Friday, August 03, 2012
Refugio Para el Amor #85 Fri 8/3/12 DumbRod gets a Bobo OVERLOAD, Rosa la loca confesses more symptoms, Connie and Oscar's little dream escape
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You did an excellent recap tonight. I agree that there was a lot of creep factor in this episode but the acting was so good I overlooked the bad stuff that was going on.
Who else but Fu-Chiles would think to bring mariachis to welcome the girls?
Rosemary Primera
Why didn't Max just have the locks changed on the love nest?
Rosa lost it a long time ago. She still refuses to believe she has done anything wrong which -- unfortunately -- qualifies as the legal definition of insanity. Max must get off on something about this or he would have had her committed 50 episodes ago.
Interesting that we barely saw Rodrigo this episode... and Gala only answered her phone for about a min of screen time...
But I was happy to see Rodrigo following up on the need to untangle the web of half-truths and ugly insinuations that the unholy trio of Gala, Julie and Rosa perpetuated. (Lordy, that was a loooong high-falutin' sentence!)
And of course, all us ladies of "a certain age" would like to be in the passenger seat of Oscar's car! I'll get in line right behind you Marta. You get first dibs as the recapper, of course.
The Melissa-Linares meeting was strange. Did anyone else get scared that maybe Max had come back to bump Linares off? The licenciado left the door open, it was late, he had a drink, creepy stalker music playing, he looks up and says "Tü?
What a relief that it was just Melissa. Hopefully he'll ease her out of this infatuation once he realizes what's going on, and she'll find someone closer to her own age.
Great recap Marta. Full of emotion but also detailed conversations. Something for everybody. Gracias amiga mia.
Judy- I thought something bad was about to happen to Claudio too. Had we not just scene Max and Rosa busy arguing at hime, I would have thought one of them had come to murder him. The writers were playing with us, but it makes me wonder if there will be a similar scene in the future when Claudio WILL be in danger. He is still clueless about Melissa's crush. I really don't think he can imagine that such a young woman would be interested in him that way. I'm sure it was a pleasure to see her beautiful dazzling smile after the two ugly confrontations he'd had that day.
Por fin Rod asks some questions! He shouldn't even have to ask because Luci already told him she worked there ONE night. He needs to confirm her story with other people? He should be confirming Gala's and Rosa's stories. He should be investigating how Gala got pics from the one night and just when she started planning to publish that article. It's HER story that needs confirmation. Not Luci's!
I love how these episodes are moving along so quickly. So much is happening and after 2 weeks of nothing but DoDo Rod and Luci being to proud (or stupid in his case) to reconcile, it is a welcome change.
Another night of stellar acting. I still think Claudio and Paz will ultimately become an item. Melissa is lovely, but I just see him telling her she is too young....
I will be out of town next week, so the recaps will keep me going!! Thanks so much Marta. :-)
"You can actually see the fireworks all over the wires in his brain." Well, something was firing, but sort of chuckled that Dumbass actually looks like he's straining in pain when his brain is working. New experiences can be hard to adjust too, huh dude?
I'm still amazed that everyone is Shocked, yes Shocked I tell you, at the extremes Rosa went to, but I had hoped for more from Connie than just a hand to the mouth to hear about how she ordered graves to be desecrated, how she implies how she treated Aurora, etc. Now it's like, ok she told the truth, it's all out, so now everyone can move on with Max? (really?) I love Connie, but she and Mati have been such enablers. And if Rosa does get diagnosed with some mental disorder, she will still need help. Hopefully they don't let Rosa refuse that thinking they can handle her...
But I as was happy that Connie got away with Oscar, and extremely jealous as well. Hopefully nothing mucks up their time togther.
Think we got set up that Pato will get better faster than expected? All about the patient? Hmmmmm
Love those previews-- Gala in pithed mode and Luci letting Dumbass have it. Lord, I love how they are really giving this woman a strong will, smarts, and not caving whenever muscleman comes around. Be fun if she also tells him about Claudio. Here will come that pained look again. Yeah!!
So, Rosa hated Aurora because she was the popular one. Jealousy eventually has led Rosa to giving away a bebe and grave robbing. Maybe her level of jealousy can be weaponized.
Must have missed it but why or who or when did Rod get motivated to see Violet?
Maximo's creedo is deny, deny, deny.
That Melissa and Claudio meeting a little creepy. I too thought at first that someone had come to harm Claudio. Melissa was giving him all kinds of signal, looking in his eyes, hand holding. I hope he realizes what she feels and lets her down gently.
I don't understand why DEAD TO ME went to Vio either. There was no continuity there at all. It's like he just up and decided to check out Luci's "version" of the story. You would think he would have done that right away and not waited all this time. Maybe the writers will explain later why he just up and decided to check it out.
I really hate the way Max hauls women around like that. Conny is is SIL you would never think he would treat her like that. If Max can't see his Rosa is mentally ill, he is blind, jus' sayin'. I think Max really does love Rosa. I think the only reason he is gettin' it on with Vicky is cause Rosa wouldn't "do it", with him.
Rosa is just way out there. It's weird how she justifies everything she has done. It's always someone else's fault, never her own. I am really curious about how she got this way. The jealousy issue, the envy. I too wonder why Conny puts up with her, and her kids, she treats them all like they are three years old. Rosa was so rude to Pato, I think Pato knows she is mentally ill.
Like how LASTRA hi-tailed it to his office, lol. I guess he doesn't want to be DEAD TO ME'S punching bag anymore. I wonder who that woman is that was with Lastra? Could he be married? This is the second time she has been with him.
Glad Ofelia is back with Marinita and Estelita. Maybe DEAD TO ME kept his word and found her.
Hanna is too cute with Boris. I liked her idea for the tacos, but I think she is really wanting to see Lorenzo again.
Yeah Gala sure was pithed. Her little scheme along with Rosa and Julie is unraveling big time. I can't wait for her to get hit by the piecart. She thinks she "owns" Rod now lock, stock and barrel. I wonder what she will cook up now, once she finds out Rod went to Het Het.
Liking Conny and Oscar too. So glad they were able to go off on their little weekend, now no Julie or work to interrupt. They do belong together.
Like how Claudio is confronting things. He has a lot of strength. I hope he gets justice.
I love how this TN is moving right along. The pacing is good and the story is wonderful, the best TN I've seen in a while.
Does the verb profanar mean to profane?
wow if it blew Rod away to find out Luci only worked at the Inferno only for a few hours, what's he going to say when he finds out Claudio is Luci's father??
Those near syncopal episodes Luci keeps having have only one possible diagnosis in the Journal of Telenovela Medicine.
Vivi - ITA about allowing the more mature actors to shining w/intense scenes and your statement about Claudio being completely clueless about Melissa's crush. I'm sure he'll be flattered and will let her down gently. And yes Rod is checking out the wrong story but at least he's trying to get some info.
We still haven't seen Ariche's mother or abuelo yet have we?
Daisynjay - Connie and Mati are enablers and their conversation w/Rosa really made me mad at them for their obvious years of this behavior. I think Diana mentioned this earlier but really Connie, now you think sis might be crazy. Both she and Mati need to see UA's insanity def above.
And Luci is a great heroine (though I could do w/less crying especially over a man, who is SO unworthy). She is smart and not a push over.
Anna - though Claudio and Paz make a great team, I think both have been written so that each loved and married his/her one true love; each seem content to live alone until they meet their spouses again in heaven. I don't think they'll marry one another.
Anon 10:17 am - good question. What did cause Rod to finally ask ANY questions let alone Violet? Last we saw him he was allowing his father to get him to hate Claudio more and I expected to start acting like he's crazed mother.
Also when the witched lied to him, did they imply Claudio was Luci's lover or did he, brain-trust that he is, deduce that on his own?
I'm not sure either what prompted him to finally ask questions. He has been miserable with himself lately, and I don't think he wants to give up on having Luci in his life, no matter what he says. Pato, Hannah, Melissa, and even Max have tried to talk sense into him about Luci. Perhaps seeing how they have an unshaken belief in Luci, and how Pato has managed to maintain a relationship with Luci has moved him to get some answers and some closure.
Poor Conny got the shock of her life when she found out how far Rosa was willing to go. Deep down i think she never wanted to go along with it but one apparently does not say no to Rosa.
Add me to the list of people who was afraid something bad was going to happen to Claudio but then it was only poor Melissa. It is interesting that Claudio is so astute about everything but isn't picking up on her signals. Then again he adored Aurora and spent the last 20 years in prison so he is a bit out of touch. In any vent I don't see him waltzing off into the sunset with any of the ladies. He is a one man woman.
Don A reamins a pig. Some protector - he is still out to get into Luci's pants no matter what he told Claudio. Interesting too that in the previews he is on the phone with Gage me bitching about DimRod and his palomita. That is certain to put the cat among the pigeons.and I fear does not bode well for Luci.
I keep wondering why the idea that Luci is a Linares is so threatening to Gageme and Julie? Rod loved her when she was a poor domestica so why if she suddenly has a boatload of money and a fine pedigree would that be any different. I guess the idea that she is in their social class and could be traveling in their circle is massively threatening to them.
So Dimbuld Rod finally goes to Vi to ask a question he should have days ago and to Luci. I hope she rips him a new one. Obviously while Pato is a quick thinker the route to his big head takes Rod way longer. I too remain puzzled as to why now, perhaps in the convo with Vi we'll learn what the trigger was. Then again it is possible he's been thinking about it from the beginning and didn't have the guts to act.
I too could not believe that Rod was trying to confirm Luci story. How dare he!!! The one he needs to talk to about the facts is Gagme and her evil twin mother, Julie. There is just something not right with that boy's thinking.
Madelaine,
You are probably right about the Max/Rosa relationship. And there is also the factor that they are partners in crime in the Claudio fraud.
If Max wanted the keep Vicki around at his beck and call, why is she working. He should set her up in her own apartment and give her a generous allowance. He should keep her in style, not demand she sneak around. Sugar Daddy material he is not! I think he is more about control, because he thinks he can.
RP
ITA about max&rosa's relationship. I hate to say this because I don't want to give excuses to either one of the them, but I think that if rosa was more affectionate the marriage would be different. For the most part he's been concerned about her medical issues & wants to protect her legally for the things she's done. either way though they totally have a warped marriage
decie girl: I think it's threatening to them, because that's what gale&julie value (money, name, etc.) so they assume that everyone else does too. they prob assume that rod first looked at luci because they think she was easy or something
when melissa starts mooning over linares, I just find it awkward...& agree that don't think that linares (or paz) will find someone before the end of the tn.
a good thing about this tn, is that even though we did not have much storyline with the 2 leading characters, I find almost every characters' story interesting, not much FF going on for me
thanks for the recap marta!
jlk
I think that before this over Don A and Magda will end up together.
RP
I think Max does love Rosa and maybe feels in part he's to blame for her crazy insecurities. If he didn't love Rosa, he'd be having a real affair instead of just sex on the side with sweet but dim-bulb Vicki.
I fear for Claudio. He's smart, but Max is smart and ruthless.
Poor NimRod waking up a bit too late. My guess is Gala will find a way for Luci to know that they slept together.
So funny when Max told Frigida to stop spying. Don A is always a hoot. He's still trying to get Luci but at least he's now gentlemanly about it.
Vivi, you need to get a job with Televisa to keep the facts straight for them. They certain could use the help.
Rosemary Primera
In the beginning Rosa wasn't acting loco, she was a bit hyper religious obviously because she has a guilty conscience and she was demanding of her children. She didn't care for Gala (now her BFF) because the woman had been divorced and there would be no church wedding with her adored Rod.
We know that she was jealous even as a child and she clearly envied Aurora and how other people reacted to the woman and not to her. Like her son who is imagining an affair between Claudio and Luci she imagined an affair between Max and Aurora and poisoned her own marriage.
Enter Luci/Aurora who immediately reminds her of the younger beautiful woman who threatened her years before. All Rosa has to do is what she told Conny - look in the mirror. And now this girl is threatening to take Rod away from her as she imagined Aurora did Max. Hence the beginning of hr crazy behavior to try and turn back the clock.
Rosa doesn't have a tumor, she isn't bi-polar what she is is -MENOPAUSAL!
I loved the scenes with Rosa and Max. When Linares told Max about Rosa messing with the grave, I had forgotten that Max didn't know about that yet. He seemed truly shocked. Rosa is really going looney tunes big time.
Luci will now have her own career with her pottery skills. She won't have to rely on anyone anymore. When she takes Rod back, it will be on her own terms. Wonder if that will be before or after the baby is born. hmmmm
I went back and watch the episode again and it clearly has 1967-1995 so Aurora was 28 years old.
So, if they were all together at university, that makes them all 48-50+ range.
Not that any of this changes the story!
RP
I know, I should just sit back and enjoy the ride, but some of this stuff really bothers me.
Rosemary Primera
I knew I could count on you for an answer. So I doubt if there is any video. I doubt if they had digital 20 years ago and they could have transfered film to digital but I doubt if they would do that considering the expense.
Of course, this is all moot, Max knows that Claudio did not commit the crime. Just another ruse on his part.
RP
Interesting theory. I can see a bank recording the comings and goings of customers but would they also record private activity in the bank. I am thinking about when I go to my safety deposit box, I know they record my coming and going but they better not record what I do once I am inside a private, secure area when I have my box.
Poor Max is giving the guys busy work, I do believe. The only way they could find anything was if they hired someone that looked like Claudio to do the dirty work.
Rosemary Primera
ITA with Vivi (she always gets to post first....) that it was Pato's interest in Luci and getting well enough to go visit her and contact her by phone that's making him feel a little guilty. Maybe there's some room for reflection on his stance and realize that Mom and Julie bamboozled him.
Anon at 1:12. Good guesses (I guess), but it's more likely that Rosa and Max were in on the embezzlement. They certainly wanted to be successful, financially and socially, and found a way to do it. I don't think Max wants *all* the bank tapes, just the ones Claudio was asking for--ostensibly to "be forewarned of the information CL was arming himself with. Max still believes that there will be nothing to inculpate him.
More later--I had to get your *all caps* comment off my mind.
Anita
Anita
She was *done,* leaving Max and Conny sort of not knowing what to do next--they still wanted to carry on (can't remember if Mati was still there).
Anita
Menopausal... having just turned 49 i better warn my kids of whats coming if i will be anything like Rosa la Loca here. how old are they supposed to be here anyway? in their early 50s? i am guessing Rod the older one is around 30 give or take a couple yrs.
JudyB---Yes, I too am afraid for Claudio. Not because of the open door, but I fear Max might send a hit squad to track Claudio down in the future. From this point on, he is very much in danger.
RP---I have been thinking that all along--the Gagme pregnant thing.
the gringo
I hope Max doesn't find out about Melissa's crush and try to use it against Claudio. I don't care how good he is to his kids, he's still a jerk.
On a happy, not-this-novela-realated note: LA VENDIMIA! (All those CME watchers will remember this). I got to go down to LA Cetto for the Pan, Queso y Vino festival, one of the wine harvest events taking place this week. Nice to see Valle de Guadalupe in person and would love to get down to Baja more. It's not the hour and a half drive that's a problem to VdG; it's the 2 and half hour border wait. That's a lot of work for the one bottle of wine we're allowed to bring back. Sadly, no La Bonita sighting, but still fun!
Kelly
I agree that Rosa didn't need to steal money to give to Paz and Galdino. Plus, I don't think she gave them that much money. CL went to jail for stealing MILLIONS. We have seen Rosa writing her own personal checks for things like paying off Julia and Gala to pay off Lastra and Aquiles. I'm sure as mistress of the house, she has access to their personal accounts and Max probably doesn't monitor those. The house is Rosa's business, not his.
I almost always ignore dates in novelas. They get shown all over the world so at some point the dates will be correct. The smart thing for the props people to do is not to have dates obviously shown or even mentioned so that the shelf life of the novela is longer.
I worry about things happening to Claudio but as ruthless as Max is I don't think he is a killer. If there is anyone who might be a killer in the Torreslanda family it would be Rosa who constantly tells people they don't know what she is capable of. Then again Rod is a killer of dreams.
Claudio and Aurora are Luci’s parents: Paz, Magda, Claudio, Luci, Rosa, Max, Connie, Mati, Estelita, Padre, Vio, Frigida, Julie, Gala, Lic. Barrera, Norma
Rosa stole a baby and gave it away: All the people above, plus Oscar (who doesn’t know who the child/parents were)
Rosa desecrated two graves to sustain a lie: Rosa, Max, Claudio, Mati, Connie, Padre, the grave digger and cemetery manager
Max committed fraud and framed Claudio: Claudio, Max, Rosa, Barrera, Norma—Claudio has told Luci, but she said that Max always treated her well, Luci then told Magda and Paz
Max is owner of the Inferno: Max, Lastra, Aldo
Max is having an affair with Vicky: Max, Vicky, Aldo, Rod, Pato
Claudio is fighting to clear his name: Everyone; but Rod and everyone at the company have been convinced by Max that Claudio is guilty. Oscar seems to have an open mind that Claudio may be innocent, but doesn’t suspect that Max is the guilty party.
Luci was the waitress Rod defended at Inferno: Everyone now knows.
Thanks for the list.
The trial should start soon. Hopefully, we will get a lot of questions answered at that time.
RP
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