Wednesday, August 08, 2012

Abismo de pasión #104 8/7/12: Musings on the Minimal Happenings


Abismo de Pasion - Musings On the Nature and Character of Some of Our Characters and on the Minimal Happenings of Capitulo # 104

Gabino and a Possible Mendoza Momzer Ancestor

Now Gabino Mendoza is a momzer and no mistake, even if he does lay claim to an old and honored Basque name. Being Basque would explain Gabino’s blonde hair and blue eyes but so would Salvador Zerboni’s undoubted acting skills, so there is no figuring out that puzzle. There are a lot of Mendozas in Yucatan State, and no wonder. Hernan Cortes and his conquistador thugs came through the Yucatan in 1519-20, and among them was one Alonso de Mendoza. We have no reason to think that Sr. A. Mendoza spared the local maidens his attentions—and he might have left genetic evidence of such. A. Mendoza went on to make mischief all the way through Mexico, Peru and Bolivia before he came to a bad end in an indigenous people’s uprising outside Potosi, Bolivia, the largest silver mine in the world.  The wealth of nations was mined at Potosi, on the backs and at the cost of the lives of tens of thousands of native persons. Such wealth, such power, attracted men like Mendoza like honey attracts bears. Over time ancestor Mendoza gained a reputation for meddling in power politics until he found himself sent out to the wilds of Bolivia, where he was tasked with founding the city of La Paz, on the site of a perfectly good indigenous town that had been there for centuries. For his sins, he was commemorated with bronze statues and monuments erected in various parks and cities in Spain, Mexico, Peru and Bolivia. As recently as 2010, the wise city fathers of Madrid named a train station after him. I suspect Gabino the momzer is very, very proud of his ancestor Alonso the momzer,  preserved forever in bronze in the Plaza Central in La Paz. Or Gabino would be, he really would be—if he wuz real.

Paloma the Dove Gets Shot Out of the Sky

Gabino has a natural daughter, Paloma, but for all that she may be a Mendoza by blood, her character is not at all like her father’s. While Gabino is all about power, Paloma is all about love. Paloma’s greatest claim to infamy may be that her mug is likely plastered all over Mexican Employment offices with a bold-faced warning stamped below in ALL CAPS, ‘DO NO HIRE THIS WOMAN’!  Paloma’s romantic worldview and extreme immaturity have caused her to leave her post as receptionist for Dr. Edmundo Tovar for the flimsiest of excuses—her girlfriend needs her, she is upset, she is sad, she has a hangnail—but her heart is in the right place.  Paloma believes in fairy tales, and prince charming and best friends.  In fact, she met Prince Charming in the form of older orphan boy Gael when she was just a little girl.

Tonight Paloma got her heart broken, and her dreams of Prince Charming and Best Friends got shot right out of the rosy tinted sunset, because when she wandered by Casa Castigo to see Elisa, Elisa wasn’t there. Delores answered the door but while Paloma was chatting with Delores, Carmina, THE Agent Orange herself, enters the scene, and she sprayed the interior of the quinta with her super toxic words. “Has Paloma heard the news about Little Elisa? She’s getting married! Oh, Elisa did not tell you herself? Tell her Delores! Tell Paloma just who Elisa is going to marry”. Pause. “Elisa is going to marry Gael”.

No one could accuse me of being a Romantic (although I admire true Romantics greatly) but I am a compassionate woman and I felt Paloma’s gut-punched reaction from California, and I’m on, what, a 5 months time delay from Mexico? Bam! In one blow Carmina took away the love of the Paloma’s life and her Best Friend. 

Delores tells Carmina to leave her niña Paloma in peace, and politely calls Carmina a viper, but it is not enough for me, dear readers. I want to lock Carmina in a small room with only a food slot, a toilet and a magic mirror for company. Nature is not kind to highly sexual male-identified vain fair-skinned, light-eyed woman of a certain age who tan too much, and no one has to touch Carmina to torture her. Her mirror and the reaction of potential lovers will do all the work over the next few years.

Paloma leaves the quinta looking shattered and then we get several scenes of filler where she recalls her previous distrust of Gael and Elisa. Elisa’s move just confirms her worst fears and Doña Ramona’s dire mutterings about Gael.

Goodbye to Horacio—Forever—Not so much

Earlier, Lolita said goodbye to Horacio FOREVER. A police car drove off with flashing lights and siren (why?) with Horacio in the back seat in handcuffs. When Delores got back home to the quinta, Elisa tried to make a really lame case for why she agreed to become Gael’s bride. She even tried to remind Lolita that she, Lolita, told Elisa to look at Gael with new eyes. Nonsense, Elisa. You have not come to terms with who you are.

Elisa, the Neurotic Survivor

What we can never forget about Elisa is that she is a survivor, pure and simple. She was born that way and her life would have molded her that way, even if she hadn’t emerged from the womb with those tendencies. And before we go throwing stones, we should thank our own survivor ancestors, each and every one of the hoarding, ‘oops I just gave the last seeds and berries to my Johnny-boy’, one of them, because without these selfish survivors, we would not be here to complain self-righteously about Elisa’s behavior.

Elisa Castañon is a survivor who feels profoundly threatened right now, and she is so male identified that she can only imagine a MAN helping her out of her dreadful situation. Survivors, when feeling desperate, do not make very nice friends.  Elisa needs time, space, and some perspective.  She is in shock and is living with her greatest enemy. It is not a good time to take a life decision. Vivi said it so well, yesterday, “Take the money and buy some more land, Elisa”! But given her peculiar upbringing, not BEING a bastard but being BELIEVED to be a bastard and treated like one by her father, I am not surprised by her choice for Gael. She wants a man to choose her, to love her. It is a neurotic choice, it will make her miserable, it has devastated her best friend, it will cause her guilt and great sorrow and it will not solve her problems.  But she must learn these lessons herself.

So, Elisa spends most of this fillergarbage capitulo running guiltily from place to place, trying to reach Paloma to talk to her about her decision to MARRY Gael. We know it is too late.  Paloma has already been told in the worst possible way that her love and her best friend have betrayed her. Really, was there a good way to give the news?
 
·      Damian goes to Don Lucio to see how the pay-off of Elisa’s debts went. “Didn’t happen,” says Lucio. “Your mama wouldn’t take the check because she said it was late”.
·      Maru has collected the signatures from the La Anita workers needed to send to the Obispo.
·      Ingrid is still working her connection with Dr. Tovar. He wants to help her. She asks him not to tell Gael about her fainting. Now Dr. Tovar has two fainting women in his life—Ingrid and Sabrina. Could either of them be, say,pregnant? We know Sabrina is but, our Doris says yes to both. Ingrid kisses Dr. Tovar’s hand on the way out of the Clinica. He looks quite smitten.
·      Alfonsina lectures Flo (again) on why she should keep Dam Pitiful and the Nieto Falso in La Ermita.
·      Flo visits her Dad, Guido, at the hotel. Flo has a lovely face, a wasp waist and she loves her father. There, I found something nice to say about her. She is also a  spoiled scheming snot who is not above kidnapping to get what she wants. Can’t abide her.
·      After Flo leaves, Guido runs into Edmundo Tovar in the Hotel hallway. Edmundo apologizes for, as Cynderella said, burning the toast at the Engagement party the previous night, but Guido is, surprisingly, all smiles. He agrees! Paolo is not a fit partner for a girl like Sabrina. They shake hands and part all friendly-like.
·      Delores has a premonition that Horacio is injured and lying along a road somewhere. Her premonition turns out to be real. It appears that the police car carrying Horacio has had a terrible accident, but Horacio survived and walked away. After sparing the life of an injured policeman, Horacio takes the keys to his handcuffs and a large pistol and disappears into the scrub. I’m guessing he may still save Elisa or Delores heroically.
·      In the funniest scene of the night, Begoña brings Sabrina her breakfast on a tray. Sabrina takes a sip of tea and runs bent-over-at-the-waist for the bathroom. Begoña, the loving mother, seeing her daughter suffer, suggests that she and Sabrina have a woman-to-woman talk. Sabrina looks sick. Begoña goes on to do all of the talking, jumping smartly to the conclusion that Sabrina is suffering from—bulimia! Then without Sabrina having to say a single thing her mom assures her that she can get help and that all will be OK. Just like that, Sabrina is off the hook—for the moment.

El Viejo Leon Juega Con El Momzer Mendoza

Don Lucio goes into Gabino’s office. Gabino has been fired, and is packing up his office. Gabino immediately assumes that Maru’s gossip has brought Lucio running to gloat over Gabino’s downfall, but Lucio says, no, he is there on another matter altogether. He stands respectfully, with his hat literally in his hand, a small distance in front of Gabino’s desk. He has a letter saying he is representing the dependents (Elisa) of Don Augusto Castañon in their affairs. (Power of attorney or something like it, I assume.)
Lucio says he would like to see a copy of the final signed contract with Gabino and Augusto’s signatures together. (Note: He used the word “contigo” here. Does this indicate signed at the same time?) Gabino says he doesn’t have a copy of the contract here (at the office). Lucio, like an old, but still dangerous white headed lion who still has a couple of very sharp canines left, moves closer into Gabino’s desk. He says in a slightly more insistent voice, “Here is something I don’t understand. You say there is a contract like this, but the copy of Augusto “No hay aparece por ningun nada” (can’t be found anywhere). Gabino hisses that it is not his problem. He has his proper copy, and a copy of the (document?) forwarding the fifty percent down payment to Augusto.

Now here is where is gets really interesting and I will need help from all of you  in clarifying anything I might have missed. Lucio says that he is glad that Gabino mentioned the millions of pesos, because he has done his own investigation. The money that was supposedly paid to Augusto has not left Gabino’s account. Isn’t that strange?

Gabino says that if the situation is as Don Lucio says, he will have the ‘chamaco’ at the banque get the cheque ready immediately.

Now, a snaggle-toothed but still manificent Don Lucio Leon leans in to Gabino over the wooden desk and says, “But if the cheque did not pass into an account in Elisa’s father’s name ‘antes de morir’…if the money was not received before he died you are not an owner of Cielo Abierto”.

“Buenas Tardes”, says an always polite Don Lucio Leon. And Gabino grabs for his cojones, for they have just been twisted.

Paloma Drops a Bird Bomb on Elisa and Gael

Later, Paloma comes upon Elisa and Gael in the Plaza. They have just finished a mild and uninteresting kiss. She tells Elisa that she wouldn’t have believed it if she hadn’t seen it herself. “You are dead to me”, she announces. Well, we knew it wasn’t going to be pretty.








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Happy Birthday to the Dynamic Duo of Blue Lass and R la O. the Party commences on the Patio immediately.

I AM sorry about giving less than complete instructions to Braulio about meandering out of the cake. I suggested that he leave aside the neck kerchief for the occasion, and he did that. I did not mention the hat or boots, Really it is too bad about the frosting and the boots. It is so hard to separate a cowboy from his hat and boots.

EJ
 

Just wonderful!!! I love your history lesson!

LOL lines:
--ALL CAPS, ‘DO NO HIRE THIS WOMAN’!
--I felt Paloma’s gut-punched reaction from California, and I’m on, what, a 5 months time delay from Mexico?

At least tonight's fillergarbage was entertaining what with Be-gone-ya PSA-ing about Bulimia and Gweedo telling Doc he didn't blame him for barring his daughter from marrying the Rapey Snake.
 

My dear Elna June,

How is it that YOUR capítulo 104 was so much more entertaining than MINE? Where was all the erudition in what I saw?

This is a work of art -- a bit of history, a good deal of psychological insight, more than a pinch of snark for good measure.

It is a fitting birthday tribute to Blue and R la O. I'm sure Braulio enjoyed watching the show with them and then reading about it here.

Begoña is really jockeying for first place on our stoopid list, isn't she? Bulimia? Ay ay ay!

Thank you for Masterpiece Theatre, La Ermita!
 

Thanks, Sara! OK, I got to thinking more about Gabino and money and cheques and...why did he tear up that cheque he gave Sra Beltran. I don't get it.

How could that transaction be complete? He tore up the check...why? Why was he so familiar with Sra. Beltran? That whole thing has been bugging me.

What do you think? Does he own that mansion now?

EJ
 

Oh, Maven, You are such a nice friend. Thank you for the compliments. They go straight to my head like a glass of Veuve Clicquot Orange Label.

Oh, Begoña has gone to the head of the class, hasn't she? When Sabrina stops throwing up will that explain Sabrina's upcoming weight gain?

I just asked Sara about Gabino and his cheques. Will any of his monay schemes come to fruition? What do you think about his cheque with La Beltran? Does he own the big Hacienda?

EJ
 

I think he DOES own the hacienda. Didn't we see him and la Beltran "passing papers"?

Tearing up the cheque would only make sense if it were a personal cheque. But the writers took pains to make us believe otherwise. So I think that's just a bit of writerly sloppiness that we need to let go of.

I'm trying a different computer and I am definitely a slow learner. Maybe if I dare, tomorrow I will share some lovely sentences I jotted down as I watched.

Sweet dreams, oh brilliant one! And if sleep eludes you, just repeat the mantra -- it is all make believe ...
 

What a great recap for such a "meh" episode EJ. I think the TN gods wanted to make sure the patio was enjoying the birthday celebration ( Sooooo mnay happy returns Blue Lass and Rosemary!!!) and didn't miss much plot.

I was actually happy to see Horacio, and sparing the officer, nice touch. He will live to be a debbie-downer to the evil minions of La Ermita before probably going out in a blaze of glory again.

So funny in Refugio, Luci's non-biological mother takes one look in her eyes and it's "You're preggers". Be-gon-ya, poor thing, seems to not have those motherly instincts. She would be a great candidate for the new movie "Clueless-20 years Later".

Like we didn't know Pal would go off the deep end. Do feel sorry for her, she knew she really didn't have Gael's heart, but it still was a kick to the gut to hear about the "wedding" (which we could tell her will never come off). Lucky girl at least has QuiQui... see what she does there. As for Elisa running all over town, this is when my frustration over lack of phones in this town in the 21st century, just drives me batty.

Lucio the Lion--love it!!! I can see the tee shirts now.
 

EJ: You are such a scholar and geneologist. Now we know why Gabino is such a terd. Did you notice he had that mouth thing going again when Lucio left? He kept chewing on a piece of wire or something. Yuck.

I just have so much trouble feeling sorry for Paloma. Gael let her know from the get go that he was in love with Elisa, but, she forges ahead anyway. I still like Gael, but last night he looked pretty bad. Another plaid shirt and a bad 'do. Just a little bit too much gel.

So, Horacio escapes. For just a moment I thought he was dead. He is now the biggest threat to Carmina and Gabino. For one thing, he knows the truth about them and for another, he has a gun.
 

This was stunning Elna June. I devoured this, breathing in every word of this exellent summary while waiting for the next.

My favorite lines: "Elisa Castañon is a survivor who feels profoundly threatened right now, and she is so male identified that she can only imagine a MAN helping her out of her dreadful situation. Survivors, when feeling desperate, do not make very nice friends." You make an excellent point. What surprised me was that Elisa to date, had always been respectful of Paloma. It was obvious she felt guilt after she made her decision but why she didn't speak to Paloma beforehand seemed slightly out of character for her.

"Paloma the Dove Gets Shot Out of the Sky". Indeed. I keep thinking Carmina can't possibly sink any lower and yet, when she gleefully delivered her venom to such a loving, gentle heart, I wanted to scream.

However, I agree with Pasofino about Gael: "Another plaid shirt and a bad 'do. Just a little bit too much gel". Yup, he was about a 2 on the atractiveness scale last night. Much ado about little...

And Begonia. What can we say?

Diana
 

EJ- I have to admit that I didn't watch last night, because I didn't want to see the fallout from Elisa's co-dependant decision to latch on to Gael and her ONLY hope. Thank you for including my advice to her. From your spot on analysis of her, that Diana pulled out, it looks like she won't take that advice. She'll probably just drift along making these foolish choices until Damian is free again and they can get married, immediately. *sigh!* You're recap is so excellent though, that it has tempted me to watch. At least I can ff through the Elisa-Gael-Pal moments, and watch the exciting fugitive and Begonia-Sab-eating disorder segments.

Diana- Elisa thinks she did talk to Pal about pursuing something with Gael. Unfortunately, it was one of the few momenets when Pal wasn't really listening to her (Quique was tempting her with an ice cream outing) and Pal said something like "uh huh, yeah, go for it", not knowing what Elisa had just asked her.
 

Vivi, thank you for reminding me that Elisa did try to give Paloma somewhat of a warning with the phone call. However, Elisa knew this kind of devastating news needed to be conveyed in person. I still think she had been considerate and caring of Paloma, and this seemed a mis-step in view of her past actions.

You are dead to me is dire indeed. I'm hoping Daisy is right in that "Lucky girl at least has QuiQui...". The spark and sizzle are there along with compatibility and laughter. All seemingly lacking with Gael.

Diana
 

elna june - Thank you for the recap *and* the history lesson.
Since this is a filler episode, at least I won't have to pay close attention when I watch the recording. Caray. Caray.

One thing I have to give the writers: they know their history. This is not the first time a character's name has been synonymous with a similar type person in history.


Happy birthday wishes for Blue Lass and R la O! Your corner of the patio will be The Spot in town at which to hang out. Will there be birthday cake???

Horacio running loose with a gun will make things interesting. The bad guys think he's in jail. . .
 

Oh Elna June...I told myself, go to the grocery first and mow the lawn, THEN you can read the recap. And know what? I couldn't wait. (I've also been known to eat dessert before dinner.)

Absolutely loved your Mendoza story. Savored every morsel (a grocery metaphor no doubt.)

Along with "Survivors, when feeling desperate, do not make nice friends", my other absolute favorites were your paragraph on Florencia and your description of Don Lucio as "snaggle-toothed but still magnificent". Amen to that!

You are such a great story-teller EJ and should never CONDENSE. Did anyone ever answer your "Read More" question? After you post, you hit the little Pencil icon at the end of your recap. That takes you to the edit page. There, on the right hand side, you will find another icon like a torn piece of paper. You put your browser in your recap where you want the break to occur. Click on the icon, and voilá! you have a "read more" at that spot and your complete recap on another mysterious internet page. I didn't bother with "read more" this time because my Refugio recap was pretty short. But I would never want you to condense that marvelous story-telling wit of yours. Therefore, my "read more" advice.(culled from UA, Vivi and my son)
 

EJ- I am printing this out now so I can read it at work NOT on my telephone. This is definitely a use-some-printer-ink worthy recap. Can't wait to analyze your analysis.

Thanks, All, for the birthday wishes! Blue and I hope you will all join us on the patio. We are the ones in the red doily short shorts. Blue's look cute on her little Butt (rear end, not reference guide). Mine fit better as a hat.

Doris - of course there is a cake! How else could Braulio make his appearance?

R la Older
 

This is wonderful Elna June. Who would have thought that we'd get a history lesson with our Abismo recap this morning? I'm not only entertained and informed by you today but also educated and impressed.

I have a very good friend named Dr. Mendoza... hmmm... maybe I should take a closer look at her.

¡Feliz cumpliaños! a Blue Lass y Rosemary la O. May you both enjoy a blessed and joyous day.

That expression on Dr. Tovar's face... Oh my. He's done for. It looks like with him it may be a matter of anybody but Begoña.

Can Elisa's finances get any more complicated? Even though don Lucio seems to have Gabino's number, how in the world will they overcome that 75/25 number? And she thinks that the money in her account came from Gabino.

Bulimia? Really? For a moment I thought that Begoña was on top of things... and so did Sabrina.

Carlos
 

What was learned last night:

Sabrina learned her mom is a big dummy.

Horacio learned to get while the gettin's good.

Paloma learned Elisa & Gael were very quick to toss her aside like a used gum wrapper.

Damian learned Mommy wouldn't take Elisa's check but WILL take Elisa's lands.

Gabino learned Lucio is on to him.

Edmundo learned Guido thinks Paolo is scum, too.
 

Sad news from London:

Marlen Esparza lost her match with Cancan Ren. She will get the bronze medal, however.

Carlos
 

Pure brilliance amiga!! EJ, I always love your made-up background histories of the "lesser" but infinitely more interesting characters. I guess it is actually YOU that makes them more interesting. Whatevs, I love hopping on for the ride as long as you are driving.

The mother/daughter chat between Begonia and Sabrina was truly rewind-worthy. Both actresses did a great job and were completely believable. Sabrina really hasn't had a very good female role model; no wonder she's such a dumb little chick.

I wonder if Guido and Doc Tover will become buddies? They both need a friend. Guido could warn Doc about what a dangerous, sniveling money-grubber Ingrid is. Not sure Doc would get it though, he is smitten by the looks of it.

I'll see you all on the patio to celebrate Blue Lass and R la O's birthdays. I'm going to walk as I plan on imbibing too much champagne as well as needing to work off some of that cake poundage.

Carlos, that is sad news. A bronze is nothing to sniff at, but I imagine Marlen is very disappointed right now. She's a champion and champions love their gold.
 

I thought it was nice of Braulio to color-coordinate his hat & boots with the frosting, didn't you, R?
 

EJ, I agree with the others -- jump break, not editing. That way we can preserve real estate on the home page without losing any of your wit and charm. I love the bulleted recaps as well, and the all-dialogue ones -- it's a nice variety and never gets boring!
 

"-- it's a nice variety and never gets boring!"
-- Blue Lass

...except when NM gets on a roll. NERD ALERT: GRAMMAR AHEAD

Here are two beautiful birds for your life list:

1. Paloma bitterly recalls Elisa's words:

"Si yo el día de mañana llegara a ver a Gael con otros ojos, ten por seguro que to lo diría de frente."
(If tomorrow I were to look at Gael differently, be assured that I'd tell you to your face.)

A hypothetical if/then: If I were, then I would ...

llegara -- imperfect subjunctive of "llegar" in the "if" clause

diría -- conditional of "decir" in the "then" clause.

2. Gweedo to Doc T in the hallway of the hotelucho:

"Si Sabrina fuera mi hija, créeme que no la casaría con un hombre como Paolo."
(If Sabrina were my daughter, believe me -- I wouldn't marry her to a man like Paolo.)

Contrary to fact conditional:

"If" clause: "fuera" is imperfect subjunctive of "ser"

"Then" clause: "casaría" is the imperfect of "casar".
 

Daisynjay, I just love your idea of Begoña in "Clueless -- 20 years later." Hah!

Diana
"[Gael] was about a 2 in the attractiveness scale last night. Much ado about little ..."
You are too much!!!

Carlos
I'm sure the B-girls enjoyed "Las Mañanitas". Great video -- thanks.
[What? BIRTHDAY girls, I meant BIRTHDAY girls.]
 

Yikes, I never would have recognized "llegara" as an imperfect subjunctive. ( How long o Lord how long?) Oh well, poco a poquito I'm going to learn Spanish...if I can just live and be cognizant for another 20 years or so.

Birthday girls...hope you are having a blast. I plan to join the table after you have thoroughly exhausted delicious Braulio. Thought I would bring along a surly Gabino to clean up the mess whilst we all run over to do other fun things. Suggestions appreciated.
 

EJ - this was wonderful! Thank you for the history lesson and bring a great sense of snark.

Blue Lass and R la O enjoy your birthday and Braulio.

Diana you make a great point about Elisa talking to Pal face-to-face before but I'm sure the writers were thinking more about the drama that would ensure as opposed to allowing their characters to have some type of integrity or stability.

And while Begonia does move to the head of the stupid list, why do the writers make the good characters so dumb. Case in point, Carmeanie has been spewing bile for years if not almost two decades now so why don't Pal and Lolita move quickly away from her when she comes to chat. Agent Orange lives to lie, harm/destroy, and manipulate so WHY do you two willing submit yourselves to this?

And when Dolores was chatting w/her about her "feeling" about Horacio and what he said. I'll give her past b/c Lolita is distraught about her second banana actually being a criminal. But the writers should develop better ways for the good characters to reveal info. Rant over, thanks.
 

Yikes, I never would have recognized "llegara" as an imperfect subjunctive.
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When I heard it, I had to run through conjugations in my head, too.

Remember there is a second past subjunctive, too. (-se; -ses etc.)

llegase

According to my Butt and my Manual de Gramática, the two forms are interchangeable with the -ra forms predominating Latin American Spanish.
 

PS: Feliz Cumple to Blue Lass and R la O!!!!!!!
 

Don Lucio Leon must be studying law on the side. He remarked to Gabino that if the check did not pass into Augusto's account before he died then Gabino doesn't own the property. If true, then it looks like Carmina does! This does not seem to help Elisa. She's broke, homeless, and, of course, crying. When do went enter the final weeks? This was episode 103.
 

"Remember there is a second past subjunctive, too. (-se; -ses etc.)"

Oh yes, mi profe! I'm kind of intimidated by these -se guys and never ever say them aloud but I guess I recognize them.

I rarely hear these forms used in our telenovelas though it seems to me they are more commonly used in the Colombian-influenced ones over on Telemundo.
 

As I mentioned, my Butt says the -ra forms predominate in Latin America and that they are heard more in speech.

I took a cursory glance at my Nueva Gramatica de la Lengua Española published by the RAE and it also notes a marked preference for -ra in Latin American Spanish, though the -se forms are frequent in writing. In European Spanish they freely alternate between the two forms.

It also notes the past subjunctive is "el tiempo más complejo del modo subjuntivo..."

There was a wealth of info in just one paragraph, but I will not bore the folks here.
 

Vivi, Sara, and NM and your Begonia comments. I must say, as obnoxious as she is, she is one of my favorite characters. At least I never FF through her comedic scenes.

CHARACTERS WHOSE SCENES I ENJOY:
Begonia
Padre
Lolita
Horacio
Our Lion
Ramona
Carmina
Gabino
Paloma with Quiqui (if her long hair is down)
Doc Tovar

WHO I FF:
Elisa when she is crying (85%, would you say?)
Flor & Alfi - just too frustrating
anythING ING
Paloma (when she has visor hair)
Chente - brat

WHO I WATCH IN SLO-MO:
Gael - getting out of the shower
Paolo - getting out of the shower
Braulio - getting out of the birthday cake

INDIFFERENT:
Dam
Guido
Sabrina
Tonia
 

Thank you Elna June, I enjoyed your recap very much.

I'll admit that I thought Begonia was onto Sabrina's pregnancy when Sabrina left to vomit, she had a look on her face. And when she said bulimia, I laughed out loud.

Did Elisa truly think that if she just explained why she's marrying Gael, that Paloma would be OK with it? Does she really know her friend at all? I hardly know her and I could have predicted the 'you are dead to me forever' attitude a mile away. Paloma has made it very clear that she is jealous of how Gael feels about Elisa and how hurt she would be if Elisa ever responded. How many times in the past has Paloma misinterpreted a scene between them and gotten crazy jealous?

I'm with all of you in hoping Horacio becomes the hero of the TN when he rights the wrongs that he committed. He needs to be well hidden though, or he'll get turned in.

Damian, confront mommy again about her dirty dealings with Elisa. Will this keep him in town a little longer?
 

Your slo-mo list is a hoot R la O.

Sure Be-gone is obnoxious, but not in the same "Damn I want to punch that beech in the throat" kind of way Carmina is. I find Be-one obnoxious, but funny.

He's a lying murderer, but I am tickled pink that Horacio is free and that NO ONE in La Ermita is aware of that yet. I think it's going to be great!
 

I love the idea of Horacio, in the underbrush, with a pistol. Now we'll all be on the edge of our seats waiting for Pop Goes the Felon.
 

Now we'll all be on the edge of our seats waiting for Pop Goes the Felon.
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I wonder who the most likely target it? Carmina or Gabino.

Gabino blackmailed him into the Blanca job and made lewd suggestions about Lolita.

Carmina has been blackmailing him about the Blanca business AND made him an accomplice in covering up Augusto's murder. Plus, she is a physical threat to Lolita.

I know *I* vote for Carmina 'cause there are no nice words I can use to describe the kind of throat-punching ire she elicits from me.
 

Good morning everyone:

And a lovely morning it is for us to celebrate the birth of R la O and Blue Lass. This morning I had to do a bit of business before I had the pleasure of your company so I am delayed in thanking you for your many kind words.

A note of clarification for the historically inclined; while Gabino Mendoza is as real as all of the community in Abismo de Pasion, Alonso de Mendoza was as real in the 16th Century as you and I are in the 21st.

I took the liberty of accusing him of the possibility of leaving his DNA traces in the gene pool of Yucatan State, thus making him a possible ancestor of our fictional and despicable character Gabino Mendoza. That is as far as I strayed from the strict truth.

I remembered the coincidence of the Mendoza name when looking through photos of a trip to Peru and Bolivia. There, in a plaza in La Paz, was the requisite statue of a Conquitador, complete with armour. My son and I had joked at the time we snapped the photo that the soldier's armor must have been quite rusty by the time he reached La Paz, some 20 years after joining Cortes in Mexico. We also thought it might be a bit heavy and burdensome, clanking around in forty pounds of steel at 8000 feet above sea level.

That memory triggered the tiniest bit of research and all else—plus a whole lot more—I wrote about ancestor Alonso de Mendoza is true. What a momzer.

EJ
 

Great recap EJ -- such a fun read. I haven't watched the episode yet, but sounds like a snoozer. Thanks for the history lesson, makes me think back on all the Mendozas in my life. This explains a lot!!!

Horacio will surely kill/maim Carmeanie and Gabino and he must also die in the process. This will leave our loveley Lolita free to marry Braulio (if we can only find a way to off Tonia). I know annulments are in the works, but dead ex-spouses are so much neater, no?

I'm off to watch the non-episode. Toodles!!!

Paquita
 

Novela Maven:

Thank you for pointing out the little birdies for my life list before they flew away.

You may not believe this, but when I heard this sentence, and translated it in my head, I thought, I thought, wait...IF——THEN. I know this has a name! I must ask NM about this.

Read it again, my friends! Courtesy of NM and our other learned friends, learning Spanish is FUN.

"Si Sabrina fuera mi hija, créeme que no la casaría con un hombre como Paolo."
(If Sabrina were my daughter, believe me -- I wouldn't marry her to a man like Paolo.)

Contrary to fact conditional:

"If" clause: "fuera" is imperfect subjunctive of "ser"

"Then" clause: "casaría" is the imperfect of "casar".

I am writing this down in my life book. And, yes, NM, I have one for birdies, as well.

EJ
 

Blue: you have just made up our new La Ermita Clue game! How goes each of our dirty dogs?

Let's see, Gabino is done, as you said, by Horacio, in the bush, with a pistol.

I say, Carmina is done in a bizarre accident, when, in a tussle with father Lupe in the bell tower of the church she becomes entwined in one of his lovely stoles, and then in the bell rope and is left, hanging by the neck, calling all of La 'Ermita de Isabel to Mass.

EJ
 

Pasofino:
Yes, Gabino and his oral fixation, yet again.

Thank you Diana. I am glad you enjoyed the recap. Elisa has such a survivors profile as she is portrayed!

Vivi, you told our 'Lisa just what to do, yesterday. But does she listen to you? No! Actually, if she had a friend like you, Vivi, a wise and strong woman, she might be OK on her own.

Doris, I think you are right about the history part. I am sure that I just stumbled upon something that the writers may have already been thinking, in a general sort of way. This begs the question, WHO is Gabino Mendoza? Who is his father? His Mother? Could he be yet another illegitimate relative of Rosendo or Alfonsina's? Why does Damian claim that she trusts Gabino more than him? I think she trusts Gabino because he knows so many of her secrets, back to the burning of Estefania's greenhouses. But maybe there is more.

JudyB: I love being thought of as dessert! There was so little entree to work with in this epi, a little fluffy chiffon delight was all there was to present to the readers of Caray. I am glad you enjoyed it, cara amiga.

EJ
 

OMG! Working from home today with the tv on. It's yellow briefs fight day on Sorti! It's happening right now!
 

Carlos: I am so glad you enjoyed the recap. I hope you and the lovely Linda had a marvelous holiday.

Sylvia:
Capitan! You are back! Yeah! You come home to a telenovela in the most boring of extensions, dahlingk.
The biggest puzzle is that of Elisa's and Gabino's finances and property ownership.
*As I get it, Elisa only owns 25% of the house and lands of Cielo Abierto. Carmina owns 75%.
*Gabino, as proxy for Alfonsina owns 0% of Cielo Abierto, because Carmina killed Augusto Catfood before the 50% down payment could transfer into Augusto's account.
*Elisa owns 100% of the greenhouses but she is in danger of losing the greenhouses to Alfonsina. Having mortgaged her greenhouses to Alfie (to get her Dad out of jail) she has tried to pay off this debt (with Damian's money) to Alfie, but Alfie refused to take her payment (with interest) and has already started foreclosure proceedings, saying it is too late.
*Gabino does, we believe, own the big fat Hacienda formerly owned by La Sra Beltran.
*Gabino has some very complicated matters of low finance going on. He has the money he stole from Ingrid, the money he embezzled from La Anita and the money he received from Alfie with which to buy Cielo Abierto, and we don't know where any of this money lives.

Whew. And that concludes the day's financial news from La Ermita, Yucatan.

EJ
 

I can't believe they filled their filler with funky finances. MORE ASSAULTING OLD BIDDIES WITH STREET FOOD.
 

Go Blue! How old does the biddy have to be?
What street food did you have in mind? Cotton candy? Or Mexican street food? Or Shave Ice for those super hot days in Maine?

EJ
 

I was remembering Gael throwing his horchata at the town gossips...but I imagine there are those in this group (and you know who you are) who would let Gael thrown ANYTHING at them.
 

Carlos, thanks for the great video! It reminded me of the first time I heard mariachi music. My Dad took me to Garibaldi Square in Mexico City when I was 10 years old...before anyone in that video was born.
 

Vivi!! I remember the "yellow briefs fight" vividly!! What a hoot.
 

Paquita:

Great to see you. Thanks for your comment. I remember the yellow briefs fight, as well. Worthy of a rewind, I say. Big grin.

And Sortilegio was filmed in Merida, right there in the La 'Ermita 'hood.

Shall we expect to see the doe eyed Levy in a TN again anytime soon? I cannot understand him very well, but he has become quite a decent actor and he seems like a lovely man.

EJ
 

BTW, the Birthday Girls have double-bingo on column 5 with "protagonista engaged to someone other than galán." We're buying the next round!
 

So funny about the yellow briefs. I watched that TN before I discovered this site, and when I watched that fight scene, I pointed out the odd yellow undies to my daughter and we had a good laugh. It seems that we weren't alone in the enjoyment of it.
 

I know the recappers are really into brief recaps, but I kind a enjoyed it when you used to tell what the characters were discussing. I'm not wanting the whole script repeated, but can you tell us what they were saying? Do I make sense?
 

Can we have a girl’s birthday party without a stooopid birthday card? This typical offering reads, “Like a great wine, we get better as we get older?” ......then opens to, “Or rather, we feel better with lots of great wine!” Happy birthday R la O and Blue Lass....may you have many more filled with happiness and fun!

EJ, is there no end to your talents? Now you add HISTORY tidbits to your recap..outstanding! Truthfully, I plan to reread it later to SAVOR each detail, today has been a busy day, nietos ages 5 and 7.

I too am a little concerned with the idea of tampering with our Passion Pit recaps, perhaps the “break” is the way to preserve our talent and conform to the new suggested guidelines. (I really think that Malinama was scared by my substitute Teresa recaps that went on and on and on with a distinct lack of humor and has made this suggestion as a preventative measure!)

What’s wrong with me? I’m happy that Horacio has a gun and is heading toward La Ermita! Yes, Carmina first!!!

Wow, so glad our geriatric representative, Lucio Lion still has the smart use of his grey matter and seems to have thrown a giant bolder into Gabino’s path......his “non-transferred dinero” seemed perfectly reasonable to me.

Carlos, I’m perfectly happy with a Bronze for our “La Monita,” hopes she feels the same. She seemed to be putting pressure on herself in the article from yesterday.
 

Boy, I feel so much smarter now, Ms. EJ. LOL

La Otra: You know that I loves me some Gabby AND Dam Fine can be boring at times. I admit that. But, when Dam Fine takes off his shirt or strips down to his BVDs, he has ALL of my attention. ALL of it!
 

P.S. La Otra, will you consider revising your boring list reflect that Dam Fine is very interesting when he removes his clothing?
 

Hi, Anon @ 5.07:

What discussion, in which capitulo and of which characters do you speak, specifically?

As you may not be aware, Anon., we recappers at Caray Caray are all volunteers. None of us is paid for our recaps, an effort that can take several to many hours a week.

We have recently been asked to shorten up our recaps. Some of us find this difficult, but we do not have the resources to provide word for word translations for all of the telenovelas.

If you are learning Spanish, try sitting with a Spanish-English Dictionary as you watch the shows. You can learn a lot this way. Most of us still do this.

If you want to receive better translations of the TN's perhaps you can pay someone in your community to do this. Or if you have something that you do really well, perhaps you could barter your skill for telenovela translations if the rough and tumble translations here at Caray Caray are not quite what you are looking for.

Buenas Tardes,

Elna June
 

Cynderella:
I have got to agree. When dressed down to his briefs, DamiaM catches both of my eyes!
Good to see you here midweek!

EJ
 

Wait a minute!!!! Wasn't Dam in yellow briefs in a recent Abismo episode? Does anyone remember that? I know it was when I was on vacation because I was watching the episode on my phone and shrieked "He's wearing yellow undies again!" and scared the heck out of my friends.

Are they serving flaming Scorpions on the patio tonight? I'm in the mood. Also, I have a bit of a backache. Does Braulio give massages?

Loved the grammar discussion/lesson. That's always great stuff. Thank you grammar nerds.
 

Yes, Cap'n. I believe he wore them on his wedding night.
 

Thank you Sara. I just knew one you clever girls in the back row would know.
 

Cap'n, I'm sure Braulio will consider your suggestion. Tomorrow. Well, he might be a little tired tomorrow. Maybe Friday.
 

Sandy, I almost bought my mother a dishtowel last weekend that said, "I will drink no wine before it's time...it's time!" ;}
 

Blue Lass, "I I will drink no wine before it's time...it's time!" These days almost every friend's birthday is sprinkled with witticisms like these, it wouldn't be a birthday party without it!
 

"Si Sabrina fuera mi hija, créeme que no la casaría con un hombre como Paolo."
(If Sabrina were my daughter, believe me -- I wouldn't marry her to a man like Paolo.)

Contrary to fact conditional:

"If" clause: "fuera" is imperfect subjunctive of "ser"

"Then" clause: "casaría" is the imperfect of "caesar".


Oh dear. If this is going on your life list, EJ, allow me a little wiggle room here.

True "contrary to fact conditionals" have NO possibility of being true because they refer to a condition in the past that was not met:

"If she HAD BEEN my daughter, I would have married her to Paolo."
(Si hubiera sido mi hija, la habría casado con Paolo/-or-hubiera casado....)
If ...( but she wasn't)--> then ... (so I didn't)

The "si fuera...no casaría" type of sentence is just a hypothetical with a low, but not zero, chance of being true.

Lo siento,
Your ever scrupulous pedant
NM
 

NM:
Got it. Changed the life book notes.
If--then. Low liklihood hypothetical=
Imperfect subjunctive.
Then= imperfect.

OK, let me see if the pea brain can handle this...My restatement-

True 'contrary to fact conditional'--
Starts out not with an, "if that dog bites me", extremely low liklihood of possibility...

But with absolute impossibility, the dog is now dead, time has rendered the possibility of that dog biting me an IMpossibility, no chance, ever.

So, it is fair to say that 'contrary to fact conditional' might not be used very often in daily conversation, no? Is is more in the realm of the metaphysical or purely speculative?

Thanks for being my Spanish Grammar tutor, NM. You are a peach.

EJ
 

Pea brain my Butt! Yes, that's it.

But this is, in fact, surprisingly common. We'll have to start listening for it.

Sometimes it takes the form:

"De no haber + past participle" instead of Sí no hubiera + pp.

I just love the rhythm of the thing -- I know you will understand. ;-)
 

Thanks to the history of the Mendozas, NM.EJ love your Spanish grammar lessons Am learning a lot. Now to the unreal story. I could forgive Elisa knowing that the four of them have grown so closed and attached to each other since childhood. Here is a character so unjustly deprived of all love and so she turns to Gael whom she loves dearly too, seeing that he's the only one who has been consistently in love with her. And Paloma I think were always an outsider even then to the love triangle of her three childhood friends. I find her a little bit obsessive so maybe this is why Gael is running away from her. Here also, we see why Gael at one point gave in to her because of their relationships when they were young. Oh I love all your musings. Great job.
 

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