Monday, March 13, 2017
Vino el Amor, Lunes 3/13/17 Chapter 92: Extreme Distress
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"If Fernanda is that important to you, teach her. To be a strong woman. To not spend her life blackmailing people"
The first person Luciana should fire when she becomes Mrs Robles is that damn nanny.
Well, well, Miguel knew the way to San Jose, yet saved his heart for San Francisco.
Adolfo knows how to pick um don't he?
In all fairness to Lillian, though, I think if she had witnessed that "session" she would not have approved and would have told Anderson to take a long walk off a short pier. It's obvious he is going to try to milk the succibi for all the money he can and Fernanda will be a bigger mess than she is now. DisGracie is now doing her best to cause maximum damage. No conscience at all. With fifty episodes left we're going to see Ferbratzilla on the warpath against David and Luciana.
I hope I wasn't mistaken about Cesar's facial expressions in the hospital room.
Marta belongs in the same chamber pot with Lilian and Graciela.
I hope Luciana realizes soon that Miguel is not her best friend but a possessive creep. So wanted her to pull the rug from under him and declare her love for David but accept her excuse. However, I wish it had been because it's none of his business.
I hope everyone in the blizzard's path is doing OK. The snow is coming down in clumps here and I think I'm hearing ice particles hitting my windows. At least I have enough food for at least the rest of the week. At least half the subway system is shut down today and all the schools are closed.
Miguel is an ASS!!!
I'm TIRED OF FERNANDA!!!! What an insufferable, spoiled, narrow-minded, IDIOTA!!!
I feel better. Back later!
Poor Tano!
Luciana is right about everything she says in an episode for once, lol.
I usually take up for Miguel but he had nerve yelling at Luciana. I don't think she should feel badly about how she handled it at all. Time for both to move on. That said, I hope Miguel and Carito get rescued.
"The flies on the wall saw that Adolfo was probably weakening" made me laugh in spite of last night's grim plot lines.
With Carito and Juan at their bratty best, their jealousy and carrying on had them pay a very high price. I suspected Mark was never going to leave Carito alone and sadly, I was right (a rare occurrence).
"He demanded to know how long this had been going on and went on like a jealous husband". This was so utterly disrespectful, not only to Luci but Erica as well. How crushed she would be if she knew he ran back to Luci awash in the green eyed monster. I hope he comes to his senses before he loses her.
Very impressed with the way Tano stood up to David, being calm and respectful in his responses. I hope David realizes Tano is a help, not a hindrance.
It was hard to watch the "doctor" play his mind games with Fernanda. UA, I agree with you and tofie in that the doctor is definitely on Cesar's radar. He gave him a sharp, appraising look. Cesar does not miss much.
I love that both Luci and Erica are spitfires, speaking up to their mother and father respectively, telling them they will not forego the love of their lives simply because their parent tells them to.
I agree with Mark in one thing. Perla will be his undoing. Her finding that phone was another step toward that goal.
Susan is expecting Miguel. How fast will she realize something is radically wrong? I am fervently hoping there will be no shooting or maiming.
It just started snowing heavily here in MA. We are expecting 12 to 18 inches. Stay warm and safe all.
Diana
Marta: "if she hadn't chosen Marcos her life would have been something else" what a disturbingly vague statement.
Luciana: "You know what? If Fernanda is that important to you, teach her. To be a strong woman." Ha! Marta wouldn't know how to teach her that. Marta settled and she wants everyone else to settle, too.
Erika's mother is living in Europe. I wonder if she'll come back to see Erika.
Miguel. Sigh. He just had to give Luciana his two cents in person.
My snow forecast has been decreased to 3 to 7 inches, then rain. I hope it doesn't change again for the worse.
Having said that, I also think that Miguel had no business coming after Luciana about her relationship with David. It is none of his business, especially in view of his just having boinked Erika. He should concentrate on her.
He will survive this latest situation, although I'm now not sure that he will survive the rest of this story.
I'm concerned that Adolfo will fall into Lillian's trap... or Juan's.
OT: A new pun for everyone's amusement. There is a cute little Mexican bistro in my neighborhood whose sandwich blackboard sign on the sidewalk reads TACO EMERGENCY, call 9-Juan-Juan
But then we might end up with a story where Luci has a crush on David from age 13. Ugh. Next!
TACO EMERGENCY! I wish there were a local Mexican place that delivered. Not that I would expect them to deliver today, but in general I think it would be heavenly to have enchiladas delivered to my door.
Like you Julie, something hot and delicious delivered to my door today would hit the spot. An enchilada or taco would be perfect. But in reality, I will have my usual salad (lite on the lettuce)...
Diana
If nothing else, Show is definitely widening the rift between Marta and Luciana. The gag is that it's still indirectly highlighting Marta's "I'm trying to save mija some grief, honest, but it's still looking like raging preferential bitchiness" hypocrisy (not nearly on the level of Team Succubus, but still), but that inevitably goes back to Schroedinger's Affair: if you cheat on your husband and nobody sees it or elaborates on it, did it really happen?
Carito and Miguel each having a "Why didn't you love me?" jealous-spouse moment with their original would-be boos was nice and poetic, albeit punctuated in both cases by Mark's henchmen (and suddenly Chinese Knockoff Ryan Gosling levels up in villano just a bit). That said, while Show still needs to give us one or two lines specifically about it to tie it in a bow, Juan turning out to have Lisa's lost cellphone was a nice callback. The hilarious part about that, and Graciela and Dr. Evil and Fer, is that Lilian increasingly is less of a villain in comparison and more of a plain old (it's still Azela Robinson, so it's not exactly plain) busybody bitch.
And maybe it's because it's in the blinding light of Ferzilla's atomic bitching, but David's come off as so much saner in these past few episodes. Still kind of reacting to everything versus acting, but the guy's trying.
9 Juan Juan is clever. RATS ! I wish I'd thought of that.
This will surprise no Juan, but I don't feel sorry for any of these jerks as the mini anvils start falling. Miguel, Carita, FerBrat, SkidMark, NoJuan, DisGrace, Lillian, DrEvil, they can scoop all them up with a front end loader like the disgusting refuse they are.
It seems backward, but we don't always get what we want in TNs, that the least unlikeable are getting theirs first, while DisGrace, SkidMark etc. are on cruise control. Maybe Carita gets to be 'with' Miggy after all?
Some of you Sherlock Holmes here predicted the cell phone in the box. That is big. Thank you Modern Technology which remembers without battery power.
Spell check takes exception to so many of my made up words and names I have to spell check spell check !
Now we'll see who gets to his hospital bed first - Luci or Erika.
I was watching without my glasses and when I saw Dr Anderson, I thought he looked like Martin Mull. (Not very funny, though.)
Sadly, I think you are right. She may "love" her but she doesn't like her. They can't be friends, they can't hang out together and do each others' hair, they can't watch a movie together, and they can't talk about anything without it going bad. They have nothing in common... or they cannot share what they do have in common.
Let's see, there is an actual blood relation between Luci and FerBrat. FerSperm is FerBrat's GrandFather and Luci's Father. But there is no actual blood relation with Luci and David as the blood only flows downhill, so to speak. There is between him and FerBrat and between FerBrat and Luci but not Luc and Dav, so in a barnyard kind of way, it is alright for them to have children, or at least try, try, try.
Kirby: The reason why Marta has NO friends is because she is THE HELP: a 21st Century Slave.
Tofie: I see that Carito wants Miguel so bad, is she willing to go to extremes to get him such as harming Erika ?
I'm getting real scared for Erika due to her lung problems, etc.,
Bill C: The kicker & Karma for FerBrat will be when she finds out that her sweet Tia Graciela whacked FerBrat's Mommy. Then, she'll change her bratty attitude soon.
UA: MUCHAS GRACIAS.
"They have nothing in common... or they cannot share what they do have in common". Nailed it Julie.
And thank you for noting no morals Doc looked like Martin Mull. I knew he reminded me of someone but couldn't think of who! Still smiling
Diana
Luciana was so right. Teach your little brat not to blackmail her pop. But Lu should've told Mig about her relationship with David. Mig would've still blown his top, but she would've taken the high road in telling him out of respect for their friendship. After all, she was mooning over David at the same time she was nearing San Fran with Mig.
I have two sets of childhood friends, as well as parents (my mom was and still is a close friend of a sister of my dad's), who can attest that sometimes folks, like Miguel, do fall in love young (10 to 13) with a childhood friend and, unlike Miguel, live happily ever after with that love.
Erica needs to slow her roll and wait to see if Miguel values her as he should. Otherwise, she's doing the same thing he did to Lu -- pushing herself into a one-sided relationship.
Yay, Juan has Lisa's phone. It must've recorded DisGrace with Lisa, whether there's video or just audio.
I like Mig, but he's always so confident he can take care of himself, then getting his butt beat down. Why would he show up alone before Gut and his team?
Hmmm, can't argue with this either Kirby!
I have really tried to like Marta but like her less each passing day. She has been an excellent mother (second mother prior to Lisa's death) to Fernanda and Bobby. She has been an adequate mother to Leon.
Someone mentioned the other day that if they had been Marta, they would have left (with Leon) to be with her husband and daughter once they were deported. I have been thinking about it and I don't think anything would have kept me from doing just that. What's stopping me from really getting on the anti-Marta train is that I really like Cynthia Klitbo.
Diana
Agree with you, Urban, that Cesar looked suspicious! Thank goodness! I know a lot of us hope/believe he will be instrumental in outing this phony.
Interesting that when Dr. Anderson was talking to Grace and Lili he concluded that Luci must have helped David come out of his depression. When he said that, there was a clang of symbols. He followed it up with, ". . .these relationships usually don't last," but the symbols tell us were supposed to take note of that. Wouldn't it be refreshing if a crooked Dr. just couldn't go through with his plan, fessed up and said, "I'm outta here!" Anywho, if that happens it's not now cause that first session was brutal.
Another thing I noticed and think is a seed for later (much later) development is Fer looked surprised when David told her Luci had NOT told him about her relationship with Tano. I think I may go back and listen to her interaction with DisGraceful, Urban, after your description of it. I was just on bitch overload and FF>> through the whole convo!
Well, earlier I called Miguel an ass and he got it whipped just moments later! I still need to fuss about it: The nerve to have just literally left Erika's "charms," to aggressive grill Luciana, "Are you in love with him, did you kiss him?" A$$hole!
Carito, Miguel, DisGracie. . .if somebody don't want yo ass, they DONT WANT IT!! MOVE ON!! But then, if they took that advice, we'd have no show! That said, Miguel didn't deserve Lili's spewing lies about him to Adolfo. Glad that Erika and Luci stood up to their parents!
Marta belongs in the same chamber pot with Lilian and Graciela. Amen, tofie! I also agree that Marta doesn't like Luciana and there is clearly jealousy going on: "I didn't get to be wit Massa, and you don't either!"
Very impressed with the way Tano stood up to David, being calm and respectful in his responses. I hope David realizes Tano is a help, not a hindrance. YES, Diana! Tano really shone last night. Move him right up there with Cesar as one of the sensitive, brainy, and thus SEXY men in this show!
LISA'S PHONE!!!! We were right! We didn't realize, or at least I didn't, until the showdown with David that NoJuan was in love with Lisa. I'm sure this phone is a kind of sick erotic fetish but what else is there? Why else is he keeping it?
And finally (for now) I think Juan offered Adolfo some information that would assure that he won the wine competition. Dirty Dog!
After weeks of doldrums, this show is packin' it in!
I wonder what Perla will do if skidmark hurts Carito?
We have some nice inter-lacing of plot lines and intrigue going on here. I'm liking this show more and more!
Lisa probably didn't get her fight with Grace on her phone, because her phone's battery was supposedly depleted by the time she got to the river. However, it's possible that she recorded the argument with Juan before she took off. Not sure how much good that will do, though - David already knows that Juan was betraying him.
I don't remember who else participated in that fight. If Lilian was there, THAT would be something for David to hear that she was in on Juan's schemes.
IIRC Juan told Lisa that David was at the river knowing he WAS NOT THERE. I think he knew David was in town at a restaurant at a business meeting. Now I can't wait to get home to re-watch that portion of the episode.
If Lisa called David while she was in the vat room arguing with Lil, DisGrace and NoJuan and the phone went to message, it would have recorded her message to David and picked up the conversation that was going on right after that.
Ok. No need speculating. I'm gonna rewatch that portion of The Rock episode!
- Lisa overhears Juan, Lil, and DisGrace (DisGrace didn't know about the embezzlement at first, but is taunting Lisa about having David for herself.)
- Lisa has her cellphone out and says she's going to tell David about the buzzards around him and tells DisGrace to git out of her house.
- Lisa asks Juan where David is, and Juan says he's at the river. After Lisa leaves for the river, Lil asks Juan why he said that (David is not at the river) -- and Juan shrugs and says "I don't know." Apparently, Juan just said the first thing that rolled in his head. [Maybe Juan feels a weebit guilty about Lisa's murder since he sent her to the river?]
- Lisa's phone is in hand while she's running from the house, while driving the car, and while standing in the river. She tries to call David as she's standing in the river, but Marta had told him Lisa was running and looking distraught. Apparently David was calling Lisa at the exact time she was calling him. I think she got a busy signal or voice message. I was wrong -- Lisa did not leave a message for David.
- Disgrace reaches the river and the argument continues with Lisa still holding onto her phone. Disgrace bashes Lisa on the head. DisGrace watches her sister sink in the water and then runs away. We see the phone on the ground.
I think Juan sent Lisa to the river knowing Dave wasn't there so she wouldn't get to him with information about how they were screwing him. He wanted time for them to get to him first and snow him --- which they did a good job for years! He may feel guilty now, looking back but I feel he wanted to throw Lisa off David's trail. Of course nobody ever dreamed that DisGraceful would kill Lisa!
And this brings up a really important question: what exactly would be on Lisa's poor old Plot Phone? From the sound of that summary, the only time Lisa actually used it before Graciela ruined her day was immediately beforehand to try to call David. Did it somehow end up capturing some selfies of Graciela fleeing the scene after she clocked her sister and it had its own meeting with a rock, or did Lisa somehow end up recording their argument and her own murder?
We have about a foot of snow so far, and it is still snowing. All the local schools cancelled last night , and I am on spring break. Therefore, no where to go. All the locals have put their plows on their tractors and pickups. Our neighbor will not be plowing us out until tomorrow morning . Hubba just made us toast and eggs and coffee.
Last night, I was surfing between The Voice and Vino. When recovered Fern started screaming "Te odio" at Daddy, I had to surf out for a minute and go back to the singing and banter.. I do feel sorry for her that Martin Mull's evil twin is messing with her tiny teenage mind. Cesar definitely gave Evil Doc the stink eye. Cesar is the smart , stable voice in this dramalama (thanks, dy77 for my favorite new word.)
Okay, we have the cellphone. The other day on the news , they had a story about people supposedly clearing everything off their cellphones before donating them to Goodwill. However, that stuff is not really gone and can be retrieved. So, we will see exactly what is on that cellphone that is going to expose Disgraceful as the stone cold sister killer she is.
Okay, okay, Miguel has finally ticked me off. What nerve yelling at Luci about Dave right after putting his pants back on from that recent trip to San Francisco. Miguel to Erica: " Woweewow, that was great. Now, I have to go see LUCI." Really, dude?
However, Miguel did not deserve that beating , and he doesn't deserve to die.
Niecie, I agree that some people find each other when they are very young and stay together. Hubba and I met when we were teens and started dating ..still dating .
I also really enjoyed hearing that your parents and friends fell in love young and stayed in love. That is the real romance in life. Susanlynn, it's obvious in your postings you and Mr. Susanlynn are a long term real romance :)
It's amazing that we are at episode 92 and yet it's really only in the last few episodes that we've had any forward movement.
I'm still griping a bit this is so short on romance...
Diana
She would have told David immediately. Juan may have suggested murder but I'm sure Lili would not have gone along. Gracie? Guess we will never know.
Diana
How dare Fernanda tell her father that he’s a horrible father! She has no idea what a real horrible father is. Good fathers don’t let their kids get away with doing anything they darn well please. Bad fathers abandon their children, don’t support them and so on. And let’s not forget fathers who commit criminal acts on their children as well. Those are horrible fathers.
As for Miggy, he has absolutely no right to confront Luciana! How dare he, when he’s getting it on with Erica now. He wants to have his cake and eat it too.
Poor Carito. As much as I find her dislikeable, she doesn’t deserve to be tortured. I hope she gets away somehow.
It baby.
And why is mig getting all bent out of shape about Lucy and Davy after he's
Done the deed with lady ericka? He's
Always known there was something there
Between her and Davy. And then he just
Walks away,really mig? Just Get over yourself.
I'm amazed how easy doctor nutjob can
Manipulate the queen of tantrums.Got
Her thinking she wanted to offherself.
He doin what dumb & dumbstupider told
Him to do (discrazy&liltheshrill).mark
Is slime. Wouldn't be surprised if he did What hes probably famous for, rape before he kills her.
Miguel, in so much trouble. I hope he survives. What a mess.
I really hope Cesar looks into doctor
Nutjob.He's already thinkin somethings
Up with this guy. Keep watchin Cesar,
Cuz your friend Davy is batblind or worse. The little brat can't seem to think For herself.And ya know shes a lot like dear old dad. They yell at each other and don't listen to what the other one is saying.Well discrazy
Did say she would make his children hate him, she said that to lucy,I hope
She remembers that when the time comes
How's she gonna turn boobby,Lol, cuz that's what it sounds like their call in him. Ok thanks again Urban. :)
Dr Nutjob (Good one, Nina!) is clearly looking to bleed as much money as he can from the succubi, which may now be his only source of sporadic income. If nobody else does it then Cesar will be the one to check this creep's creds and find out whether his license has been yanked or he was hauled up before a review board. He has no business practicing medicine and what he is doing to FerBrat is going to mean years of therapy from someone who is ethical and competent.
She may be bipolar to begin with, which this will only make worse.
As to the ongoing theories about a future Maury Povich situation, we still don't have enough information about the alleged affair to come to a final conclusion: Whatever happened happened in Mexico.
-- Both Luciana and Leon were born there.
-- Luciana is not blood-related to David, which is the only important thing here.
-- I have repeatedly said that Leon looks far less like the child of Marta and Marcos than Luciana does but if either of them is actually Fernando's child it really doesn't matter which one. However, it would be the greatest slap in the face if Luciana were the one. That would send DisGrace straight to the loony bin (where she already belongs).
-- As for a man boinking or being married in turn to two sisters, we've than seen that one more than once before.
That said, if it was Leon...I'm kind of puzzled as to where that would take him. He's largely out of the migrant story at this point, and pretty much down to dating Sonia and occasionally counseling Tano; so what the heck would he do? Lock himself upstairs at the Servants' Luxury Townhouse and bitterly wreck his massive collection of romance novels?
1. Marta's level of unintentional-on-the-show's-part hypocrisy goes through the roof, and
2. Marcus possibly becomes even more sainted in hindsight.
Luciana is at least two years older than Leon. Both were born in Mexico. We are not sure how old they were when they crossed the border with their parents but I think it's a fair assumption that once they did that they didn't go back until Marcos and Luciana were deported. We don't know how long Marta and Marcos were married before Luciana was born but that would also not necessarily matter.
None of which necessarily means that either of Marta's children isn't Marcos'. All that has to happen is for David to marry Luciana and she is a member of the faaaaaaaaaaamily whether the succubi like it or not.
I was under the impression that NoJuan pretty much tapped DisGrace out this last goround when she at first refused to pay.
Kirby, I was thinking about Disgrace's money sitch too. She acted like it was a hardship to pay Juan the last bundle of blackmail money. And I haven't seen her paint anything lately. I don't know if Lil has any money at all; she seems to expect her daughter to pay for everything.
I don't think the doctor asked for any money up front. He might come to regret that.
As to Disgracie's cash flow, She has been very busy plotting and fuming lately , so I don't think she has been knocking off too many canvases! Plus, she was pretty rude and dismissive to Joselo, so she seems to have burned that bridge.
Lilian , like Blanche Dunois in Streetcar , seems to have always counted on the kindness of strangers or more exactly the largesse of her roped and tied son in !aw. Has Dave been giving Lilian an allowance ever since he married Lisa?
We almost never hear anything about what anything costs, but that's pretty normal for novelas. DisGrace probably cries poverty thinking that her beauty will get her off the hook. Since Lillian never does anything useful we can safely assume she is sponging off both DisGrace and David. Since DisGrace's income from her "art" isn't going to be steady like a corporate paycheck -- especially since she is prioritizing her obsession with David over her career -- that will have to be tapped out eventually.
And we haven't seen Joselo in a while. He still needs to realize what DisGrace really is. I'd advise him to get a crucifix, a wreath of garlic, and some holy water.
Before Dr Nut has gone too batshit crazy with his machinations with Dim Bulb and daughter he should notice the checks bouncing and confess. Or at least change his tune and stop what he has started to do.
"I'd advise him to get a crucifix, a wreath of garlic, and some holy water." and a concealed carry license just in case we are wrong.
I wonder if Carita has had some alone time to think about what a friend Perla is, or if she has been pretty 'busy'?
Has anyJuan EVER seen Miggy WIN a fight? Boy sure aint no stranger to an ass whippin.
Did Perla know it was Lisa's phone when she opened the box?
Dave would have to be crazy not to see through Dr Nutjob.
Peroxide is also used in Rocket Fuel. What will happen when DisGrace's head explodes over her newfound Sister Luci?
Are we're sure that Luciana is really Don Fernando's secret daughter ?
1. It looks she might get a smelly guy first, then
2. Nooo. that was just me wondering aloud with some help.
I'm fairly sure she had no idea it was Lisa's phone. She looked completely puzzled.
This was a critical find. She has no idea how critical.
Diana
OK, OK...I give him about half of those, but that still does not make him a rocket scientist.
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