Friday, July 31, 2015
La Sombra del Pasado #118 (Mx 121) 7-31-15 Emanuel FINALLY gets a hug!
Greetings, my dear friends! Let’s jump right into our story. Yesterday we ended with a cowardly, yet bold, broad daylight attack on our beloved Silvia, right in the town square! It was very shocking and painful for me last night and is no less so twenty four hours later! Silvia screams and cries in pain for help as a waiter at one of cafes runs up and offers his apron and assures her the police have been called!
“I swear I will have all the patience in the world until you know that you need me as much as I need you. Hermano. Hermano! You don’t know how much I wanted a brother! I wanted one all my life and I’m never going to let you go! And I want you to talk to Lola because she is suffering so much for you. You can’t imagine how much she loves you . .she is the love of your life and you must realize you are the perfect man for her.”
Eman remains a tortured ball of confusion but he doesn’t reject the touch of Aldonza’s hand on his arm.
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I'm so glad Eman got and accepted a hug. He is not out of the woods and I will be devastated if something bad happens to him.
Pru can burn in hades forever, for harming Silvia. Too bad she didn't fall down the stairs. Dying is too soft an anvil for her. I want her to suffer for a very long time.
If Mari had not stolen that money from Irma's store, Irma might not be behind on her payment.
I would like to see Tomas be inspired to get his act together and go to law school so he can prosecute the Prudencias of the world. The boy is redeemable.
"pitiful (meaning disgusting) display", "They lie with their mouths but their faces don’t cooperate" and "Eman remains a tortured ball of confusion" were all wonderful.
“She’s a wonderful woman and I am an idiot!” At last some wise words from our galan in waiting. Renato is finally ruminating and agonizing over what he has done and what he has not done. He may well rue the reality that he has been blinded by who his destiny is. What a high price Sylvia is paying for such a late awakening.
This small awakening did not lessen the evil that abounded tonight I fear. Prudencia's cruelty and treachery made her sink to a place where souls are lost and hope is abandoned, where Sev and Cande reside.
Eman has been crushed and is still trying to absorb what has happened and who he is. Bless the Padre for saying he is God's child. So true...Eman needs time and patience from all those who love him. I hope they go gently. Waves of love and support will sustain him shortly.
I fear for both Irma and Sylvia, two of the most loving, supportive and strong characters this has to offer.
May the writers be merciful to both, who deserve so much better than the hands they have been dealt.
doris, love your suggestion Tomas go to law school. I do think this tragedy will propel him in an upward spiral.
Diana
Go Padre J! Dropping the spiritual wisdom! I can think of at least one other person on this show who needs to hear that "before God, none of us have a last name"...only she won't find it nearly as comforting.
I don't think I can cope with Silvia's situation. I may have to go into denial for the weekend. I'll just be over here curled up on the other bed in Em's room. I get that Renato and Pato don't want Tomas running off half-cocked, but I'm surprised neither of them had a suggestion for what *to* do. They didn't even take him to the police to tell them that Pru made a threat.
Speaking of Eman...I'm feeling a lot more optimistic about his recovery. Vero was really awesome with the non-jealousy. And I'm far less worried about him now that he's staying with the Padre.
On the one hand, the whole thing with Irma and the loan shark came out of nowhere...but once she talked about buying inventory and paying for Lardo's stuff it seemed totally plausible.
"She sits her arse on the living room floor popping pills like M & M’s, even making pill-liquor floats and slurping them down while she babbles on about the good thing Hum is losing or some such." *snicker* Oh, yeah, Pru, he's sooooo missing out. Please, Juana! Take that phone to the cops!
"A monumental scream to the top of your lungs and scare your cat scene," is an accurate description. Can Sev and Val just do it already so they can get busted and put an end to that farce already! (Uh, I think I just made myself sick.)
"Maybe I want it to be so but it appears the Chief is finally beginning to see the light. . . .or the dark shadow that is Sev!" It really did look that way! I'm hoping the look on his face doesn't change on Monday.
Diana, my dear, you are the one with such heartfelt expressions of appreciation! Thou makest a recapper's heart (and head) to swell!
You speak eloquent truth, sister: Renato is finally ruminating and agonizing over what he has done and what he has not done. He may well rue the reality that he has been blinded by who his destiny is. What a high price Sylvia is paying for such a late awakening.
Yes, Pru is certainly hell bound and I want her to pay in blood and tears but not escape via death! ITA with you about Irma and Silvia. It WAS an emotional episode, wasn't it, Diana! Thank you and we look forward to more of your insightful and beautifully expressed observations!
The Diva! Hey, my fearless leader! It's like virtually screaming at the TV together :D Then I've done my job!
Yeah, WTF with Rennie and The Duck Man not even letting him go to the police with his suspicion. Que?
That Val is a case, isn't she? They so almost got busted. It's got to be just a matter of time now! AAAAND I do think the chief cop is onto Sev. He'd better be or he needs to be canned! We'll see on Monday and I hope we see Tomas go to the Police and we know they will eventually get the phone from Juana.
Three action-packed weeks, kids!
I think the key to Irma's debts was paying off Lardo's debts, and I bet she was downplaying that. Why would she ever help him out of his stupid gambling debts?!
For those concerned about the communication between characters, Don Tonio said Al was the one who called him and told him where Eman was. Vero was the perfect person to go see him. Not connected enough to the drama for him to have a negative reaction, but a loving and positive presence. Loved the hug.
Silvia has to make a full recovery. No way would the writers leave her blinded. But this whole thing seems to have opened Renato's eyes, which is wonderful. It was nice seeing Silvia's three galanes united to support her.
Kat, yes, you are so right in that the lesser lawyers should have thought to advise the police about the threat ASAP. I think they were both so shocked and Renato in so much grief, they simply weren't thinking straight. Hopefully, their wheels will start turning after the shock wears off and wiser, cooler heads will prevail.
Vivi, I am saddened more trouble has found Irma. She SO does not deserve this. I hope this financial disaster is able to be solved. More heartbreak is just around the bend from her nasty daughter.
Speaking of Mari, was anyone else uneasy with the matter of fact manner in which she told Irma and Lola that Silvia had been attacked?? I realize Sylvia is not her favorite person (by not letting her get away with shenanigans at work), but there was no compassion in her tone. Whatsoever.
Diana
Diana, "May the writers be merciful to both, who deserve so much better than the hands they have been dealt." From your lips to their ears! Irma and Silvia don't deserve this crap.
Lila, the guy at the town square even said he had called the cops, so why weren't they there? I understand it would have been pointless to interview Silvia, but what about the cafe guy, Renato, Pato, Tomas? *sigh* Incompetente had better redeem himself on Monday. By turning down Sev's bribery at the very least. For bonus points, he can agree to the bribery just to draw Sev in and have proof before he busts him. I think that would be way too much to ask.
Diana, I'm pretty sure now that Mari didn't have anything to do with it, but she didn't seem even remotely concerned. All three bosses are at the hospital because one of them got attacked and she's just acting like "Cool, I got to leave work early."
Pru isn't going anywhere; a slight delay on calling the police won't matter. She's three or more sheets to the wind and will pass out long enough for the maid to check out that cell phone. We hope.
Maybe Tomas will become a cop.
As to the chief of police he's overdue to do something. I don't see him accepting the bribe except as bait. If he does he will probably tell someone right away. However, that could put him in a questionable position that could bite him on the tuchas.
Emanuel needs help. He should not be left alone. Padre J's words were a good start, but Emanuel needs to know that he did nothing to deserve the mess others made of his life.
I can't wait to see how the others at Las Animas react when they find out that Sev was abusing his own son all this time.
"They lie with their mouths but their faces don’t cooperate"
After coming up with ridiculous junior high crap for months to drive two people apart, it takes the late arrival of Veronica to treat Emanuel with the kindness, love and support that should have come from Lola. Followed by an out of place pitch on Lola's behalf from Aldonza. I refuse to eat it the way it has been prepared.
Lot of time wasted on reuniting Flavia and Joaquin and flat don't get the point. Flavia didn't bang the poolboy once in a moment of passion and spitefulness but ran off taking, then abandoning, her son for a ne'er do well. Big difference.
Really, what is the point of Cris asking daddy again to come clean? Is he that much in need of something to do to while away his time?
No, Renato, Silvia is not some needy broad. She committed to her friends and saw the mess of things you and Pato can make alone. It is she that holds you boys up by the scruff of your neck.
On the other hand, like you Ms. Lila, I was grateful that our dear Emmanuel felt moved to fling his shirt off. Lord have mercy, even that man's feet are beautiful! He was just a picture yesterday.
Silvia's screams, both after the attack and in the hospital, were so disturbing and so real. Unbearable to witness such pain. On the other hand, the portrayal of Pru is unsettling. For most of the time, her role has been a comic one, interspersed with acts of cruelty. But then we go back to the jaunty music and the funny drunk antics. A very odd mixture I find.
But, in spite of the inconsistencies of this episode, you covered it with passion and flair, Lila. Terrific job. Thanks as always.
Well I have a ton of yard work to do this a.m. and my reward will be sitting down to watch this episode. Yay!
And I admit too, there was a glimmer of "Praise be" as E-man ripped off his shirt but then I teared up as again in trying to go for air it seemed, he just collapsed within himself. Now as for Allie...good God woman, the man is in the darkest of places and she's making a pitch for him to get back with Lola. Might be me, but it came off that way. Sorry, I know it's set up because after giving us the sweetest moment with Vero and Eman and showing her courage to go there for him and how they connect, the writers needed to ram it home that for him. And why aren't we getting Cris in there?If anyone can talk to this poor guy what it is like to have Sev as your father...Hello???
And of course holy h***, again, where ARE the scissors when you need them, we get how many scenes and wasted minutes with setting up a Flavia and Joaquin rematch. Do I look like I care--and they really want to go there and let us think these two really belong together?? I'll say it again, who does this actress know?
Ok, so Cynthia acted the living daylights out of her scenes, but the character needs to be locked away in a cell and have the key lost forever for setting up that horrendous attack on Silvia. So glad that Tomas has some pretty smart deduction abilities and knew it was her. The cell phone lives another day. I would say for being treated like scum for years, be a nice touch for Pru's maid to blow the lid on her finding what's on that phone. Treats on the patio for her if she does.
I give chops to Renato--he fessed up his mistakes and is cognizant of his screw up. Next?
And yes, as Sev walked into Val's room I just knew what would happen, and poor Kitty, the one night she stays and curls up on my lap and I had to curse with a "H*** No!!" You know, cats have the ability to truly give you an evil stare that can reach to your soul. Speaking of treats, she was properly rewarded. We're friends again.
Wow-- random evil over Irma. OK...guess they had to do something in the final weeks. Hope this ropes Mari in knowing the impact she did with stealing the cash.
Off to our town's art festival this morning. Closes down the main street with vendors, music, food the whole day. Sun is shining and going to go have me some relaxing fun. Check in later.
Daisynjay
Daisynjay
"Is it wrong that my pulse races slightly at what little I can see of his finely chisled abs, back and ripped arms?" No, I was cheering! Oops, in a grave, concerned way of course.
JUDYB, I totally agree about the split personality they have given Pru, starting way back to when she was abusive to Eman and then later smacked Aldonza with a rock. In between times she is a hoot. Makes it hard to know how you really feel about the character.
I want to know what kind of phone Sylvia has. It survives unscathed after flying through the air and landing on pavement. Mine went belly up after doing a soft landing on fluffy carpet. However, glad it ended up in Juana's pocke, yay!
Must run for now, looking forward to flopping down on the patio later.
J in Oregon
i just don't care about them. And clearly, if Adelina is still willing to forego Joaquin, then she's really just not that into him. And that's ok.
Someone please tell me, what was the point of Pru recording Sylvia's attack, and what's the point of doing it on Sylvia's phone? It will only throw her in jail if it gets discovered.
Yes, let us hold hands at all tables and pray for the full recovery of Silvia's sight! I don't know, though, everything Renato said in his confession of guilt is true, how do y'all feel about Silvia ending up with him. . .or is a redeemed Tomas better?
Yes, Diana, it was so cold the way Mari matter of factly told Lola about the attack. She clearly didn't give a damn.
Thanks, Nina! See you later today!
Diva! Thank you about the waiter dude saying he called the cops! Yah, incompetent seems not to be harsh enough to describe Santa Lucia's (NOT) finest! Forget about acceptance of the bribe as a trap.
Mornin', Urban! and thanks! I can't wait to see how the others at Las Animas react when they find out that Sev was abusing his own son all this time. Yep!
ToFIE!! Thanks, kid!! Amen to this:
After coming up with ridiculous junior high crap for months to drive two people apart, it takes the late arrival of Veronica to treat Emanuel with the kindness, love and support that should have come from Lola. Followed by an out of place pitch on Lola's behalf from Aldonza. I refuse to eat it the way it has been prepared.
ITA with your assessment of the place of Silvia in Renato and Pato's professional life, go back and read it guys, last paragraph, Tofie@7:41! BAM!
Thank you, JudyB I feel vindicated in my unvarnished lust after Eman, tortured though he was with grief, though you said it better: Lord have mercy, even that man's feet are beautiful! Vivi and all (you're too young to be a cougar, Vivi) Cougars, go back to that scene and see how he whipped that shirt off. It was startingly sudden and then what he revealed! Aaaaah!
JudyB, Pru has become a horrific and terrifying clown and they had better make her pay dearly for ALL her crimes!
The Flavia/Jock thing is such a joke, so out of place and unceccesary in the story, I agree that the actress must be pulling some strings. Hope they're done already. Please don't make us suffer a "love" scene!
So, it WAS a scare the heck out of your cat scene with Sev and Vile? Glad Kitty is ok! That Vile is just a cesspool, isn't she? Enjoy your art festival!
J in Oregon Top o' the morning' to ya and thanks! Yes, finally some eye candy AND a hug! What an episode! See ya later!
Hey, Cathyx! Thank you, girl! Yah, so if Adelina can be so in love with a dead man who didn't even know it until the last weeks of his life and who never returned an iota of that kind of affection to her, she is truly sick and definitely not wife/mother/life companion material. They have turned her into one sick puppy!
Someone please tell me, what was the point of Pru recording Sylvia's attack, and what's the point of doing it on Sylvia's phone? It will only throw her in jail if it gets discovered.
Cathyx, SL finest are so NOT, they need this kind of direct, damning evidence to connect Pru to the crime. Maybe now the testimony of Tomas, cafe dude and other witnesses in the square will mean something.
Okay, off to choreland, please, continue to chew the fat. Catch up with ya later!
To me, happiness is laughter and thus far, she has smiled and actually laughed with Tomas. I don't recall seeing any such emotions with Renato.
I think she IS destined to be with Renato but before that occurs, I hope he does some substantial crawling. I would like him to bring some lightness into her life. I just want her to be happy.
If the end result is Renato, I don't want Tomas left in the dust. Whether it is love or a career, he deserves something.
UA, I like your idea of his becoming a policeman. I think he has some "scoop" on the dark side from his personal adventures that would be very useful in such a new career! :)
Diana
Pru and Vile are headed down a slippery slope. Sev is doomed..yay. I feel sad for Hum who regrets his past bad decisions.
Al seems to have woken up and gotten proactive.
It seems as though Jock and Frizzy are going to get back together for little Ray , and ADe will be left with her dear!y departed memories.
Quick question, is there a recap for lo imperdonable? Caues I can't find it. Anybody know?
"Eman, he still holds his body close and tight, a self-defensive posture against the onslaught of the past two days."
And I think PJ's really rubbing of on the Patio:
"Prudencia. Enter thou the gates of hell!"
“She’s a wonderful woman and I am an idiot!” Amen, Renato!"
"May the writers be merciful to both, who deserve so much better than the hands they have been dealt."
"Yes, let us hold hands at all tables and pray for the full recovery of Silvia's sight!"
"there was a glimmer of "Praise be" as E-man ripped off his shirt"
I understood Eman's initial reaction, but I'm a little surprised by the almost catatonic aftermath. And while his abs, chest and back (hmmm...his back) are delightful, that scene totally confused me. I was worried he was going to jump out of the window or something, but instead he just ripped off his shirt and revealed..all...those beautiful muscles...mmm...
Sorry, distracted.
Anyway, I'm glad Sev went to bribe the detective. Imo, Sev and anything Sev related has been a sore spot with him since Aldie got back into town (and maybe even before) because she keeps accusing him of deliberately protecting Sev from prosecution. But honestly, what does she want him to do with what she brings him, which is screaming accusations and rudeness, most of the time, and nothing else? Now, I will admit, I was kind of surprised that the didn't speculate half as much as the Patio did about whether or not Sev could use the rifle with one hand and they didn't take it into evidence or test it or anything. But I'm still impressed that they investigated Lardo's shooting as far as they did. Aldonza should be glad they don't just arrest people based on what ever some screaming lunatic comes into the station yelling otherwise Pru/Val/Cande would've accused her of some nonsense or the other long ago. Prostitution, most likely.
Pru just earned herself a Sev/Cande sized anvil. Paint and solvent in the eyes?! QTF?! Nah, this lunatic had got to go down. I don't see her as bipolar though. This last action has really explained to me why Val is the way she is. The two of them are just so arrogant and self-obsessed, that they really don't think any rules apply to their behavior. Maybe she wanted Silvia's phone as proof? She defiitley wanted the video to savor her viciousness. We're all lucky Pru is too sloshed most of the time to bother with plotting, because when she decides to, she's a cruel nutcase. I can't decide what's worse: Cande seems more into emotional blackmail and suffering, but Pru goes straight for the physical: stoning, arson, blinding.
That lady receptionist, she might be better for hum, once he gets it together and away from sev and the queen b****. Did roberta really kill Ray? Cause sev was doing that thought bubble thing and he was shootin the gun. Did anybody else see that besides me?
tofie, "It is she that holds you boys up by the scruff of your neck." Right on! That would be a nice admission for him to make--not all this "It's all my fault," stuff, but "We're screwed without you!"
JudyB, Silvia's screams were riding that edge where they felt uncomfortably real. Almost like the times the've had a small child on a show who's supposed to be scared and you wonder "Did they really freak that kid out to get this shot?!"
Daisynjay, I'm glad the kitty forgave you. I've been the recipient of that look too many times for my comfort!
HellaShelle, I'm with you. Pru's not bipolar. She's entitled and HIGH as a friggin kite! It's too bad all the booze and pills haven't gotten her to the point where she just doesn't care what's going on with anyone else and she leaves them all the hell alone!
Vivi, oh, hell no, Joaquin is DONE with Flavia and none of that is making any sense to me--both the "story" itself and why they're giving it to us.
For me, I'd say giving back what she stole is the least she could do. I'd love it if she handed over her savings and it totally pulled Irma's bacon out of the fire. I would be ok with all of that eliminating an anvil for her, but I still wouldn't like her and I wouldn't be happy if she were rewarded.
Hey could they at least work in an accident that has her getting her hair chopped off?
I just wanted to cry for Eman, who should be on suicide watch IMO, after finding out that Satan is his father and that said “father” knew about it all these years yet treated Eman like yesterday’s garbage all his life. Really, why is he not on suicide watch? I was afraid he would jump out that window!!!
Alex Sirvent better win a Premios et al award for interpreting this role of Emanuel. Punto.
Hopefully the ‘atos LISTENED to Tomas and his claims about Pru being behind the attack on Silvia.
The expression on Ren’s face when Aldonza hugged him, during his grief time over Silvia, just was not sincere enough for me. Looked to me like he was phoning it in and glad to be copping a hug from ‘donza.
I just love Vero. And what a blessing that she and DonAnt offered Eman a chance to leave this godforsaken town and have a new life. They earned their angel wings.
cathyx – The baddies recorded their attack on Silvia as proof to Pru, so that she would pay them.
”That Vile is just a cesspool, isn't she?” --- Lila, please do not insult cesspools. ;-)
Diana – you are so right about Silvia only smiling and laughing with Tomas. Renato does not deserve her. At all. Jamas!
hellashelle – nah, Pru is not bipolar. She is an alcoholic and of the nastiest , most narcissistic variety.
I swanee.
Diva - If Mari gave back the money she stole and added her own to help out her mother, this would be a FIRST STEP toward redemption.
Just thinking back, she doesn't seem like the saving type to me...so if she bailed her mom out with her mom's own money, it wouldn't really have the same redemption value...
J in O
I think Pru and Roberta more alike than Pru and Cande. Both drunkards, both insecure social climbers, both do not care one iota whom they hurt, both disrespect and cuckhold their husbands (but at least Pru hasn't killed hers yet).
The only reason I have a hard time thinking that her savings came from money she stole is that they pulled no punches showing us all the crap Lardo got up to, and all of Mari's other shenanigans, so why wouldn't they have told us this before?
The moment I saw Flavia at Addie's door, the mute got turned on. I figured I'd read it in the recap, but I knew exactly what they were talking about and it seems to me if two people were the most unlikely to get along for long, it would be Jock & Flavia. Boooo Hissss on the writers. Thank you for doing the RCP thing.
Now, on to the comments.
But not before mentioning that teary-eyed Sev with Cris just looked like he was shedding Crocodilo tears to me. The man doesn't have a drop of sympathy for anyone, including himself.
Anyway, I totally agree about Pru. She's a social climber with no class, and a sbstance-abusing narcissist. That's about as bad as it gets. She's on the fast track to hell after what she did to Silvia.
Irma also had money stolen from her by Lardo. Remember what she went through the first time it happened? Mari and Uriel tried to pin that one on Lola, too.
Eman's not in jail and I'm sure they think his being with PJ takes care of things. The worse things they've imagined -- his leaving or going on a bender -- are already past.
Pru better not OD! I've just gotten to the point where I accept that Mari won't get the anvil drop she deserved, Pru better not weasel out of hers!
Hey, Diana Team Tomas? Thanks! Tomas has sure done a lot for redemption in this episode. Like Pru, he started as a clown but he's doing some growing. Did you see him spontaneously cross himself when Hum said it was possible Sylvia could be left blind? Renato, Aldonza, Cris, everybody seems to have grown in this episode, not like the idiotas from the "luuurve shack" episode!
Susanlynn! Thank you! So glad I was able to fill you in on the details! Jock and Frizzy! That's a hoot! Hope to see you more this weekend!
Hella!, amiga! There you are! Thanks, girl! Yah, I be gettin INto these shows that's why I freak out when they mess with the characters! Despite what the writers are doing, all these folk are Professionals and they are BRINGIN' IT! Yes!
Aldonza should be glad they don't just arrest people based on what ever some screaming lunatic comes into the station yelling. . . Yes, but they DO get arrested based on anonymous phone calls to the police station. . .I've got half a memory on this, somebody please supply the other half: Val called the Police and accused Cris of something and he was arrested. What was that about?
And Pru, yes, she DOES deserve a Sev-sized anvil! That idiot led a lynch mob and admitted to it, she surely thinks that even with the phone in her possession and the witnesses she is untouchable. That's chemical-straight-jacket CRAZY!
And then she can go to hell. A hoe!
I loved "knick knack shack."
Thank you!
please do not insult cesspools. ;-)! I love it!
I know this belongs on the Karmageddon page, but I also thought of Sev losing the other arm--in prison. A prison like the one Julian is in over on YoNo. Sev's crimes have mostly been perpetrated against anyone in his way, in order to protect his liberty, his reputation, status, power, etc., including the rape of Aldonza. Hum was his weak spot--he didn't choose his co-conspirator very carefully.
Pru, on the other hand, directed all her attempts to hurt someone for completely selfish, jealous reasons, up close and personal. She pre-picked her victims. And it hasn't been a boozy haze that made her carry out these attacks. She has been perfectly sober when planning them. Thank goodness she couldn't get Tomas to become her accomplice. She had to resort to paying for the services of a crowd and later, a couple of thugs.
I still don't understand why throwing a rock and hitting someone in the head is not considered assault. Do I not remember correctly that there were plenty of people in the plaza who witnessed it? Maybe it was Aldonza who didn't press charges, but why not?
I love Tomas (never thought I'd say that after he and Lardo shot up Al's house!) and I love him with Silvia. I just wonder what they'd talk about at the breakfast table. That's my default thought when I try to imagine people together. On the other hand, I think Silvia could inspire him to try to expand his academic horizons (he certainly worked like a mad man for that date) and he's good for her soul: he makes her laugh and feel beautiful and wanted.
Oh, RPC is Recapper's Privelege Card. It is our right as recapper's to drastically shorten or essentially do a written fast forward on distasteful scenes and characters. I didn't make it up but I like it. Also don't use it a lot but if anybody ever deserved it, it's anything having to do with Flavia. . .except cutie pie, Little Ray!
I went back to check and at the time Aldonza basically didn't want anyone talking more about it. Weird.
"But I'm still impressed that they investigated Lardo's shooting as far as they did." Wasn't it in this case that it wasn't Sev trying to stop the investigation, rather Uriel going crazy with accusations and grief that forced Popo Incompetente to continue the investigations.
I hope Incompetente doesn't take the bribe--or at least waits and takes it as he tape records Sev. So far, he claims he just wants his gun back, NOW. A little cash always greases hands, so he has nothing to lose. Hopefully, Incopetente realizes he doth protest too much about it only being about an old gun. Inc. did have that cara de "why don't I believe you."
I love Tomas (never thought I'd say that after he and Lardo shot up Al's house!) and I love him with Silvia.
Yes, Hella, that is a well-plaid character rescue and redemption and I take this as a vote for Tomas! Yes, if she truly loved Tomas, if there were mutual love and respect between them and HE was first in line to want to expand his horizons, she could rehab him! Laughing, feeling beautiful and wanted is Goooooood!
Oh, and thanks for being the other half of my brain on why Cris was arrested on an anonymous tip from the skankster.
I actually believe the detective will turn Sev down flat and leave him more nervous than ever now that he's demonstrated that he's a slimy SOB. Yeah, Uriel hooted and hollered and granted he's a man in a man's world and big man at that. But Aldie hoots and hollers and even brings in legal teams, so I don't think that was all there was to it. But I can't remember all of the things they've taken to the popo, so I call for a review. I remember:
1) Rob's accusation about Sev burning la huerta. (True. It was Sev. Proof? A horseshoe.)
2) Al's accusation about the shooting at El Santuario (It was Lardo and Tomas, under Sev's orders. No proof offered. No gun to match with any bullets recovered.)
3) Al's accusation that Sev burned her apartment down (It was Lardo, under Sev's orders. To be fair, the evidence did lead back to him, but he was dead.)
4) Uriel's accusation that Sev was behind Lardo's murder (It was Adriano, under Sev's orders. Case still pending.)
5) Al's accusation that Sev shot her in the shoulder. (It was Val, with Sev's gun, but without Sev's knowledge. Police bungled - Sev's rifle not taken into evidence or tested.)
6) Al's accusation that Sev killed her father (Semi-true. He didn't shoot the fatal bullet, but he was at best an accomplice and helped cover the murder up. Plus, if Ray had lived through the shot, he definitely would have died from the fire. Proof? Two decades old bullets, without chain of custody.)
Drawing blanks now. Should Uriel's accusations be on here?
I think you got all of Sev's legal tangles, for which there were formal accusations. Maybe Vivi will recall any omissions.
Too bad they didn't amplify the storyline of the diversion of the water from El Santuario.
Simoneta/V had better come bobb-bobb-bobbin' up soon. That's one crime he's not going to be able to weasel out of easily--there were witnesses to the disposal of the body and lies about her whereabouts.
Hella, does the false accusation of Cris having murdered Lardo made by Vile that you remembered count? Or are you only counting the things the good guys took to the police?
How about the the turning in of Pru for the lynch mob and attempted arson at ES?
I've got the whole family here, and we're heading for Kentucky Lake for several days on a houseboat, and I don't know about internet availability, so wanted to tell you and the other recappers that if I'm not in contact for a while, it's not because I don't appreciate your work.
I am loving the idea of Sev losing his other arm and spending the rest of his days in a Mexican prison.
The CC's were back in synch!
One twisted part of me would like to se Sev convicted of a bunch of things he had nothing to do with, for example shooting Aldonza. Then he could wail about the injustice of it all.
I'm still thinking that Pru will have to be the revealer regarding Lardo Jr.'s lineage.
It seems to me that Val will likely not be investigated for any criminal wrong doing, but will be found out to be one who pays for favors with sex, and trying to foist someone else's baby onto Cris. Thus, she will be shunned by the SL society and will descend into a life of squalor.
Thanks again, Lila. May not be back until late in the week.
David
See ya later, David!
I have so lost my interest in this. It's ultimas semanas...what's up with that? Shouldn't I be interested again? I understand when I feel bored during the doldrums, but in the last four weeks? Shouldn't I be on the edge of my seat again?
Is it just me? I feel so jaded. Yet another show that went on too long. I don't even have the energy to try and figure anyone out any more. I know there will be a walk down the aisle at the end of this thing, but not because of any real change on the part of our characters....but because that's the way it works.
It feels like TN writers are just going through the motions these days and maybe I'm feeling it?
Cheer me up, tell me that it's just me and NOT the TNs.
I fully admit that as I've gotten older, the harder it is for me to stick with something for very long. And I feel like this was just so long with no real reason for the added length.
I still maintain that they could make a long TN, they just have to remember that instead of making up new, dumb stuff to take up time, they should take what they have and actually spend time telling us how the characters would react to them AND WHY. They don't spend the time they should on giving us character depth or development.
"They don't spend the time they should on giving us character depth or development."
Amorcito Corazon is a good example to me. It was long, but the characters were so well drawn that I didn't mind a minute of it's length. I'm finding the same is true for La Vecina. It's going to be long, but I love the characters and the actors. They haven't just plopped me in the middle of a story. They are creating it.
The same is true of YNCELH, even if it is a story that makes me want to punch people in the throat.
With Sombra I NEVER felt like they were really trying to tell a story. I always felt like a writer was there saying "Just go with it. They're in love."
There isn't one relationship in this that I really feel like I'm rooting for. I'm lazy to go back and look, but who was saying that most of us don't even WANT the couples they seem to be forcing on us?
I don't want Lola with Em.
I don't care if Cris and Aldonza are together.
I care about two things: Sev suffering and dying and what will happen to Cande. And it's taking waaaay to long to get to that.
Make that three things: I always look forward to a wedding dress. ALWAYS.
On another note, it's been bothering me that according to Irma, she couldn't get money from Uriel/the bank because Uriel said the store was a bad investment. I wonder if that is actually true, or if she'd be making a respectable profit, if not for having to help Lardo and having both kids steal from her. Maybe Uriel can't see the point in a little store full of craft supplies and tchotchkes, but if I were living in Santa Lucia, I'd be thrilled to have somewhere local where I could get craft supplies instead of having to make a trip to San Miguel.
The secret passphrase is "the same is true for..."
These days, none of those ideas apply.
I absolutely remember how much I loved this when it first started (though I've always been lukewarm on the love story part.) "Ran out of steam" may be a better description.
It is possible to have a long TN that holds the attention of the audience, but it can't be easy. I just feel like the shorter TNs require tighter writing and less extraneous stuff.
Cuna de Lobos was 85 episodes and every episode was great.
I will admit, I did NOT want Silvia and Tomas together under any circumstances, but the actors sold me on it. Maybe they had easier material to work with, no big obstacles to overcome in order to be together. But I think it shows that it's possible for the show to change my mind, at least. It's not like I've just decided that Cris and Aldonza absolutely cannot be together and I refuse to change my mind--they just need to do a better job at showing me that the characters want that to happen. They can't take today's Cris and Aldonza, put them in formalwear, and shove them down the aisle. It doesn't work like that! Except that seems to be exactly how this works.
"I (we?) think that it means two people are in love and things happen to describe and develop that love, to demonstrate its strength to the audience. We see why they fell in love, or, as is more likely, why their love at first sight is justified."
YES!!! And that is so much less frustrating to watch. I feel like that is what might be happening on YNCELH and it seems to be happening on La Vecina.
But we seem to get too much of that. If we do, it always seem to be with secondary characters. Silvia and Tomas are turning out to be the well written couple. Totally agree with you on that, Diva
I would even go with love at first sight if they didn't have the couple believing everyone but each other. If it was love at first sight, then let it be trust at first site, too!!
cathyx: Oh, you just made me feel so much better! I refuse to give up my "habit", but I am starting to tire of getting bored.
Right? I *know* these things are formulaic...but do they have to make them so...formulaic?
Why are we getting remakes 5 years after the last remake (which was the 3rd remake)?
I've actually gotten to where if I'm not recapping a show, I'll skip it for weeks, watch a week or two, then skip weeks again. And when it's all over, I feel like I really liked the show.
That is the biggest missed opportunity of this whole show- rape recovery.
There is still time for that to happen.
This show definitely lost steam. And credibility. Gah.
Mis Planes..... WHAT Planes? Nothing has been happening with that melon patch.
Drought..... WHAT drought? I agree that this could have been a good aspect of the story. But the writers took vacation, Mrs. Martinez's eighth grade class took over the writing *and* directing, so ..... meh.
Maybe a good rain storm will happen, flash flooding, and Simoneta's trunk will wash up on Cande's front lawn.
The Patio can only hope.
Is the coffin-table too damning? Do they need to save it for a big finish? I mean, sure, Lola would say she saw the box in the back of Sev's truck, and there's potential DNA evidence of a connection between Simoneta and Sev, and he even admitted to Cris that he was having an affair with her...but would this be the one time the cops don't say "Aw, it's not enough evidence," so they're having to stall on bringing Simoneta back for her curtain call?
Realizing it will sound a lot like my earlier rant--take it for what it's worth, just saying it in a different was.
IF the producers are going to make telenovelas that are extremely long, THENthey have no excuse not to give us great backstories and exciting storytelling without making it feel like we are on a storyline treadmill and introducing a lot of extraneous characters and sidestories midway through. (Sorry Don Antonio and Vero--I like you, but, and there was no reason to have Gonzo and Flavia's little fling boring us.) They should also be able to develop the romantic angle slowly and carefully, even the ones that start at first sight.
IF Univision is going to get these long telenovelas, THEN it has to stop cutting them up when it doesn't know what it's doing. Univision should be able to ask for shorter telenovelas. Granted these stories are made for a Mexican audience/market--but I don't believe so much anymore--the U.S. market is much more profitable. We live in a different world than 30 years ago, or even 20, when it was mostly women watching 3 or 4 of these stories every night for months. Shorter can still work.
OTHO, when Univision does cooperate with a production team, we get such absolutely idiotic novelas like Corazon Apasionado and El Talisman for starters.
It seems my rant has frittered out. Maybe some of my frustration will be back tomorrow. Right now, it's off to watch the rest of Poldark.
Maybe the writers think that Sev dying will take away the whole experience in a flash and she'll be good to go. For Pete's sake! OK, NOW I'm going to go watch Poldark.
This mostly male writing team seems to be getting off on Severiano's macho posturing and his sadism. It doesn't seem to care about the long-term effects the rape has had on Aldonza so it therefore has no clue on how to deal with it constructively.
It is also possible -- as I have stated in a previous discussion -- that very few victims in Mexico actually get help for this. If that is the case there should be a message here that this is not a good thing and that victims should get help from a shrink. This is too large a psyche issue for even the best priest and Padre Jeronimo can hardly be impartial about it because Aldonza is his niece. He is the one who can steer her to a shrink.
If there even is one in SL. She needs to go to DF.
It's also ironic that the two most virginal young women in this story are named for iconic whores: Aldonza (Man of La Mancha) and Lola (The Blue Angel) while their peer nasties have names like Maria and Valeria. I'm thinking here that this is about how easy it is to make people believe what they want to believe in certain situations.
Aldonza's earlier failure to report the "stoning" is clearly about how useless it would have been for her to do so. Who is going to believe the (alleged) town slut's accusations against a doctor's wife? How about the witnesses' failure to report it? They either sided with Prudencia, laughed about it, or just didn't care. She also failed to report the rape in the first place which was also about the lack of eyewitnesses.
Talk about a town without pity.
So while 137 is not long, if it wasn't done well it can feel like torture. Same goes for the 120 episodes of La Gata.
I don't like that after the initial quality of this, they seemed to have trouble with the pacing and continuity.
OK. PJ and Cande are the perfect example. We started this thing thinking that Cande had a crush on PJ but he was never aware of it. Then one day we get some scenes that sound like they actually had a pretty serious relationship. Huh?
Instead of boring me with Mari and Lola or Joaquin and Flavia and Adelina, give me a well written story about PJ and Cande.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't need to have bomb shells dropped all the time to feel like I'm being entertained.
So. We will all hang in to the end to make sure everyone WE want hanged will be! We'll make it through! Okay. Off to work.
And here's something I've noticed and I'm sure it's just me. It's not just the same old story it's also the same old set. We've made jokes about the pear robe, but the magic is lost when you use the same exteriors and set dressing.
Examples - remember the Von Ferdinand house in Lola érase una vez? I've seen it in 3 other TNs.
Las Animas? Just saw it in a promo for the new version of Doña Barbara.
Dr Seuss lamp in La Vecina? Also in YNCELH as is a black and white figurine.
The patio in Susana's house (YNCELH)? Also the patio of Vanessa's engagement party humiliation in LQNPA.
And the Daniel's house in YNCELH has also been used before.
AcT may not be the highest quality, but at least I'm seeing new surroundings.
It really breaks the spell for me when the same settings are used repeatedly. I understand cost cutting, but it's starting to get ridiculous.
If anyone had interest in this site, it would be Univision, not Televisa. But Univision has FB and twitter and you can also sign up to be an Univisionista and they send periodic polls about their programming.
I tend to think they are not working very cohesively and it's a show by show, producer by producer thing. And yes, once you've hit gold with CI and then TSTSNBN, then you get the green light for any future productions.
I think someone once mentioned that Televisa was the biggest game in town. I'm sure they are now having to adjust because of the advent of the Internet and other forms of entertainment being available. I'm sure they will find their way again.
Where do you all get your viewship information?
I get angry that Univision won't air them like they do in Mexico. They edit and try to squeeze in as much advertising time as possible. And if the ratings are low, the US audience doesn't get to see the whole thing like the Mexican audience does.
I say let Giselle and Rosy take over for a while.
When remakes across countries and networks happen it bothers me less than when the same network remakes something in less than 10 years. Especially now that everything is shot in HD and looks so much better. Tech improvement was the initial reason for remaking stuff such as when TV went from B&W to Color and when it went from low to high definition.
Televisa should do its own Zorro. Starring Diego Olivera.
The subject of remakes should be its own weekend topic again. Maybe the upcoming one. And Televisa should check out my film noir idea.
A "shrink"? Do you mean a psychiatrist? I'm not sure that would be exactly correct in either Mexico or the US. On TNs I'm most used to hearing "psychologist" as the person you go to for talk therapy, which always trips me out because in the US a psychologist usually does research rather than providing treatment. I guess a "psychologist" in Mexico is what I'm used to hearing called a "counselor" or "therapist" in the US. Psychiatrists in the US have medical degrees and are primarily prescribing medication and following up to check that it's still working appropriately. They don't usually engage in therapy. It seems like this is the same in Mexico, so I wouldn't say that's who's best qualified to provide therapeutic services for a rape victim on an ongoing basis. Maybe they'd be part of the treatment team, if a survivor needed medication to help with sleeplessness or anxiety or depression associated with the trauma, but they aren't as likely to be engaged in counseling/therapy beyond follow-ups for the purposes of adjusting or changing a prescription.
What they seem to fail to understand is that updating with fresh faces is all well and good, but the core of the story must remain solid. A coat of pretty paint without primer on a shoddy surface is only going to look nice for a little while, then it's going to look even worse. If they don't work on character development and pacing, people will look elsewhere or download illegally.
I think it's ridiculous that they cut all that they Vivi told us about with the last edited episode, yet gave us no growth in Aldie or Cris despite them spiriting themselves away for two and a half solid episodes in which they apparently had barely half of the same repeated conversation they'd been having for months: QUE?! Y POR QUE?! Foolishness!
Diva: I'm now wondering about language, because you are right. People here would say "she needs to see a therapist to help with the trauma." or "She needs counseling." Yet, I've mainly heard "psicólogo" on the TNs.
hellashelle-you've given a perfect example of why Univision can exasperate me. The stuff that Vivi said was cut seemed really important.
Also, sara, your comment about remakes being cheaper makes total sense to me. You buy the rights to something, you want to use it as fully as possible. There are some I don't think are really necessary, but that's probably just due to my own biases. For example, I loved CME. I've tuned into LI, and it just doesn't capture me the way CME did. But then again, I LOVE Silvia Navarro and I'm not a huge fan of Ana Brenda, so I'm probably in a minority. And, of course, for everything that did't see the original (La Mentira) or the CME remake, I'm sure LI is great. I've heard that ENDA was a much longer remake of some other TN that many people didn't like , but I think it's one of the best TNs I've ever seen, so to each his own. Who am I to bregrudge a newbie's seeing a TN that captures their imagination?
Soy tu dueña was a remake and I liked that one and I've never seen the original.
TdA was a remake and I've tried watching the original and I can't. But that probably has more to do with kind of knowing what's going to happen.
I never think it's a good idea to remake anything which stared a beloved actor/actress. I think El Manantial should probably have been left alone because who is going to fill Adela Noriega's shoes?
I agree it must be cheaper to go with a story you already have the rights to and that has been a proven success. And like you say Sara, it's not like networks have seen some huge payoff when they green light a new/original story.
I think even the cast of the previous Dona Barbara was gobsmacked. Some of them took to twitter lamenting the remake.
(Yeah, yeah. I liked Cachito.)
I wish they could have done the same here with Sombra. I really wanted to see Aldonza in an office working with distributors and then going out to the fields and talking ag stuff and being all smart and "I'll show Sev and make my momma proud!"
While infatuation illogical, sexual desire biology and romantic love a mystery certainly it can be portrayed with more finesse than a brawl between rivals, a well timed unsolicited kiss, an alcohol induced pregnancy trap, a half dozen trips to the ER and/or jail. If the anointed couple were immature teens I would expect no less but we have adult men and women with pretty faces, immaculately dressed, coiffed and rocking bodies.
Right? Why aren't they writing better?! Why are they using mad libs and bad tropes?
Making it up as they go along? Or changed their minds about what the story was going to be?
Either way, what happened to having a story with a beginning, a middle, and an end?
Oh, I don't like Lo Imperdonable, though watching, may never make the end
OK, so, beginning: boy and girl meet
End: boy and girl get married
Middle: boy and girl are kept apart by various shenanigans carried out by any or all of the following...
-his family
-her family
-one or more scheming exes
-one or more people driven mad by the scent of eau de protagonista or cologne de protagonista which may include "friends" or not
-some large project that needs to be completed before the couple can even consider marriage
OK, fine, the middle is going to drag on forever and pretty much suck. But the end is going to come eventually, so quit throwing up obstacles that you have no way whatsoever to resolve.
Thinking back, I think it all went south with that kiss Valeria planted on Cris at just the right moment so Aldonza could see it. After that it starting making me bitter.
You know it's sad when you are watching a TN and there's a video conference call and you start asking yourself "Hey, Is this the first time I've ever seen this?" and you actually squee out loud because...technology!
And those descriptions are TOTALLY Mad libs...The story of ____ and ____ whose love is threatened by _________.
Lila
I think they think the wedding at the end will make it all ok. If it was 5-10 episodes of shenanigans, maybe, but this is more like 50-60 episodes of shenanigans! I'm gonna need a little more than a wedding.
And it was still not done well.
I have to admit, all the grumbling has made me sort of look forward to tonight's episode.
(Ever since someone told that joke in class, I could never resist. Because I'm 12.)
How many therapists does it take to change a light bulb?
Just one, but the light bulb has to want to change.
Thank you, folks, I'll be here all week. Enjoy your dinner and please remember to tip your waitstaff!
I'm ambivalent about tonight. I want to know what's going to happen, but I'm anxious about what's going to happen with Silvia. I may need someone to hold me.
I understand your trepidation about tonight, Diva. I don't want to see Silvia hurt and I don't want to have to go into full-on fuss mode over it, either! Remember, we're all holding hands a praying/sending positive vibes that our Silvia isn't permanently injured!
As to the DNA issue hanging over our characters' heads, Cristobal has a common blood type. They would need to do an actual analysis as they did with Sev's and Aldonza's DNA x episodes ago. That is possible but risky at the moment and much easier after the birth.
We'll see if we get to that particular fast-forward anytime soon. Right now I see Sev about to ratchet up the evil yet again because we have 14 episodes left.
Well, you all know where I stand: No real romance? Then you better work 2 or 3 times as hard to sell me on the rest of it.
No freakin' way they keep Silvia blind! No freakin' way! If they keep Silvia blind, I'm going to have to picket an Univision station!
But this ties into a Karmageddon type post I want to make about Mari:
I think I've finally figured out why she bugs me so much. I think it's because I know that she knows what she does is wrong and she does it anyway. Without caring about people's jobs or their community's respect. This isn't like Val or Pru where they're so F***ed up in the head, they'll never truly learn. This is a person who's been taught all the right values, and is still a b****. And she's going to get away with it. Oh, not in the sense that she won't get outed, but in the sense that I truly don't think they'll let her feel the full impact of the anvil because of repentence and it pisses me off. It's like a child that's told not to play with the microwave, then sticks foil in it, starts a fire and end up getting an ice cream cone because she cried so hard when caught.
Got quiet for a bit but turned out to be a stimulating. . .and cathartic. . .discussion this weekend!
:D
Can't wait to discuss last night's ep!
Lila
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