Tuesday, August 27, 2013
Corazon Indomable #76, 8/27/13: The Venganza is ON!
Labels: Indomable
I loved MA telling Miguel off at the end. I only wish Tav had been there too. I think either MA and Solita had a talk abt the fire or she realized the coincidence of her being in jail when the fire occurred was too much.
Lucia looks ready for war. Excited to see the sparks explode!
And I thought it was funny that Tav turned again and remembered Lucia's crime enough to remind Miguel of it. Should we hold our breath to see if he still remembers once in MAs office?
I especially liked the title. Yes, the venganza is ON and the MUD is being mixed as we write/ speak. So, glad Maricruz finally realized what happened to her abuelito. I still think Ester should run as fast as she can even if she suddenly looks 6-7 months pregnant.
Jarifa
Jarifa
I'm missing these episodes but it sounds like things are finally happening, even if those things don't make complete sense. That's to be expected in this show. MA has been all over the place with the original revenge, then revenge on Carola, then revenge on Doris...hard to keep track of all that. If she had stuck with the original plan she might have known to wait until the venganza was done and THEN reveal herself to Octavio. Make him destitute/alcoholic/homeless/whatever so he wouldn't have a chance to take the baby away. Nice to see her a little more focused.
Kelly
I really enjoyed MC giving it to Miguel. It s/b really interesting when she lets Lucia have it.
ABC can do a good job when she has sth to work with.
I too hope Lucia can make her date with mud.
The editing and timing continue to be shameful in this tn.
I do so hope they come out and explain the legal ramifications of being married under a different name. it wasn't fraud, as she truly thought she was Mari Cruz at the time, and then she must have gone through some type of legal name change or something.
I dare not hold my breath though.....
Just thinking.....
What if MC did not become so rich and powerful and lucky enough to find her rich father, where would she be.
She would remain downtrodden, sunk in mud, and resigned to her destiny of being poor, marginalized together with her daughter and sister, and forever looked down and loathed by these very rich people such as the Narvaezes and most of all by Octavio who only looks at her with pity.
why she would be forever dreaming of someday she would become rich and do her revenge.
Look how he reacted when he saw his baby in tattered dress. He was going to get his daughter away from the poor illiterate mother.! Oh his insolence!!!
Initially, I was thinking of love will conquer all and I would normally think everything will be forgiven after an initial revenge tasting.
But seeing the Narvaez' reaction to MC/MA, wow, You go Girl, exact your revenge and take no prisoners. None of them felt guilty, all of them are defiant, showing only fear of the revenge and the loss of their wealth. All of them blaming each other. None of them is ready to go to her and cry for forgiveness.
I am not a vengeful person and I probably would forgive readily, but how would you ever give justice to this one. Even if they see MC dressed in her finest and with the knowledge that she is a wealthy woman, in their eyes, (Doris included) she is still nothing. They would probably tell her that no amount of money can cover her stink and no amount of education can change her wildness. That's how cruel and evil they are. Right now for me, Octavio and MC's love is irreconcilable.
But "hope springs eternal" I wonder if there is hope for him, He had already said a lot of hurtful things about MC, I hope he changes.
Alegria
I'm also sad, because no one from the Narvaez family changed. They almost ruined the life of 3 people, one is dead. But they still think, that they are the only victims of this story. And they act like victims. And the worst - our galan is from this family.
Alegria
If she actually would speak to some her friends like Tobi, Serafina, or Santa, and told them everything that's going on, they would actually be able to give her advice. But she is guarding this so closely, no one, not even Raiza and Juanita who know bits a pieces, know the whole story and what she's planning. And even they have advised moving on at times, since it's obvious these schemes aren't making her happy in the least.
But Lucia is made of steel and hard to break, and Tav is made of Teflon, everything just slides right off. All three of them are missing their sensitivity chips.
When they bopped to Ester and JA in their happy new home, I thought WTH, a fast forward now? but NOOOOO. So maybe we're dealing with the alternate universe theory? At this rate back at el Rancho, I expect Ester to be giving birth on Monday.
Back at Isla where you can marry people who are married to other people and your children don't age, we're about to see MC going ballistic on Lucia. Let's hope for a really fur-flying, let her rip girl fight.
At this point, how in the blazes MC and Tav make it to happy land at the end of this TN, which we know they will, is beyond me. I agree they have chemistry, but are nowhere suited to each other in "living happily ever after". At this point, I think Ester and JA have a better chance. But then TN's are great for forcing couples together and giving us those miraculous "they are fine now" endings.
Daisynjay
Of course Maricruz is right in blaming Lucía for the fire that killed Ramiro, but she has absolutely no way of knowing this. In any event, there is not much doubt that a mudslide is headed our way.
Wow, it does look like Ester's pregnancy is moving right along. It doesn't seem that long ago that I was covering the conception. Time flies.
Carlos
Yes, I guess the JA/Ester wedding ended up on the cutting room floor. Once again, we just have to concede that this isn't Masterpiece Theatre and go with the flow. It's in Spanish and we're learning.
Vivi, loved your Peace Corps story. My grandmother cooked on a wood-burning stove and washed the diapers of her 7 children with well water. The outhouse was a bit of a trek...or at least seemed so to me, as a small child, when we visited.
I can't imagine, realistically, that Ester knows how to cook, whether in an equipped kitchen or that smokehouse that JA built. But again, why worry about reality? As long as the story stays in Spanish, I'll watch.
Mud, mud, mud? Can't see Lucia caving. She's a hard woman with a rock-solid sense of entitlement and no capability for self-honesty or making amends. The confrontation will be interesting.
While we can't predict what the TN lawyers/judges will say about a person who thought her name was MC but later found out that it was MA, this does not seem to me to invalidate the marriage. Octavio married one woman who was he believed to be MC and fathered a child with her. She (and he) later learn she is legally MA. It seems to me that both protagonists sill need to clear up the paper work of their union so they both can be free to contract even more disastrous marriages.
My drinking water had to be boiled, but boiling over an open charcoal or wood stove meant that a little ash always got into my drinking water. Yum! Ah, memories.
Yeah Esther has certainly let herself go. But her love will keep the bug bites, the achy back, the hungry stomach, the heat, and anything else we can think of, all away. Because this is TN land and love conquers all! ;))
Yes, Ester and the shack being pregnant. The bathroom becomes vitally important the closer to the due date. I don't envy her with the outhouse, the heat, the makeshift bed, the cooking and washing clothes in the river.
So we have to pretend we know about Ester and JA's wedding taking place, MA finding out that Lucia ordered the shack to be burned down, and Solita's son's name. Anything else?
Time passes for some people, but not for others. It's like everyone's in separate, but parallel, universes.
As Vivi said yesterday both Lucia and Tav are horrible people who don't take responsibility for their actions. Perhaps if they both spent some jail time,they may be humbled somewhat but it may take actual hospital time because of serious injury for either to change.
Even with a bullet recap, you still got in some great lines---He proudly shows her around their holey shack.---They may find another way to come to an agreement
[mud, mud.mud!!!]---He shouldn't be afraid of a women.[Tav obviously borrowed JA's copy of the
Caveman's Guide to Life.
I can't wait for the Lucifer Maricruz meeting tonight. I think that Lucifer would look good with some mud on her wild eyes. What do you think Carlos, a little mud in Lucifer's overly mascaraed eyes?
I want both things---not only do I want Lucifer to get her makeup ruined in the mud pit, I also want Maricruz to take the ranch, like now! No deals, no playing around, do it!!!
Vida2---You're right, none of them feel guilty, they are all defiant.
None of them want to ask for forgiveness. I say, attack like a lion and give no mercy until all three are down on their knees begging for it. Then give them mercy only if they go out and work to help the poor.
Vivi---Lucia is made of steel and hard to break. Tav is made of teflon, everything just slides right off. Yes, but for how long?
Daisynjay---How in the blazes will
MC and Tav make it to happyland at the end of this tn? At this point, it seems impossible unless either one or both of them have a change of attitude.
It is long since past, but I think that the empty gas container is still out in the tall grass by Mari's burnt out shack. Proof positive of the fire and death of Ramiro, but unless Lucifer confesses to ordering the burning of the shack, how can anyone prove it? Maybe Solita can.
the gringo
the gringo
Birth Certificate #1: Mari was born in D.F. as Maria Alejandra Mendoza Olivares to Guadalupe Olivares Mendoza and her husband Alejandro Mendoza.
Birth Certificate #2: Then Lupe got ticked off at Alejandro, left him and took her baby with her back to Tamaulipas where she was from. She was SO mad at him, that she wanted to make it hard for him to locate them, and she didn't want her daughter to have any trace of him. So she went down to the local city hall, or whatever, and registered her daughter for a birth certificate under the name Maricruz Olivares (father unknown).
Is it illegal what Lupe did? I have no idea. But Mari was MA before she was MC.
But does the existence of the first one make the second one illegal?
And if so, is any legal matter done under the second one not valid?
It doesn't seem that Mari was ever registered in school or had a state id or driver's license before she reclaimed her first id. So the marriage is the only legal matter under debate.
So, yeah. Both Tav and Miguel know that Lucia was behind Ramiro's death. Will any of them ever admit it to Mari's face, or appologize for it? Any time soon? Doubtful.
But it is an interesting dilemma and got me digging. The legalities are actually pretty interesting, but most answers I found online point to the original certificate that was registered and recognized as holding more weight in cases where two are out there for some goofs on paperwork. However, if MA's mother went through the full process of LEGALLY changing her daughter's name and removed the father and that was authorized in the registers, that one can take precedent. Which would interestingly mean that MA's is the name that is no longer valid--could she lose her inheritance? From what I can gather where it gets messy, it's all about the lawyers and proving who is who and bucks are needed to straighten it all out.
But this is a TN, so I'm sure we will see a whole new set of laws we never knew existed to make the plot work.
Daisynjay
Wouldn't the process of legally changing Mari's name mean that Lupita should have presented the old birth certificate to the authorities and said-- this is who she was? Then they would have taken away the first birth certificate when they issued the new one. (Just like when I became a citizen, the took my old passport, and gave me naturalization papers.) There has to be some documentation of the legal change of names, not just giving you a new birth certificate. And wouldn't the father who was on the original birth certificate have to be in agreement with the change to make it legal?
From the way Ramiro told it, Lupita basically lied, and presented her baby as if she was just getting around to registering her.
I'm sure Alejandro's legal team already had everything worked out to set MA as his legal heir - so no tangles can be introduced there. Done deal.
Tav has no clue as to the law regardless. I think he thinks he has found an excuse that can let him ignore the marriage without getting into (too much) trouble. He hasn't thought through though that this also breaks links with his daughter. If he's not married to MA he has no legal claims on the daughter until he can prove paternity and get court ordered visitation.
"Octavio married the woman, not her name."
and it was her full intention to marry him with no thought of fraud or deception. However, like medical truths, it's likely that legal truths in TNs ultimately depend on the opinion of the writers. And lately it looks as though the basic physical laws are also subject to change based on the whims of the writers. Like Cap'n Picard, they simply have to say, "Make it so!"
Carlos
the gringo
Sorry it's in Spanish, but the presumption of paternity during marriage is stated in clause I; and you'll note that in clause II it even says that paternity is still presumed if the birth occurs within 300 days after dissolution of the marriage.
I think MC is sure that Lucia did it only because she was the only person who could do it.
Alegria
Sorry, I won't pretend to be an expert in family law, but I am a lawyer and have some knowledge of the concepts involved, under both American and Mexican law. Of course, as Carlos said, the writers are free to make up whatever they want to make up about the law. For example, I've noticed that TN writers don't really know the huge difference between "custodial rights" (which can always be lost or reestablished depending on changed circumstances) and "parental rights" (which once terminated cannot be restored).
Here's the definition of termination of parental rights: "The process by which a parent's rights to his or her child are LEGALLY and PERMANENTLY terminated."
So basically, once a parent agrees to give up a child's "patria potestad", or loses it involuntarily, that's supposed to be the end of it. Kaput, finito, no going back and claiming any rights in that child. Whereas when the issue is just custody, the parent that gave up custody can still petition a court to change the custody arrangement.
Of course, that's in real life. In TNs, it's whatever the writers want it to be.
Carlos
@Vivi - Not sure about it's legality, but it should be irrelevant, since the real issue is the legality of the marriage; and I already stated my view that MC did not intend to commit fraud, so there was no fraud, so the marriage is valid, even if the birth certificate itself was legally defective.
Alegria
It makes no sense, of course, that she would ever come back.
But, definitely, the writers will decide what the law is anyway. And the law is wishy washy in Isla Dorada anyway.
That might be a plot point here, well, except for the writers!
Agree that Maricruz committed no fraud obviously.
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