Thursday, May 28, 2015
La Sombra del Pasado #73 5/28/15 I am weary. Let me rest.
I'm out of recapper juice, this show is killing me and I'm ready to cross that river. Hence the title...inspired by this bluegrass tune.
It's gonna be crap y'all. All over the place, condensed all to hell and missing large chunks of action and the drama. I didn't take notes and I only half watched it again for recapping purposes. It really wasn't that bad. Maybe it was just me. Just seemed dull.
I've arranged it by plot thread. Sort of.
The DNA plot Thread
Padre J demands that Sev submit to DNA testing against Cris, Aldonza AND Emanuel. Padre explains to Cande that he has a suspicion that Emanuel is the child of Roberta and Sev. Sev absolutely refuses to submit a sample. Padre is surprised. He would think Sev would want to clear things up. Sev continues his protest. Emanuel is not his son. He told Padre that that child was a still born girl. The two get into one holy (or unholy) shouting match, which brings Cris down the stairs to investigate. He's all for a test. Sev finally succeeds in getting the Padre to leave. More and more Cris is convinced his parents made up the whole sibling thing. Sev tells him to go ahead and marry Aldonza then. Cris realizes his mother never intended to help him. Cris asks Hum about how to do a DNA test. Hum takes offense. He's not going to help Cris with this. Val's happiness is at stake. (Hey, Hum...happiness is a choice.)
Silvia calls Cris and asks to meet with him.
Silvia informs Cris that he and Aldonza can get the test done without a sample from Sev. She gives him the card of a clinic in the DF. Cris is over the moon excited. Silvia asks Cris not to tell anyone about this information. He promptly tells Padre J and then swears him to secrecy and to act as if they were in confession.
Sev and Cande fight. Sev refuses to let the Padre in his house ever again and he questions why Cande is so willing to help the Padre. Sev is also still pissed about Cande's sibling bomb. Cande reminds them they can still use Val's night with Cris to keep Aldonza and Cris apart.
The Cris, Val Aldonza, Renato BS Thread
Aldnza whines at the waterfall with Lola. Some blather about Cris has Val and Aldonza will never have anyone. Lola encourages her to give it a go with Renato. I hate scenes with freaking running water. So hard to hear.
Val and Pru are still going on the trip. Val is sure she and Cris will be tying the not and plans to do some wedding shopping. But first she stops at El Santuario to be a be-yotch to Aldonza. Val tells Aldonza to stay away from Cris. At one point Aldonza makes a slight move forward and Val backs up. Ha ha. Other than that. Aldonza doesn't do much.
The Mis Planes Plot Thread
Renato asks to meet with Aldonza. He tells her the divorce (isn't that different from an anullment? Why are we changing the terminology all of a sudden?) He also tells her to get a move on in the planting. She knits her brows and talks about giving up. She doesn't know how she can manage. She had planned to use the income from the sale of the apartment and what her mother left her to make an offer Hum couldn't refuse. Renato offers to invest his inheritance. Aldonza agrees. I scratch my head because I thought we had already done this plot point. Oh, Silvia is listening at the door. So Aldonza agrees to take Renato's money. They write up an offer on the land. Aldonza takes it to Hum.
Hum refuses to sell. He's still smarting from the double dealing about Sev's animals. Aldonza tries to tell him that the land is everything to her. It's part of her. Hum gives us that tired line about it being Val's patrimony. Aldonza scoffs at that, "Like Val gives a rat's patootie about that." (I'm loosely translating based on what I remember.)
The Mari, Lola, Pato, Emanuel Plot Thread
I'm sure there will be rants. Mari was back to her old self tonight. Any progress she may have been making has gone out the window. Mari goes to visit Irma and tells her about her dinner date with Pato. Which Lola overhears. Lola gets all huffy and angry.
Pato comes to see Lola. Lola breaks up with Pato.
Pato mopes on a corner. Mari happens by. She apologizes for telling Lola about their dinner. Pato mopes some more. Mari says surely Lola is jealous. That's a good thing. Pato can still win her back.
Meanwhile, Lola explains to Irma that she's not jealous. She's just tired of Mari always wanting what's Lola's.
The Water Plot Thread
Yeah. It's new. I did't pay close attention and I probably should have. Not much water at Las Animas. Aldonza let the workers get water from El Santuario. Sev overhears.
Aldonza also mentioned it to Hum during their meeting.
The Is It Or Isn't It a Plot Thread
Lulu tells Irma she has two boyfriends. One is real sweet with great manner, but half stupid (medio zonzo.) The other (Luis?) is a bad boy, but HUBBA HUBBA!! Irma says she needs to make up her mind and be honest with the other one. And she can't say this to Lola or Mari because.....?
Oh, it is a plot point. Padre arrives and Irma asks him about arranging a mass for Lardo and to talk to Uriel.
Uriel is still depressed. Padre J shares with him how he felt when his brother Ray died. He was angry too and asked why God took his brother. Uriel says that Ray was good. Part of Uriel's pain is that his son never had a chance to mend his ways. Uriel just can't go on. Padre J takes Abelardo's watch from Uriel's hands and tells him to let Abelardo rest in peace. Uriel needs to be the husband and father his family needs.
The Flavia and Joaquin Plot Thread
Flavia hands over Little Ray for a wad of cash. She gets in the taxi and sobs. Like that's gonna make me pity you, b!tch. Joaquin, take Little Ray and head back home.
The Stupid Main Couple Plot Thread
Cris goes to see Aldonza, but she isn't there and he has to wait. Camilo is the bomb. Aldonza finally arrives. Cris is all excited to tell her they can get a DNA test and Aldonza is all pissy because she thinks Cris slept with Val. Aldonza says "I'm tired of fighting." Dafuq you say? FIGHTING? Girl, you haven't fought at all.
Oh Geez. Fill in in the comments. I can't take this dumb-sh*ttery.
The If She's My Sister, Then She Get's Half My Stuff Plot Thread or Take This Ranch and Shove It Plot Line
Cris tells Sev that if they get the test done and it shows Aldonza is his sister, then she should have half of Las Animas. Sev reminds him that Las Animas belongs to Cande. Ok, then. Cris suggests that Sev give El Santuario back to Aldonza. Sev says that the land belonged to his family long before Aldonza's family had it. No way Aldonza's getting it. Cris says Sev needs to make up for not taking care of Aldonza. Cris says he and the Padre are just seeking a little justice. Cris figures if Sev doesn't want to give Aldonza anything, that must mean she isn't anything to Sev. Sev says again, that Las Animas is not his to give. He tells Cris the he is his only legitimate son and whether he has a lot or a little, it is all for Cris.
Cris tells him to save it. He doesn't want anything that comes from Sev.
Previous: Episode 72
Next: Episode 74
It's gonna be crap y'all. All over the place, condensed all to hell and missing large chunks of action and the drama. I didn't take notes and I only half watched it again for recapping purposes. It really wasn't that bad. Maybe it was just me. Just seemed dull.
I've arranged it by plot thread. Sort of.
The DNA plot Thread
Padre J demands that Sev submit to DNA testing against Cris, Aldonza AND Emanuel. Padre explains to Cande that he has a suspicion that Emanuel is the child of Roberta and Sev. Sev absolutely refuses to submit a sample. Padre is surprised. He would think Sev would want to clear things up. Sev continues his protest. Emanuel is not his son. He told Padre that that child was a still born girl. The two get into one holy (or unholy) shouting match, which brings Cris down the stairs to investigate. He's all for a test. Sev finally succeeds in getting the Padre to leave. More and more Cris is convinced his parents made up the whole sibling thing. Sev tells him to go ahead and marry Aldonza then. Cris realizes his mother never intended to help him. Cris asks Hum about how to do a DNA test. Hum takes offense. He's not going to help Cris with this. Val's happiness is at stake. (Hey, Hum...happiness is a choice.)
Silvia calls Cris and asks to meet with him.
Silvia informs Cris that he and Aldonza can get the test done without a sample from Sev. She gives him the card of a clinic in the DF. Cris is over the moon excited. Silvia asks Cris not to tell anyone about this information. He promptly tells Padre J and then swears him to secrecy and to act as if they were in confession.
Sev and Cande fight. Sev refuses to let the Padre in his house ever again and he questions why Cande is so willing to help the Padre. Sev is also still pissed about Cande's sibling bomb. Cande reminds them they can still use Val's night with Cris to keep Aldonza and Cris apart.
The Cris, Val Aldonza, Renato BS Thread
Aldnza whines at the waterfall with Lola. Some blather about Cris has Val and Aldonza will never have anyone. Lola encourages her to give it a go with Renato. I hate scenes with freaking running water. So hard to hear.
Val and Pru are still going on the trip. Val is sure she and Cris will be tying the not and plans to do some wedding shopping. But first she stops at El Santuario to be a be-yotch to Aldonza. Val tells Aldonza to stay away from Cris. At one point Aldonza makes a slight move forward and Val backs up. Ha ha. Other than that. Aldonza doesn't do much.
The Mis Planes Plot Thread
Renato asks to meet with Aldonza. He tells her the divorce (isn't that different from an anullment? Why are we changing the terminology all of a sudden?) He also tells her to get a move on in the planting. She knits her brows and talks about giving up. She doesn't know how she can manage. She had planned to use the income from the sale of the apartment and what her mother left her to make an offer Hum couldn't refuse. Renato offers to invest his inheritance. Aldonza agrees. I scratch my head because I thought we had already done this plot point. Oh, Silvia is listening at the door. So Aldonza agrees to take Renato's money. They write up an offer on the land. Aldonza takes it to Hum.
Hum refuses to sell. He's still smarting from the double dealing about Sev's animals. Aldonza tries to tell him that the land is everything to her. It's part of her. Hum gives us that tired line about it being Val's patrimony. Aldonza scoffs at that, "Like Val gives a rat's patootie about that." (I'm loosely translating based on what I remember.)
The Mari, Lola, Pato, Emanuel Plot Thread
I'm sure there will be rants. Mari was back to her old self tonight. Any progress she may have been making has gone out the window. Mari goes to visit Irma and tells her about her dinner date with Pato. Which Lola overhears. Lola gets all huffy and angry.
Pato comes to see Lola. Lola breaks up with Pato.
Pato mopes on a corner. Mari happens by. She apologizes for telling Lola about their dinner. Pato mopes some more. Mari says surely Lola is jealous. That's a good thing. Pato can still win her back.
Meanwhile, Lola explains to Irma that she's not jealous. She's just tired of Mari always wanting what's Lola's.
The Water Plot Thread
Yeah. It's new. I did't pay close attention and I probably should have. Not much water at Las Animas. Aldonza let the workers get water from El Santuario. Sev overhears.
Aldonza also mentioned it to Hum during their meeting.
The Is It Or Isn't It a Plot Thread
Lulu tells Irma she has two boyfriends. One is real sweet with great manner, but half stupid (medio zonzo.) The other (Luis?) is a bad boy, but HUBBA HUBBA!! Irma says she needs to make up her mind and be honest with the other one. And she can't say this to Lola or Mari because.....?
Oh, it is a plot point. Padre arrives and Irma asks him about arranging a mass for Lardo and to talk to Uriel.
Uriel is still depressed. Padre J shares with him how he felt when his brother Ray died. He was angry too and asked why God took his brother. Uriel says that Ray was good. Part of Uriel's pain is that his son never had a chance to mend his ways. Uriel just can't go on. Padre J takes Abelardo's watch from Uriel's hands and tells him to let Abelardo rest in peace. Uriel needs to be the husband and father his family needs.
The Flavia and Joaquin Plot Thread
Flavia hands over Little Ray for a wad of cash. She gets in the taxi and sobs. Like that's gonna make me pity you, b!tch. Joaquin, take Little Ray and head back home.
The Stupid Main Couple Plot Thread
Cris goes to see Aldonza, but she isn't there and he has to wait. Camilo is the bomb. Aldonza finally arrives. Cris is all excited to tell her they can get a DNA test and Aldonza is all pissy because she thinks Cris slept with Val. Aldonza says "I'm tired of fighting." Dafuq you say? FIGHTING? Girl, you haven't fought at all.
Oh Geez. Fill in in the comments. I can't take this dumb-sh*ttery.
The If She's My Sister, Then She Get's Half My Stuff Plot Thread or Take This Ranch and Shove It Plot Line
Cris tells Sev that if they get the test done and it shows Aldonza is his sister, then she should have half of Las Animas. Sev reminds him that Las Animas belongs to Cande. Ok, then. Cris suggests that Sev give El Santuario back to Aldonza. Sev says that the land belonged to his family long before Aldonza's family had it. No way Aldonza's getting it. Cris says Sev needs to make up for not taking care of Aldonza. Cris says he and the Padre are just seeking a little justice. Cris figures if Sev doesn't want to give Aldonza anything, that must mean she isn't anything to Sev. Sev says again, that Las Animas is not his to give. He tells Cris the he is his only legitimate son and whether he has a lot or a little, it is all for Cris.
Cris tells him to save it. He doesn't want anything that comes from Sev.
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Next: Episode 74
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With Allie now, all I see more and more is a very broken young lady, taking advantage of friends, walking away from dealing with issues just like she did with her horrors before as if just NOT dealing with it is the way you deal with it...and poof, it will just go away
I am finding it increasingly not interesting, and bordering on irresponsible, that we are seeing this woman dangle in pain and hurt psyche and I'm not sure the writers think that's a problem with that. It's drama. We're getting frustrated because she was shown as smart, strong and almost fearful. Now, she's a mess and going in circles.
To some extent,I do blame the portrayal of Ade because as the keeper of the secrets, she has taken it to extremes that now are causing more damage than helping.She's beginning to drive me batty. Interestingly, I notice Allie is pushing Ade away too. And with pushing Cris away,Allie is becoming increasingly alone now in who knows her past, and that's just plain wrong. PJ at the least should have been told as her father figure. Heck if you can't confide in a priest...
I know...the writers were kidnapped in the night, and they brought in the Meija team to take their place. It's Friday, we need a triple round of Melon Martinis on the patio.
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What you talkin' 'bout, Sara? This recap was perfect. This water storyline could become big. Sanitation has a TON of water, and water is scarce elsewhere, particularly at Las Animas. I see an even bigger conflict than the animal grazing issue coming up.
Yay! Ray is back with Jaoquin. Don't care if we ever see Flavia again, but I'm guessing we will since she's with wanted murderer, Adriano.
Yay! Ray is back with Jaoquin. Don't care if we ever see Flavia again, but I'm guessing we will since she's with wanted murderer, Adriano.
Yeah. I definitely knew I needed to include the water bit. If there's a ranch and they start talking water, it's going to be important!
And thanks for your kind words about the recap. I just wasn't feeling it tonight. It always makes me feel bad.
And thanks for your kind words about the recap. I just wasn't feeling it tonight. It always makes me feel bad.
I even wonder why Al is being nice enough to give the LA folks access to the water. I don't see that lasting for much longer.
As for the mis planes. We learned a little more tonight. It seems that it was always Al's intention to buy the land back for more than Hum paid for it, with the sale of the apartment. So it doesn't matter that the lease is just for a year, although Ren echoed us by telling her to hurry up with the planting because they really only have a year at this point. But now in addition to being her partner, along with Joaquin, on the farm biz/crops, he'd also be part owner of the land, if Hum sold. Ren also gave Ale the good news that the apartment sold for more than they thought, so she will have enough money to pay the neighbors, and to put up a good portion of the money to buy the land from Hum.
As for the mis planes. We learned a little more tonight. It seems that it was always Al's intention to buy the land back for more than Hum paid for it, with the sale of the apartment. So it doesn't matter that the lease is just for a year, although Ren echoed us by telling her to hurry up with the planting because they really only have a year at this point. But now in addition to being her partner, along with Joaquin, on the farm biz/crops, he'd also be part owner of the land, if Hum sold. Ren also gave Ale the good news that the apartment sold for more than they thought, so she will have enough money to pay the neighbors, and to put up a good portion of the money to buy the land from Hum.
Of course, they are making a BIG assumption that Hum will want to sell- even if he would be making a profit, as they offered, there's no guarantee he will sell.
Sara - Your recap is 100% A-okay with me! Thank you! With the current status of this storyline, the RPC is definitely in order. I may not even have the heart to watch tonight's tontería.
The writers definitely went on strike or vacation and the interns . . . or else Mrs. Gonzalez's eighth grade Spanish class . . . have taken over the writing.
Seriously, it's more like the writers highlighted, copied and pasted from the basic telenovela formula book. Gah.
The writers definitely went on strike or vacation and the interns . . . or else Mrs. Gonzalez's eighth grade Spanish class . . . have taken over the writing.
Seriously, it's more like the writers highlighted, copied and pasted from the basic telenovela formula book. Gah.
Hum would not sell that land because he knows Sev would kill him, if not figuratively, then literally.
Wanna know something sad? I give my Spanish Twos a long list of common novela phrases (it's like 150+ phrases) and I break it into chunks of 20 and given them several quizzes. Then after watching a couple TNs I make them write a scene by mixing and matching the phrases, adding some of their own stuff and following a few guidelines.
They come up with stuff about as good as this. And a hell of a lot better than La Gata.
They come up with stuff about as good as this. And a hell of a lot better than La Gata.
I could have used this list several times! Where were you then, Sara? Please don't insult or antagonize the recapper!
Sara. Thank you for this recap and I feel you in every word of it. And thank you for that beautiful song, "I am Weary. Let Me Rest." I love Bluegrass and am going to look for that for my ipod. In the associated videos I see another one by the Cox family that I had heard another artist do. Gonna check that out, too!
I can't even rant tonight. Aldonza having the nerve to upbraid Cris and tell him that HE is the one that always complicates everything! What nerve! All she has ever done is run away from him; she NEVER talks anything over and her insistence that they're siblings is just STOOPID! It really DOES look like she doesn't want a relationship with Cris and is looking for every excuse in the book. She's as effective a saboteur of their relationship as Cande and Vile.
I'm really finding it hard to even empathize with Aldonza because of all the crap she's been through. She just seems like a miserable drama queen to me.
Now Silvia is a breath of fresh air: Smart, clear thinking, proactive, up front. I see nothing objectionable about her alliance with Cris to help him and Aldonza stay together leaving Renato free to wake up and realize how much she loves him. I just fear he's not going to survive this piece and she'll be all alone and thus "punished" for being a smart, career-minded lady in a genre where apparently pretty, helpless and stupid is preferred.
What was that look when Sev learned that Aldonza was sharing water with his animals?
Always enjoy y'alls take on things. Once again Sara, thank you!
I can't even rant tonight. Aldonza having the nerve to upbraid Cris and tell him that HE is the one that always complicates everything! What nerve! All she has ever done is run away from him; she NEVER talks anything over and her insistence that they're siblings is just STOOPID! It really DOES look like she doesn't want a relationship with Cris and is looking for every excuse in the book. She's as effective a saboteur of their relationship as Cande and Vile.
I'm really finding it hard to even empathize with Aldonza because of all the crap she's been through. She just seems like a miserable drama queen to me.
Now Silvia is a breath of fresh air: Smart, clear thinking, proactive, up front. I see nothing objectionable about her alliance with Cris to help him and Aldonza stay together leaving Renato free to wake up and realize how much she loves him. I just fear he's not going to survive this piece and she'll be all alone and thus "punished" for being a smart, career-minded lady in a genre where apparently pretty, helpless and stupid is preferred.
What was that look when Sev learned that Aldonza was sharing water with his animals?
Always enjoy y'alls take on things. Once again Sara, thank you!
Hey, Cyn! Nice to see you! I actually got the idea from Kat and she pointed me to the linked posts and and the blog mom's rules. Kat has a similar statement on the Tuesday recap?
Are you watching Sombra or are you TNed out after Hasta? Y'all were amazing to recap the whooole thing.
Are you watching Sombra or are you TNed out after Hasta? Y'all were amazing to recap the whooole thing.
Lila- Cande and Vile should just sit back and let Aldonza do all the sabotaging for them.
I also forgot that during her confrontation with Cris Aldonza said he should be with Val since Val can actually do it. I'm being crude, but basically Aldonza admitted to not even being sure if she can have intimate relations. I'm sure this is just set up for the next break up.
I also forgot that during her confrontation with Cris Aldonza said he should be with Val since Val can actually do it. I'm being crude, but basically Aldonza admitted to not even being sure if she can have intimate relations. I'm sure this is just set up for the next break up.
Good stuff, Sara.
I agree that Aldonza doesn't want to deal with being married to the son of her rapist. That's why she's sending Cris right into Val's trap and resisting the DNA test.
I've had it with the Pat and Lola and Emanuel and Mari stuff.
It's time for somebody to kick some ass!
I agree that Aldonza doesn't want to deal with being married to the son of her rapist. That's why she's sending Cris right into Val's trap and resisting the DNA test.
I've had it with the Pat and Lola and Emanuel and Mari stuff.
It's time for somebody to kick some ass!
The only good thing about Pato, Lola and Mari is the song.
Cyn- I'm glad you decided to comment! Hope you stick around. Though it looks like we're getting into the doldrums part.
Cyn- I'm glad you decided to comment! Hope you stick around. Though it looks like we're getting into the doldrums part.
Oops again.
Lila- that particular song is also on the Oh Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack. I absolutely love bluegrass music.
Lila- that particular song is also on the Oh Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack. I absolutely love bluegrass music.
Sara, Aldonza is making this relationship impossible for Cris. She really is an ally of Cande and Vile. Cris has Padre, Adelina, Silvia, but all the friends and sage advice in the world isn't going to matter if SHE, even if subconsciously, doesn't want their relationship to work.
Yah. I'm weary, too.
Yah. I'm weary, too.
What! Hey! I loaded my ipod with as many of my physical CDs as I could and I could've sworn I own Oh Brother Where Art Thou. . .I need to look for it! God, I just love the clear, soaring voices, the beautiful harmonies and the instruments lilting along weaving a beautiful musical tapestry. . .ah!
Thanks, Sara!
Thanks, Sara!
And you know, Lila. I feel so bad about being weary. This show is still so much better than TSTSNBN, but I'm disappointed that we are getting cliches and an ineffectual protagonista. They've gone and done the bait and switch. Star agricultural student to hand wringer. And I wouldn't be so mad if they would have just once scene where Aldonza tells Adelina "I don't know Tía. I love him, but maybe I'm purposely looking for excuses because I'm afraid of his father." And then the plot moves to her healing and exposing Sev.
Wait. Crap. Maybe it's not on that soundtrack. There was also a CD of a concert done by the artists featured in Oh Brother Where Art Thou.
"I don't know Tía. I love him, but maybe I'm purposely looking for excuses because I'm afraid of his father." And then the plot moves to her healing and exposing Sev.
Sara. That would be WONDERful! You know, it's okay, it would have made sense if she felt that way and this was acknowledged as one of the obstacles the couple had to overcome but by not having that as the foundation of Aldonza's behavior, she just looks flaky at best and manipulative at worst. It totally agree with Silvia: Aldonza is using Renato and HE is obsessed.
But as regards the weariness, I actually felt sad when Vile got Cris into bed. Something died. Oh yeah, I'm still entertained and I was hopeful tonight that Aldonza would be overjoyed about the news that they don't need Sev's funky DNA to clear up the sibling thing but no, she's offended that Cris slept with Vile. Once again, she won't have anything to do with listening to his side, or hearing fully what Eman was saying. Her vows of love are absolutely meaningless.
Cris doesn't have to go to Vile but as far as I'm concerned, Aldonza is unstable and not to be trusted.
Sara. That would be WONDERful! You know, it's okay, it would have made sense if she felt that way and this was acknowledged as one of the obstacles the couple had to overcome but by not having that as the foundation of Aldonza's behavior, she just looks flaky at best and manipulative at worst. It totally agree with Silvia: Aldonza is using Renato and HE is obsessed.
But as regards the weariness, I actually felt sad when Vile got Cris into bed. Something died. Oh yeah, I'm still entertained and I was hopeful tonight that Aldonza would be overjoyed about the news that they don't need Sev's funky DNA to clear up the sibling thing but no, she's offended that Cris slept with Vile. Once again, she won't have anything to do with listening to his side, or hearing fully what Eman was saying. Her vows of love are absolutely meaningless.
Cris doesn't have to go to Vile but as far as I'm concerned, Aldonza is unstable and not to be trusted.
"... it would have made sense if she felt that way and this was acknowledged as one of the obstacles the couple had to overcome but by not having that as the foundation of Aldonza's behavior, she just looks flaky at best and manipulative at worst."
A thousand times this. They could have gotten just as much story out of this and we wouldn't have has to resort to the drunk Cris storyline.
In other news, I think Thelma Madrigal is going to be another actress that does bad girl better than good girl.
A thousand times this. They could have gotten just as much story out of this and we wouldn't have has to resort to the drunk Cris storyline.
In other news, I think Thelma Madrigal is going to be another actress that does bad girl better than good girl.
Not on my iPod, just bought the Deluxe Edition soundtrack from the movie!
See! This episode wasn't a total wash out afterall!
:D
See! This episode wasn't a total wash out afterall!
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Sara good recap. It is exhausting watch aldonza. She needs avacation from herself. She wont even help cris prove his parents are lying.
It's the powers that be intention that these two people be together, but the girl is not cooperating. Shes given up. Is she even worth fighting for. Cris seems to be alone in this. You'er right, she's doing a better job of keeping them apart than cande and vile and sev. Shes pitiful.
It's the powers that be intention that these two people be together, but the girl is not cooperating. Shes given up. Is she even worth fighting for. Cris seems to be alone in this. You'er right, she's doing a better job of keeping them apart than cande and vile and sev. Shes pitiful.
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: Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:58:00 PM EDT
: Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:58:00 PM EDT
Sara, thanks for the recap and the song. Really loved that song.
At least little Ray got back with Joaquin for relatively little trouble!
Will evil forces impede the Padre in his exploration of Eman's parentage?
At least little Ray got back with Joaquin for relatively little trouble!
Will evil forces impede the Padre in his exploration of Eman's parentage?
Let's see.... Humberto would like to unmask Severiano but is afraid to. We haven't seen any other doctors in SL, let alone geneticists. Aldonza is running away again.
Poor Cris will marry Valeria and live in hell until Ultimas Semanas. He doesn't deserve this.
As to Hum's demand that he marry her, it's 2015! That kind of thinking is antiquated beyond belief.
Poor Cris will marry Valeria and live in hell until Ultimas Semanas. He doesn't deserve this.
As to Hum's demand that he marry her, it's 2015! That kind of thinking is antiquated beyond belief.
All the relevant points, well presented, who could want more? Appreciate your commitment Sara and crave your unique take.
At one of my dinner parties recently a half dozen attending clucking hens asked me, apart from gardening and hosting dinner parties, what do I do in my leisure time? Tennis, golf, Bridge at the Yacht Club, etc, ya know typical wannabe highbrow stuff. So I tell them, oh no, nothing like that, I watch Mexican TN's yet my Spanish is not good but that's not really the hook. I want to be entertained and run through a gauntlet of emotions but not alone. What good is it to ride a roller coaster by yourself, you gotta have a screamer on one side, a crier the other, someone nearly sick, or paralyzed with fear in front and behind. I read recaps & translations by very, very clever folks on a blog and they let me, and whomever else wants, scream & moan & weep and vomit. It's like crack, can't get enough and I get on again and again. Then I smiled daintily. Bitches know nothin.
Tore me up about little Ray but happy Joaquin has him now. Cannot believe, not two weeks ago, I was giving her the benefit of doubt.
We see the impact on the family of a murder victim through Uriel and Irma but no focus on what PJ went through when his brother was murdered. Perhaps because it appeared an accident, so no call for justice. How can Adelina look PJ in the face, knowing what she knows?
I would love it if Cris and Silvia fell for each other.
At one of my dinner parties recently a half dozen attending clucking hens asked me, apart from gardening and hosting dinner parties, what do I do in my leisure time? Tennis, golf, Bridge at the Yacht Club, etc, ya know typical wannabe highbrow stuff. So I tell them, oh no, nothing like that, I watch Mexican TN's yet my Spanish is not good but that's not really the hook. I want to be entertained and run through a gauntlet of emotions but not alone. What good is it to ride a roller coaster by yourself, you gotta have a screamer on one side, a crier the other, someone nearly sick, or paralyzed with fear in front and behind. I read recaps & translations by very, very clever folks on a blog and they let me, and whomever else wants, scream & moan & weep and vomit. It's like crack, can't get enough and I get on again and again. Then I smiled daintily. Bitches know nothin.
Tore me up about little Ray but happy Joaquin has him now. Cannot believe, not two weeks ago, I was giving her the benefit of doubt.
We see the impact on the family of a murder victim through Uriel and Irma but no focus on what PJ went through when his brother was murdered. Perhaps because it appeared an accident, so no call for justice. How can Adelina look PJ in the face, knowing what she knows?
I would love it if Cris and Silvia fell for each other.
Didn't Adelina tell him?
Even if she didn't I don't see how she can't look him in the face. She was nowhere near the scene of the crime and was therefore powerless to stop it. Roberta didn't confess it right away, either.
I'm not sure what impact it would have for him to know other than to burden him with thoughts about whether Aldonza should know. My vote is that he would ultimately decide she had to know before Sev could use this to further destroy her. On that note, I think he would enjoy driving her to suicide.
Even if she didn't I don't see how she can't look him in the face. She was nowhere near the scene of the crime and was therefore powerless to stop it. Roberta didn't confess it right away, either.
I'm not sure what impact it would have for him to know other than to burden him with thoughts about whether Aldonza should know. My vote is that he would ultimately decide she had to know before Sev could use this to further destroy her. On that note, I think he would enjoy driving her to suicide.
Urban- The only thing Adelina told Padre about was the baby. But the murder of Ray, only revealed to her just before their return to SL, is one of the main reasons why she wants Padre to stop digging for the truth about the baby. She knows that once on thing is revealed, it will likely lead to more reveals.
Tofie! Damn, Girl! What a beautiful, gritty, poetic paean to watching telenovelas! I feel renewed from my weariness! I'd stand under a Telerisa banner and sing that anthem with y'all anytime!
Thank you!
Thank you!
Plus, Rob swore her to secrecy about the murder, just like Al swore her to secrecy about the rape. She's walking around carrying the load of other people's traumas and sins.
Hi, Sara. Well you did just great as always. Thank you so much.
For me, the most important theme here is a constantly eroding trust from Cris toward his parents. He is seeing all their warts exposed in full detail thanks to PJ, and he isn't liking it. And, as things progress, I would be willing to bet that Aldonza won't have to tell Cris that it was Sev who raped her; he will uncover enough dirt on his dear ole' dad that he might come to that conclusion himself.
I am still giving Aldonza a pass on her actions, simply because I empathize with her unbelievable dilemma; loathing Sev, and loving his son with all of her heart. Talk about PTSD. She's got it in spades.
Well, it didn't take Mary long to shake off that sadness and revert to bitch, did it?
For me, Val's plans are a kind of comic relief. They never work out. She just keeps digging a deeper hole for herself. She is so engrossed in herself that she can't see the world the way it really is. She is knocked up with a dead deadbeat's spawn and has concocted an easily disproven trap for Cris.
Silvia is a beautiful, intelligent, caring woman. She has a well grounded sense of right and wrong. Hope they don't plan to flip her over to the dark side, but having Renato rub it in her face constantly must be a troubling frustration.
So what was Renato doing when Aldonza called, playing the lawyer equivalent of solitaire with the papers on his desk? I can't believe that he actually has clients.
Thanks again, Sara.
David
For me, the most important theme here is a constantly eroding trust from Cris toward his parents. He is seeing all their warts exposed in full detail thanks to PJ, and he isn't liking it. And, as things progress, I would be willing to bet that Aldonza won't have to tell Cris that it was Sev who raped her; he will uncover enough dirt on his dear ole' dad that he might come to that conclusion himself.
I am still giving Aldonza a pass on her actions, simply because I empathize with her unbelievable dilemma; loathing Sev, and loving his son with all of her heart. Talk about PTSD. She's got it in spades.
Well, it didn't take Mary long to shake off that sadness and revert to bitch, did it?
For me, Val's plans are a kind of comic relief. They never work out. She just keeps digging a deeper hole for herself. She is so engrossed in herself that she can't see the world the way it really is. She is knocked up with a dead deadbeat's spawn and has concocted an easily disproven trap for Cris.
Silvia is a beautiful, intelligent, caring woman. She has a well grounded sense of right and wrong. Hope they don't plan to flip her over to the dark side, but having Renato rub it in her face constantly must be a troubling frustration.
So what was Renato doing when Aldonza called, playing the lawyer equivalent of solitaire with the papers on his desk? I can't believe that he actually has clients.
Thanks again, Sara.
David
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 7:24:00 AM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 7:24:00 AM EDT
Remind me please, what is the thing Adelina fears most about breaking that vow of silence about Ray's murder? I can understand Adelina keeping the secret of the rape: Aldonza is still alive and can release her from that OR reveal it when and how she wishes. Roberta is dead and, perhaps in Adelina's perspective of faith, forgiven for the sins she committed with Sever against Raimundo, her marriage, her family, herself. If this is so, why should Adelina carry the weight, as Vivi so aptly described it, of "other people's traumas and sins"? She could confess to Padre that she agreed to this unfair vow of secrecy so that both he and she can tell Aldonza together. Urban, I agree that they should tell Aldonza before Satan uses it to slice Aldonza the way the rusty machete sliced his arm off so many years ago.
I love that Val doesn't know that Cris and Al are already married, and that SHE'S basically a knocked up mistress. Even if Al and Cris continue with the divorce proceedings, it will take time, and time isn't her friend right now.
Wow, David, I like your perspective on Vile: She is knocked up with a dead deadbeat's spawn and has concocted an easily disproven trap for Cris.
Vile's plans DO keep flopping. Maybe that's why I don't hate her with the intensity I have other bad girls. In the light of morning I can feel more empathy for Aldonza but as Sara stated, it would be good if they would let us in on the anguish and fear behind her bolting and breaking up with Cris by letting her speak openly of her PTSD. I guess maybe they want the viewer to work some and fill in the emotional blanks.
Vile's plans DO keep flopping. Maybe that's why I don't hate her with the intensity I have other bad girls. In the light of morning I can feel more empathy for Aldonza but as Sara stated, it would be good if they would let us in on the anguish and fear behind her bolting and breaking up with Cris by letting her speak openly of her PTSD. I guess maybe they want the viewer to work some and fill in the emotional blanks.
Considering how everyone in SL thinks, Adelina may also be afraid that knowing about Roberta murdering Raymundo might taint Padre J's feelings about Aldonza. We know it won't, as Padre J is not that sort of person, but Adelina has likely become more paranoid since knowing about this herself.
If not for the fact that Satanic Sev can use this against Aldonza, I vote that Aldonza is currently far better off not knowing about it. However, since Sev is guilty of being an accessory after the fact, I'm inclined to think that telling her would be a last resort.
I love how Cris confronted Sev on the consequences of Aldonza being his child. However, the reveal about Emanuel is waiting in the wings. He will have inheritance rights when that happens and unless Mexican law allows someone to disinherit adult offspring Sev can't do a damned thing about it.
If not for the fact that Satanic Sev can use this against Aldonza, I vote that Aldonza is currently far better off not knowing about it. However, since Sev is guilty of being an accessory after the fact, I'm inclined to think that telling her would be a last resort.
I love how Cris confronted Sev on the consequences of Aldonza being his child. However, the reveal about Emanuel is waiting in the wings. He will have inheritance rights when that happens and unless Mexican law allows someone to disinherit adult offspring Sev can't do a damned thing about it.
I think the phrasing "has inheritance rights" is accurate but imprecise. He can inherit anything of Sev's and Sev makes it seem like that isn't much. It's all Cande's. So to my thinking, Eman really doesn't have much claim to Las Animas. Cris is Cande's only child. And that's all that matters in regard to Las Animas. Sure, Cris will offer half of it to Eman since Sev was the one who ran it and kept it profitable, but I doubt that Cande is very concerned about Eman's inheritance rights.
All Eman would want anyway would be El Solitario.
After sleeping on it I've come to the conclusion that I am weary of the writing. They dropped the ball when they updated this story and stuck with the usual tropes and cliches. They really should have made it about Aldonza dealing with her trauma. What they've done now is made her unlikable.
After sleeping on it I've come to the conclusion that I am weary of the writing. They dropped the ball when they updated this story and stuck with the usual tropes and cliches. They really should have made it about Aldonza dealing with her trauma. What they've done now is made her unlikable.
Morning all!
Ugh. That episode was...blach.
Ditto to all. Props to David for keeping the faith because Aldonza...ugh. Girl, enough. She has zero self awareness. Possibly negative. She's tired of fighting? I'm tired of watching her. She won't tell Cris about Sev. She hasn't sought help for the rape. She told Cris to go after Val, and now refuses to even speak to him because he did. She's mad about the "affair" and won't seperate that from their potential sibling status, even KNOWING THAT IT MUST BE DRIVING CRIS NUTS. How is what she demonstrates love? I wish Cris had just said "I don't think you love me at all" and listed the reasons why and walked away. Maybe that would shock her enough to take stock of her actions.
In view of Lola's annoying self last night, Mari wasn't as bad as I thought. And this is me talking. She got mean girlish last night, but only after Lola was shockingly openly gleeful about Mari and E fighting. In front of Irma. In light of the fact that their brother/son just died. It was in poor taste. Then she starts in on Pato, without getting any context and knowing that she's punishing him for something she's mad at Mari about. Not cool Lola.
Really not liking how Renato's insinuated himself into every aspect of Aldie's life or the fact that she's let him. What happens when she does something he doesn't like or can't deal with?
And yeah, why did she think Hum would be on board to deal with her at all after how pissed he was before? She actually said "I don't understand". Um, that's because you're an idiot, Aldonza.
Lila - I think Adelina just doesn't want to have to tell Aldonza and PJ that her sister killed Ray.
Ugh. That episode was...blach.
Ditto to all. Props to David for keeping the faith because Aldonza...ugh. Girl, enough. She has zero self awareness. Possibly negative. She's tired of fighting? I'm tired of watching her. She won't tell Cris about Sev. She hasn't sought help for the rape. She told Cris to go after Val, and now refuses to even speak to him because he did. She's mad about the "affair" and won't seperate that from their potential sibling status, even KNOWING THAT IT MUST BE DRIVING CRIS NUTS. How is what she demonstrates love? I wish Cris had just said "I don't think you love me at all" and listed the reasons why and walked away. Maybe that would shock her enough to take stock of her actions.
In view of Lola's annoying self last night, Mari wasn't as bad as I thought. And this is me talking. She got mean girlish last night, but only after Lola was shockingly openly gleeful about Mari and E fighting. In front of Irma. In light of the fact that their brother/son just died. It was in poor taste. Then she starts in on Pato, without getting any context and knowing that she's punishing him for something she's mad at Mari about. Not cool Lola.
Really not liking how Renato's insinuated himself into every aspect of Aldie's life or the fact that she's let him. What happens when she does something he doesn't like or can't deal with?
And yeah, why did she think Hum would be on board to deal with her at all after how pissed he was before? She actually said "I don't understand". Um, that's because you're an idiot, Aldonza.
Lila - I think Adelina just doesn't want to have to tell Aldonza and PJ that her sister killed Ray.
Nina- I think Aldonza is worth fighting for, but the writers haven't helped us understand why.
David - well said. I am still inclined to cut Aldonza some slack because of her trauma... But it's requiring a lot of beanie adjustment.
La Paloma- Hi! I'm glad you liked the song. I am happy Ray is with Joaquin, but it seemed a little too easy. I'm a little nervous.
tofie- I love that description. It is so much more fun to watch with others. I've never understood why some people turn up their noses at TN watching as entertainment. People like storytelling. TNs might have a tighter budget and not look as polished, but it's storytelling just like the big networks. I don't understand some people's negativity about them.
Urban- I have to put on two beanies for Hum. I can understand a father not wanting his daughter's reputation sullied and Hum is well aware of SL's gossip industry. But the way they are writing the lines makes it sound straight out of a novela de época.
David - well said. I am still inclined to cut Aldonza some slack because of her trauma... But it's requiring a lot of beanie adjustment.
La Paloma- Hi! I'm glad you liked the song. I am happy Ray is with Joaquin, but it seemed a little too easy. I'm a little nervous.
tofie- I love that description. It is so much more fun to watch with others. I've never understood why some people turn up their noses at TN watching as entertainment. People like storytelling. TNs might have a tighter budget and not look as polished, but it's storytelling just like the big networks. I don't understand some people's negativity about them.
Urban- I have to put on two beanies for Hum. I can understand a father not wanting his daughter's reputation sullied and Hum is well aware of SL's gossip industry. But the way they are writing the lines makes it sound straight out of a novela de época.
Sara - Thank you for the recap, which I thought was spot on, especially since that episode was so...blach. I think my short version would've been the only version if I had had to recap it, so I appreciate that you gave the detail you did; it was more than it deserved.
And I agree: They really should have made it about Aldonza dealing with her trauma. What they've done now is made her unlikable. On that point, I'm really not sure why they went this direction. Is she suppose to be strong and fearless? Because she's just coming off as stubborn and irrational and naive.
Maybe the writers put all of their effort into making the Uriel/Irma response to Lardo's death so well thought out?
Also: Dafuq you say? FIGHTING? Girl, you haven't fought at all. YEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!! So much!!!
And I agree: They really should have made it about Aldonza dealing with her trauma. What they've done now is made her unlikable. On that point, I'm really not sure why they went this direction. Is she suppose to be strong and fearless? Because she's just coming off as stubborn and irrational and naive.
Maybe the writers put all of their effort into making the Uriel/Irma response to Lardo's death so well thought out?
Also: Dafuq you say? FIGHTING? Girl, you haven't fought at all. YEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!! So much!!!
On Aldonza- well now that I read Hellashelle's rant...
She is a very frustrating character, but she doesn't stir me to a lot of anger. She's become such a one dimensional character to me that I'm kind of ambivalent. It's at this point in a TN where I just start hoping for a pretty wedding dress.
She is a very frustrating character, but she doesn't stir me to a lot of anger. She's become such a one dimensional character to me that I'm kind of ambivalent. It's at this point in a TN where I just start hoping for a pretty wedding dress.
Mornin', Hellashelle!
Yah. Lola got lost in the shuffle. She's full of shi*t! The nasty way she broke up with Pato, telling him she's fed up with him! What?! She blew him off for dinner like 3 times in a row. . .she doesn't even know the guy, if she did he would see that what he was doing was showing some human kindess for Mari who was trying to have a small ray of light enter her life in the midst of the sadness over Lardo, by going out with her boyfriend, Eman, who stood her up! Hella, you're right about Lola's insensitivity. This and the way she's treating her grandparents makes me want to mount a dart board for silly asses!
Thanks for that on Adelina. She needs to tell Padre for his sake, for her sake. She must walk in the light of the faith she professes. Padre is, after all, a "vicegerent of the Almighty." She thinks she can bear that burden better than he? How much crapier is she going to feel if Sev flings it in Padre's face which, after this last volatile encounter with Padre J, is more of a likelihood!
Well, off to work. Glad I got to hang with y'all a bit!
Yah. Lola got lost in the shuffle. She's full of shi*t! The nasty way she broke up with Pato, telling him she's fed up with him! What?! She blew him off for dinner like 3 times in a row. . .she doesn't even know the guy, if she did he would see that what he was doing was showing some human kindess for Mari who was trying to have a small ray of light enter her life in the midst of the sadness over Lardo, by going out with her boyfriend, Eman, who stood her up! Hella, you're right about Lola's insensitivity. This and the way she's treating her grandparents makes me want to mount a dart board for silly asses!
Thanks for that on Adelina. She needs to tell Padre for his sake, for her sake. She must walk in the light of the faith she professes. Padre is, after all, a "vicegerent of the Almighty." She thinks she can bear that burden better than he? How much crapier is she going to feel if Sev flings it in Padre's face which, after this last volatile encounter with Padre J, is more of a likelihood!
Well, off to work. Glad I got to hang with y'all a bit!
Gees, Sara. We feel your pain, but this was wonderful. You got it all and made us smile. Best kind of recap!
Welcome to the Twilight Zone. Something has to explain some of the doings and whatevers going on. I'm yawning already over the whole Lola/Pato/Mari/e-MAN quadrangle. Put some meat behind this plot or just resolve and let's move on.
And Allie--So you don't bat an eye taking Ren's money now? Is that what "loving like a brother is all about"? And why are you all over Cris now? Again with either jumping to conclusions, believing the gossip - getting stellar at sabotaging this relationship aren't you? I digress, I was really surprised at how quick she jumped on that offer. Getting to the point soon where Ren is going to be the main money man on everything she has or is doing. That will prove interesting.
And I guess there is no doubt that Sev owes everything he has to keeping Cande around. Giggled at the idea he tells Cris you are My heir and only one to get anything....uh, you just said you got nothin'. It's all Cande's. Does NOT explain why that woman has not kicked that idiot to the curb after all these years. If she owns the blasted place, there should have been suitcases at the door after the whole Simonetta thing (by the way--was that the last we see of her? Seems unresolved--so Lola met her, she knows the truth,and Bye bye?). If Cande has only kept him around for the sake of appearances, she is dumber than I thought.
I'm rather liking our galan...he doesn't seem to be taking things laying down ( excuse the expression). And though for awhile there I wasn't too sure of her, Silvia seems to be one of the voices of reason now. I would say Val needs to be hit by a truck, but there is another innocent child at stake.
Bright spot of the night--Joaquin has his little guy! Hurray! and may that witch Flavia sail off with her scummy boyfriend never to be heard from again. (Anyone else want a bus to come out of nowhere and smash that car she got in? Well maybe later, wouldn't have been good to have the little guy see that. Bless his heart. Another SL child that needs a therapist.)
Daisynjay
Welcome to the Twilight Zone. Something has to explain some of the doings and whatevers going on. I'm yawning already over the whole Lola/Pato/Mari/e-MAN quadrangle. Put some meat behind this plot or just resolve and let's move on.
And Allie--So you don't bat an eye taking Ren's money now? Is that what "loving like a brother is all about"? And why are you all over Cris now? Again with either jumping to conclusions, believing the gossip - getting stellar at sabotaging this relationship aren't you? I digress, I was really surprised at how quick she jumped on that offer. Getting to the point soon where Ren is going to be the main money man on everything she has or is doing. That will prove interesting.
And I guess there is no doubt that Sev owes everything he has to keeping Cande around. Giggled at the idea he tells Cris you are My heir and only one to get anything....uh, you just said you got nothin'. It's all Cande's. Does NOT explain why that woman has not kicked that idiot to the curb after all these years. If she owns the blasted place, there should have been suitcases at the door after the whole Simonetta thing (by the way--was that the last we see of her? Seems unresolved--so Lola met her, she knows the truth,and Bye bye?). If Cande has only kept him around for the sake of appearances, she is dumber than I thought.
I'm rather liking our galan...he doesn't seem to be taking things laying down ( excuse the expression). And though for awhile there I wasn't too sure of her, Silvia seems to be one of the voices of reason now. I would say Val needs to be hit by a truck, but there is another innocent child at stake.
Bright spot of the night--Joaquin has his little guy! Hurray! and may that witch Flavia sail off with her scummy boyfriend never to be heard from again. (Anyone else want a bus to come out of nowhere and smash that car she got in? Well maybe later, wouldn't have been good to have the little guy see that. Bless his heart. Another SL child that needs a therapist.)
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 8:26:00 AM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 8:26:00 AM EDT
Hellashelle - I've never understood why the main couple stories are so crappy and the secondary stories (and actors) tend to be more compelling. The same seems to be happening here with Uriel and Irma. Pru and Tomas are comedic compelling. Hell, The Lulu and the candy house stories are more compelling.
Argh! My tablet typing is so slow! Every time I post a comment, there are more that popped up while I was pecking. :-)
The second Renato tried shushing Silvia was when I saw him headed to the dark side. He's mirroring Sev in this and as soon as he does this to Aldonza she will freak out. He definitely has the seeds of a control freak and somebody needs to haul him up short.
Aldonza desperately needs a shrink, but I doubt there are any in SL because nobody there would ever acknowledge the need for them.
It's interesting how the Lagos family is the opposite side of the coin from the Mendozas: Two decent people are the parents and they have two rotten kids while in the other example two rotten parents produced a decent kid. That must be because Cristobal was in boarding schools and a foreign college.
Aldonza desperately needs a shrink, but I doubt there are any in SL because nobody there would ever acknowledge the need for them.
It's interesting how the Lagos family is the opposite side of the coin from the Mendozas: Two decent people are the parents and they have two rotten kids while in the other example two rotten parents produced a decent kid. That must be because Cristobal was in boarding schools and a foreign college.
I'm looking at it from a surviving family members perspective and believe PJ has every right to know what really caused the death of his brother. Yes, Adelina did not participate in the crime but for good or ill she is complicit in it's cover up, no matter when or how she knows. She's carrying this of her own choosing and to me, self inflicted martyrdom. If Adriano tells Flavia he killed Abelardo or she overhears a conversation should she remain silent?
What a disappointment Aldonza's mis planes was no more than hoping she could have enough money after harvest and at the end of the lease to make an offer to Humberto. Bully for you Humberto for not caving to her pout and shame on her expecting every man, woman and child to give her what she wants on demand. Talk about an entitled little bitch.
I totally agree with ya'll that believe Aldonza should quit treating Cris like a yo-yo, despite his idiotic unceasing pursuit, and stick to the breakup this time. She's all too happy with Renato and he's willing to pay for any whim she desires. There is a reason she wanted Renato to remain in her life (though married) despite knowing he loved her and would do anything for her and she has a big ole check to prove she was correct. She didn't have to marry Cris, he gave her a choice, marry me or I'll bugger off and she chose to keep him. I don't like her, despite what happened to her, and she needs to grow up.
What a disappointment Aldonza's mis planes was no more than hoping she could have enough money after harvest and at the end of the lease to make an offer to Humberto. Bully for you Humberto for not caving to her pout and shame on her expecting every man, woman and child to give her what she wants on demand. Talk about an entitled little bitch.
I totally agree with ya'll that believe Aldonza should quit treating Cris like a yo-yo, despite his idiotic unceasing pursuit, and stick to the breakup this time. She's all too happy with Renato and he's willing to pay for any whim she desires. There is a reason she wanted Renato to remain in her life (though married) despite knowing he loved her and would do anything for her and she has a big ole check to prove she was correct. She didn't have to marry Cris, he gave her a choice, marry me or I'll bugger off and she chose to keep him. I don't like her, despite what happened to her, and she needs to grow up.
In that case, Tofie, you see her as her mother's daughter and Aldonza is far from being a whore. I think she is traumatized big time and further, that she is very naive about men and relationships. Especially the part about mixing business and friendship when the guy wants more than friendship. I'll bet she never dated all through college.
Renato doesn't even know about the rape, so what would happen if she married him and also failed to consummate? He is so obsessed with her that he might lose it and try to take what he thinks is his (like in LQLVMR) but she will be seeing Sev at that moment (probably a coincidence, but the two actors have the same blue eyes) and either scream or fight.
Adelina might legally be responsible for covering up a crime under some country's law, but I doubt that much could be done about this now. Humberto is far more guilty in this example because he knew about it immediately after the fact and lied for Sev so that Candela wouldn't know about his sordid affair. Adelina only has Roberta's verbal confession of the crime years later; here in the US I doubt any court could prosecute for this when Roberta is dead, there is no physical evidence left of the crime, and when Sev and Hum are likely to keep their mouths shut.
Your question about Flavia is interesting. I personally think she is a parasite and a hypocrite. She might become afraid of Adriano and try to run back to Joaquin, which would put him and little Ray in danger. Nobody has yet connected the dots about him being Abelardo's killer; his absence should have raised a few eyebrows in view of its timing.
Renato doesn't even know about the rape, so what would happen if she married him and also failed to consummate? He is so obsessed with her that he might lose it and try to take what he thinks is his (like in LQLVMR) but she will be seeing Sev at that moment (probably a coincidence, but the two actors have the same blue eyes) and either scream or fight.
Adelina might legally be responsible for covering up a crime under some country's law, but I doubt that much could be done about this now. Humberto is far more guilty in this example because he knew about it immediately after the fact and lied for Sev so that Candela wouldn't know about his sordid affair. Adelina only has Roberta's verbal confession of the crime years later; here in the US I doubt any court could prosecute for this when Roberta is dead, there is no physical evidence left of the crime, and when Sev and Hum are likely to keep their mouths shut.
Your question about Flavia is interesting. I personally think she is a parasite and a hypocrite. She might become afraid of Adriano and try to run back to Joaquin, which would put him and little Ray in danger. Nobody has yet connected the dots about him being Abelardo's killer; his absence should have raised a few eyebrows in view of its timing.
The difference is Adriano's Flavia's sidepiece (well now her only piece), not her sibling. Dropping him would be hard, but it's possible. Siblings are siblings. Even if you drop them, they're still related. I think it would be hard for anyone to admit tell people that their sibling killed the other person's only other family member. And, as UA said, she has no proof. It's possible that Sev could pay for what he's done, but her confession won't hold much water without Hum's support. (Sev told Hum what happened when Hum was trying to save his arm, right?)
Aldonza's far from being a sexual whore, but she is being a financial and emotional user. And naive as she might be, she's not oblivious. She knows that there's a conflict here, she's mentioned it to Lola before. She's just glad that she's getting away with it so far. Granted, she has few other options: Ren's offering help, she's been honest with him about her feelings and circumstances and no one else that she knows can give her that kind of support, even if they wanted to. Her only other viable option is to give up her plans.
Aldonza's far from being a sexual whore, but she is being a financial and emotional user. And naive as she might be, she's not oblivious. She knows that there's a conflict here, she's mentioned it to Lola before. She's just glad that she's getting away with it so far. Granted, she has few other options: Ren's offering help, she's been honest with him about her feelings and circumstances and no one else that she knows can give her that kind of support, even if they wanted to. Her only other viable option is to give up her plans.
"The Stupid Main Couple Plot Thread" indeed! Thanks Sara for a great recap!
* Aldonza has such a reactionary personality and it's incredibly frustrating to watch. Cris tells her that they can test their DNA together to see if they are siblings or not and she now doesn't want to because she no longer wants to be with him so there's no point? QTH? How about finding out if Severiano, the man who raped you, is your Father? How about finding out if the man who you grew up thinking was your Dad, Ray, is, indeed your actual Father? ...but no. She'd rather deny the test and make stupid decisions based off her feelings at the moment. Classic Aldonza.
I almost fell out of my chair when I heard her say she was tired of fighting last night. Say what? The only person who has been fighting for this relationship has been Cris! Things get hard. Aldonza runs. Cris follows. Aldonza resists. Cris begs. Aldonza makes demands. Cris compromises and makes a million promises to do things exactly the way she says and wants. They get together. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
He loves her. I truly feel and believe that based on his words and actions. I can't say the same for her. She says that he is the love of her life to other people but I just am not feeling it at all based on how she acts. It feels like hollow words.
* I really hope the lightbulb went off in PJ's head when Cris explained how DNA works and how he didn't need Severiano to find out if he and Aldonza were related. Here's to hoping he can add 2+2 and see that all he needs to find out if Emmanuel is the son of Roberta and Sev is the DNA of Aldonza and Cris.
* I am confused by this Joaquin/Flavia/Adriano storyline so maybe someone can help me out here. When the curtain went up, Joaquin/Flavia/Ray are a happy family. Adelina comes back to town and it's insta bitch face from Flavia who accuses Joaquin, the man who is hers, of loving Adelina and wanting to spend a lot of time with her. Joaquin spends lots of time with her anyway against Flavia's wishes and Flavia takes Ray and bolts because she's fed up with Joaquin's supposedly wandering eye and not valuing his family.
Okay - so how did we get to a storyline where Flavia abandons her son and gives him back to Joaquin to run away with her lover, Adriano? Huh? Why is she running away? I know Joaquin filed charges but if she was to return home with Ray, I am sure he wouldn't pursue anything further. She doesn't know that Adriano killed anyone and is on the run himself so why the heck did she just drop her son off and leave town? I feel like I am missing something here, something big because this makes no sense.
*Count me in with the others on not liking how Lola reacted to Pato. She may have a sweet side but she can also be kind of a bitch. Pato did nothing wrong, he seems like such a sweet guy and he doesn't deserve the way she treats him. I am sure he'll end up with Mari in the end and I'd like to see them both happy. Killing off Mari's brother did wonders for her character (for me at least) - I find her more likable than Lola at this point although that could change. I couldn't care less about the B love story's Eman/Lola coupling and their drama and inevitable reunion (speculation on my part but it seems obvious given the fact that they have their own song) but I don't mind Pato/Mari assuming that is where this is headed.
* Silvia continues to be the rockstar of the show. I am seriously loving this girl and hope that we get a proper happy ending for her although I don't see how it could possibly be with Renato and not have it look like he was settling for her big time I hope she doesn't get lost in the shuffle and we follow her journey to the end.
* Lastly, Renato must have gotten some massive inheritance if after starting a law firm he has enough money left over to buy the land from Humberto which must be very, very expensive.
* Aldonza has such a reactionary personality and it's incredibly frustrating to watch. Cris tells her that they can test their DNA together to see if they are siblings or not and she now doesn't want to because she no longer wants to be with him so there's no point? QTH? How about finding out if Severiano, the man who raped you, is your Father? How about finding out if the man who you grew up thinking was your Dad, Ray, is, indeed your actual Father? ...but no. She'd rather deny the test and make stupid decisions based off her feelings at the moment. Classic Aldonza.
I almost fell out of my chair when I heard her say she was tired of fighting last night. Say what? The only person who has been fighting for this relationship has been Cris! Things get hard. Aldonza runs. Cris follows. Aldonza resists. Cris begs. Aldonza makes demands. Cris compromises and makes a million promises to do things exactly the way she says and wants. They get together. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
He loves her. I truly feel and believe that based on his words and actions. I can't say the same for her. She says that he is the love of her life to other people but I just am not feeling it at all based on how she acts. It feels like hollow words.
* I really hope the lightbulb went off in PJ's head when Cris explained how DNA works and how he didn't need Severiano to find out if he and Aldonza were related. Here's to hoping he can add 2+2 and see that all he needs to find out if Emmanuel is the son of Roberta and Sev is the DNA of Aldonza and Cris.
* I am confused by this Joaquin/Flavia/Adriano storyline so maybe someone can help me out here. When the curtain went up, Joaquin/Flavia/Ray are a happy family. Adelina comes back to town and it's insta bitch face from Flavia who accuses Joaquin, the man who is hers, of loving Adelina and wanting to spend a lot of time with her. Joaquin spends lots of time with her anyway against Flavia's wishes and Flavia takes Ray and bolts because she's fed up with Joaquin's supposedly wandering eye and not valuing his family.
Okay - so how did we get to a storyline where Flavia abandons her son and gives him back to Joaquin to run away with her lover, Adriano? Huh? Why is she running away? I know Joaquin filed charges but if she was to return home with Ray, I am sure he wouldn't pursue anything further. She doesn't know that Adriano killed anyone and is on the run himself so why the heck did she just drop her son off and leave town? I feel like I am missing something here, something big because this makes no sense.
*Count me in with the others on not liking how Lola reacted to Pato. She may have a sweet side but she can also be kind of a bitch. Pato did nothing wrong, he seems like such a sweet guy and he doesn't deserve the way she treats him. I am sure he'll end up with Mari in the end and I'd like to see them both happy. Killing off Mari's brother did wonders for her character (for me at least) - I find her more likable than Lola at this point although that could change. I couldn't care less about the B love story's Eman/Lola coupling and their drama and inevitable reunion (speculation on my part but it seems obvious given the fact that they have their own song) but I don't mind Pato/Mari assuming that is where this is headed.
* Silvia continues to be the rockstar of the show. I am seriously loving this girl and hope that we get a proper happy ending for her although I don't see how it could possibly be with Renato and not have it look like he was settling for her big time I hope she doesn't get lost in the shuffle and we follow her journey to the end.
* Lastly, Renato must have gotten some massive inheritance if after starting a law firm he has enough money left over to buy the land from Humberto which must be very, very expensive.
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:00:00 AM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:00:00 AM EDT
Sorry for that looooong post. I just threw out whatever quickly came to mind. ;)
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:01:00 AM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:01:00 AM EDT
No prob, Linda. As for Flavia, I am wondering whether she was fooling around with Adriano before Adelina and Aldonza returned. Her accusations began immediately and aren't the selfish and guilty the quickest to accuse others of their own crimes? That is classic narcissism.
As for Silvia, she would be the one settling for Renato. She deserves someone who is in love with her. I don't think Patricio is mature enough yet and there is still time to introduce someone new.
As for Silvia, she would be the one settling for Renato. She deserves someone who is in love with her. I don't think Patricio is mature enough yet and there is still time to introduce someone new.
I don't think Aldonza a lose woman, far from it, and while she does exhibit some characteristics of Roberta, sleeping with men ain't one and was not a thought. I do agree with Hellashelle that she is irresponsible with money. I know the loss of the apartment was not a choice of hers but even Adelina warned her not to stretch herself too thin financially, that inheritance could be gone in a flash and it is. What I have problem with is how convenient for her to have a guy right there to bail her out when she knows he wants her for his wife. (I even had the thought he may have bought the burned out apartment) I don't see her looking for other sources of income and compared beside Silvia, whom feeds herself and could with the loss of Renato, I cannot say the same for Aldonza unless she ran to another benefactor. I do fault Silvia for being blinded by her love for Renato when he has gotten her fired and threatened to fire her and take away her source of income again if she doesn't do as he says.
We've heard both Dominga and Joaquin say that Flavia's jealous outbursts were normal and didn't just start when Adelina got back. They were not a perfect happy family before Adelina came back, and obviously there was some stuff going on underneath the surface with Flavia.
Gracias tanto, Sara! I really like your summaries. Summarizing is not one of my strong points. When you arrange it topically like this, it makes it easier to see how much "show" we got and how much filler.
"I hate scenes with freaking running water. So hard to hear." That bothered me too. They were practically screaming at each other.
The thing with the water--it's another nearby ranch, Las Naranjas, that has been out of water for 10 days now. They sent someone over to SL to buy some and Aldonza told them they're welcome to what's on El Santuario. The well at Las Animas is dry and they're having a hard time doing their usual filling of the water troughs for the horses all in one go, when usually they have more than enough to just fill once per day. I'm not sure what Sev's speculative look was about--concern that he might end up having to go beg Aldonza for water himself? Or wondering if he's going to need to find a way to steal her water?
Lulu's two boyfriends surprised me and I hope we get to meet them.
I would feel sorry for Flavia, except that she's the one who decided that being with that loser Adriano was more important than being with her son. She doesn't even have to go back to Joaquin if she doesn't want to, just back to Santa Lucia. But I guess when Adriano said he's the one who's been giving Flavia what she needs in bed all these years, he wasn't exaggerating.
Once Aldonza refused to take the DNA test, I stopped being angry with Renato for not suggesting it. I'm tired of her doing this over and over again. Get thee to a therapist, lady.
It seems like only Cris or Aldonza is allowed to be very dynamic, but never both of them at the same time. I was liking Cris' method of investigating today...don't ask them, just take their lies to the logical conclusion and watch them squirm.
"I hate scenes with freaking running water. So hard to hear." That bothered me too. They were practically screaming at each other.
The thing with the water--it's another nearby ranch, Las Naranjas, that has been out of water for 10 days now. They sent someone over to SL to buy some and Aldonza told them they're welcome to what's on El Santuario. The well at Las Animas is dry and they're having a hard time doing their usual filling of the water troughs for the horses all in one go, when usually they have more than enough to just fill once per day. I'm not sure what Sev's speculative look was about--concern that he might end up having to go beg Aldonza for water himself? Or wondering if he's going to need to find a way to steal her water?
Lulu's two boyfriends surprised me and I hope we get to meet them.
I would feel sorry for Flavia, except that she's the one who decided that being with that loser Adriano was more important than being with her son. She doesn't even have to go back to Joaquin if she doesn't want to, just back to Santa Lucia. But I guess when Adriano said he's the one who's been giving Flavia what she needs in bed all these years, he wasn't exaggerating.
Once Aldonza refused to take the DNA test, I stopped being angry with Renato for not suggesting it. I'm tired of her doing this over and over again. Get thee to a therapist, lady.
It seems like only Cris or Aldonza is allowed to be very dynamic, but never both of them at the same time. I was liking Cris' method of investigating today...don't ask them, just take their lies to the logical conclusion and watch them squirm.
I don't remember Humberto telling Sev what happened to his arm. He stumbled in, bloody, and claimed he was just taking a stroll on the property and fell onto a piece of equipment. While everybody was running around panicking, Humberto go a moment alone with him and told him that was BS and if I remember correctly, Sev's response was to just shut up and fix it. Humberto had to explain to the asshat that he couldn't just slap a Band-Aid on this and it was going to need surgery, and no, he couldn't do the surgery on the living room couch.
Thanks for the water info, Kat!
And thanks to everyone who is helping fill in and keep track of things. I have a terrible head for TNs
And thanks to everyone who is helping fill in and keep track of things. I have a terrible head for TNs
Thanks Sara, as always, a great recap.
I think I need to give Al a hall pass for her behavior. Look what she has had as role models, a spinster aunt, a man of cloth, and last but not least a mother with loose moral. The girl needs to buy a red twirly skirt and have a little fun. (When in doubt, twirl). Not everything in her life needs to be doom and gloom. Learn to work out your problems and enjoy life.
Rosemary Primera
I think I need to give Al a hall pass for her behavior. Look what she has had as role models, a spinster aunt, a man of cloth, and last but not least a mother with loose moral. The girl needs to buy a red twirly skirt and have a little fun. (When in doubt, twirl). Not everything in her life needs to be doom and gloom. Learn to work out your problems and enjoy life.
Rosemary Primera
Thanks Kat for listening to the water issue scene and giving us the full scoop. That makes more sense to me, because I couldn't figure out why Al would be nice enough to give LA water. But looks like LA WILL be needing that water soon...
But, the water is not Aldonza's to give or withhold and why she mentioned it to Humberto though he didn't have a problem with it.
Are we being set up to have Renato go to court to forbid Severiano's livestock to enter land and access to water on property Aldonza does not own?
Are we being set up to have Renato go to court to forbid Severiano's livestock to enter land and access to water on property Aldonza does not own?
Heh, heh, heh, Vivi...and then she can stick it to Sev!
Rosemary, I miss the red twirly skirts :(
Sara, the water plot really got my attention because I thought it was a great way to have meaningful drama instead of "he said/she said." There's hope for this plot yet!
Rosemary, I miss the red twirly skirts :(
Sara, the water plot really got my attention because I thought it was a great way to have meaningful drama instead of "he said/she said." There's hope for this plot yet!
tofie, Sev was already supposed to have his animals off the land anyway. If he ends up needing water, all he'll have to do is ask nicely...but I think you're right that it's Humberto's decision. Unless the rationale for Sev having to remove his animals is that when Aldonza rented, she got rights to use the entire property, including land and water, for the duration of her rental contract? I know little enough about US law...trying to figure out how these things work in Mexico AND on TNs really doesn't help.
We weren't privy to Renato's argument and could have been a use issue. Aldonza wanted to use it for planting and Severiano's animals frustrated that purpose. Guess she could say having animals enter the land to water would also frustrate that purpose so let Severiano's animals die. What of all the other ranchers in the area? One girl who does not own the property the water is on has the power to kill or save every animal if the owner asks sweetly? She'd be run out on a rail.
I've seen this come up on another TN and I can't remember which. Or maybe it was in a western? Ok, I can't remember. But the point was the owner had the water source for the area on his property, or was at the head of it, and wanted to dam it up. Either the town had made an agreement long ago that the source was for everyone, but I'm pretty sure guns were brought out to settle it, and I think it was in black and white, so yeah, it was a western.
The issue may have just been something like animal trespassing/control. She rented the land so she gets to say who can and can't be on it.
Lulu's side-side plot is great. I want to believe they made it up and there's no equivalent in the other one. I'm glad she has more to do than just hover around when a PJ scene is coming up.
Rosemary - I want to agree with you, but since she was so pissed at her mom for her lifestyle and so quick to point out that she paid her way through college and wanted to get an education and not just an MRS degree, I'm mad at her for not using her logical smarts or her education. Rob might have given her the instruction of running on impulse and emotion, but Adelina was also there to show her to think through things. She needs to take the time to think things through.
But you may have a point when it comes to Cris. I guess she really hasn't had an example of how to be in a couple. She doesn't consult him when things come up, she doesn't talk problems through with him. I would think logic and living in the world would have provided her with some examples, but maybe not.
The issue may have just been something like animal trespassing/control. She rented the land so she gets to say who can and can't be on it.
Lulu's side-side plot is great. I want to believe they made it up and there's no equivalent in the other one. I'm glad she has more to do than just hover around when a PJ scene is coming up.
Rosemary - I want to agree with you, but since she was so pissed at her mom for her lifestyle and so quick to point out that she paid her way through college and wanted to get an education and not just an MRS degree, I'm mad at her for not using her logical smarts or her education. Rob might have given her the instruction of running on impulse and emotion, but Adelina was also there to show her to think through things. She needs to take the time to think things through.
But you may have a point when it comes to Cris. I guess she really hasn't had an example of how to be in a couple. She doesn't consult him when things come up, she doesn't talk problems through with him. I would think logic and living in the world would have provided her with some examples, but maybe not.
Al needs to remember that she usually feels better and handles things better when she does them WITH Cris. Like when he found out about their parents being lovers, and went to her immediately with the news. Or when she finally shared her "mis planes" with him, and told him about the rape (but not the who). Cris and Adelina are the only two people she has revealed the rape to. Not even Padre or Lola are in on that. It was nice seeing them so united in D.F. and when they came back to SL. If she can stay the course and not run away from him when she can't handle things, then they could actually make a good team.
Great points Vivi about Aldonza and Cris. Only time I've seen her not go wobbly was when Cris was falsely accused of Abelardo's murder, but she had just been with him. Cris was very understanding and accepting after the disclosure of the rape and why she could not consummate the relationship but sadly she used that in her attack on Cris last night, justifying in her own mind why he slept with Val, when he told her time and again his love for her was not based on that.
I didn't exactly get the water rights part.
Here, you can not deprive someone downstream of water that has always flowed to them. Damming or diverting would be examples of this.
As far as Sev's livestock being on Aldonza's rented land, a renter has the use of that land almost as if it were their own for the term of the lease, with the exception that the owner usually has the right to come on the land for inspection purposes. Hum owns the land, not Sev.
I don't think that Aldonza has any legal obligation to provide water to Sev.
David
Here, you can not deprive someone downstream of water that has always flowed to them. Damming or diverting would be examples of this.
As far as Sev's livestock being on Aldonza's rented land, a renter has the use of that land almost as if it were their own for the term of the lease, with the exception that the owner usually has the right to come on the land for inspection purposes. Hum owns the land, not Sev.
I don't think that Aldonza has any legal obligation to provide water to Sev.
David
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 12:22:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 12:22:00 PM EDT
The water rights thing came up in LQNPA when the villains bought a property that was farther upstream. They dammed up the river and for a while it was difficult for Rogelio and Ana Paula to get the necessary water to their animals and crop land. Someone brought it up that this was an illegal act because the water is public property. It doesn't matter whose land it runs through; that person can't divert the course of the river if it damages someone else's crops or the loss kills their animals.
David- It doesn't sound like Santuario has always been the source of water for these folks. Sounds like they all had their own water resources (wells, etc.), which are now drying up, so they have to turn to the one ranch that has abundant water resources, Santuario.
I have a vague feeling of pebbles being thrown at my beanie with the water issue. If Las Animas gets their water from a well on the land and they're so close to El Santuario, is it really plausible that the well could be running dry at the same time that gorgeous waterfall just keeps going and going? Is there some impermeable underground rock between the two pieces of land so that the water that supplies El Santuario is somehow NOT the same source for Las Animas?
Steve - no, Sen and Cande are from this show (Sombra). Rogelio and Ana Paula were from La Que No Podia Amar (different telenovela).
Vivi, so they're having a drought or something. Ok, that makes sense.
5ft, one plausible explanation for water being abundant on Aldonza's land, but drying up on Sev's land could be a difference in elevation. This can make a HUGE difference in how wells are fed from the underground water table. Thus, Sev's land may be considerably higher than Aldonza's, and when the water table falls due to a drought, she still has her normal run off, but he is left "high and dry."
David
5ft, one plausible explanation for water being abundant on Aldonza's land, but drying up on Sev's land could be a difference in elevation. This can make a HUGE difference in how wells are fed from the underground water table. Thus, Sev's land may be considerably higher than Aldonza's, and when the water table falls due to a drought, she still has her normal run off, but he is left "high and dry."
David
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 12:41:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 12:41:00 PM EDT
Sorry, I meant *Sev, not Sen.
Sara - lol, was I ranting? Sorry. This show drives me to ranting even when I don't mean to! If they ever remake it again, they just need to really take better care when crafting Aldonza's character. Give us some more insight into her mind so that we can understand what kind of internal struggle she's dealing with to better justify her wishy washy behavior.
Linda - He loves her. I truly feel and believe that based on his words and actions. I can't say the same for her. She says that he is the love of her life to other people but I just am not feeling it at all based on how she acts. It feels like hollow words. Yes, you hit the nail on the head. That's exactly how I feel about them too.
Sara - lol, was I ranting? Sorry. This show drives me to ranting even when I don't mean to! If they ever remake it again, they just need to really take better care when crafting Aldonza's character. Give us some more insight into her mind so that we can understand what kind of internal struggle she's dealing with to better justify her wishy washy behavior.
Linda - He loves her. I truly feel and believe that based on his words and actions. I can't say the same for her. She says that he is the love of her life to other people but I just am not feeling it at all based on how she acts. It feels like hollow words. Yes, you hit the nail on the head. That's exactly how I feel about them too.
And with that, David, my beanie has stopped squeezing my head uncomfortably. Thank you!
If that's the case it also makes it sound like a lot of El Santuario's previous success was about location, location, location. Between that and the super-duper agronomy skillz we keep waiting to see, whatever crop they grow ought to be pretty impressive.
If that's the case it also makes it sound like a lot of El Santuario's previous success was about location, location, location. Between that and the super-duper agronomy skillz we keep waiting to see, whatever crop they grow ought to be pretty impressive.
hellashelle said:
"lol, was I ranting? Sorry."
No need to apologize. I'm pretty sure most of my recaps for La Gata were just one long rant.
Rosemary-I agree! Aldonza really has had such a sad existence. I hope she does start twirling.
"lol, was I ranting? Sorry."
No need to apologize. I'm pretty sure most of my recaps for La Gata were just one long rant.
Rosemary-I agree! Aldonza really has had such a sad existence. I hope she does start twirling.
Seems the writers can't handle Aldonza using the logical smarts of her education just like they can't handle her surviving the vicious attack by Sev with the help of therapy, faith and the love of her family. They can't handle her admitting the very human response of being afraid to love Cris because of what his father did so we get what they DO handle well: whining, moaning, tears, dramatic flights and declarations that "it's over FOREVER!" The only reference we get to the trauma she suffered at Sev's hand is her red dress in the opening which I am convinced is THEIR reference to her as a "tainted bride."
Lila
Lila
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 1:24:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 1:24:00 PM EDT
Speaking of things the writers can't handle...
It bothers me that the women they've shown who admit to having a sex drive are also being manipulative or not being portrayed as being on Team Good in some other way...Roberta, Valeria, Flavia.
Silvia may be the exception, but the time she boinked Renato in the office they were also being vague about whether she was going to turn out to be an antagonist. Funny how now that we've seen her as a smart, competent professional...no more sex.
It bothers me that the women they've shown who admit to having a sex drive are also being manipulative or not being portrayed as being on Team Good in some other way...Roberta, Valeria, Flavia.
Silvia may be the exception, but the time she boinked Renato in the office they were also being vague about whether she was going to turn out to be an antagonist. Funny how now that we've seen her as a smart, competent professional...no more sex.
Diva - Yes, it would be nice if they switched that up a bit. They have done it successfully on at least on other TNs, even if they only stick to the main couple as partners. They've also redeemed some very sexual villanas, though usually at the very end. Because TNs often have such a huge Catholic presence and they usually leave the big romantic endings for the end, that can be hard, but it's not impossible. Come on show, get innovative!
I just really hope that they give Aldonza working through her abuse at least the same amount of concern that they've shown with the effect Lardo's death had on Uriel and Irma. They still have time, so I guess I can still hold out hope. My new thought?fear? is what if they have her work through that trauma with Ren? Even if they never actually sleep together, she could start taking therapy or just actually meditating on her thoughts and feelings about the rape while with Ren (because I'm sure that for a while they'll actually officially be a couple).
I just really hope that they give Aldonza working through her abuse at least the same amount of concern that they've shown with the effect Lardo's death had on Uriel and Irma. They still have time, so I guess I can still hold out hope. My new thought?fear? is what if they have her work through that trauma with Ren? Even if they never actually sleep together, she could start taking therapy or just actually meditating on her thoughts and feelings about the rape while with Ren (because I'm sure that for a while they'll actually officially be a couple).
WOW! it's still morning here and we have a very long read with 83 comments, many of them massive. I don't have a chance as everything has been said already and so I will keep my comment brief. But first a thank you goes out to Sara for the recap.
I had a rant ready to go but with this volume today, I will save it for what most likely be a big weekend.
Seems like most all of the patio has joined the jump on Aldonza club. I have seen that before in other novelas when the masses rise up against the heroine and berate her. I'm not joining the mob. What I would like to see is dozens of letters fired off to Televisa telling them how to write a novela. If that happened, maybe some changes in script writing would be made. But until that comes about, I will stay neutral at the very least and offer my shoulder to Aldonza as comfort or for her to cry on if she feels the need to.
Must see tv---I'll be front and center tonight.
the gringo
I had a rant ready to go but with this volume today, I will save it for what most likely be a big weekend.
Seems like most all of the patio has joined the jump on Aldonza club. I have seen that before in other novelas when the masses rise up against the heroine and berate her. I'm not joining the mob. What I would like to see is dozens of letters fired off to Televisa telling them how to write a novela. If that happened, maybe some changes in script writing would be made. But until that comes about, I will stay neutral at the very least and offer my shoulder to Aldonza as comfort or for her to cry on if she feels the need to.
Must see tv---I'll be front and center tonight.
the gringo
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:07:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:07:00 PM EDT
David's comment on the wells and elevation make sense. The original version of this telenovela was "El Manantial" (The Spring), which makes a lot of sense. I have never seen EM but can definitely see Adela Noriega as the Aldonza character, signature hand-to-her-forehead, crying and all. Personally, I prefer Michelle Renaud. :-)
thanks, Sara. you are much too hard on yourself. That was a great recap. I understand what you are saying because I, too, feel weary of the dumb a$$ery stuff that we are now being handed. I love the assignment that you give your stucents. Do they work in teams or alone ?
Renato has just sunk the rest of his inheritance from his beloved mom into Al's mis planes....and happily, I should add. AL seems struck with ennui. She just has no problem solving skills. Were we that she graduated weigh honors ? Well, book smarts do not necessarily mean that a person is wise or clever or pragmatic.
Thelmna (Vile) is a villain I love to hate. I agree that she is better at playing the bad girl than the good one. She has the spoiled princessa role down pat.She was hateful in PSMA. She made me bite my teeth.
Renato has just sunk the rest of his inheritance from his beloved mom into Al's mis planes....and happily, I should add. AL seems struck with ennui. She just has no problem solving skills. Were we that she graduated weigh honors ? Well, book smarts do not necessarily mean that a person is wise or clever or pragmatic.
Thelmna (Vile) is a villain I love to hate. I agree that she is better at playing the bad girl than the good one. She has the spoiled princessa role down pat.She was hateful in PSMA. She made me bite my teeth.
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:46:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:46:00 PM EDT
Doris..I love Adela Noriego, but she is a championship crier. I did not see her in EM, but she cried a Rio in Amor Real. When she wasn't crying, she still had those wet
, soulful eyes. On YouTube , I watched some scenes of Guadalupe starring Adela and Big Ed Yanez...hot.
, soulful eyes. On YouTube , I watched some scenes of Guadalupe starring Adela and Big Ed Yanez...hot.
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:49:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:49:00 PM EDT
You are so kind, Susanlynn. The students work in groups for that assignment. I also make them describe the characters, what they are wearing and the scene as well.
I keep forgetting to tell you my daughter is working on a TEFL certificate and has to do a lot of classroom observations. She is observing and working with an adult class right now and she is really loving it.
I keep forgetting to tell you my daughter is working on a TEFL certificate and has to do a lot of classroom observations. She is observing and working with an adult class right now and she is really loving it.
Vivi - You're absolutely right that Flavia/Joaquin/Ray weren't a perfect little family prior to Adelina coming back to town and there was a comment between Flavia/Adriano in the hotel room about Ray not being his that made me think that they had hooked up at the very least before she married Joaquin, if not during the marriage also. However, her actions just aren't making sense to me. If she loves Adriano so much, why not just leave Joaquin and be with him when Adriano was living in SL without a care in the world? Why stay with Joaquin and complain all the time? Why decide to run away with Adriano and in order to do it effectively leave your son behind, the son you supposedly love? She must know that if she stayed in town and let Joaquin see Ray that he would drop the charges against her and willingly let her go. She doesn't know the trouble Adriano is in so she has no reason to run.
Just to be clear, I'm not clamoring for Flavia to stay in town or anything.. good riddance and Joaquin got his son back so we killed 2 birds with one stone but it doesn't stop me from scratching my head at the nonsensical behavior here. Unfortunately, I don't think we've seen the last of her and her frizzy hair.
Just to be clear, I'm not clamoring for Flavia to stay in town or anything.. good riddance and Joaquin got his son back so we killed 2 birds with one stone but it doesn't stop me from scratching my head at the nonsensical behavior here. Unfortunately, I don't think we've seen the last of her and her frizzy hair.
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:51:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:51:00 PM EDT
With Allie now, all I see more and more is a very broken young lady, taking advantage of friends, walking away from dealing with issues just like she did with her horrors before as if just NOT dealing with it is the way you deal with it...and poof, it will just go away
I am finding it increasingly not interesting, and bordering on irresponsible, that we are seeing this woman dangle in pain and hurt psyche and I'm not sure the writers think that's a problem with that. It's drama. We're getting frustrated because she was shown as smart, strong and almost fearful. Now, she's a mess and going in circles.
To some extent,I do blame the portrayal of Ade because as the keeper of the secrets, she has taken it to extremes that now are causing more damage than helping.She's beginning to drive me batty. Interestingly, I notice Allie is pushing Ade away too. And with pushing Cris away,Allie is becoming increasingly alone now in who knows her past, and that's just plain wrong. PJ at the least should have been told as her father figure. Heck if you can't confide in a priest...
I know...the writers were kidnapped in the night, and they brought in the Meija team to take their place. It's Friday, we need a triple round of Melon Martinis on the patio.
Daisynjay
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:51:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:51:00 PM EDT
Tofie...I want to come to a dinner party at your house. I bet that they rock. Do you cook or are they catered ? I could bring a covered dish. I do not have dinner parties, but I often go out with friends for breakfast or lunch or dinner. My friends get a big kick out of my telenovela habit..even my friend who is a Spanish teacher.
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 4:01:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 4:01:00 PM EDT
I am making my first comment since the show started to say my name for Aldonza is Al-dunce-sa. Uff uff. Thanks to the recapers. I have been following but not watching because my hubby would divorce me if I add one more novela to my nightly watching so I read during my commute to and from work.
Romy
Romy
Sara..A college near the community college where I teach has an ESL program , so I often have observers in my classes. Also, I am observed and evaluated every semester by someone at the college. I would be happy to answer any questions your daughter might have.
Regarding the Flavia/AdriaNO hookup, is anyone else having trouble seeing Flavia as big,bad, hot Adriano's ''type'' with the house dress and cardigan and hairband ?
Regarding the Flavia/AdriaNO hookup, is anyone else having trouble seeing Flavia as big,bad, hot Adriano's ''type'' with the house dress and cardigan and hairband ?
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 4:17:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 4:17:00 PM EDT
Susanlynn- Well, we don't know what Flavia is like under the sheets...He also might like an uncomplicated love life. A dissatisfied housewife, who won't make many demands, might just be what he prefers to a full-time girlfriend getting into his business and expecting a relationship and marriage and stuff.
Susanlynn, I never cater. Occasionally, I'll have a local restaurant, whom I'm friends with the owner, do the egg rolls but I fry them right before the guest arrive. I cook for days Thai dishes and part of the draw. We've had up 70 for a garden party, drinks and dinner but I had some girls help prep and serve that time. Mostly around 20 and Mr. tofie's associates and old clients of mine.
Romy - Welcome! You're nickname for our protagonista central is, unfortunately, often very accurate. But, deep down, we're all pulling for her to get her head together so we can cheer on her actions rather than our wishes.
Tofie - your parties sound awesome! I often wish the patio were a real live place, but imagining egg rolls and Thai food to go with my melon martinis is making me wish I could have dinner on the patio tonight!
Susanlynn and Vivi- I agree with both of you. Flavia and Adriano are the Pru and Tomas that gave in and kept things on the DL. Which, oddly, makes me like Tomas.
Tofie - your parties sound awesome! I often wish the patio were a real live place, but imagining egg rolls and Thai food to go with my melon martinis is making me wish I could have dinner on the patio tonight!
Susanlynn and Vivi- I agree with both of you. Flavia and Adriano are the Pru and Tomas that gave in and kept things on the DL. Which, oddly, makes me like Tomas.
"A dissatisfied housewife, who won't make many demands, might just be what he prefers to a full-time girlfriend getting into his business and expecting a relationship and marriage and stuff." I think you're on to something Vivi. He didn't seem too happy to have Ray tagging along and having to support both of them. And now he's down to just Flavia. For how long, I wonder. Until the money she got from Joaquin runs out, would be my guess. Because I'm pretty sure Sev isn't going to pay the rest of what he owes for bumping off Lardo.
Gosh, that would be SO wonderful to have a Sombra Patio Party with Tofies's wonderful dishes and drinks from the Naughty Melon and a BOGO at the Sombra tiendita! Man. Just the thought is making me feel sorry for myself with an the pitiful MickeyD grilled chicken salad I'm having for dinner tonight!
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Lila - lol, I know what you mean. The nice part is that I can sometimes have dinner with Sombra, and dessert on the patio! (I've been known to hold off dessert for patio time. It's just sweeter with snark:) )
I have to wonder if flavia is as heartless as she seems. Her heart seem to be heavy leaving child, but yet she left him, and yet again clinging to the money. I felt kind of sorry for her. ( kind of).
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 7:26:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 7:26:00 PM EDT
Leaving her chlid
Thats what its was supose to say up there↑
Thats what its was supose to say up there↑
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 7:30:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 7:30:00 PM EDT
Hi Sara.....Thank you for the recap. I have not read it yet, as have been busy doing end on school stuff with the grandsons.
I have not watched for three nights, as all except Padre J have developed severe cases of the stupids.
I will savor the recap this week-end and see you at the Naughty Melon.
I have not watched for three nights, as all except Padre J have developed severe cases of the stupids.
I will savor the recap this week-end and see you at the Naughty Melon.
Permalink posted by : Friday, May 29, 2015 at 7:42:00 PM EDT
: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 7:42:00 PM EDT
Hey Romy! My husband has given up trying to get me to cut down on TNs. :-) Glad the recaps are helping you stay up to speed.
Have fun with the grandsons, Emeraldrose! I'll save a seat for you at the Naughty Melon!
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