Wednesday, August 08, 2012
Abismo de pasión #104 8/7/12: Musings on the Minimal Happenings
Labels: abismo
I AM sorry about giving less than complete instructions to Braulio about meandering out of the cake. I suggested that he leave aside the neck kerchief for the occasion, and he did that. I did not mention the hat or boots, Really it is too bad about the frosting and the boots. It is so hard to separate a cowboy from his hat and boots.
EJ
LOL lines:
--ALL CAPS, ‘DO NO HIRE THIS WOMAN’!
--I felt Paloma’s gut-punched reaction from California, and I’m on, what, a 5 months time delay from Mexico?
At least tonight's fillergarbage was entertaining what with Be-gone-ya PSA-ing about Bulimia and Gweedo telling Doc he didn't blame him for barring his daughter from marrying the Rapey Snake.
How is it that YOUR capítulo 104 was so much more entertaining than MINE? Where was all the erudition in what I saw?
This is a work of art -- a bit of history, a good deal of psychological insight, more than a pinch of snark for good measure.
It is a fitting birthday tribute to Blue and R la O. I'm sure Braulio enjoyed watching the show with them and then reading about it here.
Begoña is really jockeying for first place on our stoopid list, isn't she? Bulimia? Ay ay ay!
Thank you for Masterpiece Theatre, La Ermita!
How could that transaction be complete? He tore up the check...why? Why was he so familiar with Sra. Beltran? That whole thing has been bugging me.
What do you think? Does he own that mansion now?
EJ
Oh, Begoña has gone to the head of the class, hasn't she? When Sabrina stops throwing up will that explain Sabrina's upcoming weight gain?
I just asked Sara about Gabino and his cheques. Will any of his monay schemes come to fruition? What do you think about his cheque with La Beltran? Does he own the big Hacienda?
EJ
Tearing up the cheque would only make sense if it were a personal cheque. But the writers took pains to make us believe otherwise. So I think that's just a bit of writerly sloppiness that we need to let go of.
I'm trying a different computer and I am definitely a slow learner. Maybe if I dare, tomorrow I will share some lovely sentences I jotted down as I watched.
Sweet dreams, oh brilliant one! And if sleep eludes you, just repeat the mantra -- it is all make believe ...
I was actually happy to see Horacio, and sparing the officer, nice touch. He will live to be a debbie-downer to the evil minions of La Ermita before probably going out in a blaze of glory again.
So funny in Refugio, Luci's non-biological mother takes one look in her eyes and it's "You're preggers". Be-gon-ya, poor thing, seems to not have those motherly instincts. She would be a great candidate for the new movie "Clueless-20 years Later".
Like we didn't know Pal would go off the deep end. Do feel sorry for her, she knew she really didn't have Gael's heart, but it still was a kick to the gut to hear about the "wedding" (which we could tell her will never come off). Lucky girl at least has QuiQui... see what she does there. As for Elisa running all over town, this is when my frustration over lack of phones in this town in the 21st century, just drives me batty.
Lucio the Lion--love it!!! I can see the tee shirts now.
I just have so much trouble feeling sorry for Paloma. Gael let her know from the get go that he was in love with Elisa, but, she forges ahead anyway. I still like Gael, but last night he looked pretty bad. Another plaid shirt and a bad 'do. Just a little bit too much gel.
So, Horacio escapes. For just a moment I thought he was dead. He is now the biggest threat to Carmina and Gabino. For one thing, he knows the truth about them and for another, he has a gun.
My favorite lines: "Elisa Castañon is a survivor who feels profoundly threatened right now, and she is so male identified that she can only imagine a MAN helping her out of her dreadful situation. Survivors, when feeling desperate, do not make very nice friends." You make an excellent point. What surprised me was that Elisa to date, had always been respectful of Paloma. It was obvious she felt guilt after she made her decision but why she didn't speak to Paloma beforehand seemed slightly out of character for her.
"Paloma the Dove Gets Shot Out of the Sky". Indeed. I keep thinking Carmina can't possibly sink any lower and yet, when she gleefully delivered her venom to such a loving, gentle heart, I wanted to scream.
However, I agree with Pasofino about Gael: "Another plaid shirt and a bad 'do. Just a little bit too much gel". Yup, he was about a 2 on the atractiveness scale last night. Much ado about little...
And Begonia. What can we say?
Diana
Diana- Elisa thinks she did talk to Pal about pursuing something with Gael. Unfortunately, it was one of the few momenets when Pal wasn't really listening to her (Quique was tempting her with an ice cream outing) and Pal said something like "uh huh, yeah, go for it", not knowing what Elisa had just asked her.
You are dead to me is dire indeed. I'm hoping Daisy is right in that "Lucky girl at least has QuiQui...". The spark and sizzle are there along with compatibility and laughter. All seemingly lacking with Gael.
Diana
Since this is a filler episode, at least I won't have to pay close attention when I watch the recording. Caray. Caray.
One thing I have to give the writers: they know their history. This is not the first time a character's name has been synonymous with a similar type person in history.
Happy birthday wishes for Blue Lass and R la O! Your corner of the patio will be The Spot in town at which to hang out. Will there be birthday cake???
Horacio running loose with a gun will make things interesting. The bad guys think he's in jail. . .
Absolutely loved your Mendoza story. Savored every morsel (a grocery metaphor no doubt.)
Along with "Survivors, when feeling desperate, do not make nice friends", my other absolute favorites were your paragraph on Florencia and your description of Don Lucio as "snaggle-toothed but still magnificent". Amen to that!
You are such a great story-teller EJ and should never CONDENSE. Did anyone ever answer your "Read More" question? After you post, you hit the little Pencil icon at the end of your recap. That takes you to the edit page. There, on the right hand side, you will find another icon like a torn piece of paper. You put your browser in your recap where you want the break to occur. Click on the icon, and voilá! you have a "read more" at that spot and your complete recap on another mysterious internet page. I didn't bother with "read more" this time because my Refugio recap was pretty short. But I would never want you to condense that marvelous story-telling wit of yours. Therefore, my "read more" advice.(culled from UA, Vivi and my son)
Thanks, All, for the birthday wishes! Blue and I hope you will all join us on the patio. We are the ones in the red doily short shorts. Blue's look cute on her little Butt (rear end, not reference guide). Mine fit better as a hat.
Doris - of course there is a cake! How else could Braulio make his appearance?
R la Older
I have a very good friend named Dr. Mendoza... hmmm... maybe I should take a closer look at her.
¡Feliz cumpliaños! a Blue Lass y Rosemary la O. May you both enjoy a blessed and joyous day.
That expression on Dr. Tovar's face... Oh my. He's done for. It looks like with him it may be a matter of anybody but Begoña.
Can Elisa's finances get any more complicated? Even though don Lucio seems to have Gabino's number, how in the world will they overcome that 75/25 number? And she thinks that the money in her account came from Gabino.
Bulimia? Really? For a moment I thought that Begoña was on top of things... and so did Sabrina.
Carlos
Sabrina learned her mom is a big dummy.
Horacio learned to get while the gettin's good.
Paloma learned Elisa & Gael were very quick to toss her aside like a used gum wrapper.
Damian learned Mommy wouldn't take Elisa's check but WILL take Elisa's lands.
Gabino learned Lucio is on to him.
Edmundo learned Guido thinks Paolo is scum, too.
Marlen Esparza lost her match with Cancan Ren. She will get the bronze medal, however.
Carlos
The mother/daughter chat between Begonia and Sabrina was truly rewind-worthy. Both actresses did a great job and were completely believable. Sabrina really hasn't had a very good female role model; no wonder she's such a dumb little chick.
I wonder if Guido and Doc Tover will become buddies? They both need a friend. Guido could warn Doc about what a dangerous, sniveling money-grubber Ingrid is. Not sure Doc would get it though, he is smitten by the looks of it.
I'll see you all on the patio to celebrate Blue Lass and R la O's birthdays. I'm going to walk as I plan on imbibing too much champagne as well as needing to work off some of that cake poundage.
Carlos, that is sad news. A bronze is nothing to sniff at, but I imagine Marlen is very disappointed right now. She's a champion and champions love their gold.
-- Blue Lass
...except when NM gets on a roll. NERD ALERT: GRAMMAR AHEAD
Here are two beautiful birds for your life list:
1. Paloma bitterly recalls Elisa's words:
"Si yo el día de mañana llegara a ver a Gael con otros ojos, ten por seguro que to lo diría de frente."
(If tomorrow I were to look at Gael differently, be assured that I'd tell you to your face.)
A hypothetical if/then: If I were, then I would ...
llegara -- imperfect subjunctive of "llegar" in the "if" clause
diría -- conditional of "decir" in the "then" clause.
2. Gweedo to Doc T in the hallway of the hotelucho:
"Si Sabrina fuera mi hija, créeme que no la casaría con un hombre como Paolo."
(If Sabrina were my daughter, believe me -- I wouldn't marry her to a man like Paolo.)
Contrary to fact conditional:
"If" clause: "fuera" is imperfect subjunctive of "ser"
"Then" clause: "casaría" is the imperfect of "casar".
Diana
"[Gael] was about a 2 in the attractiveness scale last night. Much ado about little ..."
You are too much!!!
Carlos
I'm sure the B-girls enjoyed "Las Mañanitas". Great video -- thanks.
[What? BIRTHDAY girls, I meant BIRTHDAY girls.]
Birthday girls...hope you are having a blast. I plan to join the table after you have thoroughly exhausted delicious Braulio. Thought I would bring along a surly Gabino to clean up the mess whilst we all run over to do other fun things. Suggestions appreciated.
Blue Lass and R la O enjoy your birthday and Braulio.
Diana you make a great point about Elisa talking to Pal face-to-face before but I'm sure the writers were thinking more about the drama that would ensure as opposed to allowing their characters to have some type of integrity or stability.
And while Begonia does move to the head of the stupid list, why do the writers make the good characters so dumb. Case in point, Carmeanie has been spewing bile for years if not almost two decades now so why don't Pal and Lolita move quickly away from her when she comes to chat. Agent Orange lives to lie, harm/destroy, and manipulate so WHY do you two willing submit yourselves to this?
And when Dolores was chatting w/her about her "feeling" about Horacio and what he said. I'll give her past b/c Lolita is distraught about her second banana actually being a criminal. But the writers should develop better ways for the good characters to reveal info. Rant over, thanks.
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When I heard it, I had to run through conjugations in my head, too.
Remember there is a second past subjunctive, too. (-se; -ses etc.)
llegase
According to my Butt and my Manual de Gramática, the two forms are interchangeable with the -ra forms predominating Latin American Spanish.
Oh yes, mi profe! I'm kind of intimidated by these -se guys and never ever say them aloud but I guess I recognize them.
I rarely hear these forms used in our telenovelas though it seems to me they are more commonly used in the Colombian-influenced ones over on Telemundo.
I took a cursory glance at my Nueva Gramatica de la Lengua Española published by the RAE and it also notes a marked preference for -ra in Latin American Spanish, though the -se forms are frequent in writing. In European Spanish they freely alternate between the two forms.
It also notes the past subjunctive is "el tiempo más complejo del modo subjuntivo..."
There was a wealth of info in just one paragraph, but I will not bore the folks here.
CHARACTERS WHOSE SCENES I ENJOY:
Begonia
Padre
Lolita
Horacio
Our Lion
Ramona
Carmina
Gabino
Paloma with Quiqui (if her long hair is down)
Doc Tovar
WHO I FF:
Elisa when she is crying (85%, would you say?)
Flor & Alfi - just too frustrating
anythING ING
Paloma (when she has visor hair)
Chente - brat
WHO I WATCH IN SLO-MO:
Gael - getting out of the shower
Paolo - getting out of the shower
Braulio - getting out of the birthday cake
INDIFFERENT:
Dam
Guido
Sabrina
Tonia
I'll admit that I thought Begonia was onto Sabrina's pregnancy when Sabrina left to vomit, she had a look on her face. And when she said bulimia, I laughed out loud.
Did Elisa truly think that if she just explained why she's marrying Gael, that Paloma would be OK with it? Does she really know her friend at all? I hardly know her and I could have predicted the 'you are dead to me forever' attitude a mile away. Paloma has made it very clear that she is jealous of how Gael feels about Elisa and how hurt she would be if Elisa ever responded. How many times in the past has Paloma misinterpreted a scene between them and gotten crazy jealous?
I'm with all of you in hoping Horacio becomes the hero of the TN when he rights the wrongs that he committed. He needs to be well hidden though, or he'll get turned in.
Damian, confront mommy again about her dirty dealings with Elisa. Will this keep him in town a little longer?
Sure Be-gone is obnoxious, but not in the same "Damn I want to punch that beech in the throat" kind of way Carmina is. I find Be-one obnoxious, but funny.
He's a lying murderer, but I am tickled pink that Horacio is free and that NO ONE in La Ermita is aware of that yet. I think it's going to be great!
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I wonder who the most likely target it? Carmina or Gabino.
Gabino blackmailed him into the Blanca job and made lewd suggestions about Lolita.
Carmina has been blackmailing him about the Blanca business AND made him an accomplice in covering up Augusto's murder. Plus, she is a physical threat to Lolita.
I know *I* vote for Carmina 'cause there are no nice words I can use to describe the kind of throat-punching ire she elicits from me.
And a lovely morning it is for us to celebrate the birth of R la O and Blue Lass. This morning I had to do a bit of business before I had the pleasure of your company so I am delayed in thanking you for your many kind words.
A note of clarification for the historically inclined; while Gabino Mendoza is as real as all of the community in Abismo de Pasion, Alonso de Mendoza was as real in the 16th Century as you and I are in the 21st.
I took the liberty of accusing him of the possibility of leaving his DNA traces in the gene pool of Yucatan State, thus making him a possible ancestor of our fictional and despicable character Gabino Mendoza. That is as far as I strayed from the strict truth.
I remembered the coincidence of the Mendoza name when looking through photos of a trip to Peru and Bolivia. There, in a plaza in La Paz, was the requisite statue of a Conquitador, complete with armour. My son and I had joked at the time we snapped the photo that the soldier's armor must have been quite rusty by the time he reached La Paz, some 20 years after joining Cortes in Mexico. We also thought it might be a bit heavy and burdensome, clanking around in forty pounds of steel at 8000 feet above sea level.
That memory triggered the tiniest bit of research and all else—plus a whole lot more—I wrote about ancestor Alonso de Mendoza is true. What a momzer.
EJ
Horacio will surely kill/maim Carmeanie and Gabino and he must also die in the process. This will leave our loveley Lolita free to marry Braulio (if we can only find a way to off Tonia). I know annulments are in the works, but dead ex-spouses are so much neater, no?
I'm off to watch the non-episode. Toodles!!!
Paquita
Thank you for pointing out the little birdies for my life list before they flew away.
You may not believe this, but when I heard this sentence, and translated it in my head, I thought, I thought, wait...IF——THEN. I know this has a name! I must ask NM about this.
Read it again, my friends! Courtesy of NM and our other learned friends, learning Spanish is FUN.
"Si Sabrina fuera mi hija, créeme que no la casaría con un hombre como Paolo."
(If Sabrina were my daughter, believe me -- I wouldn't marry her to a man like Paolo.)
Contrary to fact conditional:
"If" clause: "fuera" is imperfect subjunctive of "ser"
"Then" clause: "casaría" is the imperfect of "casar".
I am writing this down in my life book. And, yes, NM, I have one for birdies, as well.
EJ
Let's see, Gabino is done, as you said, by Horacio, in the bush, with a pistol.
I say, Carmina is done in a bizarre accident, when, in a tussle with father Lupe in the bell tower of the church she becomes entwined in one of his lovely stoles, and then in the bell rope and is left, hanging by the neck, calling all of La 'Ermita de Isabel to Mass.
EJ
Yes, Gabino and his oral fixation, yet again.
Thank you Diana. I am glad you enjoyed the recap. Elisa has such a survivors profile as she is portrayed!
Vivi, you told our 'Lisa just what to do, yesterday. But does she listen to you? No! Actually, if she had a friend like you, Vivi, a wise and strong woman, she might be OK on her own.
Doris, I think you are right about the history part. I am sure that I just stumbled upon something that the writers may have already been thinking, in a general sort of way. This begs the question, WHO is Gabino Mendoza? Who is his father? His Mother? Could he be yet another illegitimate relative of Rosendo or Alfonsina's? Why does Damian claim that she trusts Gabino more than him? I think she trusts Gabino because he knows so many of her secrets, back to the burning of Estefania's greenhouses. But maybe there is more.
JudyB: I love being thought of as dessert! There was so little entree to work with in this epi, a little fluffy chiffon delight was all there was to present to the readers of Caray. I am glad you enjoyed it, cara amiga.
EJ
Sylvia:
Capitan! You are back! Yeah! You come home to a telenovela in the most boring of extensions, dahlingk.
The biggest puzzle is that of Elisa's and Gabino's finances and property ownership.
*As I get it, Elisa only owns 25% of the house and lands of Cielo Abierto. Carmina owns 75%.
*Gabino, as proxy for Alfonsina owns 0% of Cielo Abierto, because Carmina killed Augusto Catfood before the 50% down payment could transfer into Augusto's account.
*Elisa owns 100% of the greenhouses but she is in danger of losing the greenhouses to Alfonsina. Having mortgaged her greenhouses to Alfie (to get her Dad out of jail) she has tried to pay off this debt (with Damian's money) to Alfie, but Alfie refused to take her payment (with interest) and has already started foreclosure proceedings, saying it is too late.
*Gabino does, we believe, own the big fat Hacienda formerly owned by La Sra Beltran.
*Gabino has some very complicated matters of low finance going on. He has the money he stole from Ingrid, the money he embezzled from La Anita and the money he received from Alfie with which to buy Cielo Abierto, and we don't know where any of this money lives.
Whew. And that concludes the day's financial news from La Ermita, Yucatan.
EJ
What street food did you have in mind? Cotton candy? Or Mexican street food? Or Shave Ice for those super hot days in Maine?
EJ
Great to see you. Thanks for your comment. I remember the yellow briefs fight, as well. Worthy of a rewind, I say. Big grin.
And Sortilegio was filmed in Merida, right there in the La 'Ermita 'hood.
Shall we expect to see the doe eyed Levy in a TN again anytime soon? I cannot understand him very well, but he has become quite a decent actor and he seems like a lovely man.
EJ
EJ, is there no end to your talents? Now you add HISTORY tidbits to your recap..outstanding! Truthfully, I plan to reread it later to SAVOR each detail, today has been a busy day, nietos ages 5 and 7.
I too am a little concerned with the idea of tampering with our Passion Pit recaps, perhaps the “break” is the way to preserve our talent and conform to the new suggested guidelines. (I really think that Malinama was scared by my substitute Teresa recaps that went on and on and on with a distinct lack of humor and has made this suggestion as a preventative measure!)
What’s wrong with me? I’m happy that Horacio has a gun and is heading toward La Ermita! Yes, Carmina first!!!
Wow, so glad our geriatric representative, Lucio Lion still has the smart use of his grey matter and seems to have thrown a giant bolder into Gabino’s path......his “non-transferred dinero” seemed perfectly reasonable to me.
Carlos, I’m perfectly happy with a Bronze for our “La Monita,” hopes she feels the same. She seemed to be putting pressure on herself in the article from yesterday.
La Otra: You know that I loves me some Gabby AND Dam Fine can be boring at times. I admit that. But, when Dam Fine takes off his shirt or strips down to his BVDs, he has ALL of my attention. ALL of it!
What discussion, in which capitulo and of which characters do you speak, specifically?
As you may not be aware, Anon., we recappers at Caray Caray are all volunteers. None of us is paid for our recaps, an effort that can take several to many hours a week.
We have recently been asked to shorten up our recaps. Some of us find this difficult, but we do not have the resources to provide word for word translations for all of the telenovelas.
If you are learning Spanish, try sitting with a Spanish-English Dictionary as you watch the shows. You can learn a lot this way. Most of us still do this.
If you want to receive better translations of the TN's perhaps you can pay someone in your community to do this. Or if you have something that you do really well, perhaps you could barter your skill for telenovela translations if the rough and tumble translations here at Caray Caray are not quite what you are looking for.
Buenas Tardes,
Elna June
I have got to agree. When dressed down to his briefs, DamiaM catches both of my eyes!
Good to see you here midweek!
EJ
Are they serving flaming Scorpions on the patio tonight? I'm in the mood. Also, I have a bit of a backache. Does Braulio give massages?
Loved the grammar discussion/lesson. That's always great stuff. Thank you grammar nerds.
(If Sabrina were my daughter, believe me -- I wouldn't marry her to a man like Paolo.)
Contrary to fact conditional:
"If" clause: "fuera" is imperfect subjunctive of "ser"
"Then" clause: "casaría" is the imperfect of "caesar".
Oh dear. If this is going on your life list, EJ, allow me a little wiggle room here.
True "contrary to fact conditionals" have NO possibility of being true because they refer to a condition in the past that was not met:
"If she HAD BEEN my daughter, I would have married her to Paolo."
(Si hubiera sido mi hija, la habría casado con Paolo/-or-hubiera casado....)
If ...( but she wasn't)--> then ... (so I didn't)
The "si fuera...no casaría" type of sentence is just a hypothetical with a low, but not zero, chance of being true.
Lo siento,
Your ever scrupulous pedant
NM
Got it. Changed the life book notes.
If--then. Low liklihood hypothetical=
Imperfect subjunctive.
Then= imperfect.
OK, let me see if the pea brain can handle this...My restatement-
True 'contrary to fact conditional'--
Starts out not with an, "if that dog bites me", extremely low liklihood of possibility...
But with absolute impossibility, the dog is now dead, time has rendered the possibility of that dog biting me an IMpossibility, no chance, ever.
So, it is fair to say that 'contrary to fact conditional' might not be used very often in daily conversation, no? Is is more in the realm of the metaphysical or purely speculative?
Thanks for being my Spanish Grammar tutor, NM. You are a peach.
EJ
But this is, in fact, surprisingly common. We'll have to start listening for it.
Sometimes it takes the form:
"De no haber + past participle" instead of Sí no hubiera + pp.
I just love the rhythm of the thing -- I know you will understand. ;-)
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