some other shortened names in this show: Meño for Mañuel, Beto for Alberto, Lalo for Eduardo, and Chayo for Ed's wife Rosario (I think).

As for who you might end up with on a blind date, Don Juan or Caca de Perro, I found a hilarious YouTube video called Mundo al reves (a backwards world) featuring Jaime Camil, in a similar restauratnt set.

Santiago 'cised Candy - she's a man-hater. (I have no patience for man-haters. They are worse than racists in my book. And that's pretty low!) She kicked him in the jewels for what? Flirting with her? Sharp-edged banter? There are very few things which warrent a kick in the jewels. Rape? Yes. Catching your husband doing your sister? Yes. But anything short of that...? It's not funny. It's assault.

Names. Sylvia, don't feel bad regarding the character names. I actually created the list for my own benefit - I knew I would need it (I'm an inveterate list maker). And I assumed that if I needed it, others would too.

Dichos. Finally, those marvelous dichos woven throughout Mexican culture. I try to collect them - they are a great tool for improving Spanish. The ones on novelas usually sneak past me, so if anyone hears them, can you please quote them? Irmita on LFMB had a million of them. My personal favorite? "A otro perro con eso hueso." Throw that bone to another dog. i.e. Tell that whopper to someone who will believe you.
 

Sylvia - great job! I had to replay some scenes 4-5 times to even get a clue as to what was said. I don't have closed captions on Univision, for some reason. Guess I should call about that! ;)

Every main character has had close relatives die. Santi - 3, Cande - 2,Santi's novia - 2 (who were mag. editor's wife & kid). But, so far, no gunshot deaths - guess that's a plus.The failed marriages count is getting up there, too. Some comedy, huh?

Did any of you Jaime fans catch that his father's photo is in the picture frame as Santi's dad - got couple of good close ups of it last night. ;)
I love inside jokes like that, and Santiago singing"Gaviota",babbling on about E. Yanez, Destilando Amor, etc. Chilango vs. Tapatio "feud" is fun, too.

Loved the kisses Santi planted on Cande. Jaime's still got IT!

Mike - it's pronounced "Wah ha ka".
You & Emilia would love it! Didn't see any cast iron skillets there, though!
 

Great recap of a very lively episode!

My closed captions aren't working either. I never had English, but even the Spanish ones have been out for a few days. I thought maybe my local cable provider just wasn't sending a strong enough signal, but maybe Univision (east coast anyway) is having slight transmission problems.

NinaK: Raul (the magazine editor, and the former Meester James from Destilando) is the brother of Marissa (curly-haired girlfriend of Santiago).

I was 18 when Woodstock happened, was going to go but couldn't, because my friend's father was worried about "too many black people"! He thought all rock music was played by black musicians, and there would be riots! I was pretty naive then, too, though. Wonder how I would have turned out if I went.

BTW, I love Lulu. Hope she's a recurring character.
 

Hey Paula, thanks for all that info on nicknames. It's the kind of thing you can't find in the dictionary. Wish I had your in-depth knowledge of the language and culture....but I'm workin' on it!
 

Hombre de Misterio, I wonder what your father will think about too many blacks in the White House...

The world has changed since WoodStock in many ways....

The world changed forever at 11PM (eastern)Nov. 4 2008

Change can be good for us all
 

Thanks for the recap, Sylvia. Great Job!

I haven't comment on this new show, but I LOVE IT! I just get a kick out of the characther of Santiago played by Jaime Camil. Jaime is awesome. I just love him. He has great comedian appeal. Jacqueline Bracamontes's Candy and Jaime's Santiago are so good together. These two actors are good together. They seem to have a connection. I just love it when they start at each other.

I was laughing throuh the show last night. I was sorry to miss half of the show for a couple of nights, but after last night I made a commitment to watch or taped the show.

This is just what I need it before watching the other show of Cuidado con el Angel which is more on drama and tragedies.

I LOVE jAIME cAMIL AND I aM iMPRESSED WiTH jACQUELINE bRACAMONTES.

Genevieve
 

I'm with you, Genevieve. This is lots of fun, and we already know it won't be extended into ridiculous stupidity. It is a good antidote to Cuidado. And if I haven't said it before . . . oh, yes, I have . . . there's Jaime.
 

Hombre, I understand that about 20 or 100 times more people CLAIM to have been, like, at Woodstock, man, than were actually there. So if you'd like to indulge, you're among friends here and we won't rat you out.

Paula, many thanks for the list of formal & familiar names!
 

I thought it was hilarious that, after watching this show last night with its bleeped-out "caca", I watched The Office, which featured a trip to Shrute Farms and stepping in dung as a repeated joke.

I don't know at what point the closed captions are added, but mine were working fine.

This is a fun show but I can't imagine trying to recap all that spastic dialogue! I thought recapping Marichuy on Cuidado was tough!

So Candi really only slept with Pato once? With all those PDA scenes in the first two episodes I thought they'd been going at it for years.
 

Excellent recap Sylvia, as I watched in my head I was crafting conversation summaries for if I had to write this episode, there was way too much dialog to repeat, but you tried anyway. No wonder you're tired.
I think I'm getting most of the relationships down. Chavo, Candy's son, is friends with Beto, the kid who we just learned was sired by someone other than the guy who THOUGHT he was his father. Is there some other connection with that couple, the Beto's mom and the 'dad' who just took off to California? Or so far just that the boys know each other?
 

Judy et al.: the most effective and most enjoyable way to learn the language and culture is to conseguir an immigrant friend. I learned those nicknames from my friend, Adriana. I tell folks that two people taught me most of my Spanish: Adriana and Jaime Camil.

With all these Camilista comments, un consejo: enjoy him while you can. When Tontas finished, he said he doesn't intend to do any more Mexican novelas for at least five years (although he implied that if Colombia knocked, he'd answer). He'll be doing movies and his upcoming motorcycle show, but it's not the same as gazing at his movement and his brokenhearted, longing looks, five hours per week. I swear, I could watch that boy paint a fence. With a bag over his head. From behind. With the sound turned off.

Anya, I hadn't considered the death-count theme. You're right. As for miserable marriages, isn't that a telenovela rule? Virtually nobody can have a happy marriage except the lead couple. Almost everyone else is either divorced from a bum, married to a shrew or a bum, or widowed and mourning at some level. LFMB broke that mold (both sets of parents), which was nice, but I think that's the exception. Probably to emphasize by contrast, the bliss of the lead couple.
 

Thanks ,Paula for the information about names. I never knew that Don Juan's last name was Tenoria. Live and learn. This site is a fount of knowledge.
 

Forgot to ask....
Emilia, how long will you be on crutches? Those things can really make you sore. And of course, whenever we get temporarily disabled (heck, whenever I even just get a cold!) I berate myself for not appreciating being hale and hearty, but rather taking it for granted.

Anyway, sending you wishes of strength, and lots of take-out food!
 

By the way, Sylvia~~~I was almost certain that you would choose a different title for this episode. I was sure that you would go with ''Sagging Boobies'' or ''Caca de Perro.'' How could you resist? Note : I am learning the most varied and unique phrases in Spanish via these novelas. Maybe it's time for me to take a class at my local community college and learn the more mundane phrases like : ''This is my new, blue pen.'' and ''My aunt lives in the countryside.'' On second thought.....no....I prefer the more colorful, irreverant jargon I pick up here.
 

Well technically "Sagging Boobies" would go with Friday's episode. "Sr. Caca de Perro" was tempting but frankly I was rather struck with the obsessive "pipi" theme and it just bugged me that they would allow "pipi" but not "caca". Why? It doesn't make sense!
 

Due I was feeling for you on this one thinking there was just so much stuff. My epi was bad and it took me suuuuper long, but yours was even worse I think with more caca to clarify. Good effort indeed Syl.

You asked exactly waht I was thinking, Que the hell? Pipi is less benign that teeny tiny little poodle doo doo? NO way, the pipi obsession bugged me too.

I don't know, I have a pet peeve against that word and "potty". Don't like 'em and won't use them with kids. Maybe it conjures up some unconscious issue from childhood, who knows, but the word "potty" just doesn't "sound" nice to me. Caca "sounds" better. Ah semantics.....
 

I always hated the word "potty"...even when I was a little kid I got annoyed when other kids would say it. I always thought, "just say toilet."

Bathroom humor is pretty kindergartenish but I know a lot of the guys I work with still find it HILARIOUS. I guess they're trying to appeal to a wide audience, a little something for everyone.
 

I have nothing against "pipi," but really prefer "pee."

In any case, it did strike me as strange that that they just kept saying it and saying it!

Then a booger scene, in the same episode... I hope ever night isn't a celebration of bodily fluids!
 

I just have to say something because this comment troubles me a little though I'm guessing it was meant it in the best possible way.

But - there are plenty of Spanish speakers here that aren't "immigrants" they have lived here longer than English speakers and if one should go "get one's self an immigrant friend" I hope it's because one enjoys that person's company and wants to be a friend, not because one is only interested in taking Spanish lessons.

"Immigrant friends" are not a commodity for sale on the store shelf like Windows Vista; and the suggestion that you go out and pick one up, so to say, doesn't sit well with me so I can't resist mentioning this distinction.

My friends are my friends, I don't classify them one way or another really, nor do I want to be classified that way.

Thanks,
MJ
 

Hi MJ, thanks for your observations. I know it can be difficult to comment about such things and I'm glad you feel comfortable enough to share your thoughts with the group. I'm sure you are correct when you said the comment was meant in the best possible way. Sometimes things don't come out exactly how they are intended, or they are taken in a way that's completely NOT what we meant. I like to think we are a group very interested in learning the Spanish language and of course along with that is learning about Latin American culture. For some of us it's an interest, for others it's a passion. We are simply exploring different ways to do that and trying to help each other out with ideas.


You are so right about Spanish speaking people living in the US longer than many English speakers. I'm lucky enough to live in an area that's super rich in this tradition. California has families that speak both English and Spanish going back for generations. The history is fascinating, educational, tragic and so much more. One way I like to explore culture is through food. A couple of years ago I got a couple of books that turned out to be goldmines in terms of recipes and history of my particular area. They are called "Encarnación's Kitchen: Mexican Recipes from Nineteenth-Century California" and "California Rancho Cooking - Mexican and Californian Recipes". I'm not a huge history buff but I couldn't stop reading these books. I highly recommend them to anyone who is interested in recipes, food and how they reflect culture of an era.

Wow, I really digressed from the original intent of my comment. Sorry I got off on such a tangent!
 

Hey, Judy, I'll pass your good wishes to Emilia. She's hanging in there but will probably need the crutches for six weeks.
 

Hi MJ,

Sorry that my comment was so brief that it left so much room for misinterpretation. And I am truly sorry that my unclear statement gave cause for offense. Please forgive me, and if you would, allow me to say more and hopefully be more clear. I adore the language, culture, and people. I tutored a boy in algebra in exchange for language practice (great kid!). I’ve been in a conversation class for the past few years, part Spanish-learners, part English-learners, and we practice with each other. Outside class, I often set up study dates so we can help each other learn; sometimes three study dates with three different people within one week. We start as study partners, and many times, because of proximity and compatibility, study partners become friends. Two of the young single guys in that circle spent Thanksgiving with my family. BTW, we spoke hardly any Spanish that day, in consideration of my mono-lingual husband. They are not a commodity. They are my friends.

Adriana is not someone I use for an objective. Adriana is my best friend. When I pulled up your post today, she was sitting next to me. Let me tell you how we became friends. In the conversation class I mentioned, the teacher paired us up. It was Adriana’s first class; we had never met before. Within three minutes, we were giggling like a couple of schoolgirls. We got in trouble for laughing too much. Almost instantly, we had a connection as if we had been friends for years. A friend like that does not come into one’s life every day.

My post was primarily directed toward Judy. Judy and I have communicated off-board, and she knows who I am and where I’m coming from, and she knows about my friendship. I made my comments brief because she knew the rest of the story; I’m sorry that the parts I left out caused offense with you. Please forgive me.
 

Thanks for the hilarious recap Capn’. You handled the incessant banter like a pro.

For a bit of useless trivia: the Chava/Beto/Rocio scene - completely stolen, word per word, from another TN called "Frijolito" that just re-aired on Telemundo. Mind you, the kids in that one were in far worse financial shape than the two in this one, but the class difference is there: poor boys are hungry and concoct a scheme to gross out the rich girl into giving them her sandwich.

Mike and Emilia, when I first told hubby I was thinking of getting an iron skillet (I got it and it’s awesome for Stir Frying and pot roast) he joked that he didn’t want me to hit him with it. I calmly explained he was being silly, that’s what the rolling pin is for.

Re: Candy losing Santi’s client – She actually said she heard Santi couldn’t get it up, that she heard it from his novio Eduardo – no reflexion on his surgery skills, just on his ability to perform elsewhere. Not very mature, but if the girl was really looking for just surgery, she shouldn’t have cared. Oh, and Candi misunderstood when he talked about lifting the client’s buttocks that he was coming on to her, instead of surgery.

Ferro – Beto and Chava are school chums who play soccer together and apparently Candi and Beto’s mom (Soledad I think) are buddies.
 

Gosh, thanks MC about what Candy said regarding the morning troubles. Honestly, that deelio was over my head. I just knew it was supposed to be a dis on Santi but I couldn't quite get the joke. Must have been too many indirect pronouns, they always smack me down.
 

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