Thursday, April 06, 2017
Vino el Amor #110 & 111; Wednesday April 5, 2017: Vino La Muerte para Mark!
Labels: vino
Body Count:
1.) Lisa Robles
2.) Marcos Munoz
3.) El Coyote
4.) Several of the immigrants being smuggled into the US
5.) Don Fernando the Player
6.) OJ Mark Evans: Good riddance.
Unless I forgot anyone else let me know.
"I am afraid you don’t know the difference between being grateful and falling for her temptations.”
Luciana is so desperate for attention it's proof of a love connection when a grown ass man plays hot potato with her and Graciela's tablet.
Okay, Luci, you can put yourself in Fer's shoes but please do not put yourself in Marta's shoes.
That showdown with Marked went down pretty fast. Meh.
I can forgive most of what has transpired in this TN. The writers sloppy, nonsensical plot lines, etc., etc. But there are a few things I cannot forgive. Cutting a Sonia and Leon scene? Never! The only glimpse we had of Sonia was part of her torso in one of the kitchen scenes. Nobody and I mean Nobody puts Sonia in a corner. To cut the most enjoyable, whimsical characters scene stealing shenanigans is unforgiveable.
And on the most confusing scene of the night - Marta appeared to be wearing a gray sweatshirt dress and high black heels. Que??
Some of us speculated early on that Brian might redeem himself by saving someone else. I did not see him saving Luci's life as even a remote possibility. After, watching him sweet talk Marta as she bestowed her "Moondoggie" eyes on him was just painful to watch. Does anyone remember "Two-Face" on Batman? As the character often did, the writers need to flip a coin and decide who and what Brian is...
And to see Ramon in the background, watching Brian getting a hero's greeting from Marta and Luci was wretched. While Marta's thanks to him was merited, I fervently hope that's all it is and that they do not start dating again.
Juan is as angry as Mark and frankly is as obsessed. Mark with Susan and Juan with revenge toward David. Juan is clearly more level headed than Mark but his confrontations with David are terse, but to me, fall rather flat.
When David and Luci had their "touching" scene together, it seemed as though the actress physically stepped back as soon as it was done (her back was to us). Not feeling it.
While I am sadly just continuing to lose interest in the show itself, the recappers and patio continue to be one of the highlights of the day.
Cynthia, thank you so much.
Diana
Diana
Did anyone else think that the "press conference" was a set-up for DisGrace to make the press believe she was about to marry David? He certainly saw it that way. Those flowers on the tables could have been reception centerpieces. This was particularly egregious in view of DisGrace's own mother greeting the press and introducing her. Can't wait to see what they write in the paper.... that is, if any of the journalists in the room think it's at all important enough.
I knew they would cut the handcuff scene. Shame on you, Univision! That was needed comic relief and very well done by all three actors.
The SkidMark has finally been rubbed out; congratulations to Brian for that. This should be a tremendous relief to both Susan and Carito. I wonder whether Juan has even thought about the financial consequences for himself:
-- If Susan's divorce was never finalized she now owns everything that is documented in Mark's name. While her knee-jerk reaction will be to give it all up I hope Cesar convinces her not to because she can help ruin Juan's plans. She can refuse to sell the 20 or 25% of Juan's olive grove until he puts back the irrigation pipes. She could also demand more money for it that Juan doesn't have.
-- If there is any other money in Mark's name she will need to investigate where it came from. If it was obtained through criminal means I think it may be subject to confiscation by the state. If not she can put it into the foundation, which will royally annoy Lillian.
With the events playing out as they did it does seem that Mark's death was unspectacular and even early in the game. However, it was necessary to mend fences between Brian and David because David still suspects Juan of ruining the wine. Juan was the one with the motive and he is the connexion to Mark. There is a paper trail that has the delivery of the acid to the bodega where the first immigrants were warehoused.
Carito is still an idiot for not outing Juan. Perla is still an idiot for being with him. However, her rant at him for setting up Mark was on the money. This is the first real truth she has arrived at about him.
Did anyone notice that nice grey dress and the heels Marta was wearing in the later scenes? That is the set-up for her to finally have a love life and to become David's next suegra.
More later; I need caffeine.
I am glad they are upping Marta's fashion game.
I am sad they cut Leon/Sonia. Would gladly have traded Cesar's lame proposal for that handcuff scene. And I wish Uni, if it must cut, would cut a little more smoothly. The cuts are so freaking choppy.
What a Crock of Shit. Mark is DEAD? Wonder-frickin-ful, so he alone , being dead, is blamed for the wine sabotaqe AND all the illegals? Ducky. Now NoJuan gets a pass on that and keeps the money as a consolation prize?
Snails are smarter than Marta. She is on team Grace now.
Cesar, you are waaaay too nice. "I am just not ready." Translation, I might go back to my abusive husband (which I actually kinda like---I married him you know), or Tano, yum, so forget this marriage crap. So Cesar bang it like it is the last you will ever get, then dump her before she shitcans you.
RATS, I missed Sonia in the 'Cozy Cuffs'? Told ya she is a little on the freaky side.
An example is Irina everyday, then when she was dolled up for the first wine hoohah when she was locked ourt. Face alone, you would not think it was the same girl.
There were other missing scenes in this, ones not as important as what was mentioned except for Tano and Ramon talking about Ramon's love life. We know he's had a thing for Marta for years and that Marta was probably a maternal substitute for Ramon's ex and the only mother figure in Tano's life.
It looks like the writers want us to keep guessing whom Marta ends up with. My guess is that Ramon will get her because she is likely to get angry with Brian all over again when it comes out that Lillian was the instigator of the deportation.
Kirby, I sometimes wonder at Televisa's makeup department. They seem to work miracles on some actresses. Maybe it's witchcraft? ;)
As you and dy both appeared to like Marta's dress (which I called a sweatshirt), could it possibly be I am not the fashionista I think I am?! :)
Devastated Diana
For those of you who are really interested in their storyline, you can search for their scenes on Youtube... Most of them are certainly uploaded there, the handcuff scene included.
El rock, la roca?
As a native speaker of English I have to admit that I don't get nominative gender at all.
Kudos to Gut for marksmanship. I do not believe NoJuan would have even hit Skid(downthevat) in a similar situation. Gut was dead on the money. I was actually surprised it didn't come out the back and get the wine vat, as once through the forehead, there would not appear to be much to slow it down. Gut's good with a Sig Sauer. It looked like NoJuan had a little plastic Glock.
BTW Steve, did you add David's nuts to your dead pool? Oops oh, only for characters. OK.
Gracias, de verdad!
Lila
Aw Man, Sonia with those cozy cuffs and those looong legs from Heaven to Earth, yowie Leon, next time get a ROOM.
The Witless Protection Program needs to relocate Luci and give her a life, as she has not noticed that she needs to just leave. Love is grand, but Mohammed could not move that mountain either. What Luci is doing is like trying to eradicate a Fireant colony stabbing them with a toothpick. You're gonna have a few bites girl.
...with all that metal in the place Juan's bullet would ricochet off everything and probably end up hitting him. That's a Karmageddon I could support. ;)
Diana, Marta's dress was quite flattering. It looks like a soft knit, slightly tapered, and the right length for any woman. The lowered cowl neckline looks good on her and not confining. Much better than the Edwardian Schoolmistress look Susan wore at the competition. That was too much at variance with Luciana's sexy red dress.
I'm forking amazed that the editors we love to hate have cut two instances now of couples getting intimate, let alone one of them being Best Couple Leon and Sonia. Since a typical ultimas semanas period runs 4-8 weeks and, last I knew, Uni hasn't even started pimping whatever show's replacing VEA yet, why in the world are they skipping things we would actually want to see when in theory they've got the time to run it?
OTOH, Pigpen got clipped. That offsets almost all the other insanity in this episode (Lilian's giant cloth flower was beyond help, though at least that was counterbalanced by her latest reading choice: How To Be Rich). That said, I'm actually going to give a tiny bit of credit to Juan Carlos Serrano (Mark); he had a pretty thankless role, even without the accidentally Eurotrash-action-movie-villain English accent--perhaps the most thankless next to, what, Perla?--and he did a good job with it. That said, getting rid of him really just ties up Susan's story; now everything left shifts to Juan, who presumably has to go down before Show gets to the Big Bad: Graciela.
By extension, though...if Juan was setting up Mark to get busted on-site by Magic Brian (and was there a previous cut scene setting that up?), why was he packing his gun?
And, chiming in on Marta Fashion Watch as she continues to get some: I said a while back Cynthia Klitbo was slowly moving towards "less frumpy, more foxy," and last night's dress and makeup and sensible but pretty heels (let alone it being her second, or technically I guess fourth, episode without any appearance of the #wheelchockclogs) definitely confirms it. The question is why it took 100+ episodes to get there; then again, since this seems to roughly parallel Azela Robinson's gentler makeup changes, I guess it's telegraphing the inevitable reversal of fortunes? Marta finally finds happiness again, while Lilian's plans blow up in her face (and since Lilian has one really big karma moment coming, I guess it's to help her look a teensy bit sympathetic when it hits)?
I like your reversal of fortune comment Bill. I would be very comfortable with Lili being out on the street (literally), penniless.
I feel that if in the same situation, Graciela would get up, dust herself off and get on with it. That is why I suspect her ending will be far more painful. Somehow she will either lose her looks or be locked away where they will be far more of a liability than an asset.
Lisa, thanks for the heads up. I will look for the Sonia/Leon handcuff scene elsewhere.
Diana
This new hero Brian was just doing his job and if anyone Luciana the hero saving Susan's life and opportunistic enough to overcome her fear and twist out of Mark's grasp. This is the same sheriff that illegally arrested and held Ramon overnight and is blind to Juan's involvement in anything.
Urban, I also got weird vibes from that odd press conference. That huge floral display looked like an austentatious floral arrangement for the head table at a wedding reception. And Grace's comments to the press were meant to suggest that she and DAve were a couple and that she was retiring to devote herself to "their" fammmiiilllyy
Bill...WHat was up with that huge purple fabric flower on LIlian's chest?
There also has to be evidence of that involvement somewhere, so Carito will go down for perjury.
Bill, Juan had the pistol in the event of need if his meeting with Mark went south. I don't think he expected to use it unless Mark drew a gun first because this is the US and a gunshot sound will draw attention and the police. His digs look more like an apartment than a house so somebody would hear this. I don't think he was expecting Brian and his team to arrive first, as Mark's detour to David's winery was not anticipated by Juan.
The press conference was a thing of fantasy. Even if Grace is the most famous painter in the world (she'd have to be), no way would she get that big of a crowd. Am I wrong? "She says she can always recover her career" right, plenty of time for that in prison.
"DisGrace says she is going to take Bobby to donate to the immigrants" Hey, that's mean. If she's going to donate one of the kids, she should donate Fernanda! (just kidding)
I can't believe (yes I can) that Uni deprived us of good Sonia/Leon stuff.
I found Mark's death anticlimactic, maybe because I was never very interested in the character anyway. I just thought maybe his death could have been more interesting. The only interesting thing about this is that Juan now thinks he's totally off the hook. We'll see about that.
Susan and Cesar... ahh... if he still needs someone to redecorate, I'm still available. Or is Susan planning to stay with Cesar? Hey, why buy the bull when you can get the mierda for free, am I right?
"Perla says that’s not true and that all that he’s done, he’s really did it for himself" hmm, where are we going with this? Is she going to dump him before it's too late? Will she talk to the police?
Urban: Yes, I thought the press conference looked like a setup to start some buzz about at least a romance between Grace and David. I watched his face change when she was kissing his cheek. It went from bland smile to "wait, what's happening here?" The floral arrangements were GORGEOUS, and totally weird for a press conference, but not weird for, say, an engagement announcement.
You might be right about the reason for the teeny-tiny scenes, although those are Televisa's choice and I thought Televisa didn't approve of Univision's editing. However, it's probably easier to shoot three brief scenes than one long one, especially when things are done on a tight schedule and actors don't have much time to learn their lines.
Televisa puts on the makeup really, really thick. I think they pretty much blank out a woman's face and paint on a new one.
As for German, I had two years of it in college (not even in a row) and I have retained none of it except for a tiny bit of vocabulary - mostly Kraftwerk song titles, honestly. I found the grammar extremely confusing. Of all my academic misadventures, studying German was the least rewarding.
Kirby - There might be evidence of Juan's involvement in Mark's misdeeds on Mark's phone. Especially if he still has Perla's phone (which she should have cancelled as soon as she knew he had it). Oh, and don't mention fire ants. My feet had a real talent for cluelessly stepping on fire ant mounds. That's actually why I ended up getting a cell phone. (I had to use a pay phone, under which was a fire ant mound, and I couldn't get far enough away from it because I was on a call with a tow truck guy or something and it was my last quarter.)
And I'd still love to see Juan shoot himself by mistake, because he thinks he's soooo smart.
I wonder whether she will look at Lisa's cell phone again and recognize it. We don't know whether it has anything on it that will incriminate DisGrace, but the dominoes could fall if Perla rats out Juan because he could then rat out DisGrace and Lillian.
As to an earlier point about the value of DisGrace's non-art, I wonder what happened to the value of anything painted by John Wayne Gacy after his arrest and execution.
I've also wondered if that could have been someone else's phone (because I am always hoping in vain for a clever twist), but I don't know who else's phone it could be that wouldn't be more of a problem for Juan than for Grace.
The mere fact that Juan has Lisa's phone, assuming it is her phone, could get him in trouble for withholding evidence of a crime. So whatever is on there has to be REALLY good to be worth that risk.
Okay, off in the pouring rain to teach a chapter on the three kinds of loneliness...Sigh...I am going to need some cheering up when I get home. I may be doing some OT on my new favorite hero to raise my spirits. Get the DOritos ready. Save me a chair outside the vice principal's office. Peace..Out.
You can easily find samples on Google (they look like acrylics), and even if they had been painted by a nice person I wouldn't pay $200 for any of them. Grace's subject matter is somewhat blander (not so many clowns), but her work shows much more skill. Perfect for, say, a dentist's waiting room.
DisGrace and her "press conference" was disgraceful. Her attempt and lassoing David in by making it look like he was the man she was about to marry was terrible. It looked more like an engagement announcement rather than a simple retirement announcement. She was definitely trying to stage a "happy family" scene with David as her hero and "a man every woman would love to be with."
You know, there are plenty of poor and starving artists in San Francisco right now who are desperate to sell their paintings and become popular. What is it about DisGrace that makes her art so popular and why did she make so much money at it? Most artists don't get famous until they are much older or dead! To have the press there for a press conference for DisGrace must put her up in the "rich and famous" category and she can buy her own mansion. But no.....she leeches off of David along with her mother. I am sure neither of them is paying rent there or paying for their "keep".
The art world is one of those businesses that is rapidly changing due to the internet and young artists are benefitting from it. This doesn't make their work any better and it certainly doesn't make it more profound. It does make it cheaper, just as ebay has changed the world of auctions.
DisGrace is at the upper end of a generation that values nothing older than itself. They don't have the kind of money that buys art of any substance, so they pay lesser amounts for what they can afford and what they think they can relate to.
Coolidge is dead, of course. When Grace is dead (maybe in a few weeks), no one will be asking for "Bare Foot in Midair." They will ask, "where's the Gacy stuff?"
A former boss of mine is (or was) in a relationship with a man who was writing a book on serial killers. He interviewed Gacy several times in the last weeks of his life, the last time in person. Gacy did a painting of the couple. My boss was too creeped out by it to hang it in his home. It was less about what it looked like than who had painted it. I suggested that he leave it in the back of a closet until he could decide what to do with it and who knows? It could be worth something some day. I have no update on this.
1. The cellphone might have a list of calls made right before she died, and Grace's phone number could be on that list.
2. Grace's fingerprints could be on the cellphone.
3. Or, improbably Lisa, right before she died and while struggling with her sister, had the foresight to pull her cellphone out and start a recorder app, so that the whole struggle would be recorded.
But the phone itself could have perhaps just a snapshot of Grace at the river. A phone with a dying battery might have enough juice to take one picture. Or a very brief audio recording might not require much power. Either one, however small, would pose a serious problem for Grace if the timestamp was just a few minutes before David found Lisa dead.
Finally SkidMark has been dealt with. I was really tired of his "c'mon baby...pleeze baby"
I just hope we aren't going to be subjected to Soo-sun crying now over this.
I guess it's too much to hope that after this Dudveed will have an epiphany that he needs to just say the hell with it all and announce that he is going to be with Luciana and if folks have a problem with it, too bad. It's time he nut up and start being the MAN of the house and tell folks how it's going to be. He's letting that band of hyena's run all over him..including his selfish bratty me..me..me daughter. I don't feel sorry for her and never have. DG can't be blamed for all of her woes...FerDemanda was a selfish brat before DG got a ahold of her.
When are PerlJam and NoJuan going to die? They bore me so much. Skidmark was never more exciting then in his last scene with that hole in head up against the wall.
I really resent that two characters I don't care about have had more intimacy then the two I do care about.
Speaking of what is up with Smug and Erica? All their lovey dovey and talk of family, eternal love and being saved by the other. Shouldn't that have been for the main couple?
The writers are confused on who the main couple is...or maybe it's me.
Can Luciana and DudVeed ever just have scenes that are completely and utterly alone without interruptions from DisGROSSiela?! Let our couple have some damn passion and moments of intimacy! If I didn't know any better I would think the writers are more team DG and Dudveed.
I really resent the writers so much. There was so much potential for Luciana/DudVeed.
But I agree with you, Delilah. What is the point in having a main couple if this is how it's going to be?
Fireants are the insect world's DisGracie. I sprayed those little demons with Oven Cleaner, which was all I could reach, and the next day they had set up shop TWO feet away.
DisGrace x 10,000
Julie..apologies to Adolfo...I just can't. Maybe Ramon. Then, again..also ..no.
Perla could try, even if she was angry or afraid enough to do it, she just does not have the cerebral horsepower to do so She's a life support system for a pair of panties. and doesn't seem adept at much else.
Gracie with a Dorian Grey painting... shudder... now there is something I would not want to find in my closet.
If Perla wants to dump Juan (a big if), she will probably go running to Carito, who might be able to convince her to do the right thing. However, in spite of her little remark to Juan last night, I can't imagine Perla leaving him. She likes being comfortable and she's always believed that Juan was her ticket to the good life. I can't imagine her mustering the courage or even the motivation to inconvenience herself that way.
On the other hand, she was looking for a job. So maybe she's thinking about making a change.
Mark didn't trust Juan. I'm sure he did everything he could to make sure he had some "insurance" to take Juan with him. Again, that insurance (like a recorded conversation) could be on Mark's/Perla's phone.
Really, cell phones take all the fun and security out of crime. (Except where they create new ways to commit crimes.)
Hey, here,'s an idea. Instead, of dragging tge story out intobso many episodes and then editing the blue blazes out of episodes at the end , why not make FEWER episodes? DUH.
Here is an even better idea, I could be wasting my time watching "A Christmas Story", instead of exercising my fertile imagination to depletion on these Nimrods.
But there would not be Retirement parties, Patios and Doritos.
: -) Woof
I admit it is Ultimas Semanas or soon to be and we have waaaay too many people still alive. Actually almost all them except for BooBee and Tano, come to think of it.
Lillian----------Saute'
Marta----------Bar-B-Que
Dumvid-------Med Rare
FerBrat--------CharBroiled
Graciella-------Don't send her down there it would be a homecoming.
Um......Correct me if I am being overly cautious on Erotika's behalf, but if you have a debilitating illness which causes you to be on first names with the paramedics, should you be getting all pregamalated?
We are programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'
They stab it with their steely knives,
But they just can't kill the beast
So I called up the Captain,
'Please bring me my wine'
Said Lillian
Ding dong, skidmark is gone! At least now it looks like Carito will be okay.
Regarding Erica's sudden announcement to Miguel that she wants to start a family, maybe she had a premonition that she will die and wants to leave behind a grand baby for Adolfo. Maybe she just wants to nail Miguel down because Luci is still buzzing around.
I think either of your theories for Erica are plausible, Susanlynn. Of course, if the baby ends up being the reason Erika dies, then maybe that wasn't such a great plan on her part.
DisGrace thinks she will wear David down, but if she does it will be a pyrrhic victory. She won't be happy at all and will have destroyed everything. But since so many of you think David is an idiot I suppose that idea has some fans.
I am disappointed that David makes so many wrong choices. I don't want to think he's an idiot, and I don't understand why he was written that way. It's unnecessary. He can get into plenty of trouble even when he makes the right choices, if his opponent is wiley enough - and Grace is. It would be easier to admire him and to root for him if we thought he was reacting appropriately.
I look forward to Grace's downfall. Whatever happens to her, it may well be something she does to herself (like freaking out over Lisa's phone as Urban suggested). If she is taken down by other people, I hope it is a combined effort and I REALLY hope Fernanda has a hand in it somehow.
OTOH, I saw a few Star Trek episodes with that numbers girl where there was something that passed for emotion.
They called her 7of11...No no it was 6 of nine. Yeah just looked it up.
DisGrace is far more evil than Lillian, but my money is on Lillian because evil is only part of the equation. I think Lillian is a far more effective implementer.
A big gun with poor aim vs a smaller weapon in the hands of someone skilled.
just saying
Nett
The bullet did not exit Mark's head because of its great density. Just solid bone all the way through except for a tiny core of Silly Putty.
I don't want guns used against Grace. It's too quick. If all she ever did was kill her sister, that would be bad enough; but what she's doing to Fernanda puts her into a whole different category.
Currently Gutierrez has no evidence against Juan, so he can't do anything. However, for all we know, he might have suspicions, and those suspicions might be confirmed if someone will look through Mark's belongings. (Susan would probably rather set fire to them.)
Did anyone else notice the yelling at Mark was in Spanish? Dave tried a few phrases in English, but most of the pleading and screaming was in Spanish. Oh, Brian spoke English, he was the Skidmark Whisperer .
I've come up with a good ending for DisCrazy. She starts painting again with some highly flammable paints. Just then her Samsung device has an incoming face-time call. She puts it up to her face, and ba-bam! Up in flames goes her hair and her makeup.
L. Linda
Kinda comical recap. That game of"pass
Me the tablet so I can pass itto David so he can pass to me, to pass it back to you", how much fun was that yall?
Disgrace is an airhead.First class. It
Seems that Dave might be growin a back
Bone.Keep it up dave you're not guite
There yet. I like to see him and lucy
Do the forehead thing. I can't see him
Doing that with dimbulb gracie. Lilly
And Gracie are like the winecountry #1
Comedy hour team. Pathetic.
SusyQ is projecting her relationship with markedup on to her relationship with Hoty Cesar.She should really stop it.
All men are not psycho socielpathic sickos like Mark. Some people don't do
The marriage license thing but these 2
I Think they will. Once she's stopped the Shaking and trembling.But We shall see.
That episode with Mark doin the crazy
And getting a"bullet to the head" was
Eh.
That is an UGLY painting on juanswall
What is it about? The lips match his.I
Know nothing of art,but I've seen some better. Maybe if I understood it. No I
Am not a fan.
Come episode 112.
Good recap Cynthia,you made it bearable girl. Thank you.
Juls-where did you see the "Foot"ish painting? Lol.
But I do like it.
Something which DISfigures DisGrace for life, as she seems to believe her looks are her strong suite.
" So who are the writers? In addition to having all failed their SATs, are they all single or divorced?"
they would have to be a LOTS better at Something than they are at writing TNs or I can see them alone.
Nina, the foot painting was in an early episode, I think after Luciana returned to the vineyard but before Gracie did.
I had a Sonoma chardonnay with my dinner. I don't like chardonnay much, but it was the only Sonoma wine they had. It was Chalk Hill or Chalk Canyon or some chalky thing. It wasn't bad.
About the anti-marriage thing, remember in TVA that AnaLu and Santi didn't get married either. That's because AnaLet was still alive, of course, but if this had been five years ago I'll bet you anything they would have killed AnaLet off and made a big deal with a double-wedding.
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