Tuesday, January 31, 2017
Vino el Amor, Lunes 1/30/17 Chapter 64: Out of the Mouths of Babes, II
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Loved the screencap of Luci looking at Disgrace. It made me think of the expression"If looks could kill."
Well, it was snotger spiside of..Bobby..Bobby..Booby...Bobby. Kids can often see people's true natures when adults cannot. Graciela grabbed his little arm pretty roughly twice. Remember that , Bob.
Miguel , Luci is just not that into you, but Erica is. Time to change directions .
No progress, really, in either direction. Gracie spun this so she isn't getting the chewing out -- and booting out -- she deserves. WTH are the writers waiting for?
There better at least be progress on the immigrant situation. I'm tired of Juan and Mark. However, the fallout will affect David negatively.
Your dialog translations were excellent and so very helpful! Knowing what actually transpired gives life and dimension to the scenes, and this insightful knowledge is very much appreciated.
You are at your finest with your comments on Graciela: "Her paper-white skin almost blended into the walls" and "She should have seen the look on her own face, but we doubt she has much of a reflection" which were among many favorites.
Like Susanlynn, I also loved "Marital Shrine". It is painfully obvious Lisa is missed and her memory is cherished. I had thought David was trying to fight his attraction to Luci. While he may be doing so on some level, it is Graciela who clearly seems to be occupying his uppermost thoughts, however reprehensible that is to us.
I know Graciela would slither out of the situation. She always does. It's a shame David didn't see through her subterfuge as clearly as Luci does.
UA, thank you for reminding us that if the immigrants are caught, it will greatly harm David. I keep forgetting Dumb and Dumber are acting independently but of course ultimately, it is David's responsibility if they are found on his land.
Luci has a clear opening to extricate herself from Miguel. It's likely far too early in the storyline for her to do so, although we fervently wish it would occur so she can start a relationship with David and Miguel can start up with Erica. I'm looking forward to both.
UA, thanks for everything. The screen shot was fabulous too.
Diana
Which could suit Lillian fine but not Gracie and they will fight again.
Since these workers work on Adolfo's crops he might take umbrage with David and accuse him of sabotage when Juan's involvement is uncovered. Perla and Carito's involvement will also look bad for David.
It was very disturbing!
Diana: I'm on Team Erika: GO FOR IT BABY :)
Susanlynn: Gutierrez doing a raid: what could possibly go wrong ?
"She should have seen the look on her own face, but we doubt she has much of a reflection"
Bobby is my favorite character but hate that everyone spoils him.
Yep Tano, you were used to make Susan feel better, charge next time.
Makes me sick that Ramon orbits his life away around Marta the black hole. Let's see. Fernando dead, Marcos dies in exile, Brian ruined, see a pattern here Ramon?
It's way pass time for Miguel to grow up emotionally. He is no longer 14 and Luciana 12. The fantasy relationship of a teenage boy is not fate and you cannot force your fantasy on someone with their own. What has irked me about an otherwise responsible, thoughtful, sensitive galan is his attempted domination of Luciana. To be fair, Luciana has used his fantasy as salve for the frustration of not realizing her own with David. Will the adult Miguel please stand up, put on a shirt with sleeves, go ask Erika out on a date, date, not a friend thingie, and tell Luciana to go San Francisco herself.
I cringe when I see Susan. I have had enough of her wailing , weeping, and hand wringing. Cesar , like Miguel, is there to get her some food and a beverage. TAno, you are a boy who was just a toy. Shame on you, Susan.
" [She needs a passport and a one-way plane ticket to Europe.]" There's an App for that.
That slobbering, crying, shaking, quivering, bowl of Jello, Aaarrrrgh. I am all for Mark kidnapping her and we never see her again. To the untrained eye it appears she is getting what she wants.
HOW....MUCH....WILLPOWER...does it take to miss a call. Next.
Everything will be fine if there is not a mirror in there somewhere. If there is, he will probably need 'a few' to touch up that hair and uniform before the press is called.
Prediction for the raid: They will find the immigrants but Juan and Mark are nowhere near the place. Considering that we're not quite at the halfway mark yet it will take at least a couple more episodes for them to get Juan and Mark, followed by David falling under suspicion.
If David ends up in trouble over this that puts Bobby in real danger of being sent away. I suspect this episode was setting that up.
BTW, I don't think Bobby is spoiled. He's a good kid. David, Marta, and Luciana show him appropriate affection that he doesn't get from Gracie and Lillian. Sonia tries but Bobby knows that Lillian was somehow using her. It's FerBrat who is spoiled and only because Gracie and Lillian are using her. Once she has outlived her usefulness to them she won't get a damned thing from them. David has caved to her tantrums about Luciana. While he needs time to get over Lisa he should not allow this brat to dictate his life.
This episode was definitely one of Graciela's more succubus-simulating-a-normal-person moments, minus the bit where David all but went "I'm a man, you're hot, but I'm a mess and we can't go there..." and she managed to hide a "Squeeee!"
I do agree that Bobby's not spoiled, or at least not like Fernanda is. But, like just about all soap kids, he's definitely kid-self-centered and stubborn. His being Luciana's cheerleader weirdly plays as both a plus and a minus, but I'm inclined to place that on the writers (along with so, so much more) rather than the character.
Since the show has been playing so fast and loose with locations in general, it wouldn't surprise me if Juan and Mark had indeed been using some hitherto-unmentioned building on the Angeles vineyard grounds to stash their "workforce." But I'd think there'd at least have been some sort of allusion to that before now, unless I've missed something. More likely it's somewhere in Sonoma, but the immigrants will likely somehow point Gutierrez at either Juan, Carito or Perla (in that order, I suspect) and thus loop the backlash around to David.
As for Susan: Cesar telling her to outright change her phone number was a minor "You go, boy!" moment, and reminding her that she has support and that she can indeed DO THIS and bounce Mark like a check was quite welcome. That said she went straight from that to giving Tano the "You were a rebound guy" speech (and points to the show for establishing that she's not looking to rebound again, which was the sanest thing she's probably said in a couple of weeks), which gave Tano a moment to inevitably flip out Mark-style over the whole thing. Which, again IMHO, kinda explains how Susan ended up with him. Now if we can just get Mar Contreras through an episode without crying...
Thoughts -
- I think Tano and Susan's hair is the least of their issues. Susan is just a mess who needs a new address, job, location and cell phone, and Tano needs to date age-appropriate Fer.
- I think both Fer and Bobby are a mix of spoiled and neglected and now it's coming to roost. Bobby actually works my nerves far more than Fer. It's interesting to me that a telenovela kid elicits more diverse opinions than some of the adults. I suspect Tano will be good for Fer.
- Gawd I hope Gutierrez captures the bad guys but I suspect it's too soon plotwise for all of that. Especially Mark. I am so done with awful Mark.
- I felt like Luciana (even though she was in the right) needed to butt out of the family business last night.
- I cannot wait until Miguel dumps Luciana for Erika. It can't happen soon enough.
Kids who lose a parent due to death or divorce often need a lot of extra attention, love, and affection. Bobby is a lost little soul who misses his sweet mother and meanwhile is surrounded by anti-abuela and Tia Icicle.
Kirby, GUt is one of those guys who just cannot get enough of himself. I guess we all know guys who cannot resist looking into every mirror they pass. he probably was quarterback in high school.
I am not surprised that TAno was smitten by Susan. Teenage boys are like hormones wearing shoes and often crush on their young female teachers.
If we still have months left, where is this saga headed?
Or maybe as we saw in P&P they are still using TNTT (TelenNovela Thought Travel). Where someone needed to head over to the office to rat someone out, and they were there all the way across town before the recipient's phone could ring. You just think it and Pfftt ! you are there.
The L A S T thing I want is to see Bobby talking to a shrink.
Now Bobby tell me about your family.
"Doctor, my Aunt is mean, she lies, and I think she killed my Mom, her sister," Sob, sniff.
Rrrrring...
Hello?
Mr. Mables, this is Dr. Thunk, Your son is much worse than we initially thought. He.....................
Susan should just let it go to voicemail and keep the recordings as evidence.
As for the speedy travel, perhaps Scotty is beaming them around. Marked and Juan are both extremely lazy , so my guess is that those immigrants are not far from the vineyard.
Yes, Urban, my friend's ex sent her awful emails which she printed out and took to her attorney.
Bobby and Fer are good kids, who sometimes have hissyfits over real or imagined wrongs -- normal. I'm up for babysitting either of them. David just needs to apply a firmer, consistent hand -- and tell Graciela and Lilian to hit the road and move into their own homes.
Kudos to Bobby. He went toe to toe with Graciela. Too bad his doofus father didn’t pick up the ball and figure our Gracie’s intent.
Graciela grabbed Bobby so hard, twice, that I'd expect him to have bruises. But I've given up on logic here. A few days ago, a witness recorded Mark's beatdown of Cesar, but nothing became of it.
Yep, Luciana has a golden opportunity to let Miguel know she felt pushed into committing to him so soon, but we've got loads of episodes to go...
Miguel, if you cannot remember Luci telling you that she loves you...It's because she hasn't..Annnd ....She doesn't. Time for some new wine at the friendly neighboring vineyard.
Why does Susan keep answering her phone?? One of the rules for dealing with a stalker is to interact with him as little as possible. It just fuels the fire. Some phones and services let you block certain numbers; there are apps that let you block numbers; even on my crummy phone I was able to assign a silent ringtone to numbers I don't want to hear from. And I don't answer the phone anyway unless I recognize the number AND want to talk to the person.
Graciela. I'm not surprised she was able to talk her way out of this one - that was easy. But David is getting his guard up.
I don't think Susan's attraction to Tano was any mystery at all. He was cute, she was on the rebound, and he made himself available. She wouldn't have gone for him if she'd been in a good emotional place; alas, she was a wreck and he was just the life-affirming fling that she needed.
Are we in fact seeing small glimmers of his awakening to the (cloaked, hidden) things going on under his nose? I think we are. Admittedly he does the mannequin challenge much better that he does nuances of facial expression. We will give him that, as he came to where he is doing the mannequin, IE Mr. bodybuilder World or something.
I was disappointed in his admission to DisGrace that she causes carnal 'feelings'. I hope somehow that causes her to shoot herself in the foot, but I don't know how. She's not the only "Hot, Headed for Forty" blonde in Southern California. Look around Dave.
I hate her. I wish when she was abducting Bobby in his own home he had clawed her in the face and run to Daddy. Sometimes a fellow just needs a wake up call.
The more I see Miguel and Luciana, it's so apparent that they are just totally wrong for each other. She is just not into him. He's a good friend and that's all because there is no chemistry for her and he just doesn't "do it" for her the way David does. Miguel needs to dump her for Erika since it's obvious that Erika is quite attracted to him. Luciana is not liking Miguel's "I'm the man, therefore I'm going to see to it that I protect you and no one else is allowed to." Myself, I HATE the overbearing macho stuff, it sure rubs me the wrong way.
Also, since she has known Miguel since extreme youth I would be shocked if she found him hot. There is no mystery, nothing to discover. She knows he's a good guy but you just don't get hot and bothered about someone you know that long.
When we were introduced to Susan pre Tano, she was recently divorced, rebuilding her life with a new dream job, though fighting still possessed a home, educated, pretty and self aware enough not to want a relationship as she detoxed. Now she is a quivering mess, no longer lives in her own home but a coed bunkhouse without her stuff and it takes the time and exhaustive effort of Cesar, David and Miguel just to keep her out of the fetal position.
http://www.lovefraud.com/2017/01/26/my-unwitting-relationship-with-a-sociopath-corroded-who-i-was/
I'd like to know more about her family though besides her father.
My issue with Susan's storyline is that there was no hint to Viewerville about what she'd been through. I think the writers decided midstream to do it. Honestly, after what Susan had been through, Cesar should've been just the man for her. Instead she turned to young Tano.
I am so sorry you had to endure all that you did. I cannot even begin to imagine.
It is obvious you are a strong survivor. I wish you continued strength as well as courage. And of course, prayers.
Diana
Agree with you all that this IS the time for Luci to divest herself of her "confusion" about who she loves, level with Miguel as Susan has with Tano and LET MIGUEL GO! It appears she might just hang on to Miguel because she can't stand to let him go knowing Erica is ready to spring -- not waiting --from the wings. That would be childish and mean of her. If Miguel senses that, then HE must be the man he keeps broadcasting he is and let Luci go.
Luci, then freed, needs to go to David and the two of them pledge to fight Fernanda, DisGracie and Lili for the right to love.
Maybe if David is implicated, and perhaps jailed, when the immigrant jeet hits the fan, the drama of accusation and incarceration will make Luci declare her love for David as we know she'll be the first one flouncing down to the jailhouse to argue for his innocence.
. . .and they just keep stringing us along!
It is always disappointing when you get the feeling that the writers are making things up on the fly, because then there's little hope of ending up with a masterfully crafted story. And plausibility goes right out the window. :-(
And gut may have more problems now but
They are about to go away. It the folk
Are there. I hope they are so they can
Be freed and he can be Sheriff, and without lillian's help. And what could
She have done anyway. She just poison waiting to desolve.
I was just getting frustrated lookin at that argument between tano-n-susyQ.
He was just a snack to her. She just wanted to play after being imprisoned
By smelly Mark. But the girl need a man. Now me myself, I think that man should be Cesar. But Cesar to tamed for her. You'd think she would want somebody this sensible and solid after being married to freaky mark. I wonder how many times he raped her under the guise of marriage, in his twisted mine
I'd like to see her give Cesar a chance. But she just want play. Grow up Girl.
Juan and petal are just to stupid people who really don't even need to be present anymore. I don't even care about them anymore. If they get killed
Off I just would not care. I'm not heartless they're just takin up space. They're boring. The same goes for Clarita. What is she doing here? She's
Never going to have Miguel. She should
Just leave and go work for ericka's family. There's probably somebody over
There that will find a whiney clingy mean girl attractive. But if they're like me and some of the other patio pals they'll kick her mean butt to the curve too.
Ok, that bull graciboo gave David was just that poo. Glad Lucy saw that. Dav
Is just too nice to his freaky inlaws.
I'll be happy when he takes off the dark blinders. I hope gut free da peoples.
If only Susan had kept her mouth shut and not told Luciana of David kissing Graciela. To that point Luciana was all over Miguel and making plans. Does she really prefer David or does she not want him to have Graciela and with her jealously over Erika, is that another, I may not want him but no one else can either.
I am trying to be patient, really I am, but with so much potential tied up in Erika it's hard to wait for things to heat up.
I can just see Julie's comment on "Smelly Mark." They get my vote, too. No way I'd pick up his T-shirt for a long sniff.
Boy might decide he needs a little down time and R E S T. Ha !
Sorry to hear about what happened.
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