Friday, April 04, 2014

De Que Te Quiero, Te Quiero #20- Fri 4/4

De que tiene urticaria, tiene urticaria

Eleazar visits Carmen in solitary.  He lies that the kids are all fine and tells her she's safer there, away from The General, and that she needs to be careful with her.  He asks her about the bags and Carmen remembers that the tags were still on them and she saved them.

Diego visits the "security" department at Caprico and asks for an incident report and the security videos.  He's surprised to find Natalia in his office and they make googly eyes at each other while she puts him through to someone to return a call.  Outside, a grumpy Karina arrives…late…and gets stalled further by yet another call from Diana.  Grumps is pissed that Natalia is in the office and refuses to apologize to Natalia.  She tries not to provoke him and tells Diego not to fight with him on her account, but well, Grumps needs no provocation.  Diego gives Natalia work-related instructions that she probably both understands and will be able to carry out effectively.  Out at Karina's empty desk, Vicente does a little mental math and decides Karina + Diana = Trouble.  As Karina skids to a halt in front of her desk, Vicente summons her into his office.  She's still frantically scratching her neck as he asks her when, exactly, she touched the baggies, because he never saw her.  Of course, she can't give him a good answer.   "Diana's the one who told you to plant the drugs, right?"  Karina confesses they did it together, but it was Diana's idea.  Vicente is furious because they could have gotten the company in trouble.  He tells Karina she'd better not call Diana and warn her as he storms out of the office.

Eleazar calls Alberto to tell him about the tags. He's going over to the house to look for them right now, but first he calls Natalia to fill her in.  Natalia won't leave work, but she reminds him that Luz has keys to Garcia Central Station.  She notices Karina and her frantic neck-rubbing, but Karina says it's nothing, to the accompaniment of her incessantly-ringing cell phone.  Karina's looking disturbed enough that Natalia seems concerned about her.  Cause she's nice like that.  Or possibly because she's worried that once Karina rips her own throat out, they'll never get the blood out of those fancy carpets.  Even Diego notices the neck abuse.  Karina starts to crack, saying it's all too much…though she never says what, exactly.  Diego gives Natalia some more instructions before he heads out to the plant.  Someone from the foundation that sent Tad to Paris and asked him to jury yesterday now calls Vicente to ask about the appointment that Vicente is blowing off to deal with his miscreant granddaughter-in-law.

Vicente goes to the house, screaming for Diana, but she's out.  Irene is home, though.  He gets the call from Karina about his meeting, but he tells her to cancel it.  Irene grabs him as he clutches his chest and swoons.  I gotta say, I don't think Vicente's obsessive need to control everyone around him is good for his health.  Of course, he probably thinks the problem is that they won't allow him to control them, but that's Vicente for you.

Eleazar looks through the boxes on Carmen's dresser, but he can't find the tags.  He finds a picture of Carmen with all the kids and wonders where he'd put a box of romantic mementos…if he had one. He finds a box under her nightstand.  It's got baby clothes in it…and pictures of the baby daddies, who he recognizes on sight and knows by name…annnnnnnnnd tickets from when they first got a movie theater in Tuxpan and went to see a horror movie together.  He remembers how he was totally angling for her to clutch him in terror, but he was the one who ended up nearly crawling into her lap.  And he liked it, too, just like he always likes Carmen's heavenly hugs.  "What if you had loved me like I always dreamed you would?"

Lala and Irene hustle Vicente out of his jacket and tie and into bed.  Lala goes to call the doctor as Vicente gripes that it's nothing and he's fine.

Diana keeps calling Karina, who keeps hanging up on her.  Karina finally answers the phone long enough to tell Diana that Diego's not there and neither is "that woman" (ese tipa) for the moment.

At the Artsy Fartsy Foundation meeting, a suit calls it to order, noting that Vicente won't be joining them.  Tad is surprised to hear they were expecting Vicente at all.  "Oh, yeah.  He's our biggest sponsor.  Has been since 1991.  I distinctly remember how, on the day he became our sponsor, we had a solar eclipse.  We were all meeting him and it suddenly went from day to night."  Yes, that always happens when an evil rat bastard shows up to give a lot of money to a charitable foundation that sends the dude who's boinking his daughter to Paris just before she can tell him she's pregnant, not that it would have mattered anyway.  Tad does the math, too.

Diana hauls Natalia into the ladies' room to berate her so-called friend Eulalia for being two-faced.  "Let's drop the pretense!"  "OK," replies Natalia, "I saw you kissing your lover."  Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Diana!

Finally, in a folded-up piece of paper, Eleazar finds the luggage tags and calls Morales.  He sends Morales to the suitcase store to find out when the bags were sold.

Diana tells Natalia she's struck gold and is willing to pay for her silence.  "Oh, save it.  If I'd wanted to tell him, I would have, but it's none of my business."  Still, Diana would feel better if Gabriela would accept the money.  "Oh, stuff it!  My mama and Papa Juancho didn't raise me to be that way, back when I was a little girl in Tuxpan!"  Oops…she said the "T" word!  Diana realizes who Natalia is and thinks she's been around since Diego met her.  "It's on now!  You're going down!"  Whatever.  Natalia's not going to let Diana step all over her.  "I met him when he was single, and I hadn't seen him in years, until I showed up here.  And I'm not fixin' to interfere in his marriage, even you totally have it coming.  Besides, it's not like I really need to give him the scoop to convince him to divorce you."  Diana swears Diego's been hers for, like, ever.  And, of course, this convinces Natalia that Diana was Diego's girlfriend back when she met him in Tuxpan.  Really, Natalia?

The doctor's verdict is high blood pressure…and Vicente has refused to treat it.  Irene knows it's serious, but she doesn't think she can convince him to take care of himself.

Artsy Fartsy Foundation meeting breaks up and Tad asks the guy who told that touching eclipse story if he's, like, absolutely, totally, completely sure of the date Vicente joined the foundation.  Well, sure he's sure…and not only that, Vicente made it a condition of joining that Tad win the scholarship/internship that year.  "Boy, you sure owe him one!"

Irene calls Diego to tell him about Vicente's health.  She wants to pass on the responsibility of convincing him not to drive himself into an early grave on to Diego.  Not that he thinks he'd do a better job of that than Irene would.  He's intrigued to hear that Vicente drove himself to the house and was looking for Diana.

Who is currently interrupting her friend's workday yet again to complain that Natalia's "that girl from Tuxpan."  She tells Karina that her brilliant strategy was to make Natalia think that Diego was still dating her when she met him in Tuxpan.  "But that's not true."  Whatever.  Diana demands that Karina reinforce the idea every chance she gets.  Karina's actual boss calls to tell her to cancel all his appointments for the day.  Diana hopes to go home and convince him to join in her vendetta against Natalia.  Karina's still all itchy, on account of having followed Vicente's instructions and not warned Diana that she's in big trouble with Grumps.

The suitcase shop is tracking down the sale and they have no problem giving Eleazar the security videos once they figure out what day the suitcases were sold.  Or so they say.  I dunno.  Maybe they're in on it and they're the ones who put the extra zipper in.

Karina steps away from her desk for a moment, telling Natalia to answer her phone if it rings.  Natalia reminds her to say "Please," but it goes over Karina's head.  Diego shows up, and he's brought Natalia a present.  Insta-soup.  Ok, that's kind of cute.  But she's not in the mood--she'd rather talk about whether he was dating anyone when he met her in Tuxpan.  Seriously, Natalia?

Diana gets home and finds out that Vicente's having blood pressure problems.  And boy is she gleeful, thinking this makes him ripe for manipulation.

Diego, of course, swears he wasn't with anyone.  He reminds her that they were interrupted that night by Alonso, saying "Dr. Mendoza" had shown up.  Well, "Dr. Mendoza" was really Diana, who had followed him out there, cause she was obsessed with him and wouldn't take "no" for an answer.  He went to go tell her to leave and to keep her from doing anything bad to Natalia.  Natalia buys it, but she won't tell him why she asked in the first place.

Diana goes into Vicente's room and puts on the waterworks.  She starts to tell him about Natalia being "that girl from Tuxpan," but Vicente trumps with "I know you're the one who planted the drugs in that girl's desk."  He rips into her for being stupid, lowering herself to what he thinks is Natalia's "level," and doing something that could have messed with his bidness.

Diego asks Karina if Diana stopped by.  He takes the neck rubbing as a "yes."

Vicente digs into Diana some more, saying he only "let" her marry Diego because he thought she'd be a classy broad, but now that he sees she's a lowlife, he's got half a mind to support Diego in getting a divorce.  Diana babbles about how she luuuuuurves Diego and just wanted to get Natalia away from him.  In the background, Irene passes by the partially-open door as Grumps says that they can agree on that, "but not by bringing drugs into my company!  This had better be the last time, or I'll turn you in."  Irene has entered the room by the time Grumps finishes his speech.  She leaves his medicine and says it's up to him whether he takes it or not.

Natalia's eating her Instasoup in the break room.  Diego comes in to eat HIS Instasoup, which, hey, it's a free break room, so she can't really object.  She has to give him instructions for the soup, and then asks him to please eat it in his office.  Diego swears again that he told the truth about not being with Diana when he met her.  His only proof is a kiss, though, so he basically threatens to kiss her if she won't believe him.  "Fine, I believe you.  Gimme the soup and I'll show you how to do this."

Irene is interrupted in her sketching by a call from Tad.  He wastes time asking her not to hang up on him and saying he has to say something important.  So she hangs up on him.

The store video shows The Louse buying the bags.  The clerk remembers him as being charming and handing her one of his cards.  Of course it says "Roberto Esparza, Broker," which Morales remembers as the name he used at the hotel in Miami.  Morales escorts the clerk to the station to take her statement, after Eleazar assures her that she's not in any trouble and her testimony could help free an innocent woman.

Irene can't get back to her sketching and calls Alonso.  She tells him about the phone call from Tad and that she really wants a drink.  Alonso tells her to get the hell out of the house and meet him at the café.

Diego asks Natalia about Diana's visit.  "She was just trying to get to me, that's all."  Diego is sure there was more to it than that.  "She wanted to know if I was the one from Tuxpan.  She didn't know it before, she just figured it out because I mentioned Tuxpan."  Diego says the whole mess with Diana will be over soon.  "Whatever.  That's your deal.  How's the soup?"  Diego says it's the awesomest soup ever…cause he's eating it with her, of course.

Irene shows up at the café, shaken, and insisting that all she really needs is for Tad to go away and for her never to see him again.  She cries about what a mess she is and Alonso insists she's "talented, creative, caring, beautiful…a woman in every sense of the word."  Irene, if you don't want him, I'll take him!

Diego should be working, but he's too busy thinking about how he was thisclose to kissing Natalia in the break room.  "Security" shows up with the video Diego asked for.  He says it's not very clear, and indeed, it's not.  Two very pixellated figures skulk around in the hallway.  It would probably useless in court.  They should probably get an upgrade.  The security guy knows the footage was from last night, just after Natalia showed up, but she's the only person other than Diego who was signed in.

Monday: Smoochies, luuuuuurve, screechy Diana.

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Don't worry. Mr. 5ft is making me baked, gluten-free hot wings. My telenovios are clearly no threat to him. In fact, I believe he scoffs in their general direction.
 

LMAO at:
"Yes, that always happens when an evil rat bastard shows up to give a lot of money to a charitable foundation that sends the dude who's boinking his daughter to Paris just before she can tell him she's pregnant, not that it would have mattered anyway. Tad does the math, too."

I like that the writers seem to think like the viewer sometimes. Example: The luggage tags could have been a QTH? Who the hell keeps the luggage tags? plot device, but by having the scene with El going through the mementos the viewer thinks "Ah, Carmen would keep luggage tags...because it is her first trip out of Mexico."

It makes me feel like someone is trying NOT to insult my intelligence. It's another reason I like this show.
 

Kat, sensational from start to finish. What a detailed, perfect recap. Fantastic.

In addition to what Sara already pointed out, "Out at Karina's empty desk, Vicente does a little mental math and decides Karina + Diana = Trouble", "Or possibly because she's worried that once Karina rips her own throat out, they'll never get the blood out of those fancy carpets" and "He takes the neck rubbing as a "yes." were my favorites.

Glad Eleazar is making progress with the luggage tags (great point Sara about why Carmen would save them - I might have done that myself)...

The actress playing Karina is doing a great job here - I almost feel like scratching my neck - her itching seems all too real! What a lousy spot her character is in. No spoiler but I can see her coming into the light before this is over and becoming an ally of Nat's.

I feel for Tad and what happened to him. He didn't seem overly caring or sensitive from the flashbacks we have seen but Gramps evil maniputlation was cringeworthy.

Kat "My telenovios are clearly no threat to him. In fact, I believe he scoffs in their general direction" made me smile. You always make everythig so much fun!

Diana
 

Awwwww, thank you both :) Some nights, this show makes it easy. Mr. 5ft was out of the room for the eclipse story, so as he's reading the recap I had to tell him that, yes, seriously, that's the story the guy told. Such a funny thing for the writers to have put in there!

I think it's only a matter of time before Karina is in a "do-or-get fired" situation with Grumps and Natalia saves her bacon. Though, why he hasn't fired her already is beyond me. She's so terrified of him she can't manage to do anything correctly, assuming she knows how in the first place. Plus with all the spying and the drugs. Maybe he'll fire her when he gets back to the office.
 

Grumps probably won't fire Karina as long as Natalia is there b/c Natalia would be his secretary until they found a replacement.

Irene heard the Diana planting drugs convo. I wonder if she will go to Diego or Natalia with that.

Although Grumps manipulated the situation, Tadeo didn't care enough about Irene to stay. Grumps didn't force him to leave.

I'm assuming the Frenchman was Brigitte's daddy and the Italian was Paolo's. Apparently Lupita and Abdul's daddies were not attractive...I did not catch what nationality Abdul's dad was.
 

"Grumps didn't force him to leave."

The blame can't be laid on just Grumps' doorstep. I agree. Grumps orchestrated a situation. Ultimately it was Tadeo who chose to leave.


 

The blame for Tadeo leaving is spread all around, actually. Old Geezer for the scholarship and Tadeo for being somewhat selfish, but the main blame is on Irene's shoulders. Artists are usually "free spirits" and don't want to be tied down, so I'm sure Tadeo was staying true to form and wanted Irene to be happy for him that one of his dreams (to study in Paris) was about to come true. Certainly if he really loved her he would've been tuned in to her feelings for him and realized that she was upset, but SHE NEVER TOLD HIM she was pregnant. She never told her she wanted him to stay with her and the baby. Sure, he could've been a little sensitive to her feelings, but he certainly doesn't deserve the treatment he's been receiving from her. The guy wasn't being uncaring ... he was just clueless. We've seen his response once he found out about her pregnancy all these years later .. I believe he was genuinely shocked that she could keep something like that from him and that she believes he wouldn't have been responsible years ago.
 

5ft, you are amazing, you get the recap out about an hour after you see it. I would have to tape it with captions, re-watch, look up words & 2 days later you would get the recap.
Tks so much for helping us with your incredible sense of humor. Sr. 5ft also.

I guess Irene & Tadeo never corresponded after he went to Paris, which is odd if there was any feeling at all. I can understand Irene acting the way she is but I don't get Tadeo.
Apparently after all these years it dawns on him that he loves Irene???
I want her with Alonso, Tadeo can get lost.
 

I'm on the fence about Tadeo. The actor always seems to play self-interested jerks, so I am assuming that's his role here as well. I agree that he did seem genuinely shocked when he found out about the pregnancy.

And I'm not jumping on the Tadeo bandwagon here, but it does seem to me that Irene is acting like it's ALL his fault that she had to give birth outside in the rain and that the baby died. You are right, Anon6:35. She NEVER told Tadeo she was pregnant. TADEO did not send her off to Tuxpan...Vicente did. Yet here she is in the old geezer's house.
 

Irene tried to tell him she was pregnant and he brushed her off. He wasn't interested in anything she had to say; he was consumed with winning the scholarship. If he were interested in something serious with Irene at that time he may have wanted to stay. He wasn't...which to be fair, he was young and not ready to settle down.

Irene could also be under the impression Tadeo didn't want anything to do with her. Vicente could've intercepted their letters to each other. If this was 1991, this was before widespread use of the internet, so no Facebook, no email, no instant messaging was widely in effect then. You wrote a letter or made a call & that was about it.

We need to know more about what Tadeo did after he won the scholarship in '91 to assess his character. Either Vicente intercepted their letters to each other or Tadeo was so consumed with his art career he forgot all about Irene. I tend to think it's both...Vicente wanted to get rid of Tadeo but Tadeo wasn't all that interested in Irene. He cared about sure, had fun times, but not looking for anything serious.

Irene has only recently come back to Mexico City. She's been living in Monterrey. If it weren't for Diego, she'd be back in Monterrey.
 

Irene tried to tell him she was pregnant and he brushed her off. He wasn't interested in anything she had to say; he was consumed with winning the scholarship. If he were interested in something serious with Irene at that time he may have wanted to stay. He wasn't...which to be fair, he was young and not ready to settle down.

Irene could also be under the impression Tadeo didn't want anything to do with her. Vicente could've intercepted their letters to each other. If this was 1991, this was before widespread use of the internet, so no Facebook, no email, no instant messaging was widely in effect then. You wrote a letter or made a call & that was about it.

We need to know more about what Tadeo did after he won the scholarship in '91 to assess his character. Either Vicente intercepted their letters to each other or Tadeo was so consumed with his art career he forgot all about Irene. I tend to think it's both...Vicente wanted to get rid of Tadeo but Tadeo wasn't all that interested in Irene. He cared about sure, had fun times, but not looking for anything serious.

Irene has only recently come back to Mexico City. She's been living in Monterrey. If it weren't for Diego, she'd be back in Monterrey.
 

My interpretation of Irene's behavior toward Tad is that it's not a voluntary response, like she's trying to punish him on purpose...more that he reminds her of what happened, and thinking about what happened makes her want to drink herself to death, so she pushes him away. Considering the way things went the first couple of times she saw him, I would much rather her hang up on him and refuse to see him and stay sober until she can work through some of the trauma. Maybe when she's stronger, they can sit down and she can tell him what happened, but she's not capable of doing that right now without going into a tailspin. I dislike that he's putting his need to know above her physical and mental health, though I guess nobody's bothered to pull him aside and say "Hey, I know this is important to you, but every time she sees you it seriously messes her up, so back off!"
 

" I dislike that he's putting his need to know above her physical and mental health, though I guess nobody's bothered to pull him aside and say "Hey, I know this is important to you, but every time she sees you it seriously messes her up, so back off!"


I think Tadeo is just consumed with himself and he doesn't consider other peoples feelings because it's all about him. It was all about him in 1991 when he got the scholarship & didn't want to hear what Irene had to say and it's all about him in 2014 when he's been told (by several people) Irene does not want to talk to him.
 

I don't think Tadeo "didn't want to hear" what Irene had to say way back when. Yes, he was being excited about his scholarship and totally only thinking about what it meant to him and for him. But when Irene looked at him like she wanted to tell him something, he looked at her questioningly and she said, "never mind." Sure, he should have insisted that she tell him what was on her mind, but she wasn't assertive enough to shut him up for a second and tell him, "I'm pregnant!" THEN if he went on his merry way she would have every reason to hate him. But I agree with 5ft - it's not so much that Irene is blaming him for everything, it's just that just looking at him brings up all her baby trauma and emotionally messes her up. I don't like Tadeo for Irene, but I just don't think he's as much to blame as she is for not telling him about the baby in the first place. Of course, then where would this storyline be in the tn? lol
 

Actually, what happened was, he was giddy about Paris, he was talking about how nothing was going to stop him from going, and she asked "What if I told you I was pregnant?" And since he was in the middle of his Paris-induced high, he said "Even that wouldn't stop me." So she didn't bother actually telling him, but she sorta did tell him. If she can be held responsible for that, then he also needs to be held responsible for knowing they've had sex and not stopping and saying "Hey, wait a minute...where did that question come from?" But, again, his brain was filled with thoughts of Paris and it didn't have room for anything else. It was a big cluster-F. If she'd found out she was pregnant the week before, things might have been different, but instead, she found out on Paris Day.
 

Since I was looking at that recap anyway, I noticed that he mentioned, when they ran into each other at the gallery, that they broke up because he went to Paris. So, in his mind at least, it was just natural that they broke up,... I mean, why carry on a long-distance relationship?...but since it wasn't an angry parting he couldn't understand why she wouldn't be happy to see him. He didn't verbally wonder why she never got in touch with him or anything like that, which I would think, confronted with an Angry Irene after all these years, would be a pretty easy thing to throw back in her face, "What are you so upset about? I'm the one who wrote to you and you never answered!" Unless the writers are going to completely twist this later, it sounds like things went the way he expected--they broke up, he went to Paris, they lived their lives--and the only thing that he thought was bizarre was that she was angry at him.

I don't think he is or was trying to be hurtful with his selfishness, he just seems to be one of those people who doesn't "get it"--that they're not the center of the universe and that other people might have stuff going on that's more important to them than whatever his needs are.
 

Even after everything g that's happened, Tadeo keeps coming after Irene, even interrupting her meal with another man. Why did he send her the shredded up picture? Dude, leave her alone! I understand his need to know what happened to his child, but she's told you to leave her alone, her dad has told you to leave her alone, you don't see or hear of her with any children and she gets visibly upset whenever she's around you. Catch a clue and leave her alone.
 

Ugh, the picture! It was such a waste! Cause if anybody needs to hear that you can take something broken and make something new out of it that's beautiful, it's Irene...if only that hadn't come from freakin' TAD!
 

Freakin' Tad! What a twerp.

He doesn't seem to play large role in the opening credits. Maybe he'll be out of the picture soon.
 

Kat- So sorry to be getting to this recap so late. Loved your quip about Vicente and the eclipse. So very appropriate. The old grump did look very sad and vulnerable slumped against Irene like that. I almost felt something for him. But then he woke up and opened his mouth, and the feeling passed quickly.

I sure hope Irene tells Diego what she overheard. Although he already seems to be on the right track about the drugs.

Will we ever get the twin/rape thing cleared up?!

El was cute going through Carmen's memory box. I like how he melted when he took out each of the baby items (much as Carmen would). He obviously love her kids dearly, even though he tries to maintain a gruff/tough attitude. Loved the memory of he and Carm at the movies as teens. He needs to man up and tell her how he feels. Obviously, he's important to her since she saved those ticket stubs. He called one of her ex-novios "The Turk", so I assume that was Adbul's daddy.
 

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